Comments on: Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Debra http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175706 Debra Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:52:27 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175706 I believe considering all, that the DNC delt with this imperative matter in a diplomatic way. There is no reason whatsoever that the Clinton's should get all the delegates. They agreed that these votes would not count as well as agreed not to campaign in either state. You can not change the rules when you see that your not winning. Hillary did not do well in planning this campaign from the very beginning and neither did her campaign managers. Her mistake was not planning past super tuesday and it was down hill from there. This blaming Obama for every bad decision her and her campaign has made is pain crazy. Did anyone in their right mind think that she would get all the delegates in fl or mi, when all people did not vote in either state because of what they were told. Most people do follow the rules and then there are those that follow as long as it is in their favor. Which bring to question her integrity, honoring her word. What we witnessed in this and many of her other flaws [lieing] is what has hurt Hillary. Her word is not at all solid. If you see this now, what will happen once she's in the white house. All the promises she has made during her compaign will be aborted once she's in. Then the people will get it. How you start out is how you must end. I don't believe we have heard the last of the Clinton's. Knowing them as I have come to learn, they never leave on a graceful or poistive exit. I was a supporter of Clinton at first but when I seen the constant lies and dirty politics , I could not support any longer. It's one thing to be strong when your right but you can't stand strong when you know your wrong. You will fall hard from grace at that point. There is a new movement we are seeing here and now. God is doing a new thing here and what we once new to be the norm is no longer normal. Although, I pray that the woman that say they won't support Barack will change their view, if they choose not to, it's ok because God has already selected those that he chose to elect Sen. Obama to be the next Commander-In-Chief. It may not be in the states that we normally expect it to happen. We become so complacent with the way things are alway's done, that when we see a change we see it as strange and begin to fight it only to find in the end, it was the best thing that could have happened. What we need so desperately now is to unite this party and continue to progress toward the white house. United we stand and devided we fall. the rep. are hoping that we will continue to fight against one another because that a almost sure win for them. Democrats we must stand together , we are the only one's that can cause us to lose this election. God Bless America I believe considering all, that the DNC delt with this imperative matter in a diplomatic way. There is no reason whatsoever that the Clinton's should get all the delegates. They agreed that these votes would not count as well as agreed not to campaign in either state. You can not change the rules when you see that your not winning. Hillary did not do well in planning this campaign from the very beginning and neither did her campaign managers. Her mistake was not planning past super tuesday and it was down hill from there. This blaming Obama for every bad decision her and her campaign has made is pain crazy.
Did anyone in their right mind think that she would get all the delegates in fl or mi, when all people did not vote in either state because of what they were told. Most people do follow the rules and then there are those that follow as long as it is in their favor. Which bring to question her integrity, honoring her word. What we witnessed in this and many of her other flaws [lieing] is what has hurt Hillary. Her word is not at all solid. If you see this now, what will happen once she's in the white house. All the promises she has made during her compaign will be aborted once she's in. Then the people will get it. How you start out is how you must end. I don't believe we have heard the last of the Clinton's. Knowing them as I have come to learn, they never leave on a graceful or poistive exit. I was a supporter of Clinton at first but when I seen the constant lies and dirty politics , I could not support any longer. It's one thing to be strong when your right but you can't stand strong when you know your wrong. You will fall hard from grace at that point. There is a new movement we are seeing here and now. God is doing a new thing here and what we once new to be the norm is no longer normal. Although, I pray that the woman that say they won't support Barack will change their view, if they choose not to, it's ok because God has already selected those that he chose to elect Sen. Obama to be the next Commander-In-Chief. It may not be in the states that we normally expect it to happen. We become so complacent with the way things are alway's done, that when we see a change we see it as strange and begin to fight it only to find in the end, it was the best thing that could have happened. What we need so desperately now is to unite this party and continue to progress toward the white house. United we stand and devided we fall. the rep. are hoping that we will continue to fight against one another because that a almost sure win for them. Democrats we must stand
together , we are the only one's that can cause us to lose this election.

God Bless America

]]> By: A weary independent voter http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175639 A weary independent voter Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:39:39 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175639 So many things are wrong with your commentary Josh. Hillary ran Unopposed and still a significant percentage of the voters chose "Other" over her. MI voters were informed that their primary did Not count. How many stayed home Josh? Nobody knows for certain. That's why the rules committee had to come up with a remedy. That is why Hillary's "win" in Michigan is a farce. She like any tinpot dictator can claim a victory when running unopposed. But claiming all the votes and the delegates is utterly ludicrous. Obama "conveniently" chose to remove his name from the ballot?! Hogwash. He followed the rules and did what the DNC had ordered. There was no subterfuge on his part. Hillary on the other hand... The DNC, if I'm correct, followed the remedy that the Michigan Democratic Party offered. So hate away. Live in "Hillaryland" where excuse, complaint, and blaming everyone else for a poorly run (deeply in debt) campaign. Your carnival ride will be over by Tuesday. The majority of independent voters prefer Obama, and can't wait for Hillary to go away. We have a criminal presidency, a tanking economy, a war to end and a Republican to defeat. Put the knives down and get started. So many things are wrong with your commentary Josh.

Hillary ran Unopposed and still a significant percentage of the voters chose "Other" over her.

MI voters were informed that their primary did Not count. How many stayed home Josh? Nobody knows for certain. That's why the rules committee had to come up with a remedy.

That is why Hillary's "win" in Michigan is a farce. She like any tinpot dictator can claim a victory when running unopposed. But claiming all the votes and the delegates is utterly ludicrous.

Obama "conveniently" chose to remove his name from the ballot?! Hogwash. He followed the rules and did what the DNC had ordered.
There was no subterfuge on his part. Hillary on the other hand...

The DNC, if I'm correct, followed the remedy that the Michigan Democratic Party offered.

So hate away. Live in "Hillaryland" where excuse, complaint, and blaming everyone else for a poorly run (deeply in debt) campaign. Your carnival ride will be over by Tuesday.

The majority of independent voters prefer Obama, and can't wait for Hillary to go away. We have a criminal presidency, a tanking economy, a war to end and a Republican to defeat. Put the knives down and get started.

