The news is reporting that all those who have said they would not vote for Obama will do so in November when the DNC comes together.

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU!
I will be casting my vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE"!

These elections need to be decided by popular vote. I am sick of the electoral, pledge delegates, superdelegates and caucuses deciding the elections. These are antiquated systems best suited for a time and country without communication. In this day of high tech instant communication, we need to listen to the will of the people.

Hillary is crazy and I would not vote for her even if she wins the nomination. She is not even a women of her word – now she is going all the way. How can anyone trust anything she says; I don't. She scares me more than McCain. At least we know where he is coming from!

I find it interesting that the anger the voters have over Florida and Michigan being penalized for breaking the rules is not being directed towards the real culprits of this mess. The Govenors of Florida and Michigan signed the law moving the primaries up and breaking the rules of the Democratic Party. They and they alone are to blame! They gambled with the their constituents votes, without even going to the voters to see if it would be ok to make the change. Why more has not been made of this is hard to understand. If the voters of Florida and Michigan are upset, and feel disenfranchised the correct place to take up their concerns is at the govenors mansion.

The DNC leadership is what is ruining and dividing the party!!! Both Pelosi and Reid should shut up and sit down. They should be screaming from the rafters how 2 people … a man of mixed race (please remember Barack is 1/2 black and 1/2 white and should be as proud to be one as the other) and a woman … have lit a fire under the party!

They have increased the party number. They have excited their followers. Thye have brought new optimism to this country and to the world that anyone can do anything, whether you are white, black, man, woman! We should be proud of it!

The DNC needs to open their eyes and stop looking at the smaller picture and look at what this does for the spirit of the country!

An American in Canada for David : I hope with comments like that when McCain is in office as you would like – then World War 3 is goign on then you shall be happy. Lets face it – HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE SAID: The FL and Michigan DNC party are to BLAME when THEY BROKE the rules!!! Simple Simple simple – now that she is losing – the rules dont count anymore right ????
The next president of the USA HAS to be a democrat – Obama or Clinton – this is a governemtn for the people by the people – i dont understand what the negativity is about acccording to the way this are HE has WON!!! Period !!!

There will be no unity for Dems if the fatally flawed, arrogant Obama is the nominee!

It will be the Independent's time to gain momentum for 2012!

Hillary Clinton is the best choice for 2008 but McCain will do.

Hillary Supporters should urge her to run as an independent and say goodbye to The democratic party that has been taken over by left wing nuts

Sherree and others, We understand they BROKE the rules and Clinton who made this an issue late in the primaries signed away their right for their vote to count.

Those two states need to protest against their State representees or who every the person(s) who agreed by excepting this to be the outcome. DNC Leader or Obama was not the people that told them to agree to this rule, those are the people you should be angry about and hold them accountable for their actions.

Marc has it correct.

I love the clips they are playing over and over again from last fall with Hillary saying "It's clear that these primaries are not going to count". She raised no huge objection then.

Why? Well of course she didn't think she was going to need them. A truly principled candidate would have been on the record pushing for resolution so as not to disenfranchise the voters in these key states. Had she done that, she could now be referring back to those statements in an "I told you so" type of voice.

But, as per typical Hillary, she is now just using them for political means. Why do people trust this woman?

Hillary really doesn't care what the DNC says, her mind is made up to create as much chaos as possible. If she could put down the bottle for once and actually have a clear thought – she would know that if she steals this nomination…..WHO IS GOING TO VOTE FOR HER???? The so called Clinton Legacy is done….stick a fork in it and call it a day. Maybe you can go to some island far, far away and be the local dog catcher!!! P.S. Take Bill with you!!!

Hillary supporters,

some times it is popular votes
Some times its electoral college
Sometimes its super delegates
Some times it is pledged delegates

For Bill
Sometimes it is Hillary
Sometimes it is Monica

same way for Clintons

sometimes it is USA
Sometimes it is Dubai
Sometimes it is walmart
Sometimes it is blue collar workers

Go Figure

Good example for our young generation and the world.

The other name for this is called bullying.

They are just an example of how Clinton divided the part., I guarantee that if she would not have use these voter votes to try and take the nominee position, these voters would have thought second about their votes counting. Like I said they knew the rules and most didn't vote, they stayed home. But the ones who knew they was braking the rules, she played on their support.

These pastor must be an under cover Clinton or McCain supporter, just as I believe Pastor Wright was, envy of Obama success. We ALL have had preachers that want that 15 mins. of fame. Pastors who set out to destroy, you reap what you sew. We the voters are on to the both of you, and your tricks will no progress.

God will judge you in due time. Just as McCain stated just because these pastors feel this way, that in no way is a reflection of how he feels. I know without a doubt Obama is a kind man and will treat everyone with respect.

It's Still Obama 08

I have NEVER seen anyone that wanted to win as bad as Hillary, and the other amazing thing is, how she MAKES her supporters believe that Sen Obama was the one that started the race card. I watch the news EVERY night and I heard her say first that her supporters were WHITE, HARDWORKING, and UNEDUCATED, but I guess after saying those 3 things about the people who support you now I see why they believe anything she saids if they are uneducated then they don't know anybetter and she's playing on there ignorance, now thats really sad.

Obama 08

Count all the votes or lose in the general!

Obama is one scary dude! Scott's book sounds like Axelrod, and Obama has paid big time for it and will continue to pay but not in the way he he would like.

The arrogant Obama will never be president. He has major character flaws. If he had any discernment at all he would have left Trinity long ago. Of course, Michelle wouldn't let him. Did you note the congregational applause/agreement/glee in the latest pastor "white supremacy" rant?

To John in PA:

Who said:
"Thomas Jefferson talked about a majority of one being all that matters. After all the votes are counted, including Florida (both were on the ballot), and excluding Michigan (yes Hillary supporters, that was a truly flawed primary), Hillary will have won a majority of votes. However, she will not be awarded the nomination (again – sorry Hillary supporters, it's true). Thus, the will of the people (are you listening Nancy Pelosi, possibly the worst Speaker of the House in our history?) will be overturned due to convuluted delegate allocation rules. Get that Obamabots – the will of the people will be overruled. Enjoy it now, in November it all ends."

A. Thomas Jefferson's protege James Madison wrote the Constitution and gave the power to elect a president to the Electoral College! So even he was not for a straight popular vote!
B. Excluding Michigan Obama leads in the Popular vote by 273,877.

Please get your facts straight!

Maybe now All of the States will play by the rules. Funny thing The Clintons knew those states would NOT be counted back in Jan. and she was OK with that. But when she realized she CAN NOT WIN, then she all of a sudden became concerned about Florida and Michigan's voters. Lies Lies and cheat. Enough of the Clinton's.
Go home and get out of this race. She doesn't even deserve the VP position. She would probably hire someone to take out Obama so she can be the President. I don't trust any of the Clintons.
20 Million is debit tells you how much the voters want her.

To Obama supporters:

You are just as divisive as Hillary's backers and you seem to enjoy it.

Keep this up people and millions of Hillary voters with either stay home or vote for McCain in November.

We cannot forget the people who stayed home because FL and MI primaries are not valid.

If we seat everybody as is, it is a slap for the law abiding citizens (most of the times crooks get away it seems).

Also we are telling the world we don't paly by rules. It will do more harm in general elections that the disfranchaised voters who knew it is not valid but still went ahead and voted.

It is however not DNC and candidates problem. It the state government and their elected officers who broke the rules.

may be Karl Rove behind this

David: An American in Canada…

Grow up and get rid of your pacifier you big baby!

America 's children will study the history of this period (2008 Election)and be ashamed I hope! So many people cannot see any point of view other than their own. That is why there are rules.
Hillary knew what the rules were going into the race. It was only when she found herself behind that she took to the streets to convince everyone that the rules don't respect the will of the people. For those of you who buy her argument, why didn't you express your concern before she fell behind. What you are doing now is changing the rules in the middle of the game. And you are attacking Obama because you can't legitimately do that, without revealing something much nastier about our Country. Clinton is the person who has acted as the spoiler. She is the person about whom you should be expressing outrage.

Three protesters (see image) = big challenge????
That's great CNN, really great!

Why is Obama so afraid to let all the votes count. If they dont count he will never win Florida and Michigan, get over it. They went out to the polls and voted so let it count. Mcain 08, Hillary 12. Go Wictor! Go Wictor!

I think it is 17 million plus Clinton Supporters… NO OBAMA!!!!! That really would be SCARY…..

Watch how fast the democrats don't count all votes and all you lemmings will still keep supporting the hapless smucks.

GB – what does that stand for anyway? gas bag? In any event, Barack Obama, as the nominee, will want FL and MI seated. However, this still means that they should be seated fairly in accordance with DNC rules. Even if the DNC seated only 50%, the maximum according to the rules, that is 50% more than HRC agreed to before her inevitability evaporated in Iowa.

Some of you over in cult Clinton may wonder, hey, how did we get here. The answer is simple – the empress has no clothes. HRC may be plenty smart and know everything about all the issues – but that does not a good politician or president make. After all, Jimmy Carter has a PhD in nuclear physics. The point is that this was an organizational debacle from the start. Considering the state of her campaign, it's probably best that we'll never have the opportunity to see how she would run the white house. It should be telling when a candidate running on a fiscal platform of pay-go has a campaign $20,000,000 in debt.

Over-confident, arrogant, contempt for her opponents, no capacity to see beyond herself. I would never expect such behavior from a democrat – a former nixon/goldwater supporter, perhaps.

i actually like the delegate allocation… it more closely reflects every vote that was cast. take a look at my scenario, and mistake me if i'm wrong (because unlike clinton, i can admit if i'm wrong): if a town of 1,000 people vote: 340 for obama and 660 for clinton……. i expect obama to get 34% of the delegates from that state while clinton gets 66% of the available delegates. why would clinton get 100% of the delegates in that state if 34% of the people did not vote for her? how does this not make sense? these are the rules of our primaries and i think it's great. republicans as well as the general election do the winner-take-all… but that isn't reflective of the will of the people… think gore in 2000. if they didn't have winner-take-all gore would have won. anyways, clinton's arguement "if we had done it like the repubs like winner-take-all, i would be winning"—thats BS because we're NOT repubs and if she doesn't like it, she can leave and take all her undemocratic army.

David,

In the other articxle I could have sworn you said 20 million Clinton supporters. Has the number change somehow??? Look, like it or not, he probably will be tyhe first man of color in our White House. And it's about time we have a president who's intelligent and represents another side of American. One that goes back even before the settlement of Jamestown. Yes, I'm talking about people of color being present in America. He'll be your president. Get over it!

John from PA, you have put your finger right on it.

Senator McCain will be trilled that the votes in FL and MI are not counted in full. This decision by the DNC will most certainly guarantee him the Presidency.

I am 65 have voted for only two Republicans, Jim Thompson's first term and Reagan's first term.
I will not be voting for Obama, nor McCain.
Simply put, Republicans support the troops with their mouths, but when it comes to support the troops with money, proper health care, and life saving equipment, the Republicans find ways to justify not to.
As for Obama, of all the Democratic candidates except for the former Senator from Alaska, Obama is the least qualified and prepared to be President. Just as Carter's and Bush's Presidency's ended in disaster, so will Obama's.
I refuse to blindly vote Democratic in 2008, I am going to wait for 2012,
when hopefully we will nominate a competent Democratic candidate.

You mean to tell me if the shoe were on the other foot, she (Hillary) will accept getting the percentage of delegates in MI who voted noncommited??? If she were ahead, she would be fighting for the votes to be counted??? Or would she be saying Mr. Obama, look here, "you agreed to the rules way back in Jan about Florida and MI moving up therir primaries. Why can't you stick to the rules now??? Sir, why are you whinning?? It's OVER!!!" I would have to agree with this. Even though I am an Obama supporter, if he were in her shoes, I would have to say ok, we lost. So why can't she??? AMAZING AIN'T IT?

Liberation theology is rooted in MARXISM

OBAMA cannot hide from the truth….we DO NOT ACCEPT HIM AS A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN>>>HE IS MARXIST AS LONG AS HE CONTINUES AT THIS CHURCH AND HIS BUDDIES LIKE THIS PATHETIC MARXIST PRIEST!

The Democratic Primary looks fair from my perspective. The correct Candidate was selected. Forget about fair elections where people cast votes, this is what has always been the case. The people in power need to make the selection; only they know what is needs to lead into the future. The Dictatorship of the prolitariat needs to decide so why count Florida only the caucus states need to be counted. Letting the people decide is an Obomanation!. I loved Mcgovern and the rest of those fantastic candidates they have selected (not elected). Well, I have to get back to my own rigged election. Comrades and party members, I vote for McCain, after 36 years of voting democratic I say I vote for change, and BTW, Yes I can, what a load of crappola!

Almost over, Thank God. This is so old and tired. Enough already.

Sheree,
Appparently you DO NOT UNDERSTAND A PRIMARY …please read JFS, Memphis comments. That should help you understand that a party has little to do with the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. A political party is NOT tied to the constitution…..

Why not try this as a compromise? Each state gets 50% of their delegates just like the Republicans gave them – that ends that argument (Republicans care about the voters more than Democratics).

This gives Michigan 79. Clinton gets her 55% and concedes that Obama would have won the uncommitted amount 40%. He may have got more due to the black vote but there needs to be a line.
Clinton receives 44 delegates
Obama receives 32 delegates
3 uncommitted delegates or give her 2 more and 1 more to him

Florida now gets 106. They split Edwards 14% in half, Clinton gets 57%, Obama get 40%.
Clinton receives 61 delegates
Obama receives 42 delegates
3 uncommitted delegates or give her 2 more and 1 more to him

Net Gain = 31 delegates
Clinton wins 12 in Michigan and 19 in Florida

Win/Win Compromise:
1) Michigan and Florida get counted the same way the Republicans counted them.
2) A penalty in still imposed on the two states for changing dates.

I happen to have a ticket to one of those 500 seats in the meeting. I hope the rules are upheld. Doing the right thing is not always an easy thing to do. What if in the superbowl, the New England Patriots called time out, demanded a meeting with NFL officials, saying that they had more fans in the stand and that the endzone should be where the 10 yardline currently is? Please. No one would get behind it. We should not get behind it here. There is no guarantee a state will vote in a primary should there be a nominee early on. This is not the general election; it is a primary. Obama is winning in popular vote, pledged delegates, number of states won, and superdelegates. And let me add that he is ahead in integrity, the way he has conducted his campaign, and judgment. Hillary Clinton lost as the result of her own failures; not sexism. I guess sexism is the reason her campaign in $20 million in the hole?

People who Play by the RULES Prevail.

Rules are like LAWS… Break the LAW and pay the consequences.

Tell that to the Judge!!

The really sad part for FL and MI democrats is that the dates were moved by Republican controlled legislatures. The decisions were appealed to conservative state supreme courts and upheld. Both states were given 30 days to reverse the date changes, but the states stood firm.

….And the FL and MI democrats lost 100% of their delegates while the GOP lost only 50% of theirs.

To all of the blind HRC supporters from Florida and Michigan, that think they are being disenfranchised:
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FACT: Your states broke the rules set forth by the DNC. As a result, it was deemed that your delegates would not be seated at the Democratic Convention.

FACT: BOTH candidates agreed to abide by these rules set forth at the begininning of the Primary process.

FACT: Barack Obama is on the verge of securing the Democratic nomination under the rules set forth by the DNC. Choosing a Democratic nominee, is not necessarily just about the "popular vote". It's about securing the most delegates (Pledged & Super).

FACT: Your voices will be heard in the "General Election". It is your constitutional right.
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OPINION: If we (Democrats) don't find a way to reconcile our differences soon, it doesn't matter who our nominee is. Our party is on the verge of being so divided, John McCain will have a cakewalk to the White House in November. Please keep this in mind when you are bashing each other with insults. Let us unite as one party.

Democrats '08.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FOR THE DNC IS INTEGRITY.
OBAMA HAS IT . CLINTON NEVER DID.

I just hope that if their votes are not counted, Democrats in FL and MI do not go to vote, or vote for McCain. It was the party that broke the rules, not the people that showed up in record numbers to vote. Their votes should be counted.

By the way, Obama said many times (including once at a debate recently) that for him Gore won in 2000. If he thinks Gore won because he had more popular votes, why now Hillary can't get the nomination if at the end she has more popular votes? DOUBLE STANDARDS…

i just dont get it when hillary was ahead she did care about mi and fl now she put on this big show like she really care since she is behide i live in fl i did not vote because i know it would not count hillary is showing her true colors !!!!!

d

People are you listening – If you read my post, you see I don't count Michigan, so your post is irrelevant. Oh, and it's convenient for you to discount PR, but the RULES say they get a vote, just like you and me, and we all know how much you 'bots abide by the rules!

It is amazing , how so many Americans can follow a Lie like that.
People who are asking to count MI and FL / Do you think what Hillary did was right? Agreed to follow the DNC Rules and sneaked into MI and FL cheating her running mates to get some extra votes – because she already knew she was not going to win straight.
Let me tell you this.. If Barack was a white guy and Hillary a black female… we would have ended this race months ago.
Do the right thing people, you want a cheating , lying, faking female – For what?? To get lied again for the next 4 years ??
I think no matter what dirty tricks she plays with CNN's support – Obama will win the nomination. I see him now as the " CINDERELLA MAN " … Dont steal this from him.
OBAMA (2008 – 16)

You want the rest of the world to follow the USA and the way they conduct elections, but your screwing it up.
Conservative Gov. in Canada used the Repub's style and won. Look at the mess they got themselves into now thinking they can follow Bushy"s style.
You guys effect how elections are carried out around the world and thats bad example. Give your head a shake and start being the leaders that you want to be. RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!

I think no matter what they do the DNC is screwed. Clinton's next step will probably be to take it to court and further divide the party.

To be fair to the people that didn't vote because they knew it wouldn't count, I think they should divide it 50/50 and give them only 1/2 a vote. Popular votes should not be counted at alll as the results are skewed.

Obamabots – I am not trying to make the case for Hillary to be given the nomination based on popular vote. What I am trying to impress upon the 'bots is that more people will have voted for Hillary than Obama – TRANSLATION – continue to alienate the Hillary supporters, and they (the majority of Dem voters) will aliente Obama in November. Enjoy your time in the sun now, it ends in Nov.

Let her in please…If not, it will be too late. In 2016, I will be 70 and she will be 69. God knows how can she run then, and me too (with the Monicas). Help us please……. I promise there will more snipper-fires in Bosnia

I am so sick of Hillary and Bill Clinton and I'm also getting disgusted with their span. Before any game is played the organization usually set the rule to govern said game and all opposing sides then agree to said rules. All Democratics Candidates agreed since FL and MI violated the DNC Rules and moved up their Primary date they would be disqualify (At no point did I hear Hillary stating this was wrong in fact she did back up the DNC Decision); however since every other standard that she and her staff has come up with have not worked in her favor she decided to create a riff within the Democratic Party. This is the same atitude that her husband took in the 1990's that cause the democratics to lose both the house and senate. Hillary keep saying count all votes, but she do not want the vote of the Caucus States counted so is she for the people or just for herself that is the question everyone should answer, before deciding is this a vile person or not.

Rules are rules.

The powers that be knew what they were doing and they deserved to be punished.

The people who are responsible for violating Party rules are the ones that should be losing their jobs.

The conduct of Team Clinton should also be condemned.

