May 31, 2008
Posted: 07:23 PM ET

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama — each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."

Filed under: DNC • Michigan


Debra   June 1st, 2008 12:52 am ET

I believe considering all, that the DNC delt with this imperative matter in a diplomatic way. There is no reason whatsoever that the Clinton's should get all the delegates. They agreed that these votes would not count as well as agreed not to campaign in either state. You can not change the rules when you see that your not winning. Hillary did not do well in planning this campaign from the very beginning and neither did her campaign managers. Her mistake was not planning past super tuesday and it was down hill from there. This blaming Obama for every bad decision her and her campaign has made is pain crazy.
Did anyone in their right mind think that she would get all the delegates in fl or mi, when all people did not vote in either state because of what they were told. Most people do follow the rules and then there are those that follow as long as it is in their favor. Which bring to question her integrity, honoring her word. What we witnessed in this and many of her other flaws [lieing] is what has hurt Hillary. Her word is not at all solid. If you see this now, what will happen once she's in the white house. All the promises she has made during her compaign will be aborted once she's in. Then the people will get it. How you start out is how you must end. I don't believe we have heard the last of the Clinton's. Knowing them as I have come to learn, they never leave on a graceful or poistive exit. I was a supporter of Clinton at first but when I seen the constant lies and dirty politics , I could not support any longer. It's one thing to be strong when your right but you can't stand strong when you know your wrong. You will fall hard from grace at that point. There is a new movement we are seeing here and now. God is doing a new thing here and what we once new to be the norm is no longer normal. Although, I pray that the woman that say they won't support Barack will change their view, if they choose not to, it's ok because God has already selected those that he chose to elect Sen. Obama to be the next Commander-In-Chief. It may not be in the states that we normally expect it to happen. We become so complacent with the way things are alway's done, that when we see a change we see it as strange and begin to fight it only to find in the end, it was the best thing that could have happened. What we need so desperately now is to unite this party and continue to progress toward the white house. United we stand and devided we fall. the rep. are hoping that we will continue to fight against one another because that a almost sure win for them. Democrats we must stand
together , we are the only one's that can cause us to lose this election.

God Bless America

A weary independent voter   June 1st, 2008 12:39 am ET

So many things are wrong with your commentary Josh.

Hillary ran Unopposed and still a significant percentage of the voters chose "Other" over her.

MI voters were informed that their primary did Not count. How many stayed home Josh? Nobody knows for certain. That's why the rules committee had to come up with a remedy.

That is why Hillary's "win" in Michigan is a farce. She like any tinpot dictator can claim a victory when running unopposed. But claiming all the votes and the delegates is utterly ludicrous.

Obama "conveniently" chose to remove his name from the ballot?! Hogwash. He followed the rules and did what the DNC had ordered.
There was no subterfuge on his part. Hillary on the other hand…

The DNC, if I'm correct, followed the remedy that the Michigan Democratic Party offered.

So hate away. Live in "Hillaryland" where excuse, complaint, and blaming everyone else for a poorly run (deeply in debt) campaign. Your carnival ride will be over by Tuesday.

The majority of independent voters prefer Obama, and can't wait for Hillary to go away. We have a criminal presidency, a tanking economy, a war to end and a Republican to defeat. Put the knives down and get started.

KCJ, FLORIDA   June 1st, 2008 12:39 am ET

SHE SHOULD`NT EVEN GOTTEN WHAT THE RULES COMMITTEE AND THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN DECIDED TO GIVE HER IN THE END JUST TO SHUT HER UP,AND THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT THIS WHOLE EVENT IS THAT WE ALL ON THE OBAMA SIDE WILL JUST SIT BACK AND KEEP WATCHING THE CLINTON BACKERS B****H AND MOAN ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION.( LOSERS )

David Newport, OR   June 1st, 2008 12:37 am ET

Josh…it is a shame you feel that way. It is more than your state deserves. But hey…it was your state that decided to break the rules knowing full well the punishment and yet, now they cry foul. This compromise was reached in an attempt to pull the party together. Too bad it appears certain groups will never be happy. My suggestion…start blaming your state's democratic party for their choices, because it was their decision that put all of us in this situation. Frankly, it was their decision that in all likelihood will keep the Republican party in the white house this fall. Time to get over it and start working together.

Tom   June 1st, 2008 12:35 am ET

Josh why would you consider penalizing Obama for following the rules in Michigan? Just curious because your comment seems immature… good to see a resolution and Clinton getting the edge. But time to move on and support Mr. Obama in his campaign against McCain. This is an important election and we can't afford a president that would continue the horrible policies of George Bush. Time to reach out to the older, white blue collar demographics such as myself to unite the Democratic party and help Barack Obama protect the American Dream.

henry   June 1st, 2008 12:34 am ET

It is very obvious that the party elders at the DNC is pushing and pressuring the still uncommitted superdelegates to vote and endorse Obama ASAP & they want Obama to be the nominee even though base on the Electoral College format on the General Election, Clinton clearly had the magic number of 270 pts. to seal the Presidency. The DNC just officially committed a political suicide and just handed what should be a cakewalk for them and handed the victory to McCain and the GOP's.

Wake Up People!!!   June 1st, 2008 12:34 am ET

Rules were broken!!!!

FL and MI had to pay a price.

So goes Hillary's argument.

Let her fight on to the convention if she must.

All it will cost us Dems, ReganDems, and Independents is the White House.

Unless we can break some more rules to get her the nomination.

This is an end game and we should move on together as one!

Obama/? I'm for it!

Ras   June 1st, 2008 12:33 am ET

You know, this just goes to show you how arrogant people can be. Florida and Michigan should have NONE of their votes counted, according to the rules ALL the Democratic candidates agreed to originally. Now some people are screaming, oh well, we're actually entitled to the votes, even though we couldn't get our act together and comply LIKE THE OTHER 48 STATES DID! But these are the values people want their children to learn I guess….do whatever and say whatever you think is fair to you, and cry if the rest of the world won't buy into it. And you wonder how we wound up with the mess we've had the past 8 years.

Clay from alabama   June 1st, 2008 12:33 am ET

Florida got penalized by the Dems the very same as they got penalized from the Reps with this new ruling, so all seems fair there. Plus all parties (FL, Obama Campaign, and Clinton Campaign) agreed to it even though Clinton's campaign would LIKE for full votes, they were ok with this way
.
If that is fair for FL than it is fair for MI. For 45% of the people to vote "any body but Clinton" is VERY telling, whether or not both Obama and Edwards both took their name off the ballot (and by the way could not get write in votes, due to MI rules and laws, with by some counts Obama got some 30K of those).

So it seems very fair for Obama to get those uncommitted votes. Plus even if he didn't MI DNC recently voted for their "uncommitted" representatives. 90% of those have already declared that they would back Obama, so even if you gave those to "uncommitted" "uncommitted" IS Obama, it is the same outcome.

THE LONE RANGER   June 1st, 2008 12:32 am ET

OBAMA PLAYED BY THE RULES. HILLARY AND HER PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO TURN THIS PRIMARY INTO A BANANA REPUBLIC ELECTION, WHERE ANYTHING GOES, AND RULES GET CHANGED ACCORDING TO THE FLOW OF THE GAME.
HAROLD ICKES SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE A CRYBABY, AND SORE LOOSER, BY ACCUSING THE PROCESS OF THIEVERY AND OF HIJACKING. MEANWHILE, WACKO PRUNE FACE, HARRIET CHRISTIAN, CREATED QUITE A SIDE SHOW IN HER QUEST FOR HER 15 SECONDS OF INFAMY.

