May 27, 2008
Posted: 10:25 AM ET

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Both Clinton and Obama supporters are planning to protest outside Saturday's RBC meeting in Washington.
Both Clinton and Obama supporters are planning to protest outside Saturday's RBC meeting in Washington.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Supporters of Barack Obama’s presidential bid are planning to demonstrate outside the Saturday meeting in Washington where Democratic officials are slated to debate the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegations at the party’s summer convention.

The move comes days after backers of Hillary Clinton’s White House run announced plans to converge on the Washington, D.C. hotel where members of the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee are meeting.

“Hillary Clinton's supporters are going to be bussing in protestors for the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, so it's critical that we show up for the counter-protest,” wrote on organizer in a post on the Daily Kos Web site Tuesday morning.

Last week, the pro-Clinton Committee to Count Every Vote said it was organizing a day-long May 31 rally outside the RBC meeting.

“Our purpose is not to divide the party or attack the DNC or Senator Obama. Michigan and Florida, however, in addition to Hillary's strong support nationwide, cannot and must not be dismissed in DNC efforts to unify the party.”

The group said it was organizing buses to carry protestors to the meeting site, and could offer some overnight housing for those who could not afford to pay for accommodations.

Earlier this month, Clinton told a group of bloggers who support her candidacy that she encouraged efforts to lobby the committee.

“I thank you for zeroing in on the May 31 meeting. There will be a lot of activity around that meeting,” she said on a conference call, adding that it was “important your voices are heard” by DNC members.

A limited number of seats inside Saturday’s meeting were scheduled to be made available by the DNC at 10 a.m. ET Tuesday – but as of 10 minutes after the hour, all those seats had been claimed. Limited same-day registration will be available as space permits, according to the party’s Web site.

Those who make it inside will have to abide by strict guidelines banning “banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind” – and they won’t have a chance to weigh in, since there is no allowance for public comment.

Clinton’s campaign has pushed for both the Florida and Michigan delegations to be seated in full in accordance with the results of their January primaries, which were not sanctioned by the DNC because they were scheduled early in defiance of party instructions. Clinton was the only major candidate to appear on the ballot in Michigan, and won both contests.

The DNC, state Democratic parties and both presidential campaigns have said that they are eager for a compromise that would allow both Florida and Michigan to send delegations to the party’s nominating convention in Denver – but all sides stress that the solution would have to be acceptable to both campaigns.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod signaled in an interview last week that the Illinois senator might be willing to consider a compromise that would give a slight advantage to Clinton.

Filed under: Barack Obama • Florida • Hillary Clinton • Michigan


Ann   May 27th, 2008 10:55 am ET

Couple of my friends are Clinton supporters, they have to support her , to push her to stay in the race, because they put the bet on her, if Clinton lose, they will lost their bet, their money.

Cynthia   May 27th, 2008 10:56 am ET

Plain and simple - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Think   May 27th, 2008 10:57 am ET

Lets be clear on one thing. Obama did not cause this mess with FL and MI. Ms. Clinton and her "It's all about me" syndrome is at it again. She is creating so much friction and making it seem like she deserves their votes now, EVEN THOUGH SHE DISCOUNTED THEM BEFORE. Her conniving tactics disgust me. THINK.

Karen from Charlottesville   May 27th, 2008 10:57 am ET

I'll be there. I want to see Terry McAuliffe lie in person.

SlimSista   May 27th, 2008 10:57 am ET

IT'S A GOOD THING…WE DO NOT NEET HILLARY STEALING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!

SHE AGREED TO NOT COUNT FL & MI, NOW THAT SHE IS LOSING IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY…OBAMA IS LEADING ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM…..

PLEASE DNC, TAKE HRC OUT OF HER MISERY…

OBAMA '08

Independent for Obama   May 27th, 2008 10:57 am ET

Good. Both sides want a fair and just resolution, and both sides deserve one. While the Clinton and Obama camps differ on what the resolution will be - both camps should feel that they have had their say.

BITTER   May 27th, 2008 10:58 am ET

Should the DNC change the rules in the 4th quarter, HILLARY STILL LOSES.

Say it Hillary lovers: President Barack Obama!

i am not dump   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

hillary signed to not campain in fl and mi. she is the dishonest candidate that I ve ever seen.

Susan   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

Obama's supporters & campaign are afraid that Florida & Michigan may get to vote.

What does this say about them?

We strongely feel Florida & Michigan should be able to vote. It is only fair to the people of these states.

LET FLORIDA & MICHIGAN VOTE!!!!

lol   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

obama should get the magic number of delegates needed to win. the magic number will go up once FL and MI are seated. the rules don't say who has more delegates. the superdelegates factor in who can beat john mccain. hillary has more electoral votes than mccain, and obama. she will have more of the popular vote. obama can't even beat hillary, he'll never beat mccain. hillary 08!

Cammi317   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

Did anyone watch Recount this weekend? LOL. Sounds like another great movie in the making.

Obama 08

People are you listening   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

The will of the people, The will of the people, the will of the people, nope. the will of Hillary. How is it the will of the people when so many were told their votes would not count. And other were not given the chance to vote for their candidate. Because it is not fairness that counts is Hillariness.

Mary Sue   May 27th, 2008 10:59 am ET

I will be in the area on Saturday, so I guess the time has come for me to stand up for Democracy by lying down in the street for the cause of fairness. The DNC must stop letting Hillary move the goal posts on Obama. He's followed the rules, and the DNC should not entertain any more of the Clinton spin.

The party is already hopelessly divided. Enough is enough. This primary season needs to end.

enoch needles   May 27th, 2008 11:00 am ET

“Our purpose is not to divide the party or attack the DNC or Senator Obama"

How can they keep a straight face while saying that?

Seriously.

Bob Texas   May 27th, 2008 11:00 am ET

When will the Hillary supporters unite behind Obama? This race is really destroying the Democratic Party. Hillary and her supporters are just what we do not need! They will stop at nothing to win. If by some miracle they did win now who would support them? Certainly not me!!

paul   May 27th, 2008 11:00 am ET

They should have a protest in front of Supreme Court, on one is above the law, Clinton scandal should not be allowed to escape US justice.

No Way   May 27th, 2008 11:00 am ET

Please let's just end this. Will this drag out until January when President McCain is being sworn into office? End this before that happens.

taylor richmond virginia   May 27th, 2008 11:00 am ET

its over. the fat lady has sung. Elvis has left the building. etc. etc. etc.
My advice to both sides is to stay home and not waste gas.

Kenneth M   May 27th, 2008 11:02 am ET

I would love to be there. Does anyone know what hotel this will take place in?

John from Orlando   May 27th, 2008 11:02 am ET

Howcome if hillary is sdo much for the blue collar worker she doesn't want to count OUR vote in Florida? I am not a wealthy person who owns a house in Orlando, I rent because I cannot afford $200000 for a house. I did not vote because there was no reason for me to go out, the Democratic Primary was not supposed to count (or so I was told) and I could care less if the wealthy have to pay more in property taxes so I sytayed home/. I support Barack as do a lot of my friends, but because we are not rich and do not own a house we are told we should be disenfrancised how unfair and WRONG! If I had known the rules were going to change me and my buddies would have gone out and voted for Barack and HE would have the populkar vote in FL!! COUNT MY VOTE TO NOT JUST THE WEALTHY OF FLORIDA!

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!

James   May 27th, 2008 11:02 am ET

WHAT ARE THEY DOING? Do the Democrats want to create their own little Florida-2000, with all the bitterness that brings?

EC   May 27th, 2008 11:02 am ET

THAT'S RIGHT…. if Sen. Clinton sits by and allows her own supporters to carry on in such a dishonorable manner THEN let the battle begin.

