May 28, 2008
Posted: 11:30 AM ET
 Clinton paid a visit to Mt. Rushmore Wednesday. (Sasha Johnson/CNN)
Clinton paid a visit to Mt. Rushmore Wednesday. (Sasha Johnson/CNN)

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Democratic Party is likely to meet rule-breaking Florida and Michigan halfway when it comes to seating their delegates at the national convention, two members of the rules committee said Wednesday.

Such a move may help Sen. Hillary Clinton close the delegate gap with front-runner Sen. Barack Obama but not overtake him, said sources familiar with party deliberations.

The sources did not want to be identified because the full committee has not yet discussed the problem or ruled on it.

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Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


lexel   May 28th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated. They know the rules and they still went ahead to hold their primary earlier. It doesn't make sense. It feels like law-breakers gets rewarded and it also gives the impression that some people are above the law and get away with anything. Filing for lawsuits has been the be-all and end-all method for people who need an excuse. Pretty disgusting!!!!

**But again, if I am paranoid enough, I would say this is a political strategy for the Clintons. The Clintons were OK with excluding Florida and Michigan when they were ahead. However, now that they are behind, they are pushing for Florida and Michigan to be counted. This puts a huge question mark on HRC's true motives. Was Florida and Michigan excluded earlier for the "just in case" fallback if she loses????

**And for the superdelegates:: It is OK if you cannot come out and endorse any candidate at this time. I just hope you are doing it for the right reasons. The decision is tough but I have full respect for those who are trying to discern what the American people wants. Delaying your endorsements out of respect for the Clintons is NOT a right reason. Government service (even for presidents) was a job that the person has chosen to serve. They should not expect a payback or gratitude from the American people (who put them in office on the first place) or the people they choose to appoint in office. On my opinion, you are in your respective positions because of your merits and ability to serve your country and not because Clintons can put a noose on your neck when the need arises.

Anonymous   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

Al Gore

Jean, South Carolina   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

I break the mold and start over in the middle of the race? When a race car driver is losing to his opponent and their is a lot at stake, do we ask the drivers to come back an start all over again? Now this is a bad solution to this race. We are asking the American People to forgive the voters who was in their right mind to vote and now that it didn't count why? When it all boils down to the fact the some people can't stand the fact that no party rules were broken and Obama is ahead, but look at all the negative and bad things Hillary has done and she is behind. Why should she come up top? Because she is a women. If this is true then who is being sexist here the DNC? Think about it and very hard because this is what you are telling the American People that you want a women who is behind and a man who has done everyting that as ask to be in this race. Ickes and Flournoy think about your values and what it means to the American People who are not Hillary women voters or supporters. We should all be equal and not separate.

Ann   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

The Clinton camp wouldn't be fighting this if Hillary were in the lead. And she claims she wants to unite the Democratic party, yet she contradicts herself every day. She should bow out gracefully with the shards of dignity she has left.

J from Detroit   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

I posted on the last article, i sat and read all of the comments made about Obama not being electable and it makes me sick that some people think Clinton is more electable than Obama. Second of all for those of you who say you would rather vote for Mccain or stay home are either lieing or just plain STUPID, there is know way in this world that people in thier right mind will vote for Mccain after what or Georgy has done to our country. We are in a war for what Nothing we couldve at least taken the gas from Iraq, but in my driveway sits my SUV because it cost more to put gas in it than it does for the payment. I repeat when i say this if Obama was a different skin color we would have no problems or he would have no problems being electable. Can someone please tell me what HRC has done in the past to make he ready for that phone call when she cant even keep her own house in order. All black americans use to say how Bill was the first black president and how well he has done for the Black americans not African we were or majority were born in the USA. To tell you the truth this is getting old, once again I dare CNN to create a poll to see the reason why they wont vote for Obama, dont balme Wright Mccain had a sponser to, only difference is Mccain was left alone after a day or so. The real reason will be is because of his skin color no matter how you look at it, add Florida and Michigan split give her 60 and give him 40 she still cant win, so guess what in 2010 we will still be in Iraq paying 12-13$ a gallon for gas living on the streets than what will we say, H&B will still be wealthy and the Mr.Bush will still be the oil guy he is, On and by that time Mrs.Mccain Will be riding the horses in the Bud commercials, Get it together people we all bleed the same blood, we all live in this country, vote with your heart and not with your eyes, Vote for the best candidate Obama,Mccain but dont let BILLHIL scare you.

west   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

Some day there will be a woman president in America, but not this woman. Amen!

EY, caglary   May 28th, 2008 2:48 pm ET

that woman is insane! she never cared about those states until she realized that she is losing!! she is so fake! she would do everything to become a president! Please just get rid of her!

I have a goldfish   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Does anyone else think she looks a lot like Christopher Walken in the movie "Sleepy Hollow" in a lot of these pictures?

D   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

The states did not obey the rules, so they have to be punished somehow. What makes me laugh is even if she gets what she wants, she still won't be ahead.Usually when you cheat, you win. But imagine, she wants to cheat….and she'll still LOSE! Now that's brainy…

Nike   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Who remember how CNN was so pro Hillary before even the campaign begun. I wish she launched a honest campaign.

She couldn't even have a permanent campaign slogan leave alone message.
We have no place for loosers in America!

SICK TO THE STOMACH   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

OBAMA HUSSEIN PAYS KIDS TO BLOG! THEY POSE AS "58 YR OLD LADY FOR OBAMA" OR "65 YR OLD WHITE AMERICAN FOR OBAMA"

WHO ARE YOU FOOLING?? CRAP CRAP CRAP.

NO ONE HAS THE TIME TO FILL A BLOG IN A MATTER OF SECONDS!!

Realistic   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Hillary's attempt to steal the election continues, but will not be tolerated. So instead she will stir up trouble so that she can run again in 2012.

Clinton / Lewinsky '12

Fly Boy   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

News Flash:

HilLiar is winning by popular vote, she comes to this number by adding ALL 50 states incl. American Idol, Dancing with the Stars and So you think you can Dance and EXCLUDING all Caucus states and taking that number times square divided by E=MC2……

Obama 08, 12 (Honest Math that really does add up)

Rove is Gay   May 28th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

This is outrageous, they broke the DNC law and they should be punish for it. NO MORE EXCUSE. YOU DRIVE FAST YOU GET TICKET, CAN"T cry and winn after it. Be an adult and accept the consequesnces of your action.

Mat   May 28th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

Obama needs to take notice of this – he needs to start campaigning like he hasn't won the nominee – he needs to talk about how he's stronger than Clinton – he needs to put out these fires – i'm sick of hearing her lies, spin and crap in the news feeds!

She's full of crap!

brenda schipper   May 28th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

yes, lets put the weaker canidate fprward. borak will lose. the media led us into war and now they have led us sheep into losing the presidency.

Carl   May 28th, 2008 2:46 pm ET

The only reason for such a move is the create the illusion to the people of Florida and Michigan that there voice is being heard, however, the support they have showed to Hillary has been neglected until found to be needed. She is as hypocritical as a typical politician, which I found very sad.

All in all, this is totally moot since we know who the nominee will be and Hillary needs to face it and bow out gracefully before she does any more damage (but I expect the worst).

I have a goldfish   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Florida and Michigan knew the rules but decided to try them anyway. Screw them and their votes. What message does it send to everyone if we even "meet them in the middle"? Granted, it was FL and MI party leaders who made the decision, and not the folks who actually wanted to make sure their vote was counted, but it just sucks to be them…they should be mad at their party officials, not the DNC or any candidate. Besides the principle, Obama didn't campaign in either state and his name wasn't even on the ballot in MI. All candidates were okay with the DNC's decision to not seat those delegates. Why has someone been working so hard on changing that now?…since they're losing? That's poor sportsmanship…I don't care which candidate would be doing this…don't be a sore loser.

steven   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Well this is so simple to me we have rules and laws put in place to govern our lives and contests, why have 2026 delegates to win why not the majority are why not who ever wins the most ststes lets change some more rules why not let who raise the most money better yet lets not have any rules let all the people in prison free are at least change there crimes to lesser ones they didnt mean to break them it was right at the time but now they see were it does not work in thier favor so let change the rule for them also sporting events should let the loser have one more chance to win our children should cry and have bad sportmenship if they lose because they should expect for the rules to be change for them to win. See the Clinton think they can move the goal post the basket, the net, the law,the rules to suit them but the message is not right is that what you stand for is that what this country stands for do the right thing stand by the freaking Rules

RB TX   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Go Hilllary, keep on fighting. Your inspiring Americans who look past words and are pursuaded by action.

Fighters For Hillary

NO DNC FLIPFLOPS   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

RULES ARE RULES.

Sorry, but certain people should be held individually accountable for the problem.

But no reason to bend rules. Just punish people that caused this mess.

R.I.F.   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

You're a little late CNN. Chuck Todd at MSNBC said this about 2 weeks ago. This, although still partically giving in to the Clinton Machine, is propaply the best way to resolve the issue and avoid a delegate fight at the Convention.

Anyone who says that they are taking their vote and giving it to the Republicans since the democrats don't want it is not reading because the RNC only counted MI & FL at 50% strength as well for breaking the rules. Also, you have to at least give Obama the uncommmitees in MI because c'mon, we all know that he would've probably carried the state in a real election or it would have at least been very tight. She's making out like a bandit if they go 50% and should accept the generous donation.

Superdelegate Bob   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Part of the rules is that there is an appeals process, which means the rules committee can decide to amend the rules. Awarding half of the MI and FL delegates is not going to change the race, just make it more likely that those states' dems will vote in November.

Don't be rigid.

Obama '08

Linda Marjason   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

I have part of Obama's new plan for the olympics. When the race begins you look forward and if you feel you can not catch up, quit the race. This new attitude would end the countless hours of sports play-offs. In October when the polls show he is behind in the race by 20 points, I expect him and all his supporters to call for him to quit. That is the American spirit or at least the "new and improved" version.

Jaybrown NY/NJ   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

HRC drives me nuts with this whole making sure the votes count, because it will favor her. It is strictly for her personal gain. I know for a fact she wouldn't be worried about those votes if it meant that Obama would over take her. She doesn't care that his name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. She just as well take all the delegates there. She's playing on the emotion of the people in FL and MI saying that every vote needs to be counted and getting them emotional about having their vote count to put pressure on the DNC so SHE can gain. Not for the sake of the people. It's so obvious. If I was in Obama's camp and she wants to boost about the popular vote, then I would find a way to count the caucuses as well. People voted there too. But she wont count them, why? Because she doesn't benefit with way. She only wants the numbers in her favor. I don't see how Hillary supporters can be proud of this woman and her childlike behavior. Obama is playing by the rules that was started in the beginning of the Primary. He has never tried to cheat the rules in his favor. FL & MI's local government failed them. It's not Obama's fault that those states decided to break the rules. Hillary signed off on the decision as the others in the party did, stating that the votes were not going to count? What changed?

Harry   May 28th, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Please get this fiasco over with. I used to be a Clinton supporter and now find both Bill and Hillary to be absolutely didgusting.

Sad   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

I now officially DESPISE Hillary and am disgusted by her tactics. She is extermely skilled at creating division and controversy….she'll do great trying to get bi-partisan support for bills. Those skills must be neccessary skills to be the president…..Bush is also an excellent divider.

Lizzy in TX   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

Hey "No Way"– you do understand that Florida VOTERS had no choice. The FL legislature changed the primary dates, not the FL Democratic party or the voters. So what were they to do?

Everybody– How would YOU feel if you were told your vote wasn't going to count? I would be livid. I would probably be at the DNC meeting raising holy heck.

For some of you loyal Obama supporters, you really need to take a lesson in Politics 101. You HAVE to look at who can carry which states… electoral votes are the ultimate call in November. You can actually win the popular vote and still lose the electoral college vote and the Presidency.

After witnessing the craziness in the TX primary caucuses (yes, we have BOTH a popular vote AND a caucus) I am a firm believer that we (and possibly ALL states) should seriously consider getting rid of the caucus process. In a caucus, it is no longer a secret ballot and people are vulnerable to being bullied and coerced by various supporters. I've been active in the party for some time, and I NEVER saw anything like what went on this Spring by many of the Obama supporters. I actually went home thinking, "Were these people trained by the Karl Rove machine??"

Bottom line, you super delegates need to take a long hard look at which candidate can carry the big electoral college states in November. Without those key states, we're toast.

Necie   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

Fact is: Clinton EXPECTED to win the Nomination Hands Down—and certainly disregarded the Jr Senator from Illinois. Now that she's getting the crap beat out of her, is millions of $$ in debt and has lost all credibility she wants to count Michigan and Florida. And she's blaming Obama when she agreed to the process. HRC…you're a hypocrite.

kenny cole   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

Why the DNC. is scare of this old lady,does she have to be the president of united sttate?this woman should get out of this race

jose   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

But Hillary, if you are the stronger candidate, please explain why:

1. You are not the front runner.

2. You are behind in every way, delegates, Super delegates, number of states won etc.

3. You have managed a very bad, and even ugly, campaign, and that you are in debt
up to your little ears.

4. Just because you say you are ahead in some the polls, does not make you the nominee.
There is a process you follow, and since you do not have the desired number of delegates,
you cannot be the nominee.

5. You have tried everything in the book to win, steal and snatch the nomination, and
despite having the advantage at the beginning, in name recognition, and money, you have
lost.

It is time you obliterated your campaign. Enough with the tears and whining.

No Hillary   May 28th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… so it means with this new arrangement Hillary still will be short on delegate count?…. In this case Hillary will argue: The LOOSER OF THE PRIMARY SHOULD BE THE NOMINEE BECAUSE U LEARN MORE BY LOOSING THAN BY WINNING…

Phillip Bunn , Bailey NC   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Hillary Clinton looks like a gerbal gnawing on a mouthful of sawdust. Everything about her is either fake, or politically manufactured for "capitol" gain.

Ratgurl   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Everyone else has accepted it…. the Clintons need to accept it now, too. Barack is the nominee. DNC, would you help her out here?

Conservative Buyer- CA   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Move the goal posts past 2025 and change it to 2209. Break the rules and make Hillary the Democratic Nominee. If she’s not the nominee then compromise and make her the VP. Please change the rules.

Signed,

The Republicans

Shame Shame Hillary   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

If you cry long enough, throw tantrums and scream "I losing this race, some give me sympathy" eventually someone begins to feel sorry for you. I don't, She is not a women of her word. I don't want a sore loser in White House, the minute she has PMS she scream at Bill to handle things for while she pops an advil. Hillary you need to take a back seat with all you so called experience and mis-spoken words and watch Obama take it like a man, win or lose. Florida and Michigan I'm sorry for the struggle you ar facing but rules are rules and long before the choice came down to Obama and Hillary no one complained about it then, Super Tuesday made Hillary a desperate women.

Jimmy   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

CLINTON MUST DEMAND LOYALTY FROM HER SUPPORTERS AFTER BARACK GETS THE NOMINATION IF THE DEMOCRATICS EXPECT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER!

nathan for hilary   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Hilary won the electoral map for general election. Obama doesn't ! who is winning electoral college votes? – Hilary more than 300 electoral votes
Obama only win 217 electoral college votes.!

Marilyn   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

If Florida and Michigan are ignored these will be McCain states in November. People expect their votes to be counted!