JaneL   June 1st, 2008 12:31 am ET

Josh, 45% of Michiganders didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Why should she get all the votes?

I'm not a supporter of Clinton's or Obama's (and no, I'm not for McCain; I am a Democrat) and I thought the rules committee should not have reconsidered their original decision to strip both states of their delegates. I dread the next election cycle, now that states believe they can leap-frog to the front of the line with impunity - I understand that the Michigan Dem Party leader isn't done and will push the credentials committee to restore the votes fully.

As a voter in the biggest, most populous state, our primary was relatively early (March 5), but my two preferred candidates had dropped out by then, so, Josh, we've all gotten screwed.

But to put this to bed, I'll live with this decision. How about it? Are you willing to compromise?

Malcolm-Alabama   June 1st, 2008 12:30 am ET

The DNC did the right thing and stuck to the rules. The votes in FL and MI as cast were invalid as the presidential nominees were not allowed to campaign - you can not have a free and fair democratic election with the nominees not being able to campaign in person for the votes of the people. Obama, Edwards, Richardson and others showed good faith in abiding by the rules of the DNC and petitioned to have their names removed in both MI and FL - they were successful only in MI because FL maintained the names of the candidates on the ballot against their wishes. Hillary Clinton pledged that she would abide by the DNC ruling that the move-up primary votes of MI and FL would not count. She decided to go against that pledge when it proved politically advantageous. The half-delegate count and Michigan compromise was fair and a significant number of Hillary Clinton supporters who made up the MAJORITY on the Rules and Bylaws committee supported it. The playoffs are coming to an end and we need to focus on November.
On to the general election.

PA_Voter   June 1st, 2008 12:30 am ET

Unfortunately, I believe Hillary needs to contest Michigan as it does not seem like the DNC is abiding to Michigan state law. For Hillary to be "given" less delegates than she earned in the Primary is ridiculous! Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot and therefore the "uncommitted" delegates should not be given to him.

HILLARY, TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION. BO will go down by his own past actions; otherwise, Senator McCain by default will be our next President!

Sammy   June 1st, 2008 12:30 am ET

Josh, I am one of those in Michigan who did not vote in the democratic primary because I was told it wouldn't count. I am also an Obama supporter. So what about my voice? To say that all the votes should count and they should all go to Clinton is not fair to me or any other Michigander who wanted our voices to go for those besides Clinton. Giving her all the delegates and Obama none would NOT be representative of the true desires of Michigan and is absurd. The allocation agreed upon is more fair than Clinton all, Obama none.

joel   June 1st, 2008 12:29 am ET

actually no. They are biased towards the rules. You obviously have no knowledge or regard or respect for the way this worked. Both of these states fought to have their elections early even after being warned of the consequences. Neither of them should have been allowed any leeway and the fact that they were and the fact that you are still not happy with that proves just what a closed minded, sad, win-at-all-cost Hillary supporter you are. The rules are the rules thankfully, so I either suggest you leave this country or wake up and smell the coffee. Curious what your take would be had Hillary been in Obama's position and Obama in her's? Anyway the way it all stands in this current reality is that FYI Hillary loses either way.

Heather   June 1st, 2008 12:28 am ET

For those of you who didn't pay attention:
1. Clinton and Obama both signed off on the rules that didn't count those votes, because of the penalty ruling on the early primary.
2. Both candidates also signed pledges not to campaign there.
3. HILLARY BROKE THE RULES, then expected the votes to be treated normally. Then she manipulates the press and calls the voters "disenrfranchised".

Guess what, folks? This will be essentially over in 72 hours. Clinton voters who take this to Denver severely endanger our chances of taking the White House.

As L.A. sportscaster Chick Hearn used to say, the refrigerator door is closing, and the eggs are getting cold. Put on your big girl panties and DEAL WITH IT!

Stop Denver   June 1st, 2008 12:28 am ET

Of course you would not be happy. Its all or nothing for you Clinton supporters. I hope she does go to the credentials committee, just to hear no she cant have it her way.

Look on the positive side, she is in Puerto Rico drumming up support (popular vote) argument so she can make her case when she wins that STATE, with the endorsement of SUPER DELEGATE Ricky Martin, who will be preforming at the DNC in Denver. The popular vote argument is garbage in a primary.. Reason the votes in the Caucuses are not counted. FACT.

P.S when she looses Montana and South Dakota and the (Popular Vote) she will continue her destructive, broke self to the convention.

Finally - a smart move   June 1st, 2008 12:28 am ET

Hey Josh -

HRC was the only on the ballot because she did not remove her name as instructed! Typical Clinton supporter, only knowing half hte story because she doesn't want to educate the voters.

HRC is just as slick as her husband without only 3 more years experience than BO. As for me, I'd rather vote for the person that I can trust.

Obama O8

real dem   June 1st, 2008 12:27 am ET

LOL, if you want to be like that Josh then go back to when Hillary and O'bama both agreed to not campaign in Both Florida and Michigan and noted that Michigan and Florida would not be counted because they broke the rules but now Hillary is being two-faced and changing her mind. Why would I want someone in office that does that. And anyway what do you say to the million voters in both Florida and Michigan that didn't vote because they knew that THERE OWN STATE BROKE THE RULES AND THERE DELEGATES WOULD NOT COUNT?

FAIR IS FAIR.

Jenny J   June 1st, 2008 12:27 am ET

The way the DNC Rules Committee voted is just about the way I saw it coming though not what I would have liked. Even so, this gives Hillary some breathing room. After the landslide in Puerto Rico on Monday, there will not be enough delegates left for Obama to pick up what he needs to nail down the nomination. Too bad, Berry.

Now, on to the convention and, um… Barak, why don't you bring your friends Revs Wright and Phlugr along with you to Denver. They've done so much for your campaign.

Dvon   June 1st, 2008 12:27 am ET

it wouldn't matter if they hillary clinton got the 73-55 amount of delegates, she still is going to lose. Clinton supporters just have to deal with that

michael, Gladstone, MO   June 1st, 2008 12:27 am ET

This is probably the most fair response by the DNC. I had the ability to watch mart of the RBC meeting today and it appeared that the delegate apportionment was submitted by the MICHIGAN Democratic party - not by Obama or by Clinton, or by the DNC. Does anyone really think that Obama would not have gotten any votes had his name not been removed from the ballot? This is the (new) definition of "is" by the Clinton campaign, and a "my way or the highway" attitude only highlights how the campaign has become focused on winning and not really caring about the votes being counted to enfranchise the voters.

As to the half votes, that is more than fair in my view. Both states were found to have changed their primaries' dates against the rules of the party, and the party can make its own rules. Nothing in the Constitution addresses political parties. This punishes the state partty folk. Whether they were justified or not is bside the point. The state folk knew the risks, and all the candidates, including Senator Clinton, signed off on the original punishment.

BTW, I am an Obama supporter, but I'm not so rabid that this will keep me from voting Clinton in November if by some chance she becomes the nominee. I don't intend to cut off my nose to spite my face. I know what four more years of Bush policies will mean - a weaker dollar, a continuation of no real strategy or definition of mission in Iraq, and the potential of aggression against Iran.

Anonymous   June 1st, 2008 12:26 am ET

You realize Obama didn't put his name on the ballot in order to follow the rules set by the DNC, the same rules both he and Clinton were supporters of until Clinton started to lose? Can't really penalize someone for following the rules and reward someone else for breaking them.