It's so clear that the Sen. Clinton plays the "victim" so well by allowing her goonies to do her dirty work for her. Her supporters continue to become more and more like Republicans in their outright bitterness and simple-minded hatred.

Sen. Clinton talks about "uniting" the party, but her actions speak another message. WIN at ALL COST!!! They say "actions speak louder than words"….and her supporters are truly acting out in full spectrum.

Sen. Clinton and Bill Clinton have the never to talk about being "disrespected". They have been nothing but disrespectful themselves by trying to bully and cheat their way at every turn.

AND you wonder why she's LOSING big time.

Shameful.

Chalice Davenport   May 27th, 2008 11:03 am ET

Great example for our children. Rules don't matter, just violate them. Why abide by any rules or laws? Just let criminals, liars and thieves free.

Kuilor2k   May 27th, 2008 11:03 am ET

Foolish people doing foolish things. The more the Obama camp tries to disenfranchise these two 'bit states' the faster they guarantee themselves defeat in November.

Marta K-Florida   May 27th, 2008 11:03 am ET

We are? That's not the word coming down from our team leaders. We've been instructed to behave as Obama has throughout this campaign, with the utmost character and respect for the proceedings. I think you mean the harpy-brigade in support of Hillary. There are news articles everywhere about their plans to attend and whine as loud as possible. They were even instructed by the campaign to flood the ticket requests for the hearings to try to keep Obama supporters out.

EC   May 27th, 2008 11:03 am ET

THAT'S RIGHT…. if Sen. Clinton sits by and allows her own supporters to carry on in such a dishonorable manner THEN let the battle begin.

It's so clear that the Sen. Clinton plays the "victim" so well by allowing her goonies to do her dirty work for her. Her supporters continue to become more and more like Republicans in their outright bitterness and simple-minded hatred.

Sen. Clinton talks about "uniting" the party, but her actions speak another message. WIN at ALL COST!!! They say "actions speak louder than words"….and her supporters are truly acting out in full spectrum.

Sen. Clinton and Bill Clinton have the NERVE to talk about being "disrespected". They have been nothing but disrespectful themselves by trying to bully and cheat their way at every turn.

AND you wonder why she's LOSING big time.

Shameful.

Christi-CA   May 27th, 2008 11:04 am ET

The rules are the rules. If the dems of those states wanted to make sure the voters were franchised they would have done so before the primary started.

sherrie50   May 27th, 2008 11:04 am ET

That's not surprising for Obama's supporters. After reading blogs for months, I conclude that they are the meanest group of people that I have had contact with. As a result, I will not give my vote to a candidate that garners such hate and evilness. I rather stand on principle and not vote.

SHIRLEY-OHIO   May 27th, 2008 11:04 am ET

Do what you feel you need to do but this race is over.

Catherine   May 27th, 2008 11:04 am ET

I am suffering from CFS (Clinton Fatigue Syndrome.) While I would have voted for either candidate, recent rhetoric by both Clintons has left me disappointed and tired. Their recent arguments have no legitimate basis and the question becomes what are they really trying to accomplish? What is their true endgame?

BTW for those who say Hillary Clinton has been treated with disrespect, I beg to differ. She and Bill have been treated with great respect. At one time they deserved that respect. Recently, though, I personally have found that their behavior has caused me to lose respect for them. And that, for me, is sad.

NoMcSame   May 27th, 2008 11:05 am ET

Lock it up and toss the key so that Billary can't get in. No Clinton for VP we need an attack dog like Sen.Biden to chew them up and spit them out. He is a good man and has been around for a while and he knows all of the games that they will try to play.
Billary is toast. Obama can win without her. They can say what they want but a vote for McSame As Bush is a vote for the same as Bush and right thinking people don't want that. You got to be into S&M to vote for McSame.
America is about to get on track and once again take the lead in the world not the Bush/McSame way using force but by doing what is right to get our great name back.
Obama/Biden08

dan FL voter   May 27th, 2008 11:05 am ET

YES.COUNT ALL VOTES..
50 states in the union.
IF MY FL VOTE DOES NOT COUNT.
I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
NEVER OBAMA ..AND HIS VP REV WRIGHT.

nannie bouroughs, Kenosha, WI   May 27th, 2008 11:05 am ET

In 1952,1956,1972,1988,2000,2004 and now 2008 will the Democratic Party never learn….

Obama loses for the Democratic Party again!

And WHO said the Democratic Party was DEMOCRATIC?

Ann   May 27th, 2008 11:05 am ET

Couple of my friends are Clinton supporters, they have to support her , to push her stay in the race, because they put the bet on her, if Clinton lose, they will lost their bet, their money

Crystal Clear   May 27th, 2008 11:05 am ET

Please Mr. Obama, please don't compromise and give her a slight advantage. Don't give her any advantage. You're in it to win it, not to give it away.

Stay true to your supporters
Stay true to yourself.

Axelrod Strikes Again!   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

This campaign is not about Obama — it's about Axelrod, who has done it all! Every opinion Obama expresses is orchestrated by Axelrod — that's why you'll rarely see Obama say anything substantive off-the-cuff . The "Obama Phenomenon" is a carefully crafted public relations event — and it started long go.

DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT - IT'S NOT HARD TO COME BY:

Example: For four years Axelrod had camera crews tracking virtually everything Obama has done in public — chatting up World War II vets in southern IL, visiting his father’s ancestral village in Kenya — and often camera crews outnumbered the civilians. He found a grainy, C-Span-style shot of Obama talking about homelessness on the floor of the IL state Senate, which he quickly used to establish Obama’s prior political experience.

Before that, Axelrod was mostly visible in Chicago the last decade as Mayor Daley’s public relations strategist — the guy who goes on TV to defend Daley from charges of corruption.

Axelrod also operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies. This company discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to shift public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be “top secret.”

So when you vote for Obama, you'll really be voting for Axelrod. Good Luck!

mike   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

They should have a protest in front of supreme court, on one is above the law, Clinton scandel should not be allowed to escape US justice

Silence Dogood   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

Remember this is how the 1968 DNC shaped up. The leading candidate takes the nomination. The DNC blows off legitimate concerns of a large portion of it's members. There are riots in the street. The DNC plows ahead.

And because of the huge division in the party and putting up an empty suit as a candidate, opponent Richard Nixon won by a landslide. And kept us at war.

The DNC is about to blow it again. Of course cult members rarely read history. It would destroy the illusion.

Ilona Proud Canadian   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

YES YOU CAN!

YES YOU CAN!

YES YOU CAN!

Please Barack Supporters, get out there and show YOUR support for Barack. I just bet that Hillary never counted on a Counter Protest!

I wish that I could be there, but failing that, I want to support all Barack Supporters, just get out there in HUGE, HUGE, HUUUUUUUUUUGE
NUMBERS. But keep it from getting tacky, Barack would not like that..

GO GUYS, GO!

H   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THE HATE AND BIAS OBAMA, THE MEDIA AND HIS SUPPORTERS. YOU DESERVE NOTHING.

Darth Vadik, CA   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

Oh for God's sake Hillary supporters, give it up already, might as well come on board, it's much brighter over here anyway.

Rick in Florida   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

1968 all over again. THANKS HILLARY. Your selfishness and ego-driven insistence to stay in the campaign (hoping someone will GET to Obama, just like RFK in 1968) will destroy the Party and give the election to McCain, when it should have been a SLAM DUNK for Dems this year. Your overt racism, your pathetic "victim-hood", and your callous disregard for the truth have destroyed any hopes for a decent Clinton "legacy"…..and its your own fault. GOOD RIDDANCE.

