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this only proves that cheaters all ways win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shame on you

Harold Ickes is just that – ICKY! Such indignation for not being allowed to CHEAT! The ruling while not perfect, was fair. We are a nation of rules. This was a nice display of our great democracy in action.

Be fair to both side. I think it is a gesture of goodwill & party unity is more importance as we more or less know the nominee

To count only the votes that were cast in the No Count Florida Primary of Jan. 29th would be neither be fair, nor democratic to those of us who chose not to participate believing that it did not count because we were told it would not. I would have been there with my vote for Obama, as many other Florida Residents would have been had they not been told it was a no count event. The only fair thing to do is to cut them in half and split them down the middle. As an active voting member of the Democratic Party in Florida for well over 40 years, I am very sad that my Florida Party has not once done a poll of the people to see where we stand in this matter. I feel disenfranchised by my own party.

The Obma camps and Florida Democratic Party can agree but its Hillary that doesn't want to because it does not benefit her enough. What a gret president she will make.... Another Bush only doing things that benefit herself!

The voters of Michigan and Florida have truly been misled by their state representatives and Clinton. The representatives are trying to lay blame on Obama and the DNC for their failures of voting for a package that Republicans of their state put before them, claiming they were out numbered. They created this mess and now want to be rewarded just to save their own face in future elections.

ANY VOTES NOT COUNTED ARE VOTE LOST IN NOV.
NOT COUNTING VOTES IS UN-AMERICAN TO SAY THE LEAST AND WHO WANTS TO BELONG TO AN UN-AMERICAN PARTY?? THIS IS SO REVEALING, MOST PEOPLE NEVER KNEW WE REALLY DON'T GET TO PICK THE NOMINEE EITHER, LET ALONE THE PRESIDENT. ALL DONE BY "SUPERS" AND THE "ELECTORAL COLLEGE" ALL, NO DOUBT, MUCH SMARTER THAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE........THIS IS PURE CRAP AND WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO IT BY JUST WALKING AWAY FROM BOTH PARTIES.

I'm from Florida, and I voted. I want my vote to count.

It is unfair to punish Florida voters for the actions of the legislature.

Today the DNC is faced with a crucial decision.

Over the last few weeks Sen. Obama and his campaign has made us, Hillary's female supporters very angry. WE REFUSE TO VOTE FOR SEN. OBAMA!!! He has consistently been saying that the race is over and that he accepts the nomination. One of his biggest fundraisers, Rev. Pfledger HAS DEEPLY OFFENDED US!!! HILLARY '08

Good Job Florida. Despite Hillary's whinning and objections. Florida has gotten back on track.

SEAT ALL THE DELEGATES FLORIDA!!! HILLARY DESERVES THEM! SHE WON THE FREAKIN STATE...WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ACCEPT THAT?

I am a Joyner too, so tell Joyner that NO!!! she can't have it all.

My vote matters...my WHOLE vote matters…quit trying to make us suffer as voters of Florida. COUNT MY VOTE!

Among the most precious rights and responsibilities of a citizen in a democracy is the right to vote. My vote does count and if it doesn’t then all those who died for our right to vote, died in vain.

You can't keep us down...
we rise up when you least expect it...
because we stand for the right thing...
FAIRNESS & VOTER'S RIGHTS
-A Hillary Clinton Supporter from Florida

Of course, they will not let somebody divide the party because of his or her own selfish interest....

wow
the clinton supporters everywhere are indeed bitter people(the hissing nd booing people and these ones on this forum)
the obama people are positive and look forward to hope/
obama is really the change we need

I am SO thoroughly disgusted with Bill Nelson and every other person arguing that we should now count a contest that we were told was NOT going to count...

Too many Floridians did NOT vote because we were told our Primary was being held outside of DNC rules and we were going to be stripped of ALL our delegates... Guess we can't even trust our own party to be honest with us!

I think I'll vote for Nader if these idiots decide to change the rules at THE END - Especially if it benefits Clinton and she STEALS this nomination!

the point that must be made about Florida is we did come out and vote. It was not only about the presidential primary but also a tax issue on housing that brought so many people out. Our votes should count because so many people came out. It wasn't just for the democratic candidate on the ballot. Why we are being penalized for 1/2 votes is beyond me. We, the people, did not vote whether we wanted an early primary – it was the republican heavy house that made this decsion. However, once again, Florida voters get the brunt of the decision of a republican house – sounds like 2000 all over again

Voters decisions were flawed in that they were told the election wouldn't count. That seemed to be ok until March when Hillary started riling them up because she was losing. Voters only had name recognition to go by...again...a rather Russian style election.