Betty   June 1st, 2008 12:26 am ET

Too bad Josh uses the words hate. The " Monstor" THAT HE SUPPORTS, Hillary ,causes people to behave the way that they do. Hillary is not a person I would even allow my children to follow not even my "Dogs-animals" if they were allowed to vote. She is evil and you see what she is doing to the Democratic party . Hillary Clinton, She will do anything in order to become the nominee. She is truly a "MONSTER" AND THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HER ARE BLIND beyond recognition.

frank   June 1st, 2008 12:26 am ET

Josh,
You are a deluded. Hillary publically agreed to remove her name from the ballot- a lie!!!! She deserved to get no delegates from Michigan. the compromise was generous to her. Face it, the Clinton dynasty is over, and not a moment too soon

Frank from VA   June 1st, 2008 12:26 am ET

It's resolved. Lets move on and deal with John McCain. There is no way anyone could ever determine the will of the MI voters from what happened at the polls there. The people of Michigan never had a chance to express a preference between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama and the best outcome today would probably have been a 50/50 split. A few more delegates one way or the other won't affect anything. Let's put this behind us and focus on winning in Nov.

Blake   June 1st, 2008 12:25 am ET

I just don't understand the logic of die hard Hillary supporters? What really makes these people think that the Michigan or Florida votes were fair? Everyone wants there candidate to win, but come on. Fair is fair! Trust me when 40% of a state votes uncommitted against a 55% vote for Hillary it doesn't indicate anything positive for Clinton to gain on. That means that 40% voted against her (any body but her). It's time that everyone start to wakeup to the facts and accept the results. You can't win them all, and you can't make up rules as you go!

Beverly, Houston   June 1st, 2008 12:25 am ET

Josh,

You obviously have not been keeping up with this. Floriada and Miichigan were being punished because they illegally moved up their primaries. Why are you blaming Barack?? Hillary did not give a darn about Florida and Michigan until she was losing.

Joiner in Texas   June 1st, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am an Obama supporter and not happy with this decision. Hillary should step down and get out of this race before the entire US votes for McCain.

She is tearing the D-party and the voters apart with this continuing fighting to be the Queen of America. She does not give a hoot about the American People, The D-party or anything except herself. She is not fighting for change in American and how Washington DC runs the country, and if she is elected it would not be long before the people and delegates who votes for her will be kicking them self for ever believing in the pack of lies that she keep spitting out.

I will vote for Obama, and if he is not on the ballet then I will vote for McCain.

Tonya   June 1st, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am so confused here. I am a white Female from Florida, and I too was raised by the quote "follow the rules". I'm not sure I understand why the DNC held a hearing today. Just last year everyone in that room today voted to penalize Florida and Michigan for breaking the rules. Hillary agreed upon these rules, an expressed no concern whatsoever, when she was ahead. Hell, she even stated on live Television that she didn't remove her name form the Michigan Ballots , beause, it didn't matter, the votes don't count! Did know one elsee see this, but me! Am I missing something here? This election has really helped me to open my eyes wide; there are a lot of ignorant people out there, and they don't even know it. You mean to tell me you can create a rule, agree on a rule, set a rule, and then change it to accomodate someone, some situation etc. This is absolutely ridiculous! You all need to truly open up your eyes and stop this nonsense. Hillary has no one to blame for this situation but herself! She ran a poor campaign from the start. I am not surprised by the fact that her campaign is 31 million dollars in debt. She has none of the qualities of a good Leader. She ran a negative campaign, and spent too much time trying to elaborate and research dirt on her opponent instead of showing America that she is trustworthy and capable of being the next President. She used poor judgement when selecting her campaign staff; therefore, she had to hire, fire, and rehire and she still doesn't have it right, and now to make matters worst, she is a sore loser. Hillary allowed America to see the true Hillary and I don't like it. Hillary and Bill Clinton have more tricks up there sleeves than any of her supporters care to see. They have received millions of dollars from questionable Countries, Bill has pardoned people who should still be behind bar, and they thought they had Washington DC wrapped around there fingers, but, I'm glad the Superdelegates have opened there eyes, and are also tired of the games played in DC. Enough is enough. a change is definitely needed!

Ralph Benno   June 1st, 2008 12:25 am ET

democracy with half vote..? Is DNC "GOD" on earth..

Funny… what happenned to our found father ideology
WE THE PEOPLE,, one person one vote..

There are no penalties or rules in that.

It should have been all or none.. Either way the DNC lost FLorida in general election..They have alienated FLorida
Let the DNC stew in thei election of OBAMA..a losing candidate.

A SHAME to the proess

I am a demcrat..Now I will switch to Republican.. .unless Hillary runs independent

T. W.   June 1st, 2008 12:24 am ET

Since this was the Michigan Democratic party solution, Josh should attack the Michigan Democratic party…but of course not be angry at the Michigan governor (a Clinton supporter) who signed off on the move of the primary in violation of the National party rules, fully knowing that would mean disqualification…. and of course not be angry at Clinton who
agreed that the primary would not count….and then suddenly whipped up naieve supporters after realizing that she was way behind in delegates and popular vote and needed to resusicate the disqualified states to get bargaining chips for VP or to try yet another spinned rationale to get the superdelegates to overrule the choice of delegates awarded by primaries.

Becky   June 1st, 2008 12:24 am ET

I am so sick of Hillary I can just scream. First she says that Mich. and Fl broke the rules, and the rules are the rules. Now she gets a compromise, and it's still not good enough. Do we really want a wishy-washy president like her. She's just another Bush, It's her way or the highway. Oh yea, I'm a white middle aged woman.

Ryan   June 1st, 2008 12:24 am ET

Josh - you are aware that Hilary personally signed a legally binding document last fall that stated she was totally cool with Florida AND Michigan not counting right? She only started making a stink over this whole mess when she realized she was losing.

Dwight   June 1st, 2008 12:23 am ET

looks pretty fair considering it could have been 100 % penalized.
the committee did the best with what the two states put them in.
so.

time to unite.

Democrats 08

Dissed in CA   June 1st, 2008 12:23 am ET

She was robbed. Watch as a democrat changes into an independent. Bye Bye DNC

Veronica   June 1st, 2008 12:23 am ET

Although I want Hillary to win, I was appalled by what I witnessed at the DNC meeting today. Every participant in any competition understands that the rules agreed to at the beginning are the same rules that apply at the end.

All this double talk and shading of the facts doesn't change anything.

Obama 08   June 1st, 2008 12:23 am ET

Josh people like you are exactly the reason Hillary is behind in every count that matters. It is sad that the only thing your candidate has taught her voters is to hate. Truth is nobody is going to feel sorry for this grown woman who decided before this primary begin that she will win… because she is a Clinton….and just as you hate the DNC. I am sure that they will NOT ,miss a blink tonight as they sleep

Alex in MA   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

That primary was not legitimate and everyone knows it. I am glad that the Rules Committee were able to see through the nonsense and arrive at a fair decision. I have grown up believing that whats fair is fair and that everyone should play by the rules! I hope to raise my children to believe same and not to think that the end always justifies the means.