]]> By: KCJ, FLORIDA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175638 KCJ, FLORIDA Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:39:38 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175638 SHE SHOULD`NT EVEN GOTTEN WHAT THE RULES COMMITTEE AND THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN DECIDED TO GIVE HER IN THE END JUST TO SHUT HER UP,AND THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT THIS WHOLE EVENT IS THAT WE ALL ON THE OBAMA SIDE WILL JUST SIT BACK AND KEEP WATCHING THE CLINTON BACKERS B****H AND MOAN ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION.( LOSERS ) SHE SHOULD`NT EVEN GOTTEN WHAT THE RULES COMMITTEE AND THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN DECIDED TO GIVE HER IN THE END JUST TO SHUT HER UP,AND THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT THIS WHOLE EVENT IS THAT WE ALL ON THE OBAMA SIDE WILL JUST SIT BACK AND KEEP WATCHING THE CLINTON BACKERS B****H AND MOAN ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION.( LOSERS )

]]> By: David Newport, OR http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175636 David Newport, OR Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:37:11 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175636 Josh...it is a shame you feel that way. It is more than your state deserves. But hey...it was your state that decided to break the rules knowing full well the punishment and yet, now they cry foul. This compromise was reached in an attempt to pull the party together. Too bad it appears certain groups will never be happy. My suggestion...start blaming your state's democratic party for their choices, because it was their decision that put all of us in this situation. Frankly, it was their decision that in all likelihood will keep the Republican party in the white house this fall. Time to get over it and start working together. Josh...it is a shame you feel that way. It is more than your state deserves. But hey...it was your state that decided to break the rules knowing full well the punishment and yet, now they cry foul. This compromise was reached in an attempt to pull the party together. Too bad it appears certain groups will never be happy. My suggestion...start blaming your state's democratic party for their choices, because it was their decision that put all of us in this situation. Frankly, it was their decision that in all likelihood will keep the Republican party in the white house this fall. Time to get over it and start working together.

]]> By: Tom http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175635 Tom Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:35:50 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175635 Josh why would you consider penalizing Obama for following the rules in Michigan? Just curious because your comment seems immature... good to see a resolution and Clinton getting the edge. But time to move on and support Mr. Obama in his campaign against McCain. This is an important election and we can't afford a president that would continue the horrible policies of George Bush. Time to reach out to the older, white blue collar demographics such as myself to unite the Democratic party and help Barack Obama protect the American Dream. Josh why would you consider penalizing Obama for following the rules in Michigan? Just curious because your comment seems immature... good to see a resolution and Clinton getting the edge. But time to move on and support Mr. Obama in his campaign against McCain. This is an important election and we can't afford a president that would continue the horrible policies of George Bush. Time to reach out to the older, white blue collar demographics such as myself to unite the Democratic party and help Barack Obama protect the American Dream.

]]> By: henry http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175634 henry Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:34:55 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175634 It is very obvious that the party elders at the DNC is pushing and pressuring the still uncommitted superdelegates to vote and endorse Obama ASAP & they want Obama to be the nominee even though base on the Electoral College format on the General Election, Clinton clearly had the magic number of 270 pts. to seal the Presidency. The DNC just officially committed a political suicide and just handed what should be a cakewalk for them and handed the victory to McCain and the GOP's. It is very obvious that the party elders at the DNC is pushing and pressuring the still uncommitted superdelegates to vote and endorse Obama ASAP & they want Obama to be the nominee even though base on the Electoral College format on the General Election, Clinton clearly had the magic number of 270 pts. to seal the Presidency. The DNC just officially committed a political suicide and just handed what should be a cakewalk for them and handed the victory to McCain and the GOP's.

]]> By: Wake Up People!!! http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175633 Wake Up People!!! Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:34:21 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175633 Rules were broken!!!! FL and MI had to pay a price. So goes Hillary's argument. Let her fight on to the convention if she must. All it will cost us Dems, ReganDems, and Independents is the White House. Unless we can break some more rules to get her the nomination. This is an end game and we should move on together as one! Obama/? I'm for it! Rules were broken!!!!

FL and MI had to pay a price.

So goes Hillary's argument.

Let her fight on to the convention if she must.

All it will cost us Dems, ReganDems, and Independents is the White House.

Unless we can break some more rules to get her the nomination.

This is an end game and we should move on together as one!

Obama/? I'm for it!

]]> By: Ras http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175631 Ras Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:33:33 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175631 You know, this just goes to show you how arrogant people can be. Florida and Michigan should have NONE of their votes counted, according to the rules ALL the Democratic candidates agreed to originally. Now some people are screaming, oh well, we're actually entitled to the votes, even though we couldn't get our act together and comply LIKE THE OTHER 48 STATES DID! But these are the values people want their children to learn I guess....do whatever and say whatever you think is fair to you, and cry if the rest of the world won't buy into it. And you wonder how we wound up with the mess we've had the past 8 years. You know, this just goes to show you how arrogant people can be. Florida and Michigan should have NONE of their votes counted, according to the rules ALL the Democratic candidates agreed to originally. Now some people are screaming, oh well, we're actually entitled to the votes, even though we couldn't get our act together and comply LIKE THE OTHER 48 STATES DID! But these are the values people want their children to learn I guess....do whatever and say whatever you think is fair to you, and cry if the rest of the world won't buy into it. And you wonder how we wound up with the mess we've had the past 8 years.

]]> By: Clay from alabama http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175630 Clay from alabama Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:33:24 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175630 Florida got penalized by the Dems the very same as they got penalized from the Reps with this new ruling, so all seems fair there. Plus all parties (FL, Obama Campaign, and Clinton Campaign) agreed to it even though Clinton's campaign would LIKE for full votes, they were ok with this way . If that is fair for FL than it is fair for MI. For 45% of the people to vote "any body but Clinton" is VERY telling, whether or not both Obama and Edwards both took their name off the ballot (and by the way could not get write in votes, due to MI rules and laws, with by some counts Obama got some 30K of those). So it seems very fair for Obama to get those uncommitted votes. Plus even if he didn't MI DNC recently voted for their "uncommitted" representatives. 90% of those have already declared that they would back Obama, so even if you gave those to "uncommitted" "uncommitted" IS Obama, it is the same outcome. Florida got penalized by the Dems the very same as they got penalized from the Reps with this new ruling, so all seems fair there. Plus all parties (FL, Obama Campaign, and Clinton Campaign) agreed to it even though Clinton's campaign would LIKE for full votes, they were ok with this way
.
If that is fair for FL than it is fair for MI. For 45% of the people to vote "any body but Clinton" is VERY telling, whether or not both Obama and Edwards both took their name off the ballot (and by the way could not get write in votes, due to MI rules and laws, with by some counts Obama got some 30K of those).