Senator Nelson exploited the example of an Obama supporter to advance his attempt to steal the delegate vote from Obama. Clinton and her people agreed that the votes would not count and they cannot in any honesty claim that it would be fair or just for her to take all the delegates when Obama did not get a chance to campaign here and most people voted for Clinton based on name recognition only. I cannot believe that they can make these argument for no compromise on delegate count when they were clearly at an unfair advantage. It is only now that she is losing that she is suddenly in favor of "empowering" the voters. And it is reprehensible that Nelson would use the example of an Obama supporter, Megan, to advance his ridiculous posturing in favor of Clinton.

I simply boggles my mind...watching supporter of the Clinton camp speaking of voter disenfranchisement...with a straight face.

C'mon...where were you all when the decision was made to strip both FL and MI of the delegates. This was taken almost a year ago.
If they were so concerned about democracy and "all votes should count" and “disenfranchisement” then why did they and their surrogates not protest when the decision was made.

Now while facing the prospect of not being the nominee...Ms. Clinton want to changes the goal post!!!!!

What the Clinton camp is doing now...will harm democracy more in the long run...than the punishment of not counting FL and MI delegates.

'FAKE NEWS' by the media, journalists, political strategists, talk show hosts, are all creating lies with deliberte deceit, confusing the American voter & destroying the political fabic of our society. Their ignorance of denying the normal political process of carrying out party problems to the convention floor, is the height of their incredulous manipulative maneuvers characteristic of WHY this country is still talking about the same problems as 50 yrs ago, BUT add a few more diasterous events to the mixture.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! The 'millennial mentality is the newest form of destruction following the 'baby boomers' & 'flower children' who deviously deranged our already 'neurotic' society into a 'narcisstic' breed of MORONS. The public needs to STOP swooning over the 'rock star' image of Obama, STOP drooling over the 'left overs' image of McCain, AND LISTEN to the most knowledgeable & skilled candidate HILLARY CLINTON who has a track record of working for WE THE PEOPLE. Americans are divided by (2 religions) Republican & Democrat, constipated by 'denial' in a dictatorship degrading our society.

SOLUTION??? Try an educated read of 'Running On Empty' by Peter G. Peterson AND 'American Theocracy' by Kevin Phillips which will SOBER you up faster than BUN GEE JUMPING! Trade 'Hope & Faith' for INTELLIGENCE which can only come by resisting your over indulgence in comfort as a COUCH POTATO existence. GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICANS for by the time you read this & do something, IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE!!!

OR......give back those RIGHTS of which we've fought so many centuries to accomplish, a WOMAN who happens to be running for PRESIDENT of this United States & who is the MOST QUALIFIED in EVERY RESPECT & who has been incredibly DISCRIMINATED AGAINST......place HILLARY CLINTON as the NOMINEE, she has already EARNED it!
Mrs. Gene Smith
(wife of former 1992-
U.S.Presidential Candidate

I am very suspect about the using of Megan Foster by
Senator Nelson of Florida as an example to show the efforts by Floridians to seat their delegates..Megan is a loyal Barack Obama Supporter who realized that her state broke the rules and that her vote would not count...She went to both North and South Carolina to campaign her heart out for Senator Obama..and today she was used by the Hillary Clinton arm of the Democratic party to justify their agenda. Shane on you Senator Nelson, you have lost a lot of respect by your action and tone today.

What about the 2 Million voters that could have voted. Those that were told their votes wont count if they voted and decided not to go to vote?

Have they been decived and are they the ones that would suffer the consequences????????

Senator Bill Nelson reminds me of Bill Clinton. He's awesome and I am very impressed with him. He spoke up for the Voters!!! This is the Democratic way......GREAT JOB SENATOR NELSON. YOU HAVE TRUELY REPRESENTED THE PEOPLE OF THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA. VERY WELL....