Donna, in Georgia   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

I believe it was the right thing to do. If the shoe was on the other foot, there is no way Hillary Clinton would have agreed to have all of the delegates seated. It's so obvious that Obama is a fair person and tries to do the right thing for his rival although she would have never done the same thing for him. Reverend Pfleger was right. She is a crying Clinton that thinks the world owes her and her husband something. I am a true democrat and I used to like them until she started whiningand lying about everything and he started bringing race into the picture. The meer fact that African Americans once said he was the first president is inconceivable to me. That's where ignorance comes into play. A white man could never know how it feels to be a black person because they are so used to having things go their way. I'm so sick and tired of women thinking that they have to vote for her because she will be the first woman as president. You should vote because of honesty and integrity. Obama has all of this and more. He's very intelligent and she can't stand the fact that a black man is beating a Clinton. Get over yourself Hillary and go crawl back into your hole with your red nose husband. Obama all the way.

Andrew (Toronto, Ontario)   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

Josh, why are you so mad at Obama for removing his name from the Michigan ballot? He was told that Michigan broke the DNC rules by moving up their primary date and as result their votes would not count. The majority of you Hillary supporters are upset that Obama followed the rules and the DNC decided to compromise, even though they should have stood by their rules. What's the point of having rules when no one takes them seriously?

I wonder what Hillary and her supporters would be saying if the roles were reversed!! I bet she'd be saying how important it is for the DNC to uphold their original ruling and how now would be a good time for her opponent to accept defeat.

I use to admire Hillary Clinton, but I have lost all respect for her during the course of this campaign (especially after Bosnia). Her supporters remind me of the arrogant republicans that defend the Bush administration with irrational talking points.

John Des Plaines IL   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

Rules are rules period, end of sentence.

yielee   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

It's a weightless solution. They were too careful not too alter the outcome.

Could careless   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

Obviously Josh is not looking at ALL the facts and making extremely biased statements that will be ignored by everybody.
Rules my friend…rules..

Ada   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

Please can someone tell me whether T. J. Holmes is married. He is the man of my dreams.

Jeremy   June 1st, 2008 12:22 am ET

Yeah, I know I will be moderated out. I can live with it and if you even got a chuckle out of it while deleting my post it was well worth it.

Montana Dem   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

Hey Josh,

Obama, like every other candidate except Clinton, took his name off the ballot after everyone agreed that Michigan broke the rules and would not count. You said he (Obama) "did not put his name on the ballot".That, Josh, is simply not true.

This whole thing was nothing but a "dog and pony show" anyway. I'm going to relish in the concession speech from Clinton on Wednesday. Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!

Hillary 08   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

Ohh shut up and stop whinning,am for Hillary but this is bigger than Hillary,its the future of our great nation at stake.I never honestly expected a decision that will go against Obama and may be,just may be hand over the nomination to Hillary.That would turn the party upside down.In the interest of party unity,lets move forward.

Jan, Willow Grove, PA   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

Josh,

Obama just followed the decision put forward by the Rules Committee of the Democratic Party. Maybe Mrs. Clinton should get ALL those votes while at the same time being THROWN OUT of the Democratic Party for IGNORING the Rules Committee?

Jan

Lawrence, a person of conscience   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

I knew the DNC had no balls to keep MI at zero delegates.

Tom   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

The bottom line is the only fair way to do this was to revote in MI and FL. Second aside from the delgate count Clinton will end this Primary fight with the Popular vote. According to every upstanding Democrat the Popular vote is the will of the people as in what happened between Bush and Gore in 2000. If Obama is Selected will he meet with the same criticism that Bush got? This speaks volumes to the hypocrisy of the Democratic party.

brad   June 1st, 2008 12:21 am ET

i believe this is more than fair. lets not forget that hilary agreed that both michigan and florida would not count and now she's acting like the dnc are not being democratic. she cant change the rules at the end of the game because she is losing. i actually like the decision because florida and michigan voters do recieve some recognition. The problem with seating every delegate at full strength is that in the future other states will be able to move their primaries up without penalty. why have rules.

my mama taught me to follow the rules and not cheat! lol

Tony in Michigan   June 1st, 2008 12:20 am ET

Living in Michigan I really think that the Michigan delegation should of been given full votes with the exception of the states leadership that caused this problem. We would not be in this position without the poor descisions made at the top. This was not caused by Obama or the national DNC.

Terrence (Winston Salem, NC)   June 1st, 2008 12:20 am ET

For Clinton supporters to say in one breath we want ALL voices to count but then say count the results of the invalid election as it was cast is bizarre.
Do you REALLY think that those result reflected the will of the Democrats in MI? So 45% (uncommited) would not have voted for another candidate had it been valid? Also, would not the dynamic been different if all 8 candidates were allowed to introduce themselves to MI by campaigning? It's crazy for people to think that 55% of MI voters wanted Clinton and no other candidate would have won any delegates?

So, while I'm upset that it had to come down to this, I think that any consideration to these invalid results was very generous in making the decision the DNC rules team made today.

JacklynD   June 1st, 2008 12:20 am ET

As usual the spin is in favor of Obama. What the reporters and leadership fail to mention is that Obama and Edwards removed their name from the Michigan ballot because they knew they would lose. This way it didn't count as a loss. Florida wouldn"t allow them to remove their name. There was no rule or suggestion that any candidate take their name off the ballot.

I am gravely disappointed. Watching the proceedings today was like looking behind the curtain in Oz. What a farce. What right do a hand full of people have to dictate who the candidates will be?

I am through with the party and will not vote for Obama.

Mark   June 1st, 2008 12:20 am ET

Hey Josh, the deal was fair, who's to say all of the votes clinton got were hers, and not just votes because she happened to be the strongest democrat on the ballot…

The deal was fair, she will have to deal with it, and realize she has lost…

Steve   June 1st, 2008 12:19 am ET

Congratulations Hillary supporters. Michigan and Florida cheated and was given a gift by the DNC in this vote. None should have been seated but Mrs. Clinton whined and moaned after agreeing at the beginning of the primary season that their votes would be stripped. Only when she realized she would lose did she flip flop and start complaining about how the voters were "disenfranchised". Don't you see Clinton supporters, Hillary is only concerned about herself and not your votes. She will stop at nothing to get into the White House, even if it means splitting up the Democratic Party. Oh, and by the way, Obama still only has 67 delegates to go to Clinton's 200 plus. This game was over and still is over. Unite under Obama or we'll have 4 more years of Iraq.

George   June 1st, 2008 12:19 am ET

Josh you are an idiot. Hillary knew the rules and she had no problems with it until she realized that she was losing. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. What does that say about her character and yours. I am sure you were raised better than that.

PSmith   June 1st, 2008 12:19 am ET

I have been a democrat since I can remember and I am so disgusted by what happened today.

The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee does not speak for a whole state.

It is our vote that counts not yours.

Shame on you!

Reality_Check   June 1st, 2008 12:19 am ET

Josh,

You, like the other Hillary supporters, are an idiot. Hillary agreed to the penalties and then wormed her way onto the ballot. The only thing the Michigan vote proves is her lack of integrity and that she can beat Kucinich. You are all living in a delusional world. You believe Hillary has "experience" despite a complete lack of it. The only experience she has is shared by Monica Lewinsky (hint: it has nothing to do with politics) and the presidential cat, "Socks". You believe her repeated lies despite repeated hard facts against them. You are blind to the fact that she is as poisonous and dirty a politician as Karl Rove and George Bush ever were. You refuse to accept the reality that the only thing that cost Hillary this election is Hillary, not the media, not Pelosi, not Dean. Be an adults and accept responsibility and stop looking for people to blame. Furthermore, Hillary couldn't beat Obama in a primary so stop talking as if she can beat McCain.