Conservative Buyer- CA   May 28th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Democrats need to show some spine by abiding the rules setforth for this Primary.

The Primary goal of 2025 should be preserved but should seat Florida an Michigan delegates after the following Tuesday. DNC should recognize FL and MI delegation while preserving the Democratic Primary goal at 2025.

Any different outcome that results in moving the goal posts will fallout to be the most scrutinized election. This will not be scrutinized by only Republicans but by other nations whom are especially against democracy. It will look like we Americans cannot comply and deviate from our own rules, while rewriting the rules only to suit our best interests.

Should the magic number be altered then it wont matter who becomes the Democratic Nominee. It will be a shame and the Republicans are going to have a field day on whoever the Democratic Nominee turns out to be.

People are you listening   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

To Clinton supporters:

I just want to make sure I understand your logic for the popular vote.

Don't count caucuses because the disenfranchise to many voters who had a legitimate chance to come out and voice their opinion.

Count MI and Fl though because is was a valid primary nevermind the 100,000 of voters that where told their votes would not count. And in michigan their candidate was not on the ballot.

Disenfranchise when it benefits me but don't disenfranchise if it does not help me.

I am so confused somebody please help.

oil rules   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

The dems whined like crazy when they accused the GOP of disenfranchishing Floridians and 'stealing' the election from Al. Now they are cyring because they aren't allowed to to disenfranchise the Floridians. HAHA, what irony and hyprocrisy. And as for this 1/2 of the delegates seated, I thought they always gave 3/5?? Yes, there were rules to follow, but those rules cost Floridians an absolutely worthless vote. Vote for McCain, he's practically a liberal anyway and it will give some balance for the next four years. Otherwise, grab your wallet and get ready to be taken for a big ride. I wonder if Obama's uncle can find a solution?

yvonne   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Only way I can comprehend all this, is that some people owe the Clintons. Hillary, As long as I owe you, you won't be broke. Should have checked my credit before I went in debt to you. Now just find some space and add yourself

jp   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

"The sources did not want to be identified because the full committee has not yet discussed the problem or ruled on it."

In other words, two people of unknown position think, for whatever partisan reason, that the MI and FL delegations will be seated halfway. Thanks for that informative tidbit.

Elisabeth   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Rules are defenders of Fools.

ellianna   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Look out, Denver! Here THEY come!! Get a ring-side seat!! Yes, at this point, the democratic primary is indeed a CIRCUS!! Be prepared to see Hillary LIVE on the HIGH WIRE!! After all, she has been walking that tight rope for quite some time now!! She's sure to take a BIG FALL in Denver, IF SHE GETS THAT FAR!! It appears when your political career, respect (for others and mostly yourself), your husband, and your millions are ON THE LINE — you HAVE to present a picture-perfect LOSS!! Why care if you have torn the Democratic Party completely apart. Next time, you can run as a Republican, or an Independent, or "she'll think of something"!!! And most importantly, who cares about your oponent, (who by the way has already WON THE NOMINATION)!! when YOU ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR HUSBAND, AND OF COURSE YOURSELF!!

Carmen, North Carolina   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

If you are going to be fair then it should be a 50/50 split. Now what you can say that all the ones that was told their votes wouldn't count is left out of this scenario, so what would that mean. This is crazy to let Hillary take all the credit for a stupid mistake by Ickes and Flournoy. People let's play by the rules or not at all. Remember people have to vote in November so you don't want to make the voters angry. So you change the rules for the whinners but what happens to the one who are not whinning? Make them made and Hillary still don't win and when she comes back in 2012 no one will vote for her forsure.

sammy megnin, nj   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

I have written to the DNC as I hope everyone else has done. To not seat the delegates and to not count the votes in Florida and Michigan would be castastropic. What would we ever say to these voters again? It was not their fault their votes didn't count. It was the DNC and the legislatures from those states. So the states broke the rules and voted early. They wanted to make a difference in the campaign. Well, I guess they are now anyway. And don't say rules are rules, or we must punish them. Who are we talking to, kindergarteners? Stop already! Rules were made to be broken, so they broke them. People came out and voted and if the votes were taken today, Hillary would get a larger share in FL anyway. And Obama isn't doing good in MI either. So seat the share that they got and be done with it. If you want to punish anyone, try the Obama camp. We could have had revotes by now, paid for by my governor no less, Gov. Corzine, and this would have all been over by now.

Hillary is the stronger candidate. We all know it. The DNC knows it. The media knows it. But what, we don't want the black man to lose for some reason? Well, if he wins now, he'll lose later anyway. Great job! We can all thank ourselves then. And you better believe the polls that 32% of Hillary's voters will vote for McCain and the rest of us will stay home. That percentage has only gotten higher with each race. And it won't make any difference what Hillary says. We are not voting for a lying, say whatever you want, make up stories, disowning your family, supposedly Christian( not in my book) shady character from the south side of Chicago. Obama tries to keep his hands clean throughout the campaign and his supporters do his dirty work. Grow up Obama and come and see us when you own up to your words and your wife's words. Different politician my b****. The only difference you have is you have NO experience. Keep talking, every week it's something new you have to apologize for. Sounds like verbal abuse to me. And this comes from one of the small town thinking, bitter middle american, "throw your grandmother" under the bus, "typical white woman. Our numbers are growing DNC. Watch for us.

larry buchas   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

LIAR, LIAR!

Pants Suit on fire!

She can't even claim the popular vote (unless you exclude Barack in Michigan and caucus states that don't include vote totals).

We already had 16 years of lies from Clinton & Bush.

Vladimir for Obama.   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Mccain please keep your friendship with Bush, because u will go work for him again, also we can't afford have u in white house.

Elisabeth   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

Rooles are defenders of Fools.

jfs Memhis, Tn   May 28th, 2008 2:42 pm ET

If they DO they can count me out. NO PARTY NEEDS TO KISS THE CLINTON"S SWEET XXXXXXOOO 's for anything. You will only continue to encourage the disrespect that you are getting not only from the Clinton's …But…also their supporters. You will mend NOTHING….you will only encourage this silly divisive Crap to go on !!!!!!! OBAMA has won support our candidate NOT your Washington Cronies!!!!!

Mat   May 28th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

What a surprise – Clinton crys enough and people bend over! I agree that FL and MI should have some say in the decision – however this same principle is ignored by Clinton who claims Caurcus states shouldn't be counted! She'll twist and spin anything to get the votes!

Seat half, that's fine – it won't be enough, it shouldn't be enough, and come June 3rd if she's still claiming she's going 'all the way' the superdelegates need to stand up to her and her bully husband and make their decision!

I hate how this is being dragged out – it's shamefull and does nothing but highlight how inept the DNC is and why when there is a political dog fight between the GOP and DNC, Democrats roll over and take it!

Enough is enough – they broke rules, Clinton was all about that until she needed the votes – now it's all about letting everyone vote – and breaking rules doesn't matter – BS -

art   May 28th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

Your stupid delegate thing is bogus and you know it. She will get the popular vote and that is the most important thing. If the pledge delegates are issued propotionatly like you say, then she should also have the most of them. That is alright. We Hillary voters will just have to live with McCain. There is no way on god's green earth we will vote for that other thing, whatever he calls himself today.

HILLARY or MCCAIN 2008 !!!

Either way at least we still have a country.

Vladimir for Obama.   May 28th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

Yes, we can believe in changes United States of American.
I like very deeply the former president Bill Clinton, but I love very much
Sen: Obama, because I feel that he will bring a change in whole American, also youth like me will dream beyond of the sky.

Mccain please keep your friendship with Bush, because u will go work for him again, also we can afford have u in white house.

nannie bouroughs, Kenosha, WI   May 28th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

Remember, Senator Obama campaigned in FL by targeting the state with National TV ads for 2 weeks before the FL election. So, he did campaign there…

Remember, the DNC rule that states: "Any candidate who campaigns in a state he/she has made a commitment not to campaign in, will forfeit all delegates from that state…”

Remember, the wise and great judgment of Senator Obama when he actually used campaign money – you had to pay to get your name removed from the ballot in MI; Senator Dodd didn’t have the money so he left his name on – to get his name off of the ballot in MI: the DNC did NOT require this action by the candidates…

Remember, Senator Obama and his cronies in the MI Legislature shut down any attempt to have a revote that the Clinton campaign was going to pay for…

Remember, JUSTICE has been KIDNAPPED and hidden in the LETTER OF THE LAW…

Tired of the Clintons   May 28th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

We are so tired of the Clintons moving the goalposts and setting the agenda. Go away!!!

Save the party   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

All those Obama supporters are not using their brains and so does DNC. The guy is very clever, he invokes his mother's and grandparents name to cater to white audiences and his father's to get the black votes. A person who could not visit his dying mother reflects how much respect he had for his mother. His wife became proud American only recently forgetting what America has given to them. What an average US citizen can expect from him. Foolish people still follow him.

Jules   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

This woman is sick. She needs some doctors. She can stand that she is losing the race.Please Hillary get-out. You are hurting Obama and the 3rd party.

Melinda Charlotte, NC   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

There is no scenario under which the voters of two of the largest states in this country should be disenfranchised. Rules or no rules. Options were laid out for revotes months ago, and they were stalled by the Obama campaign. No Democtic nominee is legitimate when two states are no counted, and there can be no party unity when this issue is unresolved. No matter the compromise this Saturday by the RBC, it is serving to disenfranchise voters. Disenfranchisement = Republican victory. Practice saying President McCain.

Clinton supporter   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

If an NFL player spikes the ball in frustration and gets called for an unsportsmanlike penalty, does he get kicked out of the game? Does his team lose? NO. They get penalized.

People break the rules all the time. Would you like to have your license taken away permanently because of speeding? Would you like to be thrown in jail for littering?

When it's over, it's over. But it isn't over YET.

CLINTON '08

Chris Jones   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

SUPERDELEGATES can end this tomorrow. Why are you going to reward the two states that broke the RULES KNOWINGLY. Yeah officer I was speeding and read the speed limit, but I am not going to get or pay a ticket. WHAT, Hilary you have nothing, and it's funny from beginning you said Florida and Michigan will not count due to breaking the rules, Now it's different when that is your last hope at losing a closer race to the NEW NOMINEE. GOBAMA

Shalauddin Ahmed   May 28th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

Hello Dem. Supporeters,

Where is the loyalty & unity? Is candidate above the party loyalty — if answer yes, then know that party is doomed in this year election with key is in Sen. Clinton's hand.

Canadian Girl   May 28th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

Florida and Michigan, like all the others States were advised of the rules prior to holding their States primaries. They, as a state, chose not to abide by these rules, and they must now pay the consequences. Likewise, Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton were advised of the rules in which these Presidential contest would be played. They were advised that the votes in Florida and Michigan would not count as these States did not abide by the party rules. Each agreed. A candidate well aware of the rules cannot seek to change these rules after the fact, and when they find themselves behind. Mrs. Clinton's opportunity to disagree was in October 2007. Instead of signing the paper that stated she agreed that these two States violated the rules of the DNC, and their votes would not count, it was at that time that she should have piped up and said, "Whoa! No, no, no, no, no … I do not agree with this." Her concern about disinfranchising voters in these two States should have occured immediately, yet it didn't. Why? Because she was so overconfident that she would be named the nominee by Super Tuesday, she figured she would never need those delegates. But then a fellow candidate suddenly took over the lead. A candidate that didn't write off States, that concentrated on the caucuses and saw their value. It is only after this change of events, that Mrs. Clinton, for the first time realized that should could not become the nominee unless she had Florida and Michigan … and then she decided it was owed to her to change the rules.

I hope the DNC sticks to their guns. Both candidates knew the rules going into this contest, and both had to play by them. There is a clear front runner. Mrs. Clinton now needs to come to terms that her dream is over.

OregonVoter   May 28th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

Keep in mind that she only "wins" the popular vote IF she ignores all the caucus states AND counts the two states who knowingly broke the rules and where the candidates never campaigned. This is ridiculous.

Chris Jones   May 28th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

SUOERDELEGATES can end this tomorrow. Why are you going to reward the two states that broke the RULES KNOWINGLY. Yeah officer I was speeding and read the speed limit, but I am not going to get or pay a ticket. WHAT, Hilary you have nothing, and it's funny from beginning you said Florida and Michigan will not count due to breaking the rules, Now it's different when that is your last hope at losing a closer race to the NEW NOMINEE. GOBAMA

Tara in Sarasota   May 28th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

count the votes and delegates IN FULL. I did not stand in line for an hour to cast my vote only to be counted by HALF.

Frances   May 28th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

And as far as the popular vote she is claiming, it would be breaking another rule because the winner is the person with the most delegates and not the most votes.

And she states that the caucus votes don't count?……………I would like to know, in what country because it's not true in the good ole USA!

Please HILLARY, GO SIT DOWN!!!

Franky   May 28th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

All I wanna say is not right it had to come to this……is not right that the citizens should be blamed for this, is just not right……..

Don't act like the voters agreed upon something because quite frnakly, they don't even know what's going on……is just not right.

Jeff Radun   May 28th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE. HE CAN'T EVEN TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS UNCLE (WRIGHT ? ) AND HIS WAR RECORD. HE HAD TO LIE TO VETERANS ON MEMORIAL DAY

nate   May 28th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

I know Clinton supporters will not be happy w a 1/2 way settlement so for them I can only offer this : HAHA!

pp   May 28th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

As an outsider, faraway from US I have been watching Democratic nomination process closely for some time as I have interest in America, what it chooses as a president and policy it follows whci inadvertantly affect the rest of the world in other worlds the humanity on this panaet earth.

There is always resistance to change, we expect good t and positive hings to happen hen we are being same as always and never thinking any thing new and so never taking any new actions but still expect..
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World is changing fast and every minute, its dynamic, its not old times when things seem to move in slow motion. Given the challenges of today there is no time to relax but tio act ( therfore as a response technology is changing so fast). my teebange r son, i have to accept is much better in many many ways than me, well not so experienced in worldly ways as I think, but they have their own different model of life, this generation is impatient for change, to do things faster and in new ways hcih i never thought exist. Lets face it, yes experience is good but is like a refernec book in library, it does not produce any thing new itself, only creative minds create new things , new way of thinking, relating , behaving and living. we can not stop the change, it will happen, you can not stop time or the new minds and new thinkings and finding new contexts and aspects we at our middle or old ages can not even iamgine. Its fact and lets accept it, with no whining or regrets. this new generation has fire in thier bellies and sparks in their eyes with such intensity, we never had or felt. its their time , but they respect and are obliged to us for all our exoerience and knowledge learnt can teach the. Lets be proud of it and see the new horizons they find for us.

this fire and determination I see in Obama' s (and many others like him all over the world s eyes ) is not same as receding old sunken eyes of past experience,.They may look vacant in some corners sometimes but it shows ther are numerous possibilities for new learnings and new ways to live ,think ,act and face the challenges. of future lsincerely hope all Americans give future a nod and feel proud what it can achieve and be apart of its evolution. rest of the world will follow it as an example .as always to make this palnet a better living place for all in. od bless us all.
Thanks for your kind attention

Lisa from VA   May 28th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

For the life of me I cannot understand this woman's way of thinking. IF they seat FL and MI the way they voted, she is still behind in delegates by a fairly large margin. So, maybe she wants to claim the popular vote….BUT…to do that she has to throw out the caucus states while counting FL and MI….thus disenfranchising the caucus state voters….how can she think this is somehow just? Also, she claims she is the one who can beat McCain when she can't seem to beat Obama….I'm so confused by her.