So it seems very fair for Obama to get those uncommitted votes. Plus even if he didn't MI DNC recently voted for their "uncommitted" representatives. 90% of those have already declared that they would back Obama, so even if you gave those to "uncommitted" "uncommitted" IS Obama, it is the same outcome.

]]> By: THE LONE RANGER http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175629 THE LONE RANGER Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:32:43 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175629 OBAMA PLAYED BY THE RULES. HILLARY AND HER PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO TURN THIS PRIMARY INTO A BANANA REPUBLIC ELECTION, WHERE ANYTHING GOES, AND RULES GET CHANGED ACCORDING TO THE FLOW OF THE GAME. HAROLD ICKES SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE A CRYBABY, AND SORE LOOSER, BY ACCUSING THE PROCESS OF THIEVERY AND OF HIJACKING. MEANWHILE, WACKO PRUNE FACE, HARRIET CHRISTIAN, CREATED QUITE A SIDE SHOW IN HER QUEST FOR HER 15 SECONDS OF INFAMY. OBAMA PLAYED BY THE RULES. HILLARY AND HER PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO TURN THIS PRIMARY INTO A BANANA REPUBLIC ELECTION, WHERE ANYTHING GOES, AND RULES GET CHANGED ACCORDING TO THE FLOW OF THE GAME.
HAROLD ICKES SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE A CRYBABY, AND SORE LOOSER, BY ACCUSING THE PROCESS OF THIEVERY AND OF HIJACKING. MEANWHILE, WACKO PRUNE FACE, HARRIET CHRISTIAN, CREATED QUITE A SIDE SHOW IN HER QUEST FOR HER 15 SECONDS OF INFAMY.

]]> By: JaneL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175628 JaneL Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:31:23 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175628 Josh, 45% of Michiganders didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. Why should she get all the votes? I'm not a supporter of Clinton's or Obama's (and no, I'm not for McCain; I am a Democrat) and I thought the rules committee should not have reconsidered their original decision to strip both states of their delegates. I dread the next election cycle, now that states believe they can leap-frog to the front of the line with impunity - I understand that the Michigan Dem Party leader isn't done and will push the credentials committee to restore the votes fully. As a voter in the biggest, most populous state, our primary was relatively early (March 5), but my two preferred candidates had dropped out by then, so, Josh, we've all gotten screwed. But to put this to bed, I'll live with this decision. How about it? Are you willing to compromise? Josh, 45% of Michiganders didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Why should she get all the votes?

I'm not a supporter of Clinton's or Obama's (and no, I'm not for McCain; I am a Democrat) and I thought the rules committee should not have reconsidered their original decision to strip both states of their delegates. I dread the next election cycle, now that states believe they can leap-frog to the front of the line with impunity – I understand that the Michigan Dem Party leader isn't done and will push the credentials committee to restore the votes fully.

As a voter in the biggest, most populous state, our primary was relatively early (March 5), but my two preferred candidates had dropped out by then, so, Josh, we've all gotten screwed.

But to put this to bed, I'll live with this decision. How about it? Are you willing to compromise?

]]> By: Malcolm-Alabama http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175627 Malcolm-Alabama Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:30:51 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175627 The DNC did the right thing and stuck to the rules. The votes in FL and MI as cast were invalid as the presidential nominees were not allowed to campaign - you can not have a free and fair democratic election with the nominees not being able to campaign in person for the votes of the people. Obama, Edwards, Richardson and others showed good faith in abiding by the rules of the DNC and petitioned to have their names removed in both MI and FL - they were successful only in MI because FL maintained the names of the candidates on the ballot against their wishes. Hillary Clinton pledged that she would abide by the DNC ruling that the move-up primary votes of MI and FL would not count. She decided to go against that pledge when it proved politically advantageous. The half-delegate count and Michigan compromise was fair and a significant number of Hillary Clinton supporters who made up the MAJORITY on the Rules and Bylaws committee supported it. The playoffs are coming to an end and we need to focus on November. On to the general election. The DNC did the right thing and stuck to the rules. The votes in FL and MI as cast were invalid as the presidential nominees were not allowed to campaign – you can not have a free and fair democratic election with the nominees not being able to campaign in person for the votes of the people. Obama, Edwards, Richardson and others showed good faith in abiding by the rules of the DNC and petitioned to have their names removed in both MI and FL – they were successful only in MI because FL maintained the names of the candidates on the ballot against their wishes. Hillary Clinton pledged that she would abide by the DNC ruling that the move-up primary votes of MI and FL would not count. She decided to go against that pledge when it proved politically advantageous. The half-delegate count and Michigan compromise was fair and a significant number of Hillary Clinton supporters who made up the MAJORITY on the Rules and Bylaws committee supported it. The playoffs are coming to an end and we need to focus on November.
On to the general election.

]]> By: PA_Voter http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175626 PA_Voter Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:30:18 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175626 Unfortunately, I believe Hillary needs to contest Michigan as it does not seem like the DNC is abiding to Michigan state law. For Hillary to be "given" less delegates than she earned in the Primary is ridiculous! Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot and therefore the "uncommitted" delegates should not be given to him. HILLARY, TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION. BO will go down by his own past actions; otherwise, Senator McCain by default will be our next President! Unfortunately, I believe Hillary needs to contest Michigan as it does not seem like the DNC is abiding to Michigan state law. For Hillary to be "given" less delegates than she earned in the Primary is ridiculous! Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot and therefore the "uncommitted" delegates should not be given to him.

HILLARY, TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION. BO will go down by his own past actions; otherwise, Senator McCain by default will be our next President!