Something Else   May 27th, 2008 11:06 am ET

I guess they don't believe in abiding by the rules, Mrs Clinton would not be pushing the issue if the shoe was on the other foot. I guess abiding by the rules only works when it it's in her favor. Setting bad examples. what about the next time around can every state break the rules and have their primaries when they want and not be penalized!!!!

Kathy in Michigan   May 27th, 2008 11:07 am ET

This reminds me of the photos of the "Protest" to stop the recount in Florida. The people in the photograph all turned out to be appointees by Karl Rove.

I had the understanding that in our society we follow rules and their are consequences for not following the rules. The DNC cannot change the rules at this late date or they will set a precedent for breaking the rules in coming years. Senator Clinton is using this situation to gain the numbers. She was not concerned in October when she signed the pledge, she was not concerned when they had their early primaries. This is a totally disingenuous attempt to gain what she wants, unfortunately it is dividing the party and will not help her win.

american in canada   May 27th, 2008 11:07 am ET

as an obama supporter, i would like to extend a virtual olive branch to all of hillary's supporters (including my father). in the end, we are all democrats and in order to prevent our recession turning into a depression, our war in iraq turning into a war in iran, more of our brave soldiers returning in body bags, and gas jumping to $10 per gallon, we NEED TO UNITE and support our nominee (whomever that might be). this country cannot afford to have another republican in the white house. let's change this country for the better.
democrats 08&12!

Extinct   May 27th, 2008 11:07 am ET

Good for Hillary and Obama. May the best man, I mean person, win!

If not Hillary....then McCain   May 27th, 2008 11:07 am ET

So what will the slogan be…Do NOT COUNT ALL THE VOTES! Play by the RULES COMMITTEE AND DNC RULES, DO NOT UPHOLD OUR FREEDOM TO VOTE? Once again it is a matter of manuvering. I only hope Hillary's campaign continues on offense and the rights of the AMERICAN people. When you see something (ie the caucuses) does not work, and are not representing the people's voices, it is time to reevaluate the system. Looks like Obama supporters are "stealing" the protest idea from Hillary supporters doesn't it?

BettiH, Indianapolis, IN.   May 27th, 2008 11:07 am ET

Whatever. The only slight anything I would give Clinton and her husband is a slight kick out of the race. Fl and MI shouldn't count, 48 other states followed the rules, why should they be allowed to break them and still be rewarded?

Shannon   May 27th, 2008 11:08 am ET

it's so disgusting that Obama and his supporters don't want every vote to count. It reminds me of George Bush. Of course what do you expect from a man who missed 40% of his votes, votes for the Cheney Energy bill, plays the race card constantly, has a wife who calls America a mean country that she's not proud of. His supporters spew hatred and insults in every post and call it hope and change. God help us if this horrible man wins. I feel like this is George Bush all over again. The media picked our candidate, and people are to stupid to go look at his pathetic record. I ask people who support Obama how he voted on a specific issue, and they have no clue. It's truly frightening how cult like they all are.

I print out a lot of the hate filled comments here to show people what the campaign of hope and change is really about. I urge everyone to vote for Hillary, write her name in. Show people what this horrible campaign is really about. Obama supporters, who say they want to unite America, cannot post without insulting America and the people who support Clinton. Is this what we want in our President, a hate filled petty man.

Ratgurl   May 27th, 2008 11:08 am ET

So I'm curious… is the Clinton campaign paying for the bussing of these protesters? & if so, with whose money? She's BROKE! Just like the rest of the country.

JH   May 27th, 2008 11:08 am ET

Obamanation people, you are so crasy………………………………. Who wants that in the white house?

RRO   May 27th, 2008 11:08 am ET

I do not know how Obama and his supporters can talk about a different kind of politics, of change and bring the country together and than deny the voters of florida their vote. Obama and Clinton were both on the ballot in Florida, neither of them campaigned to any major extent there and the results are the results. Every poll shows Obama doing poorly in Flordia, so Clintons win their was not a fluke.

The other thing to consider is, if Flordia and Michigan are not counted people can make the argument that Obama stole this primary. That his message of change will be tainted by a dirty poltical manuver to win Flordia.

If Flordia is not seated, than I say no votes for Obama and hello President McCain.

Clinton 2012

Sal fron NY   May 27th, 2008 11:08 am ET

Obama about to declare victory? What a joke. Does't the woos appeaser know Hillary is going to run as an Independent and clean his clock? Dumb and dumber.

PS–undefined change is no change at all.

mt   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

these Obama supporters are becoming a nuisance. cannot let things to be fair to all? All this forcing, pushing, screaming, complaining, attacking, whining…………..what kind of species are they?

Fair & Square Politics..That is what it's about!   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

I think some people may be taking this Obama guy as a joke. Millions and millions of Americans want this man as our President.

He worked hard and played fair. That is what our country is desperate for in our politics. Hillary needs to face the music.

Get on the Obama train, or stay home and stay out of the way.

WE WANT CHANGE!!!

Claudette Keller   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

First I thought that Hillary really cared about the democratic party and the issues of the American people. Now it's evident she and Bill only want what THEY want. Since she's so much in debt, do you think she's being paid by the Republican party to sabotage this election?

The people have spoken, we are ready for a change. Not politics as usual. Bill you had your chance and you "MESSED" up. Not, just LET GO!!!

Tiachi   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

why isn't the media bringing to light the fact that Hillary Clinton did not care about FL / MI until she was losing? Talk about fair press. Everytime they bring this issue up, they should be forced to mention that Obama wasn't on the Ballot in Michigan, that he was a virtual unknown when Florida votes were cast, and that she also agreed to disinfranchise the voters there until she saw that as her only chance. Even if they were counted, she would still LOSE. So I hope they just seat them and we can move on. This is so silly!!!

Calimari Caty   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

Somebody tell Clinton that she is not a dog and Obama is not a lamp-post! capisce?

A Latte Lover, Seattle, WA   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

Good! Enough already. Yes, they should be seated, but not in a way that would change the outcome of the primaries. They broke the rules. That's all I have to say about that!!!

OLDER WOMEN FOR OBAMA, 08

Darth Vadik, CA   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

I guess we'll see if that 75,000 people was a one time thing.

sacto joe   May 27th, 2008 11:09 am ET

Senator Clinton, you no longer have my support for VP.

We are not Republicans - we do not eat our own.

If it means losing the general election, then so be it: You are simply not fit to be VP.

Odem   May 27th, 2008 11:10 am ET

Does Sen Obama want to win with just 48 states, i am shocked that i once supported him.

Mark   May 27th, 2008 11:10 am ET

funny to see that the HILLARY-posts are becoming fewer and fewer

Democrats should finally accept that a majority voted for Obama - and they should unite behind him.

Otherwise the same happens as twice with bush: People vote republican out of a bad mood just to realize shortly after the election that they got another 4 years of bad politics.

Concerned   May 27th, 2008 11:10 am ET

This is a shame for all the Democrats!

peggyledbetter   May 27th, 2008 11:10 am ET

Come Saturday Hillary won't have a leg to stand on!!! She will be finished!!

american in canada   May 27th, 2008 11:11 am ET

why did she agree to these rules in the first place?
why do people not understand that HER advisor was part of the team that made these rules, not obama?
OBAMA 08!!!

Jon   May 27th, 2008 11:11 am ET

If Obama is the nonma. he and she had better be prepared for a long fight from the people with common sense.

Just another Canuck   May 27th, 2008 11:11 am ET

As an outsider looking on, this is what I see:

You want to have the delegates seated. You want to count the voters, but you can't count them on the basis of how they voted because a) the primary was illegal; b) all of the delegates were not on the ballot; c) to find a compromise satisfactory to both remaining delegates, the vote ratio will have to be applied from outside the states involved. All this to appease people who knowingly broke the rules, including the only major candidate who appeared on those ballots, who was also a signatory to the rules she broke. I don't envy you.