Hillary is delirious and totally delusional. Here are the facts: She agreed the votes should not be counted in MI and FL. she agreed MI and FL should be punished, she agreed not to campaign in MI and Fl. The only thing we now know is that she lied and misled the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee. Because she agreed and signed up to abide to the rules and laws set out by the Bylaws Committee. She lied about Bosnian; she lied to those hard working White Americans living on the mountains about NAFTA. She lied of having over 36 years of political experience. She lied of having the most popular votes. Hillary is a pathological liar; she lied of being the stronger candidate though she has not been unable to defeat Sen. Obama in a primitive Dem. Primaries. Beat Sen. Obama in Dem. primaries then we shall agree you are the stronger candidate.
Now how can America trust a woman like she is! She cannot be a leader she is a “Miss – leader” period!

The DNC should rather punish her for not clinching to the rules period.

Do we really Crist as a Vice President? He is a dangerous as Cheney for our country.

Bill Nelson should quit!!

What else would you expect from U.S. Representative Robert Wexler, or, Representative Kathy Castor, for that matter? They, and others, have been favoring the disenfranchisement of Florida's Democratic votes all along. All this so that their candidate, Senator Obama, will have the road cleared towards the nomination. Florida voters should remember these and other elected officials when it’s their turn to run for re-election.

They (U.S. Representatives Castor and Wexler) should be ashamed for trying to deny Floridians their constitutional right to vote.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds. Are they really representing Florida or their own ambitions?

Do I have this right? In both MI and FL there was no real cpmpetition between Obama and Clinton because both did not appear on the ballot, or both did not campaign for the votes. If there was no real competition, how can there be any real decision as to who won the state, or by how much? Split the delegates down the middle and give Obama half and Clinton half and next time try obeying the rules.

If you really were this concerned....don't break the rules...unless they decide to hold a re-vote (which they aren't going to do) – then both FL and MI....sorry....vote again in 4 years....you knew the consequences – sorry...thanks for playing

If Florida had gone to Obama, this would not be an issue. They would have seated the delegates. As it it, the DNC wants Obama so the DNC is determined to do anything necessary to have Obama. Obviously the voter's word has no value with the DNC.

These cretins have forgotten something: Florida didn't break the rules in 2000. Their primary this year was just as "legal" as Bush's self-professed "crusade" against Islamic (but not other religious) terrorists.

That's what you get for allowing bills to be attached to other bills in the first place. Real government plz.

Personally, I don't care how they resolve this as long as it does not appear that one the ruling is biased.
In the words of Walter ' lets leave it to the Cubans and get the hell out"

This is such a mess...I think Levin was the only one who made sense. I am an Obama supporter, but I think both his and Hillary's arguments are stupid, and Levin was the only one up their that was willing to find some sort of sane compromise.

AsBO name was on the Florida ballot, the vote should be allowed as the voter's wishes.This is suppose to be a democracy, wherre everybody is to be heard,however,it seems that ,that is not the case of the DNC.

It appears ,sitting on the sidelines, that Elections in the US of America, are bought by the individualsl who has the most monies and not by the best qualified.

God help America !!!!!!
It will be interesting to see if you (CNN) print this.

We could also count ALL the votes and delegates and punish the law makers who moved the date by not allowing a re-election for those law makers.
If the law makers are about the PEOPLE of Florida and not themselves. They should propose that.

Obama wants 50/50 in Michigan, effectively making his loss into a gain (for his cause) and punish 50% of Florida voters for the decisions made by the delegates and law makers because Florida didn't give him a win. (or even strip ALL the delegates, as ANY punishment implies)

Why can't we punish the actual law makers who moved the date by REMOVING 50% of the democrat electorate from the Nov election and count ALL the votes of the Florida voters. And no complaints about voters who did not come to vote.
That would be a real FAIR resolution. But Obama is not about fair. His is about Chicago gang politics.

AsmBOnasme was on the Floride ballot, the vgote should be allowed as the voter's wishes.This is suppose to be a democracy, whe3re everybody is to be heard,however,it seems that ,that is nto the case of the DNC.

It appears ,sitting on the sidelines, that Elections in the US of America, are bought by the individualsl who has the most moniesand nopt by the best qualified.

God help America !!!!!!
It will be interesting to see if you (CNN) print this.