]]> By: Sammy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175625 Sammy Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:30:06 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175625 Josh, I am one of those in Michigan who did not vote in the democratic primary because I was told it wouldn't count. I am also an Obama supporter. So what about my voice? To say that all the votes should count and they should all go to Clinton is not fair to me or any other Michigander who wanted our voices to go for those besides Clinton. Giving her all the delegates and Obama none would NOT be representative of the true desires of Michigan and is absurd. The allocation agreed upon is more fair than Clinton all, Obama none. Josh, I am one of those in Michigan who did not vote in the democratic primary because I was told it wouldn't count. I am also an Obama supporter. So what about my voice? To say that all the votes should count and they should all go to Clinton is not fair to me or any other Michigander who wanted our voices to go for those besides Clinton. Giving her all the delegates and Obama none would NOT be representative of the true desires of Michigan and is absurd. The allocation agreed upon is more fair than Clinton all, Obama none.

]]> By: joel http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175624 joel Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:29:22 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175624 actually no. They are biased towards the rules. You obviously have no knowledge or regard or respect for the way this worked. Both of these states fought to have their elections early even after being warned of the consequences. Neither of them should have been allowed any leeway and the fact that they were and the fact that you are still not happy with that proves just what a closed minded, sad, win-at-all-cost Hillary supporter you are. The rules are the rules thankfully, so I either suggest you leave this country or wake up and smell the coffee. Curious what your take would be had Hillary been in Obama's position and Obama in her's? Anyway the way it all stands in this current reality is that FYI Hillary loses either way. actually no. They are biased towards the rules. You obviously have no knowledge or regard or respect for the way this worked. Both of these states fought to have their elections early even after being warned of the consequences. Neither of them should have been allowed any leeway and the fact that they were and the fact that you are still not happy with that proves just what a closed minded, sad, win-at-all-cost Hillary supporter you are. The rules are the rules thankfully, so I either suggest you leave this country or wake up and smell the coffee. Curious what your take would be had Hillary been in Obama's position and Obama in her's? Anyway the way it all stands in this current reality is that FYI Hillary loses either way.

]]> By: Heather http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175622 Heather Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:28:26 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175622 For those of you who didn't pay attention: 1. Clinton and Obama both signed off on the rules that didn't count those votes, because of the penalty ruling on the early primary. 2. Both candidates also signed pledges not to campaign there. 3. HILLARY BROKE THE RULES, then expected the votes to be treated normally. Then she manipulates the press and calls the voters "disenrfranchised". Guess what, folks? This will be essentially over in 72 hours. Clinton voters who take this to Denver severely endanger our chances of taking the White House. As L.A. sportscaster Chick Hearn used to say, the refrigerator door is closing, and the eggs are getting cold. Put on your big girl panties and DEAL WITH IT! For those of you who didn't pay attention:
1. Clinton and Obama both signed off on the rules that didn't count those votes, because of the penalty ruling on the early primary.
2. Both candidates also signed pledges not to campaign there.
3. HILLARY BROKE THE RULES, then expected the votes to be treated normally. Then she manipulates the press and calls the voters "disenrfranchised".

Guess what, folks? This will be essentially over in 72 hours. Clinton voters who take this to Denver severely endanger our chances of taking the White House.

As L.A. sportscaster Chick Hearn used to say, the refrigerator door is closing, and the eggs are getting cold. Put on your big girl panties and DEAL WITH IT!

]]> By: Stop Denver http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175621 Stop Denver Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:28:06 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175621 Of course you would not be happy. Its all or nothing for you Clinton supporters. I hope she does go to the credentials committee, just to hear no she cant have it her way. Look on the positive side, she is in Puerto Rico drumming up support (popular vote) argument so she can make her case when she wins that STATE, with the endorsement of SUPER DELEGATE Ricky Martin, who will be preforming at the DNC in Denver. The popular vote argument is garbage in a primary.. Reason the votes in the Caucuses are not counted. FACT. P.S when she looses Montana and South Dakota and the (Popular Vote) she will continue her destructive, broke self to the convention. Of course you would not be happy. Its all or nothing for you Clinton supporters. I hope she does go to the credentials committee, just to hear no she cant have it her way.

Look on the positive side, she is in Puerto Rico drumming up support (popular vote) argument so she can make her case when she wins that STATE, with the endorsement of SUPER DELEGATE Ricky Martin, who will be preforming at the DNC in Denver. The popular vote argument is garbage in a primary.. Reason the votes in the Caucuses are not counted. FACT.

P.S when she looses Montana and South Dakota and the (Popular Vote) she will continue her destructive, broke self to the convention.

]]> By: Finally - a smart move http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175620 Finally - a smart move Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:28:01 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175620 Hey Josh - HRC was the only on the ballot because she did not remove her name as instructed! Typical Clinton supporter, only knowing half hte story because she doesn't want to educate the voters. HRC is just as slick as her husband without only 3 more years experience than BO. As for me, I'd rather vote for the person that I can trust. Obama O8 Hey Josh –

HRC was the only on the ballot because she did not remove her name as instructed! Typical Clinton supporter, only knowing half hte story because she doesn't want to educate the voters.

HRC is just as slick as her husband without only 3 more years experience than BO. As for me, I'd rather vote for the person that I can trust.

Obama O8

]]> By: real dem http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175619 real dem Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:27:35 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175619 LOL, if you want to be like that Josh then go back to when Hillary and O'bama both agreed to not campaign in Both Florida and Michigan and noted that Michigan and Florida would not be counted because they broke the rules but now Hillary is being two-faced and changing her mind. Why would I want someone in office that does that. And anyway what do you say to the million voters in both Florida and Michigan that didn't vote because they knew that THERE OWN STATE BROKE THE RULES AND THERE DELEGATES WOULD NOT COUNT? FAIR IS FAIR. LOL, if you want to be like that Josh then go back to when Hillary and O'bama both agreed to not campaign in Both Florida and Michigan and noted that Michigan and Florida would not be counted because they broke the rules but now Hillary is being two-faced and changing her mind. Why would I want someone in office that does that. And anyway what do you say to the million voters in both Florida and Michigan that didn't vote because they knew that THERE OWN STATE BROKE THE RULES AND THERE DELEGATES WOULD NOT COUNT?