Glad I'm a Canuck.

Eric   May 27th, 2008 11:11 am ET

Good…. let’s have a "peaceful" protest. Obama and Clinton both have vigorous supporter. Remember, both campaigns want the same thing; but in different ways. Remember, Obama just as much as Hillary wants to see Michigan and Florida’s delegates seated.

DEMOCRATS UNITE   May 27th, 2008 11:11 am ET

“Our purpose is not to divide the party or attack the DNC or Senator Obama. Michigan and Florida, however, in addition to Hillary's strong support nationwide, cannot and must not be dismissed in DNC efforts to unify the party.”

Well I guess Obama supporters can say the same thing,but it looks like the party will unify this way and people will become fearful of a sure defeat in November. I must day to seat the delagates without some penalty is not fair.

Sam Padayachee   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

It seems like the Clintons are trying to bully their way into the Whitehouse.

Big Shutdown   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

We are wasting time with this. If it was so important to Hillary, she should have never agreed to invalidate the Michigan and Florida results. She does not care at all about the people from these two fine states, and is only interested in furthering her political career.
This is just another case of Hillary doing and saying whatever it takes to get the nomination. She never dreamed she would be in such a hopeless situation, but she has been in it for some time now and it would be refreshing to see some grace and dignity for a change.

Sadly, we will see little of it from her part.

LA   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

Hillary is a joke. And this woman has been completely ashamed of her candidacy. She had made the road hard for the next woman to seek office.

She didn't care a thing about FL and MI until she needed them, even Ickes (who voted to strip FL and MI) admitted that the other day,

Rules are the rules. Republicans have been telling us about the Clintons for years, now we see exactly what they have been saying.

jackiezac72   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

This story should not even exist. No one should be protesting this issue. I guess you make and agree on rules only to go back and disregard them? Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself. I am a Democrat that only wants a Democrat president. I did vote for Obama but if she would have been the nominee then I would have voted for her against Mccain. Thank God Obama will be running against McCain because all the stunts and crap she has been pulling goes against what I believe a true leader should do. Going gracefully sure is not an option for her. Her backers that say that they will vote for McCain or not at all if she does not win need to realize they are not true Democrats! Shame on them too! I really wish the Obama camp would not go protest and just let the Hillary people protest and look stupid.

M   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

This should be the most entertaining meeting the rules committee has ever had.

Belle   May 27th, 2008 11:12 am ET

Everyone should realize that this is not about Clinton or Obama. This is about what is right. The real question is why did the DNC choose to allow certain states to move their primaries up and not others. No matter, what the reasons were, the DNC rules were idiotic and should never have been installed. It is ignorant to believe that either candidate had a real choice. What would the DNC have done if either candidate disagreed? There were eight Democratic candidates in the beginning. If the DNC continues to be adamant about the rules, the Democrats can concede Florida (and probably Michigan) in November. If they change the rules now, Obama's supporters will continue their hate mongering (as depicted by the comments on this site). There is no way to fix this mess; clearly, Obama doesn't care about the voters or he would have insisted on a revote (which would have been within the DNC rules). Instead, he hired lawyers to ensure there was no revote; he does not deserve any votes of either Florida or Michigan. Still I realize that allotting the votes in any way will ostracize some voters. The voters deserve better treatment; but, some of them did not vote because they knew about the DNC rules. The DNC messed up and there is no way to fix this mess. Just concede Florida and Michigan to the Republicans, fire Howard Dean and all members of the DNC; then hope for a better outcome in 2012.

Donkeys On Parade   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

Something Else, you hit it!

It's time to end the circus. What a farce!

H, did you run out of Kool Aid?

Clinton=Gone Goose

McCain=One Happy Camper

Obama=Maybe I should have been a Republican

People are you listening   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

All HIllary and Obama supporters. If you like your candidate you need to start supporting one another. Because the bottom line is if Obama does not win the Presidency, Clinton will never see the white house and vice versa. But more so for Obama.

Regardless of what anyone says Obama is winning tbecause he ran a better campaign. If the nomination is given to Hillary you know she does not have enough support to put her in the whitehouse. There was not enough support for her win the nomination. And if Obama loses because HIllary supporters vote for McCain this will be remembered in 2012.

If you really want Hillary to see the White House, you need to take this into consideration.

Bobby Brown   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

The DNC did it to itself. Anytime you place a person higher than her party, there are consequences. But one thing, I can say that the person which they chose at begining appear not be who she claim to be. It is amazing how time reveals things. After all those things said by her, I find me rejoicing that she will not be the nominee. This country would be in a worst state if she was. This party deserves better and more importantly this nation.

debbie   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

Who the heck is paying to bus in Clinton supporters? She has NO money and has 20 million dollars in unpaid bills already.

NoMcSame   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

Are the Clinton backers really having a bake sale outside of the DNC meeting?

Carl29   May 27th, 2008 11:13 am ET

It's over and the Clintons know it. This look like my daugther having a tantrum, throwing herself on the floor whenever I'm not doing what she wants. It is shameful that this come from adults, especially one that wanted to be the head of the most powerful country in the world.

Thank God McCain is gonna give us the first female vice president on her way to become the first female president. Sorry Hillary you are not going to make history :-(

Amy   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

I voted uncommitted for Obama in Michigan…WHY IS HILLARY NOT COUNTING MY VOTE???

V Independent   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Are some of counting your eggs before you even have chickens?
We are a looooonnnnngggg way before such a statement as:
President Obama. Ego's running wild follow your leader be HUMBLE.

Hilda   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

When Hillary agreed not to campaign there because she knew the votes were not going to count, Where were her protest of every vote counts. She thought this thing would be wrapped up in February and she did not care who she trampled on the way there. Her battle cry sure has changed, AGAIN!!!!

Janet WV for Obama   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

I have a suggestion for T-shirts for the Clinton supporters to wear during the rally— It ain't Eazy being Sleazy!

AZM   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Am I reading this right… the Obama campaign is organizing a rally against peoples votes… and this is the unity and change he speaks of? Sick… just Sick!

Tim in NC   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Yaaaa…

They agreed to the rules… they broke the rules… now they'e complaining about the consequences….

Hmmm, and we as Americans wonder why our country and culture has no sense of taking responsibility for our own actions.

jason   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

while i am an obama supporter, i do not understand why the voters are being punished. They are not the ones who decided to move their primary dates. It isn't fair, and I think both candidates should acknowledge this, rather than dancing around the issue with slogans like 'every vote should count,' or whatever.

Skip to "Why is this happening to you?", "Why were you powerless to stop it?" and "What I will do to ensure you are never this powerless in the future."

Tx4HILLARY   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Hillary ego-driven?
More votes have been cast for her than anyone in any election, anywhere!

Its the Obamabots who will push the Clinton supporters away from voting in the fall.

Its only a matter of time before we have a President McCain.

Why are the BO supporters so ridiculously arrogant?

Why do they continue to want to disenfranchise the Florida and Michigan voters.

If they would educate themselves on the rules and what was agreed upon, they would know that there is nothing against counting those votes with a recount.

Do you honestly think that those voters will support BO in the fall when their votes weren't counted in the primary?

WAKE UP!

BARACK OBAMA has purchased this nomination with more donations to SUPER-DELEGATES than any other candidate through his PACs.

Mama for Obama   May 27th, 2008 11:14 am ET

Isn't she just a grand leader? She wouldn't be saying this unless it benefited her. I feel sorry for her "victims" who have been so easily misled.

