May 28th, 2008
11:30 AM ET
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Democrats mull Florida, Michigan compromise

 Clinton paid a visit to Mt. Rushmore Wednesday. (Sasha Johnson/CNN)
Clinton paid a visit to Mt. Rushmore Wednesday. (Sasha Johnson/CNN)

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic Party is likely to meet rule-breaking Florida and Michigan halfway when it comes to seating their delegates at the national convention, two members of the rules committee said Wednesday.

Such a move may help Sen. Hillary Clinton close the delegate gap with front-runner Sen. Barack Obama but not overtake him, said sources familiar with party deliberations.

The sources did not want to be identified because the full committee has not yet discussed the problem or ruled on it.

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  1. mike

    Gee...wasn't Senator Clinton ahead at the beginning of the primary season, too? If anything, this kind of lead should convince superdelegates _not_ to go with Clinton.

    May 28, 2008 02:25 pm at 2:25 pm |
  2. John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA

    We are almost there and when I hear this woman's death throws on June 4th, it will be a good day for everybody in America. She is crazy and I knew it along and would never vote this woman to any goverening body anywhere. Maybe mayor of La-La Land!!!

    May 28, 2008 02:26 pm at 2:26 pm |
  3. Tony Z- MD

    What is a fair split for Clinton? According to her she will lead in delegates and polpular votes. Florida can be seated as is if necessary- Edwards pledged delegates will move to Obama. In Michigan, they just need a 50-50 split.

    This just in my son had a baseball game last night. It was a supposed to be a six inning game. The home team was losing after six and they said can we continue until we win. The umpire said no that is not fair- the kids say, but why can't we change the rules because Hillary is.

    May 28, 2008 02:26 pm at 2:26 pm |
  4. Brian from Toronto

    Why does it seem that Hillary's people will only accept a compromise when it is totally their way?

    At least we now all understand why her negatives are so high and why it is said she will do anything to win. With this total lack of integrity, you have to wonder why anyone could think of her as the strongest candidate. By the way, can you get elected when 54% of the people say you are fundamentally dishonest, manipulating and a liar?

    May 28, 2008 02:26 pm at 2:26 pm |
  5. mj - Florida

    so what happens in 4 years, other states will have no reason not to move the date of their elections . . . clearly the consequences can be negotiated.

    way to go “rules” committee

    May 28, 2008 02:26 pm at 2:26 pm |
  6. Party Rules......

    Democrats over rule the will of the people and so goes your Credibilty

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  7. Rudy NYC

    Howard Dean bashers need to stop. Dean inherited this mess from the previous DNC leader. That leader stepped down from his post to become Clinton's campaign manager.

    That man is Terry McCauliffe.

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  8. Mary

    To count all the votes is called a DEMOCRACY. Or has it been changed since Obama starting running for office?

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  9. Deb

    All votes count in a democracy!

    Obama is no longer a viable candidate.

    If we want to win back the White House in November we will need to offer a Main Stream Candidate who can win!

    Hillary 08

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  10. Independent

    Hillary says the superdelegates should support who they think will the better president, well that is unless she won the state, then they should be bound to listening to their constituents. When people like Richardson do this, he is labled a Judas.

    Hillary says Michigan and Florida should count, well that is except for when she agreed that they wouldnt count, and only changed her mind when she realized she was losing. Only then does she claim differntly.

    Hillary says let the voters decide, all the votes should be counted, well that is except for caucuses because that throws off her math, and never mind the hundreds of thousands of people in Michigan that didnt get to vote for Obama, she doesn't think they should count of course.

    She keeps changing her story. You got to love the Clinton hypocrisy.

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  11. barry

    the democratic leadership has handed the nomination to Senator Obama. They will find themselves on the outside looking in come November as Senator McCain becomes our next President. Dean, Pelosi and Reid will be shaking there heads the the democratic party will be looking for new leadership come December.

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  12. Eric

    There is no good compromise on this issue, so we'll have to settle for a bad one. I like the idea of seating the delegates with no vote on the first ballot, and full voting privileges on the second ballot - if there is one.

    That way they'd be tie-breakers (perhaps). Not a great solution - but it does give those delegates some say, but also punishes their states for jumping the gun when they had agreed not to do so.

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  13. Utterly Frustrated

    Please help me understand this...

    (1) The states knew the rules but chose to break them.

    (2) All 3 candidates signed off on an agreement stating that these results would not be counted if the states moved up their primary date.

    (3) Senator Obama & Edwards were not on the ballot in Michigan.

    What am I missing, DNC & fellow Democrates?

    I have a strong suspicion that if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. Clinton was ahead and Obama behind), the thought process would be completely different. If Obama falls short in November, the responsibility needs to fall on Clinton for putting him in a "no-win" position.

    For a former Republican voter that was looking forward to something different this year, I am extremely disappointed with Senator Clinton's behavior and blantant disregard for her party. I will be voting for Bill Barr if for whatever reason, Senator Clinton ends up on the ticket (President or VP).

    May 28, 2008 02:27 pm at 2:27 pm |
  14. Darrell

    I believe all delegates should be rewarded in full and all votes should be counted........

    GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!

    FIGHT TO THE CONVENTION, IF YOU HAVE TOO:)

    May 28, 2008 02:28 pm at 2:28 pm |
  15. Tammy - KCMO

    I bet if you did a poll now asking if Obama supporters would support Clinton if she got the nomination you would get a different answer than you previously had gotten.
    With all her desperate tactics and fuzzy math I don't want to see a Clinton back in office in any capacity EVER! She has pretty much ruined any chance for a woman to get elected as president for a long time to come.
    If it isn't Obama as the nominee after everything the Clinton's have pulled, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate or not at all and I will never vote Democratic again if the DNC let's her steal the nomination.
    There were too many people in MI and FL that didn't vote because they didn't think it would count for you to validate the results from either state. Obama isn't blocking the results from either state – he just wants them to be fair. This is something the Clinton's wouldn't know anything about.