FAIR IS FAIR.

]]> By: Jenny J http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175618 Jenny J Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:27:33 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175618 The way the DNC Rules Committee voted is just about the way I saw it coming though not what I would have liked. Even so, this gives Hillary some breathing room. After the landslide in Puerto Rico on Monday, there will not be enough delegates left for Obama to pick up what he needs to nail down the nomination. Too bad, Berry. Now, on to the convention and, um... Barak, why don't you bring your friends Revs Wright and Phlugr along with you to Denver. They've done so much for your campaign. The way the DNC Rules Committee voted is just about the way I saw it coming though not what I would have liked. Even so, this gives Hillary some breathing room. After the landslide in Puerto Rico on Monday, there will not be enough delegates left for Obama to pick up what he needs to nail down the nomination. Too bad, Berry.

Now, on to the convention and, um... Barak, why don't you bring your friends Revs Wright and Phlugr along with you to Denver. They've done so much for your campaign.

]]> By: Dvon http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175617 Dvon Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:27:23 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175617 it wouldn't matter if they hillary clinton got the 73-55 amount of delegates, she still is going to lose. Clinton supporters just have to deal with that it wouldn't matter if they hillary clinton got the 73-55 amount of delegates, she still is going to lose. Clinton supporters just have to deal with that

]]> By: michael, Gladstone, MO http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175615 michael, Gladstone, MO Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:27:09 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175615 This is probably the most fair response by the DNC. I had the ability to watch mart of the RBC meeting today and it appeared that the delegate apportionment was submitted by the MICHIGAN Democratic party - not by Obama or by Clinton, or by the DNC. Does anyone really think that Obama would not have gotten any votes had his name not been removed from the ballot? This is the (new) definition of "is" by the Clinton campaign, and a "my way or the highway" attitude only highlights how the campaign has become focused on winning and not really caring about the votes being counted to enfranchise the voters. As to the half votes, that is more than fair in my view. Both states were found to have changed their primaries' dates against the rules of the party, and the party can make its own rules. Nothing in the Constitution addresses political parties. This punishes the state partty folk. Whether they were justified or not is bside the point. The state folk knew the risks, and all the candidates, including Senator Clinton, signed off on the original punishment. BTW, I am an Obama supporter, but I'm not so rabid that this will keep me from voting Clinton in November if by some chance she becomes the nominee. I don't intend to cut off my nose to spite my face. I know what four more years of Bush policies will mean - a weaker dollar, a continuation of no real strategy or definition of mission in Iraq, and the potential of aggression against Iran. This is probably the most fair response by the DNC. I had the ability to watch mart of the RBC meeting today and it appeared that the delegate apportionment was submitted by the MICHIGAN Democratic party – not by Obama or by Clinton, or by the DNC. Does anyone really think that Obama would not have gotten any votes had his name not been removed from the ballot? This is the (new) definition of "is" by the Clinton campaign, and a "my way or the highway" attitude only highlights how the campaign has become focused on winning and not really caring about the votes being counted to enfranchise the voters.

As to the half votes, that is more than fair in my view. Both states were found to have changed their primaries' dates against the rules of the party, and the party can make its own rules. Nothing in the Constitution addresses political parties. This punishes the state partty folk. Whether they were justified or not is bside the point. The state folk knew the risks, and all the candidates, including Senator Clinton, signed off on the original punishment.

BTW, I am an Obama supporter, but I'm not so rabid that this will keep me from voting Clinton in November if by some chance she becomes the nominee. I don't intend to cut off my nose to spite my face. I know what four more years of Bush policies will mean – a weaker dollar, a continuation of no real strategy or definition of mission in Iraq, and the potential of aggression against Iran.

]]> By: Anonymous http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175614 Anonymous Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:26:52 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175614 You realize Obama didn't put his name on the ballot in order to follow the rules set by the DNC, the same rules both he and Clinton were supporters of until Clinton started to lose? Can't really penalize someone for following the rules and reward someone else for breaking them. You realize Obama didn't put his name on the ballot in order to follow the rules set by the DNC, the same rules both he and Clinton were supporters of until Clinton started to lose? Can't really penalize someone for following the rules and reward someone else for breaking them.

]]> By: Betty http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175613 Betty Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:26:39 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175613 Too bad Josh uses the words hate. The " Monstor" THAT HE SUPPORTS, Hillary ,causes people to behave the way that they do. Hillary is not a person I would even allow my children to follow not even my "Dogs-animals" if they were allowed to vote. She is evil and you see what she is doing to the Democratic party . Hillary Clinton, She will do anything in order to become the nominee. She is truly a "MONSTER" AND THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HER ARE BLIND beyond recognition. Too bad Josh uses the words hate. The " Monstor" THAT HE SUPPORTS, Hillary ,causes people to behave the way that they do. Hillary is not a person I would even allow my children to follow not even my "Dogs-animals" if they were allowed to vote. She is evil and you see what she is doing to the Democratic party . Hillary Clinton, She will do anything in order to become the nominee. She is truly a "MONSTER" AND THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HER ARE BLIND beyond recognition.

]]> By: frank http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175612 frank Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:26:15 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175612 Josh, You are a deluded. Hillary publically agreed to remove her name from the ballot- a lie!!!! She deserved to get no delegates from Michigan. the compromise was generous to her. Face it, the Clinton dynasty is over, and not a moment too soon Josh,
You are a deluded. Hillary publically agreed to remove her name from the ballot- a lie!!!! She deserved to get no delegates from Michigan. the compromise was generous to her. Face it, the Clinton dynasty is over, and not a moment too soon

]]> By: Frank from VA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175611 Frank from VA Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:26:10 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175611 It's resolved. Lets move on and deal with John McCain. There is no way anyone could ever determine the will of the MI voters from what happened at the polls there. The people of Michigan never had a chance to express a preference between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama and the best outcome today would probably have been a 50/50 split. A few more delegates one way or the other won't affect anything. Let's put this behind us and focus on winning in Nov. It's resolved. Lets move on and deal with John McCain. There is no way anyone could ever determine the will of the MI voters from what happened at the polls there. The people of Michigan never had a chance to express a preference between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama and the best outcome today would probably have been a 50/50 split. A few more delegates one way or the other won't affect anything. Let's put this behind us and focus on winning in Nov.