Sammy   May 28th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Seat half the delegates on the condition that before the convention both states put their primaries back where they were. Otherwise we will be right back here again in four years. Like it or not the states have to admit they knew they were doing, knew what the penalty would be and that they were wrong to do it.

If they dont I guarantee my state will vote to move ours up again… maybe to December. Dont laugh. If these states can successfully break the process whats to stop mine from doing the same? If it comes up for a popular vote it will have mine. Who says Iowa must go first? Party rules? What rules?

obamacrat   May 28th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Hillary cannot win without the African American vote. She's kidding herself if she thinks that she can rip off Obama and not lose the AA vote in the process. Obama cannot win because Hillary has successfully created a wedge between him and the blue collar white voters. This coupled with dems in FL not voting for Obama because Hillary has convinced them that Obama is somehow stealing the nomination. So if Hillary cannot win and Obama cannot win, this leaves John McCain as the winner by default. Thank you Hillary. Who cares if Obama's policies are 90% in-line with your own. You don't really care about ending the war and providing healthcare to everyone as much as you care about your own nomination. Otherwise you would have stepped aside weeks ago when it became apparent that you could not win without going down the desctuctive path that we are now facing. Historian will someday look back at this campaign season as a case study for how a (Republican) party can still manage to win the Whitehouse following the worst presidency of all time by one of their members.

Brad   May 28th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Someday Florida will have to learn how to run an election. They couldn't count right when Bush was elected, bought new machines to fix it, set their primary date against party rules, were told their votes wouldn't count. They held their primary anyway, got rid of the machines because they didn't work right refused to hold another primary, and to top it all off….now they are crying foul and blaming everyone but themselves. Almost a decade of screwed up elections. Maybe the people of Florida should look at who they are electing in there own state and hold them accountable first.

CNN, Pls Don't Censor!!   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

****To All DEMOCRATS: Listen to Keith Olbermann's Special Comment from his show this past Friday evening******

Jeff Radun   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

I see 8 comments and all are those hate filled Obama brats.
I really hope Hillary leaves after June and endorses Obama out of Party loyalty but then sits on nthe side lines and watches him loose in November.
Reasons why.
1) Only Obama nation says his relationship with Wright does not matter and that is only 50.5% of the demicratic party the other 49.5% who support Hillary say it does matter. Then add McCains republican supporters that is almost a 3rd of the country feel they matter

2) Only Obama nation says his wifes comments do not matter and that is only 50.5% of the demicratic party the other 49.5% who support Hillary say it does matter. Then add McCains republican supporters that is almost a 3rd of the country feel thay matter

3) Only Obama nation says his flag pin do not matter and that is only 50.5% of the demicratic party the other 49.5% who support Hillary say it does matter. Then add McCains republican supporters that is almost a 3rd of the country

4) Only Obama nation says his meeting with dictators without conditions do not matter and that is only 50.5% of the demicratic party the other 49.5% who support Hillary say it does matter. Then add McCains republican supporters that is almost a 3rd of the country

Brian from Fort Mill, S.C.   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

I think that half the delegates should be counted, just like the GOP did. This way, even if Obama gets "cheated", it won't be enough to make a difference, and he'll still get the nomination.

Either that, or seat all delegates, and split the delegates 50-50 between Clinton and Obama.

Knowing Hillary, she'd want to split them 3 ways – 1 for her, 1 for Bill, and 1 for Obama. And then she'd take Bill's. :)

Elizabeth   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

How a candidate's runs her campaign is a predictor of how she would govern. Senator Clinton has shown us that she lives and works by her own rules and listens only to those who agree with her. We have had eight years with a president who governs by his own rules and listens only to those who agree with him. The American people know that they need a president who will listen to and work with all groups. We need a uniter, not a divider. For the good of the country, the Democratic Party's Rules Committee must play by the rules they established for this campaign.

Arkansas Undertaker   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

I say dont count their votes for breaking the rules but do seat the delgates

Brian Knoxville, TN   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

I just heard the flushing sound of Barack Obama’s political career go down the toilet as I was listening to McCain’s speech in Reno.

If Barack Obama had a fraction of the judgment that he claims to have and cared at all for the Democratic Party or the future direction of our country, he would find a graceful way to exit this race, let Hillary Clinton go up against McCain, and spent the next 8 to 16 years building a resume.

For nearly two decades I have voted the Democratic Party line and, since 2004, have donated money to two Democratic candidates (one for President of the United States and one for Senator from Tennessee, both of whom lost) and to the DNC.

But this year, if I’m asked to support a candidate who has zero experience for the most important job in our country, I will become a McCain Democrat.

It’s not too late…

HILLARY CLINTON ’08

Fredrick-London   May 28th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

I dont know if the Clintons & their Suporters take time to read these Comments!!!
May-be May-be can help them to understand

Old Women from Minnesota for Barack   May 28th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Her popular vote doesn't include caucus states. The only way to include caucus states is by delegates. So enough with the popular votes already.

CHilallas   May 28th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Enough is enough. Clinton quite. I supported you prior to Nov 07 but i am sorry to say that you disappointed me by allowing a rooker to outwit you. Go figure. Go Obama Go.

Gord   May 28th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

I love watching the Democrat gong show. And to think – they want to run the country. hahahahaha.

Liliana   May 28th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Stil don't understand why not voting again in Mi and Fl again, just to keep that big, white, hard-working mouth shut!

unions are not stupid   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

she cares about no one but herself! These votes did not matter till she needed them! they broke the rules and several members of her campaign were on the committee that stripped these two states of there delegates. She did not even want to campaign until after super tuesday when she knew she was in trouble. went to no small states. and said they did not matter in November anyway! At this point her and her husband are like a Perisite in the democratic party. She is thought to be untrustworthy but 60% of the country and nothing brings out GOP voters like a Clinton name on a ballot,They absolutely hate the Clinton's, and there is a large number of Democrats starting to feel the same way.

Letha, SD   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

The Obamanation groupies have to be the stupidest people on earth. Do any of you have the brains of a gopher? YOU and YOUR comments about this race are what is dividing this party. Do any of you know more than hate?

Roland Martin   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

In the past few days, her surrogates, and even Clinton herself, have ramped up the talk about sexism. There is little doubt that she is trying to stir the ire of her female base and push them to demand that she either be the nominee or be given the vice president slot. But it's really about the former rather than the latter.

In Florida on Wednesday, she invoked slavery and the epic civil rights battle against Jim Crow in her quest to count the vote in Florida as-is.

Forget the fact that she once said the states wouldn't matter because they broke the rules.

Forget the fact that many of her supporters on the Democratic National Committee's rules committee supported the stripping of delegates in Michigan and Florida.

And forget the fact that her chief supporter in Michigan, Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, signed the bill into law that allowed the state to move up its primary.

Clinton and her supporters now discount all of that and act as if they were always champions of the "disenfranchised" voters in Florida and Michigan. But they weren't. And the record is clear. Only when it became apparent that she needed the states' delegates to close the gap with Obama did she change her tune. She said one thing in Iowa and New Hampshire and now is saying something else.

The Clintonites don't want any compromises in Michigan and Florida. They want the results to stay the same, even though Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan and all candidates signed an agreement not to campaign in those two states.

virginia nielsen   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

I don't know where this woman is getting this polls results saying that Obama would lose to McBomb!!! Even my dog would beat him in November !!! Stop this war !!! OBAMA 2008-2012 !!!

Mark from Seattle   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

She doesn't understand reality: that she trails in every count, popular vote, delegate count, state count. She will even lie and say that she wants all people to have a chance to vote in order to let Florida and Michigan vote for her. Yet, when she counts the popular vote she leaves out all the caucus states, one of which I live in! Why don't you want my voice to be heard Hillary… oh, I know, it's because I didn't vote for you.

Nancy   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Diane writes:

I so hate pant suits now. I am calling for a National Pant Suit Burning Day!

Maybe Diane you should watch something else, I don't watch this crap all the time and I don't hate pant suites. You are way too involved in watching the media all the time if you hate pant suites.

Mary-PA   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

If the DNC decides to count FL and MI, after they CHOSE to break the rules, when they KNEW what the consequences would be is like telling every other state "Go ahead and move your primaries up as much as you like. Don't pay attention to any threats from us because we won't follow through anyway". If that's the way it's going to be then the primaries need to be run like the election and have them all on 1 day. Then we won't have all this crap going on. However, in the meantime, the rules were set, the states and candidates knew the rules ahead of time and Hillary is only worried about disenfrancising voters now because she is behind. She sure didn't worry about it at the beginning of the race, she even said the votes wouldn't count. I am so sick of her crap and change the rules to suit me mentality. This is certainly not the mentality I want in the person to lead the county. We've had enough of that for the past 8 years. Bush and Clinton are like 2 peas in a pod. Only worried about themselves.

Just Curious   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

If she's showing her best side now, how much more selfishness would we get to see if she got into the oval office? I honestly can't believe this is happening. I hope after this coming weekend, she accepts that this is a done deal, she lost, get over it and move on. If she really wanted to do so much good, she's still a US senator – that's not exactly something to sneeze at. Must she have ALL the power before she's satisfied? Sheesh!

Miss James if You're Nasty   May 28th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

What happened to "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"? I guess that's only befitting when it applies to someone other than a Clinton.

Where are Barack's 3 new Super Delegates, CNN? Two from Oregan and one from Guam.

Let's put an end to this nonsense!

I FEEL SORRY FOR PARENTS   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

I FEEL SORRY FOR PARENTS WHO SUPPORT BREAKING RULES!! YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO RULE YOU!!!

mbgoldie   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

I'm from Florida so all you people out there saying rules can't be broken are full of crap. Besides, it was the republicans who changed the rules in FL and moved our primary up. Make our votes count please!

Tim   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

Nothing short of giving Hillaryb ALLL delegates in both states is going to satisfy her supporters. That would be unfair and they know it. They dont want a compromise. They just want another reasonn to take it to the convention and further destroy their party.

Sore Losers are never admired by anyone. If you cant lose with dignity, then you are just a worthless piece of crap. Dont expect anyone to talk to or care about how you feeel. Because we no longer do.
If we really had evidence this is a temporary anger thing, I woulkd reach out to her supporters. But now they are just mindless lemmings and sheep. Screw 'em.
6 more days and the arguments run out and the depression sets in for her supporters.
CAnt wait! I will sit back and hear the crying, while I sip my wine, nibble on cheese and read an intellectually stimulating book on the hypocrisy of feminism and the need to have appalacia progress beyond a 6th grade education

Paula   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

She favors Miss Piggy in this photo. Never could trust a dirty pig. Always sling mud…

Brian   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

Obama's more likely to lose, Hillary? Well, I think you're more likely to lose… know why? BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY LOST.

Dave W.   May 28th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

Hillary's campaign manager was one of the people to decide the punishment for Florida and Michigan. Hillary agreed to this and signed a document along with all of the other candidates. These are undisputable facts. Here are a few questions for Hillary, or any of her supporters:
- How can Hillary and her supporters blame Obama for the votes not counting in those states?
-How can Hillary say that every vote must count including Michigan and Florida, but not caucus states?
-How can she say that the electio n process is not fair, when her husband won this same process 16 years ago?
-How come when Hillary wanted a re-vote in Michigan and Florida, she only wanted people who voted the first time to be able to re-vote even though alot of people thought their first vote would not count and did not vote?( sorry if this one is confusing)
I am not rying to be rude, I would just like these questions answered.

Dave Was

j.m. pa   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

no matter what they say or do it won't suit bill wants back in so he can look for more girl toys if obama chooses her as a running mate i for one stays home election day it will probably be cold that day anyway

Frances   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

WHY SHOULD THE DNC COMPROMISE??? FL and MI broke the rules. The elected officials in each state knew in September 2007 they woud be stripped of their delegates if they moved their primary dates up but they did anyway. The people of FL and MI should vote for other officals and not blame it on the DNC.

AND MISS HILLARY IS A DISGRACE TO THE AMERICAN POLITCAL PROCESS. She agreed with DNC to strip them of their delegates but now that she is losing she needs them. DOESN'T ANYONE SEE THIS??

ALSO, has anyone thought about how many people didn't show up to vote because the process had been ruled illegal? Their might have been millions of votes for OBAMA that didn't even go to the polls. Also, OBAMA was practically an unknown in January of 2008 who didn't get the chance to campaign in FL and his name was not on the ballot in MI. How could any of this be far? HIllary on the other hand was the wife of an 2 term ex-president and EVERYONE knew her already.

I don't know why the DNC is allowing Hillary and her cheating supporters to get anything out of FL and MI.

TOO Bad for all of them.

Vig   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

It's inconceivable that a political neophyte with a gift for words would seriously be considered a candidate for the Presidency. Obama's "story" yesterday about his "uncle" was full of holes. While others see this man in glowing honesty, I find him to be disingenuious. If that "story" had deep personal meaning would he have mixed up the name of a death camp?????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously, his campaign handlers are digging up any story that will ingratiate him to the voters. If Obama gets the nomination, I'm sitting out the election. Not only that, but if he gets in, prepare yourselves for another 9/11.

anna   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

She is making me SICK!!! Please somebody tell her….

Robyn (Jacksonville, FL)   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

Florida voters knew well before January that our delegates were stripped and our primary votes were pointless. Who are these 1.3 million people who went and voted anyway? What about all of us who had better things to do that day than cast a vote we were told would not be counted?

Willie Widdershim   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

Personally, i feel the best way to resolve Michigan is to seat the delegates 50/50 and take the Uncommitted votes as votes against Hillary and remove that number from her popular vote total. then the delegates will be seated and hillary will get a boost in the popular vote, but not the ridiculous one she's pushing for.

i still don't think that this is fair as so many people who would have voted in that primary opted against it or chose to vote in the republican primary instead, but i do think that this is an acceptable compromise.

MI Women 4 Obama!   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

A 50/50 slit is more than fair for either candidate seeing as the states are the ones who broke the rules. I think both Barack and Hillary want to see the states represented and the people in the states would like our votes counted. The people in both Mi & Fl need to not elect the same officials that did this to us in the first place.

Either way….DNC and SUPERS….send the lunatic Clinton's home.

All Dems need to rally around Barack and take back the Whitehouse in November.

Obama 08/12 !!!!!!!!!

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!   May 28th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

I know this comment won't be posted but what the HELL happen to rules?? This society is really teaching the kids you DON't have to play by the rules, all you have to do is cry and the world will give you what you want!!!

I don't only feel sorry for the democratic party but I feel extremely sorry for the parents who support breaking rules, your kids are going to KICK YOUR A@$!!!!

Nancy   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

What gets me is they agreed not to campaign in either of these states and Hillary did not, however Obama did have a commercial ithat ran n one of them i don't remember which state it was, so that is campaigning, whether a mistake or not it did happen.

Also why did Obama take his name off the balot in Michigan but not Florida? This confuses me.