I think the only unacceptable outcome would be to seat all delegates from Florida and Michigan. Both campaigns agreed not to campaign for votes in these states since it was well understood by all that these delegations would not be seated since they broke party rules. The fairest thing is to give each candidate half the seats or to exclude the seats. Neither campaign should benefit from the DNC decision. That this could turn into a decision that would alter the outcome of the campaign would be terribly unfair. I feel sorry for the voters of Michigan and Florida. Their anger should be directed at their state party officials that put them in this situation. Certainly it would be a gross injustice for only one candidate to take all votes in states they agreed not to compete in. Unfortunately I fear they are in the midst of making a decision that will benefit only one candidate where both candidates agreed they would not seek votes in. It's too late in the game to have elections over again. That should have been the decision long ago. The DNC waiting till the last minute to make a decision has been irresponsible. If this battle goes to the floor of the convention the Democratic Party's candidate will not win th general election. And that would, as we all know, be a true tragedy.

Unity? Forget it! Obama is unacceptable under any circumstances.

Count all the votes fully! Half measures just give the Dems a half measure fatally flawed candidate and the Republicans slip back into the White House!

Clinton should have ALL of Michigan & Florida's delegates. If she doesn't get them, she should appeal the rulings, bring this to the convention floor and fight like hell. SHe is going to win the popular vote not Obama. Clinton has the guts – Obama doesn't.

Who is the biggest loser in all this? The Democratic Party....

The DNC, via this debacle of a committee, has shown a complete disregard for a process they themselves set into place; and, therefore demonstrate that their mode of governance is to appease at the risk of offending (under the guise of inclusion). In fact, what this committee has ultimately done, is to disenfranchise the real victims in this election, and that is, those Americans (D) or (R) or (I) who trust that elected officials and, in this case, party officials will show leadership and do the right thing without fear of repercussions.

The ONLY fair solution is no solution. Learn the lesson and move on.

It is clear that the Obama campaign is being generous and is willing to comopromis.

It is clear that the Clinton campaign is being as mean spirited as their candidate and is unwilling to compromise for party unity.

The Clintons are making this a loose loose come November.

no matter who the nominee is.

I believe Florida should be penaltized because the Democratics went along with the Republicans in voting to change the primary date.

That senator sounds like a southern baptist preacher. He's disgusting.

It is sickening how the Clinton supporters are trying to use the 2000 election to bolster their ridiculous claims that all the delegates should be awarded.

These people are putting their own selfish interests above those of the Party, as well as the Country.

Deplorable.

Were they united when all of this hoopla started?

The DNC should not allow Clinton to have her way. Once she was okay with the rules and when things got tight for her in the middle of the game she wants change.

Please do not let her and her bully's destroy this party.

50/50 is fair and if she can not accept that, then throw her under the bus.

How nice,

RBC has 13 clinton supporters including Ickes senior adviser to Clinton Campaign and 8 Obama supporters. Can we expect a fair decision?

It is not about what is good for one candidate or another. It is about the value of one's vote. The DNC has zero moral authority to invalidate a person's vote. IA, NH, SC, and NV voters are not more valuable than those from other states-the goal should not be to protect their "first primary/caucus" status, and certainly not at the cost of the right for a vote to counted! Standing behind "rules" that degrades a person's vote is utter nonsense and is the end of a participative republic.

I could accept Sen.s Obama or Clinton; I cannot accept a candidate that obstructs the will of the people. The people in MI and FL spoke (both had turnout that were above 2000 and 2004). However I will not support any candidate who is unwilling to accept the votes as they were cast and recognize the delegates accordingly. I will stay home in Nov, and if McCain wins maybe the DNC and the candidates will learn that their arrogance is unpalatable to a large number of Democrats.

If the votes had gone Obama's way you could bet your last dollar that the likes of Jackson, Pfleger and Sharpton would be screaming racism and demand all votes be counted. A good side bet would be that the Democratic Party would have caved in by now. If the Democratic Party disenfranchises the voters of Florida and Michigan I hope they remember that come November.

Dealer: Mr. Smith, you can add that French-fry powered flux capacitor to your engine, but it's gonna void your warranty.

Mr. Smith: Yeah... whatever.