]]> By: Blake http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175610 Blake Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:25:47 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175610 I just don't understand the logic of die hard Hillary supporters? What really makes these people think that the Michigan or Florida votes were fair? Everyone wants there candidate to win, but come on. Fair is fair! Trust me when 40% of a state votes uncommitted against a 55% vote for Hillary it doesn't indicate anything positive for Clinton to gain on. That means that 40% voted against her (any body but her). It's time that everyone start to wakeup to the facts and accept the results. You can't win them all, and you can't make up rules as you go! I just don't understand the logic of die hard Hillary supporters? What really makes these people think that the Michigan or Florida votes were fair? Everyone wants there candidate to win, but come on. Fair is fair! Trust me when 40% of a state votes uncommitted against a 55% vote for Hillary it doesn't indicate anything positive for Clinton to gain on. That means that 40% voted against her (any body but her). It's time that everyone start to wakeup to the facts and accept the results. You can't win them all, and you can't make up rules as you go!

]]> By: Beverly, Houston http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175609 Beverly, Houston Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:25:35 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175609 Josh, You obviously have not been keeping up with this. Floriada and Miichigan were being punished because they illegally moved up their primaries. Why are you blaming Barack?? Hillary did not give a darn about Florida and Michigan until she was losing. Josh,

You obviously have not been keeping up with this. Floriada and Miichigan were being punished because they illegally moved up their primaries. Why are you blaming Barack?? Hillary did not give a darn about Florida and Michigan until she was losing.

]]> By: Joiner in Texas http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175608 Joiner in Texas Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:25:32 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175608 I am an Obama supporter and not happy with this decision. Hillary should step down and get out of this race before the entire US votes for McCain. She is tearing the D-party and the voters apart with this continuing fighting to be the Queen of America. She does not give a hoot about the American People, The D-party or anything except herself. She is not fighting for change in American and how Washington DC runs the country, and if she is elected it would not be long before the people and delegates who votes for her will be kicking them self for ever believing in the pack of lies that she keep spitting out. I will vote for Obama, and if he is not on the ballet then I will vote for McCain. I am an Obama supporter and not happy with this decision. Hillary should step down and get out of this race before the entire US votes for McCain.

She is tearing the D-party and the voters apart with this continuing fighting to be the Queen of America. She does not give a hoot about the American People, The D-party or anything except herself. She is not fighting for change in American and how Washington DC runs the country, and if she is elected it would not be long before the people and delegates who votes for her will be kicking them self for ever believing in the pack of lies that she keep spitting out.

I will vote for Obama, and if he is not on the ballet then I will vote for McCain.

]]> By: Tonya http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175604 Tonya Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:25:12 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175604 I am so confused here. I am a white Female from Florida, and I too was raised by the quote "follow the rules". I'm not sure I understand why the DNC held a hearing today. Just last year everyone in that room today voted to penalize Florida and Michigan for breaking the rules. Hillary agreed upon these rules, an expressed no concern whatsoever, when she was ahead. Hell, she even stated on live Television that she didn't remove her name form the Michigan Ballots , beause, it didn't matter, the votes don't count! Did know one elsee see this, but me! Am I missing something here? This election has really helped me to open my eyes wide; there are a lot of ignorant people out there, and they don't even know it. You mean to tell me you can create a rule, agree on a rule, set a rule, and then change it to accomodate someone, some situation etc. This is absolutely ridiculous! You all need to truly open up your eyes and stop this nonsense. Hillary has no one to blame for this situation but herself! She ran a poor campaign from the start. I am not surprised by the fact that her campaign is 31 million dollars in debt. She has none of the qualities of a good Leader. She ran a negative campaign, and spent too much time trying to elaborate and research dirt on her opponent instead of showing America that she is trustworthy and capable of being the next President. She used poor judgement when selecting her campaign staff; therefore, she had to hire, fire, and rehire and she still doesn't have it right, and now to make matters worst, she is a sore loser. Hillary allowed America to see the true Hillary and I don't like it. Hillary and Bill Clinton have more tricks up there sleeves than any of her supporters care to see. They have received millions of dollars from questionable Countries, Bill has pardoned people who should still be behind bar, and they thought they had Washington DC wrapped around there fingers, but, I'm glad the Superdelegates have opened there eyes, and are also tired of the games played in DC. Enough is enough. a change is definitely needed! I am so confused here. I am a white Female from Florida, and I too was raised by the quote "follow the rules". I'm not sure I understand why the DNC held a hearing today. Just last year everyone in that room today voted to penalize Florida and Michigan for breaking the rules. Hillary agreed upon these rules, an expressed no concern whatsoever, when she was ahead. Hell, she even stated on live Television that she didn't remove her name form the Michigan Ballots , beause, it didn't matter, the votes don't count! Did know one elsee see this, but me! Am I missing something here? This election has really helped me to open my eyes wide; there are a lot of ignorant people out there, and they don't even know it. You mean to tell me you can create a rule, agree on a rule, set a rule, and then change it to accomodate someone, some situation etc. This is absolutely ridiculous! You all need to truly open up your eyes and stop this nonsense. Hillary has no one to blame for this situation but herself! She ran a poor campaign from the start. I am not surprised by the fact that her campaign is 31 million dollars in debt. She has none of the qualities of a good Leader. She ran a negative campaign, and spent too much time trying to elaborate and research dirt on her opponent instead of showing America that she is trustworthy and capable of being the next President. She used poor judgement when selecting her campaign staff; therefore, she had to hire, fire, and rehire and she still doesn't have it right, and now to make matters worst, she is a sore loser. Hillary allowed America to see the true Hillary and I don't like it. Hillary and Bill Clinton have more tricks up there sleeves than any of her supporters care to see. They have received millions of dollars from questionable Countries, Bill has pardoned people who should still be behind bar, and they thought they had Washington DC wrapped around there fingers, but, I'm glad the Superdelegates have opened there eyes, and are also tired of the games played in DC. Enough is enough. a change is definitely needed!

