WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic leaders hopeful that a deal to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would mark an end to the deep division the controversy has brought to the party got some instant – and less than encouraging – feedback as they finalized the measure Saturday evening.
As members of the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel voted in favor of the measures, some supporters of Hillary Clinton's White House bid rose from their seats and began to shout “Don’t steal my vote!” and “Let’s go, McCain!”
Several paced the back of the ballroom, yelling at the committee members and chanting “Denver! Denver!” – the site of this summer's Democratic presidential nominating convention.
When Barack Obama’s name was mentioned, boos filled the room.
"This motion will hijack, hijack, remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton and most importantly reflect the preferences of 600,000 Michigan voters,” said Clinton senior adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes, who added that the White House hopeful reserved her right to bring an appeal before the DNC's Credentials Committee later this summer.
The delegate allocations were a blow to Clinton, who comes away with an advantage of just 24 delegates.
She is favored in Sunday’s Puerto Rico primary. But Obama is thought to hold an edge going into next Tuesday’s contests in Montana and South Dakota – meaning Clinton’s chances of pushing Obama’s delegate lead down into the double digits before the Democratic convention have virtually disappeared.
After the vote, as knots of Clinton and Obama supporters circled each other and faced off in the lobby outside the ballroom, uncommitted Florida superdelegate Mitch Caesar – who said he would weigh in soon after the last primary Tuesday - praised the party for “taking the first step toward unity.”
Nearby, Obama supporter Laura Mitchell wasn’t so sure the party had started down the path to comity. “I think it’s going to be a disaster if this goes past Tuesday,” said the Maryland resident. “Every day it gets a little harder to imagine we will be able to come together.”
Boston native and Clinton backer Jenny Doggett, an organizer of grassroots group Count the Votes Cast, called the DNC “spineless.”
“I think what they’ve done is divisive, destroying the party. I’m disgusted,” said Doggett, who expressed hope that the popular vote in Puerto Rico and a shift in superdelegates might still be able to deliver the nomination to Hillary Clinton. “I’m done with the Democratic Party,” she added. “I’m an independent voter now.”
The Rules committee ultimately adopted modified versions of a Florida delegate proposal presented by Jon Ausman, and the Michigan Leadership Plan developed by Democratic officials in that state.
All delegates from both states, both pledged and superdelegates, will be seated – but each will only be able to cast half a vote. Florida’s delegates were split The decision adds 313 new delegates, but only 156.5 votes, to the summer convention, and raises the number of delegates required to win the nomination to 2,118.
The Florida proposal was passed unanimously by the panel – but faced a rockier reception on the Michigan plan, which employed a complicated and controversial delegate allocation formula that awarded a 10 delegate, 5 vote edge to Clinton.
The Clinton campaign later released a statement from Ickes and fellow Clinton adviser and RBC member Tina Flournoy that said the Michigan decision “violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party,” and repeated their willingness to challenge the decision before the delegation is seated at the Democratic National Convention.
The Obama campaign released a statement from campaign manager David Plouffe praising the RBC decision. “We're extremely gratified that the commission agreed on a fair solution that will allow Michigan and Florida to participate in the Convention,” said Plouffe.
At a press conference at the hotel following the final vote, a skeptical reporter pressed Alexis Herman on her claim that the panel’s decision would unite the party. As Herman responded, chants of “Denver! Denver!” could be heard from the lobby outside.
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New Hampshire and Puerto Rico changed the rules and were not penalized..why were Michigand and Fla?
We are a land of 50 states not 48!
Let us not forget the bigger picture, and that is getting this Country back on its feet. We need to become the United States; and start living the words of our great documents. We need change!
As PT Barnum once said, there is a sucker born every second.
The only reason Billary is still "running" is to pay off some of her $20 million debt by duping her supporters into donating her money.
As PT Barnum once said, make them pay to see the Egress. Yes, Clinton supporter, for once, do your research and go look up Egress and see what you are paying for this time.
And people who agree with Mr. McCain's vision for America and so will vote for him do not belong in the Democratic Party anyway.
Because those four delegates will really make a world of difference when Clinton trails by about 175. Who needs unity when you can cry about not getting four delegates?
Hillary!!!
Take it to Denver! I am behind you all the way. If that does not work, run as an independent. I am confident you will fight for us in the Whitehouse therefore we are will to fight for you.
I will never understand why people will cut off their nose in spite of themself. But you know what...this may be the best for American politics in the long run. Obviously, the 2 party system is no longer working. Having multiple major parties will force politicians to learn to compromise and to work with other.
How sick and blinded by pride must you be? Have some respect for this hard fought race and the fact that the better candidate has forged through such a giant pile of garbage. Holding an early and thereby pointless primary these two states are lucky to have even received consideration. How unfair and ridiculous do you want to be?
I just hope all who declared this are running down to the recruiters office tomorrow. No? TOO MANY TALKERS IN THIS COUNTRY. No?
Yeah, go ahead and vote McCain. Then you can congratulate yourself when the guy sits idly by as the economy falters, further screws up the Middle East, and takes away your right to choose.
You guys don't deserve to be in the Democratic Party anyway. Bunch of idiots.
SInce when do democrats not count votes!!!!!!!
where is the outrage from moveon and dail ykos who in the past have called for voter disenfranchisement and petitions when there is SMALLEST sign of voter fraud!!!!!!!
the obama people are the most hypocritical i have ever seen!!!!!!!
hillary or bust!!!!!!!!!
If they were so gung-ho for voting for McCain, they why don't they convince Hillary to run with him? Now we all know who the REAL Democrats are. We don't need wolves in sheep's clothing...it's time to cleanse this party of these fanatics. It's very simple...if you can't take the heat, get out of the party.
It's unfortunate that the whiners get the press. Understandable, but unfortunate. Move on, Clinton supporters and get a clue.
No true democrat would vote for McCain, especially if they're politically savvy enough to realize that even Clinton admitted her and Obama's policies are very similar.
The only explination would be that Clinton supporters put the idea of the candidate above her policies, in which case, their votes don't particularly hold a whole lot of weight in my view. If they're willing to support a candidate that completely overturns Clintons ideals (Roe v. Wade, a more fair tax structure, more money toward education, etc.), then they certainly aren't doing her any favors.
So what! The stupid Hillary fools talking about jumping ship are true Republicans anyways. So is Hillary for that matter. She's running the Republicans campaign while destroying the Democrats! Good riddens Hillary and all your zombies!
I am so tired of Clinton supporters threatening to vote for McClain. We dont want to hear it anymore, please.
Enough teeth gnashing and hand-wringing.
Go ahead and vote for McClain.
Nothing new there.
People voting against their own economic and other interests is what gave us 8 yrs of Bush.
What's another 8 yrs of another failed administration? We'll all be too hungry to care, anyway.
So go ahead and cut your nose to spite your face. We just dont need to know about it.
Yeah lets go McCain man! 4 more years with the Republicans! Neither Democrat will solve the growing threat of Iran. At least with McCain, we know he can contain the problems in the Middle East. He actually got shot down unlike Clinton who LIED about landing under sniper fire and Obama who actually wants to talk to Ahmadinejad.
Senator Obama is not the universal guy. He appears to be a man with a mission and we Clinton supporters have every right to be mad. as most of us just want to field a moderate , experienced candidate. Trying to look cool and with it, many of the super-delegates have and are moving to Obama. This is very much too bad for our country. What the DNC has done does not recognize that Obama lost Florida by just under 300,000 votes in a state where he was on the ballot. Figuring that Democrats will win in the House and Senate how can we be blamed for abstaining or voting for McCain who is at least not a closet radical who may be carrying a deep grudge against most of us.
Nothing will ever be enough for Hillary and her supporters unless she wins – she had equal opportunity to win the election without those states and failed – even with the Clinton "machine". Why should Obama be penalized or even blamed for something completely out of his control?
Do rules mean nothing? if so, do laws mean nothing?
They're bluffing.. I don't believe these idiots at all
I know Hillary said she would support the eventual nominee. That should be predicated on a fair process, not one that is offensive and corrupt. We should not have Barack Obama shoved down our throats.
I would support Hillary running as an independent. She could win the hearts and votes from moderates like myself from all parties, including independent voters.
It's time for a third party to dominate American politics. A party of moderates with the best attributes of both parties. Hillary has the determination to make it happen.
Time for a party change
What is this, grade school?
Eesh. Grow up people. Your just making yourselves look really bad.
Immature.
But then that's what your candidate is being. I bet she's smirking her little smirk and thinking she's all that.
Just stop.
Now that a decision has been made it is time for Hillary to gracefully allow the process to continue. Any more antics on her part will only make her look worse than she already does. If she hopes to pursue her political life, she needs to buck up and face the music. It is time to go home Hillary your train is about to leave the station.
wow...this is just sad...clinton supporters aren't happy because she didnt get 100% of what they want (ergo Obama getting 0) and they are angry? Seriously, this needed a compromise....the elections, especially michigan, weren't legitimate...the democrats in each state, clinton and obama supporters alike, worked on these compromises in order to seat the delegations and instead of unifying the supporters there along with that Ickes seem hell bent on destroying the party because of a delegate compromise in MI....even if they did get their way, 100%, she would still lose...why do this to our chances to win in Nov....
this is sad.
clinton signed an agreement that she would not campaign in Florida and Michigan and that she accepted the DNC ruling that these delegates should not be seated in Denver. Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, so to give her all of the delegates is unrealistic.
If she can't keep her word on this, you can bet her White House would be the same.
If anyone is to blame, blame the states that broke the rules, oh yeah, I think that decision was made by the REPUBLICANS in those states. Wake up people. If Hillary takes this to the credentials committee the dems lose in the fall, so just go vote for McCain, if you do this you are anyway.
Senator Clinton's supporters sound more and more like Karl Rover disciples with their scorched earth mindset.
Michigan and Florida flouted the rules imposed by the DNC and now claim they are being disenfranchised – my children make similar arguments and if I caved in to their demands they would continue to ignore the rules in the future.
Even though I am a life long Democrat, if Senator Clinton sneaks her way into the nomination, my vote and my money will go to support Senator McCain's campaign instead.
Sadly, Senator Clinton's continual moving of the goal posts has tainted her and President Clinton's legacies.
...Can't we all just get along...
There was no way Hillary supporters were going to accept anything shy full deligates for a primary with one candidate ... her. Heck, even the ugly duckling can win with those odds.
Obama has been very gracious to not smother this in Hillary's face. How can she or her supporters respect themselves when everyone accepted to deny Michigan and Florida months before it was an issue. Now that it is the only way Hillary can win, it is unjust and not fair.
Come on. Grow up Hillary supporters. Have some honor and try to look yourselves in the mirror. Can you respect yourselves changing the rules as you go for your own convenience? I couldn't.
For those who would now support McCain, you are traitors to the democratic party, your country and most importantly, your children.
This is crazy....Her campaign has obviously gone kamikaze on this whole thing... Today we probably saw the real beginning of the party divide...This is so stupid...If you wanna chant McCain fine, but don't come crying when Bush the 3rd is in office and none of you people have a job, health care, or food for your children...What idiots...I am so sick of the Clintons and their supporters...Obama can do this without them....And if he can't we can give thanks to Hillary and her ignorant supporters...
Sour Grapes Clinton supporters! These Clinton supporters are only reflecting what the Clinton camp has been preaching since the socalled super Tuesday, POOR LOSERS! Trash supporters of a Trash Candidate! A vote for Clinton was a vote for McCain anyway so nothing has changed.
They should be happy they got anything. The only thing these people care about is Clinton winning. Period. Not the "right" to vote. Not the party. Not winning in November. Just Clinton. The behavior of Clinton's supporters this afternoon should show the Superdelegates that Clinton is a poor choice for the nominee.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Not surprised at the childish behavior of Hillary's supporters at all.
Wow! Did you see those big mouthed women in the committee barely letting the members talk? They reminded me of Clinton and her whining about delegates to get every piece of pie even if it isn't hers. Clinton has lost and needs to face the facts! She is one angry woman who is scorned by her husband and any other man she cannot control. They are both evil and power hungry! They will kill to get what they want! Not to mention the allegations made against them in prior years! Why haven't those been mentioned? OBAMA do not EVER put her on your ticket! She will AX you!
This whole Hillary "movement" is looking more and more like a cult!
Give me Hillary or give me DEATH! Who is going to bring all these angry, misled people back into a reasonable dialog?
I don't know how many of Hillary's supporters are that extreme, but they sure are very loud – and Hillary's inflammatory rhetoric really does not help.
What these fools don't realize is that Hillary Clinton didn't care about their votes not counting until she needed them. The also forget that Clinton as a Senator did nothing to help Florida Reps in January of 2001 officially protest in Congress Bush's electoral votes gained in Florida.
I WISH IT WOULD`NT GO TO THE CONVENTION BUT IF IT DOES IT ALSO WOULD BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WILL BE IN THE HOUSE AND WITH A OVERWHELMING VOICE OR A LARGER MAJORITY TELL HER TO SHUT UP AND GO AWAY. AND BY SOME LUCK SHE GETS ON THE TICKET SHE BE NOTHING BUT A FIGURE HEAD BECAUSE OBAMA WILL IN CHARGE OF ALL THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND WILL VIGOROUSLY FIGHT FOR HIS POLICIES AND NOT HERS.
I completely understand why the Clinton supporters are angry. Being a Florida Democrat, I was pretty peeved myself that it seemed as if our votes won't count. However, our state broke the party's rules that were laid out quite a long time ago, even though our Republican-controlled government was to blame. As such, if any rules or laws are broken, there should be punishment. I think this decision is completely fair and we need to be thankful they gave us half our votes, for they could have left it as it was and gave us none.
Do you believe us now....obama supporters??? The party is spilt thanks to the DNC an Obama. He'll never win without Hillarys supporters, all 17 million of us!
its sadto see people not for the dem party just for the canidate this is when the party should come together but its not about the party its all about the person and it should not be that way
And they call these racist, hate-filled voters Democrats?
Their candidate didn't win, and they either threaten to leave the party or take it out on Sen. Obama, showing their favoritism for Sen. McCain? It doesn't sound like they were members of the Democratic Party in the first place.
Why was the DNC allowed to decide for the people. Thats not what and who the people voted for. It's very clear they are bias.
Those "angry" Clintons supporters really did nothing to further
the sympathy by being so disrespectfull to the DNC rules and
bylaws panel.
That was embarrasing to watch, and I think Clinton should
apologize for sending those ill-mannered people to Washington.
Clinton can state she didnt send them, but all know she was
behind the decision.
Rules are rules, and everyone should be glad the panel even
entertained the thoughts of those that wanted things changed.
It is time to move to November, if the "angry" protesters want
to move to the McCain side – then I guess they will like having
and out of control economy, 4 more years of war and a government
that is run by lobbyists.
The Democratic Party is broken. I won't declare support for John McCain just yet, as frankly that's not particularly rational behavior; however, I will be registering as INDEPENDANT by the time November comes. This is a sad day for the democratic party.
I AM SO DISGUSTED AT THE DNC. THEY TOOK PEOPLE WHO GOT UP TO VOTE AND JUST SPIT ON IT> MOST OF THESE ARE OBAMA PEOPLE AND WORKED THE NUMBERS THAT SUITED OBAMA BEST. I WANT HILLARY TO TAKE THIS AS FAR AS SHE CAN. TO FIGHT THE RULES THAT MAKE IT LEGAL TO RIPE OUT GOOD INTENTIONED PEOPLE>I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA AS I SEE THROUGH HIM AND I NOW WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT VOTE FOR MACAIN. I CAN'T believe that you call yourself the democratic party. If this is democracy then it's time to try something different.
I think this is more than fair and equitable. The rules are the rules and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both agreed to those rules. The fact that the RBC gave virtually all of Florida and Michigan's delegates a half vote is a HUGE concession considering the party rules.
Those of you who threaten and throw childish temper tantrums threatening to vote for McCain this fall, just go ahead. Go ahead and do that but don't come crying to the Democratic party if McCain actually wins in the Fall and you have a far worse housing crisis and more bloody years in Iraq. The blood of our troops and more innocent Iraqi's be on your own selfish stubborn hands. If you vote McCain then you deserve the results. Just go ahead and dig your own graves and then fall into them.
Let me get this straight, Hillary Clinton kitchen sink strategy failed and now it's Obama fault. Hillary you got a lot of work to do, unbrainwashing your crazy voters. Good luck!
Viva la Obama 08!!!!!!
The Clinton campaign is not only damaging their party's chances of winning the general elections, it is also seriously damaging America's global position as the champions of democracy.
What can America's leaders now teach 3rd world sit tight leaders like Mugabe, when someone who is seeking America's highest office will discount laid down rules, and say and do anything to suit a win at all cost objective.
Clinton has fought a good fight and she has lost narrowly to a better candidate. All this shenanigans: " sit all the delegates in FL and Mi" , "i am stronger in the swing states", "i am more electable, cause the whites will vote for me" are diminishing America's democratic leadership credentials globally and rapidly tarnishing the Clinton legacy.
It is obvious Clinton somehow thinks her opponent is somehow unworthy of the position, but democracy says the "people's will counts not yours" and the people have chosen Obama.
Unfortunately the spineless leadership of the Democratic party has substantially lessened the chances that they will win the White House.
it seems to me the superdelegates who supports obama wants obama to win because they want to be in the white house ....even though they know obama dont have much experienced on how to run the country,hhmmm........HILLARY `08
If you want endless war, another war with Iran, higher taxes on employers who offer healthcare, no real economic reform plan, and a do-nothing wasteful government that is antithetical to everything Hillary has fought for, by all means, Go McCain.
The Democrat Party's survival now will depend on which ideology personna will rear-up. General Custer or Mahatma Gandi.
yeah..yeah...yeah...toothless bulldogs. (Yawn)
Even if Hillary had been given everything she wanted down to the letter (which would be impossible without causing chaos in 2012 when all states choose to move up their primaries), they would still be chanting "Let's go McCain" when Obama won the nomination.
The truth is simply that her supporters are sore losers, and are voting with pure emotion and not based off of reason. They are attempting to use their vote as extortion to get their way even when they have lost. It is pathetic.
This should do wonders to further the "emotional female" stereotype. Keep at it. It will be fun to see your "emotion" in a few years when Hillary is an afterthought and McCain appoints two conservative supreme court justices, making the balance 6-3 conservative and leading to the overturn of Roe v. Wade.
Her supporters want everything. For crying out loud they gave her more in both states. I mean comeon they could have just not awarded nobody any like they both agreed to in the first place.
That's because Hillary Clinton is an angry women.
The Republican Party must be rejoicing. I have had this confirmed by so many devout Republicans in Tennessee – I have heard many times over "Obama will never defeat McCain", The Republicans want a McCain Obama contest. . They fear a McCain Clinton contest I seriously question the Obama ability to win the large diverse states they must have to defeat McCain in november
This is a joke! Hillary has won most of the popular vote! Obama should not have been awarded any delegates in Michigan. Dems, you're done in November. McCain will be the next president of the USA. All because of Pelosi and Dean...
I wish the Clinton supporters would get over this and move on and unite with the Obama supporters. She has basically lost the game. The number do not lie. She is really proving that she is a divisive person and not a very nice person. I have lost all respect for she and her husband. The feel that they have an entitlement to this.
Let the handful of Clinton supporters who are too selfish and egotistical to accept the fair compromise put forth by the committee vote for McCain then. There aren't enough of them to make a difference, and we don't need their type of voter anyways.
Also, the amount of noise being made about the "hijacking" of 4 delegates from Hillary is just silly. They each only get half a vote, so Hillary lost just 2 votes as a result of the compromise solution. I'm sure she's going to whine and complain as if those two votes are the reason why she lost the nomination, though.
A lot of people are enraged by how the DNC is handling the Michigan and Florida votes but they forget that all candidates agreed to the rules. Shouldn't all candidates honor them? If this was not the right way to handle this, the opposition to it should have been expressed during deliberations of the rules and not when it fails to favor one candidate's goals.
Team players abide by the rules agreed to by the team. Team players support the team and not their individual objectives.
I will support whoever gets the nomination. It is time for change. Enough of Bush/McBush. It is time to unite.
Both candidates have expressed that they will support whoever gets the nomination. Why can't the rest of us follow?
GO DEMS!
I think we all Hillary supporter going to vote for McCain if their give Obama
a nominee because he is racist campaign in the first beginning until now.
I don't think that's Obama is United American he will be a big divide this
country if he get elect.
punish the democratic leaders, not the people!!!
Whatever. Hillary is going to cry foul unless everything goes her way. She is like the little kid on the playground that gets picked last and then takes the ball and goes home. NOONE WANTS YOU HILLARY. Quit your gripping and go hang out at the local bar and dream of sniper fire at 3 am. Your a joke and only care about yourself.
Wow, and these are the people who criticize Obama for his comment calling people "bitter". These extremist Clinton supporters are the most bitter people I have seen, ever.
If they would seriously vote McCain because Clinton lost, then they don't even believe in Clinton's message. People shouldn't be voting for candidates purely out of spite or because of their sex or race. Pay attention to the platforms of these candidates. If you can vote for McCain, you could not possibly believe in everything Clinton stands for.
Pay attention to what will be best for your country. Does any Clinton supporter truly believe McCain will do better things for this country than Obama? And if you think he will be worse and still vote for him, you are an idiot to be voting at all.
McCain wins!
The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel favored the anointed far left fringe candidate and many Dems, including me, will now vote McCain. It is all about who will be the best president and that is not Obama!
Are we now 5 year olds? C'mon people. Grow up. Clinton gained 24 delegates between two primaries that were supposed to count for zero. Plus 24 is more than she got out of OH, PA, and TX combined. FL & MI broke the rules and had to be punished.
And she is still trailing.........I am so over this whole ordeal. Superdelegates get on your job and do what you should have done some time ago and take a stand on who you are supporting so that we can move forward already. I just think the way that the Democrats hold their primaries is stupid in the first place. Why can't all of the states vote at one time or better yet in a 2 month span or something rather than dragging it out for 5 or 6 months? What is the reason behind it? This needs to be dealt with and we need to move on. All of Hillary's supporters that want to vote for McCain, let them go ahead and do it. They will just suffer for another 4 years because they cant get past someone's skin color, how silly is that? Go on and vote McCain who cares, it will be all on you. You wont be hurting anyone but yourselves and your future generation.
No more shall I be a yellow dog democrat. DNC is not fair.
I don't understand this love for Clinton/hate for Obama, they have very similar policies. I am not a big fan of either but both would be an improvement. As for Michigan, technically Obama should get zero delegates but considering the demographics of the state, there's a good chance he would win let alone get 40% of the vote, and I don't think you can punish a candidate just for being gutless and refusing a revote. In the end all you can really say is they both worked hard at it and Obama came out with the lead.
I guess thats it, plz be rational and vote dem. this fall Hillary supporters.
It is not Sen.Obama fault. It is the DNC rule and even RNC awarded on;y 1/2 delegates - so we are consistent.
Anyway, Where was this escalations and anger before super Tuesday when Sen.Clinton was expected to be the nominee??
where was this anger when DNC and all campaigns agreed to the rule???
where was this anger when Sen. Clinton did not have a strategy for all states?
Sen. Obama played by the rule and campaigned in all states and won more pledged delegates . if super delegates do not like it, then they can select Sen.clinton - it is allowed by rule as well.
why the anger at Sen.Obama ??/ I do not understand.
So if we go and vore for Republican party then we will get a continuation of current policies .
if you are happy with it then go for it - we are democracy and we get what we elect
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It is going to be up to Hillary to help bring the party together. Her not stopping this type of division is the same as condoning it. She needs to convince people to support Obama by the end of next week.
It sounds like the type of crowd you would expect at a high school football game rather than a committee meeting. Is she determined to ruin the Democratic Party? How can any rational person think it's fair that Obama receive no votes from Michigan when he pulled his name from the ballot under the Party's rules. If I also might add, Clinton, and Ickes, both supported these rules before they started to hurt Clinton. Maybe it is time to change, and the change has to be for this nagging irrational bread of Clintonites to grow up.
The angry reactions of the Clinton supporters really saddens me. Michigan and Florida violated rules which had been well known for 2 years. Her supporters' and campaigns' sense of entitlement and willingness to break rules, and create such a divisive atmosphere should scare anyone and makes me even more sure that I support Obama.
What a pathetic Democratic Party, I have never seen so much backstabbing and dishonesty in my life.
Good Decision!
I guess they're right: "Hell hath no fury like" etc. etc....
Thanks, ladies! 1000 years of war, and repeal of roe v wade. That'll teach us men! Brilliant.
Most of these people were not from FL or MI - they are outraged because they won't see a woman as President this time around. They won't find McCain has too much of a femiine side...
Clinton supporters need only to look at their own candidate for blame in this. The increasingly arbitrary and desperate metrics she's been pushing on her supporters have given them false hopes, and (frankly) have distorted their logic. It's all 90% emotion, 10% bad math.
And to those women who were screaming "McCain" today: enjoy your vote, and enjoy all of the "extra-training" he suggests you need to "keep up" with the boys. Also bear in mind: Obama asked his supporters NOT to protest on Sat. You want to see an Obama supporter protest? Got room for, say, 50,000? Don't push it folks. And yes, we will see you in Denver.
I do not understand it. What is it the Clinton supporters expected? Hillary herself said the votes would not count, and the one speaker was absolutely correct when she pointed out that changing the rules in the middle of the game to gain advantage is called "cheating".
Does Hillary not realize that cheating only reflects badly on her personally? Fighting this decision will only serve to put McCain in office. If she cares about any of us as she so steadfastly espouses, then she can show that by gracefully conceding and moving on.
Thank you, DNC rules committee, for not allowing the precedent to be set that your rules are only for those who choose to follow them.
I am not an obama supporter, but I am asking why is it hard to follow the rule that florida and michigan primaries were void in the beginning . If the president wannabe doesn't follow the rules he or she will end up as a bush who has disdain for rule book called constitution.
Finally, I live in a "nation" where "breaking the rule" each time, is rewarded. Levaing my native land to seek peace and "justice" in this land of "opportunity," I have for the first time been let down! I am over 50 years now, consistenty taught my kids to follow "all rules" agreed to, in any setting that they find themselves. Today, my kids reminded me that such a nation simply does not exist. The "fortunate" always wins! Hillary has won, by forcing the DNC to reward her even a single vote, after she had made a pledge "not to take any votes" from MI and FL!
I hope Hillary takes it to the convention. There was a deal to have a re-vote in Michigan and lobbyist employed by Obama "convinced" the state legislature not to allow the re-vote. Sounds similar to his old tactics in Chicago (i.e. his first election for the state senate) when he got all the other candidates disqualified so he was the only one voters could vote for. Presently, I unfortunately think he has the nomination wrapped up. I guess I will vote Mccain. An American Hero sounds better then a deceptive fool.
Thank you Hilllarious supporters for turning a very informative hearing into a circus. You are thanked for your raucious behavior. You should be shamed. A real Hillary supporter wouldn't be questioning this decision. Only Ickeyness clones...buh bye.
Fair decision for breaking the law. And they are still upset. God, enough is enough. When are the Clinton's supporters happy? If it is on thing it is the other. Let them vote for McCaine, another four years of who knows what SICKENING!!
Republicans are having fun.
These fools chanting "Denver, Denver" are playing right into the Republican's hands.
Most of them are probably being paid by the Republican party to be there and pose as Hillary Democrats
Its funny how hillary supporters speak with such hate and anger like the person thats winning done something wrong I dont like all that negative crap yall bring to the table any way yall do more damage than any thing else...you ever thought about that? Obama played by the rules and still won, and if we start thowing out the rules then why have them if we aint going to use them? and by the way she signed off on them because she thought she was going to be BILL"S 3RD TERM LOL
McCain 2008.
What a joke! So we give votes to someone that wasnt even on the ballot. He was on, took his name off, tried to get it back on. Another Kerry Flipflopper! What about Edwards? Shouldn't some of those votes hve counted towards him? What about the other candidates? To think that they would all have voted for Obama just reinforces the elitist attitude of his campaign. This is why the Dems will lose again. They had this election in the bag and now just keep shooting themselves in the foot.
If McCain takes his name off of the ballot, will they fight just as hard to give him the votes that dont go for Obama?
Next, we will hear how the Clinton supporters will hold their collective breath until the Democratic party yields to their demands.
Thank God I am an independent.
I think it is a fair solution. Its seem to be the only logical solution. Are clinton supports that angry that will GO McCain because it was split down the middle. Democrats turning REPLUBICAN overnight seems so childish and ridiculous to do such a thing. ITS THEIR WAY OR NO WAY. No one person is bigger than the BIG PICTURE. I am DEMOCRAT TIL THE END NO MATTER HOW THE END MAY BE
"I'm a Clinton supporter and NOT happy with this decision. Hillary should have gotten ALL of Michigan's delegates with ALL the votes! Truth be told, she was the only one that had her name on the ballot in that state! Obama conveniently did not put his name on the ballot, therefore he should get NO DELEGATES from that state! Looks like the DNC is obviously biased in favour of Obama. "
HI JOSH YOU ARE BRAINWASHED. AND CLEARLY DIDN"T WATCH CSPAN TODAY. DEADHEAD WAKEUP!
Harold Ickes needs a muzzle. His unctious claims are going nowhere except to further polarize Clinton supporters.
For a logical mind, it is hard to understand why should Senator Clinton's supporter complain about Floria and Michigan. Everyone agreed to rules. If someone can not play by rules, how could you trust him / her to run the country. Was it not a lesson learnt in last seven years?
IF CLINTONS SUPPORTERS NOW LOVE WAR AND HATE HEALTHCARE, THEN THEY CAN VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
OBAMA IS THE NOMENEE FOR THE "DEMOCRATIC" PARTY !!!
HE IS THE OPPOSITE TO MCCAIN.
Congratulations president Obama! The DNC was fair. The Clinton's should have seen it coming and supported Obama. If up to now Hillary doesn't realize that she has lost, then when Jesus Christ comes, Hillary might not recognize him.
Knock yourself out! Rip off your eyes to spite your face.
We are tired of the thuggish behaviour of Clinton and aides trying to hold the party to ransom. If it were the other way round,clintons will never let one vote count in both Mich and Florida to give Obama any boost.
If you vote McCain, everybody and our children and Grandchildren will suffer the consequences over the years, we will be 10-20yrs backwards.
Those who voted in Michigan and Florida are not more American than those who did not vote there because they were told their votes wont count. Also Michigan and Florida cannot go unpunished as 48 other states obeyed the rules.Why should 2 states disobey and act like the 48 others are stupid!!!!!? The truth is bitter.
Democratic Party 08/12
Liberal CNN posters will now claim that the same Republicans who troll on these blogs, claiming to be dissatisfied Hillary supporters now voting for McCain, were in Michigan and Florida today, chanting "Let's Go McCain!"
Guess what. Neither claim is right. Hillary supporters are peeved and they will not be supporting Obama come November.
Wow the Clinton people would really rather destroy the party than unify to beat the republicans. So sad so sad...
The major candidates agreed to the fact that the DNC rules were violated. As a consequences, the votes were not going to count. This was even before both election was held. To you Clinton Supporters, this is something even Senator Clinton Agreed to then. Now that it was apparent that she was loosing, she wants the rules that she agreed to play by from the beginning changed in the fourth quarter of a game, with 30 seconds to go so that only her practice shots would count.
If the DNC bye rules committee had done what she wanted, it would have been immoral, undemocratic,irresponsible, and a violation of the rules which the DNC itself had set fourth at the beginning of the race. This would amount to stealing the nomination. What the DNC did was even bending over backward to accommodate some of her request in the interest of party unity, and that of the people of Florida, and Michigan. Any reasonable human being having observe the transparency of this committee, one would come to one conclusion that the committee was fare. Non of the candidates got all what they wanted. What was important was for most reasonable viewer to leave with a sense that the committee was fare and impartial.
The world is watching. This sent a clear message to the world that the democratic party accommodates those not just by the corridors of power, but outside of it. It also say one thing loud and clear-those who play by the rules will not be penalized for playing by the rules, even when they are playing against the Clinton's. No one is above the rules of the game.
Benard-Victorville, Ca
Just ruining her party
If Clinton supporters are so upset that HRC lost that they will vote for McCain, I say let them.
The decision by the DNC not to allow all of the delegates from florida and michegan to be seated must be challenged in order to allow the democtratic choice of the people in both states to prevail. The DNC in it's actions has done little to unite the party but has done a lot in helping to divide it even further. We must overturn the DNC's ruling by making the case for all of the delegates from both states to be seated.
sad to see racism from take it's toll on the democratic party.
This is intolerable and obnoxious. The fact is, these states broke the rules, and the DNC is letting them off easy with his compromise. I don't think these people understand that even IF Hilary had gotten all the votes, it would still be nearly impossible to reach the nomination. If we want to beat Mccain and progress as a country, and as a world, we need to unite as a party and end this drawn out, desperate battle. It is giving Mccain the advantage.
Obama '08
Our last hope.
Time to packup HIllary.. and Bill... It is not the individuals but the time honoured values that matter. America is a land of laws and don't break it. It is a shame to see such rowdy-ism in politics... Let us unite behind Obama and win the election. I have a lot of admiration for your tenacity but the thought of having you as a President sends shiver down the spine...
I believe the Florida and Michigan solution was the best posible without having a new election. A new election would have been by far preferable. If any state's election is held against a party's rules again, I hope caucuses could be held. That could be done even if a state's legislature voted against holding a party nominating election within the rules set up by that party.
Im one of those that voted in Florida that feels that way. Since the DNC thinks Im half of a person, and thinks it okay to take away delegates away from Hillary due to "exit polls" well lets just say Im an independant now and I will vote in November and write her name in!
I watched the hecklers on CNN Saturday afternoon. They should be ashamed of themselves. I noticed they were mostly women who have obviously lost any sense of perspective. Yes, there was and is sexism at work in this campaign. But it was Clinton who chose to go negative, and the Clintons and their supporters who began the nasty turn towards a "kitchen sink"ful of racism. It did have some effect in helping her win states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. But it also lost her a lot of credibility by simply reinforcing a lot of the sexist stereotypes that have dogged her. Hillary needed to be smarter than this, and more principled. As a middle-aged white feminist, I am ashamed of the way my sisters are behaving and ashamed of the way "our" candidate ran her campaign. This is not what feminism is about. Hillary lost because she ran a poor campaign. Her supporters need to realise this. Go Obama!
we have to accept the truth,justice and fairness all are loosers and all are winners why should we fight over a nominee rather than looking at the competetor backward never forward ever if the law was broken by the two states and democracy allows voice less be satified coz at first we refused and ignored the two states for breaking the laws but coz of democracy and for peace, love procperity a decision has been arrived at less show other parties democracy and save our beloved country not because of the title or seat but the current economic social stress we are going thru coz of not wanting to listen but believe what is not factual my status it is fair mind about the future and yoour sibling less fight a war of a change hope and prosperity
Oh well... Go Obama!
And politics win again. When will "WE the people" be heard? If I vote for someone, why, why does it just not count as a vote. I do not need a proxy to interpret what I might really be voting for. For you politicians out there that means I can pull a lever or press a button for myself and I don't need someone to sit in a conference hall and do it for me. Past time to overhaul the voting system here on the good 'ol US of A. I can vote for myself thank you grandaddy or granmomma statesperson!! Get rid of all the delegates and JUST COUNT MY VOTE!!!!
Hillary supporters are really poor losers. If their kids in some contest in school were cheated out of victory because someone fought against pre-set rules, they would be all up in arms.
Rules are in place for a reason. And they want fair treatment.
Let's consider this, for her to say count Michigan votes that voted for her but not anyone else because she was the only one on the ballot and no one else was, is that in the spirit of fair play? That's not American, and if her supporters don't see the wrong in that, they are not real Americans.
If Bill Richardson, and other Clinton loyalites are going to Obama, what does that say?
Her play for Michigan just proves that Clinton does not play on the side of right, which is where America once used to be, and where we need to be again.
Obama '08. Restore America, to America.
I concur,
Let's go McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I have been a democrat so far. And I los t all sympathy for the GOP after seeing what happened to Gore. Sadly now I see the same thing happening to Senator Clinton. It has been the very subversion of democracy the party has lamented about thats been happening. The way the media and Senator Obama's campaign has worked for him seemed like he was being imposed like an exceptional law, like an emergency law. People finally dont like their choices being dictated by anybody. The media should have remained neutral and if Obama was so good as they claim, people would have gone for him. But it is too late now. For it has been going on for a long time. Convictions have been formed. So I will vote for McCain, so will all my friends, unless Senator Clinton is the presidential nominee. Because we care for this country, and therefore we care for democracy. Its easier for Obama to be a V.P. He should do that if he cares for the party and the country, rather than lose this election.