What gets me also is the fact that some say (Al Sharpton in general)they did not campaign in these states so some voters did not even come out and vote, well I don't know about these states but in Nevada when we go out and vote there is more on the ballot then just who is running for a particular office, there is also important issues for our state or city like taxes, names of persons running for local public office etc. So this to me shows if they did not come out and vote for these important local issues than they did not care enough, so maybe they should not have a say.

Shirley, Silicon Valley, CA   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

We all know that Hillary is a HYPOCRITE!

She pushes seating delegates and counting votes only because they might help her to FAKE her numbers! The Clintons cannot FOOL us!

What a DESPICABLE person she is!

mk   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

The outcome from the DNC better be just as fair to Obama as it is to Clinton – and any other candidate that was in the race at the time of the Florida and Michigan primaries that have suspended their campaign. If there is any slant towards the Clinton campaign for any reason – I will be leading my own "SC Republicans – Previously voting Democratic -but now siding against the DNC' for jerking us around unnecessarily protest.

Ralph   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

All this fighting, so Hillary can lose by a smaller margin? I can't wait until the SDs flod Obama with their votes after the 3rd, because he will still have the most delegates – what it takes to win this delegate race, as well as the legal popular vote, and the most states by 2 to 1. Those who argue, every vote should count – count for what. People didn't vote, they nominated, via a slate of delegates. Oh, what's the point? People interested in the process can educate themselves as I did, if they sincerely care. Fortunately, it is all going to end as it should, whether most people stay ignorant of the process or not..

Darrell   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

If michigan and florida should be be counted during this primary season….. then why should they count in Novemeber during the general election…… if they aren't seated at the convention in denver….. i don't think michigan and florida should vote democratic….. show them who rules:)

John   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

What did we learn in 2000 folks… the popular vote does not mean anything. Gore won the big states and still lost in the general… let's not make the same mistake twice.

Fred up north   May 28th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

Poor Hillary, She lost so much:
The support of senators who backed in her bid for the Presidency
The respect of her campaign team who threw her under the bus,
The confident of her husband ( without the blue dress )
The Kennedy family Who now hates her
women in general ,( who thinks she had a sex change and is neither male nor female
Blacks who she constantly insults( at least those educated enough to recognize it
Donors who feels that she is really vying for GOP VP.
The Rednecks who dislikes her thirst for Canadian whiskey
white working American, they know she is behind NAFTA………………/…

jyfranca   May 28th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

I beleve in my heart hillary clinton is telling the truth that obama can't win general election.My problem is that she is saying that she is the only candidate who can beat Mccain.The problem is that she has failed to beat obama, how can she beat mccain?.And also i do not care if obama loses he is not gonna be the first one to lose, Gore lost,kerry lost.If electability is the issue then we do not have need to have primaries.we could pick hillary long time before evn primaries started.I dont buy the idea that the polls show obama looses now,its very early. And polls are changing rapidly.Last year the same time hillary was leading obama by 30 points.She was leading Mccain by 20 points in genaral election.I think if hillary is a nominee until october she will be behind by 10 poiints.Hillary is the only candidate so far who has unfavourable rate higher and the only candidate who never improves her number.Sean hannity, rush limbaugh,karl rove and all republicans supports hillary now why? because they know she is the vulnerable once she becomes candidates all base of conservatives will be energized and hillary will find herself in bad spot.

Phil in KC   May 28th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

They knew the rules and they violated them any way. Hillary agreed to the rules and now wants them over-turned. Is there no accountability, no honesty?
FL & MI need to face up to the consequences of their actions and Sen. Clinton needs to stick by her original commitment to the rules.
I was originally neutral, as far as these two candidates were concerned. Neither of them was my 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice. I expected to wait out the process and support whoever won. The more I see of Sen. Clinton and the way she has conducted herself, though, the less I like her. This process has also tarnished her husband's image, in my opinion. I used to like him – but not as much now.
I'm at a point now that I am fully behind Obama and would seriously consider a vote for Nader if Clinton succeeds in this tactic.

Jeffrey, CO   May 28th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

Hillary Clinton has went 20 million dollars in debt in 15 months. How can she run the country if she can't even run a campaign?

I feel bad for Flordia and Michigan but honestly rules are established for a reason. That is why you DON'T move your primaries up. Once you agree to rules you can't change your mind. I feel bad for the voters who won't get their votes counted, but hey Hillary Clinton isn't counting my vote either because I live in a caucus state. We're all in the same boat.

Lets go with the person who is 200 delegates ahead and just call this thing over.

Either way McCain has no chance of being the next president. I think everyone forgot what happened in '06. A complete democrat take over. Republicans are old news. Bush ruined the party.

jp/michigan   May 28th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

It has to do with the rights of the American people! There are 50 states in these United States, regardless of what the DNC wants one to believe. The American voters in these states , had nothing to do with changing the primary dates. But those are the ones that are being punished. The DNC and the super delegates are and have already decided that Obama is the nominee, not the American people. For this reason Obama will fail in November. To the Democratic Party , the voters rights do not matter, so why should the American voters from Michigan and Florida care who is President.

Tammy - KCMO   May 28th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

I bet if you did a poll now asking if Obama supporters would support Clinton if she got the nomination you would get a different answer than you previously had gotten.
With all her desperate tactics and fuzzy math I don't want to see a Clinton back in office in any capacity EVER! She has pretty much ruined any chance for a woman to get elected as president for a long time to come.
If it isn't Obama as the nominee after everything the Clinton's have pulled, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate or not at all and I will never vote Democratic again if the DNC let's her steal the nomination.
There were too many people in MI and FL that didn't vote because they didn't think it would count for you to validate the results from either state. Obama isn't blocking the results from either state – he just wants them to be fair. This is something the Clinton's wouldn't know anything about.

50 y/o white independent woman

Darrell   May 28th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

I believe all delegates should be rewarded in full and all votes should be counted……..

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!

FIGHT TO THE CONVENTION, IF YOU HAVE TOO:)

Utterly Frustrated   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Please help me understand this…

(1) The states knew the rules but chose to break them.

(2) All 3 candidates signed off on an agreement stating that these results would not be counted if the states moved up their primary date.

(3) Senator Obama & Edwards were not on the ballot in Michigan.

What am I missing, DNC & fellow Democrates?

I have a strong suspicion that if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. Clinton was ahead and Obama behind), the thought process would be completely different. If Obama falls short in November, the responsibility needs to fall on Clinton for putting him in a "no-win" position.

For a former Republican voter that was looking forward to something different this year, I am extremely disappointed with Senator Clinton's behavior and blantant disregard for her party. I will be voting for Bill Barr if for whatever reason, Senator Clinton ends up on the ticket (President or VP).

Eric   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

There is no good compromise on this issue, so we'll have to settle for a bad one. I like the idea of seating the delegates with no vote on the first ballot, and full voting privileges on the second ballot — if there is one.

That way they'd be tie-breakers (perhaps). Not a great solution — but it does give those delegates some say, but also punishes their states for jumping the gun when they had agreed not to do so.

barry   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

the democratic leadership has handed the nomination to Senator Obama. They will find themselves on the outside looking in come November as Senator McCain becomes our next President. Dean, Pelosi and Reid will be shaking there heads the the democratic party will be looking for new leadership come December.

Independent   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Hillary says the superdelegates should support who they think will the better president, well that is unless she won the state, then they should be bound to listening to their constituents. When people like Richardson do this, he is labled a Judas.

Hillary says Michigan and Florida should count, well that is except for when she agreed that they wouldnt count, and only changed her mind when she realized she was losing. Only then does she claim differntly.

Hillary says let the voters decide, all the votes should be counted, well that is except for caucuses because that throws off her math, and never mind the hundreds of thousands of people in Michigan that didnt get to vote for Obama, she doesn't think they should count of course.

She keeps changing her story. You got to love the Clinton hypocrisy.

Deb   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

All votes count in a democracy!

Obama is no longer a viable candidate.

If we want to win back the White House in November we will need to offer a Main Stream Candidate who can win!

Hillary 08

Mary   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

To count all the votes is called a DEMOCRACY. Or has it been changed since Obama starting running for office?

Rudy NYC   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Howard Dean bashers need to stop. Dean inherited this mess from the previous DNC leader. That leader stepped down from his post to become Clinton's campaign manager.

That man is Terry McCauliffe.

Party Rules......   May 28th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Democrats over rule the will of the people and so goes your Credibilty

mj - Florida   May 28th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

so what happens in 4 years, other states will have no reason not to move the date of their elections . . . clearly the consequences can be negotiated.

way to go “rules” committee

Brian from Toronto   May 28th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

Why does it seem that Hillary's people will only accept a compromise when it is totally their way?

At least we now all understand why her negatives are so high and why it is said she will do anything to win. With this total lack of integrity, you have to wonder why anyone could think of her as the strongest candidate. By the way, can you get elected when 54% of the people say you are fundamentally dishonest, manipulating and a liar?

Tony Z- MD   May 28th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

What is a fair split for Clinton? According to her she will lead in delegates and polpular votes. Florida can be seated as is if necessary- Edwards pledged delegates will move to Obama. In Michigan, they just need a 50-50 split.

This just in my son had a baseball game last night. It was a supposed to be a six inning game. The home team was losing after six and they said can we continue until we win. The umpire said no that is not fair- the kids say, but why can't we change the rules because Hillary is.

John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA   May 28th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

We are almost there and when I hear this woman's death throws on June 4th, it will be a good day for everybody in America. She is crazy and I knew it along and would never vote this woman to any goverening body anywhere. Maybe mayor of La-La Land!!!

mike   May 28th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Gee…wasn't Senator Clinton ahead at the beginning of the primary season, too? If anything, this kind of lead should convince superdelegates _not_ to go with Clinton.

Enlightened Voter   May 28th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

What about the hundreds of thousands that stayed home thinking their vote didn't count? The states should not be counted as is because it is not a fair representation.

neverobama   May 28th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

People keep stating rules are rules. Lets not forget Obama did break the rules in Florida. Both candidate did agree not to campaign there and Obama released TV comercial ads. Obama's camp decided to take his name off the ballot in Michigan, the Clinton camp did not force him to do this. We should allow to seat Florida and Michigan because we will need them in the General Election. Lets not forget we will NEED FLORIDA!

Obama people stop trashing our candiate we Hillary supporters are getting pissed and we will show you in November. I see a lot of blogs stating Hillary is dividing this party. I am sorry but it is Obama who has done this NOT HIllary. The Obama Camp claims the Clinton did so much race baiting (which we know it is not true) the comments stated by the Clinton camp were spun out of context and not to mention the Obama camp thrived because of this. The reason Obama has 90% of the African American vote is because he is black. He does not have the qualifications to be our next President.

The truth is race is a big issue and doubt very much Obama will win the General Election. The is the future of our country not some GQ contest.

Len   May 28th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Will the whining and blaming ever end!!

lulu   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

As a Hillary supporter, I am willing to accept her defeat and congratulate the Obama supporters on their win.

Now all I need to do is contact the McCain camp asking them where the "Democrats for McCain" yard signs are.

Aaahhh, to be able to sit back and watch the republicans swiftboat Obama will be a real treat this summer.

Jimbo   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Obama is not the kind of change I'm seeking. YOu can tell alot about a person based on who his supporters are. Just read some of the posts by Obamabots on CNN and other blogs and you will get a taste of what they are like. They are not uniters, they are dividers and the change they want is bad for america. They want to change America from a "pride" mentality to a "blame America first" mentality. They are distinctly anti-American in every aspect. Just look at Daily Kos, Moveon.org and the likes of Michael Moore to see who is standing behind Obama. It's scary to a conservative Democrat like me. For that reason I'll be voting for a Republican presidential candidate for the first time in my life. So will my 68 year old mother.

sheryl   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

As long as it's fair!!!!!! I really dont care what they do

Obama 08/12!!!

FreshAir   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Did someone mention this is long past over already?

hillary   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Hillary is out of reason why she should be the nominee, she lost 33 states, lost in pledged and superdelegates, now she is trying to claim florida and michgan to get the popular vote. Even is she wins the Popular vote that does not count in the general election if this was the case Al Gore would of been the president instead of Bush, so stop your spin hillary and go home.

Terrence (Winston Salem, NC)   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Diane May 28th, 2008 1:42 pm ET

I so hate pant suits now. I am calling for a National Pant Suit Burning Day!
———————————————————————————————–
Now we all know what you want for Christmas.. LOL *wink*

Chi4Obama   May 28th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

So even after a hypothetical compromise regarding FL and MI, she will still trail in delegate count.
What will she attempt to argue next?

BTW CNN it's still not too late to report on the upcoming PETER PAUL VS. CLINTON TRIAL. You know the one that the mainstream media has chosen to ignore…(Google PETER PAUL VS. CLINTON)

If Obama can receive a headline story misstating the name of a concentration camp. Then surely the fact that a former President/First lady are being sued for Fraud would be a story of note.

Rolanda From Memphis   May 28th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

Yeah cnn moderate that since you never post my comments anyway…..

CNN= Clinton News Network!!!!!

Don't worry Barack God has your back! You will win despite all Clinton is doing!

Josh   May 28th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

Why can't they give Hillary all of Michigan's delegates?

HE HAD THE FREAKIN CHANCE TO PUT HIS FREAKIN NAME ON THE BALLOT?

WHY THE H*** DIDN'T HE??!!!

THAT WAS HIS CONSCIENCE DECISION!

HILLARY OR MCCAIN '08/'12!

Bob   May 28th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

You are delusional, just as bad as a crazy republican blindly defending Bush. Give it up, she lost fair and square. Go away Clintonities,Please go away!

Rolanda From Memphis   May 28th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

Don for Obama May 28th, 2008 1:43 pm ET

From what I know, the popular vote does not

count in November, so why should that be her sole argument, will she be

telling McCain to give up the presidency in November if she won the

popular vote and lost the electoral college votes?

Answer: YES

the Beyotch is CRAZY!!!!!!

Kuilor2k   May 28th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

Senator Obama announces new fifty-seven state strategy. Since he apparently knows about 7 more states that other candidates do not seem to have information about, he expects to win a land-slide victory over former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich in the November election.

Michael   May 28th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

It is so disingenuous of the Clinton campaign to cry foul on MIchigan and Florida saying that all the votes need to count when A. she agreed to the original rules and B. she goes through and completely discounts 14 states because they are caucus states. She's grasping at straws, she's desperate and at some point she needs to realize that she lost. Obama played by the rules he ran a fabulous campaign overcoming monstrous odds running against a near incumbent, and he's come out on top. The Super delegates would be forced to overturn the results of the primaries and caucuses, is this really how we want the presidential candidate chosen?

Susan   May 28th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

I can't stand this woman anymore! Screw her and her sense of entitlement! DO NOT seat those delegates DNC or you will have some serious problems on your hands in the U.S.!

Elana, Melbourne Florida   May 28th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

Sore Loser is not a quality i would like to see in a president. Neither is vindictive, manipulative and selfish. Why can't just ONE person interview Hillary and ask her why she thinks the Florida and Michigan votes should count. If she thought that, why in the world did she sign the pledge that vowed they would not count. I would LOVE to see her stammer her way out of that one- and NO ONE HAS EVER JUST FLAT OUT ASKED HER WHY SHE SIGNED THE PLEDGE…it makes me insane! we all know that if she lost those two states we would never hear about them- can't anyone see she does NOT care about the voters…and by the way…I live in florida!!!!!!!