(Two months later)

Mr. Smith: Hey, my engine seized. I'll bring it in tomorrow for a replacement.

Dealer: Fine. Be sure to bring in the 5 Grand that it's going to cost you to pay for it.

Mr. Smith: What do you mean? I still have two years left on my warranty.

Dealer: Not after that French fry fiasco. You were warned.

Mr. Smith (in general direction of national media): Count my vote! Count my vote!...

This is all going to end in very bad taste and the whole process is going to make the USA look even worse than ever.

The DNC will pander to HRC as most of those "high up" in the DNC did not expect or want Obama to be the nominee. At the time, no one was worried 'cos HRC was ahead. Now those in power in the DNC see the FL and MI case(s) as one last chance to help HRC over the top, which is what was "planned" and "expected" all along – her being the nominee that is.

Somehow, HRC is going to be "given" the nomination in spite of being beaten and it'll all be made to look "right" and "legal" following a new interpretation of the "rules".

Obama is the USA's best hope to move forward and from the brink of falling into a very dark period but he'll be ousted by the more "powerful" and the world will look on and groan and laugh (maybe) and loose even more respect for a once all-powerful nation.

Oh how the mighty fall. Not just Clinton, McCain, Obama but the USA as a whole.

Sad, but the whole world still looks on with a little hope and faith.

Agreeing with Allan Katz, that if the Florida primary (also Michigan's) had not been rendered meaningless, many more people would have voted. Delegations from both states should be seated, but the votes as counted from January cannot be taken as an accurate reflection of the wills of of the peoples of FL and MI. If they are, then those who stayed home in January–following the rules–are the truly disenfranchised.

Honor the Integrity of the voters of Florida!! Seat the delegates as they voted. They have made their case. Respect the Voters!!!

I will be voting Nader.

Ok to unite but don't disfranchaise the law abiding citizens. Alos young generation does not like moving rules after the game starts.

We may have a choice : lose clinton's supporters who are not real democrats, or lose young generation who did not even cast their vote first time because primary is not valid. This young generation will lose the trust they have on the system.

Tip my hat off to Mr. Wexler! What a pit-bull! He pissed Ickles off so bad that he had to leave the table! Ha.ha.ha.! I love it!

Go Obama!

It is not the mandate of the Democratic party to be punitive in their actions towared rank and file party members. It is not the mandate of the DNC to continue to show unwarranted favoritism of Iowa and New Hampshire in setting the date of a state's primary. It is not the mandate of the DNC or rules committee to be punitive and continually unfair to the Clinton campaign by procrastinating in the ruling on this issue.

If ALL delegates and ALL of the popular votes in FL and MI are NOT given to Sen. Clilnton, the party divisions will be unreconcilable. The future of the Democratic Party and the outcome of the 2008 general election are in the hands of members of this committee. Their giving another crown of entitlement to Sen. Obama is no different than the Supreme Court giving President Bush the 2000 electioin.

Obama supporters of course want a penalty. They know Hillary won there.
The votes need to count NOW ...just as people's votes WILL COUNT in November.
It is not an accurate show of delegates without Florida and Michigan.. unless they're not part of our 'union'of states anymore?!!!

they need to give it to clinton she won it fair

Seems the Florida voters, need to get the Republicans OUT. I understand they were the reason, for this whole mess.

Flawed election, equals FLAWED results.

Stay tuned.

I am a Florida resident. Clinton backers in the room booed and hissed Wexler's remarks? Typical. As a women I am shocked by the behavior of the Clinton backers–maybe we aren't ready for a women President, after all.
Sandy Powers

CLINTON FOR THE WIN..

this is amusing:

since someone has to pay for not following rules, why dont the members of fla. and mich. democratic parties pay a fine in dollars personally instead of taking our votes away??

as for mich., the fact that clinton didnt take off her name just goes to show she knows how to plan ahead better than obama.

obama on other hand, it was said on cnn, got to be on chicago democratic ticket on legalities. what about our votes and not delegates???? and he says he is for democratic change in washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since Senator Obama's name was on the Florida ballot , and both campaigns accept the penalty of of one half of the seated delegation [ Senator Clinton to have 19 more] , plus the superdelegates , why not appove the resolution and try to figure out Michigan ? The Obama campaign needs to realize their political one-upmanship will reflect negatively upon November 4th , in Michigan and Florida .