Harry C   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

What else is new, the Clinton's are at it again. Neither of them can count and their EGOS wont let them do what is the right thing…Now they want to change the rules THE RULES BY THE WAY THAT ALL CANDIDATES AGREED TO BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN STARTED; Now that she is having her butt handed to her on a plate she wants to change the game.. Problem is to OBAMA this Campaign is NOT A GAME it is SERIOUS BUSINESS and the sooner the Clinton's understand this the sooner this nation can move on.

Charlotte   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Copy, copy! Is there anything about him that he has not copied from Hillary??

evan in Canada   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

How about the DNC gives Clinton all her delegates and then in Michigan she may as well have all the uncommitted as there was no ones else on the ballot.

In Florida, how about she gets all her delegates and then all the non- obama votes as well based on the same logic as above.

And maybe she should just get 100 extra delegates for all the trouble this has caused her. Maybe that would be "fair"

I love watching American politics where the rules only apply until they don't work for the candidate.

Bitter Tommy Hussein in St. Louis   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Not to say it hasn't happened because I don't have time to read hundreds of comments in every single thread, but I have yet to see a Hillary supporter here who doesn't deliberately ignore the fact that Hillary and her Harold Ickes agreed to, and were in on, Florida and Michigan's "punishment," and only started to care about the FL and MI voters being "disenfranchised" (how lightly we throw that heretofore serious word around) when she started losing to Obama. You call Obama supporters "Obamabots" and say they are crazy and on kool-aid, but I'd just once like to see one of your group rationally acknowledge that this is how it happened and therefore, that Hillary is being self-serving by making an issue out of this now.

I'd like to hear these Hillary supporters, who try to make us think their hearts are so big and soft and golden because they want to "count ALL the votes," explain how counting the results of the screwed-up FL and MI primaries is fair to people in those states who were eligible to vote but did not, or who voted in the other party's primary, because they were told in advance that their Democratic Party primary vote wouldn't count for squat. I'd like to hear these Hillary supporters explain exactly why the FL and MI primaries should count as they stand, as distorted as they were, but fair and square caucus states shouldn't count for anything. I'm talking about *good* reasons for these two things, not blind and hateful lashing out at "Obama and his thugs," whatever that means. I think I'll be waiting for a long, long time.

judith   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Clinton reminds me of the kid who is playing a game with agreed upon rules, begins losing the game and so wants to change the rules in her favor. I am sure is Obama were in her position now, Clinton would be strident in her enforcement of all the rules agreed upon..And she'd make Obama look like a sore loser.
Sen. Clinton…You are fooling no one !

Gerry   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

What will be the next rule the Clinton campaign tries to change to try to steal the nomination. The voters have decided Hillary-you lose and Obama wins.

Deal iwth it.

trellskig   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Why wont Hillary let the delagates of FL and MI be seated evenly (50/50)? What is the problem? They voted out-of-turn and now it's a big deal with Hillary and her supporters? Give me a break and good for Obama supporters, "fight fire with fire". Hillary is not as authentic person as I once thought she was. (Not by a long shot)

Sheila   May 27th, 2008 11:15 am ET

apparently Hillary Clinton and her supporters must think this thing only works one way. This women is cutting off her political foot, she has alienated people who had supported the Clinton's for years, the AA voters. Are they too stupid to realize that if she were to end up the nominee that the AA voters would no longer support her because of how she and her Husband have run her campaign and she can't win without their vote either, so this thing swings both way. Had they not turned out to be the nasty hateful race bating whinning, blaming everyone but her terrible camp for her running a bad campaign, she may have gotten the AA vote because they had the advantange with AA voters in the beginning, we will not forget how she has run this race and made it about race, so if she returned to the Senate, I live in NY state, she will not be getting the AA vote if she runs again when her time is up in the Senate. I also was born and raised up until my adult life in Florida and she wouldn't get my vote again, regardless of which state I am in.

Peggy   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

Ron Paul's supporters, and Obama's supporters are cut from the cloth. They are some of the most foul mouth people i have ever seen.

Sheila   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

In a free society, democracy dictates that everyone's vote be counted. If the shoe were on the other foot, Obama supporters would also insist that all voices be heard.

The Democratic Party cannot afford to turn its back on Florida and Michigan. Whoever ends up as the nominee will certainly need the support of these states.

Let's rise above the political infighting and let all the people be counted.

John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

Tis is crap to me. FL and MI will be seated, but sorry hillbots, it will not change the outcome as many of you hope. They will be seated, but they will not change the results. Only one or two more weeks of the queen. Then we can get down to beating Mcbush in Nov.

Lydia   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

It borders on the criminal for the Clinton campaign to take advantage of the people of Florida and Michigan. She did not care about their voting rights last year when she thought she would wrap up the nomination on February 5th, when she thought their votes would not matter. For her to be so concerned now about every person's vote being counted is self-serving.

Bill and Hillary know the popular vote does not win the primary nor does it win the general election. For the primary it is the number of delegates; for the general its the electoral college.

Additionally, this entire meeting scheduled for May 31, 2008, is based on race. If the situation were reversed and Clinton was leading in popular votes, leading in total number of elected delegates, leading in total number of superdelegates, and leading in number of states won, Obama would have been chased out of the race. In fact, after winning eleven states in a row, Obama would have been chased out of the race a loooong time ago.

Rules are the rules and it is ludicrous to hold a meeting to make a final determination on an issue that has been settled for more than a year. The time to have had these discussions….the ramifications of disenfranchising the people of Florida and Michigan as punishment for what their political leaders did….was last year. Now now.

But it is par for the course. The African American is winning by the rules, so we need to change the rules.

Racism is so transparent sometimes. Sigh.

Eric   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

There you go, it had to be expected. That's the problem when you have Clinton agreeing on the rules only to change her mind when she realized she needed those votes. But that was not enough for her. She has to compare that to the fight for civil rights and even accuse Obama who has been coherent since the biginning. And yes, enough of her supporters, blind to her lies, really think she is fighting for some kind of justice. Funny.

For me, it's hard to imagine that when the day to vote will come, a real democrat will say: Wait a minute, let's vote for the guy who wants tax cut only for the rich, fight for pro-life agenda, wants to pursue Bush's politics, and so on. Those bloggers saying they'll vote for Mccain over Obama are simply real republicans in disguise. There is no sane democrat who can say such a thing, considering Obama's and Clinton's positions on social and economic issues are similar. And you can't argue he lacks the strenght or the experience, considering he had a terrific campaign and came from nowhere to beat the anointed candidate.

For those Clinton's supporters saying your candidate was treated disrespectfully, I would argue the opposite. I had never seen a candidate saying so many lies and getting away with them because the press let her do it. The last one being about her huband clinching the nomination in June, while in his own autobiography, he himself writes that the deal was done in April. That's the kind of behaviours that draw anger and rage from people, emotions that find their way to these blogs.

Rick in Florida   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

Some joker wrote "Hillary 08, 12, Chelsea 24, 28″…..what delusional thinking, and just shows you how OUT OF TOUCH Hillary's folks are.

Anyway the Peter Paul v Clintons lawsuit (for FRAUD) is due for trial in CA in November (the Clintons got the judge to delay until after the Nov elections…..funny timing, eh??) but that scandal, and the ones where Bill received funds from foreign governments, are going to DOOM whatever is left of the Clinton "legacy"….and we'll ALL BE GLAD that she's not in the White House (in ANY capacity). Remember Agnew??

LA   May 27th, 2008 11:16 am ET

"So when you vote for Obama, you'll really be voting for Axelrod. Good Luck!"

So then by this analogy, a vote for McCain is a vote for Liberman since Liberman has to whisper corrections in his ear all the time.

Imagine a commander-in-chief that doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite!!