First Bill Clinton costs Gore the election with antics giving us 8 years of George Bush. Now Hillary can continue his legacy by costing the Dems and election once again. In the ultimate irony, many of these women who are voting for Hillary for the mere fact she is woman and profess that they will never vote for Obama will face a Supreme Court that will roll back Roe v. Wade, affirmative action and many other civil rights. That'll teach Obama!

dg   June 1st, 2008 12:19 am ET

HILLARY deserves a lot better, and everybody knows she is the best the Dems have. CLINTON for PREZ

Dimree   June 1st, 2008 12:18 am ET

Stop whining. YOU LOST! The Clinton name doesn't entitle anyone to benefit from breaking the rules. Sorry you don't like it but you might as well quit your bellyaching and get used to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next president:-).

Sharon Minnesota   June 1st, 2008 12:18 am ET

Sharon Minnesota May 31st, 2008 8:37 pm ET
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Democracy at it's worst. Florida and Michigan can join the Republicans for sure now. They will be happy to count your votes come November.

Timothy   June 1st, 2008 12:18 am ET

I agree with the Democratic National Convention’s ruling on the votes in Florida, but find the ruling on Michigan’s votes disturbing. The DNC is talking out of the side of their heads on the Michigan decision. This is not an accurate reflection of the intention of the voters in Michigan.

Uncommitted votes should be accurately and fairly acknowledged as uncommitted. I support Senator Clinton’s desire to count Michigan’s votes as is. I sincerely hope the problem with Michigan is resolved before any more damage is done to the image and integrity of the Democratic Party.

The unresolved dispute and misrepresentation of inaccurate counting of votes would be a precedent we all would regret being set.

Timothy

John   June 1st, 2008 12:18 am ET

Seems like alot of people just dont want a black man as president

Ray   June 1st, 2008 12:18 am ET

Josh, although you disagree with the outcome don't you think its a little childish to say " we hate you"? In the end we all have the same agenda.

Fowler J. in Tn.   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Everybody lets chill out here , it was a good decision to unite the party.
Remember everybody know what the rules were on Mich. and Fl. before the voting took place and everybody agree including Sen.Clinton.
Lets all now make sure that Sen.Mc Cain doesn't win the White House and carry out Pres.Bush's 3rd term . Can you just picture what the Supreme Court would look like if McCain becomes Pres. of the U.S.A.
DEMOCRATS UNITE

Michelle, Indiana   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Josh - I've read many comments from people here on CNN and other sites stating they voted uncommitted to give their votes to either Obama or Edwards as it was the only way they could. Giving those votes/delegates to him was only fair. It's time to start looking at issues as this is now a closed chapter of this long primary season.

Why do you hate Pelosi and Dean for this? They didn't suggest the 69-59 split - the state of Michigan's Democratic committee did.

We need the strongest candidate to fight McCain in November and based on how she's run her campaign and the people she surrounds herself with, it is not Hillary. Obama has run a better campaign. It's as simple as that.

Rashida for Obama!   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Dear Hillary Clinton,

It's over! OBAMA 08-12

yns   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

You take it all the way to the convention Hillary! The Good Ole Boys are doing everything they can to knock you out! You are the only one that will get my vote in November!

GetAGrip   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Anyone could see how any other outcome would have been grossly inappropriate. The Clinton people are going down kicking and screaming for unfair things because it's their last chance. "give only Clinton delegates from Michigan, it's the only way to represent everyone." Yea, hypocrites fighting for representation, as if Michigan had no obama supporters.

Ferbert Shindergalf   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Michigan of all places surely is the land of the greatest people
who come together in a time unique and a setting reflective of the current values of mainstream america today. And as Marvin Guberman so succinctly exclaimed to the throngs which were gathered recently at the park in Grand Rapids under the weeping willow tree where sat Olympia McDoodlehead sipping a mountain dew, and she said I believe HILLARY IS OUR CHOICE for the next deciderer to answer that 3:00am call which might be Bill needing a ride home from the bar.

Unbelievable   June 1st, 2008 12:17 am ET

Josh, you conveniently over look the fact that the DNC had already said that the Michigan primary was NOT going to count! Therefore noone's name should have been on the ballot. I'm from Florida and I agree that taking away 100% of the delegates was too harsh. I haven't missed voting in any election (national or state) for over 10 years but I didn't vote in the Florida primary because we were told over and over that it would not count! How many people in Florida and Michigan were like me and simply didn't vote because of this? That is the reason why simply giving all the delegates to Clinton would have been outrageous. No one can cry foul because the DNC is ran by the Clintons and has been since 1991. The underdog simply ran a better campaign.

Steven   June 1st, 2008 12:16 am ET

How can you say Obama not having his name on the ballot is a convenience for him when at the time he wasn't the front runner, and the race still had three other contestants?… I hope this mess continues and the country sees first hand what to expect next year if a Dem takes the white house.

Africans for Obama   June 1st, 2008 12:16 am ET

The Clintons are singlehandedly ruining the Democratic party. Why should she get all the votes. What entitles her to it! Tell me Please! And why is Obama always to blame for everthing that occurs in the universe. Say if you are not for the DNC then get the hell out.

James Rick   June 1st, 2008 12:16 am ET

Do you call this being bias? Josh, do you have any children or people who look up to you? What will you teach them? To change rules when they are loosing or behind? This was a flawed election and deep down your heart, you know it but fighting unjustly? Its a shame people cant deal with this with honesty knowing Hillary is wrong and should just accept her defeat.

john   June 1st, 2008 12:16 am ET

Those that think Clinton should get all the delegates need to remember that she agreed the results in Michigan would not count. In fact it was Ickes who agreed to it. This was when they thought they were the presumptive nomination for the democratic party. Funny how they changed their minds when they began to lose. There is no way this woman should be President. She reminds me of Bush.

Kim   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Truth be told Josh… Both primaries were at the time deemed invalid so it shouldn't have mattered who's names were on the ballot. The DNC had more Clinton supporters than Obama and with the exception of Ilkes or whatever his name is the RBC was interested in reaching some sort of compromise with both states in the interest of party unity

Indy   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

The RBC did the best it could today under difficult circumstances. Hillary supporters should not be upset over the 4 vote slippage in her total. It's alsohard to deny the Obama supporters any votes from Michigan.I think Hillary is a great candidate but will support the nominee which appears to be Obama. It is time for all the bickering to end and focus on fixing the economy and bringing our troops home.

I hope Hillary does not intend to take this matter to the convention. She will certainly lose and all she accomplishes is the potential defeat of her fellow democrat. If she does that she is politically dead. Congratulations to the Florida and Michigan voters. Your full votes will be restored at the convention but only after the nominee is apparent.

CL   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

It's so very sad that the committee is so in favour of Obama that they would cheat Mrs Clinton is so blatantly without a second thought. It doesn't matter who you support it just reeks of garbage.

Gemini66   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Did they not understand the rules when these "persons" voted???? Was this not stated before hand?????? FL especially are just making the rest of the nation(after chad gate) see how you play the game-

Happy   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Boo Hoo. I loved seeing how the Clinton supporters acted today. It showed their true colors and education level.

junie, ca   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Please, give it up Billary…you are on the way out.

Eric   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Unbelievable how the DNC got bullied by the Clinton camp into even considering seating any of the Florida and Michigan delegates. This overture of goodwill will not be met with a response in kind. Clinton will continue to with her 'entitlement" mentality and insist on being the nominee against the clear will of the people. Never mind if this jeopardizes the party's unity, the general election and the good of the country. She puts personal ambition above all else.

