WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic Party is likely to meet rule-breaking Florida and Michigan halfway when it comes to seating their delegates at the national convention, two members of the rules committee said Wednesday.
Such a move may help Sen. Hillary Clinton close the delegate gap with front-runner Sen. Barack Obama but not overtake him, said sources familiar with party deliberations.
The sources did not want to be identified because the full committee has not yet discussed the problem or ruled on it.
If an NFL player spikes the ball in frustration and gets called for an unsportsmanlike penalty, does he get kicked out of the game? Does his team lose? NO. They get penalized.
People break the rules all the time. Would you like to have your license taken away permanently because of speeding? Would you like to be thrown in jail for littering?
When it's over, it's over. But it isn't over YET.
There is no scenario under which the voters of two of the largest states in this country should be disenfranchised. Rules or no rules. Options were laid out for revotes months ago, and they were stalled by the Obama campaign. No Democtic nominee is legitimate when two states are no counted, and there can be no party unity when this issue is unresolved. No matter the compromise this Saturday by the RBC, it is serving to disenfranchise voters. Disenfranchisement = Republican victory. Practice saying President McCain.
This woman is sick. She needs some doctors. She can stand that she is losing the race.Please Hillary get-out. You are hurting Obama and the 3rd party.
All those Obama supporters are not using their brains and so does DNC. The guy is very clever, he invokes his mother's and grandparents name to cater to white audiences and his father's to get the black votes. A person who could not visit his dying mother reflects how much respect he had for his mother. His wife became proud American only recently forgetting what America has given to them. What an average US citizen can expect from him. Foolish people still follow him.
We are so tired of the Clintons moving the goalposts and setting the agenda. Go away!!!
Remember, Senator Obama campaigned in FL by targeting the state with National TV ads for 2 weeks before the FL election. So, he did campaign there...
Remember, the DNC rule that states: "Any candidate who campaigns in a state he/she has made a commitment not to campaign in, will forfeit all delegates from that state…”
Remember, the wise and great judgment of Senator Obama when he actually used campaign money – you had to pay to get your name removed from the ballot in MI; Senator Dodd didn’t have the money so he left his name on – to get his name off of the ballot in MI: the DNC did NOT require this action by the candidates…
Remember, Senator Obama and his cronies in the MI Legislature shut down any attempt to have a revote that the Clinton campaign was going to pay for…
Remember, JUSTICE has been KIDNAPPED and hidden in the LETTER OF THE LAW…
Yes, we can believe in changes United States of American.
I like very deeply the former president Bill Clinton, but I love very much
Sen: Obama, because I feel that he will bring a change in whole American, also youth like me will dream beyond of the sky.
Mccain please keep your friendship with Bush, because u will go work for him again, also we can afford have u in white house.
Your stupid delegate thing is bogus and you know it. She will get the popular vote and that is the most important thing. If the pledge delegates are issued propotionatly like you say, then she should also have the most of them. That is alright. We Hillary voters will just have to live with McCain. There is no way on god's green earth we will vote for that other thing, whatever he calls himself today.
HILLARY or MCCAIN 2008 !!!
Either way at least we still have a country.
What a surprise – Clinton crys enough and people bend over! I agree that FL and MI should have some say in the decision – however this same principle is ignored by Clinton who claims Caurcus states shouldn't be counted! She'll twist and spin anything to get the votes!
Seat half, that's fine – it won't be enough, it shouldn't be enough, and come June 3rd if she's still claiming she's going 'all the way' the superdelegates need to stand up to her and her bully husband and make their decision!
I hate how this is being dragged out – it's shamefull and does nothing but highlight how inept the DNC is and why when there is a political dog fight between the GOP and DNC, Democrats roll over and take it!
Enough is enough – they broke rules, Clinton was all about that until she needed the votes – now it's all about letting everyone vote – and breaking rules doesn't matter – BS -
If they DO they can count me out. NO PARTY NEEDS TO KISS THE CLINTON"S SWEET XXXXXXOOO 's for anything. You will only continue to encourage the disrespect that you are getting not only from the Clinton's ...But...also their supporters. You will mend NOTHING....you will only encourage this silly divisive Crap to go on !!!!!!! OBAMA has won support our candidate NOT your Washington Cronies!!!!!
Rooles are defenders of Fools.
Mccain please keep your friendship with Bush, because u will go work for him again, also we can't afford have u in white house.
Pants Suit on fire!
She can't even claim the popular vote (unless you exclude Barack in Michigan and caucus states that don't include vote totals).
We already had 16 years of lies from Clinton & Bush.
I have written to the DNC as I hope everyone else has done. To not seat the delegates and to not count the votes in Florida and Michigan would be castastropic. What would we ever say to these voters again? It was not their fault their votes didn't count. It was the DNC and the legislatures from those states. So the states broke the rules and voted early. They wanted to make a difference in the campaign. Well, I guess they are now anyway. And don't say rules are rules, or we must punish them. Who are we talking to, kindergarteners? Stop already! Rules were made to be broken, so they broke them. People came out and voted and if the votes were taken today, Hillary would get a larger share in FL anyway. And Obama isn't doing good in MI either. So seat the share that they got and be done with it. If you want to punish anyone, try the Obama camp. We could have had revotes by now, paid for by my governor no less, Gov. Corzine, and this would have all been over by now.