I am so feminist. But without being one I have been amazed the way she was treated. Thats statement from Sen. Obama about Sen. Clinton's historic campaign is disparaging and an attempt at belittling her as a woman who also ran. We can only hope the country will not feel another moment of disillusionment. It can be very bad for our Democracy.
So. If you do not get your first choice, choose someone who is ANTI choice , will pack the Supreme court to overthrow Roe? How irrational can these recruited demonstrators be? But of course, these are a small minority.....The two Democratic candidates share most of the same stands on issues. McCain shares little with either. He is hardly a feminist.
The spoils ot politics – some one has to win! Howard Ickes sould not been allow to sit this meeting. He is not a fair or just person. Showed how much him or Hillary cares about the voters in Michigan or Florida.
Shame on him!
That is exactly what I am going to do too! If no Hillary as the nominee then it's McCain for me! Obama can't change what HE DID TO HIMSELF by attending such a horrible racial & hate filled church for 20 years and now think if he quits it then he can save himself. NO WAY! He has proven this is what he believed in so now he will live with it. I will NEVER vote for him & I am not going to "calm down" as you people (CNN commentators) keep saying we will do! NO NEVER! And, the worst part is I have always voted as a Demorcrat all of my voting life & as a UAW Rep. but I will have no choice if left with this evil and unknown man to choose from. I wish they would give this A LOT of thought & give us Hillary to vote for if the Dem's want to win. Please go read the blog at Hillary's site & see how many more are voting for McCain too! Highly unjust decision made by the DNC which was NOT a constitutional decision. They should be ashamed of themselves! I am for them.
If Obama loses the General Election, the democrats will have to introspect on what went wrong, when the mood in the country was favorable for them. This decision on Florida and Michigan could probably rank high in the list of mistakes made by the democrats.
Rules are Rules were Rules were "Rules".
Before:
Hillary and Barack both agreed to NOT seat any delegates from MI and/or FL. Rules were broken – go on youtube and see clips where Hillary agrees. AGREES !!!
Now: (Magic wand)
Both those states have representation...
AND Hillary have got more delegates there then Barack – so I do not understand why her supporters are crying?
Summary:
Hillary (FL, MI) > Barack (FL, MI) > "zero"
Hillary (cry) = ???
Has Mrs. Clinton seen the exit polls? It would appear that what she is claiming that is more electiable than Obama, then why did she need the DNC to start counting FL, and MI votes? Hillary must answer this question. Do we want or need a person like this in office? What will she do when congress, senate, or other countries don't do what she wants them to do; try to change the rules?
It's amazing to see the reaction of clinton supporters. They just can't believe it's over for hillary. obama played his game well & stuck to the rule's. He has managed a very successful campaign in the history of US presidential election's. He has also impressed alot of people around the world with his message of CHANGE & HOPE. It's time for new politics& new beginings.
GO OBAMA..& GOD BLESS.
The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee was very fair and kept to the rules. This was done for the voters of Michigan and Florida. To hell, with Howard Ickes and Hillary Clinton. Poor losers that is all I can say.
What a show they put on very loud ,noisey ,nasty mouthed viewed by their actions .
H.Ickes loud mouth w/ dirty words in full view and on TV .
Is an example of what happens when breaking rules or changing rules to suit yourself in the middle of the game .
Any woman who really wants to vote for "100 years in Iraq' and a Supreme Court that is guaranteed to overthrow Roe v Wade has the right to do so.
I truly doubt that there are many of them (being a woman, myself) but for those that do exist, then they'll deserve precisely what they'll get with McCain.
Unreasoning anger is a destructive thing and has no place in the democratic process BUT it is apparent that it's there. Most women, I'm glad to report, are not so intractable or overwrought.
The first thing Florida and Michigan Democratic voters need to consider is who they elected statewide to represent them! While we should be saddened that the decision over Florida and Michigan delegates had to come to a hearing in order to reach a decision, there has to be some kind of penalty for breaking party rules. If every state can just do whatever it wants, then all voters are doomed.
Florida, in particular, has a history of voting problems–remember the hanging chads of 2000?!?! Therefore, every Florida voter (Democrat or Republican) should have been extremely cautious about who they voted for at the local and state level–these folks who make the decisions closest to home.
The voters of Florida and Michigan are suffering because of their elected officials, but they need to face the reality that Hillary Clinton did not have any problem with the Democratic Party's sanction of Michigan and Florida for violating the rules until she needed those states' delegates in order to clinch the nomination.
What these cult Clinton people dont understand is that the Michigan outcome was a COMPRIMISE as in both Clinton and Obama didnt get what they wanted.
The fact is that Obama's name wasnt on the ballot, so they made the right choice by giving some (not half like Obama wanted) to him. Florida was completely fair although I wish they restored 100% of the delegates power.
Im voting for whoever is our candidate in 08, and if you dont because your bitter over the primary season then keep in mind your voting to kill more US troops, overturn Roe V Wade, and plunge our economy even deeper into recession.
lets take it to the convention then. If Hillary's not the nominee then..........."Let's go, McCain"
Boy did them dems make themselves look foolish today on national television. Welcome your new president of the United States ... John McCain!
That was downright pitiful discrediting and punishing the voters in Florida and Michigan. You would think that the Democratic party would have had their stuff together in order to not allow a state hold it's primaries outside of the parties own rules. What a bunch of idiots. Certainly not the type of leadership i want running our country.
One Nation Under GOD!
I hate to say it, but I called this after New Hampshire: 2008 will be the new 1968 if Dems screw it up as bad as they have.
Good job, Dems. Biggest footbullet of all time. You just gave the general election to McCain. All you had to do was accept the 69-59 solution in Michigan. By my count, Obama is only 52 delegates away from clinching the nomination....the 69-59 would have handed him the nomination without as much backlash as the half-vote solution. Now the Clinton supporters are going to accuse you of stealing votes; if you let 69-59 stay, then you could have washed your hands of the matter, because it was a MICHIGAN plan, not yours.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to start preparing myself for 4 more years of Bush Lite.
Goodnight Hillary! Now you can step away from the table and have some nachos. You dont have to go home, but you definately have to leave here.
Do we find any link between the Catholic priest's mocking of Clinton and the claim that "Don't Steal my vote"? Any democratic process that is not guided by rules respected by all is not democratic.
If Mugabe organises elections, and decides which results to accept and which to reject based on rules that suit him alone, do we call that democracy? If yes, then let America leave Mugabe alone and why not pay the price for Saddam's Hussein's death.
We believe the media especially CNN and Fox news are not doing America any good.
People like Rebecca Sinderbrand and the others in Fox need to put this country's interest at heart when they write some of their reports. When you pour petrol in fire what do you expect. America's situation is quiet fragile and need real patriots to handle it.
I pray God really guides Americans during this time when people who seek to destroy America from within are not listened to by fellow American.
Thank you
IM SORRY TO SAY THIS BUT IM VOTING MCCAIN TOO IF HILLARY DOESNT WIN....ITS NOT A JOKE NOR A THREAT BUT JUST THE TRUTH
What do they expect? That the leading candidate just gives up and walks away?
With some intelligence this result could already have been seen weeks ago...
The fact that Hilary only received 55 percent of the votes in Michigan by being the only person on the ballot says a lot. The fact that 44 percent of the people that voted would rather vote for someone else says even more. That means that people took time from their lives to vote for no one rather than vote for Hilary. These people went and voted knowing that there was only one person on the ballot and still didn't vote that one person.
Could someone explain to me: are some of Clinton's supporters upset because they think that the division of Michigan delegates was unfair, and that Clinton should have received more than she did? Or are they upset because they think that Obama should not have received any Michigan delegates? The former I understand, but the latter seems completely unreasonable, considering that the idea is to have people;s votes counted, and clearly many people did not vote for Clinton.
Really, all these divisions within the party pale beside the differences both candidates have with McCain. Why can't some people see that? I am an Obama supporter, but I would vote for Clinton in a second if she won the nomination. Calling each other "Obamabots" and "Hillbots" and trying to judge the candidates by their supporters does nothing to help the thousands of soldiers and millions of Americans who are suffering because of Bush's policies–policies that both Clinton and Obama intend to change and that McCain has vowed to uphold.
First things first.
(1) Hillary supporters who cheer McCain on are crazy idiots. Sorry about being so blunt, but the fact that they want to belong to the party of Hoover, Nixon, McCarthy, David Duke, Larry Craig and Mark Foley (you know, the typical Republicans) does not speak to their intellectual abilities or clarity of mind.
Now with that out of the way, let get to a more important point, namely:
(2) In Michigan and Florida, Hillary engaged in vote suppression.
Yes, that's right, VOTE SUPPRESSION.
Think about it. First, the Democratic party tell voters that Florida and Michigan primaries are not real and, in Hillary Clinton's own words(!), are "not going to count for anything".
Then all major candidates remove their names from the ballot in Michigan, except one. Yes, the crafty Hillary kept her name on. It was all planned by her and her buddies McAuliffe and Ickes who stripped FL and MI of all their delegates.
So, of course, hundreds of thousands of regular people trusted the party, trusted Hillary, and stayed at home, and did not vote.
But now Hillary says the primary was real. She fooled them all. She DISENFRANCHISED them. She SUPPRESSED their vote.
She should not have gotten a single delegate of the unfair FL and MI contests, and only through her total lack of conscience and Obama's gentlemanly gesture of reconciliation, does she gain the 24 unfair delegates from her Florida and Michigan vote suppression scheme.
Who in their right mind would vote for such a dreadful person? Yuck.
Sane people support and vote for Obama.
For a Party which yelled so loudly to Count All The Votes in Gore v. Bush, I am aghast as to how the Party leaders can hypocritically dismiss the votes of Michigan and Florida. The voters of these states were not the ones who decided to move their primaries earlier. It was their Party leaders. Why will the Democratic National Convention Committee now punish the voters who took time out of their lives to cast a vote, a fundamental privilege of our society? The best scenario would have been a re-vote next week, and then punish these states in the next voting cycle instead. Punishing them in the next cycle will allow time for the voters of each state to fully reflect and absorb and perhaps call for a change in their primary process. Why punish the voters now when it is not their fault? Why not re-vote and COUNT ALL THE VOTES?
Also, people who say they are Clinton supporters who will vote for McCain if Obama wins the Democratic primary, don't really believe in the principles of the Democratic Party. The Supreme Court is already leaning too far to the right, in my opinion. Do you want a conservative President picking the next Supreme Court justices or a liberal President. Let go of the hysteria and think about what would happen to our country if we continue with Bush policies through McCain.
The DNC really didn't have to do anything, but it appears they felt compelled to do something, and they did. I question Senator Clinton's motives and it appears she more for herself than for the people. For the good of the party, Senator Clinton should have accepted the reality of the situation and made a gracious exit from the race. I often have doubted her sincerity, so perhaps she doesn't do gracious very well either.
I'm Canadian and it's very important for our world who will be the next President of the United States. If I was an American I would vote for Senator Obama and would encourage everyone I met to do the same.
He will be a fabulous President!!
More like bitter Clinton supporters. I watched those whole meeting on CNN and these have to be some of the rudest people on the planet. They break the rules and some how they still think it's all about them. Sounds like the candidate they are supporting. Half the delegates was generous, personally, I don't think they should have gotten any. After seeing the type of people at that meeting, now I know why Florida can never get a voting session right.
Don't forget the threats to go to the convention and supporting McCain. Maybe they don't realize this is not a beauty contest. We have people losing their lives based on a lie, people losing their homes, jobs, can't afford to support their families and this is what the democratic party has to deal with? Hillary played her part in this and fueled their anger with lies and deception. If they vote for McCain in November, let them get what they deserve when life gets even harder for them.
We would not be in this mess if Hillary would have simply followed the rules. Hillary knew something like this would happen. She put this card in her pocket at the beginning of the race, just in case things didn't go her way. I am very disappointed in Hillary's behavior as well as her supporters. How do you reconcile the votes of the people who decided to stay home. Let's grow up..
Obama '08
The DNC is spineless! This election was rigged from the beginning....Mr. Obama had to sign a waiver KNOWING taking the name off the MI ballot would mean he would get NO votes, and write ins would be invalid. THOSE ARE THE RULES!!!
Guess he ONLY obeys rules when it suits him!
By hook or crook and your not still getting it billary!!........The fat lady is singing uh ohhhhhh uhhhhhh ................. hMmMm
Did Alice Hunter betray Hillary Clinton by voting for the compromise in Florida? Yes she did. More than 1 700 000 voters are the best and most secury "Gallup" ever made.
It astounds me to think that Clinton supporters would give Obama no delegates from Michigan just because no-one told him to remove his name from the ballot, when the party itself said the vote would be invalid prior to the vote. It astounds me that Clinton supporters would then claim 73 votes to none for Obama, after Clinton herself said before the vote that the vote should not count. They speak of fairness and unity - their proposals would split the party forever if adopted. Do they really and truly believe that the Michigan voters, who they so indignantly proclaim must be heard and counted, would be correctly represented by such a scenario? It's greed and power hunger, nothing more.
If the two states had followed the rules to start with this would not be an issue.They tried and they got punished.Move on to the general election and take back the WHITE HOUSE !!!!!!!!!
YES WE CAN OBAMA 08 !!!!!!!
Can you say re-registering as a Republican tommorow!
Hillary 08 now being forced to vote for McCain!
Let Hillary's suppoter go to McCain – get over it and move on! Grampa McCain is a loser also! Have 4 more years of Bush,
Aren't you all jumping the ship before it sails?
Most Democract party leaders are a bunch of irresponsible leader. As a democract, I would say: Bill gave is glory. I would like to see it replay again. But anti-war left streamest like Dean and Kelly wanted to install Obama to affirm their miscalculations on war. When there's no war, US would lose its super power in the world. We didn't have to get into war. But once we are in it, US can't give its role as world police. Without that role, it can't compete with the rest of the world. We will lose our access to natural resources like oil. Bradley effect will put McCain into white house and democract will lose this opportunity for good. We, the moderate democract, will fight on and might even cross party line in general election. Go McCain after Cliton is down!
THIEF WILL NEVER BE RESPECTED!
Hillary is the real deal, she is the ONLY ONE for our nation!
DNC leaders, our nation is more important than the party. 17 million of Hillary supporters are staying behind her ALL THE WAY!
SEEING IS BELIEVING! A Hillary democrats revolution just begin, our voices are louder than ever!
HILLARY IS OUR ONLY PRESIDENT!!!!!!!
Looks like the DNC alloted the most delagates they could under the rules. Hope all the Hillary supporters will realize that and stop hating!!
Allowing a flawed and unfair primary process to be validated according to Clinton would have violated the bedrock principles of our democracy. YES, count, consider and recognize all the votes that were and would have been casted in a sanctioned and fair process. In a true democracy, the process to cast a vote weighs more than the vote itself.
I'm a Michigan Democrat who voted in the primary and I'm DISGUSTED with the Democratic Party right now! HOW DARE YOU ONLY COUNT HALF MY VOTE! I am NOT HALF a voter! COUNT MY VOTE! MY ***FULL*** VOTE!!!! I PROMISE I will NOT vote for the Democratic ticket in the fall if my Democratic primary vote is not counted, IN FULL!!!!!
I think it's completely rediculous how stubborn the Clinton supporters are being. Both cantidates are superb for the nomination and to lead our nation as our president. Senator Obama and Senator Clinton's views are practically identical to each other. It's astonishing on how divided the democratic party is right now. We need to realize that we shouldn't be fighting each other; we should be fighting to bring respect to the United States of America and to help her citizens flourish in honor. Hopefully Clinton will step down and hand the nomination to Obama. Then we could see an Obama/Clinton ticket for the fall!
Go McCain and Go you know where else while you are at it!
Hillary Supporter praising McCain? Come on, this is a joke. I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter whether you're a Clinton or Obama supporter... if you vote for McCain b/c one or the other doesn't get it... that is fake. Clinton and Obama have a lot in common policy wise (almost identical). McCain and Obama, or McCain and Clinton have almost nothing in common.
Funny, the more I meet and speak to Hillary supporters more it reminds me of the developing world mentality of a familiar name to cure all ills .. gandhi, bhutto, bandaraniake .... the list goes on and now the same stageshow will begin here .. sad but then politics is not about the service but the service charge .. Have to give it o Hillary for being more polished than the native version in India called Rabri Devi, but in the end its all the same , powerful husbands playing proxy power games.
Hope America smarts up rather than dumbs down!!
~ very thoughtful bihari
I am confused by the argument made today by the members of the rules comity that we had to" Respect the rights of the voters who did not vote because they were told it wouldn't be counted" when there were record turnouts in both Florida and Michigan. Doesn't that discount their argument? They spent all day to decide what they had already made their mind up on before they went in. They took votes that were cast by the voters for Hillary Clinton and just gave them to obama .I thought voting was the right of the people what they have done can not be legal you can not take votes and redistribute them that is undemocratic and un-American Hillary should sue the democratic party and run as an independent.
I am usually a good judge of character and i feel it in my heart that when all of the truths about obama come out people will begin to see through his rhetoric and realize that the emperor has no clothes.
You cant close a closer because a closer can recognize a pitch and all obama has is a good pitch. There is no substance or consistency in his message all you have to do is look past the image that they are selling.
Any one who votes republican because of this decision wasn't a real democrat to begin with. Clinton and Obama's policies are 95% the same.
Democrats 08!!
It's the blatant mistake of the DNC CRB for destroying the confidence of the people to the party, instead of uniting it's dividing because so many Floridans and Michigan's people were frustrated with their decision. The CRB must admit their mistake and give the people's will by seating all delegates from their states. It is easy to ask forgiveness to few delegate members than to start courting again million of people to support their nomninee. Their concern must focus on the people not to their supported candidate if they want unity among the party members. In this process, the voice of the people had been rejected, their decision falls to their preference and backing up of their candidate.
Anyone who says that they're voting for McCain is their candidate doesn't receive the nomination is nothing more than a spoiled child. Grow up! This is bigger than your wanting Clinton to be President. So go ahead, vote for McCain, see what that'll get you.
Maybe Clinton and her supporters should have fought for Health Care in 1994 this hard and we would have it by now!!!
I don't get it. Today Clinton netted about 23 delegates from bogus primaries, and her supporters are complaining? They must be insane. They got what they asked for minus 4 delegates and they're complaining? Clinton should distance herself from these selfish, undemocratic followers of hers.
The Obama campaign has done a terrible job in trying to unite the party. Obama is doing victory laps around Hillary Clinton while Clinton is still campaigning. At least John McCain had the decency to treat Huckabee with respect the last few days of their primary season.
No wonder Clinton supporters are going over to McCain. If Obama thinks he can get to the whitehouse without treating Clinton with respect than I'm giving my vote to John McCain.
It really disgusts me to see grown adults acting like children.
And you people wonder WHY our society is like it is. Just look at how RACIST these Clinton Supporters truely are. By the way, I AM WHITE.
Talk about DISRESPECTING someone. THESE Clinton supporters have to be the MOST DISRESPECTFUL people ON THE PLANET.
WE, meaning MOST EVERYONE we know, WILL NOT BE VOTING for THE CLINTON'S.....
AGAIN "the Clinton's" are CHANGING the meanings of words and twisting the words to suit their agenda.
REMEMBER Monica Lewinski, Bill Clinton and the meaning of SEX and what the word IS really means.
These so called Democrats would rather vote for McBush than Obama? If that's the case..........THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.
that's just sad. i understand being angry at the process, but "let's go mccain?" the only thought that comes to mind is that racism still exists in America.
The hardcore Hillary contingent has no interest in party unity, a vote that represents the will of the people, common sense, or in a serious way the direction of the country.
I think it is readily apparent that they will in some part or another act like petulant children and take their marbles and go home. I'd extend any and all olive branches to those who place the nation above personal preference or a dream deferred but to those who would rather continue to see the country run deeper in the ditch with a hollow ambition for some future triumph and redemption...GOOD RIDDANCE!!! BYE BYE!!!!
It is better to lose with honor in pursuit of the correct path than to sell your soul to win. That kind of win robs one of all victory because you have sold out all worth fighting for. So, scream, threaten, pout, lie, and act against all you have fought for but the party and the nation will be much healthier without you.
If that is nasty, immature, or rude then so be it, but no candidate is worth all of these tactics. An issue, some central belief, or a question of vision I could understand taking to the convention but all of this over a person is nuts.
Clinton still losses (or fails to win, how ever you choose to see it), even by her own fantasy rules. So, how can any group that calls themselves Democrats that act and threaten to tear the party apart over a candidate with few substantive policy differences than their candidate? It doesn't wash and if that's how much you believe in the significance of the platform and taking the nation into a positive and sustainable direction, then we differ so much that you add nothing to the party.
It is also very hypocritical that many of those that were the most outspoken are the very people responsible for creating this mess in the first place by voting to follow through with McAuliffe's visionless "nuclear option". Yes, it's very strange that so many of those that feel the strongest about "principles" on the rules committee contributed so mightily to taking them away when it suited them.
When pressed on this the response seems to be that no one could have had the foresight to predict how this election would turn out.
My question is why one needs prescience to apply their principles?
Right thinking Americans will see through this and they will also remember all of this in 12, 16, 20, and beyond.
It simply amazes me that the pro-Clinton ralliers would make such a statement such as "Go McCain". Do these people really see the big picture? They would rather cross partisan lines to vote for a candidate who wants to keep on with Bush-era policies on the economy and war than to vote for another democrat simply because they wouldn't get her nomination? Wake up people, you may want this woman in office, but don't let that person who keeps dividing the Democratic party by this hold out cloud the direction of where we need to go as a country by voting for McCain.
Clearly, these people are Clinton supporters first, Democrat second, and rational thinkers last.
My my my! This reminds me of the GOP battles in Virginia. The Democrats have started to eat their young. There is no hope. Surrender Hillary before it is too late!
So they get their way and have the states votes counted then they complain about that!? Seriously, I really don't know what to say anymore, I guess Clinton advisers want to keep this party divided and in the end I think they just want to leave Obama with little support from her voter base. Well I don't think that'll be accomplished but I'm sure they'll try that. Whatever happened to this so called "unity" they had in mind before the committee decided how to seat the states. Why is it now that the states are being seated they STILL complain..In my opinion neither state should have been seated until another primary for each state was conducted but we can credit several people for stopping that including some people in my candidates campaign. Do I feel regret for them stopping it? No not really, because we don't deserve the votes in my opinion because we broke the rules.
I am a Hillary Clinton supporter, but overall I am a democrat. I think the ruling was fair giving the circumstances that both states broke the rule by moving up their primary. We all were taught to play by the rules, and not change the rules in the middle of the game. Even if Senator Clinton was giving all the delegates she would still behind. It’s sadly unfortunate to hear people saying that they will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. I hope those people can think about the issues and what is at steak come November. Both Senators Clinton and Obama agree in most issues, and both are great candidate either one will be a great President compared to Bush or McCain. I hope we all work together to win in November.
Let's be honest.. Those Clinton supporters would only have been satisfied if the committee gave Hillary 100% of the delegates in both states, none to Obama, and then a few extra to make sure she got the nomination.
They don't care about fairness, they just want their candidate to win no matter what. They consider any other outcome "stealing the nomination".
Good Lord, grow up.
its really amazing what is happening in the democratic party right now.But what baffles me most is what senator clinton is doing and saying now too. She agreed to all the decisions that were made about michigan and florida in january when she was winning, and now that she is looosing she is crying and sobbing and calling for a full reinstatement, its really a shame . she and her husband are gradually destroying the democratic party, No single individual is greater than the party, So let her do the wise thing, and run an honest and a faithful run.
Oh! Clinton supporters just dont get it. There's no way she can close the deal at this point. About time they took a reality pill. Obama 08.
How can you punish the people fo what their leaders decide. All my life I have heard "Vote, it's your right, your privilege." Now you want to only count half/ That sounds like something from a third world country to me. Come to think of it, at the rate this country is going, we may be a third world country before long.
The dems need to move on now. Clintons need to be with the party and support Obama in his presidential bid. Perhaps they can try for a bid in 8 years. They have already been in the white house for 8 years, now its time for a change.
Poor Hillary... boo hoo!
It has been over for SOOO long. The Committee members came to a very fair conclusion considering all the difficult concerns involved for the voters and the party. This workz. Game over.
Whatever Hilary supporters move over to McCain in the fall deserve to be voting for McCain... closet republicans just like Hillary. What a bunch of imbeciles. Ruin our country because you favorite little candidate doesn't get the nomination? Good job geniuses.
There's no doubt that Hilary supporters will even vote for W. Bush if the General Election wasbetween Bush and Obama.
Harold Ickes should be ashamed of himself. He is a member of the Democratic Rules Committee and his role in the discussion and vote on Saturday was to be UNBIASED as he and the other members of the committee worked to create a compromise for Florida and Michigan. If he and Hilary continue down the warpath they created on Saturday, we can just all sit down and let McCain win the general election.
Both the Obama and Clinton campaigns agreed early on that the votes in Florida and Michigan would not count. It was only after Hilary was losing that she changed her mind and started a war within the Democratic Party. Hilary should be thankful the DNC decided to give her any part of the Florida and Michigan delegates. Hilary – sit down and act like an adult for a change. Let the Democratic Party survive.
Hilary is NOT concerned about the American people – she is concerned about the POWER she wants!!!
Sue
I think that Obama would in any event win the nomination. I he were to support full representation by Michigan and Florida he would be viewed as a statesman by both sides and unify the party behind him.
The Clinton camp is well informed on the rules of democracy and should try to stick to those rules. If their candidate, a wife of the former president, cannot respect rules drawn up by her and the party she is affiliated in, how then will she be able to respect the constitution of the United States of America? I am an independent and speaking with an independent mind. The Clinton's are unfair. The Rules and bylaws committee has over done it becuase those primaries were not legitimate. The delegation should have been sitted with no, half or full voting right and the delegates allocated equally to both candidates. The best option was to re-run the primaries. They should apologies to the American people for abusing the confidence that was bestored on them by many American.
What a historic event.
In November of 2000 Democratic Party was searching in the trash cans for votes that did not exist.
In May 31st 2008 the same Democratic Party trashed over 1000000 votes casted counted and certified by the States of Florida and Michigan.
What happened to the phrase that every vote count?
DNC today punished the voters of those States for what their State officials did, moved the Primary dates.At the same time they are asking for Party unity. What a joke.
Well my friends we believe in CHANGE too.
" Senator McCain you will be the next president of the USA. "
Life long Democrats from Jefferson County,Texas
Clinton supporters really showed their lack of education at the Rules Committee
I totally agree with this comment made by Clinton senior advisor & RBC member Harold Ickles: "This motion will hijack, hijack, remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton and most importantly reflect the preferences of 600,000 Michigan voters,” and added "that the White House hopeful reserved her right to bring an appeal before the DNC's Credentials Committee later this summer." I was born & lived 52 years in MI. & this is a time where they are trying to live in the worse economy of all the states due to all the Auto Plants closing or ripping off workers with up to 28 years seniority with a years worth of wage buyout & no benefits! Then they are going to turn around & hire nonunion workers for 1/2 the price. I know this as I was a UAW Rep. at General Motors. So, now all my friends are losing their homes too! Talk about kick you when you're already down! They actually voted to make the people who went out in bad weather to vote only be considered 1/2 a person! How dare them! Obama took his name off so that is his own problem. This was an unworthy & unjustified decision by the DNC. They made a political decision not a constitutional decision. Therefore, give us Hillary to vote for or we're switching over to McCain. Check out what everyone is saying at Hillary's blog! I hope they consider this very hard as only Hillary can win! Obama needs to come back to run once he is involved with many more things concerning government and gains some experience and also once we have time to find out all the other bad stories I think are going to surface. He can forget thinking the quitting of his membership of his horrific church will help after remaining there 20 years! Sorry too late!
Lets move forward all Democrats!
I feel sorry for the committee. This outcome and the strong reactions towards a compromise were to be expected. Hillary supporters are deeply upset at the end of a highly divisive campaign and now that her last hope to somehow catch up has slipped away. Obama supporters on the other hand may still feel offended that she was able to make any gains at all after the rules were clearly broken but at least they can breathe easier now since it won't make any difference in the final outcome whatsoever. The saying has proven true again: "if you try to build a bridge you'll be stepped on from both sides!"
The CRB should punish the delgates or the committee not the people of Florida and Michigan. They must listen to the will of the people not to their few members who actually got mistakes. The people didn't get any wrong doing by voting their candidate which they thought was the best candidate for pres. this coming election. If they don't give what people wanted, people will not give what they gonna ask, simple as that.
The Michigan Democrats went against the Rule of the Game. Obama abided by removing his name because its wrong in the first place to have the primary since not in accordance with the Rules. When the rules suit Hillary and her campaigners they say 'ok' but when it does not suit them they say 'Denver"Denver'. Where is the fairness. Who directed the Michigan Democrat to go ahead of the primary date and broke the Rules? Obama therefore should not be penalised. The DNC has been fair to award 69 delegates to Hillary and 59 to Obama.
I hope history will show what an arrogant selfish careless race Clinton ran. She was the first dem. that cared so much about her own ambitions to become president that she divided the party, just so a fellow dem. that beat her fair and square would lose in 08 and allow her selfish butt to run again in 2012. What a selfish loser! Out of the three contenders, Obama is the only one that I have heard say he believes in Jesus, and for that reason alone, I think Obama still has a chance. Since the little monkey we have in there now was not a real Christain, but flung hints of a belief about the Lords only son around like cheap candy. I don't think the Lord will be mocked again. As for the veins coming out on their neck hard core femenist, to hell with them and there corrupt choice.
As I watched these proceedings today, I could only cringe each time some supporter of Hillary Clinton would begin shouting at the members of this committee. Their complete lack of reasonable and civil behavior just showed how simple many of them are. They were ugly, hostile, and not at all interested in any compromise. It would be their way or no satisfaction. They came to the negotiation table with the frame of mind that there was only one possible soultion that would be tolerable.
And, Harold Ickes should be ashamed of himself for the inflamatory rhetoric he delivered today. He seems like a real jerk.
Obama’s people need to find a way to address the issue of perceived sexism in the treatment of Mrs. Clinton during the campaign. When you see your role model and standard-bearer losing it is natural to perceive mistreatment even where there is none.
The blogs are full of nasty and hurtful language directed toward her. That invective cannot be blamed on Obama but I believe it infects and coarsens the interchanges between the camps. Truly ugly, invective is directed at Obama too, but as the winner it is incumbent on him to reach out to Clinton supporters.
The resolution that was agreed upon was not a fair one. To count all the votes would have been equal to playing a game with once set of rule, taking the results of that game and applying them to a different set of rules. That is implossible to do while being fair. The inpact of the first set of rues has already had an effect, and at this juncture I am not aware of any time machine. The Obama campain conceeded to Hillary the results of a beauty contest in Florida. That was unfair to him but he did it. No one wants to play a game that is not fair. Obama was as unknown as Hillary is known around the world. Being told he could not campaign in Michigan, he took his name off the ballet, and I would have as well. Again, no one wants to play a game that isn't fair. The Obama campaign gave Hillary the advantage of a beauty contest in Michigan. It was not fair to him but he did it anyway. OBAMA MADE THE COMPROMISE. If Hillary Clinton wants to hurt the party of America, (And I am sure that the Democratic party is the party of America- with all it's history, evolution, diversity and imperfections to boot, it is America to a T.) then she can take her case to Denver. If Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain out of spite grounded in the lies they belive, then they can do so. Our most GOD given right is the right to choose, even if that choose will be bad for you. If Both Hillary and some of her supporters make the decisions I stated they have the right to make, they will be doing so agains America and its interests. In 2000 we voted for a party that was not representative of America, and now we are at risk of loosing it. A vote for Obama is a vote for America. In November we'll see just how many Americans are really for America and how may just claim to be.
How can the party use the title "democrats", when the decision is an oxymoron to democracy. Florida votes were split!!!!!!!!!! What????????This means the citizens who voted for Clinton have lost their vote and it has been applied inaccurately to Obama. This will make it a stolen nomination if he is named such. A will undoubtly register as independent if the appeal in July is not granted. McCain will receive my vote if Clinton is not on the ballot, since Obama has left a sour taste on my soul that will not fade.
THE CLINTON SUPPORTERS THAT WERE ANGRY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LECTURE THEIR CHILDREN AND THE FUTURE GENERATION ON HOW TO PRACTICE DEMOCRACY WITHOUT RESPECTING THE RULES. THIS IS A CLEAR MESSAGE TO FUTURE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CADIDATES THAT THE RULES OF THE PRMARIES SHOULD NO LONGER BE RESPECTED BECOUSE THEY MAY BE CHANGED AT THE END OF THE CONTEST
Enough already. This all has to make you wonder. With all these acts fo selfishness by Hillary, what makes us think she will do whats best for this country if she can't even do whats best for the Democratic Party?
Great! Democrats yelling, "Go McCain". If these Hillary supporters are that bitter then go, go vote for McCain and see if your conscience can live with it. For the rational Hillary supporters we need you let's get rid of these Republican criminals in the White House.
Interesting. I wonder how many of the Clinton's backers are also closet Republicans, just like Mrs. Clinton.
The panel’s decision will not unite the party. Obama was given delegates even though he wasn't even on the ballot. I want delagates too. So you say I never ran, then give them to Edwards. He ran. Do you see where this is going? How can anyone give delegates to a person who wasn't even on the ballot. And why would Obama take his name off? He was planning on being in the general wasn't he?
Michigan and Florida are not being counted in full. The DNC is making a grave mistake. Many Americans feel that their votes don't count. This decision confirms their beliefs.
These supposed "Democratic" supporters of Hillary's are trying to blackmail the Party with their votes. They don't seem Democratic at all in either philosophy or behavior. Or very adult. I'm proud of what the Democratic Party did today. They did their best. That's all they could do. And I'm also proud of the behavior of Obama supporters-who respected his leadership on this matter by practicing restraint and forbearance and not creating a scene.
The resolution that was agreed upon was not a fair one. To count all the votes would have been equal to playing a game with once set of rule, taking the results of that game and applying them to a different set of rules. That is impossible to do while being fair. The impact of the first set of rues has already had an effect, and at this juncture I am not aware of any time machine. The Obama campaign conceded to Hillary the results of a beauty contest in Florida. That was unfair to him but he did it. No one wants to play a game that is not fair. Obama was as unknown as Hillary is known around the world. Being told he could not campaign in Michigan, he took his name off the ballet, and I would have as well. Again, no one wants to play a game that isn't fair. The Obama campaign gave Hillary the advantage of a beauty contest in Michigan. It was not fair to him but he did it anyway. OBAMA MADE THE COMPROMISE. If Hillary Clinton wants to hurt the party of America, (And I am sure that the Democratic party is the party of America- with all it's history, evolution, diversity and imperfections to boot, it is America to a T.) then she can take her case to Denver. If Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain out of spite grounded in the lies they believe, then they can do so. Our most GOD given right is the right to choose, even if that choose will be bad for you. If Both Hillary and some of her supporters make the decisions I stated they have the right to make, they will be doing so against America and our interests. In 2000 we voted for a party that was not representative of America, and now we are at risk of losing it. A vote for Obama is a vote for America. In November we'll see just how many Americans are really for America and how may just claim to be.
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Clinton supporters need to grow up and stop acting like brats. Florida and Michigan broke the rules and had to pay a price. Go ahead and vote for McCain. They were never real Democrates anyway.
Well fellow Hillary supporters, lets not give up, we never give up. But we need to either have Hillary as an independent or we must vote for McCain, we cannot afford to lose our country to the communist party. LETS GO AND SAVE AMERICA !!!
HILLARY / MCCAIN 2008 !!!
I hate to play the race card but, when it's dealt...
All these freaks that would vote for McCain, a candidate with a diametrically contradictory stance on many key issues (compared to Clinton)... Well... They'd have a hard time convincing me that their motivations were not overwhelmingly racial in nature. And the people that have claimed Barack Obama has enjoyed some sort of an ADVANTAGE in his drive toward the White House... Those people are delusional and need to get a grip! As sad as the reality is -much of it remaining unspoken as we tiptoe through the obvious- I actually find these small-minded people's abject fear of a black American president to be comical. See how they run...
And Hillary supporters called themselves Democrats?!? If Hillary supporters vote for McCain out of spite, then better to flush them out now, rather than during the convention. The party rules were upheld and not changed just to appease Hillary.
Oh! Clinton supporters just dont get it. There's no way she can close the deal at this point. About time they took a reality pill. Supers please move in and put all these to end. For the sake of party's unity. Or else Dems will go down with Clintons. Obama 08.
I cant believe clinton supporters would act this way, I have always found them very rude and negative, they should be happy they got half the votes, before this fiasco happened, the rules were agreed to by Hillary and her chief delegate advisor, when they saw themselves losing they felt it was their right to bend the rules......pathetic they are!!, and by the way Obama and the rest of the states of America played by the rules...so thats a landslide majority!!
If anybody would really vote for McSame than Obama than they never cared about what Clinton’s message in the first place..
Way to go Hillary! Way to divide the party. I hope you are happy. It didn't need to come to this. You should of bowed out and ran again when it was your turn. To those who would vote for McCain over Obama don't really know what the party stands for. Why would you vote for someone who stands for everything Hillary doesn't. Who do you think the Clintons will be voting for. let see... not McCain!
The resolution that was agreed upon was not a fair one. To count all the votes would have been equal to playing a game with once set of rule, taking the results of that game and applying them to a different set of rules. That is impossible to do while being fair. The impact of the first set of rues has already had an effect, and at this juncture I am not aware of any time machine. The Obama campaign conceded to Hillary the results of a beauty contest in Florida. That was unfair to him but he did it. No one wants to play a game that is not fair. Obama was as unknown as Hillary is known around the world. Being told he could not campaign in Michigan, he took his name off the ballet, and I would have as well. Again, no one wants to play a game that isn't fair. The Obama campaign gave Hillary the advantage of a beauty contest in Michigan. It was not fair to him but he did it anyway. OBAMA MADE THE COMPROMISE. If Hillary Clinton wants to hurt the party of America, (And I am sure that the Democratic party is the party of America- with all it's history, evolution, diversity and imperfections to boot, it is America to a T.) then she can take her case to Denver. If Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain out of spite grounded in the lies they believe, then they can do so. Our most GOD given right is the right to choose, even if that choose will be bad for us. If Both Hillary and some of her supporters make the decisions I stated they have the right to make, they will be doing so against America and our interests. In 2000 we voted for a party that was not representative of America, and now we are at risk of losing it. A vote for Obama is a vote for America. In November we'll see just how many Americans are really for America and how may just claim to be.
Can anyone really say that Michigan's vote was really representative of Michigan? It was the only state that had less democratic voters than republican voters in it's primary. It was a state that had dems crossing over to vote for republicans in a Limbaugh-like operation. It was a state in which people just stayed home. When we talk about seating delegates, we should remember that Michigan had 0 delegates, and an unofficial primary. The rules for how delegates should be seated from a primary DO NOT apply, Mr. Ickes, as their primary was not recognized by the DNC. Any seating of delegates is an olive branch, meant only to unify the party, it does not in any way vindicate the results of its primary. If Hillary takes this to the convention, she will still lose, and she will potentially help McCain get elected if her rancorous supporters stay home or vote McCain out of idiotic spite. If she decides to selfishly play the party against itself at the convention, Hillary can kiss her political career goodbye, and any hope of having a legacy before senility claims her shall also be bid adieu.
Wow, so Clinton brings a few rowdy supporters ... this post makes it seem like they rained on everybody's parade. "Get me an Estelle Getty!", she demanded.
I'm not really sure what else they wanted out of today's process. The results are fair for everyone, especially since the rules were broken and the vote was fundamentally affected.
Besides running a good campaigning and beating Clinton, what has Obama done so awful to incense Clinton's support so much so that they would rather vote for McCain. Shouldn't it be the Obama's supports who are angry at Clinton for being so disingenuous? She knew about the Michigan and Florida situation before she started her campaign, and never objected.
I am beyond disgusted with the Democratic Party. After 30 years as a devoted, contributing member who often campaigned for candidates, I find myself unable to recognize it any longer. The recent actions of the DNC are further evidence that the Democratic party has lost touch with its most committed members.
I dont understand why the clinton supporters are so vehemently upset the Florida votes was declared half votes thats fine.Compromise on the michigan delegates by giving obama 4 more delegates than they wanted and that warrants tears.....and screams what??? Is clinton going to lose by 3 or 4 delegates or by a hundred or so....Being its going to be by a hundred plus whats the fuss over 4 delegates.I mean really,even if hillary got every thing that she wanted she would have still been down like 80 delegates.What is with all the unwarranted drama and anger at lest of all towards obama.i can see being disappointed but pushing obama supporters screaming denver or mccain 08....??? tha heck. this is surreal but i blame it on the leadership if the leadership acted responsible i think the crowd would have been way less rambunctious
OK... let's try to make sense out of this... I am not a US Citizen, with no rights to vote but I can bet I got enough common sense.
First all agree that these votes will now count. Now they are calling foul because of the loss... you must be kidding me.
First of all, I understand the reason to seat delegates, which is to not to offend the voters. WHY CAN'T THESE GUYS NOT THINK OF THIS TYPE OF SITUATION BEFORE CREATING SUCH RULES???
Now that the DNC has reached a decision, Clinton supporters are just being DISRUPTIVE. Get real, be democrats and support the party, if you care to win.
NO ONE has stolen the vote... it is a party decision. MOVE ON!
Ok, lets suppose Hillary fights this out. Hillary does not have as much support on the Credentials Committee, they are Dean loyalists primarily who will uphold the DNC's rulings. Unless Dean himself comes out and doesn't agree with it, I'd be surprised if things changed.
So, lets then say Hillary fights this all the way to the floor of the convention. Will it really do any good? The delegates from Michigan that will be in attendance will have already been chosen based on them being pledged to Obama and Clinton. Can you take those delegates, tell them they're now uncommitted, and they'll magically go "I'm uncommitted now, I'm going to go for Hillary". That isn't going to happen no matter if they're unpledged or not, they're in attendance to support a specific candidate.
The floor could go back to 74 – 55, but since they have half votes, that will give Clinton a 2 delegate swing. Nothing that is going to be of any signifigence.
This is what Michigan democrates decided, and already were implementing in their local conventions from the testimony given on Saturday. Accepting that comprimise was the path of least resistance for the RBC and for Michigan as well. Honestly, those that are willing to protest now, I am guessing wouldn't have been happy with any decision the RBC made, they are die hard Hillary supporters, and there was nothing they could have decided that would have allowed their candidate to get back into the race at this point in time.
It is not the RBC's fault Hillary is not going to get the nomination, it's the Hillary campaign's fault. Her lack of organization, funding, and campaigning between February and March has done her in here. That is her failure, but it's always easier to blame someone else when you admire and believe in someone. That is only human nature.
I ask one simple question to supporters thinking this way. What has John McCain done to earn your vote?
I don't understand. Even if Hillary gets all of the votes in Michigan she is still behind Obama. I just don't get it. Do Hillary supporters ignore all the other people that have voted in this terribly long campaign? Clearly the majority of voters want Obama. sigh.
Rules are rules....You can't expect your votes to count when you cast them before the legal date of elections. Florida and Michigan knew well in advance what would happen...Even Hillary herself abided by the rules before the game started. Can't take it out on Obama because he isn't in the Florida legislature. He played by the rules and won...It's as simple as that. I can tell my kids about this and show how adults compromise, and exercise fairplay. At the very least, Florida and Michigan should be happy their election ended up counting even though, by the rules, they shouldn't be counted at all. That's my 2 cents...Peace!
Disgusting. This is the most biased, sexist, and underhanded campaign I've ever witnessed. Obama's supporters practice reverse racism and everyone is scared that if Clinton were to win by popular vote, that we'd have another race riot on our hands. Unbelievable. So, we're going to cheat Clinton out of votes for fear of black people will turning violent. What a joke. I've had it with the Democratic Party.
Plan "A" – Hillary
Plan "B" – McCain
If Clinton and her supporters want to take this to the convention, they might as well go republican because they are not true democrats, our fathers and fathers before them, lived, supported and abided by the principles of democratic party and believed in party unity......Instead the Clinton campaign and her supporters are destroying it.
it was always about the clintons and her feminists and there self indulging interests...
This blog was posted at 12:36 AM ET, on June 1st. Cheeters should at least be neat for those of us detail oriented.
clinton supporters are of the opinion that they run the democratic party.
Is this what they call a hissy-fit?
I think these decisions are more than fair. Both FL and MI voters ARE now represented, even though they had violated the parties rules.
I guess Hillary supporters were hoping she would get through some mathematical trick a lot more delegates (and basically Barack Obama none) BUT the FACT is,she agreed at the time when they had their primaries early that they WOULD NOT COUNT.
(And if we talk about "democracy" here, to claim you won the whole state when you are the only candidate on the ballot (MI) then this is more the style of dictators like Castro or Kim Yong-Il who always win with 90+ %-since they are the only choice on the ballot).
People HAVE to come TOGETHER!!We are facing SERIOUS PROBLEMS in our country:every day REAL people DIE in IRAQ NEEDLESSLY; every day people struggle with REAL problems e.g. their house payments,food bills, health care andd the list goes on.
We CANNOT let the republicans continue their disastrous policies.There has to be change. The longer we fight among ourselves the more traction McBush gets.
Hillary has LOST by the will of the voters and she has to face up to it. ALL DEMOCRATS have to unite behind Sen. Barack Obama as our nominee and future President.
Search your souls people, and you WILL KNOW this is the right decision.
Let us make history- OBAMA 08&2012
As a canadian watching both sides, i can finally see that Hillary Clinton is pretty much responsible for all this and the divide in the democratic party... it seems as if she advocated the protests which ultimately turned this decision day into a negative tone. I really think she owes an apology to everyone.
REALLY, what is so hard to understand about the face that both state's Democratic Parties broke the rules. I guess flouting them was not enough. The two states wanted to have their cake and eat it too. I really hate those that can not play by the rules while insisting that everyone else does. And then they still stand by their "righteous'" indignation.
REALLY, what is so hard to understand about the fact that both state's Democratic Parties broke the rules. I guess flouting them was not enough. The two states wanted to have their cake and eat it too. I really hate those that can not play by the rules while insisting that everyone else does. And then they still stand by their "righteous'" indignation.
How about the disenfranchisement of all those voters who stayed home because they knew their states had idiotically broken the rules?
This is nothing but vindictive, disgusting and childish behavior by fools who should have their right to vote revoked. Considering how close the actual platforms are between Obama and Clinton, choosing McCain is just mind-boggling idiocy.
If petty Hillary supporters actually succeed in helping McCain win, then this pathetic country will deserve 4 more years of failure.
This is once again a very bad year in politic's, though i love Clinton determination, i feel she's fighting a lost war. Every day it seem's her campaign is loosing steam, what's left isnt't going to get her a nomination and in the way of politic's her continuation in this race will undoubtfully effect her career, as well as democrats. Emotions are high, and its scary how much different the candidates are. Its to the point when Clinton voter's are vowing to Vote for McCain if Hiliary doesn't win, even Hiliary herself wouldnt want this. We are so wrapped up on who impresses us the most or whom we want to make histrory, when we should be focusing on change, which will begin immediatley if a democrat is nominated president. They way things are going i wouldnt find it surprising if McCain wakes up in the whitehouse in 09.
The democratic party is accountable for their acheivements and promises made to the people. Promise made by the house leader specially on starting the withdrawal has not been met. I hope the party is about more than winning the elections but solving the problems of the people
I have no interest in wasting my time with Democrats from any state that feel they can violate the rules and then moan and complain about a resolution OFFERED BY THEIR STATE DELEGATION that gives THEIR PREFERRED CANDIDATE more votes than the ZERO allowed by the rules at the time of voting.
If they want to vote for John McCain in protest, let them. I would prefer unity to idiocy, but that's their choice.
If they actually prefer John McCain to Barack Obama, that speaks volumes about who they are as Democrats, but that's certainly the right of every American.
I'd also like everyone to remember, the practical impact of all of this is less than 10 delegates. Righteous indignation aside, it this really worth putting Bush's policies in the White House for 4 or 8 more years.
By the way, regardless of outcome, those two co-chairs were far more polite and cordial than I would have been with the people in the room who refused to allow this very difficult process to proceed with respect.
who cares. those folks werent there for people to get their vote's back. they were supporters of clinton who wanted to be devisive like hillary. i say good riddance go vote for macshame as prices of gas appproach's 5bucks a gallon.
Clinton should be thankful she got *any* advantage out of this scenario. SHE BROKE THE RULES!
This is blackmail of the highest order. Before the game began, everybody agreed to the rules. Now that one side is losing the game, they want to change the rules. I think that is wrong ... and the rules should not be changed on principles. And if this means all Hillary supporters will vote for John McCain, so be it. Let them cut their noses to spite their faces. There are serious issues coming up in the very near future, and if HRC supporters want John McCain to control the agenda, they must vote for him.
HRC had everything to her advantage: She is the former first lady, She had a former President campaigning hard for her, the Democratic Establishment was behing her, she had much more money, and she was leading by 30 points, she even had more African American supporters, etc. Simply put, the nomination was hers to lose.
However, she ran a terrible campaign. I really think her team thought this would be a cakewalk, and they really did not expect any serious competition. But her biggest mistake was not anticipating the mood in the country after 8 years of George Bush. If she had, she would not have portrayed herself as a candidate of the establishment.
Obama ran on a platform of Hope and changing Washington, and his message connected with millions of people ... and that is why he is leading today.
Finally, maybe HRC is more electable, but that is not the point. The point is very simple: to be the nominee, you have to win, Maybe in the future the Democratic Party nominee should be determine by polls. But since this is not the rules now, HRC should accept defeat.
Maybe Hillary could run as an independent if her challenge to the Credentials Committee doesn't work out and she loses the Democratic Party nomination??? Or is it too late for an independent candidate to get on the ticket in Nov?
Don't know how the rules work....just thinking out loud...
I have been thinking for long period that America is a country that respect the rule of law. Its somehow iron that someone who has brain washed her supporters in the contrary would want to be president ,the highest office of the land. It does not good image to America
I am a registered voter in Florida. I voted for Clinton. But as this thing goes on and I feel Obama is our best chance. We need to unite. This is not about Clinton or Obama as candidates but the more of electing a Democrat. Our goal was to make sure both Florida and Michigan counted. We have our representation now. We can not penalize Obama for abiding by the rules. So let us unite and win this election.
When both these states lost their rights to be seated at the convention, Clinton agreed with what happened at that time, because she was ahead, as soon as she fell behind, at that time she wanted both states to be given back what they lost. No matter what was decided, that didn't put her ahead, she is still behind. It was not what she expected, so there will be more to this after all the races are over where both Obama and Clinton are at right now. I believe that this will not go to the convention, it will be decided in the next few days on who will be running for the next President, which will be Obama.
I said it months ago, that this woman would take this to the US Supreme Court if she had too.That said and the conduct of the people who support her just show clearly her real lack of regard for democracy the democratic party and the true self serving motivation she harbors.King and Queen Clinton once again.No one dare stand in her way.I wouldn't take that Bobby Kennedy statement to lightly either.I believe she will literally stop at nothing .
Clearly Hillary's supporters are unfair and lawless.If not for the concerted effort of the party they did not even need to open the penalty to discussion in the first place because those states knew the punishment before they embark on such arrogance.More so Clinton herself initially said their votes wont count,so why the fuss now,Or may be i should ask them, where have they seen anybody being punished for being obedient?Who among her supporters can accept such a thing?People dont let yout objectivity die at the altar of sentiments.Remember this election is not about any candidates but you.Rally behind OBAMA for the better future.
OBAMA 08
Rules were broken, yet she still got something out it. And of course that wasn't enough for her. You would think she could see what she is doing to the party, I guess she really wants to see McCain in the house come Nov. America will get what it deserves if Clinton gets anywhere near the Whitehouse. And you thought things were bad now !
Hillary and her supporters are so ungrateful...they should be lucky to receive half of the votes, they should be pointing the finger at their nominated officials for violating the rules. If the rest of the states followed the rules and they didnt, why should they get special treatment.
Their behaviour at the meeting was also disgraceful, it would be good riddance if they did go republican, because they are cannot be true democracts. We dont need traitors.
Clinton supporters will never be satisfied with anything other than her stealing the nomination from Obama. They would rather vote for McCain than Obama, that's so sad, they will bring down the entire country just for spite. I want the troops brought home, I want people to be able to keep their homes, I want gas prices to come down, I want better education for my grandchildren and affordable health care, I DON'T WANT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!
Democrats need to win in November...period!
I think the Committee was overly generous to HRC. Giving her ANY advantage in a primary which she herself told the voters "would not count," and which listed no other major candidate on the ballot, is a gift for which she should be grateful, not angry.
Wooow, these Clinton supporters sure are emotional!! They're soooo emotional they wont listen to reason!!!!
it is the Hillary camp are the people who have hijacked democracy.
How can you claim to win a state when you're name is the only one on the ballot – Shame on Hillary and shame on her supporters.
Hillary has tried to destroy Obama's reputation thoughout this campaign.
There isn't anything she hasn't trid or said to lie and cheat her way to win.
We've heard all about Obama dirth laundry hroughout this campaign but have yet to really hear what's going on jer, what about PETER PAUL Vs. CLINTON'S.
Why isn't the media covering this – why haven't Fox, ABC run this story???
From a previous blog........
"Josh May 31st, 2008 11:29 pm ET
I'm a Clinton supporter and NOT happy with this decision. Hillary should have gotten ALL of Michigan's delegates with ALL the votes! Truth be told, she was the only one that had her name on the ballot in that state! Obama conveniently did not put his name on the ballot, therefore he should get NO DELEGATES from that state! Looks like the DNC is obviously biased in favour of Obama. Pelosi and Dean…we hate you!".........
Wow,This is what your dealing with when you deal with the Clinton campaign.It is no wonder she can manipulate these simpletons to do her biding.
As someone who attended a U.S. high school & college, I have always had the greatest respect for your country & the ideals enshrined in its Declaration of Independence & Constitution which in their own right are extraordinary documents.
However, I find it incredulous that someone who has been called a pathological liar by many [friends included], has no sense of decency and fair play, and is unable to play by the rules, could possibly become standard bearer for your country.
I guess honesty, decency and personal integrity are no longer a prerequisite for high office.
Ignorant Clinton Supporters – Too Stupid to Deserve To Vote.
Harold Ickes and co......are typical African politicans......we always go into an election with the election result already with them....wake up this is america....where the wish of the people wins.
I am thinking there is more to this then to just have Hillary win.......what on earth will make an elected dem. vote rep. other than race......shame, shame...
Way to go RBC, finally we can move forward togeather and concentrate on defeating McCain in November, we are on are way, Yes We Can.
Ohhh.
I forgot. Begin each sentence with....My friends,,,,,, when you speak about anything. Whether they are friends or foe...that should get em....
Bye, Hillary.
You should not have voted for Iraq war. At that time of lunacy 23 senators had courage to vote against it, but you voted for. This forever defined how low is your level of experience and judgement. Generally, it is unfortunately much easier to get presidency if you're a son or a wife of a president, but not to such shameful extend.
Obama 2008
Wow, how retarded are Clinton supporters? And they say Obama's followers are brainwashed.
Once again, proof that the Democrats can't run an election and are placed on this earth solely for my amusement.
Clinton needs to just accept the inevitable. What a cry baby!
I watched the coverage and I have to say Ickes has the right name. He really is icky.
How Clinton supporters could believe Michigan and Florida would really get full votes is beyond me. The decision to do that would have set a very dangerous precendent. States might then just willy nilly start changing their election dates and fully expect their votes to count in the end. Michagan and Florida got more that they should have. Maybe Florida deserves to be seated, but Michigan didn't have the same excuse – they had Democratic majority and weren't forced to change their date. It would have been within the rights of the DNC to strip them of their entire votes or only give them 1/4 vote.
Obama has the moral high ground here. If Clinton continues to go on she will humiliate herself and women everywhere. Stop graveling!!
Hillary's legacy is at stake. Support the party or selfishly think of herself. She would make a great Attorney General!.
Are those Clinton supporters supporting Clinton as a person or the way she deals with many issues to reach for better USA?? As I cant find major differences between Obama and Clintons stressing on issues.
Up till now, i was giving the benefit of the doubt to Clinton Supports. I am saddened because, i thought once victory was out of reached she would be a unifier. I have been taken-a-back with certain Clinton campaign positions but did not lose faith in her. If she does not denounce these reactions – simply – she is no a democrat
A former Supporter of Obama\Clinton (or vice versa)
That's right, let's just vote for McSame, that will teach the democrats. Let's just chunk it ALL out the window. Who cares, rules are made to be broken ...right? (sarcasm) When Hillary (as she stated) gets behind Obama...then what? When she begans to say how wonderful, ready and prepared Obama is (once he wins the nomination) are you going to listen to her..or turn your backs on her?
These Clinton Supporters are nutjobs
What message is Clinton sending the youth of this country and the rest of the world? That rules that you have agreed to are meant to be broken if things don't go your way? That there should be no consequences to breaking those agreed upon rules? That she, as a woman, has learned how to play the same old "good ole boy "politics ala Karl Rove? America deserves far better than another member of the political elite/establishment as president in 2008- vote Obama!
If Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, John is McCain! sure to be the next president..
Nobody in their right mind can honestly say that Michigan should've been counted as-is, whith Obama getting zero delegates!
This is insane and repulsive. Obama and Edwards did the right thing to take their names of the Mich ballot, since the DNC had already made it clear that the votes wouldn't be counted. Hillary should've done the same thing out of solidarity, but she perferred the greedy, power-playing route. Any Mich resolution must be fair to both parties. Giving Obama zero vote would've been utterly dispicable. You think the Hillary supporters are pissed off? What do you think would've happened had Obama got zero delegates in the Mich resolution? It would've been the end of the Dem's hopes for 2008.
But here's whats worse...
Even if you gave Clinton the Fla and Mich primary results she wanted on a silver platter, she STILL would've been behind Obama!
Even if she got Mich, Fla, a Puerto Rico blow-out (75%-25%) and a split in the remainig two states... she STILL would've needed two-thirds of the remaining super delegates to win. This just couldn't happen. Why would two-thirds of the remaining super delegates all of a sudden jump to Hillary when the popular delegates are clearly in Obama's favor? And two-thirds no less?
Hillary Clinton will be marked in history as a pathetic, power-hungry sore loser and, unfortunately for Bill, she's dragged his legacy down with her.
Way to go RBC, finally we can move forward together and concentrate on defeating McCain in November, we are on are way, Yes We Can.
If Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, John McCain is sure to be the next president..
Give it a rest, Hillary. We're tired of you.
I was a Clinton supporter in the begining and had been impressed by her fiery defence of the voters in Florida and Michigan. But now it appears to me that she is only in defence of these voters wishes in so far as she gains from it and not because she was born to fight for the right of others as she often claims. It is a shame that even now that the full delegation from these two great states will be seated with half votes- somewhat to the advantage of the voters there- she rejects the decision because theres no immediate political benefit to her. It is sad because in detroying her political future, she destroys also the wonderful legacy of Bill Clinton, and perhaps the demogcratic party: but only if we allow her to. If we loose the election in the fall, i will begin a push to raise money against her New York seat.
the clintons are not pure democrats, they're desparados. they care only about themselfs. to them everything is "me me me me me me" is either me or no-one else. that's not how a good democrat is. the clintons will fare better in Iran, south korea, saudi arabia, and a host of other nations where leadership and power belongs to a few family and persons. i will like the DNC to suspend the entire clinton clan from the party if they decide to spoil or damage the party's unit by prolonging the issue of FL and MI issue
Just another part of track laid for the Clinton railroad express. She really didn't have a chance. If the all those superdelegates who were originally backing her had a set and stayed with her-this would be "too close to call"...even with big wins in WV and KY, they still flocked to Obama. I hope the democrats are happy with him because I'm not and this is one democrat who will not be one come November.
Typical for Clinton supporters. It's either Clinton or McCain, and when we are going through another 4-8 years of disasters like what happened with Bush.
These Clinton supporters like the religious wing that came to the call of President Bush will have no one else to blame but themselves.
Remember Clinton is not a republican but a Democrat, so why are people acting like this is a vote against Democrats and Republicans.
This is not a whim, this is a chance to make a difference, and Clinton and Obama are technically on the same side.
I wonder if Hillary's supporters care about the real issues like their party rules, the economy and the war... or just about Hillary? This seems like "we don't care what we have to sacrifice, we have to get her to the White House" mentality! so my question is do you guys realy care about the core issues that needs to be solved or you're going against Barak just because he won? For outsiders like us who have been following this process from the begining I wish John wins the general election if somehow Hillary got the party's nomination, cause this campaign seems running in a blind hate rather than a real meaningful issues that you people needs desperatly!
Jay from Canada
The DNC should be aware that there are many Hillary supporters that are not Democrats. They are only for Hillary. The only solution that will satisfy them is a unilateral desicion to hand Hillary the nomination and apologise to her for allowing opponents to run against her in the first place. Maybe we can call them Hillaricrats!
But as Hillaricrats, I suppose they will vote for who she asks them to vote for. If not then they are probably Republicans who are angling for a weaker candidate who they can defeat in November. Or people like Liberman who was only in the party for only selfish reasons.
Cheaters never prosper
What I saw, heard, and read from the Clinton campaign and her supporters is a bunch of whining about NOTHING. What about the caucus states votes being counted? Yeah, that's what I thought! In those 4 states she got her head head handed to her, but there's no mention of that or of being "fair" to those states. Hypocrisy at it's best.
Now the votes or voters are being hijacked? Clinton and Michigan were lucky to get ANY delegates seated. The same goes for Florida. They violated the rules and then perpetually cried when they couldn't get everything their own way. The rules have been the same since the 80's, so don't complain about the rules! EVERYONE knew about everything AND agreed to the rules before the process got started. But in typical Clinton fashion, as they have done all primary, they want to cry and change rules and throw temper tantrums because they feel they've been robbed, screwed, hijacked or whatever.
The Clintons and her/their supporters need to stop blaming everyone but themselves period! It is Hillary's lack of planning, short-sightedness, incompetence, stupidity, and over-inflated ego of herself that got her in the mess she is in now. Now matter how you want to look at it.....her campaign is over! She will be LUCKY to win PR with more than 4 or 5 points. She will lose SD by 10 and Montana nearly close to that margin. Her swing state and big state claim is a joke and her popular vote and "electoral map" claims are even more garbage! The bottom line is, SHE HAS LOST!
Taking it to Denver is NOT going to change the outcome so she needs to let it go before her political career is through! She can't switch to Republican because she'll lose the women's vote with a quickness. She can become an Independent while she is still in the Senate, but she will lose what pull she has because the Democrats will not vote to put her in any power positions...look where Lieberman is now.
To conclude, if you Hillary supporters want to vote for McCain, do it! If you want to stay home because Hillary won't be on the ticket with Obama, then stay home! Just the hell up and do it already, because in the end most of you WILL vote Democrat come November and the rest we just don't care about!
It's difficult to praise the grand scheme of a remarkable voter turnout for Democratic primaries signifies when the details are so disgraceful.
As events unfold, this debate has proven to be less about fairness and more "Who's side are you on?" A minority of Sen. Clinton's supporters won't be happy until all the votes are counted, and only counted in Clinton's favor.
"Democracy" is quickly becoming the latest catachresis, a word raped and left a hollow version of its former self.
Seating anyone in this situation will misrepresent basically everyone. It was common knowledge that the delegates were stripped before the vote was taken. Sure some people came out and voted anyways. How many people however, didn't make the effort to get out and vote because they were told it wouldn't matter anyways, or that their candidate, be it Obama, or Edwards, or whomever, was not on the ballot. The vote may have been significantly different if people weren't told it doesnt matter.
No matter how you look at it, however you divide up the delegates, it is basically coming down to a select few (the board members) making up some numbers and influencing the whole process. How democratic is that? It seems the whole process is flawed from the beginning. No wonder that people have had enough of this already. Let them continue to think that these decisions are being made in some smoky back room somewhere.
Why not just make up some other numbers while we are at it. They should have just let it rest. They broke the rules, live with it and learn from it. Seating people according to some rediculous "compromise" just to not leave out "millions of voters" is a farce. Awarding delegates based on what the council or whatever it is says so is not really getting those voters "counted" as it is. It's a feeble attempt to try to reconcile their mistakes.
People that are losing always are closed minded its, thier way of showing they are not mature enough to follow the rules...Im more ashamed of how hillary and her supporters acted threw this whole process over the past six months than anything else...I just wish she had more tact...every time you her talk its I this or I that...Americans are tired of the I factor and old politics...If you would have not fed off of NEGATIVE emotions after you were behind by a little bit america would have backed you...there is no more I in AMER8CA the 8 is a infinitely
I dont think it was fair what they did about the delagates in Michigan and Florida yesterday they shouldnt have taken anything away from hillary and given them to Obama when she won them fair and square. I live in Texas and we dont have write ins on our ballats so is it possible for hillary to run as an Independent in November Idont really understand how what they did to her was fair or any part of the american democratic way of life that our country has fought to preserve this is even worse than all the cheating in 2000 in florida to get bush elected we living from paycheck to paycheck but if she cant get on the ballat in november we willnot vote for obama as much as i dont like republicans i will have to vote for McCain and hopfully we will be able to move to a country that listens to its countrymen and doesnt have to cheat to win
To the people who say they didn't get a vote. You did it counted but the delegates which is what the party nomination is won (it is not won on individual votes of the people) had half a vote. So the delegates got half a vote. The party rules which Clinton and her fellow supporters seem to forget were broken so the DNC rules say if this is the case only 50% of the delegates can be seated. This was 100% delegates with 1/2 vote each which is fair, you cannot break the rules and expect not to be punished. And Clinton got her Michigan votes (maybe not what she wants but what she wants is everything and to win but what we want we don't always get) yet she wants to penalize Obama for not putting his name on when they were both told it would not count. You cannot change the rules to suit yourself Ms Clinton and supporters and should you wish now to go shoot yourself in the foot for not understanding the rules then so be in and go vote McCain. There are more than enough people who now see Hilary as a spoiled brat and will vote Obama and there are those who want to cut their nose off to spite their face and vote McCain. You have every right to vote for who you want to in a GE but I wonder how many of you are too busy trying to spite everyone else to realize you will in essence be spiting yourself. Im sure come January we shall see the Clintons have started to become squatters in the white house because some people just cant admit they haven't won.
Once upon a time I was totally in favor of Hillary, but I have become convinced that Barack Obama is the only cantidate who can truly unite both our nation AND the world as one. I think he should start to play John Lennon's song "Imagine" as his theme in this election. Wouldn'd that be the ideal song for all of us?
An act of GOD will happen which will ensure that Hitlery will win the nomination at the convention. She now has the ammo and GOD's word, will and power to convince the supers to flood to her. Obama and McCain will sadly feel GOD's wrath as Hitlery will unleash it on both of them. She will inevitably be the next president because GOD meant it to be so. She is GOD's chosen one and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
I belive the rules were ,followed and good job by the DNC, no more states moving ahead of the pack. if dem votes Mccain so be it. hell its only the future of nation ,.lets waste another 4 years I am white male ,rural and blue collar. I VOTE because future generations will look back and smile, and say united states. brings hope and unitiy too a troubled world.
It is now time to bring unity into the Democratic Party. Barack didn't cause this neither did Hillary it was HArold Ickes and the RBC. I am a saunch Obama supporter.
Ok here is the deal, Fl and Mi both were told by the DNC don't change your date or you will be punished. They did and now everyone is mad at the DNC for the punishment recieved. If this was a huge issue then they should of follwed rules. Fl and Mi dems have no one to blame but their party leaders in each state. They brought this on themselevs because they wanted to be different and got smacked in the process. As far as Clinton and Obama go, it is funny you agree to dont do something til you need it then cry wolf because you need it later.DNC needs to remake the way votes are given. Make it like a national election with a date in say May or June and winner take all
why are we still talking about hillary ,the race has been over.Everyday she stays in the race more and more people are turn off by her reasoning to stay in and she is for bring the party together i don't so.
I'm a life-long Democrat, and I've held hard feelings for the past seven years, because of what transpired in the 2000 general election. How depressing to see virtually the same thing happen again, this time perpetrated by the Democratic hierarchy. They're all the same.
All Moderate democrats should vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee of the democratic party, this will teach the DNC the lesson that in democratic system all votes are equal. there is no such thing as half vote. Everyone has equal right to vote and there vote should be equal no matter what state you are in. In democratic system right to vote and to be counted is the backbone of the system, The core of the democratic system has been undermined by DNC not giving the people of FL & MI the equal voice. People should fight for there fundamental right given to in this democratic system. This is not about Hillary or Obama, this is about our right to vote and to be heard, If we give up now then it will become a pattern and this kind of monopoly will dominate in future.
So Fight for your Right.
Her supporters are just like her, which explains why she lost!!!! If Barack loses, these people will go down as the most pathetically sore losers in the history of the world. They have become cliches, destroyers of reason. They have bought the guns to blow of their noses to spite their contorted faces.
If you will vote for McCain because of YOUR state Gov't breaking the rules. Then you were never a Democrat to begin with. The Democratic "NATIONAL" committee did the best it could to respect the voters of FL and MI without disenfranchising the 48 states that actually followed the rules. If you want to be angry at someone, get angry at your state officials that caused your votes not to count. Do any of you believe if the roles were switched that Hillary wouldn't be arguing the opposite as if it was absolute truth? That's what I thought. In the words of that (censored) on the Supreme Court, "get over it".
For Clinton supporters to say in one breath we want ALL voices to count but then say count the results of the invalid election as it was cast is bizarre.
Do you REALLY think that those result reflected the will of the Democrats in MI? So 45% (uncommited) would not have voted for another candidate had it been valid? Also, would not the dynamic been different if all 8 candidates were allowed to introduce themselves to MI by campaigning? It's crazy for people to think that 55% of MI voters wanted Clinton and no other candidate would have won any delegates?
So, while I'm upset that it had to come down to this, I think that any consideration to these invalid results was very generous in making the decision the DNC rules team made today.
Harold & Tina should give it a break. Barack Obama will find a job for you, however, you will not be receiveing the over inflated salaries that has put the Clinton Campaign in tremendous debt and in complete shambles.
OBAMA/HAGEL 08'
Good riddance to such folk who would vote for a republican. They have no credibility in my eyes. As a democrat I view the good of the party ahead of my own immediate interest. Compromise is what good politics is about and we are best rid of Hillary and her fake democratic supporters. Especially when we consider the racial tones of her late campaign has made a point in raising. Every woman I know personally is outraged by her and her followers. We do not want you racists in our party.
This really makes me mad! Angry Clinton Supporters???
How low can you go! This DNC result was EXSTREAMLY UNFAIR to Obama! He did not campaign and was not even on the ballot in MI.
Why should Obama have to 'give in' to anything Clinton wants??
Obama doesn't FREAKING OWE Clinton anything!
Still Obama was gracious to her and the Obama campaign is satisfied with the results in which they walked out losing delegates to Clinton.
I say let these Clinton loosers hurry up to McCain they deserve his grandpa style and old poltics!
If my memory serves me correct, first, Florida and Michigan broke the rules, second both Clinton and Obama agreed to to not seat those delegates. Does everyone agree with me. Clinton thought she had this election in the bag.
Not so fast, because she is loosing now she wants to count Florida and Michigan, but they broke the rules.
Now we allowed them back in, she got the most out of bringing them back in and she is still behind. What more needs to be said.
Allow me to sum this up, in the fall, all of you that feel that you were cheated, vote for MCcain and lets continue this reckless course that we are going down. I'm asking all of my Democratic brothers and sisters, please open your eyes. Scott McClellan did.
The DNC had the answer to Florida and Michigan weeks ago.This so called meeting today in Washington was a joke.They stabbed Hillary Clinton in the back.Howard Dean who hates Hillary now has his boy,Obama.But he will be really surprised when more than 17 million Reagan demcrats who voted for Hillary in Ohio,PA,MI,FL,CA,cross over and vote for McCain.I will be one of them.Dean can take Obama and put him where the sun never shines.The good people once again from Florida have been screwed.And in Michigan where the boy wasn't even on the ballot,the DNC fixed it so he was after their vote.Obama knows all about fixing elections,he fixed the one in Chicago when he ran for the Senate.He gives a good speech but under that speech isa empty suit.McCain will eat him alive in November.And next week the Risco scandal in Chicago will be all over the news.Thats Obama's mob crook,another of his dear friends.
I did not quote the book correctly, it was,"A New Earth." Even better.
I want to take this to the convention. I want Obama to go away.
I guess that Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones was WRONG! And now Clinton’s chances of pushing Obama’s delegate lead down into the double digits before the Democratic convention have virtually disappeared
I for one am glad that the Commission made a fair solution as Both Florida and Michigan broke the Rules and might not have a chance to participate in the convention. As for Hillary Clinton, You my dear have ran your race and lost. Please don't drag this dead dog out to play as we are tired of hearing of how you are the one who can win when you now can not! Do the math, It's over. You have not ran a good campaign. Someone give them the 20 million they are down so we can close this up and get on to Nov.
I am an independent and have been so for the past couple of months, or right around the time i relaized that the dnc leaders care more about their party than the american voter. if hillary can run as an independent she will certainly win the presidential election. she doesnt need the "black vote" just like obama doesnt need the "white vote" (according to donna brazille). if she is not willing to, or able to, then i will certainly vote for mccain. what the dnc leaders fail to acknowledge is that hillary supporters wioll vote for mccain and not even blick an eye when doing so. the dnc leaders and the media all seem to think that we wont,...as if they know us better than we know ourselves. what a huge mistake. they will realize their mistake in november and they will only have themselves, and the media, to blame.
those hardcore clinton supporters are just a big bunch of cry baby
whiny complainers, obama's the nominee, GET OVER IT YOU SORE
LOSERS!!!
The DNC's decision to seat Florida and Michigan delegates with only half a vote is a poor excuse for democracy. Who do they think they are? I've decided to stand by my fellow citizens in Florida and Michigan, and I encourage others to do the same. Come general election time I will cast 1/2 my vote for Obama, and 1/2 my vote for someone else. I know my vote won't count, but that's nothing new for democrats. Support Florida and Michigan!!! Vote Half and Half!!!!!
If all of the actual votes are counted, and if we generously give Obama every Uncommitted Michigan vote, then they are both in a virtual dead heat with less than 100 votes difference. However, that would give Obama about 3% more pledged delegates. There are clearly flaws with the Delegate system, and that's what the Superdelegates are supposed to help resolve.
Unfortunately, most of the so called Superdelegates – especially the last few to choose sides – are little more than bandwagon jumpers, backing the candidate who is perceived to be the front runner and ignoring the people's votes. This is why Clinton will not give up; she will take this all the way to the convention in Denver, and there's no way to stop her without giving her the nomination.
She will never accept second place, and neither will Obama – they have both made that abundantly clear many times – so a dual ticket is out of the question. It's only going to get uglier this summer, and the Republicans are relishing it.
I,m sorry to say but Hillary Clinton supporters are a joke!!! To say you'll vote for McCain because your candidate didn't get full delegates seated (EVEN THOUGH RULES HAVE BEEN BROKEN) and you take a look at McCain policies, has to be downright STUPID!!!
One thing is now crystal clear. It's either Hillary's way ot the highway! For some, it was never about what is best for this country...it's always been about about you and the Clintons. So yes, go ahead! Vote for McCain! If that is the best your you can do for your country, let's not have a fight over it! It's called freedom of choice! I doubt you were ever gonna vote for Obama anyway. You have your racial biases and we have to respect that.
To all democrats out there whose interrest is what is best for this country, whether Obama or Hillary supporters..do what your heart tells you is the right thing to do. In every contest, there is a winner and a loser. You either accept that you win some and lose some in life or you believe you have to win all. Intelligent fair-minded, reasonable people understand that. It's how you handle the wins and the losses that define you as a person.
So go ahead. Vote your conscience. If your conscience tells you McCain is the best candidate vs Obama, by al means vote for McCain. But please be honest with yourself. For you it never was about the country. It was about you and Hillary and if by God hillary doesnt win, then to hell with the democratic party!
As a true democrat , I for one will support either Obama or Hillary, whoever wins. It was never about Hillary or Obama. It was about my country and what is best for my country!! And a democrat, Hillary or Obama is what is best for this country! But if McCain appeals to your senses, by all means vote McCain. It;s your right!
Who cares......... they can go. Shame on them. How can a true Democratic behave this way? The fact, remains that Obama is the nominee and no pressure from any name can change things.
We don't want these Clinton Spoil Sports in the party anyway. I hope they leave the party for McCain just like they said they will. Just goes to show you the seeds of hate, dissension,lies that have been sown by Hillary "I'll say anything to win, I'll cackle away the truth, old school politics" Clinton.
These people need to leave the party now, just like they promise. We don't need these disingenuous, blinded by the lies of Hillary people hanging around. They obviously can't see through the bent and twisted logic that is needed to believe the crazy justifications and the constant moving of the goal posts of the hard hearted Clinton camp.
America deserves better than what Clinton could ever offer.
This just shows how divisive Hillary and Bill Clinton are to the Democrats. Unity was a promise by Hillary Clinton, but I guess they only meant it if they won. With Democrats like these ladies God Help America. I certainly hope she understands what voting for John McCain means to women. Good luck ladies.
Voting Republican will get more of the same. Bad judges that reverse Rowe vs Wade, a continuing war, a bad economy and high gas prices, no changes in health care.
These ladies are mindless Hillary supporters who don’t think about the consequences of being poor losers and doing something against their self interests.
Barack Obama can bring unity and hope to the country. He needs the support of all democrats. Barack and Hillary are fighting for similar positions far different from McSame.
I hope these people understand what they will do to themselves if they don’t get behind the Democratic nominee.
What does that say about Clinton supporters, if they would turn to McCain instead of Obama – who has the SAME platform as Clinton? I'm not gonna' say it!
Will Clinton now really make a call to the Credentials Committee for 4 delegates out of the Michigan 69-59 split? When will this woman finally recognize she's riding a dead horse? Obama would even lead her with about 145 delegates when he would have got no delegates at all from Michigan. Stop this hoax once and for all.
Congrats Barack! Wrap this thing up so that we can finally say good-bye to the Clinton's. Her supporters can go with her. They are all whiners and losers. If Hillary loves Puerto Rico so much why doesn't she see if they have a job done there for her and her loving (yuck) husband. I bet even Bill will be glad when this is over and he can get away from her to. She hasn't gotten her way so once again America will have to hear how sexist this is, how she got cheated, how Puerto is such a CRITICAL STATE (which it isn't. Alot of good they are going to do the Democrats in the general election) I will give the Clnton's one thing though. They set this election up for Hillary to win no matter what. To lose it would really be a laugh on them. Face it Hillary we want honest people in Washington and your time is up!
Rebecca Sinderbrand...your bias is so obvious. What a poor excuse of a journalist! I watched the same televised preceediings live and your commentary is filled with your own personal opinions and biases. You are a very poor excuse of a journalist and you should be ashamed of yourself!
WHAT HAPPENED TO JOURNALISM ETHICS????????????????!!!!
Shame on you Rebecca Sinderbrand!
If the clinton supporters change thier vote to McCain, that is thier right and their privilege and they must then live with the resultant President and his policies.
What I do not understand is that people who vote in primaries are generally speaking more committed politically than the average voter, QED stronger in favour of democratic policies than GOP policy. Clinton and Obama have similar views on Health care and Iraq two major issues in which McCain is clearly opposed.
This is emotion driven for whatever reason and has no reasonable logic, especially as Clinton's proposal disenfranchises people who went uncommitted in Michigan. It seems right to me that the DNC went with the States Democratic committee view. There were other options within rules, but could also have been criticised. The result is fair, and within rules.
One request is that HRC decides her fate herself (not via legal actions for sure) on the 4th June and does not keep the democratic party fighting within itself until the convention.
In this respect Dean and Pelosi are right, Super delegates please commit as soon as possible after 4th June. Have a nominee and fight McCain and not yourselves within the party.
Regards,
Hodgson.
Unity... what kind of person, what kind of democrat would pledge their allegance to Sen Clinton then vote for Sen McCain when things dont go the way they had hoped.
I mean to say that you stand for justice and honest government and reform in one breath only to turn around and vote for John McMore of the same Bush is insane. Its petty and its sad. I had hoped for more from Sen Clinton's supporters. This is exactly what the republicans want us to do. They are sitting back in their leather easy chairs getting ready for 4-8 more years of taking from the american people anything and everything while lacing the pockets of all the loyal partners who help or do little to get in the way.
I love this country but sometimes I don't understand it.
Democrats, Republicans and Independants need to realize whats going on here and vote.
Don't stay home, don't let them silence you and don't let them steal your rights. The same rights that many have fought and died for.
Um...one thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere... Were either of these states' "votes" really fair to Obama? If I'm remembering right, the DNC told the candidates not to campaign in those states. Clinton did it anyway. Obama followed the rules, as set down by the DNC. He wasn't even ON the ballot in Michigan. As a result, Clinton had a victory in Florida and a "landslide" in Michigan. It's almost like they're all deliberately ignoring the fact that it wasn't a fair fight in either state. Hey, I think it's hilarious. All of us Republicans just sit back and watch the chaos unfold.
Hillary for President on the Indenpendent ticket. The time is right to bring an end to the iron fisted grip the dishonest two party system has on America and she's the woman to do it.
Mrs Clinton has not uttered his name since before North Carolina, Ive been looking out for it but cant find a single instance. I Think shes going to take this really bad when its all over and i think that will be in August, unless the supers put him over the top before then.
No Joke, shes taking this really bad and he wont get any help from her for the GE.
No Disrepect but methinks shes very ,very bitter and does not like him at all , or about as much as Geraldine Ferraro does.
to all hillary clinton fans or supporters...
the rules are the rules.
you broke the rules you pay the price..
HRC broke the rules by going to election early to steal votes
so sorry HRC another bites the dust ....
time to pack ur bags and go love
For those who are too childish to face facts I say go to McCain. You will not only be hurting everyone else you will all hurt yourselves and your families . As long as my conscience is clear that I did not contribute to such a spiteful act I'll sleep good at night. Will you be able to say the same?
No, Hillary isn't a divisive figure. Not at all.
But then again, I suppose a good chunk of the Obama folks would be like that if things had gone (or go) differently down the stretch.
Take a deep breath. Stop the hate, and stop McCain.
Ivan, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
It's hillarious to me that Clinton supporters believe they will hurt Obama by not voting for him if he is the Nominee. At the end of the day, the Obamas and the Clintons will still be okay financially and otherwise. So those who don't support him and decide to choose McCain instead, will only find themselves struggling even more when this is all over! So for all of you Clinton supporters, I say go ahead, vote McCain. Just keep this in mind: this is bigger than Clinton and Obama... Your pocketbooks will be on "E," not theirs!
Great job by the DNC! I dont know what else Clinton wants if she isnt happy with this outcome. All of the delegates were seated no disenfranchisement, just with half a vote. She got at least 10 delegates more than Obama per contest; eventhough he didn't campaign in Florida or appear on the ballot in Michigan. Clinton and her supporters couldn't have thought she would get a 70 to 30% delegate allocation. It is time now that she encourage her supporters to vote for Obama and stop the divisive gestures.
Very sad about how the DNC reached their decision-not out in the open-hidden from public view for over 2 hrs. Personally I will not vote for Senator Obama. Believe Hillary should take this to convention.
Ivan,
Listen fool,
Had MI and FL followed party rules to begin with, thiswould not have happened. You are pretty stupid to suggest that Democrats support McCain in the general election to punish the party. You will only be punishing youself. If you want 4 more years of Bush, you have some serious issues and should not be allowed to vote due to lack of intelligence.
how can i vote for a man to become president who won't recognize the will and votes of the people and ignores the solutions brought upon by others to solve Michigan and Florida, such as people offering to pay for it to be redone.
how can i vote for a man who claims that he has never heard such "disappointing" things as a part of his church for decades, but then resigns from his church stating it isnt anything political when he obviously would have stayed there if it wasnt for this election and im sure it would have been fine is such racial comments were made
I was so sickened to watch the whole DNC meeting...it seems as though only some were sensible...
i can't vote for a party who is too blind to see they are hurting their own party, when that is the very thing they are trying to prevent.
The whole Michigan thing is crap, giving obama those number of allotted delegates.
You hillary groupies (yes that's what you are.) are idiots. As a real Democrat, I would never vote for McCain. If Obama (who I support) lost, then so be it. Nothing could make me vote republican. You morons don't think or care if she is better or not you just want her to win. period,If the roles were reversed you wouldn't be screaming "Denver" or what ever nonsense you think. Get over it. rules are rules none of you complained when you thought she would win and Florida and Michigan didn't matter. She sure didn't. Now that she is losing she and all of you want to change the rule to fit your childish complaints. That's like running plays during halftime or time out and wanting it to count, hitting after the bell and claiming it was fair. Democracy is counting votes of course but it is also following rules. What do idiots want next? To rob banks and later tell the judge "Oh well I know the law said we can't rob banks but since so many of us ignored that law we should be able to keep the money and go free."
Ivan, don't fool yourself. The only "all" votes should count are the ones you think will get your candidate elected.
Plenty of other votes haven't counted (Washington primary, etc.). You add up all the votes cast and Obama is still way ahead, even without the Michigan "none of the above votes".
It is a crummy situation, but save the outrage. The DNC tried to do the fairest thing possible. Don't forget that MI and FL weren't supposed to count at all. Even the HRC campaign said it and knew it. . . .that is, until they found that the only way to maybe just maybe get ahead would be to count an entire state that Obama did not even compete in.
I understand that there's a lot of vitriol from both sides but I'm curious to know why Hillary advocates who have been adamant about letting "every vote count" as they stand, have never mentioned that Hillary supported the punishment meted out to the 2 states before the primaries and only after she realized that she needed those votes did she start raising her voice in protest. Does that not smack of hypocrisy? Furthermore, while I realize HRC supporters feel slighted by the loss of the 4 delegates in MI, are they so blind as to not see that this is still punishing Obama for playing by the rules? The DNC made the rules of the game and each political party has the right to decide how their nominee will be determined. The DNC decided that MI and FL would not be counted and all candidates agreed to play by the rules. Regardless of whether you agree/disagree that the punishment was fair, or you think its Obama's fault for removing his name, these were the established rules and he was under the belief that the votes from these 2 states wouldn't count – i.e. he followed the guidelines set by the DNC. Seating any of the delegates for Hillary without giving him a substantial share would not be fair because then HE would be the only one punished for the MI primary violation. So for him to accept any compromise on MI was very gracious on his part and I'm astounded that none of HRC's supporters can see that.
Having said that, it has been a long primary season and many of us are bitter towards each other and the opposing candidate, and the party itself. But as one wise American once said, "A house divided cannot stand". Please folks, don't let us fall down because of anger or spite, such malice will only come back and haunt us.
Vote the Issues 08!
If the Democratic Party thinks that their actions yesterday were "a step towards unity", they are very mistaken. What they have done is pushed many Democrat votes to McCain.
This election could have been an easy one for the Democrats, but again, they insist on nominating a very liberal candidate (with a thin resume), and they will watch once again, their candidate lose to a Republican.
Bye bye, Dems – you lost me......
Shame on the the spineless DNC. I agree this was a hard and difficult challenge, but to take this course of action is uncalled for. This has shaken my confidence in collective wisdom of the democratic party.
I’m an independent voter now.
Hillary "08
It would have been better if they had just seated the delegates as voted. Obama would still have the lead and be the nominee at the convention. I am worried about what this is doing to the democratic party and fear that this gives John McCain undeserved leverage in November.
A true democrat would never vote for McCain under any circumstance. Just thought I would put that out there.
Ivan, if it's not about Hillary or Obama, why is it that moderates should vote for McCain only if Obama is the nominee, but not if Hillary is the nominee?
i think she should be happy with the outcome but then it didnt give hillbillary the overall lead and that s the only thing they would except to bad get over it she lost
Hillary and Barack both thought it was a good idea to discount the votes of people in those states. This is a clear indication of the cheating Hillary is capable of. Cheaters never win, Hillary and winners never cheat. She's trying to do anything she can to win and it's not gonna work this time. I'm so glad because we need change and I don't mean changing to another cheater. I hope she and her supporters let this dead horse die and move on to what's important to our economy, beating McCain.
Are you serious? Are you kidding me? What is that going to solve? What could voting for John McCain possibly accomplish? Tell me ONE thing that Hillary Clinton and John McCain agree about? Where do their policies ever align? I really hope that the Clinton supporters who are thinking about voting for McCain in the general election SERIOUSLY reconsider. We will be TRAPPED for four more years in a system where the American people are suffering, we are tangled in a number of serious foreign issues, and our world standing drops by the minute. What everyone is failing to understand about the Primary system is that it IS NOT ABOUT THE POPULAR VOTE. That is what the general election is supposed to be for...in a round about way. No one ever said that primary season was about the will of the people...it is the party's opportunity to determine the best candidate for the general election. Please stop the bickering....unify the party...and let's throw our support whole-heartedly behind the democratic nominee...So yes...Ivan...fight for your right. But fight for it against the party that has DESTROYED America over the past 8 years. Fight for the right to be a proud American...and let's make history together.
FL and MI democrats are welcome to show their sexist and racist side by siding with McCain.
HRC lost this election long before she admitted. How can they defend her once it is apperant that she lied constantly, turned this race very ugly and made a mockery of the party as a whole.
This is not about a dynasty or a woman president. This is a new beginning and an idealistic president like we never had before. It is fine to accept FL as a McCain state, but logic would say PA, MI, OH would vote for Obama this year.
Ivan, you're obviously uninformed because the Republicans stripped MI and FL of half their delegate totals as well. This is what the DNC should have done at the outset rather than stripping all of them only to have to concede to a plan similar to the RNC. Remember too, Hillary supported the plan to strip all the delegates UNTIL she needed them. She's a conniving politician with situational ethics. Do you really want her in the White House, I don't think so. As for McCain, sure vote for the guy who doesn't know what the troop levels are in Iraq, who's a Shiite or a Sunni, who's fighting whom, or that photo ops in a market place are not representative of security conditions faced by Iraqis. He's a sorry old politician.
The bottom line is that Hillary won the states needed to win in November and Obama did not. So if you want a democrat in the whitehouse it will have to be Hillary. If you think Obama can pull it off then you are in for a huge shock. McCain is more a democrat than Obama and will get many of the Hillary votes against Obama.
Taking the Wright/Ayers/Hamas/Rezko issues with Obama, he just cant support and befriend these people and then drop them like a hot potato when the media gets a hold of it.
With Bush/Enron already happened why would we invite Obama/Excelon next?
Who's Obama's campaign manager? Who is his campaign finance chair? You look at those people's histories and it is Bush 2.0.
Time to wake up people.
Hillary 08 for the big win!
Though I am a clinton backer and would loved to see the delagates be seated as they voted i do think this was a reasonable decision. I think the best decision would be though award the uncommited delagetes of michigan awarded to obama but all the votes to hillary fully recognise.
Hopefully by winning in puerto rico primary super delagates will feel that they can justify their vote for hillary clinton since from then she will definetly hold the popular vote.
America is making a big mistake by again voting a inexperienced guy who say's who will bring change above an experienced woman who's devoted her life to make change happen.
The whole world sees american once again as a strange country who thinks the presidential race is like American Idol. Because obama is so likeable is good in speeches and probably can sing better as well you are voting for him.
The Clinton camp has already widen the wound and the division with their cheating and biaise words and it is unfortunate that her so called worshippers are being lead in to their direction.
It shows the type of education they are and would give to their children, that is doing everything even is ti break the rules to achieve their aims
Ivan, if ths is not about Obama or Clinton why do you want to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee? Would you do the same if, by some sort of miracle after the Montana primary, Clinton become the nominee? You Clinton supporters are so detached from the reality these days. have you ever questioned why Clinton agreed to the penality in the frist place and only after she realised that she is not going to win the nomination that she is making a big fuss about it, like she care for Florida or michigan voters.
Oh yeah, the party is going down, thanks to Clinton who thinks she is entitled to the presidency and not earn it the way Obama did. I am ashamed to be a democrat and a Clinton supporter!!
Obama and Excelon is just revisiting Bush and Enron all over again.
Obama and Hamas is just revisiting Bush and 9/11 all over again.
Vote for the real change.
Hillary 08
Since the position of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama in most of the political issues is almost similar I wonder if the supporters of both candidates are stupid enough to split the Democratic Party also in the general election. The reason for this situation, according to my opinion, is not only the way both candidates are campaigning, or the party leaders kept themselves to long out of the Florida and Michigan controversy but even more the behaviour of the undeclared superdelegates. The result will be a further threatening and blackmailing of the Democrates until their Convention in August. I can`t understand this.
Mcain all the way to the white house 08....Mcain can thank us in november,Let's see what Pelosi,Dean and the undemocratic DnC will do when our votes are fully counted when they are cast for Mcain! Are we communist's? The voter's are meaningless to the over 20 so called "Rules committee " You should call yourselves "We pick who we want committee " Disgusting is the only word i can come up with right now,I would stay home and not vote in November but i won't instead ill vote Mcain call me undemocratic cause that's exactly what i and the DnC are! Atleast we are now unified with one common purpose to be undemocratic!!...........................................................................................................................................VOTE Mcain 08............................................................
Ivan June 1st, 2008 4:26 am ET
The core of the democratic system has been undermined by DNC not giving the people of FL & MI the equal voice. People should fight for there fundamental right given to in this democratic system. This is not about Hillary or Obama, this is about our right to vote and to be heard, If we give up now then it will become a pattern and this kind of monopoly will dominate in future.
If you vote for McCain based on that reasoning then it IS about Clinton [and Obama] and about your own bitterness in your candidate not winning a fair election. Why do I say this? Because the Republicans did the exact same thing that the Democrats did (each delegate gets half a vote) for the states that violated their rules. If it was only about each vote being heard, as you seem to say, then you'd also be railing against the Republican party for denying votes. But you aren't.
While our elections are a form of democracy, the parties and party nomination rules aren't, and aren't required to be, plus they've been designed to give areas that would be ignored more influence over the others. It is the parties that chose their candidates, don't forget that. If you want to be heard by your party you become a member and be involved with it before the primaries and caucuses. If the parties would have any guts, they would admit the earlier primaries haven't improved the process or helped anyone. Florida/Michingan played a game....they thought they where more important than their parties process and their reasons for allowing other states first, they thought if they cried loud enough they would get what they wanted. Well they did, a little, and now a lot of delegates decided by people who didn't have the benefit of actually learning about the candidates through local campaigning (part of the reason for the spread out process), or even have the chance of choosing a candidate in one case....are having their state parties delegates apportioned regardless. Bravo.
Voting for McCain because Clinton didn't get the nomination is like knocking all the checkers off the board because the game didn't go your way. People who are considering doing that should really think about what the future of our country would be under another conservative Republican president. Is teaching the DNC a lesson really worth that? And if you think the political system ever worked honestly in America, you really should be reading your history books.
its right the dicission was fair and truth u dont lose and want to change the law of the party at the end of the election to favor u no one is above the rules. does she wAnts to tell me she will be above the america rules when elected as a president that should show u that she is telling every surpporters that every one some how could be above the america rules its not a good example those with her will not deffanately vote for a black man or bacause she is a woman. they are little % of her surpporters its a pity she run her campaign in a way that she maked tiny part of the democrat member to be left unhappy cos she created a cinero in their minds like if she was treated unfair but she treated the party unfair and maked the party commitees to be uncomfortable with their rules u agreed with at the first place so she have to appoligize and try and bring the party to together that is yyyyyyyyyyyy women in america is not yet strong for the presidential race she run her race like she was in her kicthen u can impose what u want or like on ur kitchen not on people to favor u no. cant the michigan and florida voters think about this for a second that if hillary was ahead comfortably will she want to break the rules and poisen the voters in michigan & florida voters to come out and fight for themself iamgine that i live u all hillary supporter to think about that .LIFT YOUR LANTERS UP MY PARTY IS THE TRUTH.OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT "08
Yesterday in Washington some vested interests have tried to hijack the will of the voters and mocked democracy. The fundamental of democracy in any country clearly states that 1 person = 1 vote. In no country is a candidate penalised for winning the certified election. Yet the United States Democratic party has made a mockery of the word Democracy and given a tight slap to the very fundamental principle that the United States tries to promote in other part of the world i.e., DEMOCRACY!
There is no reason left to support a party of cheats. And I request all my learned friends to start supporting for the right Presidential candidate for the United States of America -John McCain.
I DEPLORE THE GUTLESS DNC,& IT'S CHAIRMAN, WHO HAS NOT CARED FOR SENATOR CLINTON SINCE DAY ONE. AS A LIFELONG DEMOCRATIC VOTER, I WILL NOT VOTEIN THE PRESIDENDIAL ELELECTION, IF SENATOR OBAMA RECEIVES THE NOD.
Pathetic! United States of Arabica
Oh give me a break. You are only undermining yourself if you would vote for John McCain with all of the economic slow down, lack of progress in Iraq and outrageous gas and food prices that we are seeing now. Sure. If you like the way most Americans are living right now vote for McCain, but to vote for McCain because you dont like the Democratic party rules, that isnt sensible. Your either a republican who would never vote for a democrate or your an upset Hillary Supporter. I dont think even most clinton supporters would say something like that. My question is why didnt anyone protest vigourously when this decision to not count votes initially happened. Now Fl. and Mich and being pandered to by Hillary Clinton just so she can eeck out more votes, not because she actually cares about those votes. she has you fooled. When she thought she had this puppy wrapped up in Feb. she couldve cared less. She signed an agreement along with Obama to not count the vote. What about the people who didnt vote because Obama wasnt on the ballot. What about those who didnt cast a vote because they were told it wouldnt count. Even Obama is willing to suck it up and take a bit of a loss so they there can be some measure of success there inspite of the situation. But its just never enough is it??!! Cant wait till this thing is over. I tell you I would never vote for John Mccain. I dont like Hillary and her dirty politics and unethical behavior but I would suck it up because it would benefit me in the long run. Hopefully those upset clinton supporters will do the same.
Those thinking of voting McCain, the Republicans also cut delegates in half in Florida for violating party rules. If you vote McCain you dont hurt the Dems..you hurt YOURSELF.
Why didnt Biden, Edwards and Richardson voters behave as foul as Clinton supporters are behaving now? I never heard Richardson say he lost because he is hispanic, I never heard Obama say he lost a state because he is black why does Hillary say she is losing because she is a woman?
I think all Clinton's supporter should reflect on the notion of cheating when they want to change the rules in the middle of the game. Had it been Obama in Hillary's position, the committe wouldn't even convene on the issue. Obama would have been forced out of the race long time ago if he were so far behind in term of pledge delegates. Why should they change the rules because of Clinton?
I understand democracy and I also support every vote should count, but in situation like this, one should not forget, that Obama only played by the rules that everybody agreed including Hillary and since it doesnt suit her now, she is crying foul.
90% of whats being said is more about politics and not democracy, in either ways Rules are set to make things fair to all.. unless one thinking about returning to the " Wild West" !!!
Anyone who would vote for McCain out of spite over this must not care about the economy or the war.... I think that right now there are bigger issues than Michigan and Florida that we need t focus on.
I cant believe that people are so upset that a black man is going to be president. Obama ran a better ship than hillary. Her team didnt even understand the democratic political process. If obama ran his campaign so smooth i will hope he will run this country the same.
All of this because of the date of the primary! Ridiculous!
Obama gets delegates for not being of the ballot in MIchigan!!! Never!!!
This is a farce, a mockery of our democratic system.
We cannot sit by and let this continue. All Americans who want to preserve a democratic electoral system must stand up and resist this attempt to force one candidate onto the Democrats without fair validation of primary results!
What will the future hold for us if we let this go by?
Rally around Hillary now to stop this outrageous spectacle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If this is not about Hillary or Obama. Why are you willing to vote McCain? Don't ask me to vote McCain. I'm going to vote Democrat no matter who the nominee.
I might not be college educated, but I have common sense. I can't pay 4 – 6 dollars a gallon for gas. I don't wont to see my fellow americans kill in this war. I don't want go without health care or see anyone else go without. I don't wont to lose my home, because jobs are leaving the US.
You can be an idiot all you wont, but don't expect me to join you in your idiocy.
When you decide to choose for McCain just because you're angry at Obama, than you are doing yourself no favour at all. Yet another 4 years of republicans means that America is going to be a third-world country. On this very moment the economy is on a very bad level and that's going to be worse because all the money will be needed in Iraq. Needed for a war which will never end. How many people have to die just because that silly man and his administration wanted to begin a war. And thanks to this complete idiot the rest of the world is in danger as well. Thank you very much, George Idiot Bush, for killing all these people! Yes, that's your fault and when we get another 4 years of these idiots than America and the rest of the world is going to be even worse than they already are. Oh, and you feminists: not choosing for Obama, just because your beloved Clinton couldn't win from him, would be a very un-feminist decision. The republican issues are far more feminist unfriendly than those of the democrats.
I honestly fail to understand how Clinton supporters can be outraged by this solution. ALL candidates agreed to the DNC's decision not to count the primaries from Michigan and Florida.
Whether or not this decision was wise from the beginning is a different question. In any case, it means that in both primaries Hillary Clinton had a clearly disproportionate advantage – seeing as she was running against either noone (Michigan) or candidates who had much less name recognition and no opportunity to campaign (Florida). To count any of the votes she gained under these circumstances is already hugely in her favour.
She just gained half a vote per delegate against the rules she herself agreed to – and people are actually complaining that she didn't get more? Seriously, I don't understand.
I guess the fanatical Clinton supporters were not going to accept any other outcome then her getting the nomination, no matter who broke what rules.
If people like that are MODERATES I have to go back to the dictionary and reread what moderate actually means.
The R&BC has tried to be as evenhanded as possible and the result from any compromis is usually that neither side is totally satisfied, as is the case now. The committee has tried to make the best of the mess created willingly and knowingly by those two states parties, and now some groupies still want to take it to Denver? I think they have very little chance, most people will realise this was the best deal in a bad situtaion.
I pray to God tonight that Hillary Clinton takes the DNC to Denver and splts the convention in half after they stabbed her in the back today!!
Now all Democrats must come together, and pull together, for the long haul to November. The petty displays of spite by both sides at the DNC meeting were understandable, but now there is no place for anything of the sort. McCain and the Republican machine are rubbing their hands with glee at our disarray: "divide and conquer" is the only way a candidate who is too old and too identified with the failures of the previous administration could have a chance.. unless we give it to him.
And now we have a dynamic, younger candidate whose nomination is already a victory for those who would like to turn the page once and for all on racism, militarism, exclusion and all other forms of discrimination. No matter who we backed going in, now it is a solemn duty for anyone who calls himself a Democrat, or indeed anyone of any party who believes in the positive things America used to stand for, to itself and to the world, to work for his election.
Stop the Obama hate, he won fair and square.
Can we say sore losers? They knew they had already lost before they walked into that room. Because the rules committee did not nominate Princess Clinton, they are crying some more.
As a teacher I fully expect penalties for rule breaking... not following them, expecting to get around them is not the type of arrogance that needs to be in the oval office.
This is an example of how childish this woman is.... I really wonder who was yelling Go McCain in the background.... probably those backwards "blue collar whites" she happens to have as the corner stone of her campaign...
How can The DNC “GIVE” delegates to a candidate, Obama, when he did not bother to put his name on the ballot.
The people of Michigan are being treated like they are the bastard step child nobody wants to claim. In retrospect Michigan and Florida would have been better off if the held their respective primaries on June 2nd instead of January.
I cannot believe that the DNC wants Obama as their candidate so bad that they are willing to erase election results, and cheat the rightful winner out of, in this case Senator Clinton, her hard fought and legally obtained delegates. I guess the party of inclusion only includes males, to hell with the women. It just goes to show that the good ole boy network is still alive and kicking in the Democratic Party.
If the DNC is willing to cheat one of its own, and Senator Clinton is definitely one of the Democratic Parties biggest supporters and contributors, what will they do to the rest of us?
If Senator Clinton really wanted to upset the good ole boy network (aka. DNC) she could run for president as a truly independent. Who could blame her? She isn’t getting the support from the DNC she deserves. Hell, she isn’t even getting what she rightfully earned, the full slate of Michigan delegates. As an independent she would truly get the respect she deserves. Could you imagine the heart failure the good ole boy network would have should she elect this approach.
The Democratic Party needs to do what is right in the case and award Senator Clinton her full share of Michigan delegates. She defiantly earned them. She had the foresight and courage to run in Michigan despite the good ole boy network’s slap in the face. A leader is someone who is willing to face the consequences of their actions and do what is right. Senator Clinton took a slap in the face by the good ole boy network and made sure the voters of Michigan had at least one viable candidate. And what does she get for showing she is willing to be a leader? She gets her honestly won delegates stolen from her by the good ole boy network. That is what I call a true slap in the face.
Voters in FL and MI should be upset with their local and state party leaders for violating the rules that were on place. every candidate at the time, not only Clinton and Obama but everybody else who was still running....On the other hand let's not forget that the main target to get our country back on track by electing a democrat as president.-
It's time to rally around Senator Obama, he has demostrated the qualities required for the job: great character, good administrator,great leader, wisdom & humility, but above all ...the ability to inspire people to believe in their country, that we can move forward if we are all walk together, that is time to grow up and fulfill the calling to be the nation we are called to be, it is time to work together to fix the state of our economy, the education system, health care system, to honor our troops and vet for their noble service by taking care of them (they have earn it)
Obama/Webb 08
Now that the Rules Committee has voted to seat Michigan and Florida, Hillary's claim to be ahead in the popular vote is legitimate. Also her claim to have won every important swing state is now solid.
The DNC and Rules Committee can decree that the Michigan and Florida delegates have only half a vote at the Convention, but the voters in both Primary elections are not subject to those rules. Hillary can, and will, count their Primary votes 100%. Her ability to do this legitimately was only questionable while the question was whether either state would be allowed to participate in the Convention at all.
Hillary
You agreed Michigan and Florida should not count when the campaigns started. Why are we even having this discussion? Wonder why dem voters polled perceive you as being untrustworthy?
I have always believed that Obama has the intrest of all at heart.. l am not criticising Clinton but she does sure needs some rest. lf she has the amount of votes that Obama has, l believe all this noise about seating all will be going on. Everything is just happening because Clinton is not winning. This is not the way it has to be done, Let's be frank for once.................
That is so unfair to Hillary as Obama choosen delist his name from MI. Why DNC gave him delegates? I will not vote in coming election , DNC will never get any money from me. period.
Ivan, I argee we most ideas but, rules were broken, as such is the result, all america, will vote the truth is we need too realize that people change views and not goverments.
Ivan: But all votes are not equal since some states have more delegates then others. There is no such thing as one man one vote. People in FL and MI are not complaining their party leaders have said it’s a valid comprise. The only one who is complaining is Hillary and her supporters. There were 14 Clinton supporters on the RBC and only 8 for Obama... so please give it up and stop crying foul.
Are Hillary's supporters so moronic and stubborn that in spite of an unbiased ruling, they would vote for John McCain? I understand that they want to fight for what they believe and by all means they should. Nonetheless, if McCain wins in November, they will suffer for it. It is not as if by voting for McCain instead of Barack they are somehow going to make the democratic party feel sorry for deciding to nominate Obama. The candidate who, in lieu of whatever clintonian mathematics is currently being circulated, wins the popular vote, delegate majority and SD majority should get the nomination. The people, as of Tuesday, will have spoken. I truly hope, as a U.S. Army veteran, that the people will make their choice based on the issues, not race, sex, creed or color.
good bye madame president of coocoo land! hope you'll keep your trap shut now, got a headache from all the bickering!
Ivan, I guess you don't know this, but...
REPUBLICAN VOTES IN FLORIDA & MICHIGAN WERE STRIPPED BY 50% BY THE RNC FOR THE SAME REASON.
So, voting for McCain as a way to "teach" the democratic party that all votes are equal...is pretty inconceivable.
Looks like the Democratic Party has shot itself in the foot again...gifting the November election to the Republicans..
What a waste....2 great candidates...and in all likelidhood, all for nought..
I agree with FH2.....that Hillary Clinton's campaign was not clean and she is very dishonest person with so many lies. I don't think we should clear her exaggerated 20 million debt either....Just stepdown gracefully.
OBAMA 2008..!!!
It's time to move on and get ready for November. DNC has ruled!!!
What disgusts me is the behavior of my supposed adult peers. To see individuals 18 and older throwing tantrums and having fits like pre adolescent children is regrettably discouraging. Watching the DNC committee this morning was very disheartening as both Clinton and Obama supporters behaved in such abhorrent fashion.
Grow up people. This barbaric behavior needs to come to an end. As one of the comittee members so appropriately stated, "the world is not perfect, but it is good." You may not have received the decision you so desired, but you need to remember that this isn't the end of the world. This isn't personal. This is not the worst case scenario. Another 4-8 years of republican ignorance and filth is the nightmare.
Lets stand together. Lets stand united. Let us not forget that which we fight for. DO NOT VOTE MCCAIN in november. VOTE DEMOCRAT NOVEMBER 2008
I'm soooo sick of these Clinton supporters...They need to get over it...Even if the committee had awarded no delegates to Obama, she still wouldn't get the nomination.
Obama doesn't need these people to win. Bottom line.. anyone willing to suffer 4 more years of Republican rule deserves far worse. I hope Obama sticks to his base and forgets about these whiny losers.. because his base includes Bush Republicans.
Ivan... you would like to actually suggest to ruin the country to "teach the DNC a lesson". Do it with your own family!...that has to be the most rediculous unthoughtful thing I've heard on this blog. Quite frankly, you're an idiot who should have his voting privilages revoked. With regards to vote...I'm sorry... I don't know what they're thinking... Obama has brought such momentum to his campaign...with his current resources... if he actually tried and campaigned in those states I think they would not have gone toward Hillary in that fashion. I was for not counting the votes at all... those were the rules...everyone knew them...particularly Hillary....now you've made Obama suffer though I think he'll win anyway. DNC should have just stuck to their guns.
The DNC has spoken. As one who had voted for Clinton in Pa., I can't support Obama, and my Democratic vote will go to McCain, as will I am sure many more.
Hillary has lost it, literally and figuratively. Michigan and Florida are under the same rules in both Democratic and Republican primaries, with 50% delegate count, and she still won't give up. Worse, she is allowing her supporters to continue their reckless attacks on the Democratic Party and its now clear nominee. She, and this, are pathetic.
Somebody please investigate all of OBama's friends and acquaintances before it's too late.
@Ivan:
"this will teach the DNC the lesson that in democratic system all votes are equal. there is no such thing as half vote."
Would you rather the DNC be just and rule Florida and Michigan half votes because they broke the Dem rules, or would you rather they give in to Clinton supporters because they are threatening to vote McCain??
I would not want shrewd politicians running my country...
I know that many people were terribly disappointed that Hillary did not win. I was fortunate because I decided early on that I would support the one that the majority wanted. We had two excellent candidates and they both fought very hard.I believe that she will be given an important job in Obama's administration and she will do her very best.
This was more about the popularity of each candidate. Now let us get back to the importance of the fall election. Remember WHY it is so important to beat the Republicans. Let us all stand together and WIN. Because Hillary did not win, would you rather have more years of this frightening war? Do you want to worry constantly about losing your home or your job? Do you want more years of high gas prices, and $4.00 a gallon milk? Aren't the worries about our huge deficit more important than the candidate? The loss of allies, the secrecy of this administration,the cover-ups and torture and constantly being lied to? Do you want to allow more terrible things like New Orleans. It was his slow and uncaring action that I criticize. Do you want to have to worry about your Social Security being terminated? McCain wants privatized Social Security. Think what those rich people have already done to the average citizen.That was one of the things Bush wanted . Do you want to continue with the arrogant administration breaking every law in the book , AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT. The Democrats should be held responsible also because many of Bush's offences should have called for impeachment and Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the house. stated that
Impeachment was not on the table. Obama is a well educated man and I ask every Democrat to put aside their disappointment and fight for the election of a Democrat.The recovery of our nation is truly at stake.
If u r a real Democrat the notion of voting for Mc cain should not even cross your mind, the point is the two states broke the rules and the have been punished for that(even the republicans have halved the delegete count from this two states). The goal for all dems is to make sure that we take back the white house, most dems have voted and OB is the winner, he has won by every metric out there( including popular vote), if we start fight amongs ourselves then the reps will take the white house again and a war in Iran is inevitable.( remember Mc cain song bomb,bomb,bomb Iran). USA is the strongest in the world but lets remember nobody win all the time, can be bullying others to submission everytime. Let talk with a soft voice carrying a big stick.
We the real democrats will NOT be provoked by angers, emotions and hatred feelings. We will fully support whoever wins the nomination.
This is NOT about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, so whoever says that if their candidate is not gonna be a nominee then they would chose McCain, I;m sorry either you're just a troll from the next door party or you're not a member of The Democrat Party long enough.
This is about taking this COUNTRY to the right direction. One more time, this is NOT about fulfilling someone's ambition to be the POTUS.
Hillary or McCain but never Obama. The ruling on MI was a disgrace and Fl should have gotten 100%.
The democratic party has become a cess pool of left wing nuts I no longer have any respect.
Why are people being so silly. How can you ask that the DNC sits all the FL and MI delegates when Obama didn't have his name at all in MI and didn't campaign in FL. Clinton is just trying to make things hard and it'sdisgraceful. And she keeps on saying she can win come Nov. How can you trust her to that when she has failed to beat Obama in any category. He has raised more money, won more states, won more votes. This is a joke. Funny how Hillary counted MI and FL and left of the cacus states (you really think she believes every voice counts). People at least for the sake of self respect be fair in the contest.
And the people thinking of backing McCain, I haven't heard anything so childish. You would throw away all your ideals, keep the young men and women of your country in war. Just because you favorite wasn't the chosen. Think about it. Don't be selfish, you owe it to those troops. The Presidency isn't American Idol....
IVAN and those with similar views.
RBC did the very best given the facts. What seems to be missed by so many are the rules. Should the party rules be ignored? Should no penalty be warranted? Now it is time to unify!
If people really what another Bush term just to spite themselves then so be it. I think that in spite of all the negativity coming from the HRC camp I think the DNC did the best they could in the middle of the game. I also would like to ask where were the die hard Clinton supporters when this whole penalty process was being discussed before the primary even started? Oh you thought it was a slam dunk so no big deal.
To all so-called democrats who are saying "Hillary or McCain", guess what? YOUR VOTE WILL HAVE VERY LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES and none of then to you or your family's benefit. But go ahead and take pride in the mess you'll support with your short-sighted stance. Btw, why don't you ask Hillary. "Why did you sign an agreement that Michigan and Florida WOULD NOT COUNT?" She refuses to answer that question... And ask yourself, is this how she plans to run our country? dividing its people? sinking it in debt like her campaign? putting her selfish interest first because she's not a quitter? That sounds pretty much like Bush... don't you think? There is a strong difference between being smart and being wise...
Did Rush Limbaugh in disguise?
If I understand Ivan correctly, if Clinton is not the nominee, you're saying that 'moderate democrats' (hopefully that is not a synonym for 'hard working Americans, white Americans') should not vote for the candidate (Obama) whose policies they generally agree with...but instead vote for McCain simply to spite the DNC? It's comments like yours that show the true colors of Clinton and her base.
The near 16 years of the Bush-Clinton monarchy is coming to an end, and no matter how my tricks the clinton base my try, or idle threats that they shout at the top of their lungs, nothing is going to change that fact.
The should shut up and follow the rules
DNC has done an excellent job with fair judgement. Ofcourse, panelty should be there to break the rules as well the candidates has to follow the DNC guidelines. Hillary Clinton didn't remove her name with a cheating mind to " STEAL ALL VOTES " for herself only. Here, I have to admire Obama. Edwards, Richardon and others who removed their names promptly to respect DNC guidelines...shame on cheater Hillary.
OBAMA 2008...!!!
Ivan, you're right. The most important thing right now is to teach democrats a lesson. So why not elect someone who would carry on the worldwide killing? You don't get the point. It's not about the person, it's about the policy. And people should realize it before it's too late. And I hope, I truly do hope, that the majority of Clinton supporters are smarter than this.
Now that the decision about Florida and Michigan has been made, it's time for this fiasco to end. The decision was fair, and as Democrats we need to come together. Clinton supporters who claim they wil vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee are only spiteing themselves, in particular, if it is the Clinton supporters who will be most hurt by a McCain win (the white blue collar workers and women that seem to be Clintons biggest supporters). If McCain wins, we can kiss a better healthcare system goodbye, women's right to chose will be thrown out of the window, gas prices will skyrocket, our men and women in Iraq will continue to be there another 100 years, and the economy will continue to deteriorate. Wake up! There are some of us who can afford to weather through these bad times, but not everyone. The Democratic win is essential in November. Clinton supporters, don't HURT yourselves just go prove a point.
only and ingnorant fool would vote fore McCain soley on the basis of this decision.
the fault here lies with the states itself and the RBC committee
they could have done this last year by striping them of half their delegates, gave the super delegates half a vote, and forfeited the non-elected official super delegates
The state, this committee and dnc should suffer for it.
Not a Candidate
even with full Votes Clinton is not going to get the nomination but can blow up the party
There was no real election in Florida or Michigan
Only in the old Soviet Union would they call an election where the new candidate is not able to compete because the other 7 signed a pledge
not to compete there and the same in Michigan
Give me a break
you idiots we have 140,000 troops in Iraq that need to be brought home
we need 10,000 more troops and proper equipment to train the Afghan army
the economy is in the tank
Health care costs are going up
and were going to see $5 gas by the end of the summer
and you want to teach the DNC a lession or take you ball and go home
because your candidate ran a horrible campaign and only was able to
gain some traction by lieing, breaking pledges, and running negative ads
60% of the country has a negative view or doesn't find her trust worthy
that means everybody doesn't like her but you Hillary suppoter
and I say one last thing if she doesn't end this and get behind Obama
you can forget VP
you can't be no 2 if you don't acknowledge who is no 1
I tired of you debating it is still a game when it's been over since the 11
consecutive loses in Feb due to a bad candidate and a worse campaign strategy.
Obama removed his name from Michigan in deference to the DNC's decision that Michigan and Florida would not be counted due to THEIR rule breaking.
Why should he be punished because he followed the rules and respected his party's decision?
I think this decision MORE than fair to Mrs. Clinton. Considering she :
1. agreed that Michigan votes would not count. AT ALL.
2. has been quoted and is on record as stating that "everyone knows Michigan votes will not count." as reason for NOT removing her name from the ballot.
I am neither an Obama or a Clinton supporter. I find this entire situation untenable. Mrs. Clinton was for the war before she was against it, and was for the DNC rules stripping Michigan of it's delegates before she was against it.
Ivan, you're missing the bigger picture here. Sure, in a purely democratic election each vote would count as an equal. That's a "pure" way of doing things and I agree with you on principle that this should be the case. But that's not the way America is. It's not the way the Democratic nomination is, it's not the way the Republican nomination is, and it's not the way the General Election is, either. What you're talking about is a pure 1-for-1 vote where there is not electoral college and no delegates.
Well that's not what we have. There are arguments for and against it, but the fact is that we exist in the world we exist in. Changing the rules right now goes against another principle factor in democracy: the rule of law. We'd love to be able to change things to the way we think they "should" be, but the fact is that not everyone agrees on the way things should be.
Blaming the DNC for following the rules it has set forth is likely blaming a cop for arresting a guilty individual and then complaining because you happen to like that person. How can you possibly say that they need to be "taught a lesson"? They followed their rules, which are much like the rules of the General Election. This is not some recent thing. these rules have been around for quite some time. America votes using delegates and the electoral college. You might as well blame the entire United States for promoting a system that doesn't have a "pure" democracy.
The "half vote" is a concession, in fact it is a GIFT to the governments of Michigan and Florida. The DNC could have taken away half of the delegates (the actual number of people attending the convention in Denver). Instead they said that all of the members could go, but they receive a half-vote. If I had to choose between half the number of people with a full vote and the same number of people with a half-vote, I will choose the latter any time.
You preach about having the "right to vote". That is exactly what they are doing. They are giving more members of the Florida and Michigan the "right to vote" in the primaries. What's funny is that for all your desire to claim it as such, you're dead wrong about voting in the primary as a right. The fact is that the DNC has it's own rules. The primary is not an official part of the Washington process. The DNC ALLOWS states to vote, but as we've seen, there are rules to follow in order to be given that right. Florida and Michigan went against the party rules and the citizens paid.
If you want to "teach somebody a lesson" perhaps you should direct your anger to the representatives of those states who allowed a violation of rules. I realize that the Republicans in Florida are being blamed for the moving up of the primary, but had the Democrats so much as voted against it they would have been deemed as doing their best. As it is, only ONE Florida democrat voted against moving the primary up, the rest voting in support of it.
Stop blaming the DNC for following rules, and start actually understanding the government you live under before your start criticizing those who run it.
All Moderate democrats should vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee? first Obama is The Nominee. if u wanna Vote McCain that's Your Vote and your Choice! you said ... this will teach the DNC the lesson . maybe u right but most Important Lesson will be you and same 1 like you.. 8 more years to bush.... but u know what i really like to Vote Mcain. why.... same Reason like u !!! hmmm i just like Clinton and she lost so late me push it as far as i can push . it's logic ah
I'm not American but an outsider looking in with great interest at the Democrat race, and with the hope that McCain will not be the next president after 8 years of Bush and a failed US/ UK Iraqi war.
Mrs Clinton has obviously completely damaged the Democrats ability to win in November with her actions to continue in the race, she should have bowed out of the race with grace, and should now agree with the fair decision of the Commission. She and her husband Bill are two of the most divisive and self-interested politicians.
If she really wants a united Democrat party she should bow out after Tues...but lets see....I don't think she will as Bill so desperately wants to be back in the White House.
Why didn't they give Michagan votes to all candidates that we still in the race in January? Why not give the uncommitted vote to Edwards, or some other guy? Notice I said guy, and I belive with BHO included that would mean 4 men. How about 10 delegate to each?
If Obama were not black would he have received Oprah's financial and media backing? Not likely. He is a gifted orator, but our country desperately needs the experience and international respect that Senator Clinton would provide at this crucial time in history. The Democratic party is not likely to win this election if the only choice is between a charismatic neophyte and a seasoned politician. Washington politics require savy players and Senator Clinton would be able to maneuver the issues more adroitely than either of the other candidates. The Democratic Party is going to regret handing this election to the Republicans and forever weakening their party as well as our country.
PLEASE don't vote for McCain – I am sure that ALL the politicians (MI, FL, and DNC) involved will see the devastating consequences of their decisions in this primary.
But PLEASE do not make my children, our country, and the rest of the world suffer the because of ASININE OBSTINACY. This whole process has been upsetting for all sides, but there is too much at stake to stubbornly vote for four more years of the same tyranny.
We have all suffered enough already. I am sure that they will fix these problems for next time, but why punish the people for the failures of the politicians? And punish us with MORE bad politicians? Just don't reelect the decision makers on the MI and FL issue...
We have heard these people saying vote McNasty if Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee. Which essential means that either these folks are incredibly stupid; so embroiled in a cult of personality that they can not clearly evaluate their own or other Democrats circumstances. Or they are these so called rush limbatics under the hypnotizing drug induced rhetoric of their master sent from another planet to destroy the democratic party. By any account the true dems should begin reunification and realize that the things we are all fighting for are more important than who the Democratic Nominee is.
In a Democray it is true that all votes should count, but rules must not be broken, not even Florida or Michigan should be above the law.
I believe the DNC did the the could to make everyone happy. You break the rules, your going have some kind of penalty. If your gonna jump ship and go Rep., this means your not a true Dem. If we lose, I now know who the blam; (Michigan) your not a team player. At least
I don't have to worry about the DET. Loins change the rules in the NFL
I agree with Ivan for the most part. The DNC's decision today is outrageous. I will either simply not vote or vote McCain. I am on the fence at this point. However, to me it is also about Obama and Hillary. I will NEVER vote for someone who condones racism and takes his children to a place of worship and allow that rhetoric to be imbedded into his children's consciences. I certainly would not allow my child to be exposed to racism in any way, shape or form. I cannot identify with this man. It is also disturbing that his "friends" in his church believe it is more than appropriate to make fun of and attack Hillary Clinton during services. It is all adding up. Factor in Obamas "brush off" joke at Hillary's expense after the Philadelphia debate. Not exactly presidential material. He has very much encouraged all the Hillary bashing up until the NC and Indiana primaries. Then suddenly he says that "we all need to be nice to Hillary supporters" after it was pretty clear he would get the nomination. I donated nearly $900 to Hillary. Obama will not get my vote nor my dollars. I have been watching all the coverage day in and day out for months and am amazed that even some of his surrogates indicate when defending him that some voters may reach unfair conclusions about him (regarding Wright, Ayers, the Priest) because voters don't know that much about him. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a person to become President of the United States of America (the most powerful leader in the free world) that they don't know much about? A vast majority of the people who voted for him didn't even know his name a year ago. What is very scary is that we are in war that has now claimed more than 4,000 Americans; the economy is in the tiolet and gas prices are at an all time high, yet 1/2 of the Democrats have voted for a man they don't know much about. Crazy! This all a bad dream.
What amazes me is the way the Clinton supporters speak now. Why didn´t they say this a year ago when Michigan and Florida were penalized? That would have made more sense. HILLARY ran a great race but unfortunately Obama ran a greater one. They both had their problems along the way and Obama handled his better. Stop the crying and give this country the president and change is deserves. Democrarcy means counting all the votes but it equally means play by the rules. Any institution or country without rules and laws is called a Jungle.
Ivan if your saying that the moderate democrat shuold vote mcain well let me tell you are not even a democrat your bunch of repubs poking there mouth in democrats business I have one word for you it is not going to work democrat will come together and vote any democratic winner so please back off
f this is not about Hillary or Obama. Why are you willing to vote McCain? Don't ask me to vote McCain. I'm going to vote Democrat no matter who the nominee.
I might not be college educated, but I have common sense. I can't pay 4 – 6 dollars a gallon for gas. I don't wont to see my fellow americans kill in this war. I don't wont go without health care or see anyone else go without. I don't wont to lose my home, because jobs are leaving the US.
You can be an idiot all you wont, but don't expect me to join you in your idiocy.
Let them go vote McCain. They were never true democrats from the start anyway. Bye bye and good luck
. Now for the white house.
It looks to me that many of clinton's supporters are clinching onto McCain's side all of a sudden (just because thingd are not going there way), I guess we are going to be in IRAQ untill 2050 then if yall say so...voting for McCain is just like voting for BUSH and we do not need that right now, we need Americans to excel and have more opportunities out there for the new generation. CLinton needs to stop being a crybaby about things. Obama's name was not even on the ballot so she's still lucky to get her little boost in delegates and she should be happy about that, but its not going to last long due to the fact that she's down 200 and something delegates with 3 days left in the primaries. He's winning fair and sqaure no gimmicks, and crying, and pandering.
This is the most equitable outcome under the circumstances. If Senator Clinton really has the interest of the Democratic Party and Country at heart, she should fully accept the DNC decision.
She should gracefully concede defeat after Tuesday's Primaries and then work as hard as she has done to date to heal the Party and help Senator Obama defeat McCain in November.
I feel that it is absolutely ridiculous that the Clinton supporters would even consider voting for John McCain. First off, Hillary supported the idea of not counting the delegates in Florida and Michigan and now since she is losing she wants the rules to change in her favor. It's funny because I know if the scenario was reversed and Obama was the one losing and he tried to get the delegates seated, the Clinton camp and supporters would say it is absolutely ridiculous that Obama is trying to get the rules changed. Basically, she is not only trying to cheat Barack Obama out of the nomination, but she is also cheating the other 48 states that followed the rules.
I'm a registered Democrat in Florida and I still voted even though I knew that it wasn't going to count. I didn't feel disenfranchised because I knew that the vote wasn't going to count. I just did it because I wanted to. So the fact that Hilary even got anything out of this should be good enough. I felt that the DNC was very reasonable with the solution considering the rules were broken. Hillary, I say that you have the right to run until the last primary but once that is over, it's time to drop out. This country can not take another 4 years of the Republicans and what you are doing is hurting the party dearly. Quit being selfish and give up. If you truly care about, not only about the party, but the American people as well, you will drop out.
Someone needs to nudge Sen. Clinton! It's over-I'm sorry, but it is. If by some act of God himself, she get's the nod, I'd vote for her because I am a democrat to my core, but I mean, come on!! Stop!!! For the love of God, stop!!
Obama '08
is half a vote the same as being counted as 2/3rds of a person?
It is very sad that Clinton supporters continue to say they will vote McCain. If that's what they want – go ahead. BUT – they will be responsible for a third republican term in succession, not Obama.
I watched the RBC meeting yesterday and it's difficult to come to any other conclusion that the Clinton 'supporters' there did nothing other than discredit themselves and their candidate. Very sad.
It makes no sense to me how these people can agree that the Democratic party violates the bedrock principles of democracy, and in retaliation, they will vote for McCain, whose party punished Florida and Michigan in exactly the same fashion: half the votes as punishment for early primaries.
Last time I checked the DNC and RNC both allowed only half of the delegates. This was a fair compromise. I really don't understand the sour grapes attitude by some Clinton supporters. Maybe they should stop making excuses and just admit that they simply aren't comfortable voting for Senator Obama. He's winning fair and square, and will win the nomination. He has run an exceptional campaign, while maintaining his integrity. If these supporters feel McCain is the way to go then more power to them, and when the same old politics continues to PLAGUE our nation they will only have themselves to blame!!!!
Iam a Hillary supporter but I dread the day when rules will be meaningless !
“Fighting for our rights ?” Not sure what rights are being referred to! I understand the right to live in an orderly society where rules are respected!
Shame to our leaders!
Obama have just won the race to the white house and i dont know Mrs Clinton is going onand on all because she is Clinton? No need for this ha la balow, if she was the one leading i dont think the DNC will go all the way to hear this case , is time for Clinton to bow out and keep her head high Shame on her if she follows thsi to the convention and hope all the super delegates will go for OBAMA coz he is the REAL DO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OBAMA GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So wait, Hillary got 50% of the delegates from states who's votes she initially said shouldn't count and in one state where Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot? And her supporters STILL aren't happy? Sounds to me like she was rewarded with votes she wasn't entitled to, by her own previous admission. Yet she has her supporters pointing fingers at the DNC?
How about pointing fingers in the following directions:
1) At the people in FLA for continuing to elect Republicans. It was the Republican-controlled state legislature and the Republican governor that moved up that primary date. Stop voting republican, they wont get elected, and they wont be able to screw with the voting process.
2) At the Dem party heads in Fla for not filing an appeal to move the date back. They had roughly a YEAR between when the date was moved up and when the elections were held to take this to the courts and they decided instead to just play a game of chicken with the DNC and see who blinked first.
3) And of course at Hillary who, like every other Dem candidate, agreed that those votes wouldn't count. Why do you think it is that ALL the other Dem candidates had their names off the ballot in Michigan? She said, back in October, and I quote: "I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot" and "You know, it's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything.".
Yep! Your hero Hillary helped stab you guys in the back ... but make sure you paint her as an innocent victim in all this as you continue to blame everybody ELSE but her. It's the Hillary way!
Time to accept the inconvenient truth now and get over it Hillary homers, or punish yourselves as well by helping elect Bush to a third term via McCain. Just don't complain about Republicans afterwards like you've already been doing for YEARS already!
You lost that right when you helped elect one.
lets start a new party...perhaps the "Centrist Party", with Hillary as our nominee for President. Now that would be an ellection!
Ivan, you would vote to continue the policies that has virtually destroyed the respect of our country abroad, caused countless deaths, brought out economy to the crapper, taken no meaningful steps to stem the threat of terrorism, constantly stonewalled any policies which help stem our addiction to oil as well as protect our environment? You are right, this is not about Hillary or Obama, but it is not JUST about your votes, it is about the future of the world and our children and grandchildren. EVERYONE knows that the DNC warned FL and Michigan, but they showed NO respect for their own bylaws...so tell me, should they be exempt from the rules? IF the DNC just decided to reject their votes for no apparent reason, there would be justification in all this protesting. I don't trust Obama nor Hillary, but I certainly would choose either one over McBush. I hope you and others like you realize the implications of what you are proposing and repent from such thoughts. Getting ANYONE who will get us out of this mess is much more important than your childish complaints.
Has everyone forgotten that Florida and Michigan broke the rules? Clinton and her supporters didn't have any problem with this back in February. Clinton even stated then that she backed the DNC's decision not to count the votes in these states. Obama didn't even put his name on the ballot in Michigan. There never HAS been a fair solution to this problem from the minute these two states took it upon themselves to break the rules and hold their primaries earlier than they were supposed to. The voters in these two states have every right to be angry – but they're directing their anger at the wrong people. Be angry at the governors of your states that took your votes away from you in the first place by breaking the rules!
Canadian observer
Ivan, what's about the rules in your party? When you are a winner, you agree with he rules, when you are not agree, the rules are not fair. Free for all.
It is sad but the Pastor wasn't far from the truth for we are all beginning to think that you feel INITIALED.
I suppose if Clinton had a large majority without michigan and florida she would have done the same this ideological battle, using the people to destroy the party ... ridicolous...
Repub troll bloggers are loose... a vote for the old man is a vote for the same last eight years. Whatever your issues are with the DNC, remember that.
As an Obama supporter, I am glad this issue is finally over and he can now focus on the general election – McCain has had too much of a padding already and it is time he is brought down to earth. It is clear Obama is the candidate of choice by the Democratic party and by a majority of Democrats in general. What is lost in all of this is the idea that if Obama loses in November, it would really be Clinton's fault, not Obama's. I write this because if she pushes her desire to go to the convention with her army of support, it won't unify the democrats and it won't give the party the push it needs to win. Thus, Obama would have to do double the work to win half of the support of those who voted in the primaries.
It is sad really to hear Clinton supporters scream for the head of Obama and the vote for McCain – it proves how divisive Clinton truly is and how this campaign now revolves around just her and not the party. Maybe it is just hurt feelings right now that are getting in the way – since this primary season is so emotional anyway – and eventually, the Clinton folks will support Obama in the end. But, it sure does not look nor feel that way and if it continues all the way to Denver, McCain could be reserving his place at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. come November.
This is sad. Someone should instruct HRC on how to be gracious in defeat.
Will the childish tantrums of these unreasonable and uncompromising people never cease? They need to put themselves after the best interests of our troops and our country. And stop being petty! If they vote for McCain even though they are personally against the war and believe in healthcare for everyone, then they are responsible for their own actions if McCain wins. They will need to accept the consequences of their actions and not blame anyone but themselves. Each additional loss of a soldier's life is on their hands. If we end up in an additional war with Iran, that will be partially their fault for being so petty and shortsighted.
Barack isn't a bad person. I think he's been unfairly portayed and unfortunately there are many people who are all too willing to deny him a fair chance to be known and understood for his values and principals.
Democrats '08
Hillary Clinton, it's not a most that you should be the next President of this great Nation. Maybe it is not Godwilling to be ther now. Be at peace and enjoy your marriage. Take a look at the mirror and see yourself great!. Don't let the devil use you to destroy your party. There are other positions that you can operate very well. Please Hillary protect your party. We still love you.
I have been a voting Republican all of my life. I have switched to the Democratic side this year because I think That Barack Obama is the best candidate to show the world that we really are not happy with the crazy things that have happened over the last few years. I really think it will take a fresh face to show that we mean to make a change in the way things have been going. And I would/will vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the nomination. I think that we cannot afford to have a Republican in the White House any time soon.
What has amazed me is how ugly this thing has gotten. All of the lies and crazy things that I am hearing from people in the chat rooms. I can only hope that these people are doing what they are doing to undermined the election of either candidate.
But when I see people arguing about what is fair about the Michigan results I get really crazy. How can anyone say that Obama should not get any votes? His name was not on the ballot since the election was not suppose to count. I still think that if your told that if you change the date then you will not count should have held up. I have never been given any extra time from the government when I missed a deadline. (I realize the DNC is not the government but it is close enough). I also believe that if a candidate had a problem with it they should have spoken up THEN – not after seeing the results. I am not sure how they think it was fair to take votes away from Clinton. I know it would be easy to argue that at least a few of the Clinton voters might have voted for Obama if they had been given the chance but they voted for her so she should have been able to keep all of the votes.
I hope before the next election that they get some simple rules worked out on who votes when and what the penalty is, that everyone gets one vote and who you vote for gets credit for your vote, no super delegates, and states are split up based on percentage of votes. So the person that wins the popular vote wins the election.
I also hope that all of the mud slinging I keep seeing is just a few of my former Republicans trying to screw things up and that you are not buying into their Internet Swift Boat play. The bottom line is that if we don't come together behind Obama or Clinton then a couple of years from now I really believe that the outcome of the Michigan/Florida delegation seating issue might not even make our top 100 list of the most screwed up things list. It will have just been a blip on the screen.
What a shame, that the DNC has decided to act in such a spineless fashion. I would urge all Michigan and Florida Voters to let your voices known this November, and Write in your choice for president. Yes it will be a little more work on your part, but atleast YOUR voice is heard.
That will be a lesson to the DNC, and to America in general. That you will not be ignored, and to H___ with the choice for nominee that you did not actually choose.
Write In '08
The old axiomat its best..."no one that has power will willing give it up peacefully even if there opponent won it by the rules the one in power had dictated". This primary season has been an excellent example of what happens when there is a real pivot in power. Pretty amazing what the Clinton's and their political machine are willing to do to hang on.
As an immigrant from Africa, I do confess that I am really saddened by the turn of affairs in the Dem. Party. The whole thing looks and feels like tribal politics, bring your opponent down whatever the cost and if you can't, make sure that he doesn't win.
I believe rules are meant to be followed, I have two kids if they break the rules that we set for them we don't write the rules to change the punishment. I wonder if those who break the law in our society should be let go if they come up with good excuses.
Oh, politics, or is it politricks?
The Dems should realize that they have the chance to win if they play by the rules of the game. Some of them are beginning to sound like MUGABE, if I don't see my MAN/WOMAN on the podium I will vote for my enemy. How long are we going to suffer and let the consequences of that affect our children? PLEASE THINK, BE ANALYTICAL, STOP LOOKING FOR FAULTS, WE ALL HAVE IT.
Are the fence setting super delegates EVER going to get down in the dirt and finish this off. If you don't do it THIS WEEK, it's going to get really bad. Please, put her out of her misery. She has fought long and hard and deserves a rest. We all recognize her committment and it someone doesn't pull back on the reins she'll need "committed."
Mrs Hillary i appreciate your affort for been there for us,i vow to sopport you till the end of this race you are a good leader with a lot experience let us unit with Obama campaign xxx so we can have a way forward becouse DEMOCRATIC must win white house, am very sorry for this manipulating,i dont understand why we are diciving ourselves,this gat to stop before convension, DNC you have done the right thing becouse you make the law and stand on it this is part of been a good leadership UP HILLARY CLITON UP BARACK OBAMA stay together ONE LOVE xxxx ONE DEMOCRATIC
The DNC was wrong! A vote counts as ONE not 1/2. This is so wrong to the voters. If the DNC could be sued, It should be. There was nothing far about this. If Obama was so dumb to remove his name it's not up to the DNC to give him votes even 1/2 votes. If any of you want to know and understand Obama voters please go to Black wed sites. Read the comments! Trust me you will be shocked! This should not be a ran based on color or gender. Yet it has became just that! If the DNC was trying to stop a civil war , they only made things worse! God help us all and our Counrty. Obama is not Martin L. King nor does he have the experiance or knowledge needed to run our Country. We have only 2 Choices, McCain or Clinton. If Obama wins the Dem Party then McCain will win for sure! Change is just a word people .... think about it..... do you believe Obama can make changes all by hisself?
obama says that he knows more about forighn realtions than mccain does. i believe it. the reason why was just broadcast on tv. it seems that obama has ANOTHER friend that he has known forever, that he has helped financially and whose home he had dinner at many times. this man is the head of the middle eastern studies at a university and was once a teoorirt with the palestine liberation organization. this man advised obama in the past abot middle eastern politics and could be an advisorr in obamas cabinet if he becomes president. this friend is also a friend of ayers, another anti american. does everyone see a pattern here? obama has many friends that are all anti american and are terrorists. why do you think hamas endorses him?obama attended a church for 20 years where it was well known by all that the church was anti white. obama refused to accept his mothers race and instead decided to be black. his wife has a problem with white folks (read her thesis) and obama's biggest fan, donna brazille, claims that obama doesnt need whites to win the presidency for him. do you get it yet? he has LONG TERM relationships with people that hate america and hate whites. they are bitter and are very dangerous to the safety of this nation IF ELECTED to the oval office. do you dare risk your life with obama and his friends? i dont and so i will vote for mccain or anyone else BUT him. its all a fact ,...you just have to want to get to know this man better than you think that you do. open your eyes or else we are all doomed.
I find it strange that when Clinton wasn't behind she agreed that Florida and Michigan should not be seated because they broke the rules. Before the Michigan vote Barack had his name removed from the ballot in good faith. Clinton now makes it sound like she was ripped off. The Florida vote still give them the same value of what they would have originally got but the total for each was spit in half for BOTH. Michigan should have either revoted or not be counted at all since it would be obviously a bad deal no matter how you split it. You can't just give all the votes to Clinton because Barack made a good faith gesture that she applauded at first. Clinton is being a sore loser and she's gonna give the election to McCain just so another Democrat can't win.
People are losing their homes, have to choose between heat, food or clothes, and our dollar value is in the toilet. We're in a war that we have no business being in and letting the terrorist that actually attacked go on his merry way. Our economy is closing in colapse and McCain will just keep the status quo of Bush's failed policies in place.
Let not be petty like Clinton is being now. Lets not give McCain the job just because of one sore loser. The longer Clinton drags this out the more she hurts and divides this country. Barack will make a fine president and will do his very best for us. He's not a liar like Clinton or a conservative when it's works for his favor like McCain. Come on McCain is using Bush when he NEEDS him and has been the one stood behind mostly the things that give Bush a 20 rating. Then at the same time he wants you to believe he's got another plan it just sound exactly like the old one.
WAKE UP
I can understand that some Hillary supporters are angry but to say we will go to McCain when he is for the Iraq war makes no sense. What were the rule committee to do. Those two states broke the rules. My state of South Carolina followed the rules. I did not like that FL and Mi would not get delegates, but I also did not believe that those two states should go unpunished. As far as I am concerned as far as the issue of FL and MI, the issue was bigger than the candidates: Clinton or Obama. Any organization or party will fail without rules. The message was clear. If FL and MI delegates did not like when their primaries were held, then they could have made their objections known and stayed within the rules.
When I have objections to rules, I do not break the rules and try to make my own rules. I am independent and I do prefer one candidate over the other. Again, to me, the issue was about preserving the right to vote and also following the rules. I believe the committee struck a satisfactory decision. No decision was going to be a perfect solution.
I thought the compromise was more than generous. the rules committee had every right to tell MI and FL that they were sticking to the original agreement, but they bent over backwards to be fair, and Obama accepted that though he had every right to object. He's as entitltled to appeal the decision, too. I'd think twice if I were Senator Clinton.
For the record, not all of the women in the Democratic Party are supporting Hillary, and not all of Hillary's supporters are women. Lots of male Dixiecrats think Hillary is the only choice we have. The Hillary supporters will never vote for McCain. There's no way they're going to kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye and that's exactly what voting for McCain would mean.
The keynote at the Dem convention takes place on the 45th anniversary of the I Have a Dream speech by MLK – we'd be idiots if we didn't make sure that Obama gets to accept the nomination on that day. He's the best thing to happen to the Party since the early 1960s. I just hope we're smart enough and civil enough to make the most of the opportunity we have in him.
Go McCain..... never never Obama!!!!!!!!!!
False-Democrats. Will they also change their stance on War and Abortion? These people that act this way are only another in an increasingly long list of special interest groups. Pathetically sad.
Up until yesterday, I only had mental images of what this angry "mob" (well, if you want to call 20 people a mob) looked like. Then I watched the committee and saw this photo and it pretty much sums up Hillary's campaign.
I and my friends (15) will go for MacCain and this for DNC keep pushing your Obama
I miss the days I was apathetic towards politics. It was so much easier. I'm so disappointed with these Democrats.
The game is over Clinton. You just lost the last card from your chest. Help unite the party.
If this stunt of hers costs the Dems the election Hillary will be ostracized by her own party and effectively her "career" in politics will be over. Period.
She won't even be able to hang onto her senate seat.
And the funny thing is I was prepared to vote for her.
You people are like Hilly she now is saying all sorts of things and crying we the people did not HAND her this win.What in hell is wrong with this woman I think she has had a melt down.She thinks we should give her this election,we owe her this ...What is wrong with this picture Clintons telling the whole Dem party what to do and what not to do?????????If both states are happy from breaking the rules what gives her the right to carry on?????Let the witch go to Denver and get run out by the rest of the people making her the laughting stock of the whole convertion.This woman is SICK in the head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to say the least.
Good go to McCain. If Obama loses Hillary will be blamed and lose any chance to be the nominee in 2012. What a bunch of sore losers. Anyone following this campaigh knew this would happen. It was her campaign to lose and she did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a bunch of idiots. Let's turn to someone who stands for the opposite of their candidate (Clinton), just because she can't win.
Clinton supporters - do you want the world to percieve you as idiots?
Becuase if you actually turn to McCain over Obama, that is what you will be.
What alternate universe must we be living in when these people would take a Bush Republican over Obama, whose policies are almost identical to Clinton's? It baffles me.
How can this be unfair. I sit here watching TV where they are still crying over the results of yesterday's DNC meeting. Come on, be adults and get over it. They did the most fair thing. Mr. Ickes talks about fighting on and protesting the results. He keeps mentioning that 4 delegates were "hijacked" from Clinton. Let her have her HUGE victory in PR. What does it mean? Absolutely nothing after today. She will claim she has more in the popular vote. That's doing the Clinton Math. Come on people, let's get together and put the Republicans back out on the ranch and put them out of their misery.
I just finished watching Harold ICKEY on CNN – complaining about 4 delegates that were given to Barack that should have gone to Hillary. He was threatening to take the decision to the credentials committee further prolonging this unnecessary drama. Even if Barack gave her 8 delegates, she still would not win. It is over – let's start the healing process.
Hillary supporters who say they will back McCain are childish and immature. Grow up. These are the types of people who vote based on superficialities rather than the issues. Obviously, both of the Democrats' plans have more in common than McCain and a Democrat.
They will be the ones complaining if the McCain administration turns out to be a repeat of G. Bush.
Anyhow, I think they're bluffing. They won't vote for McCain, although they may stay home, which is also detrimental.
Well, Hillary Clinton has successfully pulled the Democratic Party apart. Not a big loss, but seeing as the Republicans are going to destroy this country, it comes as a bigger problem than most Americans might realize. It's going to take a huge achievement by Barrack Obama to try to put this back together.
And for those Hillary supporters who cry and moan and wail, grow up. Your leader would sell her own relatives down the river if it meant she'd win the nomination. She doesn't care about this country. She cares about her own glory–and that's it. The only reason this delegate dispute has become an issue was because she was LOSING.
I'm so sick of these Hillary supporters complaining that they were treated unfairly. GET OVER IT!! Insulting the rules committee won't solve anything and democracy and unity did happen when they voted on the compromise. It's so stupid that they think going to the conventioin or voting McCain is going to solve anything. IT WON'T!! Act like civilized people and accept the decision or you're just giving your candidate a bad reputation.
You lose in the primaries so you vote to continue the war, end legal abortion, and set back feminist issues 70 years?
Well, I'm angry because their votes were counted. Why have rules if you're not willing to abide by them. Let's see, I'll cry for a time, stomp my feet, scream like a toddler, and then I'll GET OVER IT.
Way to go Hillary. All of your shennigans, manipulations, and ego-fueled campaigning have shown that you care only about yourself and nothing for your party.
Congratulations John McCain for your eventual win in November. Is Hillary going to be your VP?
I think the people who are going to vote for McCain were going to do it anyway. It's just the adult version of my way or I'm going to take my toys and go home.
I’m a Michigan native that strongly believes that these “rules” are outrageous! I’m going to back Hillary until the end and I too think this should go to Denver. If switching to the Independent party is the answer, let’s do but I do not agree with voting for Insane McCain out of spite. Emotions are running high and we all are VERY UPSET but McCain is on a completely different path and his views are opposite ours. I do not believe Obama is the one for the white house but his views parallels Hillary in much more topics. You have to remember, if she does not get the nomination she will still sit beside him as a member of the Democratic Party so threaten to leave the party and shouting “McCain McCain” isn’t the best idea (and I believe it to be pretty disrespectful to her values). I think we should fight this until the END. But maliciously leaving our soldiers oversees for 4 more years is absolutely ridiculous.
It seems weird to me that the major criticism of those Clinton supporters who are threatening to vote McCain is that their not "true democrats." Who cares if they are or not? At the end of the day the issue here is not that they're being disloyal, but that they're being whiny little children.
This all reminds me of a kid who didn't get the kind of milk they wanted on their cereal and then threw the bowl in the floor in protest. "If I can't have it my way I'm just going to ruin it."
Grow up.
what about all those people who didn't vote because they knew and played by the rules, let them VOTE TOO NOW.
Every voter has to make their own choices.
If they make that choice because they are personally
dissapointed by the out come of a primary, they are acting
childish and need to look deeply at their beliefs.
If they vote for issues they are acting like an emotionally
mature adult.
A vote for Mc Cain is a vote for WAR and more for the
haves/ less for the have nots. Grow up and stay in the
Democratic Party.
I wanted John Edwards to be the President but will
support whomever the Democratic nominee shal be.
Peace
And if Obama losses, and HRC runs in 2012??? You can forget about it because what "what goes around,comes around", we won't forget....2012..Go McCain!...RB
102 angry Clinton supporters tell party leaders: 'Let's go McCain!' ?
shure McCain needs these votes badly
Anyone with a grain of brain can figure out that Hillary herself is the cause of all these problems with the help of Granholm, Levin and other supporters in MI! A loss in November will go down in history as the destruction of the democrats by Hillary and Bill and the divisive and destructive games they have incorporated into this race. Their personal ambitions trumps all, in their view and they have no compunctions about bringing down the rest of the world if it suits them. Their names will forwever be blackened in american politics, and it is even worse than GW invading Iraq. But they must be remembered by generations thereafter as the people we now clearly see-destructors and destroyers.
As a Florida Registered Democrat–which I will change tomorrow–I will definitely help fund, support and vote for John McCain. This is from Seminole County who has to put up with Tom Feeney as Congress Rep. No I do not support Hillary, Biden was my Candidate and I did not vote in Primary on Jan29, 2008.
I am an indepedent voter, I lean toward the democratic side. I voted for Hillary in the Primary.
The Rules Committee has just let McCain win the election on their actions yesterday. What they did was wrong.
If Obama is the nominee, I will be voting for McCain. Me and many others.
Unity in the democratic party, what a joke. It will not happen with this election.
This is just an example of how incredibly stupid people can get when they react emotionally instead of thinking it through. I believe it's call shooting yourself in the foot, and I think the Clintons and their need to win are responsible for this reaction.
I have been a registered Democrat ever since George The First gave us the great lie. I did vote for Obama in the Texas primary, but now I have come to the conclusion after watching the debacle on CNN regarding the Florida and Michigan delegates. The Democratic party is so out of touch with reality that I, like so many other will vote for Senator John McCain. I don't think that either Obama or Clinton can safely lead this country.
Somehow I find it odd that the Obama camp seems to believe their victory in November is preordained. I bet a good number of them do not even vote in November.
What a nasty nasty woman (as reflected by her supporters). The theme seems to be... if I can't have it then I'm going to destroy it. All I care about is winning. Clinton attitude – Bush attitude. Do we really need four more years of arrogance?
I don't think the DNC really believes that many Dems for Hillary will vote for McCain. Let's show them. If congress after this election becomes veto-proof, President McCain will have to compromise on many issues including Iraq.
McCain in 08!
Hillary make a Great VP for Republican John McCain
To those Clinton supporters who are going to vote for McCain, just remember this:
*Four more years of war (maybe a hundred) and loss of more American lives.
*No universal health care coverage
*Tax cuts for the rich
*Services cut for the rest of us
McBush thanks you for your support.
I've been searching this site and can't find a way to contact Wolf to correct Ickies comments (11:28am).
– Ickes indicated Obama hasn't mentioned Clinton's name at all in the new Reverand "scandal"...but he is INCORRECT!!! In Obama's media speach after the DNC result, he did in fact state that was was said about Hillary Clinton was inappropriate (or something to that effect). I hope someone (...Wolf?...) corrects this on-air during this segment. Someone needs to keep the Clinton Camp honest!!!!
The Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi led party is consistent. Tehy've done nothing in Congress and now they are denying the public the stronger (Hillary) candidate. What will they say when McCain wins?
RE: Cinton supporters crying "Let's go McCain"
It's time for Hillary to recognize the damage she is doing by prolonging her fight for the Democratic Party nonimation. If she is the responsible leader she presents herself to be, she will swallow her disappoint and urge her supporters to get behind the frontrunner. This country cannot afford four more years of the same, and that's what we'll get with McCain.
I am a Democrat who would have supported either candidate but with the recent activities – I am seriously considering backing John McCain. I am deeply bothered by Donna Brazile's comments and feel that if those are the thoughts of Democrat leaders – I cannot in good faith support this party anymore. She basically stated that one of the candidates was a cheater in reality – this is not about the candidates but about the people. I am one of the Florida Democrats that want my full vote to count regardless of who gets the nomination. Is she saying that I (a Florida voter) is a cheater?
Those Hillary supporters threatening to go to McCain are letting their emotions take over. Is going to McCain in their best self-interest? Absolutely not!
Let them get what they deserve if McCain succeeds to win the next presidential election.
WE NEED RON PAUL
At least now we know who is driving the wedge between the democratic party. I doubt Obama supports would be this stubborn. Welcome to the righteous side Clinton supports! Four more years!
I think all the Hillary supporters are forgetting the past 8 years of Bush, do you really want to go back to that? I'm with all the others who say, If you're going to vote for McCain, then you never were a real democrat. Let's grow up here! What's the point of all their whining? Let the process end and let's start getting ready for November, this is distracting the party and our chances. If we do lose in November, it won't be because of Obama, it will be because of these whining people who couldn't grow up, face the facts, and move on. I will blame them and Hillary.
If Clintons want to vote for McCain then so be it. I hope that when they do I hope that they make out wills for the children and grandchildren. A vote for McCain is a vote for war and the draft. So think about it, do you really want to send to their possible death. We have had Presidents over the past 35 years that have represented the Corporate interests in America. It is about time that we have a President that will be truly representing the citizens. So if you are voting for McCain your vote is not being cast for himm it is being cast for Corporate America.
United States of America or United States of Corporate America
GO OBAMA '08 '12
It is time for change
Some people here are calling the Democratic party all sorts of names for granting MI and FL's delegates half votes each. You may want to know:
The Republican party ALSO DECIDED TO GRANT MI AND FL's delegates half-votes each.
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Meanwhile, John McCain continues to insist that he will never negotiate with unfriendly countries.
Which only leaves him one option: Bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb Iran AND Syria AND North Korea AND the Palestinians AND Pakistan AND...
Count me in. I too will support McCain if Hillary is not the Nominee.
Obama doesn't have what it takes to run the country at this time.
I think the party did the only fair thing on Sat. But I also am sick of Ickes. I first heard him on my TV Sat. I think he is a bitter sad little man and needs to down and fade. He is acting Republican.
Obviously Hilary supporters could care less about the rules. Just like her. She is to blame if the party loses in November. There are lemmings on the left and the right that will go whichever way the wind blows. I think the responsible candidate knows that and doesn't throw the entire party under the bus to win.
Looks like Rush has accomplished his goal of creating chaos amongst the democrats. Hillary's supporters are trying to bully their candidate to the front of the Democratic ticket even though Barack Obama has won more delegates in primaries and caucuses that were officially sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.
They want to recognize primaries that were held in violation of the rules. The committee's ruling to strip the delegates was supported by "THEIR" candidate and now that she is losing, they want to change the rules. They talk about being fair but only when it seems to suit Hillary.
I've been trying to be understanding of the frustrations felt by Hillary suppoters, but at this point, I find this reaction from some to be childish, selfish and flat out wrong-headed.
It's disgusting that some people are willing to sentence thousands more of our young troops to death in a continued war by supporting McCain simply to satisfy their petty frustrations. And others who claim to support women's rights are willing to risk having Roe vs Wade overturned by a McCain Supreme Court, also to satisfy themselves.
How vile. If you're so small-minded that you're willing to sacrifice the lives of others to make you feel like you really stuck one to Obama, then who needs you?
The actions of the Clinton campaign to DEMAND all the delegates from non-sanctioned, uncontested primaries is unfair, ridiculous, self-serving and offensive. The thought that the next best action for a Democrat whose candidate doesn't make the cut is to go to MCBush is equally stupid! Have these people lost their minds?
Ok so let me get this straight. Hillary and Obama believe in 95% of the same things. Yet, Hillary supporters will vote Mccain if she loses. You are willing to have another 4-8 years of a Republican because your candidate is not the nominee? I think all Hillary supporters need to take a hard look at this and decide if they want to be responsible for another Bush like administration. If you are willing to go down that road then you were never a democrat in the first place. Smells like the Lieberman virus has struck again!
How can you take away 4 delegates that one candidate won and "give" them to the other? It is bad enough that they gave him all of the uncommited votes. The rules of the party say that uncommitted votes must STAY uncommitted. What a farce and yes I will be another proud Democrat that will help to bring BO down in the GE. The DNC has pushed us out. I have been a life long Dem but not this election. Get ready BObots and the DNC for a throncing come November you will have almost half of your own party voting against you. Wait for a bigger blowout than McGovern.
didnt clinton and obama both sign off on the "rules" before both ran? now clinton wants the rules changed? give me a break.... her and her supporters should be ashamed of the damage the have done to the democratic party....
They got what they asked for. They wanted the delegates from Michigan and Florida seated. Those delegates are now seated.
So it didn't come out totally in favor of Clinton and as a total disadvantage to Obama? Is that the problem?
Boo-hoo. Be careful what you wish for, Hillary.
Senator Obama and his wife withdrew their membership from Trinity Church due to recent comments from the pulpit there. However, Senator Obama said he will miss the "friendship" of the congregation. This is the congregation I remember seeing standing and applauding the despicable comments about America and the mocking of Senator Clinton, a former First Lady of the United States, and whites. How can a man be president and not distance himself from "friends" like this?
I am a Clinton supporter but... these people are making us look bad. I can't believe that people who claim to be Democrats would be so spoiled as to be willing to throw the whole race because they don't get what they want. Come on guys... if you are for Clinton then you believe in her and that means you are far more likely to agree with Obama over McCain. Don't act like a spoiled child and take your toys and go home. In the long run you are just hurting our country and our children.
DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!
If he gets it he's going down. I'm campainging ferociously for McCain. I'm an Independant now.
I honestly can't believe the way these Hillary supporters are acting. How childish. Why in the world would you turn to McCain if Hillary didn't get the nomination, the two are vastly different. It's infuriating how childish it is. The Michigan and Florida compromise is very fair. They blantantly broke the rule, they need to be punished, counting all their votes would have just set an example that its okay to break the rules because no consequences will come of it.
I am an African American woman from Illinois and Yes I will vote for McCain in Nov. why beacuse the DNC can't get its act together and does not deserve my vote!
The Clinton supporters that will vote for McCain are morons. Obama wins even if the rule comm. would have given her Mich as voted and Obama none. As for her popular vote argument, I guess since I am in a caucus state my vote doesn't count!!! Where is her concern for my disenfranchisement? So go ahead and vote for McCain. We will get four more years of Bush crap and Hillary will not get the nomination in 2012. She has ruined her reputation and other than the few nut jobs that still think she can win, she will not get any support in the future. When you do all you can to defeat your own party, you end your own political career.
I was at the protest yesterday with my 79 year old mom and my 3 children. even little ones can see the hypocracy of this "democratic ' party. my 6 y o commented " mommy why do the dems only count 48 states?' and my 9 y o son said he felt ashamed that he was seeing the democratic party act the same way he had just been learning in school the republ;icans acted to superres and deny the vote to african americans the way it was done during the civil rights struggles of the past. I will not vote for Obama and each action he pursues to disenfranchise the 17 million americans who supported senator clinton, makes me more determined to work against all democrats, particularly those high profile ones who have highjacked the nomination for their annointed hubris filled prince. the democratic party has disrespected not just senator clinton but the women, catholics, hispanics, mature americans and realists who support he. this party has left me, and i will work actively this fall to damage it as i believe only through failure will self serving hypocrits like nancy pelosi be pushed aside to return this party to its rightful and consistent constituents. Like after Mcgovern, silly dems can only learn and be serios about our nature through failure. sad....
No surprise here – Hillary's stratgey for the last few months has been to attack Obama ensuring a McCain win so she can run in 2012. Hillary has always viewed McCain as a one term president.
Hillary has only one objective in all of this – to help herself. She learned well from Bill. Both Bill and Hillary have done way more then their fair share of damage to the Dem Party. They should both just leave....the quicker the better.... by the way I am a lifelong Dem.
I and most of my friends will be voting for McCain if Obama is allowed to steal the delegates. All Michigan delegates belong to Hillary as Obama was not even on the ballot there.
Additionally, where is the separation of church and state when not one, but two of Obama's pastors are very political?
Time to revoke tax exempt status from these overtly political institutions!
I support Hillary Clinton
I was shock that they had the audacity to add a poll inside Michigan's primary. Then to make the suggestion that the majority of the people who didn't vote was Barack Obama supporters, which I don't think is true.
Woot Hillary
What senator Clinton and her supporters are trying to do is tantamount to stuffing the ballot box.
You do not bend the rules of the game in the eleventh hour when it is very evident that your chances of winning the nomination are less than ZERO!!!!. Do the right thing and save some face. Back off!
I was appalled at how rude the Clinton supporters were on Sat.
Once more Clintons demostrate how much demage a bad judgement can make.Whole this mess is based on her falsh idea that she can vin. Clintons can talk about experiance but all comes down to RIGHT JUDGEMENT, other vise we see with Bush – as we would with Hilary, how far you can go if you base your decisions on the wrong judgement.Unfortunatelu he is determin as she is to prove that she is right and uses all might to do so. Why we let him to do so, why we let her ?????????
This is really not that complicated. Just hold a new election in both Michigan and Florida. Why not? Well, Clinton would win both and most likely make things even more complicated in the selection of Obama.
The Democratic Party has chosen to solidify long term black support by nominating Obama. The general election in November will be a landslide win for McCain.
Four years from now Edwards will be in a position to heal the party – this is why he chose to support Obama.
Anyone that can add and is honest enough to admit race is THE issue knows the general election is lost.
I am a livelong Democrat and 60s liberal and retired Political Science educator. I will vote for Obama in the General. Unfortunately I am also a realist.
I am one of them. I think Hillary would be good for the country. A strong woman with the determination to do battle for what she believes is right for us. It is clear that it will be hard for her to get the nomination with delegates but the popular vote issue is something that must be looked at when Barack is nominated in whether he asks her to be VP. (He should)
But that being said, I have great respect for McCain. I also think he is a strong man with the determination to do battle for what he believes is right for us. I am a gay man and I can be happy with that decision.
Barack is a good man but not strong. His words yesterday about resigning from his church were more about the media making an issue than with him being disgusted with the way his 'spiritual leaders' conduct themselves. Its your church for 20 years. If it was not a sermon on Hillary, could it been a sermon on gay lifestyle or marriage, on white people as a whole, on latinos? It is more for me about what is being said all the time because after 20 years I am certain you have heard something UTTERLY disgusting that you would have walked away a long time ago.
I'm gay and catholic. I have left many churches where I feel that my life was being disrepected. I remain Catholic but attend a church were the words are more peaceful and less hateful. Barack you would haave been a better man if you made that choice.
Hiliary Clinton didn't have a problem not counting Florida and Michigan until she needed them. Even one of her own adivisers sits on the rules committee that took the votes away. Rules are rules, but I once heard a Clinton supporter say "Rules are meant to be broken:" Sounds like the last 8 years. Nothing worse than bad losers.
You got that right...from the outset of this campaign the insiders in the democratic party were blinded by the show of the drugged out zonked out American Idol type supporters of obama that confiscated the TV. And the good old white boy bloggers like olbermann and matthews who surely must be afraid of a strong women took it up and the wimpy ones added to the fuel.
The rock bed solid base of the democrat party because they were not as flashy and did not have the blogs and the TV frontage were ignored. No more.
This Democratic Party has collasped and who is to blame obama and his supporters. We will now see what he can do except sit on his butt in front of the buttons in the Illinois senate and ignore every thing except pushing present and in the US senate not even doing that and the dumb butt DNC thinks he can garner the support of the people who want a president to run the country, not one who can smirk, chant wave and dance...we had eight years of that. WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE. Just think if obama the bummer doesn't know which button to push (his excuse for voting present) do you think he will start an nuclear war by accident?
YEP WE ARE STARTING TO ORGANIZE NOW ""DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN""' obama will be a name that will live in infamy in the democratic party...he did what the republicans couldn't do..DESTROY OUR PARTY.
Let them! If these Clinton backers are that selfish and immature, then they deserve to have 4 more years of Bush's continues failed foreign and domestic policies. This has to be one of the top dumbest remarks made by a support.
For the record, Senator Obama and Senator Clinton agree on the approach to most issue, with only slight variations in the execution of those ideas. Can the same be said of the Republican's canidate? I think not.
@Ivan:
"this will teach the DNC the lesson that in democratic system all votes are equal. there is no such thing as half vote."
I'm not sure what you would like the commitee to do. Say that Obama would not have gotten any votes there. Let's be real you know and I know that would never have happened. Being from Michigan and knowing that our legislator, which is Demacratic, broke the rules is very said and we needed to as a state have to pay a price. You cry being far like my five year old. What they decided is fair. I also voted for Hillary so yes it is sad but it is fair. Let's move on and win this thing.
Obviously those who will vote for McCain due to the DNC's delegate decision are not paying attention to any issues, just personalities. This country needs to vote out the Republicans before any more damage is done to this country. Voting Democrat (Obama or Clinton) is the first step.
my question is why should obama get half the delegates in mc when his name was not on a ballot he took his name off that was his fault not hillarys yes they did break the rules but it always looks like obama gets the best results on everything (way to go howard dean destroy the voters right) you did not make it as pres. now you will do it through obama to bad he will not win (hillary or mccain 08 )no way to obama
Can someone explain me please why Hilary Clinton did not stop her campaign machine in those both states Florida and Michigan when she knew votes were not supposed to count because of the non-respect of the party rules???? In my opinion, she is responsible of what is happening right now and all the hatred coming from her supporters. What a lack of leadership and hate for democracy. And there are people who wants her as president? With Hilary as president, welcome to the third world war!
For me the issue is not simply the Florida and Michigan delegates, but rather the entire nominating process. Had the nominating process been the same as the Republicans, Hillary would be the nominee. Had all states had primaries (which are more representative) rather than some having caucuses, Hillary would be the nominee. And then add to that the Florida and Michigan debacles and the Democrats have Obama as the nominee. To the DNC I say, your process is flawed. I voted for Hillary here in California, I will not be voting for Obama in November.
It is clear by the headlines stating Clinton supporters may support McCain, that America , after years of apparent progress, is still rampant with racism and bigotry. Barack Obama represents the best qualities of not only America, but humanity, and deserves the nomination and the presidency. After 8 years of " W " and the disgrace he and his cadre of criminals ( Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, et al.) have brought on America's reputation abroad, it is beyond comprehension how anyone could vote for a Republican.
I support Hillary Clinton
If Barack Obama speaks on bringing people together, it doesn't take a president to do that job as much as it would to bring the economy back together and our relationships global. When Barack Obama mention what type of change he means in Iowa, it was basically fixing the economy. Who is up for that job more? Hillary Clinton, vote for Hillary.
Woot Hillary
I am a 41 year old woman who has a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. Having said that, I am appalled at her supporters attitudes about supporting John McCain over Barack Obama in November. While these may be emotional threats uttered in the spur of the moment, and may ultimately be empty, her camp can not claim that this has not been a thorough and fair primary campaign. The fact is, for many reasons, Hillary Clinton did not do as well as she had expected. She expected to have the nomination locked up after Iowa and Super Tuesday and therefore agreed to the sanctions imposed against Florida and Washington months back. Now, facing the end of the road, she is now reversing course on the tacit agreement she made with the DNC. Talk about flip-flopping.....
Truth is, Obama and Clinton have much more in common in terms of their policies that either of them do with McCain. Clinton supporters need to put aside their vitriol and remember that they are Americans first (and can they honestly say more of the Bush agenda is what they want for our country?), Democrats second, and Clinton supporters third. I would love to see a woman in the White House. I would love to see an African American in the White House–but more than anything I would love to see a Democrat in the White House, and I hope Clinton supporters come around. Or it will be more of the same Republican in the White House, only an older more Hawkish version....is that what Clinton supporters want? Really.....
This is very childish decision by DNC. When the official of Michigan and Florida announced their date, they should act that time and not now. When the vote is scheduled and voters vote, it's not voters fault, it's official's fault. DNC should punish the official and not the voters. The vote is fundamental right in democratic society and that right is stripped off by DNC.
If the system is faulty, Obama should take a stand for his so called "change" and change the rule. In this case it looks like Obama's personal gain over took his much hyped stant "Change we can". He can not deliver what he talks. Then why should people will vote him. A voter will always be neutral and vote who thinks will good for the country and society and who can deliver.
I WANT MY VOTE TO BE COUNTED
NO MORE CAUCUSES, NO MORE SUPER DELEGATES
PRIMARY WITH WINNER OF EACH STATES TAKE ALL
HILLARY 08
hey sore losers just accept it, Hillary has lost it. Even if Hillary were to receive the full delegates she still would be trailing Obama. Face the facts, dont whine about losing.
rosa parks broke the rules. because the rules were UNFAIR.
If they want McCain then go for it. What kind of democrats are you. Pick up your crayons and go home. Don't keep crying about the war if you vote for McCain. I would think the people dying in Iraq would be enough to make you see the light, guess not. It is not all about Hillary anymore, and these people are just nuts!!
HILLARY SUPPORTERS ARE EXACTLY LIKE HER – SHRILL AND BITTER. THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT BULLY YOUR WAY TO THE NOMINATION. AMERICANS ARE SICK OF THESE TACTICS – LET'S SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS. FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY THUMBED THEIR NOSES AT THE RULES AS DID HILLARY. THEY ARE FORTUNATE THEY ARE BEING ALLOWED ANY PRESENCE AT THE CONVENTION AT ALL.
A committee of 30 displaced the votes of 600,000 Michigan voters and violated one of our most precious freedoms.
I am a lifelong Democrat, but I no longer recognize my party. Pelosi and Dean do not reflect my values, and they are living in denial if they think that this decision will unite the party. Given a choice between Obama and McCain, I will be forced to vote for a Republican for the first time in my voting life.
They say this now out of emotion, but when it is all said and done. We will unite as a party. No Democrat in their right mind would vote for McCain.
I Thought the DNC made a fair compromise under the circumstances, they knew full status would not be on the table!
Hillary Clinton was fine with the status quo until she realized she was losing and then wanted the rules
changed in the middle of the game ...well guess what ..Life does not work that way!!!
If she is honorable and devoted to her party and having party unity then she will accept defeat and gracefully bow out. We will soon find out if party unity means more or her own greed for power and big ego!!
personally I thought her supporters made spectacles of themselves at the meeting, acting like a bunch of unruly kindergarten kids and very immature.I said days ago on CNN that fan support could come back to bite the dems and it could turn nasty and it did.They should have had a closed meeting!
The super delegates created this fiasco...they could have ended it days ago but they all deluded themselves by saying how exciting this race was!
All I can say to her supporters is grow up!!! If you vote for McCain out of revenge then you deserve to wallow in the misery of 4 more years of Bush style government, more loved ones getting killed for
Bushs illegal and immoral war, taxes for the rich and poor economy more forclosures and even higher gas prices!!!!
This is why the youth are voting for Obama so overwhelmingly because Clinton will do anything to win. Florida and Michigan both knew the consequences of their actions before they decided not to abide by the rules. Furthermore, the ones that are pushing for the Florida and Michigan vote to count, what example are you setting for the youth of America. You are telling the youth that it is OK to break the rules if it is to your advantage. The youth of this nation are smarter than most adults realize. They (the youth) can tell when you are being hypocritical, or truthful. The youth of America seems to be more honest than the adults. The adults can learn from the youth and stick to what was established and agreed to before hand. If you show the youth how to circumvent the rules and laws than you cannot become angry when they (the youth) do so because they are only learning from the adults’ example.
Basically, Clinton tried to breach a contract and if the adults who supported Florida and Michigan (being seated the way they were) they have no right to ever chastise a youth when they flaunt the rules and laws. This is not the example I would want any youth to learn. Maybe society needs to stop saying grow up and start saying revert back to being a youth. The supporters of this breach of contract have no leg to stand on (if it were a court of law) and the youth see this overwhelmingly. No Clinton supporter can see that according to the rules, none of those votes should have counted but they feel their candidate does not need to abide by the rules. What kind of president would Clinton make if she is so willing to break the rules if it suits her agenda. If Clinton felt so strongly about Florida and Michigan, why did she agree to them not counting. Can any of you Clinton supports answer that question honestly? No you cannot and be honest at the same time. Go head and look the youth in the eye and explain why you support breaching the contract and they will no longer respect you because they can look through your hypocrisy.
I agree AL, Clinton supporters need to grow up and stop acting like soil brats. Florida and Michigan broke the rules and had to pay a price. Go ahead and vote for McCain. They were never real Democrates anyway.
Why don't her supporters ask why she agreed, and stop blaming the DNC. She Didn't have to agree, She could of protested loud and clear
when the other candidates agreed she didn't.. The bottom line is she's losing, and wants to change the rules.
She has a very bad habit of not knowing what she's signing and agreeing to. Experience 101 know what your agreeing to and signing..
for. Very poor judgement in political matters.
When things don't work out, Sen. Clinton and her supporters kick and scream like five year olds until they get there way. Not this time you
brats!
Obama 08
Each time that Hillary insists to keep running, I get this feeling. She wants Obama loses next Novemeber election, so she could go 4 years later against an unpopular Republican Party and against a 76 years-old, tired and Mr. More/same/as/Bush, John McCain. A local newspaper in NC published this joke: "It should be considered unconstitutional that George Bush aspires for a third term, but now using other name". Yes, It's a joke, but thinking very well, a reality.
Looks like a scorched earth policy by HRC and some of her more fantatical and totally in-denial, supporters. The close fought contest is clearly over to all except those who refuse to accept defeat. I wonder if the Clinton goal now will be to continue to issue threats, launch legal challenges, and push for further discord in the party. All with the aim of undermining Obama and the party in hopes he loses the coming election; then in her mind she will rise up again to rescue the party in 2012. Sadly, only in her dreams. The reality would be a shattered party and the Republicans in power another 4 years – what a legacy she will leave behind. On the other hand, Obama has done a great job of mobilizing new voters, young voters, independents and even some disgruntled Republicans to the Democratic party. Maybe he won't need these bitter Hillary supporters anyway.
Of course they do. When she interviewed with Wolfe B. he ask her if Senator Obama were to get the nomination would she support him. Senator Clinton said she would and she would tell the 17 million people who voted for her to vote for McCain . She immediately correct and said Senator Obama. She got her message across and only her supporters caught it. Another intentional mis-speak.
What would happen if the whole process was changed? ONE primary for both parties...ONE date for all primaries to be held. And while we're at it...get rid of the Electorial College. Let ALL votes count.
I am a Michigan voter and I am not happy with this decison, the voters should not be the ones punnished for what happened find another way to punish Michigan and Florida not using the voters and cutting our votes in half.
And as Far as me being a Hillary supporter I am not so sure I will even vote if Obama is the nominee not because of Race just because everyone is so eager for change and think he is it, but lets face it he is the same as Hillary and McCain just everyyone is so blind to see it. Look at his pastors he shares their beliefs but as soon as he is called out about it he turns his back on his church of 20 years? Talk about a switcher. And yesterday at his press conference he couldn't even answer questions he was so nervous, how is he suppose to win the general election with McCain. He just isn't right you keep saying it isn't Hillary's turn but it isn't Obama's turn he needs to come back in 2016 when Hillary is done
It is sad to see these Democrats behaving like this They should learn something from Republicans. Republicans will never vote for Democrats just because their candidates is not chosen..
No wonder why Democrats always lose...
So Obama received votes even though there is no way AT ALL to prove for whom those Michigan votes were cast. After seeing how he used "rules" to eliminate competitors in his first Illinois state legislature race, it was a lack of good judgment on his behalf to have his name removed from the ballots without having been required to do so. He should have known better.
This is the most disgusting, disappointing and anti-American process I have ever witnessed. Arbitrary allocation of delegates is the equivalent of giving electoral votes to a random presidential candidate in November.
Well I know one thing for sure. My friends, family and peers are voting for Hillary in the fall one way or another. If her name's not on the ballot, she'll get our write-in votes. I'm not one of those Clinton supporters that would vote for McCain over Obama, but that career politician that hasn't accomplished anything in his time in office sure as heck is NOT getting my vote.
Hillary '08! YES SHE CAN!
Whining Hillary & Supporters, I think Rev Pfleger was very close in his impersonation of Sen. Clinton...and the Clinton supporters (closet Republicans) are acting just like her. What in the world..she and Harold both agreed to the rules along time ago when they were cork screwing into the primaries while under fire from...oops....
I am discussted with the media and the democratic party. I now see that the vote of the people means nothing. Superdelegates seem to run the party. This is not a party for the people. And as for the media , they should report the results of the election, they should not tell people how to vote.We wage wars in countries to bring them democracy and yet we are losing our democracy here.I will now become an Independent.
All of these Clinton backers who plan to defect will change their tune once she bows out and begins to campaign on the part of Obama. They're all talk.
According to Howard Dean this morning, the DNC gave Fl and Mi exactly what they asked for. Hillary needs to move on and accept it. And it is quite clear that most of the people who voted uncommitted in Mi were Obama supporters. Why else would they not vote for Hillary?
I wonder where Hillary would be standing on these issues if the roles were reversed. I suspect we'd have Obama sitting on the sidelines with no additional delegates from Florida or Michigan.
This is what happens when you have a person motivated by pursuing their desired end by any means available. It's a shame that she misses that which most Americans understand...that just because you can do something, it's not automatic that they should do that thing.
If she cares about her country, party, or the people she would represent as president, she should drop from the race after Tuesday's elections are complete. Otherwise, she will destroy her party's ability to be effectively represented in the November presidential election.
As a Clinton supporter, I won't vote for McCain, but I can't vote for Obama either. The more that I learn about Obama, the less I trust him. The manner is which he won his first election was an example of a sleazy politician in action. The hate spewed out by some of his supporters is appalling and is another reason that I won't support Obama.
After this event, I am even more sure of my decision to support Obama as the better candidate. Obama conceded "losses" in both michigan and florida in the spirit of uniting the party. Neither election was fair or democratic but he wanted unity so he compromised.
Hillary on the other hand, has never understood the word compromise.... has never considered the possibility of caring for something other than herself and her bid for presidency (and she would still lose even with florida and michigan voting fully). Do you think she really cares about democracy?? If she did, would she have signed the pledge a year ago to not count Florida and Michigan AT ALL because they moved up primaries? No, the time to protest was a year ago- then I would believe that Hillary's protest was genuine.
I hope to never see or hear of hillary again. She is a traitor to the democratic party.
Harold Ickes certainly has shown Americans what the Clintons and the Clinton Camp view as "MY WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY"!! For a political official who has been around for more than 25 years, to speak up at a Democratic Rules/By-laws Committee meeting, as he did yesterday, and even use cuss words to put forth his point is completely deplorable and "unconscious"! The HRC campaign has been and continues to be the MOST SELFISH and SELF SERVING people I have seen in my entire life. THE RULES ARE THE RULES IN LIFE!! I commend the DNC Committee for their very professional conduct and HONESTY in that meeting yesterday!! HILLARY CLINTON PUTS A NAIL IN HER COFFIN EVERY DAY OF THIS CAMPAIGN!! I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THIS COMING WEEK WHEN ALL OF THE SUPERS COME MARCHING TOWARDS BARACK OBAMA!!
AS OF MAY 31, 2008:
BARACK OBAMA NOW OWNS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!
We'll see when the general election is over. I am a Clinton delegate who WILL support Obama if he gets the nomination. All I have to do is look at the type of leadership we are leaving, then look at McCain. I shudder at the prospect.
It's so ridiculous. The Republicans gave Michigan and Florida half votes too.
It wasn't just the Democrats who punished the two states.
So why would you vote McCain because of the Florida and Michigan situation?
Obama won fair and square. Your complaints are just sour grapes.
Some explanations are needed here:
1)How can somebody who can not convincinly win the primary election be more electable than the one who won?
2) Is DNC greater than Clintons or Clintons greater than DNC?
3)My grandma always emphasize that I should abide by the rules and show respect to the constituted authority? are things changing.
4) Why do we have a lot of uneducated people supporting one candidate than
the other?
5)Is presidential position a family affair?
Hillary and Harold better start healing the Democratic riff they are promoting.
I do believe Hillary wants Obama to lose after seeing yesterday's
staged outbursts by rowdy and rude followers. How sad.
I suppose megalomaniac Hillary will run as a 3rd party candidate now... She's all about CLINTONS... I'm sick to death of this harpy and her attitude of ENTITLEMENT.
GO AWAY, HILLARY!!!!
OBAMA '08
Wake up Hillary agreed the delegetes would not be seated if they moved the primary up. She thought she would keep Obama from getting the nomonation and didnt need FL and MI. Obama removed his name because he knew the votes wouldnt count if primaries were moved up. He played by the rules and now typical Clinton fashion she is whining because she is losing so wants the rules changed so she can win. Give up Hillary and go back to AK.
Hillary – would you like some cheese with your whine?
This whole affair is a sad commentary on the state of America today. If you whine enough – people will change the rules for you. This was decided – the votes would not count. The only reason this debacle continues is because Hillary and her camp pressured the DMC to reconsider through their constant and incessant whining,
Hill and Co. This is over. You need to concede as graciously as you possibly can and move on. The Republicans are laughing at you and your party as you are dividing your party because of your own personal agenda. If McCain wins – you have helped him do that.
Clinton supporters,I implore you to be rational. Are you democrats or a zealots? You protest too much. If you demonstrate now, that you condone divisive behavior and party betrayal, what does that say about your initial judgment in candidates? You are saying that you embrace the old, ugly politics and therefore your fervent support of Clinton presents a very dubious picture. Your behavior reflects on her. The uglier it gets, the worse she looks. You dishonor her and all she is supposed to represent.
After watching DNC Rules Committee proceedings I was a bit let down. I truly did not believe Mr. Obama should have been awarded the large number of delegates he was given.
So here we are at the 11th hour and I am concerned. It is possible, depending on who Senator McCain selects as his running mate I, too, may have to vote Republican. Mr. Obama causes me concern – everyday we hear more things about him and his past that cause additional concern. I don't think I can vote for him. To be fair we will wait to see who he selects as his running mate before making a final decision, but, I am so very disappointed that we are this late in the race and finally we begin to hear things about the "Rock Star's" personal life, how he runs a campaign using dirty tactics, that are as disconcerting as most rock stars. The media sold a bill of goods, hope it turns out to be as good as they kept telling us it was!
Gin
When you vote for Hillary this is what you wind up with!
Do any of these Obama clowns know why the members of the Democratic Party violated the rules in Florida? A Republican
controlled florida congress made sure a referendum which
would take billions from the Social Services of Florida was
put up for a vote on Jan 29 along with the Democratic Primary.
The Democratic Party needed to get out the vote for that
referendum and the Democratic Primary. The asked the
Democratic Parry several times within the rules if they could
be allowed to vote early so they could defeat this referendum
and the DNC would not allow it, They were set up by a DNC
and the Republican party to make sure that Obama, a sure
loser in the general election once the Rezko trial shows how
corrupt he is. Check out Pringle pieces iin Oped news. Just
put Oped into the search engines. It is a progressive site and
not a conservative one. What a bunch of fools you are to
buy into this guy Obama.
To each and every person that thinks the deals made yesterday were not fair:
Florida and Michingan broke the rules thereby giving the DNC the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to implement the automatic consequences, which is 50% of the vote. NOW you want to blame Obama!! For what!! The DNC wanted to take ALL of their votes and negate them. Clinton recognized that these two states did not FOLLOW THE RULES!! She even went so far as to record an ad in New Hampshire that they wouldn't count, signed an affidavit that she agreed to the conditions in FL and MI. She FLIP FLOPPED ON THE ISSUE! She wants ALL the votes counted RIGHT! What about those extra 30,000 votes that wrote in for Obama. That her own supporters on the DNC said "OH NO we don't want those counted!" I guess disenfranchising some voters is okay as long as their not for you! To put if another way, if OBAMA said, NO, do not give in make sure that the harshest penalty is implemented, Clinton wouldn't have gotten a single delegate, and FL and MI would still be staning on the outside looking in. They're not, the DNC was absolutely fair, Clinton supporters can not as Donna Brasil put it, "call timeout at the end of the game and change the rules to support their interests" Clinton and her supporters talk about democracy and the will of the people and counting every vote. But they SURE AS HELL DIDN'T WANT THAT YESTERDAY IN THAT MEETING. THEY WANTED ALL THEIR VOTES COUNTED AND NOTHING FOR OBAMA.
DNC is disgrace party. It does not represent the people voices and it does not speak for me. DNC did not give fair count for the Fl. & Mich. voters.
Time to move on! Go McCain 2008 all the way to the White house.
Hillary all the way or I'll choke on McCain. I was a registered DEM and now I have registered as NO AFFILIATION. The DNC has got get sht together or give it up. The DNC started tis mess, they should get someone with at least half a brain to clean it up. Pelosi is no better than Harris of FL.
If you're a democrat and you'd have John McCain be president over Obama because you're upset with the results of this campaign cycle, you deserve what you get:
War, recession, political disharmony, intellectual intolerance, xenophobia, etc.
Switch parties, please, you're making dems look bad and, quite frankly, we don't need any more negative nellies here!
Yeah, that's right, I said "negative nellies." DEAL WITH IT!
TO ROBIN- Oh yeah the Obama held restraint and were oh so nice. BULLCRAP!! i WONDER WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ONCE THE DECISION HAD GONE THE OTHER WAY. DGIVE ME THAT PEACFUL RESRAINT BUSINESS THAT THESE AND YOUR PEOPLE HOLD. WE'VE SEEN YOUR RESTRAINT LIKE LOS ANGLES FOR INSTANCE. We Hillary supporters will show you restraint also. Come november you will see outstanding peaceful restraint of our hands staying away from the Obama block.
Why wouldn't Hillary take this to the convention? We all know she does not want a Obama win the general elction just so that she can run in 2012. I love American and I think Obama will be better for the country than McCain. I think a lot of Hillary supporters are point blank racist and will not vote for the black side of Obama (remember he is half white). To those Hillary supportes planning on voting for McCain, Four years from now I will laugh at you just as I laughing at my neighboors who had to move because they cannot afford to pay for their house. When they were so high on BUSH 8 years ago I warned then and they would not listen. So I am warning you, take the high road and support who ever the democrats are sending to the general election
Any "Democrat" who was supporting Clinton but will vote for McCain, will then join in having the blood of 4000+ US soldiers and 600000+ civilian Iraqis on their hands, a privalage once reserved for neocons only.
Democrats Unite! Obama 08! Troops home NOW!
If Clinton's people want to go for the republicans let them it will show the world the good ole USA true color Red WHITE and blue. and we deserve $10 a gallon gas and to keep our troops in Iraq for 200 hundred years
oh my god!! clinton supporters DO NOT UNDERSTAND... that everyone didnt vote in Florida and Michigan cause they are uneducated. Is that not what her voters are? how can it count when not everyone voted because they new it WOULDNT count. CRYBABIES! SORE LOSERS! Go ahead and vote for McCain and do OPPOSITE of what Hillary wants! Hillary told her supportes to UNITE and they wanna vote REPUBLICAN!!! I guess they dont know what the word UNITE is... GRAB a dictionary!!! let me spell it again for you all.... U N I T E got it???
This just shows that these people were never really Democrats. Their only issue was having a women President regardless of that candidates position on the issues.
In that way it follows the model of the southern Democrats who abandoned the Democratic party when it made the decision to support civil rights.
The party has to build on principles that guide it, and not to litmus test voters who will switch party allegiance depending on which candidate they view at the time as best to advance their single issue.
Good riddance.
go ahead and vote for mcsame clinton supporters.. more of our soldiers gettin killed... economy in a mess and will get worse with mcsame.
you are all nuts..
barack is the man with a real plan
hilary is nothing but a mouth full of lies and deseat....
go obama my man
I, too, have had it with the DNC. "Play by the rules?" Their rules are
arbitrary, subject to change at their discretion. They changed their rules
when they gave a waiver to South Carolina and Nevada for early
primaries, therefore, blessing those states and cursing MI and FL.
I'm leaving the Dem. party, becoming an independent. I doubt that
anybody cares, but Obama WILL NOT win the election with my vote.
After seeing how these people treated Obama and his supporters- and setting up an example that if the candidate i snot chosen- then vote for someone else..do these morons really think Hillary can get Obama's support if she ever needs it.
I am very angry with these Democrats. Way to go- no wonder why Republicans always win.
Bush must be laughing loud at this moment and McCain must be celebrating....
I guess that is a good reason to not nominate Clinton, given the fact that in the eyes of her hard core supporters she represents the same values as McCain.
This is short sighted. Both senator Obama and Clinton share the same core value while GOP nominee is pro-life, pro-rich, pro-war, and lack of social responsibility. I can't believe people who support Clinton would actually turn away from their principle and vote for somebody as a form of revenge.
We are electing somebody to lead our country to a brighter future. This is NOT a joke where you go out and vote because your candidate does not get chosen. THINK about it.
Hillary Clinton is a traitor and incitor to mislead her supporters into thinking she was unfairly treated. She is sore loser. She should bow out of the race and start the healing of the party. Every day her supporters appear dumber and dumber. They don't understand the serious crisis facing this country because of the war in Iraq. Obama will be President and when he becomes President he will go to Iraq and bring home the troops.
So rules are good when they are good to me? Did I get right?
Who cares? Just look at them! Their behavior at yesterday's meetings and all over the message boards is appalling. All they are doing is highlighting WHY they don't deserve their nominee as the Democratic candidate. We're better off without them.
BYE! Don't let the door hit you on the way out of the Democratic party. Personally, I think it's hilarious that they'll switch sides just to lose – AGAIN!
Ha Ha.
Wow, you Clinton supporters are just shameful!
If these people decide to vote for John MCcain instead of Obama because of the delegate situtation. They were NEVER Democrats in the 1ST PLACE
Why has no one mentioned that she was the only one that had her name on the ballot because she was the only one to disregard her SIGNED PLEDGE to disregard those states? If she breaks her word (even in writing) that easily, doesn't that just add to the credibility problems she has already created for herself?
Truth and fairness mean NOTHING to this woman! She will do anything to get the presidency, clearly. She let THAT slip with the Bobby Kennedy reference. I wouldn't put anything past her; not destruction of the party, the country, or another human being. She is maniacal.
You lost, woman! Go home!
They should ask themselves if they are better of today than they were 8 years ago. I am not and have decided to turn the page.
Do you honestly believe Obama went to church every Sunday for twenty years! Who goes to church that often except for deacons, the choir, and my grandparents. Have some common sense before you judge someone for what others say. It won’t be the end of the world for an African American to be president. Would we be a true melting pot if only white Americans were allowed to lead the nation? Do you honestly believe Obama could single handily destroy white Americans rights? Hell no he couldn’t. Stop letting your futile theories dwindle your better judgment.
If your not already in the military than you will be next year once Mccain gets in office. WHEN he declares war against Iran there will be a draft. Common sense should tell you that. Look at recruitment ,and we're just fighting on two fronts in low intensity conflicts!
If you don’t believe me than study the terrain. A mountainous country with the Black sea to it’s north. Our wonderful Navy can’t get in Black Sea without a bloody fight. And Russia can supply them as long as the war transpires. Don't fall victom again to people telling you we will be greeted as liberators!
For all of you ignorant of tactics basically I’m saying it will be a ground war won with the sacrifice of your children’s blood and the money in your pocket. We will win but at what cost and for what at all? Gas will still be $4 or more. Choose wisely who you vote for in November regardless of race we’re all Americans to the World.
It is too late for her to run as an Independent. She will not be able to get in even half of the ballots. Remember Ralph Nader started his independent run in February and even then, he could not get into half of the ballots.
So HIllary should bow out gracefully and rally behind Obama.
I think each person that votes for McCain should have 1 person in their family sign up immediately for WAR..
A vote for McShame is a vote for the draft (your kids? husband? grandchildren?) and you should be ashamed.
It's very interesting to me how Barack Obama was able to control his supporters, who all behaved in a respectful manner. In contrast, the Clinton supporters acted like wild beasts yelling and being very disrespectful to the committee.
Have you people ever heard of a compromise? Obama could have won a 50-50 seating in Michigan but in the name of party unity he conceded and agreed to a 69-59 seating.
Clinton, you and your supporters disgust me. There's no place for you in our White House.
Even Hillary Clinton has stated that her and Obama have more shared principles and values than her and McCain. Clinton and McCain are polar opposites...how could anyone turn the Supreme Court, the economy, the environment or foreign policy over to the Republican Party? If you are rooting for Hillary you need to honor her values and her principles and stick with the Democratic party.....vote Democrat in the general election.
I am not strongly for any candidate, Dem or Rep. (And I'm a >50y female).
The rules should have been followed, and no delegates seated from Fl or MI.
DNC folded; they compromised, but by not following their own rules, they have left the door open for more noise this election season, and 2012 will be the Wild Wild West of make-your-own-rules elections.
democracy weeps.
talk about lack of common sense. 1st off Hillary and her supporters begged for the party to count MI & FL – and know their screaming bloddy mary because the DNC did not allow them to hijack the nomination for HRO. The thing that gets me – is that the supporters of HRO (mainly woman) that say they will vote for McCain if HROis not the nominee – well go head – i mean vote for a man who is anti-woman movement – anti equal pay for woman, anti-pro choice, and a candidate who feels like a woman is inferior to man...After you vote for McCain – let's see how much better your lives are as woman when it's all said in done.
Common sense is a virtue
DNC decision yesterday was unbelievable. One of the benefits of being a US citizen is that you have the right to vote. What right has the DNC to take away this right from the citizens of Florida and Michigan. I feel very strongly about a citizens democratic right to vote and I feel very strongly about this. Pelose and Dean should be ashamed of themselves – expecially in light of their comments during the weed asking superdelegates to come out and without mentioning his name asking people to vote for BO. I will actively campaign for John McCain if BO gets the nod.
It just makes me sick to think I supported her at all. She is just making it easier for us to lose in November.
The DNC is counting votes similar to the 2000 Florida national vote. If the outcome doesn't meet what I prefer, change the rules. Let the Supremes decide. pb
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA
There was a time that I could have supported Hillary. That time is gone. She is not acting professional at all. I do not want another 4 years of what we have had. I am afraid that she will mess this up fro Obama so she can try again in 2012. We, as a country, can not tolerate this. Hillary and her supporters need to please act like adults and help the country....not Hillary. Unfortunately, no one has told her that it is not about her...it is about the rest of us voters.
I think Stephen Stills has the right words for Democrats looking to the fall:
And if you cant be with the one you love
Love the one your with
Don't be angry
Don't be sad
Don't sit cryin' for good times you had
Jeez guys – Hillary & Obama were, at best, my 3rd and 4th choices behing Kucinich and Edwards. I'm not happy with the remaining mopes in the race but ANYONE coming out of the Democratic nomination process is going to be a vast improvement over George W. Bush and John McSame.
Well, so you can't have it your way so you will sabotage your rights – with the possibility of overturning Woe Vs Wade and put women's rights back a quarter of a century. That's brilliant.
Why do you blame Barack Obama for your candidate's loss? She is the one who played the "white" card and the race card and the gender card – so now that all of those cards are used – we can see that someone or a bunch of someones are not playing with a full deck.
I would have to say you are not very committed in your beliefs of the platform that both Hillary and Barack are presenting. There are many similarities in what they are supporting and proposing. Yet, Obama is winning. And you don't like that.
And since Obama has the most in popular vote, the highest delegate count and super-delegate count; I guess he should just step aside because you are not getting your way and you are going to take your short deck of cards and go play with he who does not play with both porch lights on! Sounds sensible and wise. Where are all of the wise women of the 90s?
I was a Hillary supporter – ardent supporter until she felt it was necessary to lie and back stab and use innuendo to belittle and berate her opponent (Obama -not McCain).
Maybe if you ask her nicely, she can switch back the her original party of preference (the Republican Party) and she can be John McSame's running mate. After all she is a member of the DCL and they support all of the same programmes that McSame proposes.
If you do not know what the DLC is – look it up.
Then decide if you really want to punish the Democratic Party.
Cheers.
Actually, watching the events in almot their entirety, the resolution was as just and fair as it could be under the circumstances.
They could have as easily decided NOT to count any votes, which would have been unfair to the voters of those two states and left the party in total chaos as it would have made the Rules and By-laws meaningless and worthless.
The best that they could do was reach some sort of compromise that was inclusive, as opposed to exclusive as some presented options were.
It is not the fault of the DNC as some claim, not near as much as it is the fault of the two Staes and their Legislatures involved.
Obama himself chose to remove his name from the Michigan ballot in order to curry favor with Iowa voters. Iowa you know always wants to be first even though they only have 7 electoral votes. Obama received ZERO votes in Michigan and is therefore entitled to ZERO delegates. I strongly object to the DNC’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan. The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party. I urge the Michigan delegation to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast. Jim in Rochester, Michigan
Hillarly needs to bow out graciously, but unfortunately she is too selfish to do so. The DNC's decision is also flawed in so many respects, and clearly shows how weak and pathetic the democratic party has become. I think it is a shame what the party has become, and if the republicans win the general election the democrats (whether a Hillary or Obama supporter) will be to blame. You do not see the republicans bickering like the democrats, which shows a strong, central leadership.
What I find most amusing is that Ms. Clinton agreed not have the Florida and Michigan votes to count, now she wants them to count. Then the DNC compromises and allows half the votes and then awards Obama percentage of the votes in Michigan (where he appropriately removed his name from the ballot). Now Clinton supporters are whining because only have the votes counted in both states and Obama got a percentage in Michigan. The Clintons are unbelievable, and their supporters a bunch of morons.
I am a long time republic, but if Ms. Clinton gets the nomination over Obama I will not vote for her, nor will I likely support another democratic candidate.
Billary changes the rules to her advantage. She got more than she should have. Now shes trying to push herself into a Vice President position. The Clintons have no ethics and cannot stand to lose. The rulings were as fair as they could be. She has spent two weeks in PR in a desperate attempt to do what? Obama has ran a respectful campaign and has not had to make desperate attempts to manipulate anything. I cannot wait until she is out of the picture. Anyone voting for McCain out of vengence speaks for itself. It's not about the canidates its about America and what is in our best interest. McCain is certainly not in our best interest....Grow up, open your eyes and do the right thing, support the Democratic party. Unite
Pretty cut and dry,The DNC continues to push the Obama nomination,They will not give the nomination to the rightful person,They have an agenda in my opinion.Having said that,The DNC,will not get my vote...Fairness and Unity,yeah right.
If Clinton backers actually switch to McCain instead on Obama, then it is irrefutable proof that her base truly is uneducated. She knows FL and MI broke the rules. She supported the punishment when it was meted out. Now she wants to CHANGE THE RULES TO HER BENEFIT. It would be a glaring display of the same scorched-earth policy Clinton has abided by in running her campaign. We, as Americans, as Democrats, MUST do what’s best for the country. Surely, there is not one sane, reasonably intelligent person who feels McCain is better for the country that Obama is. McCain will continue to do to this country what Bush has been doing and we know THAT is not good for the people of this county or our standing in the global community. It is time to unite; for change; for the party, for America.
This is just sad.
This is all due to Hillary's slash and burn campaign to try and do anything she could to try and halt Obama's momentum.
She used her gender, used her race, and even tried to cheat the system in her pursuit of the nomination and all she ended up doing is putting a rift within the Party.
If the Democratic Party were to lose this race (and I don't think it will), a lion share of the blame will have to fall on Hillary for engaging in a win at all cost campaign.
In my 72 years, I have never seen an election where a person not on the ballot was given votes/delegates. Obama removed his name. He should not be awarded one delegate. Shame on you, DNC.
Obama also broke the rules in Florida by using TV ads for 10 days. I believe he should be punished.
Of course they'll go to McSame–they're all closet Republicans! They're not real Democrats.
This is one of THE stupidest things I've heard of–"If Hillary doesn't get it, I'm going to vote for Bush-Lite so we have FOUR MORE YEARS of represssion and economic FAILURE!"
Yeah, that's the way to improve quality of life.
Come on people, pull your heads out and vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be.
I am a moderate democrat.
I never will vote for Obama.
The way those primaries were held, the way media completely fell for Obama and was 100% backing him, the way DNC begaved – it turned me off DNC and all leftest media channels – CNN, MSNBC, etc.
I never will watch CNN though before it was my favorite channel.
I just cannot look any more on Cafferty, Cooper and all other so called best political team
The same way with DNC.
I just cannot vote Obama because I see he is not fit to be president.
It will be either staying home, or writing in Hillary or voting McCain.
Sorry, DNC and media. It is completely your fault
It doesn't surprise me that Hillary supporter would vote for McCain. They're all selfish like Hillary.
After all, Clinton was duped into voting for the war just like McCain.
We don't need you, we can win without you.
And your actions aren't doing anything to unify this party so there's no place in our White House for you.
People need to calm down and use their intelligence, not emotions, to decide who they want in the White House.
There was no way Hillary could overcome the delegate numbers to win the nomination. In fact, Barack has gone out of his way to praise her and agreed its within her rights to continue the primaries.
The truth of the matter is the Florida & Michigan primaries were flawed and some compromise had to be reached. Most of the committee were Hillary supporters. That fact has to be taken in consideration.
The questions remain:
1. Are you willing to continue spending trillions on this unthinkable war?
2. Are you willing to give up a quest for better health care?
3. Are you willing to give up women's right to choose because you're upset with Barack Obama?
I don't understand, a democrat allowing our troops to stay in this war, to allow them to die in an unjust war, just because their candidate did get elected. it blows my mind.
Now we all see what the Clinton campaign is all about.
They throw fit's and threats if they cant win.
Go ahead and Vote for John McBush, he has no chance in the world at winning.
See the whole country is sick of Repulicans and all the crooks and indictments.
If Hillary wont win I will vote for Mcush, how freaken childish are these people.
John McBush wins, and your all going to lose your jobs and pay 10 buks a gallon for gas.
Go figure, this is what happens when a bunch of woman vote for a candidate soley because she is a woman.
Go look at her voting record, she has never voted on behalf or in favor of American Woman.
She only votes for big business where she has millons in stock.
By the way she is charging the secret service $10,000.00 a Month to live in their guest house and provide them Secret Service protection that we pay for.
By the way the house payment on their 5 Millon dollar mansion is $10,000.00 a Month.
Yes we are paying for security and were paying for their Mansion.
Funny how Clinton supporters never mention that.
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This is the first time I ever vote, and my vote will only go to Hillary Clinton. I have followed democrat candidates for years but was never motivated to vote for someone till this year. McCain does not have my vote but neither does Obama. I know many people that feel the same.
Josie
From promising candidate to confirmed hyporcite; that is the Clinton legacy for Campaign 2008. Never satisfied, ungrateful, and spiteful describe Clinton and her followers. The DNC moved the "Finish Line," awarded Clinton delegates that previously "did not count" and even weighted the delegates in Clinton's favor. After all that, Harold Icke was "stunned" and claimed that 4 votes were taken away from his candidate. Is there no end to the fantasy campaign?? Oh, and you women are going to vote for John McCain? I Dare You! If he wins, you can kiss goodbye Row vs. Wade, women's equal rights and the progress that enabled Clinton to run for President. It was not the "Rules" that caused Hillary to get behind; it was her own hypocricy.
People should be careful about what they say as long as they can read.
Why are rules made? What are rules supposed to enforce? The 48 states that honored the rules and the two states which did not honor the rules of the party.
Will you all the happy if MICHIGAN delegates are not seated so that Hillary and OBAMA each score 0? And don't forget if you follow all that Hillary has been saying. Hillary herself said that MICHIGAN won't count. That's her own words. How come now she wants those counts to count? What was she thinking when she said: MICHIGAN won't count? Was she drinking or what? Now she's having tough times and she's like EVERY VOTE counts, how on earth will a dog go back to its VORMIT? Isn't that terribly bizare?
She know she's going to lose so she's terribly making everything to make sure she can be considered. However, she's isn't going to win else i'll leave USA.
As a Canadian watching the politcal events on CNN, I feel with all the events that have happened over the last few months and in particular over the last few days, I had to at at least say ....WOW!!! To me as an outsider, it seems that the Democratic party, is so split! There are such harsh remarks from each side of the campaign, more so Hillary supporters, that it seems to me that most people on the Hillary side, have no intension of uniting the party. It has been very entertaining to learn so much about this Democratic party, which seems to potentially be, a great change for USA. However, one thing has really come through with the behaviour of Hillary Clintons supporters,....if they do not get what they want, they will be nasty, and may even then support McCain. That, at the least, shows true disdain, and no loyalty to your party, just selfishness......wow how ugly politics can be, and how powerful hatred really is!!!!
Ms. Clinton voted in favor of the rules when she was the presumptive nominee back in October. Now that she is behind, she wishes to change the rules. All of the candidates treated the Michigan and Florida primaries according to the rules, as if it were not going to be counted. If the DNC would have done anything different than what they did, it would not have been fair to anyone except her. Mr. Obama is the nominee. Please – everyone accept this and get behind so that we do not have another 4 years of the Bush administration under McCain.
My vote goes to McCain based on the two books I have read by Senator Obama – research how many times he compliments the work of the Clintons. Senator Obama is a good person, however, so was former President Jimmy Carter and this world needs a leader who has the experience from Day One...not someone who is chewing Nicoret to get thru the day!
That's just a stupid and immature attitude to take. A vote for McCain is basically an extension of the Bush doctrine. Pathetic!
Does Hally thing she owns the democratic party of America, will this do her any good if she help mccain win the general election, Hillary is not only fighting Obama but the entire democratic party.
McCain is just like Bush III.
We will be in a war with Iran and the economy will be ruined.
Hillary clinton is a selfish person. She does not care about the party; nor about Americans but only herself.
Come on, people!
Obama followed the rules; why should he be punished?
If they want to go, that is their choice. As a Democrat, I am going to work hard for the ticket and looking forward to the inauguration!
Remember, there are consequences to breaking the rules. If you just give in to rule breakers, the world would be even worse off than it already is.
I will vote for McCain, I would rather vote for a moderate than a liberal. Hillary should consider running as an Independent, wow would that shake things up.
They're so ignorant....The problems we are facing now as a nation are more important than Hillary or Obama...This people are just going to vote for McCain because Clinton is not the nominee.....Do you really love your country?
The Obama supps. are smitten and shocked.Well if you live with the sword you die by it.To snatch Hillary's 4 delegates and hand it over to Obama is just wrong and unfair.The end is not here yet.If miracles work ;let Hillary shock them all and win the presidency.
McCain is waaaaaay too old to even consider him as president not to mention he has always been in favor of the war in Iraq. There is no reasoning to support why Clinton backers would switch to support McCain. Wait.......they simply are not using their heads. If they are true democrats as they say then Obama is the man. Go Obama!!!
Clinton supporters showing their true colors…"let's go McCain"? Are you people insane? The time is now to unite and change this country for the better, or suffer another 4 years of Bush policies. People, get over your sour grapes…it was a good primary season, but it is time to put a Democrat in the White House…and that Democrat is Barack Obama.
I guess we shouldn't have a President, Congress, or Supreme Court either according to Ickes and Clinton. They make decisions for 300 million Americans.
Obama has played by the rules and won fair and square. HRC has not played by rules and lost. Poetic justice.
Let's move on?
....and this Democratic National Party mess is what you want running this country? Ugh. At least the Republicans seem to have their act together. The Dems clearly don't, and it would surely spill over into the presidency. Good luck Dems over the next 10 years after this debacle.
I am disappointed that they got full seating and half votes. I think that the outcome of the voting in FL and MI would have been very different if they had real elections. Seriously what did you want them to do give Barack no delegates in Michigan as if that is the will of the people? He has no supporters in the state of Michigan? I think it is sad that all Barack did was follow the rules, and he is being demonized by Clinton supporters for following them. Rules are rules, and Clinton supporters are just upset that she did not get the nomination. I just don't understand all of these women who want Hillary to open these doors for our daughters. I don't want her to be the one to open the doors. She is a very lousy sport, lies, and doesn't want to follow the rules when it doesn't benefit her. I don't want her to be an example or roll model for my daughter or any other young girl in this country.
As a non-American, when Bush won the second term I couldn't believe it. The American voters let the rest of the world down.
After watching this contest run it's course, with Clinton still having the support she has with all the crap she has pulled, I think the American voter deserves to be cursed with her or McCain. That's unfortunate for the rest of us.
i am 62 years old and have been a loyal democrat all of my voting life. i say with the utmost convition that if obama is nominate i will not only leave the party but will vote for mcain and i am not alone in my sentiments
We have a handful of contests left. Let's wrap this up quick, superdelegates.
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Who wants an inexperienced person who has such poor judgement of charactor , that he hangs out with these crazy preachers and others. He couldn't see what they really were until it slaps him in the face with a wet towel. Is he blind or what? No wonder the wants to talk to the enemy, they are just going to suck him right in to their web. Hillary for Pres.(not VP) or McCain will get my vote
Vote McCain if you HATE HEALTHCARE and LOVE WARS, then you are not a Democrat...
Go OBAMA !!!
Peace and Health to the People!
If you want more of where we are at now then vote McCain
He will be worse than George Bush cause will probably ask
Hillary to be his running mate to get votes and then watch your back
McCain
The Clintons have already shown what they do to those who get in
the way of their EGOS>
They could care less about what they can do for our country
its what can our country do for them
I will for CHANGE>
Thanks Obama for sticking in there and being the honest person you are ....rewards on this earth are short you know.. eternity is what counts...
How could any Clinton supporter move over to McCain if Clinton doesn't win the nomination? That is ridiculous. McCain doesn't follow any of the values and goals which Senator Clinton believes in. This is just a bunch of frustrated voters who must not care for the beliefs of the Democratic party at all, but only care that their person wins. You can't call yourself a Democrat and then go against each and every principle the Democratice Party supports. I voted for Clinton in the primary, but I would also be proud to support Barack Obama in the National election. Get over yourselves and stop acting like children. Obama isn't your enemy – John McCain is. Don't make the rest of the Country suffer because your fight to 'win' overrides your common sense .
What more proof is needed that a Clinton presidency would be more of the same. Clinton's unrelenting attempts to change the DNC rules to suit her own desires scream of the same methods used by President Bush for the past 8 years!
No more!
I'm for Obama but reluctant as I may be would still vote for Hillary if she is the nominee because I would not be part of more American deaths in Iraq. I hope that Hillary supporters also focus on party ideology rather than personalities.
Hillary needs to get her supporters in line......if they are really her supporters. Some of them are Rush listeners trying to cause chaos.
Hillary lost in every way and she will lose more if she keeps this up.
If Clinton's campaign is indicative of how she would run the country, then the sooner this candidate is out of the picture the better.
Changing the rules mid-game, dishonesty, lack of respect for voters in the caucus states and lack of loyalty to the Democratic party.....
Sorry, I can't think of anything positive to say about her.
There is a solution that would appease many many of us Clinton supporters - not all of us, but many:
Obama/Clinton 08: The speeding ticket to the White House.
It's obvious now that Clinton will do anything to get into the Whitehouse, even split the Democratic party in two and essentially hand the Republicans the White House for another four years. Everyone agreed Florida and Michigan violated the rules that were AGREED upon. Obama removed his name from the ballot in Michigan as did just about every other candidate but CLINTON! Why? Because she could forsee an opportunity to use the Michigan votes and also the Florida votes if needed, which she is doing now. I never understood why a Clinton supporter would vote for McCain in the fall. His policies are complete polar opposites and if you believe in what Clinton supposedly believes, how can you support someone who would fight for none of those issues? Spite? Are you that petty? I always said I would vote Democrat in November regardless who won the primary because if you look at their stance on the issues, they are almost identical. After reading this article and seeing that Clinton will stop at nothing, if by some chance she is the nominee thanks to the Superdelegates, I simply won't vote for President in November, because voting Republican for me isn't an option because of all the things that they DON'T stand for and the Democracts DO.
There is more to it than just Senator Clinton's supporters being petty when they say they will vote for McCain.
While I would not vote Republican I am at a real loss at what to do if Senator Obama gets the nomination.
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for him.
I think it would be an injustice to myself and my family and to my country.
I am entitled to feel that way the same as those who are not in support of Senator Clinton.
In a country of brilliant experienced people this is what it boils down too?
MAYBE CLINTON SUPPORTERS AGREE WITH THEIR CANDIDATE
ABOUT THE WAR, NAFTA, & $6.00 GAS. TO EACH HIS OWN.
IF THEY VOTE MCBUSH HE WILL CONTINUE THOSE POLICIES
WHICH WILL LOWER THEIR INCOME A FEW MORE NOTCHES.
HE WILL CERTAINLY KEEP HER POLICIES IN PLACE.
SINCE WHEN IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THE ONLY "AMERICAN PARTY?"
let all those big babies vote for McCain, who will they be punishing Obama, or themselves. I hope McCain gives them exactly what they deserve, another 4 years of Bush. Besides since when do people put Hillary infront of whats best for them, there family, and community, certainly thats what they would be doing by voting for McCain.
Diehard Clinton supporters did not like the Michigan outcome? OK, let's go back to a 50/50 split or as Clinton said, "Michigan does not count.." Perhaps the Rules committee should not have given the Clinton campaign anything in Michigan or Florida. They certainly do not seem to appreciate it.
I will be voting for Sen. Clinton in November regardless of whether or not her name is on the ballot. If she's not on there I will be voting for her as a write-in candidate.
Even if Hillary received all of the Michigan delegates, she STILL wouldn't be able to catch Obama. GIVE IT UP HILLARY! Admit you've lost and be graceful about it!!! You're the one dividing the party....and you call yourself a uniter. Yeah right....
'Let's go McCain!'
This alone proves Hillary supporters know nothing about politics.
They won't like McCain.
(But that's not the point, isn't it?)
Clinton supporters who decide to back McCain are just sore losers. It's time to get behind our nominee, Barack Obama. He is an excellent candidate, and he will make a historic President who could be as important for this country as JFK.
Go Obama '08!
WASTE OF TIME....JUST BLOWING OFF STEAM..WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 4 DELEGATES..NOT 40...OR 400...LETS MOVE ON TO REAL NEWS
Many of the Clinton votes, especially in the latter states where she won big, had results inflated by Repuiblicans crossing over to prevent an Obama nomination. As we can see, those Republican votes are going home now that there is no mischief to be made.
Lets see, we have a candidate that while it looks ike things are going her way, agrees to the rules of her party but when things start going against her she wants to change the rules. Can you trust anything she says when she changes her mind on such fundamental issues as the rules of her party?
The 2 states in question? They were just told that everyone who voted that they only counts as a 1/2 a person a piece.Are you kidding me????!!! They also told those 2 states that what you want does not matter.I am a registered Democrate, I will not vote for Obama,and I will not vote for McCain.If Mrs. Clinton does not win the nomination,I sincerley hope she runs on the Independant ticket so I can vote for her.
I feel like if this was Obama that was so far behind, I would feel bad and mad, but I sure hope I would not take it that far
My Florida vote only half counted, so myself as well as my wife and many friends will vote Republican come Presidential election time.
I just can't understand why Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan?...Who cares if he was told that it wouldn't count. What would it hurt if he left it on there? Hillary decided to keep her name on the ballot, it wasn't going to hurt anyone..Super Tuesday John Edwards was left on ballots and he was already out of the race..no harm done!...
HILLARY or McCain '08 the "freshman" senator Obama is not ready to run this country yet
Whey did they give the uncommited votes completely to Obama not Edward? Did they claim Edward was dead even before he quitted the campaign? Riduculous and disgusting.
Wanting all votes for a stacked primary is wrong. I guess that is what was expected. What baffles me is why on one is angry with the state officials who moved the primaries up! Do they still have their jobs. The people in those states voted for them. You cant be angry at the candidates! Or the DNC.
Why is it now fashionable to out-ly disregard rules that have been followed for years just because it does not suit you!
And not to vote for someone who shares nearly all the ideals of the candidate you are choosing but is fairly loosing is crazy! ITS CRAZY. This is not a personal fight, its so we can get the country back.
So people would rather live in 4 more years of this, then vote the partys choice.
Wow.
Hey lets ask Clinton who would SHE vote for in November, granted she looses the nom???????
Great, they'd rather support the candidate who will give us 100 more years in Iraq, more of the Bush economic policies, outrageous gas prices, etc. If they vote Republican they get what they deserve. Clinton should be encouraging her supporters to unite the party, but she herself is a divider so it doesn't surprise me at all!
If Hillary isn't the nominee, then I will be voting for McCain unfortunately. I'm a Republican, and I'm not happy with the direction of the country. However, replacing a right wing nut with a left wing nut isn't the answer. Hillary or McCain 2008!
Way to go Clinton supporters!! It will be because of you that this country will have to suffer for the same failed George Bush policies. I hope you have fun filling up your gas tank when it reaches 5-6 dollars a gallon. Just remember don't complain about the economy when McSame gets elected......IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!
The DNC has let down the members of the Democratic party. Folks who make comments need to remember the foundation of the DNC. While the Rules Committee focused on "following the rules" – they lost the voice of right and the foundation of the party.
I am certainly not a Republican, however, I am quite disappointed by the lack of leadership by the DNC. I do not want to vote Republican and this may be the first time in my voting history that I cannot vote for either presidential candidate.
Gin
Let the Clinton supporters vote for McCain. He can cut off their social security, and healthcare. By the next election cycles, they'll all be homeless, jobless and/or dead.
I watched the entire DNC meeting yesterday and all I heard was Hillary Clinton supporters yelling, whistling, and protesting throughout the entire event. I saw not One Obama supporter acting as irrational or barbaric as they did.
I watched the committee meeting and this is absolutely rediculous! Ofcourse Obama is satisfied because he lost those two large states BIG and this just lets him come away with a smaller loss! The voices of the people in MIchigan and Florida will NOT be heard with this solution. How can someone who received 55% of the popular vote in a state only come out with a 5 vote (10 delegate) lead! THAT'S INSANE! And... so what if Florida's delegation will get seated, they only get 1/2 of a vote which may represent the overall opinion of the voters but not to the extend it should! That just cuts Clinton's lead in half in a state that she won hands down.... I will be changing my voting status to Independent... obviously this party who has the word "democracy" in it's name does not truly care about the people.
iam 62 and have votes for democrats in every election. the dnc wants obama . they can have. i am out of the party and wil vote for john mccain.
FL and MI state party officials - the superdelegates and not the voters - made the decisions to hold early primaries and break the rules.