]]> By: Ralph Benno http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175603 Ralph Benno Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:25:02 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175603 democracy with half vote..? Is DNC "GOD" on earth.. Funny... what happenned to our found father ideology WE THE PEOPLE,, one person one vote.. There are no penalties or rules in that. It should have been all or none.. Either way the DNC lost FLorida in general election..They have alienated FLorida Let the DNC stew in thei election of OBAMA..a losing candidate. A SHAME to the proess I am a demcrat..Now I will switch to Republican.. .unless Hillary runs independent democracy with half vote..? Is DNC "GOD" on earth..

Funny... what happenned to our found father ideology
WE THE PEOPLE,, one person one vote..

There are no penalties or rules in that.

It should have been all or none.. Either way the DNC lost FLorida in general election..They have alienated FLorida
Let the DNC stew in thei election of OBAMA..a losing candidate.

A SHAME to the proess

I am a demcrat..Now I will switch to Republican.. .unless Hillary runs independent

]]> By: T. W. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175601 T. W. Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:24:52 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175601 Since this was the Michigan Democratic party solution, Josh should attack the Michigan Democratic party...but of course not be angry at the Michigan governor (a Clinton supporter) who signed off on the move of the primary in violation of the National party rules, fully knowing that would mean disqualification.... and of course not be angry at Clinton who agreed that the primary would not count....and then suddenly whipped up naieve supporters after realizing that she was way behind in delegates and popular vote and needed to resusicate the disqualified states to get bargaining chips for VP or to try yet another spinned rationale to get the superdelegates to overrule the choice of delegates awarded by primaries. Since this was the Michigan Democratic party solution, Josh should attack the Michigan Democratic party...but of course not be angry at the Michigan governor (a Clinton supporter) who signed off on the move of the primary in violation of the National party rules, fully knowing that would mean disqualification.... and of course not be angry at Clinton who
agreed that the primary would not count....and then suddenly whipped up naieve supporters after realizing that she was way behind in delegates and popular vote and needed to resusicate the disqualified states to get bargaining chips for VP or to try yet another spinned rationale to get the superdelegates to overrule the choice of delegates awarded by primaries.

]]> By: Becky http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175600 Becky Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:24:41 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175600 I am so sick of Hillary I can just scream. First she says that Mich. and Fl broke the rules, and the rules are the rules. Now she gets a compromise, and it's still not good enough. Do we really want a wishy-washy president like her. She's just another Bush, It's her way or the highway. Oh yea, I'm a white middle aged woman. I am so sick of Hillary I can just scream. First she says that Mich. and Fl broke the rules, and the rules are the rules. Now she gets a compromise, and it's still not good enough. Do we really want a wishy-washy president like her. She's just another Bush, It's her way or the highway. Oh yea, I'm a white middle aged woman.

]]> By: Ryan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175599 Ryan Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:24:07 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175599 Josh - you are aware that Hilary personally signed a legally binding document last fall that stated she was totally cool with Florida AND Michigan not counting right? She only started making a stink over this whole mess when she realized she was losing. Josh – you are aware that Hilary personally signed a legally binding document last fall that stated she was totally cool with Florida AND Michigan not counting right? She only started making a stink over this whole mess when she realized she was losing.

]]> By: Dwight http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175598 Dwight Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:23:59 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175598 looks pretty fair considering it could have been 100 % penalized. the committee did the best with what the two states put them in. so. time to unite. Democrats 08 looks pretty fair considering it could have been 100 % penalized.
the committee did the best with what the two states put them in.
so.

time to unite.

Democrats 08

]]> By: Dissed in CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175597 Dissed in CA Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:23:46 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175597 She was robbed. Watch as a democrat changes into an independent. Bye Bye DNC She was robbed. Watch as a democrat changes into an independent. Bye Bye DNC

]]> By: Veronica http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175596 Veronica Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:23:37 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175596 Although I want Hillary to win, I was appalled by what I witnessed at the DNC meeting today. Every participant in any competition understands that the rules agreed to at the beginning are the same rules that apply at the end. All this double talk and shading of the facts doesn't change anything. Although I want Hillary to win, I was appalled by what I witnessed at the DNC meeting today. Every participant in any competition understands that the rules agreed to at the beginning are the same rules that apply at the end.

All this double talk and shading of the facts doesn't change anything.

]]> By: Obama 08 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175595 Obama 08 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:23:30 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175595 Josh people like you are exactly the reason Hillary is behind in every count that matters. It is sad that the only thing your candidate has taught her voters is to hate. Truth is nobody is going to feel sorry for this grown woman who decided before this primary begin that she will win... because she is a Clinton....and just as you hate the DNC. I am sure that they will NOT ,miss a blink tonight as they sleep Josh people like you are exactly the reason Hillary is behind in every count that matters. It is sad that the only thing your candidate has taught her voters is to hate. Truth is nobody is going to feel sorry for this grown woman who decided before this primary begin that she will win... because she is a Clinton....and just as you hate the DNC. I am sure that they will NOT ,miss a blink tonight as they sleep

]]> By: Alex in MA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175594 Alex in MA Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:51 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175594 That primary was not legitimate and everyone knows it. I am glad that the Rules Committee were able to see through the nonsense and arrive at a fair decision. I have grown up believing that whats fair is fair and that everyone should play by the rules! I hope to raise my children to believe same and not to think that the end always justifies the means. That primary was not legitimate and everyone knows it. I am glad that the Rules Committee were able to see through the nonsense and arrive at a fair decision. I have grown up believing that whats fair is fair and that everyone should play by the rules! I hope to raise my children to believe same and not to think that the end always justifies the means.