Hillary is the stronger candidate. We all know it. The DNC knows it. The media knows it. But what, we don't want the black man to lose for some reason? Well, if he wins now, he'll lose later anyway. Great job! We can all thank ourselves then. And you better believe the polls that 32% of Hillary's voters will vote for McCain and the rest of us will stay home. That percentage has only gotten higher with each race. And it won't make any difference what Hillary says. We are not voting for a lying, say whatever you want, make up stories, disowning your family, supposedly Christian( not in my book) shady character from the south side of Chicago. Obama tries to keep his hands clean throughout the campaign and his supporters do his dirty work. Grow up Obama and come and see us when you own up to your words and your wife's words. Different politician my b****. The only difference you have is you have NO experience. Keep talking, every week it's something new you have to apologize for. Sounds like verbal abuse to me. And this comes from one of the small town thinking, bitter middle american, "throw your grandmother" under the bus, "typical white woman. Our numbers are growing DNC. Watch for us.
If you are going to be fair then it should be a 50/50 split. Now what you can say that all the ones that was told their votes wouldn't count is left out of this scenario, so what would that mean. This is crazy to let Hillary take all the credit for a stupid mistake by Ickes and Flournoy. People let's play by the rules or not at all. Remember people have to vote in November so you don't want to make the voters angry. So you change the rules for the whinners but what happens to the one who are not whinning? Make them made and Hillary still don't win and when she comes back in 2012 no one will vote for her forsure.
Look out, Denver! Here THEY come!! Get a ring-side seat!! Yes, at this point, the democratic primary is indeed a CIRCUS!! Be prepared to see Hillary LIVE on the HIGH WIRE!! After all, she has been walking that tight rope for quite some time now!! She's sure to take a BIG FALL in Denver, IF SHE GETS THAT FAR!! It appears when your political career, respect (for others and mostly yourself), your husband, and your millions are ON THE LINE - you HAVE to present a picture-perfect LOSS!! Why care if you have torn the Democratic Party completely apart. Next time, you can run as a Republican, or an Independent, or "she'll think of something"!!! And most importantly, who cares about your oponent, (who by the way has already WON THE NOMINATION)!! when YOU ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR HUSBAND, AND OF COURSE YOURSELF!!
Rules are defenders of Fools.
"The sources did not want to be identified because the full committee has not yet discussed the problem or ruled on it."
In other words, two people of unknown position think, for whatever partisan reason, that the MI and FL delegations will be seated halfway. Thanks for that informative tidbit.
Only way I can comprehend all this, is that some people owe the Clintons. Hillary, As long as I owe you, you won't be broke. Should have checked my credit before I went in debt to you. Now just find some space and add yourself
The dems whined like crazy when they accused the GOP of disenfranchishing Floridians and 'stealing' the election from Al. Now they are cyring because they aren't allowed to to disenfranchise the Floridians. HAHA, what irony and hyprocrisy. And as for this 1/2 of the delegates seated, I thought they always gave 3/5?? Yes, there were rules to follow, but those rules cost Floridians an absolutely worthless vote. Vote for McCain, he's practically a liberal anyway and it will give some balance for the next four years. Otherwise, grab your wallet and get ready to be taken for a big ride. I wonder if Obama's uncle can find a solution?
To Clinton supporters:
I just want to make sure I understand your logic for the popular vote.
Don't count caucuses because the disenfranchise to many voters who had a legitimate chance to come out and voice their opinion.
Count MI and Fl though because is was a valid primary nevermind the 100,000 of voters that where told their votes would not count. And in michigan their candidate was not on the ballot.
Disenfranchise when it benefits me but don't disenfranchise if it does not help me.
I am so confused somebody please help.
Democrats need to show some spine by abiding the rules setforth for this Primary.
The Primary goal of 2025 should be preserved but should seat Florida an Michigan delegates after the following Tuesday. DNC should recognize FL and MI delegation while preserving the Democratic Primary goal at 2025.
Any different outcome that results in moving the goal posts will fallout to be the most scrutinized election. This will not be scrutinized by only Republicans but by other nations whom are especially against democracy. It will look like we Americans cannot comply and deviate from our own rules, while rewriting the rules only to suit our best interests.
Should the magic number be altered then it wont matter who becomes the Democratic Nominee. It will be a shame and the Republicans are going to have a field day on whoever the Democratic Nominee turns out to be.
If Florida and Michigan are ignored these will be McCain states in November. People expect their votes to be counted!
Hilary won the electoral map for general election. Obama doesn't ! who is winning electoral college votes? – Hilary more than 300 electoral votes
Obama only win 217 electoral college votes.!
CLINTON MUST DEMAND LOYALTY FROM HER SUPPORTERS AFTER BARACK GETS THE NOMINATION IF THE DEMOCRATICS EXPECT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER!