May 31, 2008
Posted: 06:26 PM ET

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Sen. Obama campaigns in Rapid City, South Dakota, Saturday.
Sen. Obama campaigns in Rapid City, South Dakota, Saturday.

RAPID CITY, South Dakota (CNN) — Democrat Barack Obama accused Republican John McCain Saturday of not owning up to what Obama calls his "mistake" — saying that the U.S. has drawn troops down to pre-surge levels in Iraq.

"We all misspeak sometimes," the Illinois senator told a crowd in Rapid City, South Dakota. "I've done it myself. So on such a basic, factual error, you'd think that John McCain would just say 'Oh, I misspoke, I made a mistake' and then move on. But he couldn't do that. Instead, he dug in."

Obama connected McCain's Iraq comments to President Bush's unwillingness to admit fault "when he was presented with facts that went against his views" on the war.

"Just like George Bush, John McCain is refusing to admit that he's made a mistake," the White House hopeful continued. "And that's exactly the kind of leadership that has got us fighting for five years in a war that should've never been authorized."

"We don't need more leaders who can't admit they've made a mistake, even about something as fundamental as how many Americans are serving in harm's way."

The McCain camp fired back with a statement from spokesman Tucker Bounds.

"Barack Obama is ignoring facts," Bounds wrote. "He irresponsibly refuses credible evidence on the ground proving American troops have surged toward significant gains in Iraq and it proves he is just not ready to be commander in chief.

"For over 874 days, which includes the entirety of the 'Surge' strategy, Barack Obama has refused to visit Iraq, see the conditions on the ground, and meet with General Petraeus, and it raises questions about whether his campaign is based on conceding defeat in Iraq, no matter what progress our troops make there."

Filed under: Barack Obama • John McCain


Anonymous   May 31st, 2008 11:34 pm ET

I am a teacher in Lake county Florida, and I have been watching the dnc and as far as I can see we have been lied to and we did not vote in the county we didnt leave school to vote ,because they said voting for president did't count and the rules are the rules Only voting on the ammendments . Delegates are not to jump up and make this power play power and make those dicisions, for me and others lets abide by the rules period. It's not fare and for Senator Nelson to be voicing his objections to the dnc on the information he was given was not appealing to me. Senator Clinton would not be the lease concern nor Mr Clinton if Hilary was in the lead. She knew what the rules were , what about those that didn't vote at my school and other school in Lake .. I guess we are disinfragize too and we don't count.

Dianne Bourbonnais, IL   May 31st, 2008 11:32 pm ET

I've always admired John McCain. Barack Obama has inspired me. It's been my hope that these two men will put stupid politics aside and honestly debate the issues. The "straight talk express" and the "new politics". Come on, guys. You both strike me as two men who try to do things the right way instead of what is politically convenient. Don't get dirty. Get real.

Jimmy L. Heidelberg   May 31st, 2008 11:28 pm ET

Barack Obama is right on target when it comes to owning up to the
mistakes that the White made when it comes to going to War in Iraq
we never should have been there in the first place, and to lose that
many lives in a War that never should have been is a disgrace and
for John Mccain to pretend that its alright makes me even more
convinced that he is not the right man for the job if he becomes president we are in for more of the same disgraceful leadership that
we have now. I beleve in Obama I beleve he can get the job done
the right way and get back the respect that this country once had lets
move forward not spin our wheels going down the same dead end road that we are now.

Luis Villa   May 31st, 2008 11:25 pm ET

Yes, you are right on every aspect about John McCain, "Flip-Flop Brain". He will never accept his mistakes instead he will give his none sense rhetoric that all along he is right. You are no hero McCain. Obama will beat you to the nitty gritty of this Presidential election. OBAMA 08.

Maria   May 31st, 2008 11:22 pm ET

McCain's ignorance of the complex politics of this region is also reminiscent of George Bush. He obviously does not understand the multi-layered political system operating in Iran and thinks of Ahmadinejad as the sole source of political authority there, nor does he grasp the power relations in Iraq. To elect yet another President of 'Good' and 'Evil' is to condemn not only the United States but also the rest of the world to at least four more years of pain and misery.

jack shadenfruede   May 31st, 2008 11:21 pm ET

McSame McSame its not even being taken out of context,Pound him again and again.Troop surge drawn down, Don't let the McSame lackeys in the press change the subject.McSame can't carry Joe Lieberman around to whisper in his ear.

Tyler   May 31st, 2008 11:21 pm ET

He wont admit that he's wrong, he's probably forgot what he said already.

Gwen Pink   May 31st, 2008 11:20 pm ET

The response from McCain STILL doesn't even acknowledge the mistake, only changes the subject — and calls attention to the fact that despite visiting Iraq, McCain still doesn't know what's going on there. Gaffe after gaffe shows that. He doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, he doesn't know what the troop levels are, etc. By contrast, Obama's predictions and warnings about what would happen after an invasion of Iraq have proved exactly right. There is no debate as to which politician has a firmer grasp on the realities of the situation.

Becky Smith   May 31st, 2008 11:12 pm ET

Concede defeat to whom is my question???

Maya   May 31st, 2008 11:12 pm ET

THIS IS FUNNY, PHONY OBAMA WAS WRONG ON MANY MANY THINGS

VADemocrat   May 31st, 2008 11:11 pm ET

Has Obama ever met General Petraeus? If he's serious about being President, maybe he should at least meet with this man and get to know him, especially since he wants to be his boss in November.

Mary May King   May 31st, 2008 11:11 pm ET

Tucker, don't you understand? You are just reinforcing Barack's thesis that John does not listen to criticism. First there was the vets education and John said he would not listen to his criticism of your ideas, and now it's the number troops left from the surge and you won't listen to,not even acknowledge criticism. And that sounds a lot like "you know who." He's landed two blows and you don't even know he's in the ring. Oh, the swift boats are acoming, the swift boats are acoming, South Side Chicago style!

Brad   May 31st, 2008 11:11 pm ET

Obama probably has no clue as to how long it takes to redeploy a brigade combat team (BCT) from Iraq through Kuwait back to the U.S. This process takes at least several weeks. By the time the current BCTs that have already started (but not finished) redeploying are finished, it will be end of June or into July - right on schedule. McCain knows exactly what he's talking about. The only reason Obama (and sympathetic 'news' organizations) is hyping it as a major gaffe is because he doesn't want to bask in the harsh media spotlight of his own ignorance of what's really going on in Iraq. His decision to avoid talking to the troops and the commanders on the ground for the past two years, to see GEN Petraeus' successful surge in person, speaks volumes about his true concern for troops and credibility for any intelligent way to resolve this conflict. Many people (and the troops) notice the obvious hypocrisy and don't have any respect for Obama.

Kyle in San Diego   May 31st, 2008 11:10 pm ET

I'm sure Obama will make his way over to Iraq as soon as he has a reasonable opportunity. His campaign has been run very well and usually stays ahead of the game. Obviously he's been tied up in a little thing called "the democratic nomination," so traveling abroad and 'looking presidential' overseas has had to be put on the back-burner. Meanwhile, McCain has had that opportunity, and during his visits, made many misspoken statements. It raises significant questions when a person running for president cannot make the simple act of correcting his/her statement.

P.S. - Obama didn't need to go to Iraq/Afghanistan to have the good judgment to know that it was a bad idea to begin with. Let's not belittle the work of military advisors and act as if he MUST be in Iraq/Afghanistan to know what's going on, and to formulate opinions. Check the polls, the country agrees pretty solidly on what to do regarding the war, and we haven't been over there yet either.

E. C., Houston, Texas   May 31st, 2008 11:10 pm ET

Obama should admit that HE has been WRONG for TWENTY YEARS to sit and Listen to RACIST SERMONS in HIS church. And NOW….another old time FRIEND of TWENTY YEARS, rants and raves and MOCKS SENATOR CLINTON?
HOW DARE YOU, OBAMA, NOT DENOUNCE THIS MAN? INSTEAD, YOU JUST TUCK TAIL AND RESIGN FROM YOUR CHURCH? WHY NOT DENOUNCE BOTH MINISTERS? YOU'RE TOO WEAK IS THE REAL REASON.

Louis   May 31st, 2008 11:09 pm ET

Mccain will never admit he was wrong. He knows it all.

There goes his downfall.

Unstoppable Obama!

adam   May 31st, 2008 11:08 pm ET

WE DON'T NEED THE SAME BUSH WHO DOESN'T ADMIT THE WAR WAS WRONG, SO MCSAME ISN'T DOING TO ADMIT TO.

GO OBAMA08/12

Dr.G. P. Matthews   May 31st, 2008 11:06 pm ET

John McCain was in elementary school during WW II, what would expect from some that old…he is much too set in his world view to understand that in the modern world people admit mistakes or own up to their mental errors.

Dr.G. P. Matthews   May 31st, 2008 11:05 pm ET

John McCaine was in elementary school during WW II, what would expect from some that old…he is much too set in his world view to understand that in the modern world people admit mistakes or own up to their mental errors.

Wabigbear   May 31st, 2008 11:04 pm ET

Everytime the Republicans use that irritating "874 days since Barak Obama last visited Iraq" I just wish someone would come back with "4084 Dead Servicemen and Women dead in Iraq since Bush took us to war", or "$3,000,000,000 Spent on the War and counting…"

lou   May 31st, 2008 11:02 pm ET

Waaaa Waaaa Waaaa. Is this the look of the future? A crybaby in the White House when we need a real American leader? This guy should be running around in short pants sucking on a lollypop. What a waste of time he is.

one nation under god!!!!   May 31st, 2008 10:54 pm ET

Wow this is laughable,he is harping on this while because of Jimmy Carters anti-semitism we now have to strike irans nuke facilities.By reveling Israels nukes iran thinks its ok to build nuclear weapons.But no we will harp on how many troops ar in iraq.Not only is he naive he is ignorant.He is surrounded by idiots and is supported by idiots.Iran,Hamas and Hezbollah are the enemy you jerk-off not Bush and us republicans.If you want to treat us as the enemy expect the same in return.

davange, NC   May 31st, 2008 10:53 pm ET

We all knew that Sen. McCain's trip oversea's was just a polictical stunt to say they were there during the time of the so called surge. And now they are using that time against Sen. Obama to say he has not been over there since 2006 so that disqualifies him as Commander and Chief.
When Sen. Obama goes over there atleast he will know who is who without having Sen. Leberman to whisper in his ears the correct group infront of the cameras.

This kind of back and forth is so high school!! When will everyone grow up!

Tom   May 31st, 2008 10:53 pm ET

If McCain started admitting all of his gaffs and mistakes now, CNN would need to implement a new channel to cover them all.

dtown   May 31st, 2008 10:47 pm ET

Maybe Barack should worry more about admitting that he made a mistake in consistently playing the race card in this very important election, and dividing the Democrats, irreparably.
signed, a former Democrat

lol   May 31st, 2008 10:46 pm ET

obama is anti american. he'll meet with irans crazy president, chavez, castro, is supported by hamas, and can't visit american troops in iraq. can't wait for hillary to run as an independent. she will beat mccain, and obama. hillary clinton independent candidate 08!

Get Real   May 31st, 2008 10:45 pm ET

Here is a message to McInSane and his team. "Bomb Bomb Bomb" every country you don't like is not going to work in today's world. We need to resurrect our fragile economy and conserve our precious resources. Don't try to fool us in the guise of patriotism by using fancy words as "surge" and "winning at all cost". We all know that the puppet government of Iraq and most of the deployed troops hide inside the green zone while millions of civilians are butchered outside and have no access to even the basic amenities. Time to admit your mistake and bring our troops home.

Emily   May 31st, 2008 10:45 pm ET

Hey, come on. Let the comments through..

BTW. Doesn't Clinton look like she's the King of the World in those PR pictures from today.

Bill PA   May 31st, 2008 10:39 pm ET

Obama stop all the crying already.

No More McPain Again!   May 31st, 2008 10:37 pm ET

My Canadian point of view will probably be dismissed, but here goes.

It is a moot point whether the surge worked or didn't work …the POINT is that you never ever should have gone in to begin with. There are a great many American people dead because of it and a whole lot more..I mean a WHOLE lot more Iraqis…men, women and children, dead or mutilated because of it.

Shame on the US people for not minding the store. Electing Bush TWICE??? How much more apathetic can you get than that??

I see hope with Obama and I hope you do too…it will be at least a little "Redemption" for the people of the United States of America.

Hopefully they'll keep their eye on the ball from now on.

Gerry   May 31st, 2008 10:37 pm ET

Obama is allowing McCain to get off the hook, simply by amitting his mistake. It will beinteresting to see if McCain does that.

mo   May 31st, 2008 10:37 pm ET

ha, talk about admitting mistakes. Practice what you preach Obama, Oh I forgot You dont go to church anymore.
BTW I realize I'm the first comment, leave it to the dems to rally behind their guy instead of who's Wright (pun intended, not a misspeak)

John   May 31st, 2008 10:34 pm ET

So when are you going to meet the President of Canada Obama?

Cody in NC   May 31st, 2008 10:30 pm ET

but should the troops even be there is the question…

change??   May 31st, 2008 10:30 pm ET

So he finally resigned from the church huh? Most of us go to church to fill our spirit with love for God and mankind - I can't imagine that after listening to someone yell and scream white racist remarks for the last two to three decades that Obama has an easy task ahead of himself. The words seep into us and as some may slip out of our own mouths behind closed doors…still…relief can not be found…as scars harden our hearts…and what is left of a boy that could have been shaped in one way…was instead shaped to lead a nation…from a heart of deceit.

Pam   May 31st, 2008 10:30 pm ET

Like his counterpart, BUSH. He will NEVER admit he does anything wrong. He will continue to lie, distort the truth and make this all about a war that should have never taken place.

Hey, McCain, what about gas prices, food prices, home foreclosures, healthcare and our veterans.

BTW, we don't appreciate your lack of support for the GI bill. It became quite clear that you'll continue to send our troops into combat regardless of health, ethics, and shear lack of human regard.

Stan   May 31st, 2008 10:29 pm ET

Senator Obama - Say what you say and do what you say.

Senator McCain - Say what, say what I say and do what?

Natalia   May 31st, 2008 10:23 pm ET

STOP BEING A CRY BABY OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laurel   May 31st, 2008 10:23 pm ET

YES WE CAN! AND YES WE WILL! AND YES WE DID!

GO BARACK OBAMA, OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!

Terry in Fl   May 31st, 2008 10:23 pm ET

Nitpicking semantics. That's all Obama has. He's like the whiney little kindergarden kid raised with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Jonny5   May 31st, 2008 10:18 pm ET

I ABSOLUTLY AGREE WITH OBAMA! The united states cannot afford even another year of that kind of incompitance.

OBAMA 08′

Mike in Calgary   May 31st, 2008 10:10 pm ET

I'm shocked that every day, McCain is getting more and more llike George W. Bush. I would have expected more from John McCain.
When John McCain throws dirt, all he does is lose ground. He's certainly lost the moral high ground on the misguided War in Iraq.

Mike

SMART1   May 31st, 2008 10:09 pm ET

Mc SAME must have forgotten tha Barack has been trying to wi a nomination. He hasn't had the time on his hands that McSame has had, and nor does the troops want to have to take time out of fighting to protect an candidate that is only coming over for a political photo opt. McSame took up over 150 troops time and used thousands of US dollars to just be seen in Iraq for political reasons.

Mc Same is a old man with a childs mind. " Look at me, I'm in Iraq. I care about the troops that I have caused to have to go fight an unnecessary war". Then what does Mc Same do shortly after he comes back? He votes against a better healthcare plan for them. He is a liar a phony and a HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!! I DON'T CARE IF HILLARY DOESN'T BECOME THE NOMINEE !!!

I AM A MOTHER WHO HAS A SON IN IRAQ AND I WILL VOTE FOR BARACK NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THE REPULSE-LICANS LIES.

maria   May 31st, 2008 10:08 pm ET

Mcbush, just like old bull headed bush.

Margaret   May 31st, 2008 10:07 pm ET

Obama says McCain should admit his error and McCain's surrogate … changes the subject. Um-hmm. He hoped we wouldn't notice, I guess.

KE   May 31st, 2008 10:01 pm ET

Obama wants to disarm America. I heard someone else talk like that in the other country when the young man got to the top. I thought how naive he was. Not only he became powerless in his position, he could not finish his term.

McCain Has Too Much Military Experience   May 31st, 2008 10:00 pm ET

Dear John,

You are not running for the office of "commander in chief." You are running for the office of President, which is a much broader position of service.

Yours Truly,
The US Constitution

Roberson in Georgia   May 31st, 2008 9:56 pm ET

Sen. McCain is a Republican therefore he will never admit that he made a mistake. He feels that if he says it then the people should believe him.

He says that the surge is working. How is it working. Soldiers and Iraqis are dying everyday. The Iraqi Government still does not have control of their country. The American people are still pouring more and more money in the Iraqi war. Soldiers are still being deployed to Iraq and now more soldiers are being deployed to Afganistan.

Let's not forget that it makes since that if you add more troups to a fight then they will kill more people. It is like one person against three, well the U.S. added 10 more people with the surge against the three. What are the odds that the three will lose.

The U.S. and Iraqi Government still do not have a plan to secure Iraq, so No, Sen. McCain the surge is not working.

You said that number of U.S. troops in Iraq is below the surge level, but in fact there are 23,000 more troops in Iraq now. Sen. McCain you can not fool the informed people,. So if you do not admit your mistake, then we the informed people will just chalk it up to a Sen. McCain Lie.

All American   May 31st, 2008 9:56 pm ET

I beleive McCain said that troops are almost back to where they were before the serge. Well so much for the clean campagain Obama claims he has. Did anyone notice the he bulids you up to tear you down. And this is running a clean campagain, What a joke.

And resigning from his church right in the middle of of the Democrat partys meeting thinking it wouldn't draw attention . Why didn't he do this before. Why wait till now better yet why wait twent years to act like an American. Who does he think he is fooling. Go McCain!

Issue #1   May 31st, 2008 9:56 pm ET

I'm tired of dragging the issue of Iraq everywhere. Do you think all the troops want to be there? My friends didn't want to be there any longer since the thing dragged on so long.
I'm ready to hear what else McCain has in his plans for the country. Iraq isn't even issue # 1. I want to know what he plans to do about inflation, gas prices, health care, the ever growing price of higher education, the ever diminishing choices in higher education, the failure of No Child Left Behind (more drop outs that before), secure Afghanistan and end Bin Laden's run, Immigration, the economy, etc.
We've given enough to Iraq. We've our blood and money. We secured Iraq so Bush can fly in secretly and Amadinejad to walk around in broad day light. This has made a mockery of the blood we've shed there. We should be ashamed of the work we've done there. Iran has more influence in Iraq than its Liberators. Give me a break!

Kirk in New York   May 31st, 2008 9:51 pm ET

I don't think that McCain is a bad guy. i think he's far better a Republican candidate than GW ever was. But Obama has a valid point, and it's a point of character. Admitting when one is wrong is a sorely needed commodity in the White House right now.

Mary Kansas City, Missouri   May 31st, 2008 9:51 pm ET

When Obama has secured the nomination, that will be plenty of time for him to go Iraq. McCain has been over a few times and still isn't able to distinguish between Shiites and Sunes. Soon the world will see McCain as the fake he really is. I wonder if he still hates Korean Americans. He really doesn't know what he's talking about. When confronted he gets angry and mean. Look for his mean streak to surface in the course of the elections.

Willis, Texas   May 31st, 2008 9:50 pm ET

McBush camp seen more interested in Obama's travel schedule than getting the fact straight. As a voter, I am not interested in the days counting for Obama to visit Iraq — I am interested in getting the troops home!!!!

Who is inexperienced and lacking in knowledge about Iraq? Oh no, not the plastic "general" McBush. He claims all this experience and cannot reward the troops with an educaton — wants to keep them in the military fighting like robots!!!

McBush has lost his grip and his memory!!

Clevelander   May 31st, 2008 9:49 pm ET

I truely believe that our next president should be able to admit if he/she makes a mistake. How are you different from Bush if you can't courageously admit your own mistakes. You can only be a stronger leader if you do admit that you are wrong and learn from your own mistakes!

This truely shows what John McCain will be like in the future as a president. I urge my fellow Americans, please do NOT buy into John McCain's message. Wether it's Obama or Clinton, we need a strong leader who can get us out of Iraq, restore our leadership in the world, improve our economic condition, and give our next generation a better place to live.

NO John McCain, PLEASE!

JonRoss   May 31st, 2008 9:48 pm ET

Splitting these types of hairs makes Obama look foolish.

Operation Elephant   May 31st, 2008 9:47 pm ET

These guys are something else. Why aren't we talking about the federal budget or non intervention/intervention issues?

roger dowdle, lockhart, Tx   May 31st, 2008 9:47 pm ET

McSame can't be expected to be up to date on troop levels- heck, he isn't even sure who we are fighting in iraq. So Obama hasn't been to iraq in 874 days, who cares? At least he isn't requiring a battalion of troops to put themselves at risk so he can have a photo op. If anyone noticed, McBush's winning strategy calls for the war to be over in his successors term, so he can shift the blame for failure!

Superdelegate Bob, CA   May 31st, 2008 9:46 pm ET

McCain is a mean and stubborn old man. It is time to put him out to pasture.

Monte   May 31st, 2008 9:45 pm ET

Here he goes again! Talking is circles and the media in all their stupidity, believes him. What happened, just a few months ago, when it looked like Hillary may be the winner, John McCain was your best friend.

Howard   May 31st, 2008 9:45 pm ET

I would worry about waking up to a landslide Democratic victory in November too if I was a Republican.

Rational Thinker   May 31st, 2008 9:44 pm ET

Obama is correct.

Didn't McCaine ( if he continues his way I will have to start saying McSame) say will be respond to reporters? I thought he meant he will respond honestly, if this is what he means my responding to reporters; he is no different than GB.

Jim in FL   May 31st, 2008 9:41 pm ET

Obamouth. Visit Iraq. Just shutup and listen. Let the troops tell you what is going on. Doh !

Cooper   May 31st, 2008 9:37 pm ET

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. That is all McCain can focus on - our "success" in Iraq, and how Obama needs to focus more on Iraq. I call his position "wrong and strong." He reminds me so much of a certain sitting President. I guess that is why, behind closed doors, Bush is fundraising so heavily for McCain - the two amigos. Let's get out of Iraq responsibly and put this country back on the right track. I try to see more depth in McCain, but there is nothing else he puts forward. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. This country is so much more!

sharon   May 31st, 2008 9:37 pm ET

Talk about mistake making> Was it a 20 year mistake to not drop out of your church?

McCain 08′

Dawn   May 31st, 2008 9:36 pm ET

He has some nerve……why doesn't he start with his laundry list of lies and gaffes…..he truly understands nothing about foreign policy….

Gary Chandler in Canada   May 31st, 2008 9:35 pm ET

McCain is NOT a straight talker.

CD   May 31st, 2008 9:33 pm ET

Mr McCain's time was eight years ago…before the nomination went to George Bush. Now he's an old man, past his prime. It's kind of like Clinton, this is her time and it is slipping away.

It is so sad to see McCain having to take George's money, but ashamed of being seen with him. Very sad.

jr   May 31st, 2008 9:33 pm ET

We all feel betrayed here and will not vote for Obama! When we had a chance to due a revote Obama made it impossible. He found a way to cheat Hillary out of the votes and delagates that she deserved to get. I refuse to vote for a manipulative cheater like Obama. More than once he has devided the party. He is not a uniter by far. If he is the democratic nominee, we will vote for McCain! Hillary has been betrayed by her own party!

Judy   May 31st, 2008 9:31 pm ET

On this I wonder about two things; first, why is Obama talking about visiting Iraq at this time and secondly, Obama has never let the public forget that Clinton voted for the war in Iraq yet accepts the support of senators and others who also voted for the Iraq war. Look at the list of senators who have given Obama their support and you will find that most of them voted for the Iraq war. It appears to be ok for a senator to have voted for the war if they support Obama yet for Clinton and those who support her their votes were wrong. Talk about your double standard. If Obama beleives so strongly that those who voted for the war were wrong then he should reject the support of anyone who voted for that war.

Cindy in California   May 31st, 2008 9:25 pm ET

Keep chipping away Obama, you are on the right track. McCain has constantly misspoken about the Iraq war, and he has not once been able to admit he got the facts wrong.

McCain needs to do his homework, and stop thinking we are buying the lies about the Iraq war. The old adage goes" fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" I sincerely hope we as Americans don't allow ourselves to be lied to again about the war. Too many of our young men and women have died because of misinformation from the Bush camp.

Chris   May 31st, 2008 9:19 pm ET

All Obama is saying is its Ok to admit when your wrong. Especially when its something so simple!! What if it was something more controversial? And Obama is right, don't act stubborn like Bush. Look at whats going on with Iraq. Admit your wrong and move on.
The spokesman had nothing useful to say in their response. McCain is the one ignoring the facts not Obama! Troop levels after the surge will be 10,000+ more.FACT!
874 days since Obama visited Iraq. OK 1800+ days since McCain + Hillary +Bush sent our troops in Iraq on false intelligence.
The Republicans are finished, they have nothing.

Obama '08

Bessie K.   May 31st, 2008 9:17 pm ET

The Republican Party has done a great job of holding our Democratic Candidates accountable for what they have said. But when it comes to taking their own medicine, they refuse. McCain's resistance to addressing his many blunders should not sit well at all with his supporters.

terry   May 31st, 2008 9:17 pm ET

The surge is working. The area is growing more stable every day. We can not crawl into a shell and give up. What we will see in the near future is another democracy in the world, just like Germany and Japan. Let Barrack Hussein Obama run the country and we will be speaking Arabic.

jackson from Iowa   May 31st, 2008 9:15 pm ET

Mccain give it up

JAMES IN AL   May 31st, 2008 9:15 pm ET

MAYBE OBAMA SHOULD ADMIT HE IS WAY OVER HIS HEAD AND KNOWS TO LITTLE TO BE JUDGING OTHER PEOPLES VIEWS OF WHAT THEY THIK IS AND IS NOT WORKING AND THEIR COMMENTS. IT IS SAD OBAMA KNOWING AS LITTLE AS HE DOES HAS GOTTEN THIS FAR JUST ON BEING ABLE TO GIVE A GOOD SPEACH AND BEING ABLE TO DIVERT AND HOLD PEOPLES ATTENTION. WE JUST HAD A GUY IN OFFICE WHOM DIDNT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AND SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH ALL THE WRONG PEOPLE AND NOW OBAMA IS FOLLING THAT SAME PATH. WHY DO YOU THINK ALL THE ELEITIST AND FAR LEFT WING LIBERAL SOCIALIST ARE BEHIND OBAMA. BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO INPOWER THEM. THIS HAS ME EITHER WRITTING IN HILLARY OR VOTING REPUBLICAN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE COME NOVEMBER!
NO-BAMA FOR ME IN 08′

Godson   May 31st, 2008 9:13 pm ET

Why must McSame to making a mistake? It is normal for him to make mistakes and unusual to be correct.
it's not a senior moment at all

Anonymous   May 31st, 2008 9:11 pm ET

obama is gonna destroy mccain. thats the bottom line…..Obama 08.
oh and for all you people who criticzed him because of the ties to his church can shut it up once and for all. And what rational thinking person would support hillary in the primary season but vote for mccain. Im a die hard obama supporter but if it came down to hillary and any republican i would choose her b/c im a real democrat

sonia   May 31st, 2008 9:11 pm ET

McCain got into the Naval Academy because of his father and grandfather. He graduated fifth from the bottom and served all of 20 hours of combat before ditching his fifth plane. He then spent 5 years as a VIP POW who sang for his supper. He's about as fit to be commander in chief as George Bush. Both are sons of privilege who repeatedly got drunk. screwed up, and were bailed out by their daddies.

JohnLee   May 31st, 2008 9:10 pm ET

I don't think "admit they are wrong" is something that is taught to republicans. They think EVERYONE else is wrong and they are right! Good luck getting McBush to admit that.

Yvon Baptiste   May 31st, 2008 9:09 pm ET

People need to recognize their mistake whenever they make them.
I do not understand why people don't want to agree on that

Kofi   May 31st, 2008 9:09 pm ET

McCain camp's response is neither here nor there. The question is simple, DID McCain MISSPEAK OR DID NOT GET HIS FACTS RIGHT? IF THE LATTER, THEN HOW DO WE MEASURE THE EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF……. YOU NAME IT?

Philippines

obamamama   May 31st, 2008 9:04 pm ET

As usual,Obama's answer to anything is ….A SPEECH.No legislation,no accomplishments ,just speeches.20 years in a Black theology church ranting against whites and he runs as a uniter.This guy has some nerve.Hillary or McCain.join us .

Tim   May 31st, 2008 9:04 pm ET

McSame needs to admit he was wrong. How can he claim that he is more knowledgable about Iraq? He was wrong about the war. He cannot tell the difference between the factions. He was wrong about the surge. So how would Obama going to Iraq help him understand when it hasn't done a thing for McSame?

Obama 08/12!!

Frazier   May 31st, 2008 9:02 pm ET

McSame admit fault and move on please. You Hillary supporters take a look at this man.

Joe from Ohio   May 31st, 2008 8:59 pm ET

Here we go again. Twisting Senator McCain's words again.

The real point is that the surge has worked. McCain supported the surge and Obama did not. He said it would fail. Again Obama has showed his lack of judgement and experience!!

Hillary 08!!!

J   May 31st, 2008 8:57 pm ET

The McCain response seems to be responding to something entirely different as they don't mention the comments at all…

Jose   May 31st, 2008 8:53 pm ET

Obama-Webb!

CLINTON SUPPORTER   May 31st, 2008 7:57 pm ET

Obama thinks he has the right to demand that McCain admit his mistakes!!!!!!

This coming from a man who only today withdrew from the church where two controversial pastors either preached hatred or mocked Senator Clinton, both of whom Obama has known for more than two decades. It is beyond me how that man could sit in that church and allow his two young daughters to hear such nonsense.

Speaks volumes for the character of Barack Hussein Obama!

Hillary Rodham Clinton/08 -or else- John McCain/08

kaduke   May 31st, 2008 7:55 pm ET

I don't know about the rest of you, but, the thing that most irritates me about this Administration has always been their refusal to admit to a mistake, as if that admission would somehow make them appear weak in the eyes of the people. Nothing, I believe, is further from the truth. Making mistakes is being human. Who among us doesn't make errors or mistakes on a regular basis? Character and wisdom is not found when all goes right. It is when we admit and accept responsibility for our actions that we grow and show leadership. This "my way or the highway" mentality weakens us all. Most reasonable people will rally to a leader who is honest and forthright, whether or not they subscribe to a particular position or not. The current President seems unwilling, unable, or both, to understand this most fundamental truth. It's time to throw the bums out and put a real human being in the White House.

Michael   May 31st, 2008 7:54 pm ET

McShame should man-up and admit he was wrong if he was wrong. This is a fundamental mistake. You better man-up or it will haunt you forever.

Greg   May 31st, 2008 7:53 pm ET

Wow, so first McCain doesn't know the difference between two of the major ethic groups in Iraq and their affiliations, then he refuses to support the troops by providing practical funding for our veterans to receive a college education, and now he can't tell the difference between how many troops we had in Iraq prior to the surge compared to today?

Oh dear…

Gene   May 31st, 2008 7:37 pm ET

I love how McCain's camapaign's response doesn't refute what Barack says, just offers their tired old criticisms. The only way to read this is: "You're right, McCain was wrong. But we don't have the testicular fortitude to say so."

We've already had eight years of a president who believes he's never been wrong, we can't afford four more.

william   May 31st, 2008 7:24 pm ET

and why did it take you months to leave your church?
You still have not come out and said you were wrong to stay in it.
Why should he do what you have not. Oh becauyse you think your better then everyone else. Take you wife and brats and leave the us.

John from Las Vegas   May 31st, 2008 7:24 pm ET

Spoken like a true president. And one that will be SO much better than our current Commander in Chief. Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out G.W, B. And take your buddy McCain with you.

OBAMA '08….PEACE '09

No McSame   May 31st, 2008 7:23 pm ET

Stay on him Prez and don't let him breath. Wear the OLD man down. He will not admit to anything, it's not in his nature.
Obama08
Don't go to Iraq. Don't let them do you like they did RON BROWN.

Ali from NJ   May 31st, 2008 7:19 pm ET

Obama knows nothing about foreign policy.
How dare he criticize this hero.

Newly Independent for Hillary   May 31st, 2008 6:51 pm ET

The Florida DNC has decided which votes of the people will count and which won't.

So much for a "democratic process."

So goes Michigan.

There is only ONE RULE: Each vote should count as one vote.

Jeff   May 31st, 2008 6:42 pm ET

This criticism coming from Mr "57 States" Gaffe Machine. LOL

Nwadike K. Patrick   May 31st, 2008 6:42 pm ET

Republicans pride themselves in sending their young ones to die and decorating them as "heroes". War should not be a bad idea when fought within an agreable notion; when fought with some level of civility and caution. McCain and co. does not represent this. America should be happy to have an establishment "turncoat" to abort the country of this misdeed in the person of Senator Barack .

Thomas E. Barnes   May 31st, 2008 6:39 pm ET

Why is there so much emphasis put on Sen. Obama's church activities( that he has no control over ) when it doesn't affect our country's progress. When Sen. McCain criticism of Obama's leadership as it relates to the War in Iraq, qualities that Americans want to know about that would have a direct affect on our country's progress are no spoken on by CNN and others. Seemingly it's because Sen McCain blundering of information of facts about the War in Iraq has been discovered. Far be it for CNN's (GREATEST POLITICAL TEAM ON T.V. ) to bring out negative character traits on Sen McCain.

jason   May 31st, 2008 6:38 pm ET

is that going to be the republican's angle? "he hasn't been to Iraq." That's a silly way to question everything he says about it.

tools!

Pete   May 31st, 2008 6:35 pm ET

The man means business!

ME4O   May 31st, 2008 6:34 pm ET

You know,I am for Obama for a couple reasons.I see him as having been caught being at fault or "misspeaking" fewer times than the other candidates and about more trivial things.He has been attacked and, it seems, held responsible for other peoples statements.Lets not forget Clinton's statements or the fact that her campaign organizer left earlier for less than respectable reasons. Also, I think it is better to show the world a new face.Not a Clinton or another hard headed Republican. But I get tired of "Oh, they're not ready to run this country". You know, it's not like we'll turn a kid loose in a candy shop. They will have advisors and a cabinet.They will only have veto power which can be overridden by the house. I don't know why people don't realize, still, that it is Congress who runs this country. It is not the President. HE is merely a figurehead.

Proud American   May 31st, 2008 6:34 pm ET

Obama you can not take away the one thing that Republicans are actually good at "lies and deception".

Ed from Durango   May 31st, 2008 6:34 pm ET

Gotta admit, when the republicans lie, they darn well stick to it.

LQ Rochester MN   May 31st, 2008 6:33 pm ET

Further proof he is just McSame. Bush never admits to a mistake either.

Foreign observer   May 31st, 2008 5:46 pm ET

It´s not a strength of the current GOP people to admitt faults. Reagan has been different on that.

Jim Irving   May 31st, 2008 5:44 pm ET

I find McCain's rebuttal ridiculous and I'm sure that the rest of America does as well.

GO OBAMA!

change??   May 31st, 2008 5:44 pm ET

I’m saddened by the reality that the Obama supporters have been duped into believing that change will happen for the better if this man holds the keys to the White House. It’s easy to say out with “old politics” but the reality is - Mr. Obama is just like the rest - there really is no other way to get to the top without stepping on others along the way and campaigns are slogans to sell a product/candidate. The blogs I read from the Obamaites, represent hatred and prejudice. This person is you want to lead our country is a scary man and keeps scary company. I have read and heard your statements that the words are not his words coming from the “spiritual leaders” he has chosen, but they are - we are held accountable for our friends for they are images of ourselves. Obamaites have slammed Ms. Ferrara for her comments, but the reality is - blacks were given the right to vote before women and times have not changed…Hillary is trying to make this change. Mr. Obama is trying to follow the same old pattern…white man, black man….somewhere down the road women will develop a voice, unfortunately it will not be heard until the voice inside their head saying - I am not good enough goes away. You may not like Hillary, but is it because of her politics or because you hear the voices of bittered bigoted past saying - Women have no place outside the home? I guess if men hadn’t gone to war way back when we’d still be there.

Mr. Obama’s campaign (which represents him) put the racial word in your ear - The Clinton’s time represented prosperity for America - doesn’t sound like such a bad thing to go back to. They also represented the African Americans and how quickly you turn on those looking out for you and turn into “white racists.” It is a sad time when the change the Clinton’s brought for the African Americans has been lost because what our country now faces is “white racism” and the sexism…well that was addressed. I will vote McCain and wait four years until Hillary runs again…or do we write her it?? All of the Hillary supporters need to make this clear - what do we want to do?

Hillary supporters unite - spread the word - decision making time - we have the power to choose our next President…our campaign for 2008 - Choose McCain 2008 - Hillary 2012!!! MAKE THE SIGNS - sorry Pelosi, you’re too late - Oprah sewed the seeds, now may she weep.

MCCAIN - 2008 - HILLARY - 2010!!

E. C., Houston, Texas   May 31st, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Obama is such a 'small man with a small brain.' This guy is so unqualified and inexperienced to be the nominee. Perhaps McCain should take Obama to task and make him ADMIT that he has Rascist Religious Friends and apologize to Americans for hiding it.

Illinois   May 31st, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Obama, you should shut off your mouth!

Julie from Nantuckett   May 31st, 2008 5:43 pm ET

I'm so sick of hearing the name "Obama"—–he's the darling of the media and it's really getting on my nerves—-can't the media act a little bit unbiased even if he is your Messiah.

Timber   May 31st, 2008 5:43 pm ET

SHAME oh Obama for trying to disenfranchise FL voters. He wants to be President? What a joke. More like dictator. The voters of FL should not be punished for what a few DNC bigwigs did. Obama is scarier than GW Bush.

Miles Long   May 31st, 2008 5:42 pm ET

"Barack Obama is ignoring facts," Bounds wrote. "He irresponsibly refuses credible evidence on the ground proving American troops have surged toward significant gains in Iraq and it proves he is just not ready to be commander in chief.

C'mon Republicans you gotta do better than that if you want to win in November.

Lamest.Rebuttal.Ever!

JD   May 31st, 2008 5:42 pm ET

…the so-called gains trumpeted by the McCain camp are in serious doubt, as the Iraqis are now pushing back against a permanent occupation by American forces…And still they refuse to admit that they can't count…When faced with actual indisputable numbers, they have no recourse except to attempt ignorant personal attacks…

Perhaps the alumnus of the Keating Five has nothing better to do with taxpayer money than political grandstanding overseas, but Senator Obama is correctly focusing on the nomination process…

mike in Houston   May 31st, 2008 5:41 pm ET

I think Obama is right on Target.
Mcsame needs to apologize and admits that he is wrong with BUSH.

PATTY W   May 31st, 2008 5:41 pm ET

How typical….McCain's camp responded to Obama by addressing a totally different subject…..McBush indeed

Elore   May 31st, 2008 5:39 pm ET

Oh shut up Obama . Why don't you admit you know nothing and that you lie and lie until you get your way. Remember Palmer and the people you stepped on. Remember when you said you had never heard your pastor deliver a hate mesage just to admit later your had. No No NO Obama its enough we are tired of hearing you use the fact that you are black send us in a guilty trip .

KE   May 31st, 2008 5:29 pm ET

The Obama campaign has no real solutions. They flip flop all the time. Their campaign is full of contradictions and hypocrisy. They only know how to tear down. Sen. Obama's only positive sound bites were "hope" and "change".

I listend to Martin Luther King, Jr. speak. Sen. Obama is no MLK, he went to a church that promoted GDA and mislead its members for 20 years. Should they admit they were wrong?

icruise   May 31st, 2008 5:29 pm ET

Not only does McCain's camp's response not address the actual issue at hand, it's just silly and insulting that they feel they have to end every response with "and this just proves that he's not ready to be commander and chief" or some variation on the theme. They did it with that dumb "gaffe" about Auschwitz, too. This is the "elevated" discourse that McCain promised us?

Anne   May 31st, 2008 5:28 pm ET

Ive never been to Iraq and I can see its been a total failure and an illegal war. Dont need to sit in the middle of Baghdad to know that.

@americans   May 31st, 2008 5:28 pm ET

old mcshame can't own up and can't 'fess up!

I'm not surprised. He has officially lost his "bearings"!

A man that is senile and can't be honest with the american people cannot be trusted with the presidency of the United States!

Umpire   May 31st, 2008 5:28 pm ET

Obama should forget the McCain-Cheney photo op trips to Iraq and leave our troops to carry out their missions without the distractions of visiting VIPs.

aware   May 31st, 2008 5:27 pm ET

We don't need Obama who can't admit he is a left wing nut who continues to make mistakes and obfuscate… :(

windsock   May 31st, 2008 5:27 pm ET

Whenever Obama opens his lying, hypocritical self-righteous mouth, i hang up my windsock to take advantage of all that free hot air.

pam Eugene OR   May 31st, 2008 5:27 pm ET

Admit it McSame. You are just like Bush!

Anonymous   May 31st, 2008 5:26 pm ET

McSame comments we'll hear all summer long. When does McSame go to Iraq for his walk down safe streets there?

deroy   May 31st, 2008 5:07 pm ET

OBAMA should admit all his mistakes that the media has not reported leave the presidential race immedaitely.

resign from his NO-SHOW job in the senate and report to the trinity DIS-unted church to his true master rev WRIGHT, the father of his children.

Phil Newton   May 31st, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Come on, McCain. Be a big boy, say "oops" and move on.

Because Mr Obama is right: If you can't admit you made an error, you can't be my president.

We've had one of those. One too many.

Capt. Smash, Salt Lake City, Utah   May 31st, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Bush, McCain, GOP and CLINTON voted to send 4100 troops to there death and for what? That is the real story here!

1. Is Iran stronger or weaker since Bush’s invasions of Iraq?

2. Has Osama bin Laden been killed or captured since Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

3. Are we paying more for gas now or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

4. Is our economy better of now or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

5. Is the White Houses creditability better now or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

6. Is the budget deficit higher now or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

7. Is the Middle East more peaceful now or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

8. Do we have more American Solders dead or before Bush’s invasion of Iraq?

This WAR has cost us so much; it is unbelievable that damage that Bush administration has done to this nation. The saddest thing about this WAR most of the American cannot comprehend what has happen during the last seven years of this administration. Further, McCain wants to go down the same road as well disgruntled Hillary supporters! Go figure!

Joe Reed   May 31st, 2008 5:05 pm ET

This is typical of Bush, McCain and the Republican leadership…never admit that you are wrong on anything. Period. ….that's what I call arrogance….and the books on the truth on Bush are just starting to come out. Wait until Bush leaves the White house and look for the tell all best sellers…I personally can't wait to read what Colin Powell will write.

Mr Independant   May 31st, 2008 5:05 pm ET

874 Days? lol, Expect desperation from the RNC! Americans are done with Bush and anyone who clings to his policies. We're taking our country back in 08′ It's time to come together friends. Dems and Republicans vote to end this war and begin to change our energy policies. Expect a landslide!

P.S. We loved you Hillary, until it became about you and not whats best for our country. Saying Obama cant be Mccain is absurd. Shame on you Hillary!

Kathy   May 31st, 2008 5:05 pm ET

Boy do the Republicans know how to spin spin spin. They make statement they know are false and the american people with half a brain know they are false. He has not refused any meetings with generals or refused to go to Iraq Etc Why should he and it is not even what is on most people minds. Gas here is 4.19 and it is the economy!!!!!!! I can feed my family if I don't get to work.

trying again   May 31st, 2008 5:04 pm ET

You Obama supporters constantly blog that any "true democrat" will vote for the democratic nominee- i.e, the great Obama. And that HRC supporters are idiots if they vote for McCain since Obama and Clinton are virtually identical in policies and views.

Well then…?
Why did you all vote for Obama and refuse to vote for HRC, if they are so similar in platform? Why do you criticize Clinton then? Is this an election on substance or a popularity contest? Your contradiction would indicate you are voting on personality ONLY.
CNN is too biased to give equal time to anti-Obama posts.

Why, then, did Michelle Obama herself say she would have to think about voting for HRC, were Clinton the nominee of the party? Does this make Michelle Obama an idiot? Does that mean MIchelle is NOT a true democrat? Why would the spouse of ANY candidate be hesitant to vote for the party nominee?

Why is criticizing Obama, racism- but trashing, bashing, insulting Hillary Clinton acceptable and fun?

You robots for Obama are superficial, hypocrits incapable of logical reasoned and informed decision making. Your own blogs prove it.

Joey   May 31st, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Go get 'em, Barack! You reason well, and you have the truth on your side. McCain is showing over & over again that he is part of the problem, not the solution. It's about time we cleaned house and kicked these hardened warmongers out!

Rich   May 31st, 2008 5:04 pm ET

What "credible evidence" is Tucker Bounds talking about? That McCain says he can "look someone in the eye" claiming that things have quieted down while 3 suicide bombings happen within hours of the statement.

And the troop levels are clearly not down to pre-surge levels nor is there a timeline for them to be. Verb tense nit-picking? Where did they get this Tucker Bounds character?

Desmond Sequeira   May 31st, 2008 5:04 pm ET

HUMILITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE MISTAKES. ANOTHER TRAIT OF A GREAT PRESIDENT! OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.

bill for barack   May 31st, 2008 5:04 pm ET

You have to be smart enough to realize you've made a mistake in the first place in order to apologize for it.
Is McCain that smart ?
I doubt it.

Jim in Indiana   May 31st, 2008 4:45 pm ET

The AP had the figures in today's newspaper. Prior to the surge, there were less troops and less brigades in Iraq.

Those are the facts. Obama is right to call McCain on this.

McCain is referring to the projected number of troops and brigades at the end of July. But he says that it's less now. He is simply wrong.

BOLA   May 31st, 2008 4:44 pm ET

We don't need another 4years of McCain/Bush. Go Obama 08′

Hans-Erik Iken   May 31st, 2008 4:44 pm ET

That guy Tucker Bounds is not answering the challenge before him and yet th question is simple: is the number of troops back to pre-surge levels or not?

Why are those guys always shying away from a straight answer to a simple question? It is not that hard to check numbers is it?

This pathetic attempt at spin and to obscure the issue is very weak. I expected more from the 'Straight Talk Express' campaign.

G. Penley   May 31st, 2008 4:43 pm ET

Every anti-American terrorist on earth will be dancing in the streets if Obama gets elected.

Dori in AZ   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

The great United States Senator, Carl T. Hayden, who served Arizona & our country well for decades & whose name is forever attached to many special places in our state (including the Veterans Medical Center in Phoenix & the main library at Arizona State University in Tempe) would be ASHAMED of you, Mr. McCain.

If Senator Hayden were still alive, he'd put John McCain in his place.

In memory of Senator Carl T. Hayden. . . We miss the great leaders!

Hillary is NUTS!   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

Liars have a hard time telling the truth and admitting their faults

Bill Clinton - Impeachment, lying, Iraq

Hillary Clinton - Failed Campaign, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, China, Health Care, NAFTA

John McCain - Iraq, All Wheels dropped off his straight talk express, Iran, Sunni, Shia, Losing his bearings

George Bush - EVERYTHING! Iraq, 2000 Elections, Iran

John, OH   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

Not conceding defeat; withdrawing.

He's going to Iraq, so I'd hardly say he "refuses" to.

And what does the rebuttal have to do with the argument?

That is all.

Laidetea   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

McCain is not going to admit to his mistake. You can count on that. Hillary hasn't admitted to herself that she's lost the race.

John   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

Mac knows what is talking about, not like Obama who has no idea about what is going on in Iraq, but knows that people will vote for him for crying out about mistakes and never admitting any progress.
McCain 2008

wyoming dem   May 31st, 2008 4:42 pm ET

Give it a rest on the day count McSame!!! Just because Obama hasn't been there since 2006 doesn't mean diddly. The war is a train wreck and the American people know it, the generals know it and the troops are admitting it. He will go when he is the nominee. Just like you did.

john   May 31st, 2008 4:41 pm ET

The McCain camp response doesn't even address Obama's points! Is his whole campaign senile??? Instead they try to beat the already dead horse of how long it's been since Obama was in Iraq. What does that have to do with the actual # of troops there? What an awkward and feeble attempt to avoid the real issue Obama raises…..

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