]]> By: Donna, in Georgia http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175593 Donna, in Georgia Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:50 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175593 I believe it was the right thing to do. If the shoe was on the other foot, there is no way Hillary Clinton would have agreed to have all of the delegates seated. It's so obvious that Obama is a fair person and tries to do the right thing for his rival although she would have never done the same thing for him. Reverend Pfleger was right. She is a crying Clinton that thinks the world owes her and her husband something. I am a true democrat and I used to like them until she started whiningand lying about everything and he started bringing race into the picture. The meer fact that African Americans once said he was the first president is inconceivable to me. That's where ignorance comes into play. A white man could never know how it feels to be a black person because they are so used to having things go their way. I'm so sick and tired of women thinking that they have to vote for her because she will be the first woman as president. You should vote because of honesty and integrity. Obama has all of this and more. He's very intelligent and she can't stand the fact that a black man is beating a Clinton. Get over yourself Hillary and go crawl back into your hole with your red nose husband. Obama all the way. I believe it was the right thing to do. If the shoe was on the other foot, there is no way Hillary Clinton would have agreed to have all of the delegates seated. It's so obvious that Obama is a fair person and tries to do the right thing for his rival although she would have never done the same thing for him. Reverend Pfleger was right. She is a crying Clinton that thinks the world owes her and her husband something. I am a true democrat and I used to like them until she started whiningand lying about everything and he started bringing race into the picture. The meer fact that African Americans once said he was the first president is inconceivable to me. That's where ignorance comes into play. A white man could never know how it feels to be a black person because they are so used to having things go their way. I'm so sick and tired of women thinking that they have to vote for her because she will be the first woman as president. You should vote because of honesty and integrity. Obama has all of this and more. He's very intelligent and she can't stand the fact that a black man is beating a Clinton. Get over yourself Hillary and go crawl back into your hole with your red nose husband. Obama all the way.

]]> By: Andrew (Toronto, Ontario) http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175592 Andrew (Toronto, Ontario) Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:38 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175592 Josh, why are you so mad at Obama for removing his name from the Michigan ballot? He was told that Michigan broke the DNC rules by moving up their primary date and as result their votes would not count. The majority of you Hillary supporters are upset that Obama followed the rules and the DNC decided to compromise, even though they should have stood by their rules. What's the point of having rules when no one takes them seriously? I wonder what Hillary and her supporters would be saying if the roles were reversed!! I bet she'd be saying how important it is for the DNC to uphold their original ruling and how now would be a good time for her opponent to accept defeat. I use to admire Hillary Clinton, but I have lost all respect for her during the course of this campaign (especially after Bosnia). Her supporters remind me of the arrogant republicans that defend the Bush administration with irrational talking points. Josh, why are you so mad at Obama for removing his name from the Michigan ballot? He was told that Michigan broke the DNC rules by moving up their primary date and as result their votes would not count. The majority of you Hillary supporters are upset that Obama followed the rules and the DNC decided to compromise, even though they should have stood by their rules. What's the point of having rules when no one takes them seriously?

I wonder what Hillary and her supporters would be saying if the roles were reversed!! I bet she'd be saying how important it is for the DNC to uphold their original ruling and how now would be a good time for her opponent to accept defeat.

I use to admire Hillary Clinton, but I have lost all respect for her during the course of this campaign (especially after Bosnia). Her supporters remind me of the arrogant republicans that defend the Bush administration with irrational talking points.

]]> By: John Des Plaines IL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175591 John Des Plaines IL Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:36 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175591 Rules are rules period, end of sentence. Rules are rules period, end of sentence.

]]> By: yielee http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175590 yielee Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:29 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175590 It's a weightless solution. They were too careful not too alter the outcome. It's a weightless solution. They were too careful not too alter the outcome.

]]> By: Could careless http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175589 Could careless Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:26 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175589 Obviously Josh is not looking at ALL the facts and making extremely biased statements that will be ignored by everybody. Rules my friend...rules.. Obviously Josh is not looking at ALL the facts and making extremely biased statements that will be ignored by everybody.
Rules my friend...rules..

]]> By: Ada http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175588 Ada Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175588 Please can someone tell me whether T. J. Holmes is married. He is the man of my dreams. Please can someone tell me whether T. J. Holmes is married. He is the man of my dreams.

]]> By: Jeremy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175587 Jeremy Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:22:17 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175587 Yeah, I know I will be moderated out. I can live with it and if you even got a chuckle out of it while deleting my post it was well worth it. Yeah, I know I will be moderated out. I can live with it and if you even got a chuckle out of it while deleting my post it was well worth it.

]]> By: Montana Dem http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175586 Montana Dem Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:21:53 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175586 Hey Josh, Obama, like every other candidate except Clinton, took his name off the ballot after everyone agreed that Michigan broke the rules and would not count. You said he (Obama) "did not put his name on the ballot".That, Josh, is simply not true. This whole thing was nothing but a "dog and pony show" anyway. I'm going to relish in the concession speech from Clinton on Wednesday. Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE! Hey Josh,

Obama, like every other candidate except Clinton, took his name off the ballot after everyone agreed that Michigan broke the rules and would not count. You said he (Obama) "did not put his name on the ballot".That, Josh, is simply not true.

This whole thing was nothing but a "dog and pony show" anyway. I'm going to relish in the concession speech from Clinton on Wednesday. Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!

]]> By: Hillary 08 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175584 Hillary 08 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:21:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175584 Ohh shut up and stop whinning,am for Hillary but this is bigger than Hillary,its the future of our great nation at stake.I never honestly expected a decision that will go against Obama and may be,just may be hand over the nomination to Hillary.That would turn the party upside down.In the interest of party unity,lets move forward. Ohh shut up and stop whinning,am for Hillary but this is bigger than Hillary,its the future of our great nation at stake.I never honestly expected a decision that will go against Obama and may be,just may be hand over the nomination to Hillary.That would turn the party upside down.In the interest of party unity,lets move forward.

]]> By: Jan, Willow Grove, PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175583 Jan, Willow Grove, PA Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:21:21 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175583 Josh, Obama just followed the decision put forward by the Rules Committee of the Democratic Party. Maybe Mrs. Clinton should get ALL those votes while at the same time being THROWN OUT of the Democratic Party for IGNORING the Rules Committee? Jan Josh,

Obama just followed the decision put forward by the Rules Committee of the Democratic Party. Maybe Mrs. Clinton should get ALL those votes while at the same time being THROWN OUT of the Democratic Party for IGNORING the Rules Committee?

Jan

]]> By: Lawrence, a person of conscience http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/31/full-michigan-delegation-with-half-vote-to-be-seated-by-dems/#comment-1175582 Lawrence, a person of conscience Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:21:19 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=7459#comment-1175582 I knew the DNC had no balls to keep MI at zero delegates. I knew the DNC had no balls to keep MI at zero delegates.

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