Truly hope I'm wrong.

Words of Caution   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

Josh…I agree. Obviously Obama, Richardson, Biden and Edwards were not interested in Michigan. They must have believed that rumor that was going around that Michigan had joined Canada because they liked the bacon.
How could the DNC be so blind as to not recognize the immense victory of Hillary against NOBODY!

Berkeley   June 1st, 2008 12:15 am ET

I am not happy with the decission either. Votes were stolen from Hillary. She should take it all the way to the Denver.

Joe Issano   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

The Clinton clan are just dispicable. Nothing more than a bunch of creeps, who will do anything ousrside of the rules to be nominated. They should just get lost and let the real campaign begin.

deb   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

Should have known that the DNC would back Obama again. I will not vote for Obama and all the DNC did was to split the party with its unfair decisions. Obama was on the Florida ballot, and the people of Florida voted for Hillary, come on DNC, open you eyes. Its going to be just like it was in 2002, another cheating, lying and back stabbing election.

I will vote for Hillary, ONLY

Pelosi and Dean are double dealing cheaters. I thought Pelosi would be a good leader, NO, SHE IS JUST LIKE BUSH. LIAR.

Jason   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

Be thankful you Hillary supporters get anything at all, as Hillary's own advisers agreed to abide by the initial rules of both states losing all their delegates.

Where was she yelling about so-called disenfranchisement when she agreed that these states would not count? Oh yeah, she was still holding the belief that she would win the nomination by a handy margin.

Nate   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

Clinton's strategy in the last month has been an effort to exert what influence she has left in order to define the conversation with regard to how the public should view the seating of both the Florida and Michigan delegations. This is a transparent, yet effective, technique most often utilized by those who do not have objectively verifiable truth on their side. Can you say Bush administration?

I sincerely hope that everyone who intends to vote for a democratic candidate this fall can rally behind the presumptive nominee, Barack Obama.

Anonymous   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

Please, please, Josh. Control your emotions.

Kevin

Concerned American   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

On October 11, 2007, Hillary Clinton said the following on a New Hampshire public radio station:

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot…it's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

**Have people simply forgotten her saying stuff similar to this prior to primary season?**

rules are rules   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

COME TUESDAY THIS CHARADE BY THE BILLARY TWINS WILL BE OVER—GOOD RIDDANCE.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

erika morgan   June 1st, 2008 12:14 am ET

To be legit they need to revote these States now after all the others are done. Whoever decided to hold the primaries ahead needs to pay for the new elections.

I am from Washington, our top two primary has been validated by the Supreme Court so we will be voting in August with only the top two vote getters making it to the General Election in November. The parties are not very happy about this because we Washingtonians want to vote for the person not the party, and the party candidate may not even be on our ballot in the General. The people of Washington are overwhelmingly happy to have a primary that looks so much like our "blanket primary" so we can vote the person regardless of party affiliation.

Aaron   June 1st, 2008 12:13 am ET

I am a young voter(28) in Ohio, I have never voted but have registered to vote this year. I didnt know who to vote for, before today. After the DCN changed their rules, I have decided to vote for McCain. This is non-sense, I wish many times in my life I could change the rules. I live a simple life and follow the rules (if I dont I get fired). Actually that is a good idea, the DCN should "fire" those people responsible for this (maybe then I would change my mind),

Dennis Domondon for Obama   June 1st, 2008 12:13 am ET

whats was done is fair. how can u even complain when the votes in these two states should have not counted for anything. the fact that there is even an argument when all candidates ageed in the beginning on the rules surprises me.

put an end to the say anything do anything to win politics

OBAMA 08

chris vargus   June 1st, 2008 12:13 am ET

As a servicemember from michigan who never voted until after I left the military because of medical discharge. I lost my leg in iraq for what? So my vote wouldnt count? Im changing to republican!!! At least I know mcain knows the sacrifice I made for this country. I know my vote wil count for them. I always thought my vote would count! I never knew they decided when and how my vote would count!!!!

Super-Duper Delegate   June 1st, 2008 12:13 am ET

I don't understand the hoopla!!!!! The rules were broken and the candidates were asked not to campaign in these states. As far as I see it Obama followed the rules!!!!!! At least now, this is behind the democratic party and we can move on to the general election.

Obama '08!!!

Jason Rieger   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

I love that all of these Clinton supporters are saying that not fully seating the delegates from Michigan is undemocratic without realizing that having an election with only one candidate on the ballot and giving voters no other choice is exactly what dictators do to feign democracy.

D   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

It wasn't only Obama, it was Edwards as well that didn't put his name on the ballot, or campaigned in that state. Further, they were told the stipulations of what would occur since Michigan did push up the primary and go against the rules that had been agreed upon. Hillary was the only one that had her name on the ballot. Regardless, Florida and Michigan broke the rules, willingly, and they are very lucky that they are getting this compromise, as opposed to the alternative (not counting at all). It goes to show you that you can break the rules, and not suffer consequences if you stamp your feet and have a tantrum.

jon   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

From Michigan here and she should have not gotten all of them, thats just insane to suggest. Stop being such a crybaby and get over it. Are you going to fight for my right of not being able to select my candidate? Or do you just fight if it benefits Hillary? Its over for her time to get on board with Obama or get run over by the straight talk express

oh yea 1 more thing GO WINGS!!

Marlon   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

There is something fundamentally wrong with the DNC providing an educated resolution to proportionately seat delegates in Michigan and Florida. The best and accurate solution to seating delegates in Michigan and Florida was a revote in a second primary, provided that the DNC fund the voting process. I can arguably presume that the existing tally of votes does not represent the will of the people.

The DNC had a chance to fix this months ago, and consequently this became the best solution at such a late date. The DNC leadership was respectful to Sen. Clinton and the delegates in Michigan and Florida by seating them and providing a reasonable penalty for breaking the rules. Maybe next time Michigan and Florida will voice any difficulties keeping a schedule and ask for help before the republican party gets them in trouble again.

James Lewis   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

I hear a great deal of controversy and talk that it is unfair not to seat the delegates and votes in Florida and Michigan, and I understand it to a degree, my only argument is that why didn't anyone from the Clinton campaign contest before she was losing the democratic nomination? If it is unfair now, why wasn't it when they initially made the decision.

pauline   June 1st, 2008 12:12 am ET

The sanctimonious DNC destroyed Democracy today as they rewarded a candidate that took his name off the ballot in Michigan. They ignored the will of the people and let the world know that American elections are corrupted and manipulated by a few. The few DNC members with the courage of their convictions, and armed with a sense of fairness and truth were quickly crushed by the tainted membership. Every voter quickly learned that the system is corrupt and a joke. Our basic freedom does not exist, it is only rehtoric..words that can be altered in the blink of an eye. I will never vote for Obama,,,he is vile and a racist, and I will campaign vigorously for Senator McCain. But I understand that the DNC could care less, they just crushed they will of over 600,000 voters, what's one more vote when you have dennegrated freedom and democracy!

Christian   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

Hillary supporters have now gone beyond bonkers.

The idea that this wasnt fair is beyond ridiculous.

The RULES were that no delegates would be seated and Hillary agreed to this and signed off on it. Does her word or her signature mean anything? Obviously not, and with each post the Hillary supporters' lies grow larger.