Lanny Davis   May 28th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

I will be leaving the party for good if they give in an inch on this. Democrats have had testicular fortitude issues in the last few election cycles. Any compromise is a so weak I will be forced to to do the unthinkable and disavow the party, I don't care if Obama's nomination is intact or not. I can't support the weakness.

goodcitizen   May 28th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

People's voices must be heard!!! This is the right way to save the party.

MK   May 28th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

How does one "win" — much less "decisively" — when your opponent isn't on the freaking ballot? The voters of Michigan and Florida should indeed be angry, but not with Obama or the DNC. They should be mad at their state party officials.

Oregon   May 28th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

Reduce FL and MI delegates by half. Award remaining delegates in proportion to results from the primaries that complied with the rules.

Rudy NYC   May 28th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

While there are countless ways in which this could turn out, there is really one fair result. As I have been posting for weeks, at best only half of the delegates will get seated. Camp Clinton can complain in the public eye about this is unfair or that is unfair, but the fact remains that when the door closes to begin the RBC meeting Camp Clinton will have to accept the rules they had signed on to. Rules which a couple of Camp Clinton's biggest advisors helped write or enforce.; i.e. Terry McCauliffe to name just one.

Camp Obama has withheld their ace cards in regards to Michigan. The Michigan change included a new provision that write-in candidates could not keep their delegates unless they outright won 2/3 of the vote. A law signed into law by Michigan's governer, another Clinton supporter. As noted in the above article, all candidates were supposed to have removed their names from Michigan.

Technically, it can be argued that Clinton's name was on the ballot illegally in violation of DNC rules and signed agreements. Camp Clinton cannot even argue that her name was on ballot as a write-in, because she would not be able to keep her delegates as per Michigan law.

Whatever happens behind those close doors it will be not be a fight that has been painted in HRC's campaign speeches. It promises to be a gloves off fight for sure. It also promises to be a fight where Camp Clinton is going to spend most of the fight in the corner getting beat up if they do not conform to their prior signed agreements.

Chris   May 28th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

And Hillary calls Obama's camp the "Bully" when it comes to Super Delegates

She only wins the popular vote if Obama gets 0 votes in MI, counts the Puerto Rican vote and 0 votes from the 12 caucus states – which according to her "math" is "fair"

Hillary said she would support whoever the nominee is – that's bull, she will rally her supporters to "make" Obama "unelectible"

Michelle - Michigan   May 28th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

As a Michigan voter, my candidate was not represented. My vote could not be tallied. One candidate was listed on our ballet, but it takes two (or more) to have a REAL race.

Hillary is the not the champion of Michigan. If she was leading candidate, rather than Obama, she would NOT be an advocate to place our delegates.

In any case, not that it matters, if we had the opportunity to have a revote; I am certain Obama would claim Michigan, as well.

DNC… The rules are the rules. A parent should never hand out a punishment it is not willing to adhere to. What then is the lessoned learned? It's okay to break the rules. To lie…? I cannot believe they are even contemplating on retracting the punishment

fred2..since another stole my name   May 28th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

I am sure the source is Donna….Screw the rules….we the people did not have a say in those rules or do we have a say in who is on the committee!!

Count them all!!!

jaime   May 28th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

all I have to say is that is what 's Barack Hussein Obama afraid of? why not count the votes of Michigan and Florida and see if he still is the nominee that you the media have crowned for some time. Those who say she can't win, they are afraid that she could. Those who push for her exit, know she won't. Can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen and besides a lot of people I know have changed their minds about Obama so expect him to lose in november.

Jo   May 28th, 2008 2:19 pm ET

They have to seat these deligates, the primary dates were moved forward by a Republican majority in the State Houses of both Michigan and Florida. The dates were out of the control of the Democratic minority.
The Obama camp does not want the deligates seated because of the impact to their candidate, which indicates that they are just as politically focused as Hillary. This is an issue of fairness and if we as a party support "every vote counts" then we must seat the deligates. If we do not than we are no better than the Republicans.

aware   May 28th, 2008 2:19 pm ET

No compromise! Count the votes! Don't canabalize your best chance DNC. You will lose the general because many Dems will switch or drop out.

Hillary Clinton is the stronger candidate for the General Election. :)

Obama flip flops, obfuscates, misinforms, exaggerates and has a problem with telling the truth. Michelle wears the pants in the Obama family and is just plain mean. :(

Dr. Truth, Boston   May 28th, 2008 2:19 pm ET

Dr. Truth, Boston May 28th, 2008 10:59 am ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Yes he will lose West Virginia – so will Clinton.
Yes he will lose Kentucky – so will Clinton.
Yes of course he will lose Arizona – so will Clinton.

I don't care that he's running behind in the polls vs. McCain. I would rather put up an honest smart upstanding American against him than a plotting deceitful manipulative arrogant liar like Clinton.

Clinton please tell your racist supporters (obviously a minority of your supporters) to grow up and accept that a capable non-white male can take care of things better than McCain. Also admit that a substantial number of voters voted for you because they wanted to stir trouble and will certainly be voting McCain in the fall.

She is just so used to things coming so easy to her she can't believe that this half black guy named Hussein Obama can be beating her even with the benefit of the "Clinton" lable.

jonny   May 28th, 2008 2:19 pm ET

"Clinton: Obama more likely to lose" I would just like to say that Clinton is the most likely to lose BECAUSE SHE ALREADY HAS LOST! If you cant win the primary, there is no way you can win the GE!

Voice of Reason   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Y'know – when I tell my kids NO, i have to stand by it. If I didnt – they'd walk all over me.

The Democratic parties of Florida and Michigan were told that they could not hold their primaries so early. They were told that if they did, their delegates would not be seated at the convention.

What did they do? They held their primaries early anyway.

Now those chickens have come home to roost. The same people who thumbed their nose at the rules want them changed in their favor.

NO.

But i WANT it!

NO.

But i REALLY REALLY REALLY want it!

Listen up Florida and Michigan Democratic parties: The answer is NO. Get a little backbone and go explain to your state party members how YOU screwed them. Maybe then they will stop blaming Obama, the DNC, Howard Dean and anyone else not in the mirror…

Isaac   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

The only way she'd be the better candidate in the general election is if only Democrats were allowed to vote in it.

Go play CNN's Delegate Game. You'll see that if the remaining contests are split 50-50 down the middle Obama only needs 5 more superdelegates to win the nomination. She needs 67% of the vote in the remaining contests and 100% of the remaining superdelegates to win.

Face it. IT IS OVER!

Chris   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

And Hillary calls Obama's camp the "Bully" when it comes to Super Delegates

She only wins the popular vote if Obama gets 0 votes in MI – which according to her "math" is "fair"

Helene   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Apply the rules ! Not the Clintons' rules but the DNC rules. The voters deserve nothing less.

CMitch, FW, TX   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Rules are rules. The people have spoken. DNC in 2000 you let Bush steal the election and did nothing, I hope this not the case with Hillary.
There should be no meeting concerning Florida & Michigan. Bill & Hillary step aside gracefully and let the new generation run this country GIVE IT UP!!!!!. NO CLINTONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

susannah jones   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

The constitution of the United States of America says that we are all allowed to vote. It is constitutionally wrong to strike the certified vote as not counting. The Florida/Michigan votes must count if we are not to look like some third world dictatorship, or worse, communist country where we are controlled by the media and the political demagogues.
The rest of the world is watching very closely especially with our presence in Iraq where we are pushing for democracy. To write off millions of votes to please the political agenda of the primary candidates and the news media is very worrying….wake up before we go even further into the double standard reputation that we are fast acquiring in the eyes of the world community
susannah jones

ChaChaCha   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Kevin, There was no PRIMARY in Fla. and Mich. because they broke the rules and they knew they would not count when they did it. SO there are no votes to count.

0 + 0 = 0

No primary. No votes.

It isn't the voters fault in the states, but the fault of those who pushed the primary's up KNOWINGLY AGAINST THE RULES AND KNOWING FULL WELL NOTHING WOULD COUNT. Sheesh. Why don't people get it? I'm sad for the people of those states. SO I say go after the people in FLA and MICH who decided to break the rules and took your votes away!!!

Farrell, Houston, Tx   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

No matter what the Democrat Party does about the delegates it won't be enough for Hillary or Bill, they will continue their blame game.

Democratic FAILURE   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Go ahead DEMS, move the goal posts for Clinton.

LOL

McCain needs a the DEM party to fracture.

Hillary's got the goods to win in Nov.   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Diane… Is that the best you can do is slam pantsuits. You are a disgrace to women.

I am so sick sick of the hypocracy of the Obama supporters… They preach let's talk about the issues, but all they do is slam Hillary's looks, her pantsuits, her laugh.

You know why you can't slam her on the issues, because she's rock solid on the issues.

Obama on the other hand… Flip flop on Iran this week. Is Iran a big threat or little threat? I guess it depends on the crowd he is pandering to. What about his made up uncle. I guess that was a pander for the Jewish vote who is fleeing the democratic party.

Obama the great uniter… Looks like our party has splintered. What's so funny is that Hillary is winning all of the Dems' swing voters who generally vote for a moderate Repulican or Democrat.

When will Dems realize, they can't win with a left wing nut.

Obama = Jimmy Carter (and you wonder why seniors are flocking to Hillary)

Moderate Dems for Hillary

Kenneth M   May 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Pat Waak from Colorado, Meredith Wood Smith from Oregon and Ben Pangelinan from Guam ALL SEEM TOHAVE LITTLE SUPPORT FOR HILLARY. THEY JUST ENDORSED OBAMA

Grady   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

What kills me is the people who are actually responsible for this mess (the governments of Florida and Michigan) are sitting back laughing while everybody else takes the heat. It sure would be poetic if Crist gets the veep and and the angry voters in Florida took out on HIM in the GE.

Dave P: Iowa City, IA   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

I am headed out to rob a bank, I think I can persuade them to understand (if I get caught) that I just needed the money so shouldn't be punished.

How can we expect society to understand the rules if they don't count for anything???

Dave, soon to be an ex-Democrat

Jerry   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

Hillary need to be mad with Florida and Michigan republicans how they going to change the rules in the demoncratic party someone need to suit them for invading the demoncratic election rules, Hillary you are pittiful person I hope you do not get elected as a senator in Ny your time is up, American people are really upset with Hillary and some of the old politicain who is not forceing her out of the race are they scared of her.

Connie   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

The Perfect solution!

This is the second time FL has mess up the voting. They should not be counted and they shouldn’t be able to participate in the general either. Get ready for some more mess in the general election.

Is it to much sun and the brains are fried?

white woman for Obama   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

Please get this race over with, we are getting so disgusted with the clintons, it is just horrible. They are totally for nothing but themselves! They care less about the american people, care less about the democratic party and they lie. Why are we still dealing wit them? because idiots in some states, uneducated and gullable listen to them, believe what they say and vote for her out of ignorance. The Clintons know how to prey on the less fortunate and negative to get enough votes to keep her going. They are disgusting!

Dennis   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

I support Senator Obama. I suggest the DNC follow's the RNC's lead and seat half of the delegates from each state. The DNC then has not "disenfranchised" anyone (and I don't believe they did by stripping the states of their delegates). Furthermore, seating half the delegates doesn't change the result of the nomination process to this point. The one thing that must be negotiated is how to award Michigan's delegates as Senator Obama followed the desires of the party by removing his name from the ballot. Because the "uncommitted vote" was clearly not for Senator Clinton, and Senator Edwards has endorsed Senator Obama, I suggest all the delegates for that percentage of the vote should be awarded to Senator Obama.

If they decide to take the extreme measure of awarding all the delegates as they were voted, then it still doesn't change the outcome. Senator Obama is still in the lead.

Frenchman   May 28th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

Hillary will be sleeping with the fishes real soon.

You'll see, it will be quick. I'm going to have a good laugh, you should join me.

Patty   May 28th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

I can't believe you people who hate Hillary so much are wasting your time reading and blogging about her. Must be something you are afraid of – maybe she will win. I am glad I am not a part of the Obama supporters who are so mean, nasty and hatefull. Why are you so afraid of the process playing out??????

jonny   May 28th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

Hillary has become selfish and pathetic, and should be ignored. Don't read articles about her or talk about her, just post about the 2 REAL candidates (Obama or McCain). Clinton is out, and we should stop letting her pretend she is in the race. She is LOVING all this attention, even if it is negative.

MurphyMorseJohnson   May 28th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

Thus far the DNC has done the right thing. It has stuck to its guns on rules that all of the presidential candidates agreed to beforehand by signature in order to enter the race as Democratic Party candidates. When Florida and Michigan broke the rules, Obama, not the Clintons, has lived up to rules as a team playing Democratic Party candidate. Because they will lose the nomination if the rules are followed, the Clintons propose to break the rules. This is the nature of the Clintons-dishonest, cheats, and, with baggage like this, the Clintons are less likely to win the general election.

RP   May 28th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

Since we are now in the business of discarding caucuses, I would suggest that we subtract all Clinton supporters that will vote for McCain if she doesn't become the nominee. Obviously, these folks have no business in determining the nominee of the Democratic Party. If you vote for McCain, you do not count in the popular vote.

Matt   May 28th, 2008 2:16 pm ET

She signed off on the rules. It's on camera that she agreed with the ruling of the DNC. She needs to stop acting like she is some holy saviour of the voter's rights in MI and FL. People also need to get off Obama about not supporting them…which is ridiculous. From the start he has said that they could negotiate some kind of inclusion that will be in the best interest of both candidates. Never once has he said that MI and FL don't and shouldn't count. He supported the original action taken by the DNC but feels the same way Hillary does…that their voice does matter.

Debbie,NJ   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

Give her Florida votes. She still won't win. ANd while we're changing rules in the middle of an election count the votes from the causcus states that Obama won. He will slaughter her.

Nothing but........   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

Nothing but a revote that Florida and Michigan deserves. don't allow democracy to fall.

Tim   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

It won't work!!!

Obama 08/12

Unbelievable   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

Diane your comment is hilarious! No more pantsuits! No more pantsuits! Laughing!!!!

Tommy   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

Remember the Obama campaign person who called Hillary "a monster?" At the time, I did not think someone should have used a description like that. Now, I think it was prophetic!

As You   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

What's going on there? What is that woman looking for exactly?
There is now way the DEM. Party leaders can stop this division/destruction?

Enough Already   May 28th, 2008 2:15 pm ET

By now it's painfully obvious to even the most delusional Hillary supporter that the only way Clinton could possibly win–unlikely as it is–would be by pulling some underhanded, Nixonian trick. Were that to happen, the Obama supporters who magnanimously claim in polls they'd vote for her if she became the nominee would move heaven and earth to see she lost the election.

Clinton stands to go down in history as the biggest sore loser in American politics.

Debbie,NJ   May 28th, 2008 2:14 pm ET

Don Hillary will take her drama into the GE and for the next 4 years if she wins the WH. That's why she's not going to win. There is too much at stake to play "As Hillary's world turns".

Kim from WV   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

WV Congress; please listen very carefully. in 2012, we would apreciate it if our primary is held on 2nd January. Is that clear?