Independent Voter – do your homework. Go to RCP, they attempt to include as many caucus votes as possible. Granted, it is not exact and may be flawed, but so are caucuses themselves.

Thanks to Brother Jeb being the "then" governor, and ole' man Bush, little Dubya was elected "president" the second, as he never was the first, and if we Democrats don't look out, John McCain will be cheated into winning Florida!

Clinton supporters should prepare for the worst. The states must be punished because they broke the rules. This last occured in 1996 with Delaware. Read your history.

Clinton broke signed agreements to NOT removing her name from the Michigan ballots. I would not be surprised if her "votes" in Michigan are invalidated because she herself broke the rules.

Also, the Rules committee must take into account voters that stayed home, too. Basing their decisions solely on the voters that did turn out will disenfranchise the ones who stayed home.

Make every voter count, remember.

Ferraro..talks about Reegan's Dem finding Obama scary….Ferraro..you are an old lady with a walking stick in your head!!

OMG!! THEY BROKE THE COTTONPICKIN RULES; DON'T BLAME OBAMA FOR YOUR STATES ERROR. I DON'T CARE WHO MOVED UP THE DATES, BOTTOM LINE THEY AGREED TO THE RULES. HILLARY HAS MADE THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN A MOCKERY. THIS IS NOT A WOMAN WHO REPRESENTS ME IN THE LEAST. THIS IS WHY MEN DON'T WANT WOMEN IN CHARGE OR CONTROL THEY ARE LIKE CRAZY ALLY CATS WHO DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP. THIS IS JUST HILLARY AND BILL TRYING TO COMPLETE THE PAC THEY MADE WITH EACH OTHER; HE GOES FIRST AND SHE GOES SECOND FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. TELL ME WHAT HAS HILLARY DONE THAT MAKES HER SO EXPERIENCED? SHE JUST AS AN EMPTY SUITE THAT MANY OF YOU ARE CALLING OBAMA.

JUST REMEMBER WHEN ALL THIS IS OVER HILLARY WILL GO BACK TO HER RICH LAVISH LIFE AND YOU WILL BE LONG FORGOTTEN JUST LIKE SHE HAS FORGOTTEN THE AFRICIAN AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR THEM IN THE 90′S; HOWEVER MOST OF US WHO ARE ON THIS BLOG WILL GO BACK TO STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE HARSH ECONOMY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WILL FEED OUR KIDS AND PAY BILLS.

YOU PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID TO BELIEVE THIS WOMAN CARE ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. NOW SHE'S RIDING THE BACKS OF OLD PEOPLE AND THE LATINOS. LATINOS DON'T FALL FOR IT SHE WILL DUMP YOU JUST LIKE SHE DID THE AFRICIAN AMERICANS. THEY USE AND ABUSE WHOMEVER THEY CAN. MI AND FL DIDN'T MATTER TO HILLARY UNTIL SHE SAW HERSELF LOSING NEITHER DID SHE SCREAM SEXISM UNTIL SHE REALIZE SHE COULDN'T CATCH UP. HILLARY IS AN OLD REPUBLICIAN POLITICIAN; SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAS FOOLED ALL OF AMERICA.

How can HRC be trusted when she is the same person who agreed to all the rules of the game and now that she's behind..she denies ever agreeing. Her advisors are backing up with the same story as they are going to be without a job come Jan 09!!

to :An American in Canada for DAVID
I don't know who's David although I do have something in mind. Give us a break. Your crystal bowl need to be clean giving you the wrong image about David and to who's going to be the President. Try this clean the bowl.

Hillary has made this an issue for her own benefits end of story. If not she should also be fighting for the GOP 1/2 delegate count since she claims for work for Americans.

I can't believe that the Democratic Party, which I have been a member of 30 years, would make rules and then change them to appease one candidate. What this means is that in the future, any state can do anything and there will be no consequences. I also understand that Ms. Clinton plans to send in busloads of supporters to protest thereby forcing the hand of the DNC and further dividing the party. She should be ashamed of herself! Although I do not approve of his use of words, the priest was right– there is a real sense of entitlement!

I think that the Republicans and the Clintons are pushing people to play the race card. If this was a White man from TX, FL, MI, WV, NV or the other states that Clinton had won, She'd have been out of this race last year. Why have you-all not spoken about Hillary & Bill Clintons Molesting Pastor, Why have you not put the spin on that Why are you-all so hateful of Senator Obama and why are you-all so afraid of the Clintons and Where did she get the money to pay for these ads and why has she not paid her people in her campaign and others. She is in debt up to her hair ends? Go ahead and give Senator Obama this nomination he has truly earned it and will do the best by the people.

i Just have 6 words:
"OPERATION CHAOS IS IN FULL EFFECT"

If Obama is chosen and loses the election then Hillary is the only one to blame because she has brainwashed her week minded supporters not to vote for the Democratic party.
As this drags out it becomes difficult for her to fix what she has done.

Any Democrat at this point should win against the Bushes 3rd term that is if the Brain Dead Zombies wake up.

How many more innocent lives will be lost in the next 4 to 8 yrs? How many more trillions will be spent?

Wake up Zombies!!!!!

Paid for by the Democratic party 2008

Rick,

Get your facts on the popular vote. Go to RCP and see how they project after PR. All I am saying is that the will of the people will be overturned.. Elections and baseball have nothing in common, nice, but weak try at an explanation.

It's really pretty simple: Michigan and Florida chose not to play by the rules. If the DNC lets them get away with it, then four years from now they'll have a frenzy of 48 states (those not being Iowa or New Hampshire) trying to move up their primary/caucus dates so they'll have more impact and be pandered to in the same transparent, meaningless way Iowa and New Hampshire are pandered to.

Florida, Michigan, and Howard Dean you've made your bed. Now climb in, pull the covers up, and put the final nail in Dracula's coffin.

Only one question why did she sign the pledge???????

I am a Reagan Republican, I hope soon to be an Obama Democrat. I will only do this if the rules commitee does the right thing and follows the rules. I want change like most of the country, I only see the same old crap if HRC is allowed to roll ov er the DNC. This will be interesting.

MC CAIN , OBAMA , NADER, BARR AND HOPEFULLY OUR INDEPENDENT CANDIATE HILARY CLINTON…
GO HILARY 08

Clinton Supporters:

I just do NOT understand. Please please explain it to me. Why should the rules be changed FOR Clinton?? These states broke the rules and that's the end of it. Why change it for her? Doesn't this seem extremely selfish of her? Why support someone like that. She doesn't care about people's voting rights, she just NEEDS more votes.

People please think about this. And no I'm not a man, I'm a woman AND a feminist, but I'm still honest. This woman has bad intentions, she doesn't care about the american people. WAKE UP.

PLEASE LEARN HOW TO SPELL – IT'S BEEN SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS THAT YOU'RE EDUCATED. IN MY ENTITLED OPINION YOU'RE JUST UNEDUCATED FOLLOWERS!! YOU SPELL WORSE THAN 3RD GRADERS. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY

I have yet to have anything posted on this glaringly, hatefilled, supposed to be fair and balanced media site. People of this country need to wake up!!!!! Obama surrounds himself with unsaavory characters, whom launched his career. If you don't think payback will be at our expense you are crazy!! This guy is nothing but trouble for this country. He is clearly MARXIST!!!! I always told my kids, "you are judged by the company you keep!", and the company that he has enlisted to rise him to power will be knocking on his door for repayment!!!! Is the media so blind? Is this country so blind? There is huge trouble looming!!!! I will never vote for this man!!!!

Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan because he was playing by the rule….those votes should naturally be split. However, if he did campaign and was included on the ballot, maybe he would have won Michigan! Who knows?

Anyway, rules are rules. I'm voting Democrat for the first time and I can't believe how crazy this party is! Unbelievable! Hillary is hurting her party.

Even though the public is not allowed inside the convention hall it might be fun to go to Denver anyway. Temperatures should be in the mid 80's. I think it would be fun just to be there when the Democrats finally pick their nominee. Who do you think it will be?

OBAMA WAS TOLD NOT TO CAMPAIGN IN FL AS SO WAS HILLARY

OBAMA MAY WIN THE BATTLE (NOMINATION) BUT HE WILL NEVER

WIN THE WAR (PRESIDENCY)

AND SO SAY 15 MILLION CLINTON SUPPORTERS!

The DEMs have a King Solomon dilemma and only problem is Dean doesn’t have a pair line King Solomon did.

Count all "Soviet-election" votes as in Michigan? Count all Operation KAOS votes (over 300,000)? Discount caucus state votes? The DNC will have to wade through these issues, but the path to unity is not far away.

Lets see if I got this correct….

Hillary was ok with Florida and Michigan losing their delegates when she was the frontrunner, and even put it in writing. Now she is changing her mind and wants to change the rules (that she agreed to in writing) just because she's no longer the frontrunner ??? If she wanted those votes to really count, then why did she sign the agreement ?

Sorry Florida and Michigan, all you had to do is abide by the rules and your votes would have counted. You can't change the rules after the game is done to change the outcome. Better luck next time, this one is over with.

MarcB

they BROKE THE RULES. get over it.

Hillary can't win,maybe she thinks if she wins by a smaller margin that it would make her feel better? you think?FYI, Hillary a win is a win even if it's by 1 point.(sorry) you loose! and you go down looking real bad..and thats even worst.Save face bow out today, before it's to late….
V.
California

People, let's not get irrational.

What good would it do to vote for a McCain ticket just because your candidate didn't make it? That's not good sense; it's jealousy and envy, not to mention childish. I don't care who you support, Hillary or Obam, both candidates are far better than McCain. Please don't vote based on childish motives…..the Democratic Party needs to unite in order to break the 8-year slump that the United States of America has been in!

I can't believe that with the incredible stakes in this election that Mr. Dean is in charge of the process; this is a person that starts shrieking on live television, remember? God

Maybe BO should send his uncle to save the day for Michigan and Florida.

I don't really care if they nomination process is fair or not, I just want Clinton to be the nominee.

All friends (Kerry, Kennedy) of Obama supported Iraq War.

Does Obama care for their judgement ?

This man has Double standards.

I live in Florida and everything is a challenge when you have incompetent leadership. Go ahead McCain and take Governor Christ as your VP running mate. That is one less clown we have to get rid of. Now if we can figure out what to do with the rest of the goons that run this state a muck. The only sane one here in Florida is Wexler.

What you Obama-ites don't understand is that the Florida and Michigan primaries aren't about either candidate. It is about the "will of the people". But you only mention that when it has Obama winning. No one should play around with Florida delegates. They were both on the ballot, give them out exactly the way they were voted. AS for Michigan, unless you want the state to vote republican, out of protest, You should re-do the primary. Then you will know the real "will of the people". Stop trying to force Obama down our throats cause we will regurgitate. Then in November we will be telling all of you Obama-ites to stop crying "How did we loose our entitlement to the presidency???"

To some people in Florida – do you beleive the people who followed the rules and didn't vote should be excluded from the contest. I'm puzzled when I read how Florida has not healed from 2000 election, yet the majority of the state voted for Bush again in 2004.

Racist as President ?

Obama knew this new Rev for 20 years.
Obama knows and befriends all radicals and racist.

Here's a simplified analogy: Obama and Clinotn decide to have a foot race for the nomination. Before the race starts they agree: the mailbox will be the start line and the stop sign will be the finish. They shake on it; all are in agreement. The pistol fires and they take off….Obama gets to the stop sign first puts his hands in the air and says "I won". Clinton keeps running past the stop sign to the yield sign across the street, touches it and put her hands in the air and says "I won". Obama, confused, turns to her and says "I thought we agreed to the rules before the race started, how can you say you won?" Clinton: "Oh I know what I said before the race but half way through I realized I was losing so I decided to change the finish line to the yield sign, so I win". A childish analogy perhaps, but I hope you get the point. Does it seem fair or genuine to anyone for Clinton to call foul eventhough she is on record agreeing with the DNC ruling that Fl and MI would not count? How do you Clintonistas square this with your conscious? I'm baffled……..

THIS SO UNDERHANDED. Talking about try to steal an election. This is what's not being said about MI and FL/

1) All candidates signed to talk their name off of MI ballot. Only Hillary did not.

2) There was a referandum for House owners that brought the public out in FL. Being that the Majority of Home owners in Fl are Older White voters, it being a major retirement community, this voting bloc heavily favors Clinton. The majority of young voters and college student, and other non homeowner would have had no reason to show for voting since they where told thee votes wouldn't count.

Barack Obama WILL be the next president of the USA.
Hillary will go home wondering what she did wrong
and McCain, he's so ???(is there an adjective for him?) we don't care where he goes.

utterly disgusting how Sen Obama and his campaign has played RACE card, while declaring "racist" to anyone who did so.

Obama played dirty politics in Chicago in 1996, and doing the same again by dividing country and Americans.

Hillary will do anything to win. She agreed in the beginning that Michigan and Florida would not count but now she wants to change the rules. She thought she would never need the to beat Obama.

Bye bye Hillary. Sorry Bill, you can't use the White House as a cat house again.

Here is the deal: The DNC should not allow any further discussion about this after Saturday – why? Because as mentioned earlier – those two states did not follow the rules and the rules are what those states should abide by and not be pressured by a potential candidate who is losing and who is losing fairly.

Americans should not be tied up in the turmoil of this ordeal. With all due respect to the Clintons, each of them – I think they should respect the rules and have some dignity to abide by them and not use this as a tactic to try and win – if would be sad to think this would be a good way to try and win and I find that I am not alone in this gesture but many more are as well.

Lets keep this in perspective – Clinton is losing and Obama is winning and he would be the best candidate against the republican John McCain.

This country needs fresh ideas, a new attiude for change and a leader that will actually lead our country and show other countries how is should be done and done with integrity.

Someone pleas advise: Why is it that a loser by all numbers just cannot understand its time to join hands and prepare for the final bout with McCain instead of lurking for other ways to pull a win? I will tell you and I will be brief: a lack of dignity will do it to anyone all the time.

Thank you for my five minutes everyone and have a great day.

Let the best candidate claim his victory and all join in to the future of a great America.

Regards,

Lionel Missouri

The Republicians are all over these boards pretending to be HRC supporters. Guess what it won't work McBush is toast !!! come Nov.

Please let Hillary in, I will stay in the basement with the Monicas. Long time no Monicas…

The way that HRC has changed her tune and the way her supporters want "ALL" the votes counted- (except take away caucus votes and count votes that Hillary said wouldn't count)- furthers her demise and tarnishes her once great legacy.
These people need to quit with their selective memories and let it GO- they have lost and that's all there is to it!The fat lady has taken the stage and is about to start singing!

Florida and Michigan take your frustrations right to your state capitals for getting into this mess, now the DNC committee have to clean up this mess because of the lack of leadership from both states. It's no sense in getting upset or protesting the DNC, they are doing what's necessary for all parties and states.

Bob – I am new to this country.

It's called a mature democracy Bob. Can't you tell the difference from Iraq's infant democracy? I mean, it is the one the dems want to run out on..

And if you, can' tell the difference, how can the liberals possibly say that Iraq isn't reaching reconciliation fast enough???

Way to go President Hillary!!!

Obama is used to winning elections with manipulative, underhanded techniques–can,t quite understand why the DNC is going along with it–probably because he is the more moldable of the 2–they are counting on all Dems in November..American people–show the DNC whose vote counts the most–vote McCain (who will make a great moderate-minded President and is also patriotic.)

children learn from their parent, they don't know the right unless someone teach the right things.

I have a question for all of the other 48 states that played by the rules, doesn't this piss you off? How many primaries were already decided in years past where the later states voice or "votes" didn't really matter? Please get real

The DNC should seat ALL Delegates and the votes go according to the votes from those states. NO ONE told Barack Hussein Obama to take his name off of the ballot, so seeing that Hillary Clinton won both states, the delegates should be awarded accordingly.

After reading about what Obama did in Chicago, I wouldn't put anything past him, for he will do whatever it takes to take out Hillary Clinton.

Obama CANNOT beat McCain in November, so that is why we need the "Super Delegates to give their support to Hillary Clinton, for she will be able to beat McCain in November.

If the Democrats want to LOSE the White House in November, then give Barack Hussein Obama the nomination, and see what happens in November.

Hillary Clinton for President 2008

The Democrats will not be able to unite and the Republicans win.

And just suppose Hillary is able to hoist herself up into the nomination? What will Obama's millions of supporters think? And the mere fact that Hillary keeps changing the rules, crying foul, and undermining Obama makes the scenario unlikely that Hillary would be able to unite Dems in November and that's what its all about. And while Hillary is complaining and trashing Obama, perhaps her and her supporters should stop and think there may be one reason Hillary lost so much support: Its not the extremely negative campaigning she undertook, or the nonexistent sexism issue, or her husband Bill. It could be that many Dems and independents who opposed the Iraq war from the beginning remember Hillary voted for the war, sending thousands to their death, and do not trust Hillary simply because of it. I think the anti-war vote has been extremely underestimated by Hillary and her supporters.

Obama '08

I really start to believe that this all about RACISM and SEXISM. The Democratic party are so over-excited by the light from the rest of the world and are so eager to show the world that the United States of America is able to elect a biracial candidate as President of the Union that they forget descency, electabilty, fairness and its own foundation – DEMOCRACY and equel treatment.

Hillary could run as an Independent. If she has the popular vote, why not. She won the big states and there are a lot of people who will disinfranchised. THIS IS A POSSIBLITY.

Hmmmmmmmm…………………..

If they can't even run their own party successfully, how can they possibly run the country??

The DNC and their "rules" will lose total credibility if they allow the delegates to be seated.

The states knew the rules, the nominees knew the rules, the nominees each gave their signature agreeing to the sanctions.

Now because it will play in Hillary's favor and there's all this hype about sexism, and that she is being treated unfairly, give me a break. What will she complain about with the media if she ever did become President? Has she not paid attention to the criticisms of the last 2 administrations. We do not need someone who will complain when things dont go their way.

If the DNC gives in, who's to stop many more states from moving their primary dates up next election?

They need to end this now, or else the Dems dont stand a chance in November. Remember Ralph Nader is running, Remember Gore vs. Bush?

Well

In 2007 Hilary said that she knows this Michigan and Florida will not count for anything. The media has her comments on record. Now she is desperately trying to have them count. When you do not follow the rules, you have to deal with the consequences. This is called order. They were aware of consequences and proceeded forward in breaking the rules. This is not Obama's or Hilary's fault. Whoever made this decision is who you should direct your outrage to, but what was done is done and you will have November to vote for your candidate. This is just the primaries. November is the most critical time when we can have our voices heard. We need change and we need someone who will make change and that is Senator Obama. DNC do the right thing so we can focus on November and real change.

REPUBLICANS ARE PROTESTING TO COUNT ALL THE VOTES, I BET.

I AM IN FLORIDA AND IF MY VOTE IS NOT COUNTED, WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT CHOSE NOT TO COUNT IT?

I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN OR NOT AT ALL.

IT IS A SHAME AND HYPOCRITICAL TO WANT TO COUNT ALL VOTES IN 2000 AND NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO……. AND WE WONDER WHY THEY THINK ALL DEMS ARE CRAZY.

THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE VERY SICK PEOPLE. SUCH HATRED. ADD UP ALL THE SCANDALS OF OBAMA'S. AND YOU STILL HEAR NOT A PEEP OUT OF HIS SUPPORTERS. LET HILLARY STUMP HER TOE, AND THEY ARE ALL OVER IT. YES OBAMA PEOPLE ARE VERY SICK .