This is ridiculous, BY THE RULES HILLARY AGREED TO, THERE SHOULD BE NO DELEGATES SEATED IN FL AND MI. THIS WAS A COMPROMISE TO TRY AND SHUT THE SORE LOSERS UP.

barb, seattle WA   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

What a bunch on whining brats…………they aren't ready to run this country…………hope they keep it up for all to see and spend their war chest in the process………..what a nasty crowd

Kathy   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

I agree with Josh, Obama made a choice to take his name off. Kind of sounds like he did it just for this reason.

Henry Haider   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

Now that Mi and Fl have been settled by the DNC, I strongly suggest that Harold Ickes and Hilary Clinton should form a panel with their supporters and vote for the general election during the Month of October 2008 and make the same hue and cry that all votes should be counted. That will be another wild circus to watch. With economygoing downhill, housing crisis and gas prices we need a lot of diversation. Hillary can give us those diversions.

cph9680   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

Hey! Now all the Clinton supporters can shut up and start supporting Obama

Heather   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

In response to the ridiculous comment posted - Obama, and ALL the other nominees (Edwards, Biden, Richardson) AGREED WITH THE DNC to remove their names from the ballot because Michigan broke party rules. It would be completely inequitable to do this any other way. There's no way she can pull this off, with or without MI and FL, so let's move on. If you want to be hateful and rude because of a fair decision, that's your choice, but we have an election to win. Personally, I don't think it's fair to give her the lead in delegates. There is no way of knowing how the primary would've actually ended, but the decision was made and we must move forward.

Ben   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

Josh - that's entirely ridiculous. Obama "conveniently" did not put his name on the ballot? He didn't put his name on the ballot because BOTH he AND Hillary agreed to the rules put forward by the DNC. Hillary has only changed her tune as a last-ditch effort to salvage a losing campaign.

Ickes and Clinton are upset that, in addition to the votes apportioned for "Uncommitted", Obama was given FOUR more delegates that would otherwise have gone to Clinton, to reflect the fact that, had Obama been on the ballot, and had Michigan not broken the primary rules, more Obama supporters would likely have voted.

So explain to me — why would it make sense to appeal this decision to the full Credentials Committee, and hold this process over until the convention, over a measly FOUR delegates, when Clinton is over 200 delegates behind? Is it seriously worth it if it results in a President McCain?

I voted for Hillary when she ran for Senator in New York, but I have lost all respect for her. She has shown herself to be petty, power-hungry, and determined to knock down anyone who gets in her way through whatever means necessary and regardless of the consequences. Rather than accepting defeat gracefully and working to unite the party, she is destroying us from the inside out. If McCain wins in November, I place the blame squarely at Clinton's feet.

GOD BLESS OBAMA   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

EVERYTIME THE cLinton camp wants to move the goal post why?

commonsense   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

Who says cheaters never when. This is such a bad example to set for our children. How do you tell a child not to do something or they will be punished and then not punish them. You are teaching them your word does not mean anything. You cant play basketball because you are failing. Oh wait it is the championship and we need you so you can play half the game (to help us get ahead) but then you have to sit back on the bench( we might need to use you again). Shame on the party. We are starting to look like clowns…

chris nguyen   June 1st, 2008 12:11 am ET

let us show how democratic way work in august ..all pledge and supper delegates will have to vote for whoever best to elected in Nov.. and certainly Clinton is the one.. not that radical ill judgement obama.. for sure

Kate   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

Wow. I never thought I would vote independently, if Hillary runs that way, or for a republican. thanks DNC for giving the election back to the Republicans next year. Untried, untested, unknown, unamerican…..what did it take to convince anyone that Senator Obama can't win in the general election? Bias, sexist, CNN, you and MSNBC have disappointed me so much this year. Where is unbiased reporting? Gone by the way of fear. Fear NOT to elect a black man? Fear TO elect a woman? Which is it?

The Voice of Reason   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

They ought to have held a revote and awarded the pledged delegates in full (or in half, either way..) while giving them no pledged delegates.

This decision is a very good one as of this point in time because no decision will make everyone happy anyway, but God, Michigan and Florida deserved zero. ZERO. At least now they'll technically have a say so they won't be whining in November and McCain stays out of office.

The DNC ought to schedule the primaries and caucuses for each state, with smaller states out front, 10 every tuesday for 5 weeks and that can be the end of it.

Isn't life easy if you do that?

Just saying.

Ben   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

At least it wasn’t left unresolved, and now there’s finality with Michigan and Florida. I was disappointed by the Clinton supporters at the meeting and how disrespectful they were to the Democratic National Committee members with all their interruptions. As a democrat, I’m saddened by the fact that if Clinton can’t win she’s willing to drag down the Democratic Party with her. A true democrat would put the party first.

Lee   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

To : supporters of Sen Clinton who disagree with the decision to grant Sen Obama some of the Michigan delegates.
As I understand it, you feel that his receiving any votes from that state is unfair because he removed his name from the ballot so no votes were (provably) cast for him. That is according to the rules of an election. However, if you take the position of "following rules" to its logical conclusion, it is unfair for ANYONE to receive votes from either FL or MI because they were stripped of their candidates. (Old news, by now.) The time to protest that decision to strip the states of their candidates was when the decision was made and before anyone signed the agreement to uphold that rule.
I still have not decided which candidate will earn my vote in November, but I am losing my admiration for Sen Clinton over her behavior on this issue.

rules are rules   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

hillary clinton is in this not for the people- but for herself…more clinton lies….otherwise the compromise reached today would be sufficient…more clinton deceit..

obama biden '08

Andy   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

We will never know the accurate reflections of the "judgement" of Michigan and Florida voters despite the moanings, whining, and protestations of Harold Ickes. Although I hate to see a vote "not counted", changing the rules after the fact does not, despite Clintons claims, accurately represent the will of the voter. Obama did not campaign there due to the rules and with his name not on the ballot did not have exert the influence on the contest he could have. We should not reward those states for breaking rules. The solution, while not ideal, was the most fair of those proposed.

At some point Hillary must set aside her self interests for the good of the party. She is starting to sound like Bush in 2000. She has lost. Move on.

Michael   June 1st, 2008 12:10 am ET

Take it to the convention Hillary. We've got your back. You are our only hope for winning in November, too much is at stake. Sandra Day O'Conner is gone and John Paul Stevens is nearly 90 years old. Affirmative action and a woman's right to choose hangs in the balance when some are only interested in electing a black president who can't win.

Rob   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Justice is finally served, lets move on and take the white house

Obama 2008

Stacey   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Obama removed his name from Michigan in deference to the DNC's decision that Michigan and Florida would not be counted due to THEIR rule breaking.

Why should he be punished because he followed the rules and respected his party's decision?

I think this decision MORE than fair to Mrs. Clinton. Considering she :
1. agreed that Michigan votes would not count. AT ALL.
2. has been quoted and is on record as stating that "everyone knows Michigan votes will not count." as reason for NOT removing her name from the ballot.

I am neither an Obama or a Clinton supporter. I find this entire situation untenable. Mrs. Clinton was for the war before she was against it, and was for the DNC rules stripping Michigan of it's delegates before she was against it.

Anonymous   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

As a Michigan voter, I must say that the primary Clinton supposedly one was not a fair election, and to claim so is disingenuous. This is a fair decision for the people of Michigan, including those who did not vote because they had no choice.