Sabrina   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

Obama supporters let this play out and stop with all the nasty comments, You are suspose to be for change but most of you are just mean spirited and nasty. You all keep say Obama was not on the ballot in Mi……..Well he was but took himself off……then had surrogates working for him, send out mail saying not to vote for her but to vote un commited, also did this on the radio. That way she would not have a landside. He also advertised in Fl. with CNN. Are all Obama people working for Obama? I'm sure some of you are!!!!!!!!!!!

R.R   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

I'm worried about the Dem. Party!!!

Lisa from TX   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

Obama will still win in the delegate count and his name was not even on the ballot in Michigan. It scares me to think that Hillary has a choice to try and unite her supporters behind our candidate or she can keep doing what she's doing. Dems need a win in November. Please Hillary supporters, do whats right for OUR country.

OBAMA 08

rajah kahn   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

I agree with the compromise, the RULES have to be maintained, The Clintons do not have the POWER to change the rules.

jonny   May 28th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

Congrats to Obama for his 3 new super delegates this morning!

Chris from Delmar   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

Whatever the rules committee comes up with, I hope that they exclude the superdelegates from Michigan. Those are the nitwits that got the voters in this mess in the first place.
I have much more sympathy with the Florida superdelegates simply because to some degree they got pushed into this mess by the Republican-led legislature and the Republican governor.

meredith   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

Hey Diane who hates' pantsuits – Man, why don't you just go stomp the Flag with Ayers cause that's who you sound like – or are you a parishner from Wrights church? Your hatred is overwhelming and has no place here.

Canadian EH!   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

Boo hoo hooo She is never going to win..Such hypocro!!

Mary Sue   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

Halfway will not satisfy Hillary. Halfway will ensure a fight all the way to the convention.

The DNC should have nipped this fight about FL and MI in the bud when Hillary first raised it by standing by their original decision. Their spineless has guaranteed a convention fight and a probable Democratic loss in November.

Dave   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

I can Not wait till she has to go back to the Senate, when all her other party members get to look at her and whisper about the "sure thing" that failed.

Not to mention how hard it's going to be to find allies after the lies, and the do anything to win.

she's tossed her party under the bus, maybe they should return the favor.

Chi4Obama   May 28th, 2008 2:12 pm ET

She is like an annoying gnat, buzzing around the Democratic party. She just won't go away.

Jane, College Park, MD   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Sen Clinton's supporters are beginning to remind me of the Mafia.

gerard morei   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

DNC count all the votes, we will need those votes in November. Make Justice and let the candidate with the majority of the popular vote, win the Nomination, is that simple.

THE LONE RANGER   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

ALL HILLARY CARES ABOUT IS WINNING. BY HOOK OR CROOK. ANY METHOD, OR COMBINATION. WHAT EVER CONCESSIONS ARE MADE TO HER, SHORT OF HER BEING DECLARED THE VICTOR, WILL NOT APPEASE HER. SHE NEEDS TO BE PUT IN A STRAIGHT JACKET, MUZZLED, AND DRAGGED AWAY TO THE NEAREST PSYCHO WARD.

Rj   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

NEWS FLASH:

*** HILARY IS LEADING IN THE SWING STATE OF DENIAL***

Kevin from MN   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY January 15, 2008:

Clinton 328,151
Uncommitted 237,762
Kucinich 21,708
Gravel 2,363

How can you be serious when you say "count the votes, let the people's voices in Michigan be heard" ?!?!? Do you honestly think is accurately portrays the true voice of Michigan?!?!?

Given a choice between Clinton, Kucinich, and uncommitted…… you honestly think that every democrat in Michigan took the time to show up and help Clinton defeat this mysterious "Uncommitted" candidate??

I want to try and be nice here, and try to understand where the Clinton supporters are coming from, but I just have no idea how you can actually believe the garbage that is coming out of your mouths!

Now go ahead, turn your CAPS LOCK on, and post some garbage calling him "No-bama" or saying he is unelectable, or even claim Clinton is ahead in the popular vote…..despite the actual numbers…..

ChaChaCha   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

My prayers will be with the DNC.

Hillary is an intelligent woman who has lost because of her own mishandling of herself, MOST of ALL! She fought her way right out of the nomination. Fighters who don't know that fighting as she has usually ends with the bully fighter out and the one who is most respectful and most honest in. THAT is why I want OBAMA for PRESIDENT. We don't need a person like Hillary who doesn't know when to stop nor shut her mouth.

Sexism has nothing to do with it. She shot herself in the foot all by herself. NOW it is time to beat the pants off McCain !!!!!

mususbahu GERMANY   May 28th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Kevin but you are now behaving like somebody who lives in the third world country.did you forget that you are the ones who says third world countrys should allow the law to rule not personally.then i asked you where is your possion.you are worse than FIEDEL CASTROL..HILLARY IS ONLY THINKING OF HER SELSELF NOT THE NATION:SHE HAS BROKEN HER OWN WORDS:WHEN FLORIDA AND MICHIGA ARE ON HER FAVOUR SHE PROMISSED ALL THE MILLION AMERICANS THAT THE DELEGATES WILL NOT BE COUNTED NOW SHE IS LOSSING SHE CHANGES HER WORDS :WHICH KIND OF PRESIDENT IS THAT:SOMEBODY WHO ONLY THINK FOR HER NOT THE CONCERN OF THE PEOPLE:POOR YOU

Abby   May 28th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

Kevin, you are absolutely right…we are not in a third world country where ONLY ONE PERSON IS ON THE BALLOT AND CLAIMS VICTORY. Counting Michigan would be laughable as again, Obama was not on the ballot, Edwards was not on the ballot…you see?! What a farce…Obams's campaign may even concede Florida to appease a whining Clinton but that does not make it right …She had a well known name and as Senator Obama said, if this was a referendum on name recognition, he would have lost. That’s what campaigning is for…to get your message out and he didn’t campaign in FL per the RULES that everyone agreed on . I don’t know how seemingly intelligent people make such ridiculous arguments to serve their cause.

steve for fairness   May 28th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

All the rules should be used fairly. The rules, however, did permit new primaries in Florida and Michigan AFTER the first 4 primaries, and thus it is unfair to the citizens of those 2 states to be disinfranchised. The only person really responisble for that is Obama because Clinton was wiling to raise the money to pay for them and he and his representatives prevented them from happening. So, Clinton was wrong to say that the initial votes should count because of her prior position and it undermines the rules as people here and elsewhere have noted, but in my view Obama has been far more disrespectful to those voters in those 2 states–who did nothing wrong– because in an effort to win the nomination he has purposefully attempted to keep them from having a meaningful voice in the selection of the party's nominee. If this happens, in the fall he will lose those 2 states as that will become an issue at least in those states and based on all of the polls to date he will lose the election if he is the nominee because of those 2 states. And if that happens, who amongst you that want to keep those states from being represented will then say that it was unfair for the citizens of those states who did nothing wrong to have rejected the Democratice nominee who prevented them from having a say in the nomination process?

Ilene Michigan   May 28th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

This is not at all fair to Obama. One, he didn't campaign here. Two, he wasn't on the ballot and three…..many people didn't even bother to vote because they were told "Your vote won't count" I believe a do-over is the only fair way. Hillary would not take MI a second time around. She knows it and that is why she is pushing so hard. Go away desperate Hillary and Bill.

MELMARIE   May 28th, 2008 2:10 pm ET

This is crazy!!! Why is this woman able to set the tone of this entire primary process? Rules are rules! end of story. Everytime we allow her campaign to get away with one thing they try something else!!!

Kiah   May 28th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

How many times is this story gonna be remixed. The delegates will be seated most likely half but will be seated. HRC will NOT overtake Obama's lead and therefore will still lose. I mean this is ridiculous at this point!

Glenn   May 28th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

Obama only needs 48 delegates and/or superdelegates. Hillary and Bill have certainly earned themselves a new legacy for the 21st century: dirty politics, misspeaks, campaign debts, division and polization of the Democratic Party and egotistical, greedy and self-dillusional couple.

Suck A Bee   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

DARN IT DNC THIS IS TOTALLY OUTRAGE WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT YOU ALL WHO TOLD THEM IN ADVANCE WHAT THE RULE ARE THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT YOU CANNOT TRUSAT ANYTHING ANYBODY SAYS . WHERE IS YOUR CHARACTER DNC WHERE IS YOUR BACK BONE. DO YOU GUYS AND GIRLS OF THE DNC FOLLOW RULE SET OR DO YOU BREAK AND CHANGE THEM AS WELL. NO WONDER POEPLE SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT ALL THIS AND WATCH YOU GUYS DESTROY EACH OTHE BECAUSE EVEN THE DNC DOES'NT STANMD UP FOR ITS OWN RULES. WHAT GOOD IS HAVING CAPTAINS IF THE PLAYERS CAN MAKE CHANGES IN THE LAST PART OF THE CONTEST

Jose   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Obama-Webb!

Bill L   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Sen. Clinton likes to claim she won these two states. Why does no one mention the voters who stayed home in MI and FL and did not vote because they were told the votes would not count? They believed the rules would be followed by the Party.
Who would these people have voted for? How can anyone claim that these totals are "fair" and "just" particularly when only one candidate was on the ballot in MI?

Barbara - 65 yr old white female in NC   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Oh – send McShame with them – they can practice their lies and whining on each other.

Kenneth M   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

THEY SHOULD REDUCE THE INFLUENCE OF EACH STATE BY 50%. THERE IS NO WAY LAW BREAKING STATES SHOULD TIP THE SCALE IN THIS ELECTION.

NC for Obama   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Clinton wants to change the rules in the middle of the Games. How childish is she going to be? She agreed to the rules and changed her mind only after she came up short. How can she be trusted if she can't be trusted to follow the rules she signed.

frank   May 28th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

the deep southwest will not vote for obama sorry.

NObama   May 28th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Don't you just LOVE the negative, mud-slinging Obama supporters and their sardonic posts?

That 'Change we can Believe In" doesn't appear to trickle down to the fanatic supporters.

This Hillary supporter does not trust Obama, and will not vote in the fall.
Disenfranchising millions of voters is NOT DEMOCRACY.

Funny.. Obama "mis-spoke" about an uncle liberating Auschwitz. . but little media attention on it???

But for weeks we were slapped in the face with Hillary's sniper fire comment??

This Gay Texas Democrat is looking to move to Canada!

NEVER GIVE UP HILLARY!

democracy   May 28th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Is all but dead… so sad. Everyone submit and give into the Obama regime who's logic is… "I love me some Adolf Hitler."

Barbara - 65 yr old white female in NC   May 28th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Just send the lying, whining, bill clinton home and make him take his lying, whining wife with him. What a horrible example for children and young adults of this country !!!!!!!!!

"The Great Elephant Is Wounded"-Kareem From Hampton, Va   May 28th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Whats really funny to me you guys is this! Everyone that screams Fl and Mi should count are from neither state!

Mi & Fl hear me and hear me good! Hillary is just using you for political gain! When she's done she MIGHT visit your state in the future! Trust me, she did it to black people! In the 90's she embraced us with open arms but when she lost the Louisiana primary this year she wrote us off never to look back again! That was the turning point and reason why we vote for Barack 90%! The candidate we really wanted..abandoned us!!

Generation X   May 28th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Generation X will not allow our country to continue to be ruled by people like the Clintons and McCains. The Revolution will not be televised!!!

Tx4HILLARY   May 28th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

Don't you just LOVE the negative, mud-slinging Obama supporters and their sardonic posts?

That 'Change we can Believe In" doesn't appear to trickle down to the fanatic supporters.

This Hillary supporter does not trust Obama, and will not vote in the fall.
Disenfranchising millions of voters is NOT DEMOCRACY.

Funny.. Obama "mis-spoke" about an uncle liberating Auschwitz. . but little media attention on it???

But for weeks we were slapped in the face with Hillary's sniper fire comment??

This Gay Texas Democrat is looking to move to Canada!

NEVER GIVE UP HILLARY!

TOM   May 28th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

IS THIS THE MESSAGE WE WANT TO SEND TO THE WORLD. IF THE RULES DONT HELP YOU CHANGE THEM

James, SC   May 28th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

God please help us! Will this person ever stop destroying the country for her own wants?

Matt in Cleveland   May 28th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

why do people forget that HILLARY AGREED TO KEEP FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN OUT AT THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE POST THIS….SHE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, BUT NOW SHE NEEDS THE VOTES SO SHE WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THEM

WAKE UP PEOPLE HRC DIDNT CARE ABOUT FL AND MI AT THE BEGINNING AND ONLY CARES NOW BECAUSE SHE DESPERATELY NEEDS THEM

OH AND COUNT EVERY VOTE JUST NOT THE CAUCUSES EH HILLARY

E. C., Houston, Texas   May 28th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

There should have never been such ridiculous rules set by the Democratic Party. Such rules in a Presidential Primary cannot be enforced. Hillary deserves the nomination because she more qualified and experienced than the clown, Obama, who doesn't seem to understand what he's about. Because he had a great uncle …we're now supposed to believe that he supports the military? Pleeze….this guy is a real ignorant whuz.

Eric   May 28th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

So let's see how CNN cover the news. Once again, multiple stories about Cliton's fuzzy maths or plain lies, trying to make it as if they bear a slight ressemblance to reality. Stretching to the limit a simple mistake by Obama between two concentrations camps. And forgetting the three SDs picked up by Obama. Keep up the good work!!!

Anonymous   May 28th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

im starting to think that of she does not get that nomination, she'll get psychotic….

seems to be a matter of life or death to her…

Y   May 28th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

Hillary is disenfranchising the people who did not go out to vote, by asking for the votes in Florida and Michigan to count as is. They were told their vote wouldnt count so they willingly stayed home, thinking the race would end on Super Tuesday as it has for years. All of a sudden Hillary says, Gotcha, that primary actually counts. Its very hurtful and insulting to my relatives in Florida, that Hillary would be so self-serving.

Martin (England)   May 28th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

My proposed compromise is that we allow Hillary to have the votes from Michigan and Florida if she goes back to Bosnia to give those snipers another few shots (and she has to wear a bright orange pant suit). Then of course like her favourite New York senator she can drop out of the race permanently and be idolized rather than vilified as she will be otherwise.

F C Sanders Sr   May 28th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

Will someone from HRC's camp please please explain to me how she can now be in favor of Florida and MI votes counting when she agreed that they would not count if they moved the primaries? How is that fair to the other 48 states that played by the rules and why is she changing her story now that she's behind? Please someone from HRC's camp explain that to me. She wasn't concerned about FL and MI when she thought she would roll on through the primary so why now?

Dandelion.   May 28th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

I'm FROM Florida and I don't think we should be seated. We broke the rules. Get the hell over it.

Anonymous   May 28th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

Hillary RENEGES on her previous agreement that these primaries were improper and controverted and that they would not count. Why has she FLIP-FLOPPED on this issue?

Is she guided by the public interest or self-interest?

Because she did not do her homework reading the Intelligence Report, before voting to go to WAR in Iraq (rather than tergeting Al Quada in Afghanistan, over 4,080 young Americans have died and Trillions of Dollars have been squandered in Iraq, rather than on improving MEDICARE, PHARMACARE, SCHOOLS, HIGHWAYS AND BRIDGES (remember I-35 Bridge Collapse last August in Minnesota).
Some SOLUTION eh!