It seems to me that the question we are asking is something similar to this:

When your child intentionally disobeys you or a family rule to twist your hand into giving him/her what he/she wants, do you reward the child for it?

Oh just seat them and be done with it. He still is going to get a good handful of them that may put him over the top. I mean 3 other states broke the rules to and their votes counted. Over 2mill. people came out to vote within these 2 states not just a few thousand. They can't step in and say your vote doesn't count with this big number or they will commit political murder to their party.

The thing that bothers me about this is they agreed to deny the voters their freedom to vote and have them count. BOTH Hillary and Obama agreed to this. The peoples rights should have never been jeperadized like that. Rules ares rules but to agree to them if they take the rights from the people are they really rules?

CNN Here is my input as to how Obama will win -

I'm convinced that Obama can win this election if he is smart. Here is what he needs to do -

Get this Ferraro woman on his SIDE, not his team but his SIDE and have her help to show he's not sexist…..

Make another speech about the greater good of the party inviting Hillary to make the pitch also. This will send a strong signal that they are not hating but fiercely competing. He has to be the initiator though to get credibility and buy in from Hillary's supporters.

Address the FL and MI issue that he wasn't the one who decided… ASk them if he wasn't leading would the push be the same by his opponent? Ask them also, why should he try to give his lead away through no fault of his? He should be clear in saying and convincing others that if they look back at his campains the would realize that he would have been vigorously campaining in both states and the outcome would have / could have been much different….

Make it clear that he can't make the decision to please all in the FL and MI issue, but thinks the 50% split is a reasonable deal……

Should let America realize that he paid is price for the first pastor problem and shouldn't be paying again for another….

where i wanted to comment, the article was already closed, so i figured i comment here. WHY DOES OBAMA HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE FOR EVERYTHING, HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT COMES OUT OF ANOTHER MAN'S MOUTH, NO MORE THAN HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ANOTHER PERSON DOES. HE IS NOT JESUS, BUT YALL ARE SURE TREATING HIM LIKE HE IS. HANGING HIM FOR EVERYONE'S SINS. I CAN BELIEVE THIS SSSSSSHHHHH! AND WHY IS EVERYONE SO MAD, SNL DID THE SAME THING, AND THEY DID NOT GET THIS MUCH HEAT.

THANKS,
A ONCE HILLARY SUPPORTER!

Just give her the delegates to make her happy. She still loses, and she gets what she wants. GET THIS THE HELL OVER!!!!

Thanks Pelosi and Reid for rushing my party's super delegates…I'll rush my decision as well…McCain 2008!!! or Don't Vote

The Democratic parties in Florida and Michiganwent AGAINST their party's rules on when to hold primaries. As such, why shouldn't these two states be held accountable fo the consequences of their actions?

Why do he have to appologize for what he said. He is a Priest and can say anything he feel the spirit says. Yes Hillar was told not to campaign or do anything because Bill has people in high places that would give her the Presidentcy. Now if you people are blind then don't listen to the Priest but condem him for what he said. What we as American People should do is tell the Clinton's that we don't live in a country where we have a Ruler that tells us how to act, walk and talk. This is American and I thought that somewhere we were free to talk, act and wallk without being having to have a body part cur off. If we let the Clinton's take this Presidency then yes will be in HELL. I hope that somebody somewhere would tell Hillary that the Blue Collar, Old People, and White people will vote for Obama if he is the President and they don't have to be afraid of them because they don't Rule this Country,

Way to go Democrats. You make us proud to be Republicans…!!!!

Nevada and SC also broke the rules – why are they not being treated the same way as Florida or Michigan?

Go Hillary!!

Count all the votes. Seat all delegates. DNC (Howard Dean)!!! you are the cause of all this mess. You are un-democratic.

If Obama is the nominee we will not vote. He is winning by cheating (He just one all caucaus. No swing states which isn't enough come Nov)!

CNN – STOP CENSORING DISSENT.

POST THIS COMMENT!

Obama will use the "rules" to win, just like he did in his first run for office in Chicago, when he used a technicality to get all his opponents taken off the ballot.

It doesn't matter that the "rules" are undemocratic. Anything to win. Well, there's no honor in that Sen Obama and you will reap what you sow in November. You are only running for the nomination remember, you haven't been elected yet.

So much for "Change we can believe in". Pffffft. Whatever. Same old politics as usual.

Hey folks Obamas true colors are starting to show. All this talk now on how he stole his senate seat away in Chicago is really interesting. Its hard to lose an election when you are the only choice! Thats what he did in Chicago. I suggest you all read up on it. He is JUST another CUT THROAT POLITIAN. NO DIFFERENT THEN ALL THE REST. The only difference is he has no experience, well if you want to call registering voters experience then good for you. My brother in law is retired and does that too. But I wouldnt vote for him for President of anything! Get wise. Obama took his name off the ballot for a reason. This is the reason, David Axlerod is no dummy, they knew this would create problems for them. They knew Hilary would kick butt in Florida and Michigan, they never wanted them to count. Obama refused to have a revote. Not Hilary. I am voting for Hilary in November anyway. I hope she tells the dnc to —- off and runs as independent, Hey LIeberman won!

It is time for the DNC to stand up for itself!! Stop letting the bullies run the party…..

Jeff you have to follow the rules, the leaders in Fla and Mi did not and now they must pay the price for not following the rules, they wanted to be the big dogs and go first and so they did, the D N C told them what would happen if they changed the dates, if anyone should be kicked in the butt it should be the leadership of the Fla and Mi Dem party. the voters need to get more into what the party is doing on the local level.

To all sore loser, Judas democrats,

Thanks for supporting my war with your votes.

Signed,

John McCain

Why should the Michigan delegates be split 50/50 if it was Obama himself who took his name off the ballot in a strategic move? Tough luck.

The DNC rules were established so all the candidates can follow them. But now that the clintons noticed they are loosing, they wanna force the Party to change the rules in their favor. This is not fair.
Come on DNC ! Hurry up and CROWN OBAMA OUR NOMINEE.
Florida and Michigan against the 48 other states is not gonna change the outcome.

Folks what do you not get, Votes do not replace delegates,
okay, now we as party must unite against McCain, or else we will have four more years of the same old Stuff we have had for the last 8 years, I support Obama, but I would support Clinton if she would so how get the nod. But for the unity of the Party and for our country we need to end this thing soon, kiss, hug and make up and then get on with it and beat McCain. Everyone stop listen, take a deep breath and deal with facts not emotions.

Okay Hillary supporters, do you really want to piss off Obama? If so then yes ask HIllary who will not come to her defense if she keep up this foolishness. Hillary if you signed the DM pledge then let it go, if you didn't sign then you have a right to complain. Now as far as all you bitter fans, you all should realize that you all are not the other people in the 48 states that have voted in this election. If you guys choose to take it to the streets then that says a lot about why Hillary voted for a flawlless war. Yes because she loves drama even if there is none.. So I suggest you go come and bake some cookies and cake for Bill and Hillary and not piss off the other voters in the 48 states. We are not gripping we only want what is fair and for Hillary to talk everything is not fair.

HILLARY YOU AND YOU FAMILY WILL NOT WIN WHY? DOUBLE VOTEING AND YOU STILL CAN NOT WIN!! GOD SEE YOU AND SO DO THE GOOD SOUL ,AND GOD KNOWS ALL THE DOUBLE VOTER BY NAME ,AND ALL YOU NUTS THAT IS GIVING HILLARY MONEY, SHE HAVE 109 $$$$,HAVE SHE DID ANYTHING FOR YOU?(NO!!).

Well I will be watching all the major news stations tommorow in anticipation of the DNC decision? If i see any underhanding, bullying statics, illegal activites, I for one feel that we need to protest!!!!!! Pelosi, Reid and others want this crap from HRC to stop! JUST because her hubby was PREZ does not entitle her to be PREZ as well! She cannot get away with lies, theivery, manipulated, and downright, sleaz in her attempt to be the MAN oops I mean MADD ame President!

OBAMA 2008-2012

Do any of you think if Senator Clinton did not need these votes to make some type of showing that she would be pursuing them – we all know that she would not. The DNC is not going to do anything that would be unfair to either of the candidates – like overrule the pledged delegates vote. The simple thing to do is just stick with what the rules are but they don't want to leave any of the voters out, but a question, what about the voters who were told that their vote would not count and did not go out and vote?

These guys in the pictrue are GOP trolls trying to start trouble. It's hard to tell these days who is a real Clinton supporter and who is a GOP troll since they are acting exactly the same.

Doesn't everyone know by now that rules never apply to Clintons?

Obama's supporter on the DNC rules committee actually originally voted AGAINST stripping FL and MI. HRC's supporters all voted in favor and HRC herself said the states "don't matter" b/c the election will be decided on Super Tuesday. Obama didn't support the revote b/c logistically you couldn't get the polling places and election judges in place in time. There was just too short a time window for a revote. Obama did have a national tv ad that appeared in FL when he wasn't supposed to campaign, but then again, HRC was down there constantly doing "fundraisers" which wasn't technically campaigning. FL never really heard either candidate and HRC went there with national name recognition so she had an advantage in a no campaign state. MI as an election was so truly flawed it is not even worth going into. HRC's popular vote argument involves counting all votes from MI and FL, giving no votes to Obama from MI, and throwing out 4 states with sanctioned elections. But of course, she (the candidate most responsible for getting FL and MI stripped in the first place) is the candidate of making sure "every vote counts". Yeah, whatever.

Adhere to the rules! There are those that always want to do whatever they want to and don't want to deal with the results of their decisions. If the Florida and Michigan voters have a beef, it should be with their elected officials, not Obama and the DNC.

All Michigan and Florida votes should be counted as they were cast.

Bottom line: Why penalize the voters for the stupidity and opportunism of their state's leadership? Seat 'em all, count em all.

Hillary keeps saying that she is leading in the popular vote, but SHE ISN'T! She is completely excluding those that properly voted in FOURTEEN states and including those that voted improperly in just two states.

Talk about disenfranchisement! She seemingly has absolutely no concern for the populations of FOURTEEN being included in the popular vote totals.

Not only that. The two states that she includes violated the rules of the Democratic party, while the FOURTEEN others followed their own rules and those of the party in choosing their candidate.

By the way, the population of states that held caucuses is DOUBLE that of the states that Hillary is so concerned with.

CONCLUSION – Hillary is another truth-bender that will do anything to achieve her personal goals, regardless of the rules. Does that remind us of anyone? Does ANYONE really want that again?

Why does Nanci Pelosi say that the superdelegates should do the will of the people? Did Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Bill Richardson's states go to Hillary in the primary? Why are they allowed to back another candidate and go against the "WILL OF THE PEOPLE?"

Robert GA May 30th, 2008 9:20 am ET

Michigan should not be seated unless evenly divided since Mr Obama was not on the ballot. Florida should be seated with a 55% 45% split since Mr Obama did not campaign in Florida,

To Robert in Georgia–Whe should Sen. Obama get equal division in Michigan? The Obama campaign, and his supporters, are fond of pointing out he was not even on the ballot in Michigan. But, once again, Obama is not telling the full truth. He wants people to see only what he would like the truth to be. He had a chance to be on the ballot in Michigan and was in fact slated to be on the ballot in Michigan. However, HE TOOK HIS NAME OFF THE BALLOT HISMELF. There is no Clinton conspiracy here. Obama did not care about the people of Michigan because he could not use them in some way to get the nomination therefore he did not care if the voice a vote for him. He could have left his name on the ballot but HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT MICHIGAN. Now he should not be able to reap a reward for his actions. NO ONE FORCED OBAMA SUPPORTERS TO VOTE CLINTON IN THE PRIMARY. They could have voted undecided.

If the DNC is to be fair a 50/50 split would solve all problems. Now if Hillary wants to fight this then what kind of President would sign a document and then challenge the American People to disrepect it. This is the type of issues the American needs to take into account. If Hillary is a true American Presidential Candiate she would say because I sign a pledge not to campaign there then to seat them would be a fair 50/50 split. But if she says no to this pledge that she signs and takes it further then the American People should understand that she can't lead this country no better that Mr. Bush.

Perhaps Americans should not be allowed to vote. After all, we have become a most ignorant society. Remember 2000 when Bush became president because too few people could imagine that their "barbecue buddy" was only competent at lying but not leading?
Remember 2004, when Americans still could not piece the truth together about this horrible president? They said, "Well at least we know what we're getting." Really? Then why should anyone want change now?

Pundits ask us if a McCain presidency would be a third Bush term. The more astute question would be "what would be different about an Obama presidency?" Since the man is incoherent when it come to expressing himself and essentially tells us nothing about his PLANS as president, it is quite possible that an Obama administration would mirror the Bush adminstration more than McCain's ever would.

They say ignorance is bliss. Too many Americans are blissfully embracing the flowery language of a man that we really know nothing about. Just as too many fell in love with the neighborly George W., the current love affair with Obama will also end in a rude awakening.

If Americans would pull themselves out of their self-imposed ignorance and vote with their well-informed heads instead of their gullible hearts, Clinton would be further ahead. We would not need to be worrying whether we should act like a true democracy and count every citizen's vote, or let the greatest deceiver lead us further down the road to ruin.

Unfortunately, Americans no longer understand what it means to be an American. Ignorance wins again. But who could have imagined?

Ones character is determined by how one fights and how one loses.

It really bothers me that Hillary feels that believing in herself at the expense of all else benefits the American people. If I had a friend who did this I would wonder how far she would go against me should I disagree with her.

Let me see. She completely dismissed those states she didn't win even though many voted for her in those states. She threatened to sue Texas for its "two-step" voting system if she didn't win there.
She had total disregard for the voters in Florida and Michigan until she started losing.

Not to mention that she had so much fighting within her campaign, and mismanaged her finances (she couldn't provide healthcare to her staff for a while). Why would we believe she can choose and control her administration AND help the economy, if she can't handle something on a much smaller scale?

I don't know people. I tell my kids it's not what you feel about something, it's what you THINK about it. We may have strong feelings about HIllary, but to get us out of this mess we need to start thinking!

50/50 is the best way to handles this.Hillary want all but she
knew the rules,I think she is being very selfish her here,she is
loosing and she is shock that and unknown beat her and it is
her husband Bill that is prolonging this. Trying to find away to
steal this from Obama,which have been more than fair to her.
Her attacks on him cost her and things she and Bill said. Time
get behind Obama win this election november. Kansas governor
will be his choice for the VP.Hillary have hurt her chances.

It's over Hillary! Hang it up! You've already lost every ounce of dignity. Limp back to the Senate, encourage your supporters to vote for Obama, and go bake a cake or something. I'm a woman of the new millennium and I would have voted for you had you not given women such a bad name. Your entire campaign makes ALL women look bad. Through your misguidance the world will think that American women will lie, steal, cheat, cry, throw tantrums, whine, and back-bite to get what we want. Face facts, it's just not your time. Maybe next time (though I doubt it).

A true LADY (not woman) knows how to make an entrance and WHEN to take an EXIT!

HRC's acceptance of the FL/MI penalty then but want to debunk it now… almost sounds a lot like her decision to support the war back in the day, but protest it now…. hmmm see a pattern here.

Maybe if she did get to get the 3am phone call she'd say one thing on the phone then at 7am say oh I was half sleep, I didn't mean to say that….

Love how Hillary supporters are marching in DC rather than working today.

Typical Hillary Supporters.

People, the "elections" in Florida and Michigan were SHAMS. It is not "democratic" to count the results from a sham election. Period. All this "count all the votes" stuff is ludicrous. The elections were meaningless exercises, something that Hillary herself admitted before the Michigan primary.

Next thing we know, Hillary is going to be crying to have the American Idol votes counted in a way that benefits her.

DNC YOU MADE THE RULES NOW YOU MUST ABIDE BY THEM, FACTS WHEN MICH. AN FL. VOTED HERE HOW IT WENT. OBAMA NAME WAS NOT ON BALLOT. THEREFORE YOU CAN NOT GIVE HIM VOTES HE DID NOT RECEIVE. THE VOTE WAS UNCOMMITTED AN I DON,T THINK HIS NAME IS UNCOMMITTED, IF THE PEOPLE OF MICH. WANTED MR. OBAMA THEY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN HIS NAME IN. FACT FL. ACORDING TO DNC RULES THERE WAS TO BE NO CAMPAINING IN FL. MR. OBAMA BROKE THOSE RULES BY RUNNING ADS ON T.V. 2 WEEKS BEFORE ELECTION THEREFORE HE SHOULD BE DISSQUILFIED. DELEMA OVER HILLARY WINS. THESE ARE THE FACTS.

Jack Colson – he used the LEGAL CAMPAIGN RULES in place in Chicago. He did not do anything sneaky or underhanded. If those candidates could not follow basic campaign rules properly, they had no business in public office in the first place. We have enough idiots in office who believe that they are above the law. Obama did NOTHING wrong in Chicago. He only ensured that future candidates would be more meticulous about their campaigns and there is nothing wrong with that.

Give. It. A. Rest. Already!

Florida and Michigan Protesters….Just curious!!! the Republicans are responsible for this mess and now you decide to protest the (DNC) Jim ….You don't trust Howard Dean and the DNC Stop and think about The real deal …..Blame THE REPUBLICANS ( elected officals) move the date up and they have no shame and now they are justing watching the SOAP OPERA and FINGER POINTING …… …it is called DIVIDE and CONQUER!!!!!!

Either way DNC decides MI or FL, it will not be fair to either candidate.

I must be missing something. Please help me out? How can two people take the democrat party down? It’s two of them Bill and Hill and millions and million of us (the voters). In my opinion. Yes, the Clintons have done a lot of damage, but it’s us voters who will be going to the polls. Yes, I hear if Clinton doesn’t get the nominee your redundant statements. I will vote for McCain, McBush what ever. I think we the American people have torn the primary up more then Hillary..

Earth to Hillary supporters. Please come down to earth. Obama followed the rules. Hillary followed until she got behind. If she had been over the top with the 10 or so big states, which is the only ones she cared about until Obama won eleven straight. Now she can relate to so many, hard working Americans and wont all votes to count. The biggest hog wash in American. I would have loved to have seen a female Pres., but now is not that time.

IT TIME TO GET A GRIP! GET A GRIP! GET A GRIP!

You say you won’t vote for OBAMA, but we have just as many REPUBLICANS who say they will. Just something to think about for you CLINTON SUPPORTES who won’t support OBAMA.

It sounds like an EVEN TRADE OFF TO ME, except the cross over REPUBLICANS is getting the BETTER PART OF THE DEAL. Just my 2 cents.

You are going to look real funny with your nose cut off. LOL.

Now is the time to SHANK HANDS, KISS and make up to get ahead of the game.

Taking a fresh vote is not fair to the states who followed the rules — the MI and FL state legislatures knew at the time of moving up their primaries that their delegates would not be seated — they exchanged their delegates for timing and relevance early in the primary. To give them an opportunity to vote again would be to allow them to eat their cake and have it, too — to help weed out the early candidates, and to maximize their voting power when only two candidates remain.

Splitting the votes down the middle gives an unfair advantage to HRC, as it increases the total volume of votes while only giving a 50/50 split to each candidate, which always benefits the current loser in terms of percentage.

Seating the delegates in any way disenfranchises voters who stayed home knowing that their votes would not count.