The Disagreer   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

those who are the "deciders" are setting a dangerous precedent on this issue. the decision was made to penalize those states that held early primaries. therefore, that decision should be enforced. the danger is that other states, in the future, may decide to hold early primaries, knowing that their delegates would still get seated n some capacity. political leaders may feel that the risk in holding those primaries would be worth it, realizing that the "penalty' to be received would be whatever is metered to FL and Mi.

Cindy   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

I agree with Josh. I too am Clinton supporter and fair is fair. The DNC is being biased in favor of Obama. Its time that Clinton gets what rightfully is hers. She has earned the Votes. How qiuckly people forget the last two elections and it was said ALL THE VOTES NEEDED TO BE COUNTED. Where is this any different.
Go Hillary !!!!!!

hugo   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

I think we need the UN to send election observers. The DNC is being run like a banana republic. I donated more $$ to Clinton so she can take it to the credentials committee. Donna Brazille should be fired from CNN because she supports a political candidate. she should resign from the DNC because she failed to do her job. Howard Dean should be sued for malpractice. Had they done their jobs, this should never have reached the crisis stage. In the real world they would both be fired. Hillary keep running. The DNC's annointed one is going to self-destruct.

Andy   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

We will never know the accurate reflections of the "judgement" of Michigan and Florida voters despite the moanings, whining, and protestations of Harold Ickes. Although I hate to see a vote "not counted", changing the rules after the fact does not, despite Clintons claims, accurately represent the will of the voter. Obama did not campaign there due to the rules and with his name not on the ballot did not have exert the influence on the contest he could have. We should not reward those states for breaking rules. The solution, while not ideal, was the most of those proposed.

At some point Hillary must set aside her self interests for the good of the party. She is starting to sound like Bush in 2000. She has lost. Move on.

Trish   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Josh, give me a break. "Obama 'conveniently' did not put his name on the ballot"? Considering the fact that he would have *won* had Michigan played by the rules, I find it decidedly 'inconvenient' that Hillary broke the rules and left her name on the ballot, when EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE (Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson) took theirs off in deference to the rules. Rules, by the way, that were written in large part by none other than Harold Ickes — Hillary's campaign manager — and agreed to LAST YEAR by all the candidates. Hillary herself had no problem with those rules until she was losing.

I'm tired of politicians who don't take responsibility for their own mistakes. Hillary simply did not run the best campaign. Period. And no amount of sink-throwing, whining, or trying to move the goalposts is going to change that.

Alex   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Even though that I am an Obama supporter, I agree somewhat with Josh (see the first comment under this thread). This system of Delegates and Superdelagetes, as well as the electoral college undermines the ideals of the democratic process. There should only be the popular vote, and that's it. Every American deserves an equal and even voice on who leads their country.

Hector from Los Angeles   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Clinton knew that this would happen and she also knows that her supporters don't fully understand the rules, or even care. Knowing that, she deliberately stoked the flames of injustice and sexist resentment. Now she's splitting the party apart and causing a rift that will only lead to 4 more years of Bush policies.

Hillary supporters, wake up!! She wants you to be angry, she wants you to not support Obama so that the dems lose the race in November. She wants to be able to say "I told you so".

This is not about Hillary, or Obama. This is about our country!! Vote for Obama. Lets move past the self serving tactics and bloated egos. Lets move on and look toward November. Lets unite behind Obama!!

Obama '08!!!!

Cody   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

grow up and get over it…..The beginning of the end for Clinton

Coop   June 1st, 2008 12:09 am ET

Get over it Josh hillary is done, and didnt she agree that Fla and Michigan should be penalized? Oh, that was before she realized that Obama was likely to win the nomination. Clinton supporters are as crazy as she is, lets move on and get the republicans out of the white house. I am sure you are tired of high gas, and food prices. Unless of curse you are one of her dumb supporters that said they would vote for mcain if she loses the nomination. Then all of you idiots will be crying if mcain gets in and messes up the economy even more. Hillary is a loser, get over it and support obama, or pay the price, literally.

oneway   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

Josh get over it

Anonymous   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

It's a sad world we live in when the idiots who whine the loudest get their way.

Michael   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

It is done, now can we come together as a party, rally behind the nominee and win the White House. I hope and pray Hillary Clinton will see that fighting this all the way to the convention will do nothing but further divide the party and hand John McCain the White House. We as Democrats must learn from this, try to make it better so we don't go thru this in four years, unite and put a democrat in the White House. Let us stop with the personal attacks on the candidates, focus on the issues between the Democrats and Republicans and put a Democrat in the White House.

I will agree this was not a perfect solution but we live in an imperfect world so it is unrealistic to expect a perfect solution. I am not for Clinton or Obama, I am for a Democrat, this is about us as a party not Clinton or Obama. Voting for McCain simply out of anger does not solve any problems, it only proves to the Republicans right in that we cannot come together for a common cause as a party. I ask all posters to this blog to stand with me when I say, let us now unite behind whoever the nominee will be and win the White House. Let us not descend into feelings of anger, division and retaliation, let us rise up, say with pride that we are Democrats and win the White House in November.

I pray for unity, I pray for cooler heads to prevail and I pray we can win the White House in November and put either Clinton or Obama in the White House. Anything less and we prove the Republicans right about our party and that is we are divisive and cannot rally behind a common cause. NOTE: I posted this once but CNN saw fit to take it off, if they take it off again I will know all they want is negative comments.

allen Sutton   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

Its called a compromise josh…something you do in politics, considering that the states broke the rules and the Obama campaign who had the votes to inflict their will still conceded delegates in Hillary's favor, should tell you something about yourself. You don't like senator Obama and were not gonna vote for him anyway. Your outrage is targeted at the wrong person, considering HRC and most of her senior staff signed off on the agreement that they would get no votes. I think the DNC was more than fair.
A rational person would think so…but clearly you are not rational, you only care about your candidate, not your party.

Carmen-Palmdale, CA   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

The American People, This Country all want the same things. It is time to get over the silly bickering and get on with the Bigger Picture. It's time for the American People to unite and vote for a better tomorrow for us and all our grandchildren. This election is just too important to get stuck in the mud with people who keep wanting to look back and rehash everything. We have serious problems to solve. Let's ALL UNITE. . .onward to the General Election with Unity!

sam   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

who cares, she has lost.

Jason S Nichols   June 1st, 2008 12:08 am ET

Don't blame Obama or the DNC for the actions of the Republican controlled state gov't of FL. They have a history of disenfranchising FL democrats and they succeeded again. In an effort to be fair to FL and MI voters the DNC had to make sure they didn't disenfranchise the other 48 states and territories that voted within the rules. To say that you will vote for a Republican, when it is Republicans that disenfranchised you in the first place is downright stupid. If you don't want to vote for Obama that is your right, but at least vote for an independant.

toli   June 1st, 2008 12:07 am ET

he didnt put his name on the ballot because he knew he was going to loose. he knew exactly what he was doing.

dnc this is a travesty. you better put HIllary on top of the ticket or im voting independent or republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was sick in 2000 and 2004………………… here we go again in 2008.

Erin   June 1st, 2008 12:07 am ET

And Josh.. exactly WHO do you think the 40% who voted "Undeclared" were voting for? 40% of Michigan came out and specifically voted AGAINST Hillary Clinton, yet she should be awarded all of the delegates for the state? The goal of this is to represent what Michigan voted, not to get your candidate extra votes that she didn't earn so she can steal this election. She knew when this primary happend that it wasn't going to count. She's lucky she got the 1/2 that she did get.