    50 y/o white independent woman

    May 28, 2008 02:28 pm at 2:28 pm |
  16. jp/michigan

    It has to do with the rights of the American people! There are 50 states in these United States, regardless of what the DNC wants one to believe. The American voters in these states , had nothing to do with changing the primary dates. But those are the ones that are being punished. The DNC and the super delegates are and have already decided that Obama is the nominee, not the American people. For this reason Obama will fail in November. To the Democratic Party , the voters rights do not matter, so why should the American voters from Michigan and Florida care who is President.

    May 28, 2008 02:28 pm at 2:28 pm |
  17. Jeffrey, CO

    Hillary Clinton has went 20 million dollars in debt in 15 months. How can she run the country if she can't even run a campaign?

    I feel bad for Flordia and Michigan but honestly rules are established for a reason. That is why you DON'T move your primaries up. Once you agree to rules you can't change your mind. I feel bad for the voters who won't get their votes counted, but hey Hillary Clinton isn't counting my vote either because I live in a caucus state. We're all in the same boat.

    Lets go with the person who is 200 delegates ahead and just call this thing over.

    Either way McCain has no chance of being the next president. I think everyone forgot what happened in '06. A complete democrat take over. Republicans are old news. Bush ruined the party.

    May 28, 2008 02:29 pm at 2:29 pm |
  18. Phil in KC

    They knew the rules and they violated them any way. Hillary agreed to the rules and now wants them over-turned. Is there no accountability, no honesty?
    FL & MI need to face up to the consequences of their actions and Sen. Clinton needs to stick by her original commitment to the rules.
    I was originally neutral, as far as these two candidates were concerned. Neither of them was my 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice. I expected to wait out the process and support whoever won. The more I see of Sen. Clinton and the way she has conducted herself, though, the less I like her. This process has also tarnished her husband's image, in my opinion. I used to like him – but not as much now.
    I'm at a point now that I am fully behind Obama and would seriously consider a vote for Nader if Clinton succeeds in this tactic.

    May 28, 2008 02:29 pm at 2:29 pm |
  19. jyfranca

    I beleve in my heart hillary clinton is telling the truth that obama can't win general election.My problem is that she is saying that she is the only candidate who can beat Mccain.The problem is that she has failed to beat obama, how can she beat mccain?.And also i do not care if obama loses he is not gonna be the first one to lose, Gore lost,kerry lost.If electability is the issue then we do not have need to have primaries.we could pick hillary long time before evn primaries started.I dont buy the idea that the polls show obama looses now,its very early. And polls are changing rapidly.Last year the same time hillary was leading obama by 30 points.She was leading Mccain by 20 points in genaral election.I think if hillary is a nominee until october she will be behind by 10 poiints.Hillary is the only candidate so far who has unfavourable rate higher and the only candidate who never improves her number.Sean hannity, rush limbaugh,karl rove and all republicans supports hillary now why? because they know she is the vulnerable once she becomes candidates all base of conservatives will be energized and hillary will find herself in bad spot.

    May 28, 2008 02:29 pm at 2:29 pm |
  20. Fred up north

    Poor Hillary, She lost so much:
    The support of senators who backed in her bid for the Presidency
    The respect of her campaign team who threw her under the bus,
    The confident of her husband ( without the blue dress )
    The Kennedy family Who now hates her
    women in general ,( who thinks she had a sex change and is neither male nor female
    Blacks who she constantly insults( at least those educated enough to recognize it
    Donors who feels that she is really vying for GOP VP.
    The Rednecks who dislikes her thirst for Canadian whiskey
    white working American, they know she is behind NAFTA................../...

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  21. John

    What did we learn in 2000 folks... the popular vote does not mean anything. Gore won the big states and still lost in the general... let's not make the same mistake twice.

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  22. Darrell

    If michigan and florida should be be counted during this primary season..... then why should they count in Novemeber during the general election...... if they aren't seated at the convention in denver..... i don't think michigan and florida should vote democratic..... show them who rules:)

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  23. Ralph

    All this fighting, so Hillary can lose by a smaller margin? I can't wait until the SDs flod Obama with their votes after the 3rd, because he will still have the most delegates – what it takes to win this delegate race, as well as the legal popular vote, and the most states by 2 to 1. Those who argue, every vote should count – count for what. People didn't vote, they nominated, via a slate of delegates. Oh, what's the point? People interested in the process can educate themselves as I did, if they sincerely care. Fortunately, it is all going to end as it should, whether most people stay ignorant of the process or not..

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  24. mk

    The outcome from the DNC better be just as fair to Obama as it is to Clinton – and any other candidate that was in the race at the time of the Florida and Michigan primaries that have suspended their campaign. If there is any slant towards the Clinton campaign for any reason – I will be leading my own "SC Republicans – Previously voting Democratic -but now siding against the DNC' for jerking us around unnecessarily protest.

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  25. Shirley, Silicon Valley, CA

    We all know that Hillary is a HYPOCRITE!

    She pushes seating delegates and counting votes only because they might help her to FAKE her numbers! The Clintons cannot FOOL us!

    What a DESPICABLE person she is!

    May 28, 2008 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
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