I realize that the Democratic Party is a private institution, and that they can appoint whomever they like to be their nominee. However, in the interest of fairness, their own rules should be followed. Certainly, voters are going to feel shunned, but if the party doesn't follow through with its previous decision, this is going to start happening a lot more frequently, and a lot more voters are going to feel disenfranchised.

The pastor told the truth. This has been said by many people and especially the MEDIA. So he didn't say anything that other people were not saying. Hillary Clinton was also in FL at fundraisers, she had interviews telling people to vote for her, she told all her supporters to vote for her. You can probably go to google and see for yourself. I would be angry too, BUT, Hillary agreed to all of this. Ickes, McAuliffe wrote most of the rules, she knew what they were and now she wants to claim she should have them all? What kind of credibility does that show? I guess maybe this falls in to what the pastor was saying?

HILLARY IS TALKING ABOUT (PELOSI ) ON HER BLOG , SO TELL ME WHY IS SHE SO FULL OF HATE,NO WAY COULD SHE BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT IN USA ,BUT SHE COULD BE PRESIDENT FOR THE K K K AND BILL COULD BE HER (VP) !!!!!!!

By looking at what all the Hillary supporters’ believe and by how they were persuaded by the Clinton's without doing their own research or looking into both candidates fully and into this particular election process. The fact that they know only what the Clinton's told them and how to think and feel only proves her supporters are truly Uneducated!
Having discovered this by reading your comments, do you really think you will get to decide who ends up in the white house! For what purpose does she stand for you? Your arguments are empty and redundant without legitimate substance. You want someone who cannot play by her own rules. Do you think that she’ll keep the promises she made to you? She didn’t keep her own word. What does this tell you?

Can anyone explain to me why Edwards is not going to get his Florida delegates? Floridians voted for Edwards who was on the ballot and everyone seems to be discounting that. As in other ealy contests, Edwards got his delegates which then went to Obama. This would negate the Florida will change anything arguement as Clinton only got 50% of the vote in Florida.

CNN, since when did following the rules become suspect? You people have tried to slander Obama in every possible way. But for crying out loud, you are now trying to slander him for challenging the validity of voter signatures? Isn't voter verification what you just supported when you touted the significance of voters needing to present photo ID in Indiana?
If Obama's opponents had valid voter signatures, why didn't they survive the challenge? Isn't that important? Or, is your only goal to impugn Obama's character by any means necessary?
Tony Harris, you seem as stupid as your friend Drew. You ought to know better. If there were no rules, you would be picking cotton! Why are rules such a big burden? Rules and following them are the means by which a Democracy can survive. "Alice should have been given more time". That is as stupid as saying the Primary should run up to the day of the election to give Hillary a chance to change her image from liar to crusader.
You guys are really sounding as desperate as your candidate, Hillary!

I hope the DNC's meeting will be a fair one. They should really think about their decision regarding Florida and Michigan. They should also think and listen to all the people who voted for Hillary Clinton. I just have this awful feeling that they will close their ears (just like they have been doing for quite some time–especially since the last DNC protest rally on 4/30 which I attended) and will just outright side with Senator Obama. That decision will be a disgrace and a kick in the face to Hillary Clinton, her supporters and her staff. If the DNC had any conscience at all, they would weigh in all the facts and primary/caucus results to date and see that Hillary is still the strongest and will fight for her nomination. I will support and donate to her campaign all the way to the convention. We still love and support you Senator Clinton and please don't give up. GO HIULLARY 08!!!!!!!!!!!

This is just a big joke. America really does not need a President who is desperate. I cant understand Clinton first not caring about Florida and Michigan, then when it appears she does not have a chance without them she is even planning to get her supporters to protest for their inclusion at the Democratic panel Meeting.

I have always liked the Clinton's but I think they are taking this a bit too far. If the Democratics lose in November 2008, they honestly should blame themselves for allowing the race for the parties nomination become as confusing as Clinton's turnaround on Florida and Michigan.

I really hope all this ends by this time next week so the Democrats can start focusing on the bigger task ahead.

Well everyone knows if it were there states in question(florida and Michigan) they would want there votes to be counted and or seated. Understanding the rules of the democratic party, i am sure the meeting to take place will be in the best interest of all people…..

However, things still keep comming up about obamas past. Now another religious person has made – right out racist comments, and what truck me most was in the video is the people in the back ground, very apauling – they were cheering the preist in a religeous manner.

Obamas tacts in getting the nomination for state sentator.

Mrs. Pelosi and DNC – I hope you make the right decisions saturday. I think you in part have played in dividing the party. How can we have rules before this election process even took place that would not allow any votes to count for simply changing a date.? who cares if a state changes there date – so what.

The other thing is i think becuase of RACE and GENDER you do not have any guts !!!!

I know who the better candidate is, my opinion and yes she'll be i am sure , in not elected, a supporter for Obama, but at the end of the day make sure its one that " I told you so" and regret later.

I am a HUGE Obama supporter and I believe that MI should be seated 50/50 but FL shouldn't be seated or able to vote because they are the reason the USA is in this mess today. If you would have made a wise decision 8yrs ago, then we wouldn't be faced with $4/gal gas, war, home repos, etc. FL you are the reason for all of this and the american people shouldn't have to suffer another 4yrs with McCain or Hillary. Now stop complaining.

Charlotte, many of your posts show a distinct prejudice towards Senator
Obama, which you clearly use to distort facts and slander him. If anyone
is the master manipulator it is Hillary Clinton. This woman has
used her sly gypsy-like skills to even manipulate her own voters and different state leaders to the point of trying to fix state elections. (Florida and Michigan Governors). The fact that Hillary insults voters intelligence by thinking we are too stupid to notice that this is exactly what happened in these two states is what separates the smart voters(Obama's) from the gullible voters (Hillary's). You want a con-artist to lead you because you can't think for yourself?

THE REASON WHY THERE ARE RULES IS FOR PEOPLE NOT TO CROSS THE BOUNDARIES. OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE BREAK THE RULES WHEN THEY CROSS THOSE BOUNDARIES AND HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. I FEEL FOR MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA BUT ITS THE STATE OFFICIALS FAULT FOR CREATING THIS HAVOC AND THEY BROKE THE RULES!!!! ITS ONLY FAIR! HILLARY IS ONLY FIGHTING THIS BECAUSE SHE IS LOSING! BUT IT MAKES HER LOOK SO DESPERATE! SHE AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO FOLLOW THE RULES!! THAT'S WHAT WE ALL DID!

The rest of the world must be laughing hysterically as Clinton tries to claim the votes in the Michigan primary where she was the only choice on the ballot at the same time that we are spreading our "democracy" to countries with political systems we consider to be so inferior to ours.

Wild guess: she gets a "halfsies compromise" which still leaves Obambi in the lead with pledged delegates, then takes the RBC up to the Credentials Committee in August. What's she have to lose, and what if she really _is_ right that he can't win the general? A true patriot would not allow her party to lose this one as a result of irrational exuberance, would she?

Hillary told her supporters to go there. the campaign is saying they did not. I read it on her blog. Now who is paying for all the hotels, meals, and transportation? She probably loaned her campaign more money. I hope the Obama campaign does not give her any money. I also read that some of her supporters on the committee may defect to the Obama side.

The last thing the democratic party needs is another flip-flopper. Hillary went from supporting the decision of not seating the delegates to calling it an imperative. Michigan and Florida were warned. They cannot reward them for going against rules.

THIS IS JUST THE REPUBLICANS RAINING HAVOC WITH

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THE VOTERS IN BOTH STATES

SHOULD BE PROTESTING THE SCUM BAGS THAT DID

THIS TO THEM.

THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER ATTEMPTED REPUBLICAN

HIJACKING OF DEMOCRATIC VOTE BY THE REPUBLICANS.

WE LOST A PRESIDENCY BY THE LAST ONE. AND WOUND

UP WITH BUSH & IRAQ. & HILLBILLI KNOW THAT.

All I can say is I hope we finally get a resultion to this whole thing and the DEM party can rest at ease after Saturday. So if Hillary has a clear view of the situation and the view is she cant win, I hope that she push's on to support Obama to make sure that we have a DEM president next year. But if she push's on for her own sake after knowing she cant win well we all know the answer to that (she is just plain stupid) the only out come of that is just dividing the DEM party and setting us up for failer not to win the election I dont think she is looking at the whole picture if she doesnt win then she doesnt want anybody to win

I am hopeful, but doubt a little that tomorrow's meeting will yield a solution. Any reasonable solution will not give the Clintons what they want, which is a reversal of the entire primary process. Obama is 200 delegates ahead and gaining.

The Clintons only hope is to not have a resolution so there is no reliable magic number for Obama to hit. Therefore, they are likely to reject all resolutions, hoping for chaos all the way to the Convention.

I would like to hope for a reasonable compromise that seats the entire Florida and Michigan delegations. However the Clintons have already rejected a fair compromise in Michigan supported by the Michigan Democratic Party and the DNC. Most of the behavior of the Clintons over the past two months leads me to believe they will not take the high road, no matter the consequences to the Party or our nation.

Let's all hope for the best. I hope I am wrong about the Clintons and that starting next week, will begin to do the right things.

@Charlotte, my God girl, do you have a job? You blog all day with the same stupid racist crap. At least try something different like; YOU GO GIRL!!! Get a life and by the way where is your friend, Sharon MN. ROTFLMAO

What are they going to do about the people that didn't go out to vote because they knew their votes wouldn't count ?. What a mess this has turned out to be, of course I hope they don't forget the fact that Clinton agreed to the rules in the first place, it's funny how her supporters seem to forget that . Either way ,I got the feeling that woman will steal something out of this. It better not be the nomination from Sen. Obama
She and that joker husband of hers are up to something.

The Clintons have no rules not even in their house. Bill sleeps with whom ever he wants to and it is ok with Billary. Now they want us to do things their way. No thanks Clinton.
In the real world RULES ARE RULES.
Obama08

The REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE RULES IN FLORIDA FOLKS. Get it straight please. Hillary C had to sign because Dem said she had to sign such an agreement. Obama campaigned in Florida folks. He's pretty sly.

Perhaps us Democrats don't deserve to be Leaders – look at the mess. Although Bill Clinton did essentially balance the budget, did he not?
Jason J
Florida

While it may be interesting, it is far from a game changing event. So to use the word “hinge” is completely incorrect here.

More than likely, CNN will say the following after the MI & FL verdict.

“too little, too late”

What metric is she going to use next.

First she beleived the one with the most delegates would win.

Then it was super delegates that matter because she was loosing the delegate race.

Now it is the unseated states that she agreed to not seat because the popular vote is most important.

Funny thing is even then she is still trailing in the popular vote even if you include FL and MI.

What is the next metric. Why doesn't she just say that she is a racist and does not want to support a black canidate. Funny thing about that is neither does here supporters.

Obama won by the following metric the people's votes super delegates, states won.

Clinton is only the winner if you look at the popular vote minus of course the caucus states (because it is ok to disenfranchise those states but not MI and FL) and minus any votes in MI (because we all know that Obama would not have gotten any votes in MI).

She is such a liar and a flip flopper. And I was one of the biggest Bill Supporters when he was president. I can not stand her now though. She lost plain and simple, move aside and allow Obama to defeat McSame in November.

And to all you clinton supporters that say you would vote for McSame over Obama, I say that you are not true supporters of Clinton. You don't believe in her views. If you did you would realize that Obama has the same and if not very similar views. You just won't vote for him because he is black. GROW UP idiots!

What's there to talk about???? The writing is on the wall. And the DNC had better do the right thing. Saturday evening Obama can be declared the Democratic Nominee. And Hillary can crawl into her hole and stay there until her depression subsides.

Being from Michigan, I was certainly annoyed at first that the state's delegates were taken away. But whether I agree or disagree with the DNC's original decision, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that they're changing the rules of the game in the fourth quarter.

This meeting is only going to cause the already huge rift in the Democratic party to get even bigger. If the Dem's can't figure out a way to come together as a whole, we're never going to win in November.

If Michigan is really in play, then Hillary Clinton would lose. Because how many people actually think that the City of Detroit would not actually vote for Obama.

Hillary Cult members, wake up and smell the Obama victory. Rules are made to be followed.

Obama 08

IS IT TRUE ABOUT HILLARY REV. PUT IN JAIL FOR THREE YEARS FOR TOUCHING A 7 YEARS OLD, ( WILLIAM PROCANIK )(UTICAOD.COM ) IN ONEIDA COUNTY

Don't seat any of them. They are presumptuous whiners. Florida must learn how to run an election. They must learn to quit voting for idiots. How else are they going to learn? Hanging chads, voting out of turn, buying defective machines? Now the want to Blame the DNC. Hillary was ok with not seating the delagates until she lost the nomination, now all of a sudden she is "fighting for their rights" Hogwash she is going down in flames and hopefully destroying any political future she might have had.

Reasons why Veterans, active duty personell, and anyone who cares about them should not vote for McCain:

*AWOL for May 22nd vote on GI Bill. Expressed opposition to bill saying "it was too generous to Veterans".

*Voted against Bill in September that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

*Voted No on $1.5-billion increase for Veteran Medical services (money would have come from closing corporate tax loophole).

*Voted No on establishing a trust fund to bolster underfunded Veteran Hospitals.

*Voted No in May 2006 against $20-billion allotment for expanding Veteran Medical Facilities.

*Voted No in April 2006 to increase Veteran Outpatient care.

*Voted No in March 2004 another $1.8-billion reserve for Veteran Medical care (again funded by closing corporate tax loopholes).

Bottomline, McCain is more interested in taking care of big business then the men and women he wrongly sent to fight in Iraq.

If Hillary and Michigan's governor didn't plan this election sham in the
first place because she was promised a position in Hillary's administration, only Florida would be in question. Hillary put her name
on the ballot knowing that the election would not count. Many voters
were told that the election would not count, and therefore did not vote.
What about the disenfranchisement of those voters? Senator Obama
knew that the election would not count, therefore did not place his name
on the ballot. Hillary knew the election would not count, placed her name on the ballot anyhow and now wants to benefit from this dirty trick. Unlike Florida voters, Michigan voters realize and admit that the election was a sham. We are angry at the REAL culprits, Hillary and Governor Granholm and our OWN state legislators. Florida voters should do the same, show some character, and not support Hillary cheating by breaking the rules.

Jack Colson, it was not sneaky rules. He followed the rules. this is the change he has been describing. politicans do not follow rules ans break them when it benefits them which sounds like Hillary who agreed to the rules and then retracted her position. Rules should not change midstream when someone changes their minds and no longer likes the rules. If this occurs, it is no longer a democracy.

This can all be avoided with a 1 day National Primary. No Super Delegates, no caucases, every vote counts equally.

Over $500,000,000.00 was spent through April on these primaries. How many people could have been fed, housed, medicated, etc. for 1/2 a billion dollars?

We, the people, need to tell these and all politicians we've had it. They don't represent us, understand us or care about us. We're given a few pathetic candidates to choose from, dictated by the 2 parties. Tell them you're sick of it.

If you want to write in a name in NOV, try "None of the Above!"

GB:

Contrary to what you believe, I do want to see MI and FL delegates seated. It was not their fault that the republicans in these states changed the primary dates.

However, Clinton, Obama and Edwards all signed off on not having these votes count and my issue is that Clinton wants to change the rules now that she is behind. Last December, she gave an interview where she declared that this primary fight would be over after Feb. 5th (Super Tuesday). She obviously did not plan ahead after this date. Because of this, it is only fair that Clinton & Obama get the same number of delegates from each state and call it a day. By the way, if Clinton does get the nomination, I would have no problem voting for her. This is all about keeping the Republicans out of the White House.

CNN, you need to do a better job. You should also publish negative side of Obama. This is important. Howard Dean has made a mess of democratic party. He is trying manage our country like he managed Vermont. I will vote for McCain this time. Go McCain…

update: three million nine hundred thousand republicans WILL be voting for Mr. Obama.

Twenty ex-democrats for the ex pow.

i think it is nearing time for REVOLUTION!! The American people, the voters, need to take this country back. We need a new party, of the people, for the people. I am tired of all these talking heads. Superdelegates are a joke, just a way to steal the election for their baby boy.

are the Blacks really ready to move beyond race and gender. Are the blacks ready to move beyond their own insecurities and prejudices and do the thing that is right for all the people and our country.
The blacks are about to find out if they are really ready to grow up and create a new kind of society. Or whether the blacks will continue as they are now, divided by race, religion, and the politics of self interest. The whites are for the betterment of everyone. The blacks seem to be stuck on themselves. black news station for blacks only. black miss america for blacks only, i could go on. obama does not want the blacks to move on beyond race.

NO "Big Challange" here at all except to grow a pair big enough to tell the Clinton campaign that they ARE NOT ENTITLED to the nomination. Read the rules to them, show them thir signatures on the rules than tell them to pack sand.

For all those crying about the "poor voters of Fl and MI are getting punished because their representatives borke the rules not them" I simply say this.. where the HELL were you last summer when this was being discussed? Where were these "POOR HELPLESS VOTERS" last summer? If they had really given a crap they would have been out in the streets protesting their states decision, but, like children they did not bother to fight for their rights when they should have now all they can do is whine about it after the KNOWN RESULTS HAPPENED. I have NO SYMPATHY for people who will not get off their lazy butts and fix things but whine about them after the fact and therefore they ahve lost ALL RIGHTS rto have a say in this selection process. And if you want to be like Hillary and take your ball and go home because you did not get you way when you cheated fine jsut do not expect President Obama to do ANYTHING for your lazy butts when is is elected! for those of oyu in Michigan and Florida who did understand the rules and have accepted the outcome of Your decisions as voters in these two states I applaud you as adults and people of integrity for the rest of you SHUT UP and MAYBE next time get it right! Moronic Clintonistas

Here's a thought, I think the RNC should adopt the DNC's primary process. It's much more rigorous and requires more from the candidates in preparation for the general election. Oh, I forgot. They select based on thier party's monarchy. tee-hee

The Republican Legislature voted in the early Primary in Florida and the dumb democrats went along.
Clinton had no choice to go along w/what the dummies said to agree to – inc dumbest of all Reid and Pelosi.
Joan B
Florida

Yes, we have had racist Presidents. I was referring to this day and time. Ever wonder if Obamas' white ancestors owned any slaves? Wouldn't that be a bit of news. Obama is a liar and very devious. Where is his white grandmother? Oh yeah, she is under the bus.

If Hillary and Michigan's governor didn't plan this election sham in the
first place because she was promised a position in Hillary's administration, only Florida would be in question. Hillary put her name
on the ballot knowing that the election would not count. Many voters
were told that the election would not count, and therefore did not vote.
What about the disenfranchisement of those voters? Senator Obama
knew that the election would not count, therefore did not place his name
on the ballot. Hillary knew the election would not count, placed her name on the ballot an and now wants to benefit from this dirty trick. Unlike Florida voters, Michigan voters realize and admit that the election was a sham. We are angry at the REAL culprits, Hillary and Govenor Granholm and our OWN state legilators. Florida voters should do the same, show some character, and not support Hillary cheating by breaking the rules.

Senator Clinton has just proven to All Americans, that we truly need a new and cleaner Government in the White House.
Senator Clinton negative and distructive campaign also has shown Americans, we need to continue the healing and uniting together for future generations and the voters have taken notice her attitudes.