Kim   May 27th, 2008 11:17 am ET

I wish that they didn't have to protest and that the DNC could rise up and do the right thing…

What is the right thing? Didn't the DNC ask all the candidates to NOT campaign in Michigan because they (the DNC) was Not going to count their votes / delegates? So all candidates left in the race should share 50 percent of the votes, the other 50 percent is the penalty.(less you want a lawsuit).

Florida, I am not sure what the arangement was but I would expect it was the same, so split 50 percent.

ALL IN FAVOR … (submit comment by saying) I

Sean   May 27th, 2008 11:17 am ET

Let Obama and his camp discount Florida and Michigan. Hand them over to McCain in the General Election so that McCain can beat him. I'd love to see both states be the ones to hand McCain the Presidency at Obama's expense.

Cuacus = Peer pressure fest!   May 27th, 2008 11:17 am ET

Have any of you Obama supporters actually listened to the stuff that comes out of your candidates mouth? Anti-americanism wrapped in patriotic gift paper at it's best. Not to mention this man has done nothing in his political career save for showing up to vote present in congress. Do not support this man. Hillary is the only viable candidate to get democrats back in the white house come november. I will not vote democrat with Obama at the top of the ticket.

Doris,Memphis, TN   May 27th, 2008 11:17 am ET

The Superdelegates are so weak! They are allowing Senator
Clinton to do everything in her power to destroy the party and
to try to destroy Obama's chance of winning in the fall. Bill and
Hill this is going to all backfire on you! The American people
are not stupid. You two are!

Steve   May 27th, 2008 11:18 am ET

Clinton KNEW the votes would not be count if FL/MI opened the ballots early. Everyone knew the votes would not count so Obama chose to not spend the $ to get put on the ballot. Clinton thought she would be sneaky. SORRY HILL DOG last thing America needs is another FLAT OUT CHEATER In the white house!

It sounds like Clinton is working with the same people who ILEAGLY got Bush in the White House twice!

I wonder how much more America will take before we have another Tea Party!?!?!?!

Future-Thought   May 27th, 2008 11:18 am ET

Obama supporters are now concerned about delegate numbers. If he gets in, they (the young ones) will someday be concerned about their draft numbers. The military will undergo a huge and unfortunate change under an Obama administration. Re-enlistments will dry up even more than they have under current Democratic negative influence ,and potential new recruits will know that they will have an unworthy Commander in Chief and will therefore not even consider a military career. Yet we will still need a military. The answer? As an option already floated by some Democrats, you can look for a renewed draft. That will be your first taste of freedom under an Obama administration.

R.I.F.   May 27th, 2008 11:18 am ET

lol,

You must for for the clinton camp? "hillary has more electoral votes than mccain"????? Did I miss something? I could've sworn that the GE is not until November. Polls for a GE conducted in May are not all that accurate. Dukakis was leading in the polls and ended up losing 40 states. Also to note, Bill Clinton didn't menition some other polls that show Obama up in swing states including OH, PA, CO, NV, VA, NM. Also every poll in California actually show Obama beating McCain by a wider margin than Clinton and most of them show her losing to McCain in CO, VA, NM. The bottom line is that we can't rely on polls to decide what's going to happen five months from now. A year ago those same polls showed that the matchup would be Clinton versus Rudy Guliani. I guess those polls were accurate.

Venus   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

Great!

Thank you Obama supporters for your counter-pretest!

Also - It would be great for the voters who did not vote and followed the rules to protest!

Go Bam! Each day the Clintons are showing us their true color!

I love it! They can't believe a rookie has beat them! (:

This story gets better every day! Hillary is still in the primary while Obama is on to the general election!

fred   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

this is not fair. i am tied of this election. i thought rules are rules. i suppose to vote on FL but i know my vote count so i didn't vote. this is erong. my question to DNC and hillary supporter; how come i played by the rule and my vote is not being counted, instead people that broke the rules, thier vote is going to count.

Steve, New York, New York   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

Wow, Hillary - your ego knows no bounds, does it?

You didn't mind these rules back in October (when you were the front-runner). Now you want to change them because you're losing?

Please, someone get Hillary to a mental hospital, so someone can begin treating her megalomania.

Swalker327   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

COUNT ME IN — AND I'M BRINING MY FRIENDS WITH ME !!!

I strongly support Barack — but deep inside of me I want McCain to win just because I want to sit back and watch you idiots when the economy gets worse (and oh by the way it affects you most), oil prices continue to soar and you can't fill your pick-up trucks, your kids will continue to die in Iraq (mostly because they don't go to college and the military is their only hope), Roe v. Wade gets overturned, etc.

YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS AND DESERVE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU IF MCCAIN GETS ELECTED.

OBAMA O8!!

OBAMA '08!!

Tim Lehman   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

I am curious to know more about the background of the "count every vote" controversy. When were the rules made and why? Were the campaigns consulted then? What was their position before the primary season?

I see (mostly partisan) references to these issues. Could CNN run a reminder article about this that would be fair to both sides?

sherrie50   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

All you HC haters, please tell me what have you done for humanity and your society. How much have you given as a servant of mankind to make this a better place to live. If you cannot, it probably because you are spending too much time making cruel and mean blogs about the lady. Majority of you do not understand basic politic, so keep your limited understanding of the process and issues to yourself. You come off sounding rather illiterate.

SKS in Wisconsin   May 27th, 2008 11:19 am ET

I hope both sides remember that ultimately we are on the same side. We must put a democrat in the WhiteHouse so we can minimize the number of Sons, Daughters, Fathers and Mothers that will die in Iraq.

Kathy - FLA   May 27th, 2008 11:20 am ET

Let's make this perfectly clear. Obama and his campaign have been blocking any solution or compromise to the counting of the Florida and Michigan votes. He is the one disenfranchising 1.7 million voters in Florida. How can anyone say he ran an honest campaign if he doesn't agree to a solution to the problem? This just shows you his true self and what he's really like and indicates what kind of leader he would be. He's a politician just looking out for himself, his position of power and doesn't care about the people of those two states.

Xavier, St. Louis, MO   May 27th, 2008 11:20 am ET

I don't blame them one bit. This whole fiasco is because Hillary wants to have her way and change the rules that she agreed to follow. Obama supporters are only protesting to make a statement; which is" Play by the Rules!"

Chudi   May 27th, 2008 11:20 am ET

Oh NO!

Thanks Hillary! Now you have what you have wished for. Hillary you will never be President of this country! You make the WORD DIVISIVE look HOLY. Mark my words never will you win the Presidency, and history will debate your legacy for your supporters to get to know the real you that is DIVISIVE and that is the TRUTH! You may run but will never WIN.

And for the last time folks, I am MAD at people here saying Obama supporters are vile, get some brains it has been the REPUBLICANS doing it, of course we have some Obama supporters saying bad words but only rarely when Hillary does something so EVIL that boils their blood. So get a LIFE and go vote for McCain like you have always wished for. You know you want to vote for MAC because you are closet racists that never could stand a BLACK man being POTUS. Well get used to it because WE ARE A NEW GENERATION OF AMERICANS and we declare OUR FUTURE WILL NOT BE WRITTEN FOR US BUT BY US! Good grief get a life you OLD PEOPLE. And yes I'm WHITE.

And we dare you to meet us in D.C! Just try us, test us and see if this new generation is serious or not. Get ready to have your butt spanked for real you crazy feminist bigoted hate filled vile Hillary supporters.

Pat M   May 27th, 2008 11:20 am ET

If America would vote like every other Nation this problem would never exist! Why can't they pick an election date, have Americans vote for their favourite Candidate, count the votes and announce the winner - Like every other Nation world wide!