What WAR or wasteful scheme will she get America into next?

As for Florida and Michigan, Hillary promised $10M or $20M for a revote – but hasn't shown us the money – because her campaign is already $20M in debt !

"MERE WORDS" or more accurately "MERE LIES" or "MORE LIES" from Hillary! She has already squandered $190 million on her campaign to date and owes another $20M. How much more of the US taxpayers dollars should be be entrusted with? How many more American servicemen and women should have their lives jeopardized by Hillary's reckless voting – SHE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO READ THE INTELLIGENCE REPORT ON HER DESK!!!

Mike

ChaChaCha   May 28th, 2008 2:03 pm ET

Hillary won't be happy with a 50/50 split. Hillary will try to bring a huge demonstration onto the floor of the convention. Hillary will do all she can to not lose to OBAMA.

She has put the DNC even moreso in a difficult situation because she does NOT care about the Party. She only cares about HILLARY.

OBAMA is not to blame for this mess. And Hillary has made it a bigger mess than it already was.

FLA. and MICH. voters are not to blame either. AND IT IS NOT THE DNC's FAULT EITHER!!

Follow the RULES or you get put out of the game. THE DNC will seat delegates FOR THE VOTERS not Hillary, not Obama and not for the idiots who took the states out of the Primaries to begin with.

wwf   May 28th, 2008 2:03 pm ET

God this is getting old. The party better get its head out of its a– and end this mess now!

sj in MN   May 28th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

As long as they stick by the NDC rules. Hillary just might go down in history as the most divisive politician of all time! Goodbye to the Clintons.

Hillary's got the goods to win in Nov.   May 28th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Hey Don…

I think what Hillary is getting at is that she can win the electoral college too! Swing states that voted her husband in office are voting for her big time too.

Why don't you just get all your info from CNN and their fairytales that Obama will re-write the electoral map.

I hear Obama supporters are smart. However, I think they lack common sense. Educated Idiots.

This Tulane Graduate will support Clinton all the way to the convention.

Mike   May 28th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Give it up Hillary!
Obama is ahead in every category. All votes, ballets and caucuses, delegates, super delegates, money raised, largest rally, this is a delegate race for the nomination.
Hillary will try to re-write the rules and anything to try and win.
Obama is a stronger candidate against McCain. He has a strong base of supporters and people for his cabinet. He will win the nomination.

Obama 08

West Coast USA for Obama!

Italians 4 Obama   May 28th, 2008 2:01 pm ET

One of the oldest sayings, "You can't change the rules in the 9th inning". And now Clinton supporters are demanding Obama selects her as a VP. In my best Italian voice, "FORGET ABOUT IT".

Cleavette   May 28th, 2008 2:01 pm ET

All of the delegates should be seated but NONE should be should be given to either candidate. These two states did not play by the rules and it should be left up to those that did. All we need is the courage from 48 men and women (Super Delegates) to put an end to this madness

trellskig   May 28th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

If the Supers Delegates don't finish this thing by the end of the next primaries, then we know what's going on! Don't let them bully you, Supers…lol

lynn   May 28th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

well, if fl and mi were the only two that moved up there election, i would say punish them, however, there were 5 states that moved up there elections, why werent the other 3 penalized the same, count the votes

hakeemsdad, Florida   May 28th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

She thinks she is the best! I don't see it only the ignorants claim that they are the best and look down to others. DIdn't she said Obama will most likely loose in November. It seems she already made the plans to run again for 2012. During this time she will do anything possible to cost the election to Obama.

And s. delegates are still watching!
loose with your own hands.

victoria   May 28th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

There isn't much we the people can say. Hillay Clinton wants to be president and she will not stop until she gets it. She believe she deserved it and she will do just about anything to get it:; and I believe she will do just about anything.

Good luck, Barack Obama and God be with you, because this will never end until Ms.Hillary gets what she wants. Believe me if it was Obama loosing, we would have heeard anything about the FL & MI delegates.

Hillary's got the goods to win in Nov.   May 28th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

Awesome! Maybe Democrats will decide not to disenfrancise two of the largest states in America. I think it would be pretty dumb to not find a way to count them.

Oh, but wait, wasn't a revote on the table months ago? Wait, some idiot named Obama blocked that revote. Why don't we just handicap the democrats and give McCain those states in the General Elections.

Are we still a democracy? Shouldn't every vote count. I guess you left wing nuts like Obama would love to make us a socialist country where votes don't count.

As for me, I will either write in Hillary or vote McCain.

I am a conservative democrat who votes country first, party second. No on the job training for Obama.

JJ   May 28th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

LOL @ Diane. I would have to agree with you on that one. I am so tired of looking at her and those pants suits.

I wonder if she will be satisfied with whatever solution the DNC comm comes up with it. Something tells me that we won't because it will not give her the advantage. It will make her closer and then she will cry and whine and will announce she will take this thing all the way to the convention.

Royalprince of Ann Arbor, MI   May 28th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

I am proud to say that I voted for Hillary in the Michigan primary and I think it's a travesty that my vote may not be counted by the DNC Ways and Means Committee, as highly as the votes in other states. Obama voluntarily took his name off of the ballot – no one made him, so he doesn't deserve any delegates from Michigan. All 128 of them should go to Hillary. Hillary got 328151 votes in Michigan and 857208 votes in Florida. If you add that to her other votes, she is clearly the front runner in the popular vote. She also gains about 160 delegates on Obama, putting her within about 35 or so.

Besides all of the above, Hillary is a lot more electable than Obama. Recent head-to-head competition against McCain, shows she would beat him, but Obama would lose to him. I don't think Obama can carry Michigan, Florida and Ohio, and possibly even Pennsylvania, unless Hillary is his VP.

Henry Haider   May 28th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

When you are a member of a particular group or organisation you are compelled to abide by their rules. If the rules do not suit you then you have to option to quit the group or seek amendmends as soon as the rules are made. It's simple and straight.

In a game the referee's call is final even when the call made by an error. Remember the Soccer World Game final when Maradona made the winning goal with his hand. Just last night a foul was not called when Fisher(LAL) fouled Barry(SA Spurs) at the critical last game wining shot.

This election is much more important than games but yet we all should fillow the rules no matter what the outcome. If Hillary is bent upon to bend the rules then what would she do if she becomes the Chief. She has every right to go to the finish line and we all support her to continue till the last vote is casted but please do not try and bend the rules. The voters and the people will not forgive and there are chances she will loose her senate seat if she further does anything silly.

Time to move on   May 28th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

Rule is rule.May be Hillary will have to give another rule to the party bcos everything that doesnt suit her is bad.Why are the rule made?May be to break it and go scot free as far as Hillary is concerned.
So what is the gain of the people that play by the rule.
OBAMA 08

vic nashville,Tn   May 28th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

Count all the votes that is it !!!!!!!!!!
Hillary 08

Joel, fridley MN,   May 28th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

If you do the math Hillary fans, she would have to get over 70% of the delegetes to come close to Obama, that won't happen she should just quit. I can't imagine her makeing a bigger fool of herself, but she is going to try.

So Sad   May 28th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

Kinda like watching an old friend lose their marbles!

Carrie Pa   May 28th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

If the rules are changed, Florida and Michigan delegates should be split 50/50 between Obama and Clinton. Its the only fair way because both candidates agreed on the rules last year.

Ostriches burying our heads in the sand   May 28th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

Let's get this resolved and move on to the General Election which will be between BO and McBush!!

Susie   May 28th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

I think that some the delegates should be counted but not all of them because they clearly broke the rules. An equal delegate split between Obama and Hillary in Michigan and a 2/3 split for Hillary and 1/3 for Obama should be more than fair.

Once this has been worked out, Billary needs to take a seat and shut up. They have stripped the integrity of this campaign. CNN I dare you to post this comment!

j   May 28th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

Will the Democrats settle matters well enough to unify the party? Will Clinton stop her campaign and start working toward uniting the party after June 3rd? Unity should be the Democrats message. HRC, please stop dividing the party.

SlimSista   May 28th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

HRC….YOU STILL WILL NOT WIN….STOP TRYING TO STEAL TO HOME PLATE….OBAMA IS WAITING @ HOME BASE TO PUT YOU OUT!!!!!

Concerned Democrat   May 28th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

Hillary is and has been the WEAKER candidate. If it were not for the rants of a preacher which she used to strike fear in white americans this would've been over weeks ago. I see no leader in Hillary.

Good grief   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican however I find it shocking that a potential leader of the country, Hillary Clinton, would have such flippant disregard for rules. The DNC had a set of rules and the two states chose to break them, fully knowing what the consequences would be. Well now that they have been stripped of their delegates, they're crying about the consequences. Didn't we all learn something about personal accountability…in kindergarten?! And now Mrs. Clinton is up in arms for those two states because counting them will be beneficial to her. But when she was in the lead, she didn't seem to care about them. So we have a potential presendential candidate who has shown that if it's in her best interest, the rules don't matter. I personally wouldn't want someone like that running the country.

Anne, Iowa   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

This woman is a disgrace to all intelligent women who have worked sohard to earn the respect they deserve! She is proving that maybe we should not be so fast in claiming equality.

"As a woman the rules do not apply …I can change my mind at any point in the game and everyone else should live with that" right?

Hillary, just go crawl under a rock!

Adam Smith TX, USA   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

Florida and Michigan should be punished in some way or form to set a precedent for the future period.

Wait till November   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

That's fine and Dandy… forget about 2000, in 2008 we DEFINABLY WILL DELIVER FLORIDA FOR MCCAIN, THIS TIME THERE WILL BE NO RECOUNT WE ARE GOING RED!!!!

In 2000 Gore made the stupid mistake of wanting to recount only some of the counties – VERY selective… now again in one the smoothest primaries with record turn out in Florida we are going to count some of the votes maybe… I belonged to this party because is the party of the “people” but I guess is FOR some people and no longer a 50 state race… I WILL VOTE AGAINST THE PARTY THAT TAKES AWAY MY MOST BASIC RIGHT…

hakeemsdad, Florida   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

What super delegates they could only be called Billary supporter delegates. I mean everyone knows that this process is out of control the party is cracking down and is (not will be) divided but they don't want to do any thing about it. Didn't Obama won the states of the majority of the remaining delegates and yet to support him! Why?
Because they want to give it to Billary since they want history to repeat as Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

Be smart Billary leaning remaing so called s. delegates

Pat-Pittsburgh   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

I wonder how all you obamanuts where feeling back in 2000. Were you all screaming at the TV saying that Gore should win because he has the polular vote, or were you just sitting on your hands and saying oh well, Bush won. I think I heard your screams loud and clear!!!!

Canadian   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

What a mockery of democratic principles the Clinton camapign has become!! How could this woman who openly insists that the rules be changed to suit her "math", dividesa country into "groups" of voters, uses statistics which she can't prove and openly uses fear tactics and threat ever hope to be a leader of the free world.

She truly has become a symbol of a bully, and someone who CAN NOT be trusted to follow the rules. How can she even be considered a leader??

It will be a sad day for America's standing and credibility in the democratic world if this woman gets her way!

Susan   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

Look how smug she lokks in the picture as if she has pulled a rabbit out of her hat by throwing a temper tantrum. The Super D. a's and the Rules committee better quash this now. I, as an Independent are Obama supporter, and if the Dems change the rules in the 4th quarter, they will loose millions of votes. It send a signal that the Democratic party cannot be trusted to stand up to the rules that they placed. I find it amusing that Terry McAuilff and Harold Ickes, plus 13 other Clinton surrogates set these rule in September, and are now crying how unfair it is. Hypocrites – the whole- bunch of them!

Tyrone Brown, Seattle, WA   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

Whatever the compromise it must take into serious account the following – the fact that 48 other states played by the rules during this nomination process. While I do accept that there should be a compromise so that voters in Florida and Michigan are heard, I don't think it would be fair (or wise for that matter ) to discount how the rest of the country handled the process.

GoHillary   May 28th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

The DNC are completely backward. Why did they think it was a good idea to ban these votes from being counted in the first place?

It was a strategic plan to give their goldenboy nominee a lift!

Get rid of the liberal fanatics in the party!

Proud1of 26% in WV   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

They have talked about seating 1/2 of Flordia delegates according to the vote and the other half 50/50.That would be more than fair to her but they won't want to accept it because it won't help her win.Since he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan the only fair thing would be to split 50/50.SHE CANNOT WIN!!!

President Obama   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

What gets me about this whole entire fiasco is that Hiliary didn't even want MI or FL when she had a solid lead. Now she is losing and all of a sudden wants those delegetes.

Now she is losing and all of of sudden she wants to win the nomination solely on the popular vote in which she trails.

Now she is losing, she is frequently called, "a fighter", but she isn't fighting for the people. Hiliary is fighting for Hiliary and the legacy she has left.

Hal   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Halfway means a 50/50 split. Even then Senator Obama still leads.

Jot   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

The democrats have mulled Obama. His chances of winning in November have been mulled. He has two states now off his list to win the general election he is left with 48. He hasn't been supportive of the counting of Fl and MI votes all along the people have been noticing. This man does not only want to change washington but also to change the way Americans vote

Venus   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Don't worry Obama supporters! There is nothing Hillary can do to over take Obama! Please read the lastest news below! This is great news for us! MI and FL will be able to seat only HALF of their delegates! Therefore – it will come down to spliting them in half which will also – bump up Obama's lead!

A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to seat some delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully restore the two states as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to party lawyers.

Democratic National Committee rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, the party's legal experts wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday at a Washington hotel. The committee is considering ways to include the two important general election battlegrounds at the nominating convention in August, and the staff analysis says seating half the delegates is "as far as it legally can" go.

Go Bam!

John Smith   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Who is Hillary running against at this time?

It cannot be Obama or McCain. Even the Republicans are NOT using their war machine against Hillary. She is like the FL and MI votes, Hillary can claim she is a stronger candidate because she is not in competition with anyone.

What happened since the start of this process? Should the stronger candidate not be the one ahead by now?

Gag me   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

We don't elect the presidential nominee by the popular vote and we don't elect the president in the general election wth the popular vote. It's the last ditch effort for HRC to try to make the case for why the entire system and process (whether we like the process or not) should be overturned so she can get what she wants. It won't work but she won't stop til she tries any and everything. She's not fooling most people, smart people see what and who she is. Oh and by the way, she has done little for the feminist cause, actually she has damaged it more than helping it. But she has demonstrated that poor leadership and low political maneuvering knows no gender bias.

Wait till November   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

That's fine and Dandy… forget about 2000, in 2008 we DEFINABLY WILL DELIVER FLORIDA FOR MCCAIN, THIS TIME THERE WILL BE NO RECOUNT WE ARE GOING RED!!!!

In 2000 Gore made the stupid mistake of wanting to recount only some of the counties – VERY selective… now again in one the smoothest primaries with record turn out in Florida we are going to count some of the votes maybe… I belonged to this party because is the party of the “people” but I guess is FOR some people and no longer a 50 state race… I WILL VOTE AGAINST THE PARTY THAT TAKES AWAY MY MOST BASIC RIGHT…

New Day   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

I am ok with this proposal with the condition that Florida residents are required to take a course on how to cast a vote! One more dimpled chad and I swear, I'm gonna drive down 95 and beat some heads!!!!