This was suppose to be her walk in the park for the White House.
But, she and her campaign group, totally under estimated the real issues and Senator Obama, along with the opinions of the Voters.

Again, thank you Senator Clinton for opening our eyes and ears.
Yes, we are Thinking and Making the Decision for the White House,
and that is a True Change!

Pelosi and Reid are so dumb it is difficult to grasp that anyone like that could be in the Senate.
Janet R
Michigan

Neither Clinton nor Obama agreed NOT to count the delegates from Michigan or Florida.. They agreed not to campaign in those states. People only see or hear what they want to hear or see. Its a shame there are so many stupid people that can't read and comprehend but want to spout off about Clinton flip-flopping. Not campaigning and not counting the delegates are 2 intirely different things. Go back to school you alledged "educated" OBummer supporters. Learn how to read.

OH. MY. GOD. BLAME YOUR STATE LEGISLATURES, WHO DECIDED TO BREAK THE RULES.

The misplacing of BLAME in the whole MI/FL just reminds how easily lead people generally are. And their willingness to believe only what furthers their personal agenda.

Obama got rid of competition in Illinois electiion via sneaky technical rules as well. He was unfair to the voters. He ran unopposed because he used these tactics in Illionois.
You get what you deserve if he would become President and I think via the Polls American people know that already.
Jack C
Portland Oregon

Either you have a respected party with rules and regulations or no need for a party…
Muscling the DNC to change the rules at the end of the game will not work, even if Hillary supporters burn Washington
Be civilized and respect the rules

What an absurd rule to punish the voters of two states. Obama shouldn't have removed his name from the ballot, that was silly too. Seat them and seat them in full and move on with it. It's not going to change the outcome anyway – Hillary will still have the popular vote lead and Obama will have the lead in the delegates. Then the superdelegates can make an independent decision at the convention, where this race should end. There is no way Obama would win a general election – his entire lead in the delegates is from caucuses where Hillary was apparently not 'radically liberal' enough for the fringe democrats in those states.

Obama the master manipulator. What a liar..How many life long friends is he going to throw under the bus? Mentors guide and advise, what kind of guidience has Obama received?

I am new to this country.
I would of never thought Americans hated eachother so much. I am complete surprised, Democrats hate Republicans, Republicans hate Democrats, Democrats hate Democrats and, Republicans hate other Republicans. After that i hear comments such as "United We stand"

Hard to believe..

But seriously, I have no right to my comment anyway.

Bob From Pittsburgh

Where's the ruleof law?

It's crazy to blatantly violate the law and think you can can have an ordered society. Michigan and Florida knowingly and stubbornly violated the rules (for what reasons?) – definitely to create chaos and turn around to want to have things their way.

They did it to try to hurt the Obama campaign but it backfired on them. Those two states should be ashamed for bringing conflicts into the democratic process.
You can't eat your cake and have it.
Rules are rules.

Clearly, Hillary won Florida. A majority of those delegates should be given to her. However, in Michigan, half of their delegates should be split between Hillary and Obama because he was not on the ballot in that state.

For anyone that's really interested in how the numbers will playout after this is done, I recommend demconwatch.blogspot.com.

They have a run down there of all of the possible MI/FL scenarios. CNN is playing this like Hillary still has a chance to catch up…unfortunately she really doesn't regardless of the scenario here. Yes she can come out with more delegates from this meeting, but even in her best case scenario she's going to end up 110 delegates behind Obama still (and this is full seating based on the elections that took place…which the DNC's lawyers have already said they can not do).

Even in her next best case scenario, she's over 150 delegates behind, Obama needing less than 100 to win, and Clinton still needing 80% of the remaining pledged and supers to win this.

Will someone from the Democratic Party please show the actual document that unquestionably proves that all the candidates agreed not to count Michigan…or is there no such document? Edwards, Richardson, someone must have a copy. Is there not one remaining leader that has the guts to show the voters what actually was decided? Stop being politicians and start being statesmen/stateswomen…or whatever. Pelosi where is your backbone. Give us the proof…one way or the other!!!

charlotte, read your history book.

you said "we can't have a racist as president and first lady?
are you serious? have you hit your head on something, dear?

let me ask you this…How many presidents owned slaves? were they not racists or doesn't that count?

by the way, if you didn't realize it, Sen Obama's mom and grandmother is white. the rule is that the baby's race is determined by the race of the mother, unless it can be proved that there is 1% of black(?) blood.
Is that not racist in and of itself/

stop whining and read a book, ok?

Charlie Christ is now #1 pick for McCain running mate. I wonder why?
By disenfranchising Florida and Michigan, Democrats have lost support in those states. Christ and his minions in the Florida State Legislature were behind the ploy to move-up the primary now it is very clear how that was also thought out in advance. Everybody saw it but the DNC. They discounted Florida and now they will lose Florida and the election of 2008.

The Democrats are in a real bind. Either they stick with the rules they created and anger a lot of voters. Or they bend over backwards to please everyone and prove themselves spineless pushovers once again (by breaking their OWN rules, that coincidentially the 12 Hillary supporters on the DNC rules committee didn't seem to have a problem with last year)

John in PA- the only way your statement carries any truth is if the caucus results are completely ignored. Not exactly the will of the people then, is it? Sen. Clinton seems to be trying to ressurect "fuzzy math".

When Clinton thought she would be the nominee, she supported the loss of delegates for Florida and Michigan because they broke the rules. Now that she is not the front-runner, she is comparing not counting their votes to slavery, blacks being denied the right to vote and Zimbabwe, which is ludicrous.
Having her followers protest while the rules committee meets is causing more divisiveness, on top of her constant references to white people not supporting Obama. Who does she think voted for him in Oregon and other states with small percentages of black voters? Aren't they also "hard-working Americans, white Americans?"

She and Bill have tarnished their reputations. I had hoped she would make a graceful exit. Obama has praised her and given the opportunity to do so, but she still persists–despite the math–in doing everything in her power to get the nomination. If that means destroying the Democratic Party's chance to win in November and saddling the country with more years of Bush policies,, she and Bill apparently don't care.

I will be glad when this will all be decided Saturday. But will it truly be over then. I don't think so if Hillary doesn't get the 100% for her and )% for Obama. All these cries for count all votes. What about the fact that Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. What about those who did not go and vote because they were told there votes would not count. Yes many went and voted but there were other important amendments on the ballot. Clinton wants to take all the credit for how great the 90's were and a Clinton wants to think they drove voter turnout.. Hillary ran a poor campaign, is in debt and is pandering for her own self interest. Power is such an inticement to her and it is slipping away,

Be careful how you treat florida now, you NEED them in November. Every election of our new century has shown this to be true.

sorry – Obama is not the best candidate. I don't care if he's black, white, or purple. Unqualified doesn't have a race, a gender, or a geographic preference….

The LYING CLINTONS futile attempts to manipulate the votes to her advantage is just so appalling……

Hillary is not an example of a STRONG Presidential leader….
She is an example of a WEAK, PITIFUL, BEGGING, President…..
Something the American people do not want or need……..

Elect a strong President who has shown TRUE leadership from day one. TRUE integrity from day one. And has abided by the RULES of the DNC from day one. That is Obama…..

Hillary has lost all credibility with the American People….and I do not believe she will be able to even hold her seat in NY because the voters will reject her for the self serving person she is…

Her legacy along with her cheating husband will be a footnote on dishonest politicians of the United States…..

OBAMA: THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!

Let it go. Focus on the general election. Why tear apart the party and make it easier for McCain to take office? This internal fighting makes no sense.

"INDEPENDENT NOW" — You don't sound so Independent!

1) Obama did not campaign in Florida — the ads you may have seen on television were part of a NATIONAL AD which means it appears throughout the U.S AND CAN DELETE ON A STATE TO STATE BASIS.

2) Obama made no trips to Florida, he published no ads specifically for Florida.

3) Clinton HAD AN ADVANTAGE because she was running on NAME RECOGNITION!

4) You need to do your research before you go blindly into a conversation that has no merits or logic! You are vocal with the wrong people. Take the matter to your Governor! I am trying to understand how he as 70+ approval rating when he screwed you people! Let's me gues, your vote is not counting there either?

5) What is the big deal — your candidate won't win in the primaries any way. The REAL contest is not until NOVEMBER. YOU CAN VOTE THEN!!!

Hillary just thinks because she is the wife of a former president, she should be president. This is all true.

She accepted the rules and said that FL, and MI Should be penaltized for breaking the rules earlier in the election.

Now that she is about to lose, she's changing her position. This is typical old politics of the past she's trying to use to win. Unfortunately it isn't going to work.

It's time that Hillary supporters see her for what she really is, a fraud. She'll do anything to win, even flip-flop on her positions, just like McCain. She isn't fighting for you, she's fighting for herself. She is obssessed over being president. That is really going to hurt the democrats' chance of winning in November.

I am a younger voter, but I am not naive, I see past Hillary's lies and deception. She takes money from lobbyists.

Just look up who Peter Paul is, who needs to be mentioned. Look on youtube.

Obama 08′

To all of you who think that Michiga and Florida votes should not count.What if this was your state and your vote?

correction: In my earlier comment, "shows shows" should read, "news shows."

John in PA:
First of all you are wrong about the popular vote. You need the North Korean style vote count of 300 odd thousand to 0 in order for Hillary to be ahead in the popular vote. You also have to account for all the caucus states in coming up with a "popular vote". Obama wins those handily.
Second, play by the rules. Hillary's beloved Yankees outscored Pittsburgh in the 1960 World Series by 55 to 27 or so. Who won the series?? Same deal here, even if we accept your flawed conclusion on the popular vote
Third, as I recall, after the 2000 election, Hillary pledged to make her top priority the elimination of the electorial college. Has she made any progress, or will OJ find the real killer first?

What we have here people is by far an insult to Hillary Clinton; all this bashing and negativity on her is not warranted. This is why America is devided. We are our own demise. What a shame. All of this bashing is not American. Hate???? Why is it to hate? If all you people just stop and think for one second of your day and realize Democrats did not change the party rules; it was the republican's. We are blaming the wrong person; why? Just because she is fighting and I say again; fighting to win. What is wrong with that? Obama would do the same thing…all you people are no different than that pastor again this past weekend; bashing of the white people. You need to check yourselves. Might I add; another pastor fromt he same church Obama is a member for 20 years. We have never had so much hate in our world as we have today during this nomination; what a shame to call ourselves American's in the free world. Makes me sick. God help us in the near future!

If every vote is not counted in Fl and MI, and they won't be, then Clinton is going to claim the Democratic party has cheated her and SHE IS GOING TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT. If you think she will support Obama or run as his vp you are mistaken. She knows this may be her last chance and she is not going to step aside. Notice how the victim card has been played so much more recently. She is building the case against the Dems. She only cares about herself. Sadly, she may have a chance in a three way race.

The Democratic Party is falling apart!

Rules are Rules and all the other states have to follow them, then so should the Clinton's. These rules were written by her husband, because whom ever the president is at the time are responsible for these rules being written. The only reason Hillary is pushing for this presidency is to try and undue all the evil things she knows her husband did while he was in office.

People do not be fooled, yes! George Bush put us in a unneeded war, but as for jobs; three strikes for drug dealers, all of those things were under the Clinton's administration, but appears a great deal was done under George Bush.

They should not count and if they do, all votes should be equally split since both candidates agreed that these states votes would not count because their primary dates were moved up.

HILLARY GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this such a huge thorn in the side of the Democrats? By nominating Obama they have already lost the election and now MORE racist commentary coming from that awful church that Barack Hussien Obama attends? Oh wait! Sorry I guess because the most electable candidate happens to be a woman it's impossible to nominate her. Maybe the problem is women like Nancy that are high ranking democrats that have actually spoiled it for Clinton because voters see her as the crazy and ineffective? well guess what……………………she is! Nancy and her lapdog Harry need to but out and let the voters finish the race not her. Take it to the convention floor hillary you have more than enough backing to claim the nomination.

This goes to show the judgement of the Clintons. They signed the agreement, anticipating that it would be irrelevant, and that they would have the nomination sewn up on Super Tuesday. They chose to nullify these votes. The disenfranchisement happened when they signed the original declaration not to count these contests. Now they are using that same argument against Obama… what a crock!

and to sum up for Hillary supporters (except for the educated females who can comprehend)

duh, they screwed up!!!!

I'm so tired of the demand to seat the results as they stand on the platform of "all votes should be counted". The proponents for this view conveniently ignore the fact that there were more people that stayed home that day (because they knew their vote wouldn't count) than there are people who actually voted. The potestors need to stop blaming the DNC who were following their own rules and turn to their state officials who caused this mess in the first place.

It is amazing to me that this is even an issue. The rules were determined and everyone agreed. I really don't know what the issue is. Rules are rules.

Rules are for a reason. Abide by them.

OKAY folks here's the deal about Political Parties…listen up Obama and Hillary folks .
A political party is a Club…like the boy or girl scouts of america.
The rules of these groups are INTERNAL and have limited state or Federal regulations. Folks that belong to these party's AGREE to the rules governing these clubs. Members that are on committees or run for office agree to the rules that run these CLUBS.
WHEN Voting in a primary election you are casting your VOTE for individuals who are in the club and have agreed to all the above. Your vote in a primary IS NOT A FEDERALLY CONSTITUTIONALLY Guaranteed right. It is like voting for a student council person. The only regulation is on a state level and the states only dictate what day, time, etc that the election will be. SO YOUR VOTE IS A PRIVATE VOTE ….its is our internal clubs to use according to rules. Winning a popular vote is within our party …..the correctness or fairness of those votes are up to the PARTY OFFICIALS. I fear that many of you folks have been misled ..or..do not understand this process. Hope this helps. Hillary has sorted blown this thing out of proportion…THE PARTY DECIDES what is correct…not the Candidates.

The latest hatred targeted at Sen. Clinton from Sen. Obama's church and congregation surely will affect the delegates who have to cast their vote. And then there is the fact that the press has finally dribbled out the revelations about Sen. Obama's hardball tactics in his state senate race in Chicago, which reveal a different side of him than his current campaign has portrayed. The delegates have to wonder about this person, not only his lack of qualifications for the job, but what else we might be in store for if he makes it to the White House.

Furthermore, despite predictions of healing after the nominee is announced, I believe that the vitriole to which Sen. Clinton has been subjected will cause many of her supporters to withhold their vote, write in her name, or struggle to reconcile their values with those of Sen. McCain and give him their vote. Many will become Independents. Of course, if Sen. Obama is not given the nomination, after the shows shows have virtually promised it to his supporters, who knows what they do.

At any rate, we have to hope the delegates will cast their sacred vote for the best candidate, and that's Senator Clinton.

This would not be happening if Hillary was ahead!

But – since she wants to show us the Clintons true colors it gives me pleasure to watch!

It's great to see a rookie beat them fair and follow the rules and it's great that the DNC are doing their jobs to make the Clintons know that rules are rules!

This will also send a strong message for all states regarding the next primary! If Hillary was ahead – trust me – MI & FL delegates and votes wouldn't matter!

Go Obama! Next week this time – we won't be reading about the Clintons——- I am sick of them!

Changing rules now after the election has started (and almost ot the end) IS WORSE than making these stupid panalty at the first place !!
it is not only unfair to the winning candicate, it will introduce new problems in the future elections!

Those threatening to vote for MCCain: See the movie "Recount".
This is for Florida too. Your state cost us the 2000 election and is responsible for the last 8 years of horror. See the GOP in action folks.
Watch the local politicians fix the election. You never learn do you?

The DNC has to follow the rules they set for Primary contests. If they break their own rules which favors one candidate over another, they will have destroyed the party. They also know if this goes to the convention, it's also over. If the Supers were so convinced that Clinton is the strongest candidate in this primary and for the general election, why haven't they come off the fence and save her a lot of money and bad press? If they are supporting Obama, they are staying on the fence until the contests are over. And when will people understand that the popular vote does not decide the nominee?

There has been some discussion that the Republican legislature of Florida made the decision to move the date for their primary to an earlier date than allowed by the DNC (and not the Democratic voters who should not be blamed).

And who helped give the majority of the votes to elect the Republican legislation? THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS!

Dear "Independent now" above!

Firstly, i really doubt "you are florida".. im sure you meant to say "I'm from florida".

Secondly, Clinton and Obama did NOT "sign agreements not to campaign in florida"! they signed agreements stating that delegates from florida would not be seated!

Thirdly, BOTH obama AND clinton campaigned in florida!! I distinctly remember annoying TV ads from Clinton..as well as signs at polling stations!

It's you who needs to "DO YOUR HOMEWORK"..

"CHICKENS ARE COMMING HOME TO ROOST!??" LOL.. not sure what news networks you are watching! How many super delegates has Clinton recieved in the last 3 weeks compared to Obama??
Thaught so..

HRC is the Republicans best friend. Keep the party divided and McCain will be our next president.

I am so sick of the DNC what a bunch of crap. I am sure Obama gets the nomination and I hope he loses the GE so we can see how truly pathetic the democratic party(yeah right) has become. Obama pretense of beign an agent of change is just that a pretense he is the slickest of all politicans. And his supporters are evil and they are supose to be holymen. I havent seen any Hillary Clinton supporter mock Obama the way his supporters have mocked her. I want him to lose soo bad.

what does a written, signed document by all the candidates, at the time, means? that it can be thrown in a pile of garbage for someone´s convinient outcome?

The states broke the rules and if we play by the RULES, then tough luck and goodbye. Not the DNC´s fault, they cannot be blamed.

Look what has happened to OUR country in the almost last eight years by not abiding by the rules, laws, bylaws and most of all by ignoring the CONSTITUTION.

And that ex pow will be no different……..GO DEMS ´08 and beyond…..

If Hillary Clinton was truly concerned about the Democratic party and the country, this meeting about seating Michigan and Florida delegates would NOT be taking place. She AGREED with Obama to follow the rules of the DNC. NOW, she wants to change them when she knows the lawmakers in each state were responsible for this fiasco not the DNC. Is this HOW she would have run the country? Obama has the nomination, Lady, get over it! It is one thing to be strong and firm in times of adversity but it is yet another to be pig-headed, stubborn and self-aggrandizing. Has Hillary learned NOTHING from the example Bush set forth for eight miserable years?

So long Florida and Michigan are resolved fairly, Hillary should kiss the primaries Goodbye!!!!

As a Canadian, I am entertained and concerned at the DNCs political waivering on its rules. If influence and politics continue to dictate tough decisions and alter rulings, then "change" for the future is total lip service. I agree that there must be flexibilities in certain rulings, but not during the course of the competition. The world is watching!!

Do not punish the voters who actually followed the rules and did not vote. What about them? Hilliary signed off on the agreement beforehand, now she is saying they all should be counted when her campiagn's john-handcock is on the dotted line. Talking about a person who flip-flops. At least when Bush is wrong he continues to be wrong and does not change his mind for anyone. LoL. And to all the boriqua's, what has the Clinton's done for you lately???

Having to beg the political leadership to count the votes cast by We, The People is the stuff of a feudal aristocracy. Didn't we have a Revolution against that type of political repression once upon a time? The Spirit of 76 lives on. Count all the votes equally. Period.

This is Hillary's last stand……and I remember another last stand……Custer. The DNC lawyers have informed the committee that there are legal restrictions and penalities for states holding their primaries early….and the DNC for these states were fully aware of the consequence. Hillary wants all of the pies, but unfortunately, she will only a "slice." Pelosi and Reid will step up to the plate and confirm Hillary's last strike……….you are out!!!