This is total insanity! Every election in America seems to generate a voting problem of some description. Bush's election was Florida and the Chads! The system is what's igniting hatred, division, suspicion, and racism! Isn't it time to to employ a new system? One that is uncomplicated, user friendly, and fair to all candidates and citizens alike!

Kaci   May 27th, 2008 11:20 am ET

People reacting with their emotions. RULES, People, RULES. Obama didn't make the rules, and so far he is the only wone following them. How in creation are you blaming him for the Florida and Michigan debacle? Either you are stupid or you don't read. Yes, great lesson for our American children (and adults with no intergrity). "I agreed to the rules a year ago, everybody understood the consequences of holding the primaries early, but no wthat it doesn't suit me, or I'm losing, let's just toss out the rules. " You are really stupid if you think that this kind of stuff doesn't hurt our democracy. Of coursee, this country has a history of changing the rules on particular groups when it doesn't suit their power-hungry needs. Hate and racism is an ugly sore we just can't seem to rid this country of.

Ed   May 27th, 2008 11:21 am ET

It just goes to show the character of Obama and his camp when they are protesting to SUPPRESS the votes of millions of people just because they didn't vote for him. This is an utter disgrace. And please don't tell me that this was not Obama's fault. It is his fault for two reasons: 1) Obama actively sought to remove his name from the MI ballot to render it "inauthentic" because he knew he was going to lose handily; his name was on the ballot originally by default. 2) Under the by-laws of the DNC, violating states have the right to attempt to "repair" their violation via re-vote, etc. FL, MI and Clinton were supportive of this measure, but Obama was not, thereby not allowing FL and MI to repair the violation. As such, Obama should have no say in how FL and MI are resolved because he effectively blocked their attempt to repair the violation, i.e., he has forfeited his right to weigh in on how they should count.

Suppressing the will of the people and blocking votes- yes, that's a "change" that Zimbabwe can believe in!

Showme   May 27th, 2008 11:21 am ET

Electoral votes only count in the General Election. People WILL vote differently in November than they did in the primaries and caucuses. To say anyone is ahead in electoral votes is a total fabrication. Lets do what the RNC did and give Michigan a Florida a half vote for each delegate.
Too bad the voters in FL and MI cannot vote out those who REALLY screwed them over in the fall - their own officials! (Both governors were sworn in January 2007)

Rob R   May 27th, 2008 11:21 am ET

The Rules Committee should seat the super delegates from both states only. This would give both states some representation at the convention with real votes. FL and MI need to be punished for violating the rules. Everyone knows that and there are no indiciations that they will simply allow the votes to count as is - especially when Obama was not on the ballot on MI.

The Clinton campaign has a very weak argument filled with hypocrisy that any educated person can surely see through.

You simply cannot agree to something and then demand a different outcome just because the results favor you.

Also, I have seen that there were some critical initatives on the ballots in FL that perhaps were what drove that many people to vote despite the knowledge that the delegates wouldn't count.

It will simply be harder to stomach Clinton winning the nomination over Obama at this point, because in order for her to do so, she would have to have FL and MI counted as is, AND take a significant share of the remaining superdelegates which would essentially overturn the results up till now.

It's kind of like an eBay auction. Your winning an item the whole time and then right at the very last second, someone comes in and steals it away from you. When that happens it doesn't make me feel very nice. Doesn't make me want to reach out to that buyer and say "Hey nice job!"

B - NYC   May 27th, 2008 11:21 am ET

This just shows us all how divided the Democratic party is…

I was a Democrat, now turned Independent and will NOT vote for Obama…

Love it   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

Let Obama and Hillary battle it out till August…September…October. I love it.

Dave W.   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

Will someone please ask Hillary Clinton and Mcauliffe why it was okay that Michigan and Florida votes didn't count when Hillary was winning, but they should count now that she is losing?

La Raza   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

The honorable thing for H.C. to do is to demand that her "supporters" stand down. This is ridiculous.

NO OBAMA5   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, = CAMP FOR ALL ANTI-AMERICANS, FIRST TIME VOTERS, ANY ONE SUFFERING FROM ANGER ,RESENTMENT, REVENGE,HATE, THOSE WHO SUPPORT MARXISM, HAVE NO NEED FOR FREEDOM, ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE BIAS MEDIA!

Ron L   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

WHAT CRAP!!

I am from Michigan…WE BROKE THE RULES. We will be seated BUT we should not be allowed to effect the selection process AT ALL…once again for the dense people….

WE BROKE THE RULES….and one other thing….

HILLARY, BARACK, and JOHN agreed with the DNC when they handed down the punishment for BREAKING THE RULES…

It's just Hillary is a phony as a 3 dollar bill and wants to act like she didn't support it before. How can't this woman make your stomach churn…SHE IS A MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT!!

Can't wait for the DNC Primary to end   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

Please let this be a peaceful protest on both sides. How about the issue not being Hillary vs Obama for that day, but the issue being fair seating of the FLA & MI delegates vs the initial rules.

tim in carroll ia   May 27th, 2008 11:22 am ET

MI & FL Democrats: Don't be surprised if the DNC decides that the rules DO count! There are unfortunately a great many people in our country today who don't think the rules apply to them. They don't want to play by them, so they champion the causes of Pete Rose (gambling), Martha Stewart (insider trading), Barry Bonds (cheating), Ronald Reagan (Iran-Contra), Rush Limbaugh (drugs) etc. and the list goes on and on! Once and for all - THE RULES DO MATTER! The best compromise you can hope for is a 50/50 split of your delegations and to actually get them seated at the convention. If you thought this year's primaries were a mess, try them four years from now with states making up their own rules as they go along! There are good reasons why the DNC's rules exist. All the other states went by the rules. If you want to find someone to blame (which never solves the problem), look no further than your own party leaders and elected officials. You want to punish somebody at the polls, start with them. This election, for our WHOLE nation, is too important for people to sulk on the sidelines - no matter where you live!

Ilona Proud Canadian   May 27th, 2008 11:23 am ET

taylor richmond virginia,

It is not over until the DNC says it is over!

Barack Supporters, don't listen to this kind of advice. Just think, Hillary supporters will be there by the droves! Check with someone from Barack's Campaign, and get their input for organizing the largest/best possible Counter Protest Rally that you can!

BARACK SUPPORTERS,

YES YOU CAN!

frank fato   May 27th, 2008 11:23 am ET

I am arepublican I have learned to respect Hillary for her tenacity and kootzpa .

How about a Mc Cain Hillary ticket?

Zoe   May 27th, 2008 11:24 am ET

What a gift to the Republican party!
Are you Democracts thinking AT ALL….. or lost in adolescent party games.

Steph   May 27th, 2008 11:24 am ET

If the allow Clinton to steal this nomination due to Florida and Michigan I will vote for Barr or not at all. She has broken every rule. It's all about her and she is totally going back on what she said about the votes not counting. And now that she's loosing she wants to change the rules. I can't believe the DNC is falling for this.

not her please   May 27th, 2008 11:25 am ET

Wait, i think Bill and Hill want to change the rules again. Maybe they better wait to see what if any rule change could possibly get them the nomination. I think we should only count the large states. Well, we could count the small states as long as they're a swing state. We should count the popular vote but not the states that caucus.. I can't believe there are still people who are buying what she's selling. It's truly amazing and i guess it's true–she truly does have the uneducated on her side.