Seems to me that the majority of the presenters are more willing to compromise and come up with a solution than the committee members themselves...

I can't believe I am alive at a time of such history.
This is better than Sputnik.

more elitist BS. This floridian is going to make this a red state. for the first time in my life, I will not vote for my party(dems). Let's go McCain.

You've done extensive coverage on this issue. I am a regular viewer, but maybe I missed something.
The DNC is being cast as the only villain. They might follow their rules (purpose: party discipline) and actually punish the Florida party for holding their primary early. Voters are incensed.
But - who are the morons in Florida who decided to violate the rules and hold the early primary ANYWAY even though they knew what the consequences would be. Who was responsible for making THAT decision?? Haven't heard a word in the media about that question.
I voted in the Florida primary and my resentment is for the state party officials who are REALLY responsible for this mess.

The Democratic Party disappoints me by breaking the rules they set. I can no longer trust them. Hillary, the egomaniac, has driven the party to this. She has the racist and sexist vote to back her. Give the nomination to Obama and get on with the business of the election. Only he can turn this around.

Florida democrats need to realize that they have failed to carry the Democratic candidate in the general election eleven (11) of the last fourteen (14) Presidential elections. Most Democrats don't really see them winning for whoever the Democratic Candidate is. However, we all know the the queen of pandering and dirty campaign tactics and who flip flopped on whether Florida should be seated or not, gives diddley sqaut about the Floridians voting rights or represenation except how it might improve her chances. Regardlessof what happens, Obama will win the nomination and the election and only needs 42 delegates and/or superdelegates to win the nomination.

WONDERFUL JOB FLORIDA. FIGHTERS ALL THE WAY. GREAT JOB!!!

I think the people of Florida should no longer be allowed to have ANY of their votes count in anything federal ever again. They apparently can't comprehend rules or procedures or anything along those lines and want nothing to do with accepting accountability. It is of no surprise to me that yet another Clinton is in the center of an issue with rules and accountability. If the residents of Florida want their votes to count, they should exercise their right and vote out all those responsible for violating the rules in the first place.

They knowingly broke the rules and knew the consequences for doing so. This should be real easy: re-vote or no vote and the re-vote is very kind.

Counting Michigan votes is simply unacceptable, people didn't get to vote because they essentially had no choice but to choose Hillary. And even then only 40% did.

So yeah, Michigan = out of the question, let's not be dumb. Florida, go right ahead and seat. No popular vote lead, no delegate lead. Now please go away.

It seems to me that the only undecided elements of this debate are the Clinton supporters on the committee. How can we trust in these members to make an objective ruling under these circumstances. The questions alone show bias on the part of the Clinton superdelegates – again, the Clinton 'good 'ol boys' influence rears it's ugly head.

As a life long Democratic, either count every vote or count me out as a voter.

In 2000, and 2004 we kept saying count very vote, now is the time to live up to our word and do so.

Primaries are party affairs and not the constitutional problem. So, the voters in Florida must know why their state was punished by the DNC.

All the candidates agreed and accepted the imposition of the punishment by the party.

In the last lap of primaries, Clinton wants Florida and Michigan because she is losing. She never tell anything what she gave in writting to the DNC.

She shamelessly tells that SHE IS MORE ELECTABLE. How? Is she day dreaming?

Why cannot CNN ask and tell the public about the punishment and the agreements on punishments by the candidates? If CNN want to give a clear picture on the Florida and Michigan issue, CNN must publish the copy of the agreements of the candidates on the punishments to Florida and Michigan.

It's ridiculous that they allowed the date to be moved up to before a sanctioned date. And that was done by state republican law makers who are laughing at us all now. There has to be a penalty & next, they need to change the rules again, & have 3 primary voting days divided between all 50 states. Divide the big boys with the little states and that way it becomes fair & no state winds up feeling like they're left out of the process. I live in FL and felt cheated that we didn't get see or talk to the democratic presidential candidates. & I'm a republican! But I'm nobodys robot. I look at them ALL, and vote for the person who I think will do the best job for the country. Not just the ones in my party but ALL of the candidates. Only a moron doesn't consider every option placed in front of them. No one party has a corner market on integrity, faith, and values. They all have failings because they are all human.

Most of you DNC members are a bunch of losers with little moral or ethical values. Its all about who you want to win. Great lessons for our children? You make me sick! want to throw up on you !
!

Count the Florida and Michigan primaries.
Full counts and no spliting counts
Hillary won both states so give them to her and don't take them away. I think if all the votes aren't fully counted the Democratic Party will lose to big state and the Republicans will win. Obama lost these two states to Hillary and he will also lose these two states against John McCain.

what a joke! How can these smart people say that more people would have turned out to vote if this had been a "usual" election? Do they have ESP? Are they clairvoyant? Give me a break! Every person had a chance to vote and those that were interested, DID! Typical manipulative Obama campaign tactics–try to steal Clinton's votes!! Count the votes one for one or consider yourselves lying criminals, DNC.

I dont understand how Florida can demand anything here when they clearly broke a rule, and broke it on purpose. the thing is Hillary had no problem with the rule when she felt she was gonna win the nomination, but it's not going her way so now she wants the rules broken. I wonder if she would be claiming rules are rules if she were in the lead?

I think it speak favorably of Obama's campaign that they are willing to accept any of Florida's delegates being seated. This indicates a real desire to bring to party together. But I am not sure that the Ausman proposal represents the voters views. So even though a Fla. solution is pretty much handed over to the DNC by Ausman it may not create the unity for which Obama is hoping.

It is a concession to HRC but the Obama camp is willing to make it. FL did not respect the rules and need to be punished. a 1/2 vote is the right solution

If rule matter, then:

1. Democratic Party sets the rule. This is not an election but selection of a candidate. If there were no free and fair elections, then the Democratic Party has the final word.

2. In a technically flawed election, "my vote counts" argument is phony.

3. When the candidates agree, then they should be held to the agreement.

4. In every state Obama's share of votes increased after campaigning. Not campaigning in the early stages of these contests adversely affected Obama. Obama’s name was not even on the ballot for Mi. The argument that popular votes should count in these states as cast is therefore dishonest.

Therefore, the right solution, seat half the pledge delegates from the two states and then divide them equally!

Mrs. Clinton, do not play dirty, stop this non-sense! The elections in Fl and Mi were a sham, at best. Don't learn from Mugabe how to cheat after losing.

The only fair solution is to abide by the rules. YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE RULES MIDSTRIDE AFTER THEY ARE BROKEN AND EXPECT A FAIR RESULT FOR ALL CONCERNED. That would be weakness, incompetency, and simply unfair in any organization. Florida and Michigan broke the rules. Now if any concession is given then it would not be fair for those millions of voters who did not turn out to vote becuase they knew their vote would not count, because they believed that the party would stand by its rules. Further, Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. Is this democracy??? Democracy without fairness??? Rewarding those that break the rules? Penalizing those that played by the rules? Penalizing voters that played by the rules? "The rule of law is the closest link between man and freedom." JFK. What that means is abiding by the rules we all agreed to is essential to fairness which is essential to a free and democratic society. Florida and Michigan voters that did vote should redirect their angst at their own legislatures that got them in this mess.

come on people lead that is what you are payed to do. I am sorry but the real enemy here is the republicans that disenfranchised our voters in FL.The Clinton campaign needs to openly and publicly apologize for there baiting people into believing that it was the Obama campaign that some how had anything to do with this. It was a nasty divisive tactic that democrats all are going to regret . That is what people like the Clinton's don't get. Divisive tactics while they might get you your short term goal lead to more and more of the same to make it work. and then everyone loses.

The surrogates closest to the candidates speak directly for the candidate whether they like it or not. All of the Clinton supporters need to pay attention to what Bill Clinton said. Hillary will abide by the decision made by the committee today regarding seating the delegates of Fla and Mich. They will abide by the decision as given! Also, for all of you Hillary supporters you need to realize that the DNC rules select a nominee based on delegates. The popular vote has nothing to do with the selection. If the delegates get seated as the states ask (which is greatly in favor of Clinton) you should be satisfied. If you hear later that she is winning a popular vote and therefore should be the nominee you should cringe at her trying to divide the party and at her asking the superdelegates to do something that is out of their scope. Pay attention now....the superdelegates are not there to look at that type of evidence and overturn the delegate count. Their purpose is to over ride if there is a catastrophic discovery that would all but guarantee the unelectability of the nominee if they did not vote for the change. We are talking about serious things here like a discovery late in the process such as
1) a likely indictment on felony campaign fundraising (kinda like paul v clinton)
2) a connection to a murder or serious crime (vince foster?)
Things like this. Whether the losing candidate is polling slightly better in one state or another or they have gotten Puerto Rico (who does not vote in the general election) to support them, or a state like WV supports them when it is going to vote Republican anyway, or winning Indiana by a few points when Operation Chaos gave them 7 points. Hope you understand a little better now what the role of the supers is. The supers know very well about Paul V Clinton especially those in CA. DO YOU! You might want to search youtube for Hillary Uncensored and get educated about it because when she is not selected as VP you will know why! If you choose to turn a blind eye because you are afraid to be wrong that is fine, just stay home in Nov. Do not vote McCain and vote for war, mandatory draft, big oil, and overturning Roe V Wade for decades and killing the environment for our all future generations.

TELL WEXLER TO GET LOST. HE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL OF FLORIDA. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WHY DONT YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE IT ALL OT OBAMA. YOU GIVEN EVERYTING TO HIM SO FAR.
ALL I KNOW IS I AM NO LONGER A DEMOCRATIC. IT IS YOUR LOST.

What consequences will Obama have to face for advertising on cable TV in violation of the no campaigning agreement? Break the rules – suffer the consequences. Hillary came to Florida for a fundraiser as allowed. Granted the media should not have telecast her arriving the night before the election but that was not campaigning.

As to the voters who boycotted the primary – the tax proposal on the ballot was not important enough for them to go to the polls?

The bill for a paper trail was important enough to vote yes. I've wondered why the Democratics voted yes.

I think Florida should be accepted as voted and Michigan should give the votes for Hillary to her and the uncommited to Obama as his followers campaigned by putting out the word to vote uncommitted and when the delegates reached the convention they could vote for hm eventho his name was not on the ballot.

The Democratic Party needs to rework their primary season and rules.

Please count the votes!

I think the senators and the house of representatives and the governors should be punished, not the people who voted!!! We should fire all of them for creating this problem.

Arthenia Joyner is a State Senator, not a State Representative.

It seems clear to me that although all involved keep talking about unity for the democratic party they are no more unified than the hatfields and the mcoys. My suggestion is live with the consquences. Flordia and Michigian simply do not count as both candidates agreeded to. Time to move on

Did anyone read in the lawyer's letter where it said that Obama should get no votes from Michigan because 'Uncommitted' is a candidate and Obama is not named 'Uncommitted"? She irks my soul.

Disenfranchisement isn't the biggest issue.

Playing by the rules is the big issue. There must not be a change which benefits rule-breakers or harms rule-followers. If Florida and Michigan are given what they're demanding . . . they'll have been rewarded for being cheaters.

Suck it up, citizens of Michigan and Florida. Admit your error. Accept responsibility for it. Don't try to benefit from being cheaters.

Bla bla bla!!!!!
Obama won the contest. You all need the courage to back him for a great time in november. If not, this is the end of a great political party.

BHO IS NOT A UNITER...SOOOO FAKE AND ARROGANT..

Sitting here listening to both sides of the argument...Clinton supporters are so bent on her getting in the white house, they are ignoring agreements they even signed. These people are truly scary.

Poor Bill Nelson,my heart bleeds for him.

clintons need a victory at round table after big lost in the ballot,shame on them!

clinton supporters, trying to influence the process, are being petty.

Seat them!!!!!!!! I was reading the Pfleger blog and was surprised by the number of educated Obalegerwright supporters who are unaware of the Catholics leagues critisim of Hagee? These are the so called educated voters? Educated, yet not informed? Obalegerwright is a liar and very disloyal to his friends for political gain. Is there anyone he won't throw under the bus? We now have two 20 year friendships under the bus and his white grandmother. How can you know someone 20 years and not have a clue as to their thoughts on matters? You can be fooled about some things, but not the basics!

I am starting a campaign here in central florida to vote republican in the November elections in protest if all our delegates are not seated to represent our vote. In a democracy you do not punish voters by not counting their vote 100%