Seat the delegates and come to your senses. Kennedy and Kerry should both be pledged to Hillary, she carried their state yet they support Obama? What about the will of the voters in their state? More hate from an Obama mentor? How much more will people tolerate? Obama is exactly like his mentors, yet must pretend otherwise. He will continue to draw criticisim for his beliefs. I'm not buying anymore lies from this man. Of course I never bought into his message in the first place. We can only pray the superdelegates realize the damage his church will cause in the General Election. I will write in Hillary Clinton on my ballot in November. We can not have a racist for President or a racist first lady. Obama continues to divide this country along racial lines. He has set racial relations back a hundred years.

To Robert GA:

That is an awesome compromise!!!!!! No one would be able to complain if they do that. I hope some of the people who are negotiating this read that

What crime could Sen. Obama commit that would derail his candidacy?

The DNC, media etc. Has fixed this race for Obama.America will be sorry they ever hated on the Clintons, and was bias against HRC for president. Its a fact she is a better canidate with more qualifications,track record and shown through many yrs. she has been there for us.Obama couldn't make it to New Orleans after he got their votes.He is so filled with excuses and a slick speech. HRC didn't hesitate even though the African American's turned their back on her.HRC is our only hope.If she looses this country will fall. Read the Bible for you believers,or read Mostradumus The Code World War 111. It will tell all . America deserves what they get. They dont want to listen to the warnings and really change whats going to happen. You will get your CHANGE,but it isn't going to be pretty. Look at the change O.B. has brought so far, hate, racist and division. You havn't seen anything yet.

Clinton says let all the votes count except for the people who voted for Obama in Michigan. Talk about disenfranchisment, this lady has lost

I am from Michigan..we broke the rules..we MUST be penalized. The people from Florida need to get over it..they broke the rules also.
PLEASE remeber everyone, Hillary had NO COMPLAINT when the decision was handed down. SHE REALLY IS VERY PHONYand insults the intelligence of many voters.

John in PA,

The only way Hillary win the popular vote is if you give Obama no votes from michigan. Hillary being the only major candidate lost 45% of the vote running against no one. And you count puerto rico which can not even vote in the GE. So how is that the will of the People. Unlike you I count for myself not as Hillary tells me too.

I Cant Wait Until She Finally Gets Put In Her Place, Which Is Far Away From The White House. The Rules Will Stand. Her Argument Is Rediculous. The People Have Made Their Choice And Its Not Hillary. Her Supporters Need To Fall In Line With The Winning Team. Hillary Will Never Be The President Of The United States! She Is Too Much Of A Fighter And Not Enough Of A Uniter. Obama Will Be Our Next President!

Hillary needs to join the republican party if she does not like to abide by decipiline and rules. She has the choice. The closest analogy that I can think about this is that if I dont like 65 miles higway speed of New York State and prefer 70 miles speed of Montana, I can always leave New York.
But as long as I am in New York, I have to abide by the 65 miles speed

The DNC screwed up this nomination process. the popular vote had best be the ruling factor or the DEMS have just screwed up another presidential election. what a bunch of DORKS!!! SUPERDELEGATES had best think about this long and hard, and decide who can win in NOV.
GO HILLARY!!

Athough Obama is winning fair and square on all counts, Clinton is creating chaos in her quest to steal the nomination, by insisting the rules she agreed to at the beginning should be changed now that she is losing.
She discounted the vote I cast in one of the smaller caucus states, I discount her so called win in Florida and Michigan. Those delegates should be split 50/50 at the convention.

THIS IS REDICULAS!!! I AM TIRED OF THIS!!! OK FL, MI THEY BROKE THE RULES- HILL SIGNED OFF ON IT!!!

HILLARY REMINDS ME OF A CHILD THAT DOESNT GET THERE WAY THEY KICK AND SCREAM UNTIL THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT.

I am so angry! I am jsut so discusted at the fact that she didn't care about them when she THOUGHT she was going to walk away with the nomination, but now… ehh. I hope the DNC has a pair and stays to there SIGNED off rules, and not APPEASE the Clintons. She makes me sick to my stomach. And futhermore, the Clinton supporters are rediculas as well! They have NO argument whats so ever regarding this process. Popular vote, give me a BREAK!

NEWSFLASH: The Democratic nominee is decided by the delagates and supe delagates. BOTTOM LINE… ohh but I forgot, who plays by the rules anymore.

They should just let both states do a re-vote at the end of June. There were about 30% of voters in each state that did not vote because they knew it wasn't going to be counted. So if "every vote counts" why are they going to be disenfranchised?

Either do a re-vote so all voters can participate or keep it as is, no delegates seated from either state.

Just look at these clowns with their signs, supporting an argument that is simply invalid and has no reasonable basis.

Anyone see Colbert last night? That's all you need to know about Hillary's MI strategy

It is not okay for the leaders of the DNC to ignore the fact many superdelegates are ignoring the will of the people! Is it okay for Bill Richardson, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd to ignore the will of their constituents (who chose Hillary Clinton) by backing Barack Obama? If the shoe were on the other foot, we would be hearing an outcry! By your omission (not settling Florida/Michigan) you are guilty of creating the false impression that Obama is farther ahead than he really is. His supporters believe he should get the nomination no matter what and your actions have made matters worse.

I really don't see why there is a meeting at all. Michigan & Floriday primaries were revolked because they broke the rules. I would be upset if I lived in those states and frankly, I would protest the Govenor who made that decision. Rules cannot be broken for any reason. If they are then there is no justice or fairness in politics.
Hillary Clinton signed & agreed to those rules and because she is losing she wants them changed to suit her. Not going to happen. Suck it up.

I don't see any big question in this. Everybody including CNN (e.g. the likes of Campbell Brown and Gloria Borger ) knows the truth, and DNC is going to play by their rules, …Period.

The question of who is supporting whom and how many delegates they have aside, the DNC needs to stick to their guns and their rules here. If they don't all we'll see for the next 12 years is an unending series of "Florida, whining, and lawyers."

If you make rules, then stick to them – no matter who you are or who's winning/losing.

the challenge how to guarantee that obama is the next nominee.

(given obama's distaste for the "back room" deal, is this process exactly what his has campaigned against? Or, does that only start in late Jan 09?).

Generation X May 30th, 2008 9:17 am ET

If Hillary tries to steal the votes, the people will take it to the streets. The Revolution will not be televised!!!
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That is the reason we don't need a racist in the White House!!

Can anyone please explain Clinton's flip flop on the votes? I have yet to hear 1 arguement for her.

Democratic party don’t believe democracy !!!!!!!!!!!
Count all votes
Decide the nomination at convention because both the candidates can’t win the magic number

Exactly. You said it. Hillary’s “big push for votes.” This is all that’s behind her convincing Latinos that she cares about them, women that she knows their suffering, and promising those white, hard-working, blue-collar folks that she’s got their backs. It’s all about how many votes she can get, no matter how she gets them.

Since the race is so tight my opinion is that Barack Obama will lose the general election because of lack of democracy and fairness within the party.

The challenge keeps getting bigger and bigger doesn't it???? Do you do what you need to do to give Obama, a man who has huge obvious flaws and with the priest coming out with this now, has NO chance of getting elected, the nomination or do you give it to Hillary, who will win the popular vote, has won the big states and is beating McCain in the general election polls while Obama stays tied with McCain. The real question is, do they have the cajones to do what they need to do to win or are they going to continue to appease the far left side of the party and lose another general election? C'mon Nancy – do you have the cajones that Hillary does????

This is Ann in Michigan. I am an Obama supporter. I played by the rules and did not vote in our primary. Now, the rules are changing.
I am also a school teacher who teaches students that they must follow the rules. Do I need to change that to "follow the rules when convenient"?

Here is what's fair: none of the delegates from Michigan or Florida count toward the nomination; all Michigan and Florida delegates are seated at the convention by the winner of the primary process. Anything else cries out as foul.

The DNC needs to consider the people who follow rules. In my mind, they should not be punished. We have a much better world when rules are followed. Why punish those who play by the rules?

To think that Senator Clinton promotes breaking the rules now, what will she do as President? Smells like another G.W.Bush – old politics.

The LYING CLINTONS futile attempts to manipulate the votes to her advantage is just so appalling……

Hillary is not an example of a STRONG Presidential leader….
She is an example of a WEAK, PITIFUL, BEGGING, President…..
Something the American people do not want or need……..

Elect a strong President who has shown TRUE leadership from day one. TRUE integrity from day one. And has abided by the RULES of the DNC from day one. That is Obama…..

Hillary has lost all credibility with the American People….and I do not believe she will be able to even hold her seat in NY because the voters will reject her for the self serving person she is…

Her legacy along with her cheating husband will be a footnote on dishonest politicians of the United States…..

OBAMA: THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!

OBAMA HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE RULES SINCE THE RACE HAS STARTED. HE HAS RESPECTED CLINTON EVEN WHEN POPULAR OPINION WOULD SAYS SHE HAS BEEN WRONG. WHAT EVER THEY DO, THEY SHOULD NOT ALLOW THE 2 STATES TO TIP THE SCALES BECAUSE THAT WOULD REWARD THEM FOR TAKING THE ACTION THEY TOOK.

There are several issues that should be taken into account that most likely will not enter the discussion:
1. Obama clearly did not support a revote that would have been within the DNC rules.
2. The caucuses did not run efficiently and there was a clear indication of intimidation in some caucus states.
3. The voters of Florida and Michigan are totally innocent, no matter whom you blame.
4. You can't please all the people all the time.

They should NOT count..they broke the rules..plain and simple!!!

Hopefully someone will make a point that there were probably LOADS of people who did not vote when told that Barack (and other candidates) took their names off the ballot in MI so it is not FAIR to those people to count the votes of others…fair is fair..the states should have scrapped the results and held a brand new election…at their expense..

Why has no one asked their Republican Governors what their reasoning was for BREAKING THE RULES?

Whatever they decide – it should only pertain to the allocation of delegates. In no way should they allow their decision to allow counting of popular votes for FL or MI. Way too many people did not vote because they knew their vote wouldn't count, and this disadvantaged Obama. The number of delegates is the only metric that matters, and the RBC decision should not add any more fuel to Hillary's distorted claims about popular vote. Seat half the delegates, allocate them by vote in FL and 50/50 in MI, and let's move on towards supporting Obama in the general election.

YES COUNT THE VOTE AND COUNT AND COUNT AND COUNT BUT IT WILL COME OUT THE SAME . THIS IS LIKE LISTENING TO A CHILD SAYING CAN I HAVE COOKIE, CAN I HAVE A COOKIE. WHAT DONT THEY UNDER ABOUT RULES AND LAWS…………….

Truly… no disrespect to the Clintons…but this country knows the Clinton family runned business must be something other than running the United States of America. They must realize running for the President of the United States is NOT a popularity contest. The fact that they are banking on her popularity votes alone say’s she is NOT ready!
This is my country too and I do not think it should be an option. I believe Barack Obama has the foresight to deal with world economic matters as well as within our borders. He has the insight of how to deal with difficult leaders. I simply feel he’s without question what this country needs right now more than ever before.

Governorship, Senator, other offices within the government may work for the Clinton’s but not President. Somehow it feels like they have a vendetta along with some sort of unfinished business in the White House that has obsessed the whole Clinton family. I fine it almost bizarre how possessed they have become.

The state should get delegates devided on the rest of the nation. That Hillary Clinton broke the rules should not give benefits. What will that mean for later contest if you can breake rules and gain for it about naging about it over and over for week for week . The 3. june the contest is over. Barack Obama has won. Now Hillary Clinton should congratulate Obama, and help him win the election in november.

What is wrong with Hillary Clinton. She is looking like a fool. Why does she want this so bad. She now wants to change the very rules she was for enforcing. She is stooping to all time lows to try to get herself elected. This is exactly the kind of politics we don't need n the White House, using power for greed. She has been riding on her husband's shirt tails and financing her own campaign. Hillary, bow out before you go down in history as a joke.

DNC Don't give in to Hillaries maffia style behavior. Rules are there to be followed, the clintons know that too. No special deals for them.

The whole campaign showed that Hillary would be a bad choice for president.

Its time that you end this
controversy right now.

Consider this story:

A father, mother, 10-year old, 8-year old, and 6-year old makes plans to go on a family vacation. The mother creates the following rules:

* Each child will be paid $250 for completing their chores over a 2-week period.
* Each person is responsible for paying the $250 total cost to visit a theme park.
* The mother and father are responsible for the cost of travel, food, and lodging.
* If any single person does not have the $250 for the theme park, then the family vacation will be canceled.

Each person in the family agrees IN WRITING to these rules.

After two weeks of doing chores and earning the $250, the 10-year old decides to give the $250 away. Vacation day has now arrived.

What should the mother and father do?
(A) Ignore the rules and just give the 10-year old another $250 so that everyone can enjoy the vacation.
(B) Leave the 10-year old at home alone so that the remaining 4 members can enjoy the vacation.
(C) Explain the rules to the family again so that the 8-year old and 6-year old will not think that the mother and father are the bad guys.

In my opinion, I think the choice is C. I also think that the 8-year old and 6-year old would be smart and tough enough to punish the older 10-year old for as long as they are angry about the missed vacation. Can you hear them saying, "You did this! How could you? Why would you do this?"

We really need to explain things to Florida and Michigan. The Democratic voters of those states are responsible for getting on the Flordia Legislature's case because they are the ones who decided to break the rules. Guess what else? The Florida Legislature is majority Republican. They created this conspiracy to cause this big mixup, and the Democratic leaders who think filing lawsuits are good are as dumb as my ex-great grand mother in-law. There should be a minimum IQ score to become ANY type of politician. The sad thing is that people who think logically decide not to go into politics, but people who think logically should be the ones controlling this entire world before we all lose it.

They better do it right….if Obama gets the nominee….We Dems will lose big time in the General Election!!

If the DNC doesn't do the right thing and lets Obama take the nomination…then run Independent Hillary…you will be able to beat both of them!!!

Take it all the way to the convention Hillary!!

It is likely the FL & MI will be given 1/2 their delegates based on the voting with Obama receiving the undecided in MI. This is the penalty the RNC gave FL & MI. The DNC rules committee meeting this Saturday has been told 50% is the most delegates they are authorized to give MI & FL.

Obama was open to legal, tested and verifiable primaries or caucus re-votes in both states. Clinton was against caucuses and only supported an illegal (in FL), untested and unverifiable mail-in primaries in both states. Hillary has done a good job of blaming Obama for the actions of those states and the DNC penalty that she supported.

Obama would maintain a significant lead in the pledged and overall delegates even if FL & MI delegates where apportioned in-full based on the original primary results. Every previous democratic nominee who led in the pledged delegates earned the nomination for the democratic party.

This DEM party has been seized by the LEFT and no longer represents America. It is time for an Independent Centrist party. This is Hillary's chance to break with this sick DEM party.

All of the so called "super' delegates who have so far refused to admit who they're going to vote for are simply cowards, afraid to back the losing candidate for fearMost of the so called "super" delegates who have so far refused to admit who they're going to vote for are simply cowards, afraid to back the losing candidate for fear of hurting their own political careers. And a lot of the ones who have come out either did so just to draw attention to themselves or – in the case of the latest few – simply bandwagon jumpers.

There may be a few who still value the integrity of their responsibility and are waiting until a clear leader emerges… neither candidate has a clear lead despite the small difference in pledged delegates. Not to mention the fact that their votes do not count until the convention; until then, they're only trying to influence the elections. Every single one of them could vote for someone else come August, and it may not even be Clinton or Obama after all of the controversy polarization these two have caused.

Popular vote this or that…… delegates are what counts. Seat Florida and Michigan, but throw out this popular vote thing. The rules are for delegates. Whoever has the most delegates should win…period. It's like football…..you may have the most yards in a game, but its the points you put on the scoreboard that decides the victor. If it were all about popular vote, why even let Wyoming, or Montana, or South Dakota vote. Their populations pale in comparison to states in the east. Then we would have taken the voice from most of the western states( save California)…….all vote would be decided by a small amount of the US voters concentrated in the largest population areas…that's why the process is set up like it is. For Clinton to say caucus states dont count in her calculations, she's saying some votes dont count while others do. Then to make this big case for FL and MI ????? I say count them, award the delegates. Remeber even a one delegate advantage is a victory. Again using football, the NYG werent the most talented team in the NFL, but they had it all together — World Champions…..

Here's my suggestion – First agree to seat half the delegates for each. In Florida they can allocate the delegates proportional to the votes. This still gives an advantage to Hillary. But in Michigan they should allocate the votes 50/50. So then overall these states are punished for disobeying the rules. Hillary gets to have a slight advantage, but not enough that it overturns the results of all the legitimate contests. There – can we be done now?

The Democratic party obviously has decided that the votes counts. In other case the primaries are fakes and a waste of a huge amount of money and time. If a majority of Democratic voters prefer Hillary Clinton as their nominee it should be so. Hence, if DNC disenfrachise one or two big states it´s not acceptable. However there should maybe be one or two more parties except the Democrats and the Republicans.

what big challenge?

DNC clearly set the rules which FL and MI ignored.

DNC cannot change the rules now to favor Hillary without alienating Obama supporters.

Hillary agreed to the FL and MI rulings but now wants NEW RULES that will favor her. Baloney.

same old people doing the same old politics….. NO HILLARY

Does Sen. Obama want to be known as the one who did not want to count every vote like President Bush.

She has no shame. The world knows that USA has different units in weight, length, volume (pounds, feet, gallons, etc.) than other countries. Now we show the rest of the world that we have different moral values, very different… I cannot even imagine that this kind of humanbeing could become our next President. Better stupid than immoral.

COUNT ALL VOTES….TO DO ANYTHING ELSE MAKES YOU REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Count the votes split the votes do what ever you have to do to get it resolved. I am tired of it all and am ready to move on to the general election.

That's my 2 cent's on it.

I am sick of it… dam…

OBAMA IS LEADING ON ALL FRONTS….HILLARY AGREED IN 2007 THAT THE MI & FL VOTES WOULD NOT COUNT…EVEN SIGNED THE AGREEMENT ALONG WITH THE OTHER CANDIDATES….NOW THAT SHE IS LOSING AND NEED THOSE VOTES, I THINK IT WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS IF ALL THE VOTES WOULD COUNT. HRC SPEAKS FROM BOTH SIDES OF HER MOUTH, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT SEEMS PEOPLE ARE JUST PLAIN TIRED AND WANT THIS PRIMARY TO END, AND GIVE DUE RESPECT TO THE CANDIDATE THAT FOLLOWED THE RULES.

Rules are rules.
The states knew the rules.
The DNC knew the rules.
The candidates knew the rules.
The states were warned.
The candidates signed off on pledges not to campaign in FL.
The candidates signed off on acknowledgments that the delegates would not be seated.

To go back on rules and essentially break them is going to be a dangerous thing to do in any political framework of rules and guidelines.

Basically, what some are arguing, is that rules don't mean anything if you really don't want them to.

Dangerous.

We strongely feel Florida & Michigan votes should count. That is only fair.