Debby   May 28th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Oh please once the votes are counted she will bow out. Its not like she has a chance anyway since the DNC and their deal making to the stupids hand picked their candidate. She has had alot of turncoats go to Obma and they don't do that unless they are promised something.

Obama will win.   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

RULES ARE RULES PEOPLE!

ALL of the candidates agreed to not count them AND NOW she cares? Clinton YOU SAID NO JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID so STOP THE MADDNESS!

USAF Staff Sergeant   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

I am so very tired of Clinton. How does she think she can get away with saying Florida and Michigan wont count, but a few months later down the road when she is losing and can gain from it, say that they must be seated?

What a terrible role model for American children.

Whine and cry if you don't get your way.

Change the rules of the game if you can't win.

The DNC will be giving her far more than she deserves if they seat any of those delegates.

J   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

LOL why is it people from Germany feel the need to comment on US election choices? You don't see US citizens even paying attention to their internal affairs.

skylark   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

CNN:
Stop enabling this sick woman. Stop encouraging her so called supporters (Many of whom are Rush Limbaugh plants)
Please notice that McCain is not attacking Hillary in any way.
Why?
We know why. Those of us who remember the scandals of the 90's.
The GOP has enough dirty laundry on the Cintons to bury a landfill.
They are not afraid of her. That alone should give you pause.
But we Dems should be very afraid. She will bury us in our own selfish pride and petty self interest. Our country is only 1 part of the Global Community. We need diplomacy. We need someone to represent us at our best. Not racist, not sexist, not white or black but as we are ; diverse and tolerant of our differences.
Please.
Obama '08

An American in Canada for David   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Don't you just love these DNC puppets who come out and drop hints about how the DNC committee may seat Florida and Michigan delegates, as if we the citizens do not see through their ploy.

There is only one true strong substantial leader for the Democratic Party and that is H.R. Clinton who will also be the next President.

She will have the Popular Votes and as far as delegates are concerned neither Oboma nor Clinton will have the true number of State delegates to be declared the winner,

Thus their is only one recourse and that is to go to the convention and place Obama and Clinton's names on a voting course.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DNC FIX YOUR STUPED METHOD OF CHOOSING A NOMINEE, BECAUSE OF THESE PROTRACTED PRIMARIES, WE ALL WITNESSED THE WEAKNESS AND STUPIDITY OF YOUR SYSTEM.

Have you ever heard of Winner Take All!
And have you ever heard of starting in November seventeen(17) states will vote in the primary.
And in December seventeen (17) more states will votein their primary.
And finally, in January the last sixteen (16) primary states shall vote.

That way by February, you will have your candidate who will have enough time to campaign before the General Election.

GGGEEEEEEEEZZZ AN EIGHT YEAR OLD CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT!

A Texas Voter   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Clinton will never stop,she is hoping to be so annoying that people will probably just say here you win because we can't take your lies and crap anymore. It is either Hillary wins or we all lose. There is no end in sight. I just wonder what does she think will happen to all the Obama supporters, do we just say well ok Hillary you cried,lied and cheated so yes, you have our vote. While Clinton supporters are out there whining with her about not voting for Obama, you are not true democrats, and you are sore losers. What if a horrible thing happens and she gets the nomination, What do you think Obama supporters will do, send money?NO, vote for her?NO!!!!!!!!!Grow up people,let it go quit trying to cheat and change the rules. She agreed to this at the start, why didn't she care back then???Lets hear it.

Moses, Ca.   May 28th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

I can't beleive the HRC supporters fall for everything she says. She can tell them the sky is green and they'll beleive it and say she's the right one for the country…" UNBELEIVABLE "

Citizen   May 28th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

Even after the Michigan and Florida delegates are awarded; Clinton still loses. That is what is not being discussed. She is a loser under every scenario, but there are actually people walking around thinking that she is going to have enough delegates to get the nomination. No, it is not going to happen.

Democrat who will never vote for Clinton   May 28th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

I can't believe this bull, i will never, ever, ever, ever, no matter what, I don't care if I am on the streets, i will still NEVER, ever EVER vote for her!! EVER!!!

AZM   May 28th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

Do you hear that?

The pitter patter of 20 million little feet running to write in HRCs name come November…

Bye Bye Obama…

Look   May 28th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

The picture here says it all. This is not about voters in FL and MI. This is about Hillary Rodham Clinton. Period. She can't win by managing her campaign well and strategizing effectively, so she tries to have the rules changed. What the hell? — she's already losing, so she has nothing to lose…

barackobama4prez   May 28th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

This is all a big mess. The DNC needs to get it's legislative & administrative house in order to avoid this from happening in the future.

JOYCE IN ARKANSAS   May 28th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

why should h-dean bargain. he is a spineless wimp who does not deserve his job to let the clintons fear factor set in and change the rules at the end of the game. is this america and why would any one want a president who backpeddles before even in office. god help us if she steals the nom.
howard dean be a man for once in your sorry life

KJ, CA   May 28th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

They knew the rules, they broke the rules. When my son broke the rules he knew that there were going to be consequences and they were not negotiable. It is said that the citizens votes in Michigan and Florida won't count – but the state party's did it to them, no one else.

Oh yea – Mrs. Clinton, you signed an agreement (as did all of the other Democratic Presidential candidates at the time) saying that you would abide by the decision of the DNC. Funny how things change for you when you aren't getting your way…

Mary   May 28th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

I hereby request to be removed from the DNC list as a Democrat if they give in to the Clintons politcial pressure and seat FL and MI. While I feel for the people of those states, whose elected officials chose to break the rules, the only way this should play out is that those FL and MI officials should be removed in upcoming elections for their poor judgement. The rest of us should not have our time and energies wasted because they are now feeling like it was a bad decision. And furthermore, Ms. Hillary should not be rewarded for being a liar and a cheat. She agreed that these states primaries should not count and now that she is behind, she changes her mind….can her supporters really think that this is fair? if the reverse were the case, and Obama was now claiming these states after saying they shouldn't count…would they still think they should be seated. Really, folks ask yourself that fair question…please do not be hypocrites..that is for the Republicans to do.

Chris from San Antonio   May 28th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

In a Hillary Supporter's universe, It doesn't matter that the Spurs won 4 out of 7 games for the NBA championship. Cleveland had more 3 pointers and more rebounds, so they are the true winners.

It doesn't matter that the Yankees scored more runs in 9 innings, because the Red Sox had fewer errors and more hits in 7 innings.

It doesn't matter that Jeff Gordon crossed the finish line first, because Dale Jr. was in the lead through most of the race and had quicker pit stops.

Rus in St. Paul, MN   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

So, they'll be seated with 50% of the delegates, seat them as is and just get it over with. Obama will still be ahead overwhelmingly in delegates. June 4th can't come fast enough honestly.

Joe   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

The message Hillary is sending to kids… if you're losing, cry about it and have the rules changed in obscure ways that helps you catch up.

For instance, if you're losing a baseball game 6-4, convince the umpires to throw out the first inning where your opponent scored three runs. That way you would be ahead 3-4!

I never thought I would say this, but Hillary is as vile and corrupt as George W. Bush.

Silence Dogood   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

1968 DNC convention – there was a clear delegate leader – even more lead than Obama can get now. But there was a problem. Many democrats felt left out and that their voices were not heard.

But the DNC went ahead and endorsed the leader based on numbers alone and ignored people. There were protests and riots in the street.

But the DNC went ahead with their candidate. And the DNC lost it and put Nixon in office.

Warning: Cults rarely read history.

hakeemsdad, Florida   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Ha hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Yes you lead in the popular votes but if you count the states you have won. (Let's give you the chance to become a president of the states you have won)

Billary don't be stupid and make up your own math (Billary math). I am a math specialist and yes you look helpless and stupid when you claim that you lead in the popular votes.

Jane L.   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

The news media is fond of phrases such as "overturning the rules" and "will Clinton muscle her way in." It is all part of the extreme and blatant bias they've shown since the Iowa vote. It is absolutely disgusting and obscene. I've never seen anything like it.
The truth is that Sen. Clinton has run an admirable campaign. She and Sen. Obama have both made gaffes, but hey, this has been over a year now. And despite the media news shows and chattering pundits painting her as the villain, she has a very good argument, and the rules committee should listen. Most voters want her to be the nominee.

tidho   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

She just needs to walk out of that meeting praising Obama's cooperation and publically supporting the outcome while reinforcing that it ensures the people's voices were heard. Then she will have lived up to her word.

If she has one of her puppets make the first statement and it contains language talking about the popular vote then we know it will be an exciting convention.

Sid   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Shame on YOU HILLARY for DISENFRANCHISING voters from the following caucus states:

iowa
nevada
alaska
colorado
idaho
kansas
minnesota
north dakota
nebraska
washington
maine
hawaii
texas
wyoming

You DID NOT win the popular vote, even with Michigan and Florida. Don't spread these lies.

TOTAL NONSENSE !   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

this is like givin a students all the points he got from cheating, thus allowing him to have a better grade then those who did not cheat !

AND

WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO DID NOT VOTE BECAUSE THEY WHERE TOLD THIS WOULD NOT COUNT ??? THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE REAL DISFRANCHISED.

U CANT KEEP PEOPLE AT HOME BY TELLIN THEM THEIR VOTE WONT COUNT AND COUNT THE VOTES AFTER !

TOTAL NONSENCE….
dnc SHOULD JUST HAVE ANOTHER PRIMARY IN FL AND MI. THAT S THE ONLY FAIR SOLUTION.

martin   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

obama needs 46 delegates ,now ,after recieving 2 more sds. ,so far ,today.hillary has recieved 0. hahahaha!.hillary's gone!bill's so upset!his face is red with anger,at the thought of his hillary not becoming queen of the us.if hillary can't be queen,he can not be king,and chelsea will never be a pricess.awwwwwwww,poor poor royalty.how dare americans treat them this way?they have every intention of taking this to convention,and destroying the dems chance at taking the white house back.yesterday ,hillary began her old attacks on president obama,saying he would lose against mccain.in a new poll out,today,if hillary ran independent,against obama and mccain,obama wins by 58%,next is mccain with 30%,and last is hillary with 12%.

Shawn   May 28th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Clinton supporter's arguments:

1) 'Obama should drop out because he can't win the general.'
- never mind that hillary can't even win the primary.

2) 'Obama has no experience.'
- as opposed to hillary's 'experience' as a first lady?

3) 'Obama is not trustworthy'.
- as opposed to hillary who lied, slung mud like a champion, flip flopped, lied some more, changed rules mid game. (bosnia sniper, chelsea jogging, race card, feminist card, agreed to FL and MI disqualification when it suited her, discounted EVERY economist and sided with the opposition to support the gas tax relief, does not want caucuses counted)

4) 'We will vote for McCain (and 100 more years in Iraq and $10 gas and roe vs wade overturned) even though we are democrats and even though Obama and Hillary have identical positions…because supporters are mean!'
- I don't even know what to say to this.

fpjv   May 28th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Obama is loosing the popular vote and is ahead in delegates only because the caucus system granted 8 delegates per 10,000 caucus votes while the popular, direct primary vote only gets 1 delegate every 10,000 votes.
If you do not believe this make the math yourself, go to thw CNN www, add the results and see…Obama's 390,000 caucus votes give him 320 delegates !!!Democratic??

Crazy Broad   May 28th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Let's see what happens when a FAIR compromise is put on the table and Mrs. Clinton does not agree to it.

Any decision that doesn't involve her getting the maximum number of delegates will not be agreed to by her.

Of course, her nutty supporters will go right along with her insanity and still blame it on Obama when the delegates are not seated.

Chipster   May 28th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

So, the Democratic Party is willing to perhaps halve the votes in FL & MI? Does this mean they will cut the votes in SC in half as well? Why was SC allowed to move its primary date from 2/5 to 1/29 and then to 1/26?

Hmmmm … SC voted for Sen. Obama; I wonder – no, it can't be; Hmmmm.\?

joe m   May 28th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

Compromising now will only open the door for more troubles in the future. DNC needs to hold fast and the citizens of FL and MI need to take this out on the real culprits, their elected officials, during their next election. a child learns not to stick it's fingers into an electrical socket only after they've done it once and found the experience to be unpleasant but instructive. lesson: finger + live elctrical socket = not good.

Moses, Ca.   May 28th, 2008 1:46 pm ET

The DNC must stick to their guns. If they let people break the rules this time, how about the next time. There would be no control in the future. every State would do what thet please, because they wouldn't have to worry about what would happen…

Oh Good Grief   May 28th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

This won't work; it will still mean she loses and the whole argument is that she needs those votes to try to beat Obama.

BTW, why didn't this process bother her when it worked for her husband in 1992?

rumpusgoopus   May 28th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

Kevin, you're right and wrong. This isn't a third world country, and in this country we follow rules and laws.

Sky- kissimmee, FL   May 28th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

So Sad. . I think she's gonna really go into deep depression when this is all said and done.

OBAMA 08′/12′

Dorothy   May 28th, 2008 1:43 pm ET

I do not care how close she get as long as she do not over take him He is nearly 200 deligates ahead of her.
He shoud get half the delegates, but if he do not , We the millions of Obama supporters and Doners are waiting to see what happen because Hillary can not win anything not even a dog fight with out us.
I will not vote for mcCain I just will not vote at all.

rada   May 28th, 2008 1:43 pm ET

just do it and kill any chances of winning in November. We are mad and sick of this. We were punished enough… JUST GO AHEAD LETS LOOSE ANOTHER ONE!!!

Don for Obama   May 28th, 2008 1:43 pm ET

From what I know, the popular vote does not

count in November, so why should that be her sole argument, will she be

telling McCain to give up the presidency in November if she won the

popular vote and lost the electoral college votes?

Diane   May 28th, 2008 1:42 pm ET

I so hate pant suits now. I am calling for a National Pant Suit Burning Day!

Terrence (Winston Salem, NC)   May 28th, 2008 1:42 pm ET

You know this will not satisfy the whining baby…

mususbahu GERMANY   May 28th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

im asking the clintons all her supporters ,this questing.
1.is the Clintons honest?? if yes then why dont they stand by their words to the americans.when she was doing good in the race she opened her mouth and promised all the americans that no matter what happens florida and michinge delegates will never be added.becourse the 2 states violated the rules and law.this same person who promised american is changing her mind becourse the race does not favour her,my worry ist what will she do when become president.this shows that she only think of her herself not the american people.2.what will be next when voted as president is she really going to keep her words as she did with florida and michinge??or is she really going to keep her promised.if we need change in american then we have to start first by respecting the laws and rules of the country.and this complie to everybody inclunding the president.i mean how you creat laws and rules to protect everyone but break them when its disfavours you.thats only the fact.its painful to lose that dream but think its not about clintons,obama mccain or anyother persons alone.its about millions of americans who need somebody who keep is own to protect them even its disfavours him.please stop judging by personal emmotions.give cesser to what belongs to cesser

Marie-Lynn   May 28th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

The rules are the rules , if you don't like it don't play…

Kevin   May 28th, 2008 1:40 pm ET

Count the votes and delegates. We are not in some third world country to skip votes …

No Way   May 28th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

Please they broke the rules. They need to live with the consequenses. What message does this send?

SLO Bear   May 28th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

Superdelegates, need to stop this madness; the integrity of the party and its future success really depend on it.

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