Zoe   May 27th, 2008 11:25 am ET

What a gift to the Republican party!
Are you Democrats thinking AT ALL….. or lost in adolescent party games.

jc   May 27th, 2008 11:25 am ET

Who is Obama to be making this decision - why is it up to him - see this is what we mean - The map was already laid out for Obama a year ago - to plan was to railroad Hillary and have all the super deligates pile on and badger her and shame her into wanting to quit -Why is seating Florida and Michigan his decision? That's outrageous. I quit the democratic party.

obamacrat   May 27th, 2008 11:25 am ET

Why are people from either side wasting their time/money? The only "solution" that the HRC camp will agree on is one that counts all FL and MI votes as is. This includes not giving Obama the "Uncommitted" votes in MI. The DNC will not do this, so it's on to Denver we go. Protesters should save their energy/money till then. On May 31 we will officailly become a divided party. Divided we fall in Novemner. Thanks Hillary!

Obama 08   May 27th, 2008 11:26 am ET

Now you know the true color of the clintons.

Allan American (Costa Rica Resident)   May 27th, 2008 11:26 am ET

Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Lanny Davis and Terry McAuliffe make me want to puke. They will stoop to anything to try and win…..but, suprise……….WE WANT NO MORE CLINTON'S or BUSH'S in our WHITE HOUSE.
Get over it Hillary for the good of the Dems….and good ridance to you all.

If not Hillary, then McCain...   May 27th, 2008 11:26 am ET

Obama 08 = Kerry 04

If Hillary is denied the nomination due to the FL/MI situation, then I will vote for McCain in November. Enough talk of coming together to support Obama; he is too inexperienced, liberal, and divisive due to his comments about religion and guns for the more Intelligent half of the democratic party (and the country as a whole).

As for the "rules is the rules", the Republicans in FL moved up the primary date. Why should us Democrats be punished?

Jim   May 27th, 2008 11:26 am ET

Can you spell HYPOCRITE? The rules were fine when she was the front runner, but now they aren't. Give me a freakin' break. GO AWAY HILLARY. You are a loser.

Fred up north   May 27th, 2008 11:27 am ET

Poor Hillary, She lost so much:
The support of senators who backed in her bid for the Presidency
The respect of her campaign team who threw her under the bus,
The confident of her husband ( without the blue dress )
The Kennedy family Who now hates her
women in general ,( who thinks she had a sex change and is neither male nor female
Blacks who she constantly insults( at least those educated enough to recognize it
Donors who feels that she is really vying for GOP VP.
The Rednecks who dislikes her thirst for Canadian whiskey
white working American, they know she is behind NAFTA………………/…

great   May 27th, 2008 11:27 am ET

It's incredible how arrogant you Obama Supporters are in reference to this. What are you afraid off? Putting your so called "rules" aside for a minute please, DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK OBAMA WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER WITHOUT FLORIDA AND HILLARY SUPORTERS NATIONWIDE? Do we just want to clinch the nomination and loose in November like Kerry and Gore?

OBAMA WILL CLEARLY WIN COUNTING ALL THE VOTES!!! BY THE WAY HE WILL ALSO NEED THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND ALL THIS HATE..HATE AND NAME CALLING WILL NOT - WILL NOT UNITE.

ALSO BEFORE I AM A DEMOCRAT, I AM AN AMERICAN AND I WILL VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE THAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY!!! SCARE TACTICTS PAINTING MCCAIN AS A MONSTER WILL NOT DO.

OGirl   May 27th, 2008 11:27 am ET

Mob rule! Let's see who can get more people to the Protest. Chicago 68 Rules. Now we'll see if Obama really believes in civil rights for minorities - does he support counting ALL the votes. Let's see if Obama really believes in CHANGE - if the rules are bad and disenfranchise a minority of voters, change the rules!

Clair   May 27th, 2008 11:27 am ET

This is TOTALLY different from the 2000 vote! We are a country founded on LAW (i.e. "rules") Imagine if Gore had tried to contest the Presidency based on having won the popular vote? Gore won the popular vote, but it didn't mean he could change the rules! He
graciously asked his supporters to accept the court's election decision. Clinton is getting away with saying the votes in MI and FL should count when that's not what she agreed to and said at the time of the vote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg
"It's clear," said Clinton, "this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference
whether or not my name was on the ballot." VS what she's saying now: “The lesson is if you can discern the clear intent of the voter, why would you punish the voter?” How DIVISIVE! Does Hillary ACTUALLY think that giving Obama ZERO votes from MI represents the
true "intent of the voter"? If the DNC allows half the delegates to count, she'll still claim all votes should count towards the popular vote, while saying the popular vote from the caucus states should NOT count! So 238,168 in MI who voted for "uncommitted" b/c Obama wasn't on the ballot shouldn't be counted? Yeah, right! Puerto Ricans, can't even vote in the general election, but she's pandering to them to run
up the popular vote. The current DNC rules ALL candidates agreed to say that it's the most delegates that win the primary NOT the popular vote, but because she can't win by the rules she agreed to, she wants to change the rules! Would our Forefathers have approved?

Sheila   May 27th, 2008 11:27 am ET

Well I see how delusional the Clinton supporters are, she has rubbed off on them. How in the heck is it Senator Obama fault that Florida and Michigan did not follow the rules like the other 48 states did. The other 48 states followed the rule and now Clinton and her supporters want to get rewarded for breaking the rules. Florida should have known better , they messed up the last election and that's how Bush got in and now they want to blame everyone else because they let their Republican Governor move the date of the primaries that got them in this mess in the first place. I have no problem with the delegates being seated at the convention, but not give them the advantage of selecting who will be president because they did not follow the rule and all the other 48 states that did, should protest if they try to give them all their votes. The next time, FOLLOW THE RULES. Hillary Clinton will never be President of this country, not after what how she ran her campaign this year. If the Clinton's and their supporters try to steal the nomination from Obama and try to mess up the general election, there will be hell to pay for the DNC.

TWaid   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

We must count Florida and Michigan. It won't change the primary outcome, but if we do not count them it could change the outcome in November.

fletc3her   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

Calls to count all the "votes" are insulting to those of us in caucus states. I don't see why my participation in the Washington State caucuses should be disenfranchised. We had record setting numbers in the caucuses this year. And not a single one of us "voted". The Democratic Primary is decided by delegates, not by votes.

Our current President lost the popular vote to Al Gore. The Supreme Court allowed Florida to send a slate of electors which allowed Bush to win in the electoral college. The rules were changed mid election and the country has been paying for it for eight years. I cannot support Clinton's calls to change the rules of the primary mid election.

Obama 08   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

GB, Your so full of it. Get a life.
Hillary wasn't even thinking about Mich anf Fla until she needed them. Are you that simple-minded?

FloridaVoter   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

The rules, are the rules.

HOMEOWNER In Florida   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

FLORIDA SHOULD NOT COUNT. I VOTED BECAUSE OF AMMENDMENT 1 . 98% OF FLORIDIANS WENT OUT TO VOTE BECAUSE OF AMMENDMENT 1. I HAVE TWO FRIENDS THA WENT TO VOTE AND NONE OF THE CANDIDATES NAMES CAME UP, THEY ASKED THE WORKERS AND WAS GIVEN NO SOLUTIONS. THEY DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO VOTE. WHAT ABOUT THEIR VOTES? I HAVE PLENTY OF FRIENDS THAT DID NOT GO OUT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD NOT COUNT . WHAT ABOUT THEIR VOTES. THEIR WILL BE NOTHING FAIR ABOUT COUNTING THE VOTES AS THEY ARE. HILLARY WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT MAKE HER LOOK GOOD. THIS WHOLE THING IS MESSED UP. I SAY STICK TO THE ORIGINAL RULE. 2.5 MILLION GOT A CHANCE TO VOTE, WHAT ABOUT THE 2.5 MILLION THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO VOTE.

Pol   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

And THIS you would like to implement in other countries? Good example for them. One hundred million $ devil (or deviless) is terrorizing a whole country - USA.

jc   May 27th, 2008 11:28 am ET

Hey EC, the election isn't until November - calm down - why shouldn't