I've been wondering how Hillary still thinks she can win even if the Florida and Michigan votes are counted. Then I read that she has argued that Obama should get NO delegates from Michigan because his name wasn't on the ballot and voters intentions can not be known. This is the most absurd logic! It infuriates me that Clinton supporters think that this tactic is okay. How can it reasonably be argued that he should get no delegates from Michigan? There shouldn't have been any names on the Michigan ballot. I'm an independent voter in Florida (which tells you that I couldn't vote in any primary, republican or democrat), and I can't stand how politics have been played in this state on this issue. Both Nelson and Crist are acting like babies, along with Hillary, and none of them will ever get my vote.

The answer is simple. The DNC will change the rules and crown Hillary the winner. If not she will take her fight to the convention.

COUNT ALL THE VOTES YOU COWARDS!

We hope they choose Hillary Clinton, or allow the race to move forward.

A concerned democrat

To all Hillary Supporters:

Go to D.C. and protest tomorrow if you can. If we are going to elect a democrat this time, everyone needs to show up.

No more rigged elections in America… 1 vote should equal 1 vote.

No exceptions….

This Democratic primary is flawed –
The party itself lacks leadership – one poor decision after another -
for nearly a year the Democrats have had the majority in both houses and they have done nothing
This was the Democrats election to win -
I read so much in the blogs about the 'rules'
It is worth checking out the actual DNC Delegate Selection Rules which are posted online – they DO provide for both Michigan and Florida delegations to be seated – all of them – as the votes stand.
People have a democratic right to vote and have that vote counted –
if they are not the party will be divided going into November – another election lost.
The DNC cannot run a chook raffle -

Demwitted…..

They should follow the original rules. Everyone signed and agreed to them including Hillary Clinton.

You think! talk about having the sword of damocles hanging above ones head. don't envy the position the rules committee members find themselves in. it would probably be safer diffusing a bomb with a faulty hair trigger.

Hilary should concede defeat as all the primary shows she is in weak position. I think her position is damaging the party. it is time she should say bye bye to politics as a whole not only the presidenial election.

It is not about Hillary or Barack. we are not trying to seat delegates for them, only count all the votes. People voted they should be counted. The people did not break any rules and don't deserve to be punished. Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan knowing he was going to lose. It was not part of the deal with the DNC, he just did it to show solidarity with the DNC decision, but at the same time he turned his back on the voters of Michigan so that later it would be a problem. It was a political move, and it seems to be working. He should not be awarded any of those votes since he played us, he should be played back for trying such sneaky stuff with the electorate. count the votes that voted., and those that wanted to vote Obama in Michigan have no one to blame but the candidate who turned his back at you. also it is lie to keep saying Hillary was the only one on the ballot in Michigan. only Obama and Edwards took their names off the ballots. You have to ask yourself, Why did they leave their names on the ballot in Florida? Because he thought he had a chance, why else would he spend so much money running ads for two weeks against the rules??? Obama maniacs are being duped.
since this is not a pro Obama comment I doubt you will print it.

I do not see any challenge if they stick with the rules they made everything is going to be fine.

THE CHALLENGE WILL NOT BE ALL THAT GREAT IF THE RULES ARE APPLIED AND EVERY PARTY RESPECTS THE DECISION OF THE RNC.

BILL CLINTON WON THE PRIMARIES WITH THESE SAME RULES. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE RULES LOOK SO STRANGE NOW.

NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

Obamas, mentors coming home to roost. LMAO

They should do 2 things: (a) count only 50% of delegates, and (b) allocate them according to percentages of delegates won by either Clinton or Obama in the primaries that complied with the rules. The reasons: (a) rules are emasculated without penalties, and (b) best indication of how MI and FL would have voted in full and fair campaigns is what happened in states where full and fair campaigns actually happened.

hillary dont want to fallow the rules, so she is not the person for the usa. she first wanted to go by the rules and now she dont. rules say even if they count michigan and florida they only can count half . thats the rules and they should go with that.

How can she want MI to be seated when Obama was not even on the ballot? How is that fair?

At first she agreed that they violated rules and shouldn't be seated…but wait…then she realized how behind she was and now her, her die hard supporters, and her whiny husband all want them counted.

What a sham! Obama '08

I'd love to see 100% delegates seated and the legislators that moved up the primaries to be fined/sued. The voters shouldn't be punished for the legislations choice to move up the primaries. But I doubt that would ever happen. Guess I'll just keep dreaming.

Wouldnt it just be easier to have a re-vote? Clinton would win again but it would be much closer. They could pretty much split the delegates and votes and we could all move on.

How's this for an idea: Have a link in the DNC web page to donate for the re-vote. If Florida and Michigan want their re-vote so badly, then they can put their money where there mouth is.

I think no matter what the outcome of Saturday's meeting, the Democratic party has been hurt by the animosity between the Obama supporters and the Clinton Supporters. I have real concerns as to the promises of party leaders that there will be unity in the General Election. For one, I am fed up with the Democarts and their double speak and deceptive ways.

everyone was ok with it before voting began. why change the rules now?

well,the only way will be to have new primaries or caucuses
millions of people satyed at home because they knew their votes woild not be counted,unlike the foolish ones who went to the polls.
if they want mi and fl resolved,a new election should be held.
if thats is not going to be the case,then they should not be seated.QED

Liberals,

Your votes mean nothing (if you voted for Billary). Your Party hs decided on Obama despite screwing the voters in Florida and Michigan. Your "Super Delegates" will decide, not the voters and Pelosi, Reid and Howard (YEHAAAWWW) Dean could care less what you think.

Great Party….brilliant

READ CNN'S LEAD ARTICLE YESTERDAY?: About how Obama played "hardball" (DIRTY!) in his first Chicago Senate campaign. A real eye-opener about "Mr Clean"!
• Used Chicago rules to invalidate voting petition signatures of 3 challengers
• Challenged every single one on “technicalities”
• If names were printed instead of signed in cursive writing, they were declared invalid.
• If signatures were good but the person gathering the signatures wasn't properly registered, those petitions also were thrown out
• "It's not the tactics of 'let's all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,” as he now likes to claim
• "That's the spin; that's in the Kool-Aid.”
• In the end, he made sure voters had just one choice: HIM

Yes, could we please get this over with so Florida and Michigan can get on with voting for the Republican in the fall. … could they also just simply decide that Barack is the nominee so we can prepare ourselves for the horrible loss in November that never had to be.

COUNT ALL VOTES! COUNT ALL VOTES!

DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA! GO INDEPENDENT OR WRITE HILLARY IN…NO OBAMA! DEMOCRATS YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE WITH OBAMA.

PELOSI, YOUR JEALOUSY TOWARD HILLARY IS OBVIOUS. SHE'LL BE BREATHING DOWN YOUR NECK. HOPE YOU WON'T BE IN THE SENATE TOO MUCH LONGER!

NO OBAMA!! NO MICHELLE OBAMA!!!

No doubt she will have to take it to the convention to see. Mean while the party will still be in limbo I guess.Can the DNC anounce Obama as the official nominee even if Hillary does not concede ? This is so bad for the Democrats this year. I guess this is what happens when everyone on the team is not a team player,SO SAD !

Why does all of this seem just a bit staged to me???? makes you say hmmm. So she says she does not want to dissinfranchise voters. but what about all the folks that stayed home because they did not think their votes would count. She wants to overturn all the voters that voted for Barack and led him to be the presumptive nominee… but she is trying to cry foul in Mich and Fl. By the way one of her chief strategist Mr. Ikes was on the rules committee and voted to strip Mich and Fl of their delegates. Terry McCaulif in his own words from his book said States should be stripped and punished if they go against the primary calendar. They are so lame and talk out of both sides of their mouths. Her campaign is Pathetic. Barack is the only one that has actually acted like a grown up in all of this. ( and I am including McCain)

Hillary was unable to win the nomination so she is using the Florida and Michigan circus she created to win by changing the rules. Every thinking person who can read knows she would not have started this new 'every vote must count' campaign if she was ahead. It is shameful for the DNC to cave in to pressure from large contributors and Hillary supporters at this late date.

NO THEY DONT JUST KEEP THE RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if all of Florida's & Michigan's delegates get seated, then why do we have rules? those voters should be mad at their elected officials for allowing them to break the rules. BREAKING RULES = PUNISHMENT!

And these people want me to give them control of my country!?
Pleaseeeeeee…..

florida and michigan democrats, i love you all but seriously when all this is over, you'll need to do some housecleaning. i am sick to death of hearing about you all. elect some democrats who can take care of business next time.

florida, you didn't know that the republicans were corrupt and capable of just about anything to get elected?

michigan, i am not sure how you all got into your predicament, but it's sad that you all have to play catch up.

come on now everybody get with the program and get Sen Obama elected after everything gets settled.

Since they are a party of appeasers, I'm sure some of the delegates from FL and MI will be seated even though they were disenfranchised by the party before they even voted. It's funny how Nobama supporters want to follow the 'rules', but if the situation were reversed I bet their tune would change. This primary is extremely close and it will be interesting to see if the supers seal it for Nobama soon. Will really be looking forward to seeing who Reid and Pelosi support since their states went for Clinton. The hypocrisy factor may increase exponentially soon!

What big challenges are they facing. The race is about to be over now. I think he is like 20 delgates away from the magic number. They cannot go back on their word. Yes it was a stupid decision, but, there is something in this country that we should respect and that is called the election process. If you break the rules then you have to deal with the consequences. This race is over and has been for quite sometime now and it is time for everyone to acknowledge it and get use too it. People need to understand that Hilary does not want Barak Obama to have any of the delegates. Not from Florida and definately not from Michigan. She wants all the delegates and that would not have happened even if his name was on the ballot. She lost deal with it get over it and move on. And, from what I understand she may have lost her next race for her Senate seat. How this turns out will depend on how Hilary and Bill will go down in History. Will they just go down or will they clean up their name. Because it has been tarnished. But this has also done something too African-Americans as well. We have begun to reach out to other parties and try to get to know other candidates instead of just Democrats because we see exactly what we are worth to this party. They want us to come out and vote for them and then it's alright now go and disappear until we need you again. I for one have never believed that all Republicans are bad people or that all Democrats are good people. But I think more black people are more open to listening to both sides now and voting on the person not the party.

Why do you continue to spin this stuff as if Clinton could still win? She's about 200 delegates behind, and has been for a long time. Clinton's already lost, despite her denials, and it's absurd you continually support her campaign's goofy spin. Are you a news organization, or an advertising firm?

HERE IS THE DEAL.YOU GUYS WORRIED MORE ABOUT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA THEN ABOUT MIN WAGE LET TALK ABOUT THAT HOW GAS IS GOING UP AND MIN WAGE IS DOWN IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LETS TALK ABOUT THAT

THIS IS DISGUSTING and offends me as an White Italian American. Wake up America!!!!…..There are clear issues in the Obama camp!!!! It is full of racists!!!! This guy supported Mr. O in his run for senator getting at least $100,000 to his campaign. How much have bigots like him contributed to his Presidential campaign that Mr. O's camp brags about. What outraged me even more than his comments was the audience standing and applauding this BIGOT.

And you call that an apology?….."IF i offended anyone".

WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!!!!!! We haven't even begun to see the evil in this camp……

Hillary is more electable!!!!! If he gets the nomination, I am definitely voting for McCain.

HILLARY '08

The sad thing about all of this is that if Hillary Clinton was ahead and didn't need these votes….her voice would be the same as it was back in the beginning when she signed and agreed that they would not.
This is only dividing the party more.

they will seat all the delegates but they will only get 50% of their votes

HRC will unfairly get the majority of the delegates but not enough to overtake obama. after tuesdays primaries we will see a lot of super d's throw their support behind one or the other and obama will get the majority and it will be over sometime after next week IMO

Hillary and her supporters should look to the future and focus on unifying the party. If we are not unified as democrats then the republicans will be favored. If that happens then Hillary will have no future in democratic politics. Her supporters will abandon her if we don't win in the fall.

If the DNC rules in such a way to favor Hillary it will be obvious that pressure was applied by large money contributors to the DNC in an effort to give Hillary the nomination. Harold Icks is a member of the DNC ruling committee; for him to sit in this meeting is a violation of conflict of interest laws.

Let's face it the Florida and Michigan contests were not fair, and the one thing Democrates care about is fairness. Those two contest were avoided by all but Hillary, beacuse they followed the rules – she didn't.
So what to do? I say seat both delegations but they are not allowed to vote until after the first round of voting. If the vote doesn't make to the second round, so be it.

From Politico.com-Mike allen's Playbook

" "The Daily Telegraph of London: “Barack Obama beats John McCain in European vote,” by David Blair, Diplomatic Editor: “Senator Barack Obama emerged as Europe's favorite candidate for America’s presidency today when a poll conducted for Telegraph.co.uk gave him 52 per cent support across five of the world’s richest nations, including Britain. John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, received only 15 per cent of the vote in unprecedented survey covering Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Russia.” "

It would be nice to join the rest of the world…..

Obama will use the "rules" to win, just like he did in his first run for office in Chicago, when he used a technicality to get all his opponents taken off the ballot.

It doesn't matter that the "rules" are undemocratic. Anything to win. Well, there's no honor in that Sen Obama and you will reap what you sow in November. You are only running for the nomination remember, you haven't been elected yet.

So much for "Change we can believe in". Pffffft. Whatever. Same old politics as usual.

Please tell me that there were for then 3 of these fools there. And if the numbers were not into the tens of thousands then this is not news. sorry this is nada!!!!!

BARACK / SEBELIUS 08

BARACK THE VOTE!!!!!!!!

Hopefully the DNC will do the right thing and put Hillary over the top and help her into November. That lady deserves to win this thing, to have been able to stand around for this long with all the stuff that is flung at her every day and still be standing, that is the kind of President that we need. Can you imagine if Obama had to deal with all the stuff Clinton has had to, he would have dropped out long ago.

CNN I hope you post this, everyone needs to know that there are still many Hillary Democrats out here, and if Obama, then I'm a McCainacat happily.

they should all count. why punish the voters when it was the states that choose to vote early, not the voters. several people offered to pay for re-votes, but Obama's camp did not want that. so, basically, he has been able to manipulate the results and discount the delegates in these two primaries. how can WE THE PEOPLE let him get away with that….we must stand up for ourselves. if 2000 has taught us anything, it is that certain people "play dirty" and do anything to get what they want. all our votes MUST count!

If Florida and Michgan are not fully counted, every single vote, then America is NOT a democracy and is NOT united.

Leave it to the DNC to do something stupid.

COUNT EVERY VOTE!!!! Yes, the rules were broken, it is not the first time and certain;y won;t be the last. DNC needs to learn from the experience, but not at the expense of the United States. TOOOOO much is at stake.

KNOW Obama…..NOOOO OBAMA
NO Hillary………..NOOOO VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's right I am a strong believer in democracy and making sure that every vote counts and that the will of the voters is respected. This will ensure that I can get a bit closer to Obama so i can make the argument to superdelegates to ignore the will of the voters and undemocratically appoint me as nominee .

Regards

Hillary

The DNC has already stated that at best half of the delegates would be
seated, and they won't give in to Hillary's desire to break party rules.
If so, Hillary will get approximately eleven delegates.

If the DNC does not count all the votes, perhaps then America can explain to all the other countries, that the United Nations sent observers such as Pres. J. Carter America's representative, to make sure all elections were legal and that everyone got to vote.. LOL

THE WORLD IS WATCHING US AND OF COURSE OUR ENEMIES ARE GETTING THE BIGGEST CHUCKLE OUT OF THIS POLITICAL QUANDARY.

Howard Dean, because the race was so close, you should have had the final say, and permitted Florida and Michigan to have a revote.
Your weakness and now the Pelosi gang is trying to dictate the terms of the final outcome… SHAME ON YOU, SHAME ON YOU!!!

There can be no rational argument that Clinton is ENTITLED to any of these votes and delegates, however it is probably a strategic necessity to seat some of the delegates. There is little hope, however, that Hillary will be satisfied with any compromise. Please oh please, remaining superdelegates, weigh in today and help Obama (and all of us) get on with defeating McCain.

Yes, all who possess the right to vote have the right to be heard….and they will in the general election in November. The Parties are given the right to select their candidate in whatever mannor they so choose. The DNC made the rules, and set the consequences for breaking the rules. Michigan and Florida broke the rules. If the consequences are not followed through with then the entire Democratic Patry loses credibility so how can a candidate from that party maintain credibility in the general election? This is a turning point for the entire party. I hope you do what is right. For the NAtions sake.

I say just give these fools, a few beers and a couple of lawn chairs, and thell be fine.

BARACK / SEBELIUS 08

BARACK THE VOTE!!!!!!!!

It is amazing that pundants and those who support Obama think that Hillary is doing something illegal and imoral by using the system the way it was set up and meant to operate. She has EVERY RIGHT to go to the convention floor, that is why there is a CREDENTIALS committee and a mechanism in place for appeals. Imagine if we had no appeals system in any of our disputes. BO had no problem using the system to his advantage getting ALL his opponants names off the ballots in Chicago, when he ran for state leg. He sure knows how to game the system, Hillary is ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED. And if they shut her down she is also justified to take this ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP! I believe that she fights for what is RIGHT in our world.

If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid impede this process by pushing her out of the race before the convention, they will be doing the same thing that Katherine Harris did in Florida in 2000, shutting the process down before it has played out to the allowable forum. Their legacy will be that of spoilers and it will not serve them well in their political futures.

NANCY PELOSI=KATHERINE HARRIS
HARRY REID=JAMES BAKER

VOTERS NEED TO BE LISTENED TO! MORE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED FOR HILLARY – SHE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE!

How can one "win" when there is no competition?

Obama took himself off the ballot in one of those states.

Earlier in the primary, Clinton herself said the delegates should not be seated because of the violation of the DNC rules. Why aren't more people using those very words against her now?

Fine, then give her the votes. Obama still wins.

This should'nt even be happening..SHE KNEW the rules and signed a pledge that these States and votes would'nt count. But she is a cry baby, win at no cost, deivisve human being (if you want to even call her that!) what a great mom she makes to teach Chelsea win at all cost, don't let anyone stand in your way and when they do, run um over!! I hope they kick her right out the door, her, Ickles and Wolfson! In their own minds they won but again, their minds are delusional!!

All I can say is GOOD BYE BILLARY, GOOD BYE BILLARY, GOODBYE BILLARY, I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU GO!!! OH AND DON'T FORGET BILL AND CHELSEA ON YOUR WAY OUT!!!!!!

CNN! Obama has 1984 figure, while Hillary's figure of 1782 is correct as at date. Any time Hillary gainst a superdel, u quickly update your figure but always hestimate to update obama's figure. pls be a bit straightforward. good

As a citizen of the state of Florida with a keen interest in politics, please hear MY VOICE: I have voted in every election possible since the age of 18 except this year's primary. Reason being, quite frankly, that I am a very busy woman. If you tell me that my state's delegates are not going to be counted, then I am not leaving work and canceling appointments to stand in line for no reason. If we were told that there was a chance the delegates would be seated, even a CHANCE, I would have voted. And guess what? I would have voted for Obama, and so would the overwhelming majority of my highly educated and similarly hectic, busy colleagues. Could someone please report on the referendum that was also on the ballot during the Florida primary? I'm pretty sure it selected for Clinton voters. Does the rest of the country hear that? No.

This Florida voter begs the DNC: keep your word. DON'T seat the delegates. If you can't keep that promise, why would I trust you to keep any other promise made during the campaign season?

Nancy Pelosi is pressing Super Delagates to choose before the Convention

If Pelosi were Speaker in 1960, John F Kennedy would not have won the election ….he got the nomination at a brokered convention.

Pelosi would disenfranchise Florida and Michigan and have insideres choose the nominee — this is a death knell for the Democratic Party — the so-called party of the people

President Carter, Senator Kerry, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, and others have all tried to boot Hillary Clinton since January

The ONLY viable candidate that can lead this nation is Hillary Clinton

The national media, led by CNN's Roland Martin, has done a hatchet job of defaming Hillary since January

Obama has declared himself the winner. This attitude underscores his eletist and aloof nature, and is a precursor to how he would lead if elected. Folks, get ready for a polarizing 4 years if Obama gets in. He will stay aloof; he will be ruthless; and he will not give two cents about middle America.

I expect that 50% of delegates will be seated or all delegates will be seated, each with 1/2 vote. I also expect that they will be apportioned with Hillary getting the percentage that she won in each state with Obama getting all the rest.
I consider that quite a compromise. All the other candidates took their name off the ballot in MI, so there is no way you can call that a fair election. In FL, there are many who did not bother to vote since it was announced in advance that their votes would not count. Had they known their votes would count, I suspect the results would have been different.
My personal opinion is that they should have either voted again or not be seated at all. FL & MI should not be allowed to thumb their noses at the rules without serious consequences.

She is losing in every way. Question – she can't run her capaign, and she wants to run our country?

There shouldn't be any controversy. Just seat all the votes as they were cast in January. If they refuse to do so, they will face serious problems in November. Besides, 4 other states moved up their primaries and none of them were punished so the DNC is selectively punishing states that they knew Obama would not win……and that doesn't bode well for the rules committee. Of course, since Obama was able to use the rules to his advantage in Chicago, I wouldn't be surprised if he were able to get the law suit dropped on technicalities. Anyone who thinks Obama is the candidate of hope and change, the only thing he's going to change is make Washington politics even worse than they already are.

Michigan Democrats for Obama were told to vote uncommitted. The vote count shows 40% of voters did vote uncommitted. 55% of voters voted for Clinton, as the only democrat on the ballot. It can not been seen as a win in Michigan as almost half of the people who voted would rather vote uncommitted that vote for Clinton. At best it is a draw or tie and the delegates should be apportioned to the votes cast, with Obama receiving the delegates from the 40% uncommitted vote.

It will be over by Wednesday. The quicker people come to grasp with it the better.

Question: Would these people be protesting had the other candidate been a white man? Absolutely not. This is about racists not wanting to see a person of color in the White House. Billary is just feeding into the ignorance.

COUNT ALL THE VOTES IN BOTH STATES. PEOPLE HAVE VOTED. WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE DECIDERS.

are we going to cover "Bra Burning" part 2? old news – old angry ladies who hate men!

Hillary is destroying demoncratic party, my friends live in NY said they are upset with Hillary negative campaign and they said they going to vote her out of the senate seat, Hillary it over with leave the demoncratic party completely, Hillary show acting like she want McCain to win 2008 so she can run for president 2012 and she would not win 2012 because the democratic is sick and tire of her negative campaign

iTS OVER, THE DEMS , PELOSI , DEAN AND REID HAVE JUST GIVEN THE PRESIDENCTY TO MCAIN..IF THEY DONT THINK THAT MICH AND FLORIDA AND THOSE SUPPORTERS THAT HAD TO WATCH THE TOTAL DISRESPECT EACH OF THE ABOVE HAS SHOWN THEIR STATES BY NOT WANTING TO COUNT ALL VOTES , BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT OBAMA, , WILL GO VOTE FOR MCAIN,,,THEY ARE IGNORANT IN THEIR THINKING. YOU CAN NEVER SAY ANYTHING AGAIN ABOUT GORE LOSEING WITH THE POPULAR VOTE…YOU HAVE TRIED TO PUSH YOUR OWN CANDDATE OUT(HILLARY) BEFORE THE END AND SHE WILL HAVE THE POPULAR VOTE…YOU HAVE DISGRACED YOUR PARTY AND DISRESPECTED US …YOUR OVER …YOUR GONE …YOU LOST ,YOU CHEATED…WE WONT FORGET…BELIEVE ME YOU WILL SEE THE BACKLASH…OBAMA WILL LOSE BIG

NO CHALLENGE. THEY SHOULD JUST BE FAIR, MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA MUST BE PUNSIHED FOR BREAKING THE RULES, IT'S SIMPLE, IF THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD ELECT PEOPLE I THEIR STATES THAT FOLLOW THE RULES….

Obama-Webb! Giving all U.S. citizens a seat at the table, acting in the interest of the most. For thriving and fair minded fellow living beings. For responsible stewardship of our natural resources and for the placenta of life.

Why do the Hillary supporters think it's fair to seat delegates from states that broke the rules? I hear a lot of talk about "fairness" and "disenfranchisement" (which is absurd, by the way, no one is taking their right to vote away) but I rarely hear anything about breaking the rules and facing the consequences for it. Why is that?

YOU KNOW, BACK IN JANUARY, THIS WAS EXCITING; I'D NEVER BEEN SO RIVITTED TO YOUR POLITICS BEFORE. NOW….

WELL, NOW IT IS JUST PLAIN DEPRESSING AND DOWNRIGHT DISGUTING.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION OVER THE PAST 8 OR SO YEARS HAS REWRITTEN THE RULE BOOKS EVERY TIME THE RULES DID'T FIT WITH HIS AMBITIONS. hOW WOULD cLINTON DIFFER FROM THIS POLICY. NOT EVEN ELECTED YET AND ALREADY SHE AND ALL HER SUPPORTER ARE INSISTING ON PLAYING BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

THERE IS A DISTURBING PARALLEL HERE!!!

Rules are rules. Florida needs to be ousted from the Union and sent back to be ruled by Spain. They muffed up the presidential election with Gore. If they can't get it together by now, then its too bad for them. Their votes should not count because the public officials they have elected and continue to elect dropped the ball. Punish them not Obama who did nothing wrong.

Don't punish Obama b/c of their ignorance.

Floridians broke the rules. The candidates agreed not to campaign there. So how can this be a fair game if any of the stupid delegates are seated?

Yes, they do face a critical decision. Do you go with "Mr. Empty Suit", that has polarized the entire Democratic party, or do you go with someone with experience who can actually win the election.
Political correctness is hell when by invoking it, you're sending your party down the tubes, in what should have been a "gimme" year for the Dems.

McCain is loving this crap.

*************Rules don't apply to clintons and their supporters*******

((((( Clintons are always above the law )))))))

Clinton supporters conveniently forget that their candidate will remain behind in the delegate count. It should be interesting but as an outsider, if Clinton somehow pulls this nomination out of the hat, I think the Dems will lose a lot of support in the General Election.

Those Clinton supporters who claim to vote for John McCain or stay home are not real democrats – because most importantly, they do not listen to Clinton herself when she says it would be a mistake to do so.
Looking forward to the results of the Democratic meeting tomorrow to decide on Florida and Michigan. It would have been much better and more genuine if Clinton had complained at the time when both states were stripped of their delegates. What about the voters who did not come out because of the decision to strip the delegates? Are they not disenfranchised?

Including Michican as it is would be the biggest travesty to the democratic process. How can Michigan be included when Obama was not even on the rolls. He was not on the rolls at the first place because of the fact that was not supposed to be counted. Also do you really believe that Florida reslts would have been simiolar if Obama had campaigned there? Even if she wiould have won, the margin would have not been so wide.

The only way to include delegates from the two states is by fresh ballot on both the states.

Well I sincerely hope that this meeting actually accomplishes something, in a fair way. However, I won't hold my breath because unless it all goes Hillary's way she will not stop. The DNC is in a real pickle. Sadly though, if we lose in Nov Barack will be solely to blame since people cannot take resposibility for their own actions.

So the two top dem (dim???) congresspersons will get involved with a legal election process. What else can we expect from the dems (dims???)? The these two don't like the constitutional way of doing things, by all means, change the law and perhaps the constitution itself for their greedy and hateful purposes.

Count all the Votes!

Don't let the Radical left wing buy the nomination for their Puppet!

We the people need you and your Solutions for America!

We've got your back if you take it to the floor!

Hillary 08

The amount of democrates that turned out do not match the other 48 states as many stayed home and none should be counted at all.
The other 48 states democrates out numbered Republicans 2 to 1.

Florida and Michigan experienced just the opposite. Dems did not cone out to vote and the states should not be counted.

If she is going to count the popular vote in Florida and Michigan, I believe they have to go back and count (or atleast estimate) the popular votes in the caucus states. Otherwise, it's just not fair.

The Clinton backers face the big challenge ,to get out gracefully or finish their party chances off.The DNC need to stick to their rules.

Seat the delegates and come to your senses. Kennedy and Kerry should both be pledged to Hillary, she carried their state yet they support Obama? What about the will of the voters in their state? More hate from an Obama mentor? How much more will people tolerate? Obama is exactly like his mentors, yet must pretend otherwise. He will continue to draw criticisim for his beliefs. I'm not buying anymore lies from this man. Of course I never bought into his message in the first place. We can only pray the superdelegates realize the damage his church will cause in the General Election. I will write in Hillary Clinton on my ballot in November. We can not have a racist for President or a racist first lady. Obama continues to divide this country along racial lines. He has set racial relations back a hundred years.

Hope she won't be rewarded for changing the rule in the middle of the course, that she agree with, including her senate supporters. Otherwise it mean that she managed her campain in cheating everybody, including her 'supporters'…

I'm waiting for Clinton to jump ship and get with the RNC. Sellout…

Right now thousands of troops, real people – not toy soldiers, are living to survive.

How can Hillary be taken serious when she causes chaos among the democratic party, and at the same time, is shown to be having the time of her life when troops are dying and families are struggling to keep food on the table for their families.

The only candidate who has taken the people's issues in-Heart, is Obama, from the start.

Never underestimate the ability of the leaders of the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. No one can do it the way they can.

Stop following the mob and start acting like leaders.

It’s not too late…

HILLARY CLINTON ’08

This is a no brainer. Hillary doesn't have the count to be the nominee and the supers are not going to "give" her the nominee. At the time Bill Clinton was president a Republican friend of mine told me I would see how down and dirty the Clintons were and I strongly defended them. She's probably laughing at me and saying I told you so and she was right.

I realize the people of FL and Michigan feel dienfranchised, but what about the people that stayed home and did not vote because they were told it would not count. Don't you think they feel disenfrachised
The process was totally screwed up.
Accept what ever the outcome is tomorrow…And Stop Whinig Pleeze

If we havent learned a thing about party politics after this election,shame on us.Things need to be changed.Changing canoes in midstream is not a good idea.All three candidates have hidden agendas and they really dont address my concerns.I would have voted for Kusinich,Biden or Paul before these three puppets for big business.

It is not okay for the leaders of the DNC to ignore the fact many superdelegates are ignoring the will of the people! Is it okay for Bill Richardson, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd to ignore the will of their constituents (who chose Hillary Clinton) by backing Barack Obama? If the shoe were on the other foot, we would be hearing an outcry! By your omission (not settling Florida/Michigan) you are guilty of creating the false impression that Obama is farther ahead than he really is. His supporters believe he should get the nomination no matter what and your actions have made matters worse.

If Obama's supporters are against seating the delegates, what does this tell you? Is he entitled?

I love how hrc supporters site rules as a reason hillary can and should stay in the race as long as she wants. "Rules say, a candidate can run as long a she wants and destroy the party if she wants too!" But, disregard the rule violations of FL and MI, since that suits their needs. Why is that not suprising?

First, it needs to be reported that Harold Ickes, Clinton campaign manager, voted to strip MI and FL of their delegates. Hillary agreed to the terms. Therefore, she is retracting her commitment and the legal document she signed agreeing to the terms. Second, if the delegates are seated as is without counting the uncommitted votes in MI, be prepared for a lawsuit. The uncommitted voters can sue for having their votes not count and just Hillary which is disenfranchising their voice. There is a case to be made especially since she signed the legal document agreeing to seat none of the votes, but now she is only allowing her votes to count. Third, she is on the record stating that if MI and Fl agree to the DNC terms of seating all of the delegates with half a vote, she will respect their decision. It ould be hypocritical to cannot appeal the decision because she once again retracted her position. This can hurt her political because it proves she is in it for herself and not the best of the party. just a thought.

The ONLY way they could count all votes is to do a revote, which MI and FL were against, because thousands stayed home and didn't vote. But let's twist the rules to favor Clinton, after all isn't she entitled to the presidency? BTW how is someone who can't manage their campaign, going to run the country?

Yes, the most democratic solution is obviously to seat the delegates from a one-candidate race. I seem to recall Iraq had a one-party race when Saddam ruled. Quite democratic.

Larry, Moe and Curley could have organized and run the 2008 Democratic Primaries more effectively than Howard Dean. This process is like watching voting in a banana republic.

PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT I have it on good authority that at Saturday's rules committee meeting in DC . there will be people who say that they are Obama supporters fighting with Clinton supporters who will be Clinton plants just to grab the cameras. We were told by the Obama campaign to stay away from the rules comm. and not give people reason to see the democrats in this divisive mode. There are supposed to be Republican plants there also. What desperation! Elaine LaMagna
Manchester, N.J. 08759

MI and FL knew the rules before they "voted." They broke the rules. Their votes should not count. Sue those behind the decision to move the election up!

I don't trust Howard Dean and the DNC. I think they just want to force everyone to accept Obama and forget about HIllary not just because he has more pledged delegates but because they prefer him. Younger, naive, a novice who would be easier to manipulate than HIllary would. Their objective is to get him the nomination and then, only then, worry about how to beat McCain. They don't seem to care about the results of the primaries which tell them a lot about who can win and who can't win in November. Strengths and weaknesses are not being considered. Just pledged delegates and their numbers, and of course their personal preference for Obama!

If Hillary Clinton already agreed to the regulations as pertaining to Florida and Michigan; why is she permitted to challenge them at this present date? What aren’t more of Hillary’s supporters addressing the core fact that their candidate agreed to the rules? All of this while more and more young American soldiers continue to lose their lives in a war that Hillary Clinton voted for and supported alongside the current administration.

Sorry Hillary, NOTHING WILL MATTER…they will not take the nomination away from the black guy!

Do the people in MI and Fl need a little cheese with their whine. Take it out on your state's politicians. They broke the rules now you want the rules ignored. Aren't you people just special. Democrats are truly worthless.

The people of those 2 states, Michigan and Florida knew what they were doing from the very beginning. I think it is very unfair for the DNC to have their votes counted now. If it is allowed to happen just imagine what every state in this country will do in other elections. Michigan and Florida should be held responsible for their own actions (or the actions of their elected officals).

(Sigh…) Why is this such a big issue. Are the super delegates not really super delegates? What the heck are they? Can they not make their mind up on their own, which is what they are supposed to do. This is the problem with the current DNC leadership (there is no leadership or anyone with enough guts to do what they think is right). The DNC is now made up of a bunch of popularity seekers and not people who will run on what they think is right and see who thinks the same way they do and will follow them. They all will change their values to match the voters instead of the way it should be. Here I am and here is what I stand for; now vote for me if I represent you.

The DNC should follow the rules. There is not one rule for the Clintons and another for everyone else. This shouldn't be an issue. But since it is, the only fair thing to do is to split the delegates right down the middle.

Go Obama – President of the United States.

There is no fair way to do this unless they are split completely in half, including Florida's. Either that or they are not counted at all b/c both candidates signed papers in the beginning stating that they understood what was happening with the delegates!!!! What would Hillary be saying if Obama was doing this if he was losing? Oh wait, he wouldn't b/c he has integrity! Give it up Clinton and get out of the way so that we can win in November!

Obama 08

I get a sick feeling that this is going to end badly for Clinton. Not that this is a bad thing, however. I do feel sorry for her, yet I don't know why.

Thanks Pelosi and Reid for rushing my party's super delegates…I'll rush my decision as well…McCain 2008!!!

i do hope the supers and dnc does not bow down to hillarys new scare tactic (i am going some where and a lot of places to go before nov). that is another ploy to try to sway the nom. her way. kinda like she will go to the conv. or independent. the clintons never stop. if she pulls some big crap, it will only prove what her character is even more. she swore she will support obama if he wins the nom. well now look like that want happen. what she intends to do is take both herself and obama down. it i do hope will ruin her for good if that happens.
clinton supporters
she cares nothing for you or the dem. party. and it will only make your and your childrens and all our life harder for 4 more years.
i wish all of you would please think of what she is doing.
she does not have our country 's good in mind. she is a self serving power hungry person.

CNN
PLEASE POST THIS. IT IS IMPORTANT

Michigan should not be seated unless evenly divided since Mr Obama was not on the ballot. Florida should be seated with a 55% 45% split since Mr Obama did not campaign in Florida, But some penalty should be inforced By the DNC . HRC should acept this because she did AGREE with the other candidate back then not to count these states, but now since she is behind she wants them counted if full in her favor. Something just doesn't seem to HONEST about that.

Thank Pelosi and Reid for rushing the Super Delegates…I'll rush my decision too…McCain 2008!!!!

Sure hope we learned something from this mess.

Who cares about what any priest says. Its the truth anyays just that people are just scared to point out the truth.The clintons think they were born to be in power and contol everything..its changing and they have to accept it……

OBAMA 08

If Hillary tries to steal the votes, the people will take it to the streets. The Revolution will not be televised!!!

YOU KNOW I AM FLORIDA, I AM MAD AS HELL. I WANT MY VOTE COUNTED. ITS NOT THE VOTERS FAULT. HILARY AND OBAMA SIGNED AGREEMENTS NOT TO CAMPAIGN IN FLORIDA. ONCE AGAIN OBAMA ISNT TELLING THE TRUTH. HE CAMPAIGNED HEAVILY WITH TELEVISION ADS AND SIGNS AT POLLING STATIONS. HE IS A LIER AND ITS STARTING TO MANIFEST ITSELF. LOOK AT THE LATEST NEWS, YOU WILL SEE HIS CHICKENS ARE COMMING HOME TO ROOST! HILARY NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY. AN OBAMA PRESIDENTCY WILL MEAN DAVID AXLEROD WILL BE THE NEXT OBAMAS BRAIN= ROVE. DO YOUR HOME WORK PEOPLE. OBAMA IS AXLERODS PUPPET… DONT VOTE FOR THIS MAN. WE WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE.

The only real question now is whether or not Sen. Obama will choose Sen. Clinton as his V.P., which in my opinion would be a very big mistake. It's time to move on without all the drama that the Clintons bring to the table!

we know who is behind the protesters……..only one evil person is in need of chaos to get to what she wants…

1) she AGREED to not have the delegations seated, but then she thought she was already the nominee
2) she signed to not have them seated.

SHE IS A LIAR, VOTED FOR THE WAR, SHE IS DIVISIVE< ELITIST< RACIST< DIVISIVE< LIAR<

Thomas Jefferson talked about a majority of one being all that matters. After all the votes are counted, including Florida (both were on the ballot), and excluding Michigan (yes Hillary supporters, that was a truly flawed primary), Hillary will have won a majority of votes. However, she will not be awarded the nomination (again – sorry Hillary supporters, it's true). Thus, the will of the people (are you listening Nancy Pelosi, possibly the worst Speaker of the House in our history?) will be overturned due to convuluted delegate allocation rules. Get that Obamabots – the will of the people will be overruled. Enjoy it now, in November it all ends.