They, the superdelegates, should have been penalized by losing their vote at the convention, not the delegates representing the voters' voices. The voters' delegates should have been seated at full force and the superdelegates barred.
The voters have been 50% disenfranchised by this decision which they did not make or control.
Anyone who chooses to vote for McCain over one of the Democratic nominees obviously does not truly believe in the principles of either candidate. Their voting records and policy positions are 90% the same, and drastically, drastically different than McCain and Bush.
We don't have room for groupies who care more about their candidate's popularity than the future of this country. We cannot afford to have bitter fools vote for McCain just because their preferred candidate loses. Do you want more wars? Do you want to be drafted into a war with Iran?
Do you want your children to be?
Anyone who votes for McCain, for any reason, will be directly responsible for the horrors that come. Think about that the next time you presume to threaten the country over your popularity contest.
Ok, so let Harold Ickes and his angry, drooling mob drag this tantrum to the convention. I hope, after the smoke clears they will all love the next four years under McCain.
I think that those Clinton supporters who refuse to vote for Obama and would rather vote for McCain need to remember the last 8 years. The Republican party bows down to corporations and are puppets for the oil companies – not to mention the fact that the Republican's leaders, especially George Double-yuh Bush are idiots. It wasn't only George Bush that was responsible for disasters like Iraq and the response to hurricane Katrina, it was his advisers, his entire administration, and that includes John McCain.
It's voters like these that are causing America to lose its domination on the world stage and go into recession. Support your party, not your candidate, and America will prosper again. Vote Republican, I guarantee that nothing good will come of it, and you will aid in America's current downward spiral.
IF YOU LIKE BUSH, YOU WILL LOVE MCBUSH,
MUCH MORE OF THE SAME. I PROMISE YOUR INCOME
WILL GO DOWN, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT HILLARY'S
WILL GO UP. THAT'S HOW THE DEAL WORKS. READ FOR THE
LOVE OF GOD. GOOGLE BABY; IT WILL OPEN YOUR MIND.
Anyone EXCEPT Obama. Our country and the world cannot afford to have him as president.
I think all Clinton supporters who agree with this statement and plan to abide, should go to McCain as none of you who would do such a thing is not a true Democrat in the first place. The best person won and end of story. Why not let's unify and move forward. If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, I know this one Obama supporter would be behind her 100% for the good of the party.
This borders on tribalism. It's hillarious to watch as Americans condemn the budding democracies in Africa and the Middle East for the seemingly close-minded "follow the leader" type politics that so often happen in these countries. Where a family name and a particular race or religion are enough to win elections. But I'm having a hard time recognizing the difference in what is going on in the DNC today.
Why is everybody blaming Obama for the mess in Florida and Michigan?Before the Clintons didn´t care about the voters in these states.It´s really funny how the media are playing this right into her hand.They broke the rules,their delegates shouldn`t be sitted period.the debate is the same like the immigration debate.amnesty or no amnesty. .Clinton`s folks can´t stand the fact that an underdog out play her.She has her self to blame.They know that the chances are really really high for the democratic nominee to become president.she is just an egoist self center politician.
I have a feeling the protesters outside would not have been satisfied unless the Rules Committee had devised a solution where Hillary was retroactively awarded all of the delegates from the states Obama fairly won.
For the record, I voted for Hillary, and I think she would have been a good president before she and her people began insulting our intelligence with this Florida/Michigan brou-ha-ha. Now I believe she and her surrogates have zero integrity, and I will happily vote for Barrack Obama in November. Not all Hillary supporters are rapid lunatics like those who attended these protests. However, I'm not sure how any rational Hillary supporter can still justify their support. I sure can't.
That anger is irrational. Who are they trying to hurt? Themselves? If they believe in Hillary and her views are almost exactly the same as Obama's, why would you support opposite views? The nation has spoken; more people believe in Obama's leadership skills. He didn't throw kitchen sinks, he organized well, presented issues well, and earned the nomination.
As a former Bush voter and a Hillary supporter who would have voted Democrat, my vote will be going McCain.
Hillary supporters are behaving like children. We can only hope that they all grow up before November.
Interpretation: "If we can't win the game by cheating, we'll take our marbles and go home!"
Clinton initially agreed to the rules committee until it wasn't convenient to do so. When faced with the likely possibility of losing, she quickly changed her mind.
A typical Hillary do-what-ever-it-takes mentality.
Greatest democracy? How can a person who polled zero votes get 32 delegates in Michigan. It is more like elbowing out your opponent through power and influence.
how you win an election..... declare the U .S. to have 48 states.... when elected give them back their votes...... make sure the people know you gave them back full delegate strength......allow the two states to join the union....... do not allow a revote that was completely paid by an outside group......this action would be too democractic..... always wear your flag pin.... it looks good on tv.......if you really want to win an election write in on the ballot HILLARY CLONTON..... let the DNC know that you care....
Congratulations to the Rules committee for sorting through a no-win situation and agreeing to the compromises suggested by the Florida and Michigan delegations.
If Hillary fights their decision to the Credentials committee or to the convention, it will only be to sabotage Obama or to extort a vice-presidential appointment. She'll become persona non grata in the Democratic party, especially if McCain wins in November.
Obama certainly worked the rules to get where he is now, yet his supporters disparage Sen. Clinton for working rules to her advantage. Let's give voters credit for the way they voted, and divert the correct number to Clinton–our next President!
We in Michigan were told by the DNC that our votes would not count. I voted uncommited anyway, knowing my vote would not count. Some of my Democratic neighbors voted in the Republican primary, knowing their vote would not count. Most of my neighbors stayed home and didn't vote, knowing their vote would not count. And now the DNC has decided that the votes count? How anyone (Clinton) can believe that these votes in any way reflect the true will of the Michigan people is beyond me. The DNC should be ashamed of themselves for backing down.
I'm sick and disgusted by everyone in this primary. Clinton, Obama, McCain. All the same. I'm a Clinton supporter but a Democrat first. I won't vote for McCain nor Obama. I right now I wouldn't vote for Clinton.
If Hillary's and Obama's platforms are but, say, 20 degrees apart, but their platforms are a near 180 degrees from McCain, why, other than race or MSGS [1], would Hillary supporters vote for McCain?
[1] Major Sour Grapes Syndrome
Go ahead and vote for China to emerge as the worlds superpower as we waste trillions of dollars on senseless wars that will outstretch our military and make us weaker against terrorists... Go ahead... I hope your grandchildren get the opportunity to thank you for destroying our nation.
What happened to Russia after wasting all it had on senseless wars?
Wake up people...
This was as fair as it could be, given the circumstances. The fairest thing would have been to uphold the DNC's prior statement, that these were just beauty contests. For now, if Hillary wins the rest of the delegates, she will be the nominee, and I will support her. If she doesn't, I will support Obama. This is simple. I am in Florida and did not vote because I was told my vote would not count.
This is a clear indication of why we don't want Clinton as President. She attracts the far-right extremist ideology that the country is trying to desperately to rid itself of.
The people who are saying they will vote for McCain, were not going to vote for Senator Obama anyway. The Clintons have suceeded in making the Democratic party a mess. The nerve of the Clintons to speak of how much they love this country. Its pathetic that the Clintons are whinning and complaining because things are not going their way. This is not about them, but about what this country needs in fixing the mess Bush has made. Bill and Hillary have shown the country their true colors. The votes in Florida and Michigan should not have been counted at all.
Well, finally the Democrats get to know about Hillary what the Republicans have known for 16 years.
Hopefully it won't take them 16 years with Obama.
Anyone voting for McCain out of spite instead of serving their democratic principles aren't even mature enough to vote. they should go back to the sand box and learn how to play fair and lose gracefully.
There shouldn't have been ANY compromise. Florida and Michigan broke the rules.
When elected leaders in the highest positions of government disrespect rules and truth itself, do we even have a civilized society anymore?
Stephanie says>>You should of bowed out and ran again when it was your turn.>>
The real pity was that her time was in 2004. She would have been a much stronger candidate than Kerry and we would all be working on her re-election campaign now.
Hillary Clinton continues to divide our great country. I have never knew of her to be so selfish...she only cares about herself....not the democratic party, not her supporters...she will stop at nothing to win..even if it means playing all the dirty tricks....
its sad to watch the "undecided superdelagates" to sit on the sidelines...they know what the outcome is,...they know tthey can end it....make your decision now...stop allowing the Clintons to continue to make a mockery of our demoncratic process....THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
The Democratic Party will nominate a Presidential candidate that will not win in the General Election. It is so obvious that Barack will not win due to the states he won against Hillary are traditionally Republican States (the red states). I predict that McCain will be the next President and the Democrats will lick their wounds again for the next 4 years......
This all becoming tiring. Dems who vote for McBush should no longer have the gall to complain when he is elected. You asked for it, you got it!
Well, The Clinton supporters are going to take their marbles and go home to the horrible politics that got our country in it's current mess. What kind of folks would act against their own best interests?? I guess it's the same ones that voted for George W. before, so lets just wipe their mud off the democratic party and get on with beating John McCain in November. Obama has acted with more restraint against the spoiled-child antics of Hillary than I could have. He is going to be the next president and I am looking forward to not seeing Hillary's pantsuit again.
ICKES needs to get real. Hillary was given delegates she didn't have until yesterday and she was given more than anyone else. A primary with only one candidate for any reason on the ballot is a joke. As Dodd just said, they all agreed to not run in FLA and MI. The Hillary campaign needs to knock it off.
Nothing more un-American than 30 people choosing for 2.6 million.
Hillary Clinton should run as an independent in the general election. I am a republican and would vote for her because of the way the democratic party leadership has stolen the nomination from her. The leadership has always wanted Obama to win. In fact, Obama has not shown me that the people are behind him. He won majority of delegates in states which held caucases, which are basically a small group of elected politicians controlled by the party. Notice that where there were no caucuses, Hillary won most of those states. Too Bad for Obama that the people's vote counts in the general election. Hers' to Hillary running as an independent!
"Hillary should take it to the convention," is a statement that comes up a bit here and other places...
But what can Hillary take to the convention if enough superdelegates endorse Obama to make even a 100% recognition of the MI and FL delegations insufficient to put her over the top?
Those of you who want to take it to the convention REALLY want such a divisive disaster? This is the best year for Democrats in decades; if there is a major fight at the convention, neither Hillary or Obama will have a chance in the November... is that what you really want?
But I guess if you're willing to vote for McCain - a man who holds no progressive/liberal ideals - over Obama who is a 95% policy clone of Clinton, then you never cared about putting a Democrat in the office to begin with.
I am an Obama Supporter. I have been a lifelong democrat. I HATE dirty politics (such as those of the Hillary camp). If this nomination is STOLEN from Obama, I will do everything in my power to campaign for an Obama Democrats for McCain (just to slap the superdelegates and the Democratic party in the face). I will then switch my party afiliation to Independent.
Reminds me of the spoiled kids who take their ball and go home when they don't get their way.
I'm going to get a whole lot of supporters together to boo the judge next time I break a traffic law. Maybe while I am at it, I can run down someone who did follow the law.
What a shameful fiasco yesterday. Just a few points to consider for the unhinged "Hillary or McSame" people.
1. Hillary is 'owed' nothing, and she 'deserves' nothing, other than the right to campaign just like anyone else who has met the requirements. She is certainly not 'owed' nor after her recent conduct does she 'deserve' the nomination.
2. If we are all forced to accept another four years of Bush, all your threats about what you plan to do in November will come back on you, as you'll not only turn other dems against you, but millions of centrists like me will work tirelessly to make sure that she will look back on this proactive and voluntary disintegration of the party as political and career suicide.
She's done, and if she has any sense, she'll admit that and preserve her own political future, which is becoming apparent is all she really cares about in the first place. What a depressing display for those who just want the country back.
this is wonderful.. hope you democrats keep this up till the convention.. it will be just like the good old days.. i can be thankful that we do not have such a divisive person like hillary in our party
Its her party and she'll cry if she wants to .
Obama 08'
I am an inmigrant and I love this country more than Obama, I feel angry with him for all the obvious reason discussed here. It is so disgusted. I will vote for anybody else but him. He is a COMMUNIST !!! I am from Cuba and all this type of language is very familiar to me. Hillary will do a better role as a leader of the best country of the world than him.
Barack-I can't believe you left our church because of something that was said this week by Pfleger. It's not like you haven't heard this kind of stuff for the last 20 years. Why didn't you quit 5 or 10 years ago?
It's obvious now that everything you do is to pander to white folk so you can get their vote. You really have no core beliefs and therefore
cannot offer change we can believe in. It's a sad day.
I am saddened by this. If it was the other way around Barack wouldn't have a chance. He played by the rules that he did not created. I think Clinton will get the nominee. But there is no way she can beat McCain. She made a lot of people mad. McCain has not. Do you think the new voters that voted because Obama is on the ticket are going to vote for Hilary? No. The African American voter will not vote for her. The Independence will not vote for her. The United States is not desperate for her. Hilary killed the Democratic Party. How can you possibly take the Democratic Party seriously if they are changing the rules they created.
I love Bill and Hillary and feel that Hilliary is entitled to be Pres this time because it is her turn and becuase she is a women. I also feel should should have gotton all of the votes in Mi because Obama took his name off the list. Bill and Hllary are very honest and just want to help our country do better. I think the supports of Clinton were angry because it is not fair that Hillary is behind so much because of the sexist votes. Hillary loves our country and is a woman and it is a woman's turn to be Pres, and I don't care if Obama has won more states, more delegates, more popolar vote, can unite our country better, becasue I fell Bill and Hillary should be Pres becauce they are entitled to it because of the good job Bill did.
Listen Fools.....Hillary supporters agreed to pay the entire amount to re-do the michigan vote. They could start all over and just re-vote again. But obama said NO. The little whinning liar was so afraid that he would loose Michigan he wouldn't have any part of it. So now he wants some of Michigan's votes??? BS.
By the way, I just read this....regarding Wright, obama said "I didn't see this one coming". If you are stupid enough to believe this then you deserve what you're going to get from this nitwit.
I also will vote for mccain if hillary doesn't get the nominiation. I live in CA and it seems we out here haven't had the chance to participaate in the recent faceoffl–I'd like to be heard as a voice from ca that even thougoh we haven't been on this news, we still support Hillary1
Let's see what Hillary tells her followers. She should be telling them not to hurt the Democratic Party no matter what. If she doesn't, she
may hurt her political career forever.
Stop pretending this was about democracy. If this was about democracy, Hillary would have spoken up long before. This is about doing anything to win, even if it means bending the rules and dividing the party.
“Denver! Denver!” is an ancient indigenous phrase meaning, “Obama is the nominee.”
if clinton loses.. i'm voting mccain... i can't stand the spine-less obama!
Hillary LIED about Bosnia. She DIDN'T DO HOMEWORK reading the Intelligence Report on her desk before VOTING TO INITIATE WAR IN IRAQ (rather than focus on Afghanistan), she IGNORED ECONOMISTS and BRIDGE SAFETY concerns (I-35 bridge collapse in Minnesota) with her GAS TAX HOLIDAY and she wants to INITIATE WAR WITH THE DNC to count the results of controverted "elections' that she said did not count! She misled voters is Michigan in Florida with her statements and now RENEGES on her agreement and pledge to the DNC re the illegal unsanctioned contests.
YUPP ... she sound like a real Clinton! Bill taught her well!
Mike
Vote McCain 2008!
The more I hear about BO...my convection to vote for J McCain is growing stronger and stronger.
It's amazing how the Obama supporters continue to use nasty insults towards Clinton supporters, who are dissatisfied with the DNC's decision to blow off Hillary. This ongoing disrespect and arrogance is part of the reason why many, many Clinton supporters will either move over towards McCain, or stay home in November.
Those HIllary Clinton supporters were acting out the same nasty disposition Hillary has displayed. Losing reveals character. These people lack the kind of character needed to be winners.
If Obama loses don't blame Hillary. Even if she had quite months ago many of us Clinton supporters would not support Obama. The party is pretty much evenly split. We want Clinton. We DO NOT want Obama. He is NOT change. I vote for the person, not the party. Dean has pretty much screwed up the Democrat party and I hope he is ousted when the election is over and the moderates take back the party. The Democrats have lost the last 3 elections which should have been won handily but they messed up and they have messed up again with their support of Obama.
yes i am a lifelong democrat...veteran of the Mcgovern campain and I will NOT vote for the Obama phony. It is a npathetic reality that the party "leadership" doesnt have the stones to say what MUST be said; that the country needs Clinton and the people who voted for the phony were mislead.
Obama is the most likeable presidential candidate in years. You people screaming about voting for McCain are truly bizarre. I guess that is the uneducated response to be expected at this point.
I had always liked Hillary just fine, but if she doesn't accept defeat now and rally around her fellow democrat, then she needs to take a long look in the mirror. So do the rest of you Obama bashers.
Obama 08
Makes no sense to comment...
I can't believe some people are saying this is fair. It's the DNC that messed up - not the people of the states of Florida and Michigan. Why should their vote only count 1/2 the full value. They should be treated like equal citizens - not half citizens. A revote, at least, should have taken place long ago. Shame on the DNC for allowing this mess to continue and for taking so long to address it. I don't blame people for being upset. It IS enough to make people want to switch votes and to switch parties because of the DNC has handled this issue. I am very disappointed as well.
Please go to McCain. Just don't complain when you are faced with the same issues we have been dealing with for the past 8 years. I think it is sad these people are so caught up with the Clinton's they don't see that it her campaign has NOTHING to do with you or the American people. It is all about what the Clinton's want and feel they are entitled to. So by all means back McCain.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO WINS THE NOMINATION-–McCAIN IT'S GOING TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY---IT'S OBVIOUS!!!!
I think that all the votes should count. The voters made there choice and just because a select few chose to change the date where the election would take place is no reason that the people of those states should get shafted. I have to agree that voting for McCain may not be the best idea, but then again I can't bring myself to cast a vote for Obama. I am don't think that big speeches and no experience would be good for our country either.... Maybe if Hillary doesnt get a chance we should wish for other choices..... not that this is a reality though.
The supporters of Mrs. Clinton lost their balance of their minds. If Hillary not crowned, they are for McCain. What is this logic?
They must know the party rules and all the candidates agreed. On that basis other candidates withdrew their names from the ballot except Hillary. DNC must punish Hillary for not following the party line.
DNC awarded half vote to the Fl and MI delegates. Hillary supporters in the DNC rule comitee too agreed. Party is important than the candidates. The worst is the Hillary's agent harold Icky who agreed to punish Fl and Mi at the start. Now he play a different tune. Opportunism has no place to determine the candiadate for a party fo a great country.
My doubt is how Hillary people respect the laws of the nation or world bodies if they cannot respect the rule of their own party? I see a shadow of Bush....who refused to accept the Geneva Convention.
Hillary will not become an independent so I'm voting for John McCain. This country is alot more safe in this man's hands than liar obama.
By the way. I think Hillary should drop out at this point. It is time for her to go home and let the Dems and the media try to work their magic with the Chosen one. I am hoping she just goes quietly back to NYC and stays out of this election. It is obvious that she is not wanted by the Dems in power Her and Bill need to go home. It is over Hillary. You did your best and you did it with honor.
Here is a thought, has anyone asked Michele Obama if she was "proud" of how her husband got his Senate seat? Or is the Chicago politics the "new" politics Obama is bringing to DC? What he did is similar to Bush vs. Gore in 2000.
It is their American right to as low and selfish as they want to be... I'm glad that Obama is above this and was willing to give a little to make sure people in both states are represented...... too bad Hillary and her supporters only want to take..... perhaps this why she lost the election.
What's the difference between the Supreme Court hijacking votes and the Dnc doing the same thing?I have stopped voting,we the people make no difference anymore.
I hope that Bill & Hillary and all of their supporters are proud of themselves!!! I don't believe for one moment that this campaign wasn't behind the behavior of their supporters yesterday!! that was definitely the example to set for our young people....when you don't get what you want, scream and shout & hope you get your way or be disrespecful to others...after all that is the Clinton way. While you are voting republican, do us all a favor a join that party!!!
If those Clinton supporters want to vote republican, DO SO. And while you are at it, just remember that your sons and daughters will be going off to war.
This is astonhising. Why does one hear this "If the nominee is not my choice I'll go McCain" only from Clinton supporters? The lady has stirred up so much antagonism bordering on hate among her supporters that they don't seem to mind whether the Democratic party is destroyed in the process. I think she should denounce very vehemently and unequivocally their voice of hatred.
When are folks going to wake up? Obama is an empty suit. A bag of "hot air". Come the election, McCain will win > 90% of the 50 states claiming a landslide victory. Clinton has showed what true grit and determination is – she has earned the nomination and would stand a better chance against McCain.
Finally, true democrates working hard to ensure the Republic remains for the people!
I have been a long time Democrat, but I am 99% sure that I will vote for McCain if Obama wins. Obama would join the "famous" church when he needed them to become the nominee, and quit when he believed they are in the way. Does that mean he is a hypocrite?He doesn't stand up for what he believes. Period.
In Florida, it was a Republicans who controlled the state who moved the primary, Democrats had nothing to do with it. So we are punishing the voters for something the Republicans did?
Let 'em go. If they are too blind to see what's really going on, who needs them?
It really is sad to see that all the delegates that wil be seated would only count as half a vote. It's a disgrace to all voters.
Now in the part of Hillary voters going to McCain if Obama wins the nomination. Are they that scared of Barack Obama?
Whatever. The few that follow through with their childish threat, we won't need anyway. We'll win w/o them.
How many days has it been since Hillary and McCain voted to go to war in Iraq?
YES WE CAN – WHEN WE UNITE
I hope Clinton lives up to her promise to fully back Obama as her chances look slim and her supporters look determined to divide the party. As someone from Michigan told me, they hoped Clinton would not try to take away their voice for Obama because they were told to vote Uncommitted since his name was on the ballot.
Let's move along Clinton supporters!! Enough is enough...time to put it to bed – good night!! Sweet dreams...
Obama all the way!!
I am a life-long democrat but as a result of what the party has done to Hillary I don't know that I will vote for Obama this election. The party and the media has done a job on Hillary she deserved the nomination as the best qualified person for the job. Obama is an empty suit with little experience. I don't think that I could vote for someone that is so poorly qualified to be the commander in chief, we've already voted for one charismatic know-nothing the last two elections. Let's not be fooled again.l
HAHA.... go Hillary! Obama cannot with w/o Clinton Democrats many of whom agree w/ McCain on global warming, immigration, stem-cell research, campaign finance reform, and taxes
Hillary Clinton has worked so hard for her entire political career trying to put the Democratic Party back in the map, after being destroyed by Reagan and Bush. I am amazed that instead of recognizing her contributions to create this new strong Democratic Party, the DNC put a young, inexperienced Obama who simply ride on the coattails of Bush disasterous policy!
I don't buy this sexist argument in the beginning, but as I keep reading what Obama supporters write in forums and comments like this (e.g. hissy fit), I realize that it is the only reason why both Obama supporters and Democratic Party loathe her, a very strong and determined woman. Nobody is calling Obama as "throwing a hissy fit" when he feebly castigated Republicans for going after his wife.
Worse, I think Obama has many more uncovered skeletons in the closet and with his behaviors of throwing his inconvenient supporters under the bus (grandma, Pastor, and now, church), if he is getting the ticket, I am either going to stay out the election or (shudder) vote for McCain.
The Obama supporters on these blogs have said they would never vote for Clinton if she were the nominee. In fact their own candidate said that he knew Hillary's supporters would vote for him but he doubted all his supporters would vote for her. Now that Obama has the nomination within sights, we should all unite. That seems rather two-faced. I, for one will vote Green Party or Ralph Nader. I wont vote for a candidate who's supporters mock me with comments about age,gender, and educational level.
Obama is to left wing to be president, vote for McCain. At least he votes for what he beleives in instead of special interest (see Obama's voting record in Illniois). McCain should put Hillary on his ticket since they both vote for America.
It's just silly that Clinton supporters wouldn't try and get rid of the old bush ways Bush by sticking with the Dem. It also just sounds ridiculous that she is saying how she is ahead in the popular vote but only if you don't count true American votes with the caucus states but Puerto Rrico is just so important for her... Why is that?
I am a 20yr old Rep. army wife from an all white family in Indiana and every one in my family from me to all my grandparents is supporting Obama.....
Harold Ickes voted to strip the delegates from Michigan and Florida and now he's personally attacking Barack Obama on the compromise. What a hypocrite! He's also saying Barack hasn't mentioned Hillary in his apology about Father Pfleger which is a lie. It is on You Tube and I also read another instance where he mentions how horrible the attacks on her were in a story in SD, where he mentions her. I don't care if they stay in the race until Wednesday making their case on the popular vote. Fine, it is their right. But why do they think they can lie and try to slime Barack without some consequence to them and to our party. I think Clinton doesn't realize the sour taste people will have in their mouth from all her personal attacks on Barack and if she is trying to ruin Barack's chances so she can run in 2012 it is a bad strategy. Man, people get drunk with power so easily. Note to self-never run for office.
What the Democrats don't understand is that you need independents to win an election. Even though I am a Clinton supporter, as an independent, I feel no guilt about voting for McCain. Obama better hope that the rest of us independents don't feel the same.
Make no mistake as an african american of this country and a devoted
democratic, the fact that the Democratic party has seem fit to trash my vote and used the superdelegates to give the nod to the obvious party
favorite Obama, is something we see in other countries not here. But
come November there will be an opportunity to make our vote count, and that said Go McCain. By the way in case you didn't know yes I am a Hillary support and I am in Florida.
I agree with Marcelo – if HRC supporters vote for McCain, and McCain wins, he'll continue the war. Then the blood of the soldiers will be on their hands, just like it's on the hands of GW. Are they willing to betray everything we stand for at at time when America must redefine its role the world, just because your nominee didn't win? What kind of person does that make them? The word 'cultist' comes to mind....
Just another reason why we should do away with the primary season and just have the general election and let everybody run. People talk about party unity, when you look at the parties there is nothing but disunity. Each one has several different factions each trying to control what the party does.
Yet, since nobody in the parties really wants to actually let the PEOPLE
really choose who will be President of the United States, we're stuck with the circus that we have. God save the United States of America.
McCain = Angry, Spiteful old man
Hillary supporters that vote McCain because she doesn't get the nomination = Angry, Spiteful voters
Obama didn't make this decision. The DNC did and they did so in the only way they could if they interpreted their rules "liberally'. Remember, the votes were not going to count AT ALL.
The Hillary supporters who attempted to disrupt the meeting reminded me of the Bush supporters in 2000. Shameful and not worthy of being a Democrat. So, take your ball and go home (vote McCain) if you must, but you must be ready to pay the consequences if McCain wins because you didn't put personalities (race?) aside and vote for Obama. His positions and Hillary's are almost identical except for on healthcare which would be a major improvement either way.
Dems 08
even a moron would decide fairly quickly .....
to stay with the Church, or
to be in the race for President post.
Obama must have quit his church long time ago.
THe verdict is fair and clear. HRC want things to fall in line for her which most can understand. It's all about her ot the people. She voted to reject the votes of FLA and MICH. and now want them because she behind. Sen. Obama was talking the popular vote when he won the 11 in a row and HRC was saying POPULAR vote is not important it's the DELEGATES. Now she flips to the popular when she's behind in delegates. Whatever fits what she needs at the time and what gets me is that Americans are falling for it. Media has been rough on her? They continue to handle her with KID gloves. Like I said Whatever fits her argument at the moment. Lets vote for change.
OBAMA 2008
King Solomon once had a tough decision. Two women each claimed a baby was their own. Solomon said "Cut the baby in two and give half to each mother." The real mother said "No, give him to the other!" Solomon then knew who the real mother was.
The DNC had a very tough decision and knew not everyone would be happy with it. It is really too bad that some Clinton supporters, who felt they "lost," are willing to subvert the next election in favor of McCain. So, who are the real Democrats?
Maybe Hillary's new slogan will be: Mc-Cain and Dis-Able
I am a Democrat and have been waiting patiently for this to resolve itself and have not chosen to support either candidate. I think Obama or Clinton will make great Presidents and will support whomever our party endorses.
Now that there is a solution to the FL and MI debacle, and I think a fair one, it seems we can't start crying "foul". I don't think the DNC is causing the divisiveness in the party…we are. Many supporters (for both candidates) are tearing us apart. Shockingly, many have been behaving like the Republicans in the name destructive tones and arguments.
As many posters have pointed out, and I concur, the rules were broken and punishment had to follow other wise they’d be setting a precedent that needn’t happen.
As a Clinton voter and supporter I am so upset with the Clinton hawks yesterday. I work in higher education and we teach students everyday, you break the rules, you pay the price. Michigan and Florida broke the rules. I, personally do not think either delegation should be seated. This is a sad parlor trick Hillary pulled and makes me feel sorry for all of the turncoats in the party who will vote McCain in November because of this. Obama won fair and square. Lets not let this opportunity slip from our hands.
For those who are upset about this now, and saying they will vote for McCain...the GOP did the same thing the Democrats did - they took away half of FL and MI votes. They just did it at the beginning of the process, not the end...which avoided this whole messy controversy.
It goes to show how much better organized the GOP is than the Democrats. Same problem, same solution, less controversy.
McCain stands exactly opposite the Democrats on virtually every position. Any Democrat who votes for him out of spite does not understand this.
McCain wants to overturn Roe v Wade. He wants to privatize Social Security. He favors school vouchers. He supports the war in Iraq. He is against equal rights for same-sex couples. How anyone who is a Democrat, and supports the Democratic ideals can vote for McCain is beyond me.
By the way, how many people have ever tried to umpire a ball game? I did it ONE TIME when I was younger. The first thing I learned was, you NEVER change your call. People from both sides of the field get real angry very quickly.
The second comment on this blog; "And why would Obama take his name off? "
Has The USA reached the level where Honour is foolish?
And besides it speaks volumes where Clinton barely got half the votes running against no-one !!
In One Word: 'Crooked' Both Democratic Party Rules and Leaders. Clinton supporters will make the Correct decision if they Vote for McCain instead of Obama ....IF.. Clinton does NOT receive the Nomination. Obama is the LEAST and MOST UNQUALIFIED person in the campaign. Obama has NO business even being a participant in the Campaign BECAUSE HE IS NOT EXPERIENCED AND NOT QUALIFIED. Obama has NO clue about Government or Leadership. Obama spent ONLY 3 years in the Senate and Accomplished NOTHING. Obama doesn't even have a decent resume. WHY are Democrats pushing this guy? Makes NO SENSE.
If Obama is the Dem candidate, I'LL VOTE McCAIN!!!
If those radical Hillary Clinton supporters feel that way, then they are free to vote for McCain and suffer the consequences of their hotheaded, knee-jerk reaction.If they vote for McCain, then they were not true Democratic voters anyway.
The super delegate from Las Vegas is under indictment. Why was she permitted to voice her opinion?
I have been a Republican for 35 years and have recently switched my party.Obama is the reason!I am 58 and have worked on Wall Street 25 years.The Clintons are close to City Bank,hedge funds,and private equity funds.When I worked at Drexal these people were called corporate raiders.I count myself an expert on these grouips and the morgage crisis.Many of their supportors are part of the cause of this morgage mess.She wanted to appoint two of the main players in this mess to help solve the problem,Robert Reuben and Alan Greenspan.The morgage problem is only part of our economic woes.Paul Vocker and Warren Buffet,two brillant men on the economy and the Fed are backing Obama.Compare Obama's integrity ratings to hers.I hope the Clinton people don't go Repulican.That would be a tragic thing.
Let's write Clinton in, we can vote for who we want. I want nothing to do with the hate filled Obama campaign, and if you doubt it is hate filled read the posts here. Obama does not represent me, he voted for the Cheney Energy bill, he skipped FISA, he skipped Kyle Liberman, he skipped 42% of his votes. More importantly he voted present 8 times on votes that pertained to a woman's right to choose. He has no backbone to take a stand, it's which ever way the wind blows, or the votes go . His supporters are some of the most hate filled I have ever seen, again read the posts here, look at his church. He sat in that church for years and listened to people cheer hate and racism, and now that it is going to affect the vote, he dumbs them. He says he's for hope and change, he says he's for uniting the country, well I don't see it, again just hate written here. Vote Hillary, she didn't need to steal delegates to win!
Please expect an announcement by HRC today !! SuperDs can end this today !!
If she can't have it, no one can. This is like a bad abusive relationship. Clinton supporters, you've been had. This woman doesn't care about you, she wants another chance to pillage the white house, like she and her husband did when he left. I mean that literally, they stole $80,000 worth of furnishings and housewares (including wall to wall carpeting) before he left. That's who I want to run the country I love!
blech.
I'm stocking up on the new Obama bumper sticker: "NO We Can't!" and "One Party Two Votes"
I knew this would happen. A fair deal is reached, and Clinton supporters are still crying foul. Nothing is ever fair enough. It's just really sad to see people be so short sighted. this has been a fair race, and your candidate has lost. Be reasonable.
Hillary complained constantly about FL and MI counting. Well, now they are counting and still she complains. As of yesterday, she needed 244 delegates and now she needs 241. Yesterday Obama needed 42 and now needs 67.
So who come out behind here? Still, he is in total agreement but of course her and Bill's crying will continue.....forever.
It is NOT a democracy when Michigan and Florida
votes are not delegated as voted, shame to the DNC
McCain will have my vote if Obama wins by default!!
Next Clinton supporters statement: "Oh well I know the law said we can't rob banks but since so many of us ignored that law we should be able to keep the money and go free."
Anyway, Democrats 08
Please do! Please Clintonites who have fully drank the kool-aid, please vote for McCain! Help ensure another Republican victory! Please Vote for McCain, keep our courageous men and women in Iraq! Please Vote for McCain so he can appoint 2 more Conservative Judges to the Supreme Court and numerous others to the Federal Courts who will overturn Roe v. Wade. PLEASE Clintonites and your poor understanding of how you've been played...Please vote for McCain so we can have more of the same. Please cut off your nose to spite your face.
I doubt anyone who supports Clinton will understand much of this as she has overwhelming support of "blue collar workers" = uneducated white trash. There is no "overall vote" argument you ignorant fools! She cannot count caucus states because those numbers are not released for adding the total vote. She never mentions that because she wants you to believe every word that spills out of her cackling maw!
PLEASE vote for McCain so our country will have more of the same. Will you gather together and ride the bus from FL when the Supreme Court rules on every issue that you so badly want to keep. Will you look in the mirror and point the finger at yourself or will you continue to blame others for the simple fact that the majority of Democratic voters wanted someone else. Please stop claiming the "sexist card"; can't you see that people generally aren't voting against women...they are voting against THAT woman. Imagine if Barry Bonds had been the first African-American to break the color barrier instead of Jackie Robinson. Things would have been totally different. The same goes with Hillary...just because she's a woman whose come the farthest doesn't make her the RIGHT one.
So when you fill in your circle, pull your switch, or punch your CHAD, make sure it is for McCain on Nov. 2! Thank you Clintonites for showing your true colors. Enjoy the feeling of the knife as it slices off your own nose as you spite the rest of us!
It amazes me to hear that a Democrat would vote for McCain who will load the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, continue the Iraq war and probably start a serious conflict with Iran. I guess that these are emotions talking and I hope they will cool off enough for voters to think things through before November.
This just goes to show the intelligence level of some people. The fact of the matter is that Clinton and Obama have a very similar voting record, which are both very different from McCain's. To cross over to another party over this is unfair to your party, your candidate, and the American people.
IF OBAMA WINS AFTER CHEATING, WE DEMOCRATES ARE GOING WITH MCCAIN. GREED IS A SIN...HIS PREACHER SHOULD KNOW.
HILLARY IS BETTER QUALIFIED AND YET PELOSI IS PUSHING THE OBAMA GREED GROUP. SHE DOES NOT WANT HILLARY IN THE CONVENTION. SHE HAS SAID THAT VERY STATEMENT.
MCCAIN LOOKS VERY GOOD AND IS READY TO ACCEPT THE DEMOCRATES COMING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
OBAMA IS A FAKE!!!! PRETENDION IS IS NAME AFTER HIS GREED.
GO TO MCCAIN IS THE NEW MOTTO IF HE DOES NOT GIVE THE VOTES BACK TO HILLARY THE EXPERIENED ONE.
they should see the video of Hillary telling them not to vote for mcain and anger. she And Obama really believe the same things and have the same goals. They just have different ways of trying to reach them.
I am just sick of having presidents who are Bush and Clinton last 20 years we had Bush Clinton administration, it is time for change Hillary is trying to force her way in, she is pathetic
If angry Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain, then let them do it. These are people who want to have their ways in everything anyway. Let see what McCain will give them at the end. Four years from now you will come right back to where you are now if not worse.
The whole acting of Hillary Clinton and her followers is just ridiculous. Obama did not even have his name on the ballot in Michigan, and now Clinton gets delegates or this primary. Considering that fact, how insane the Clinton folks are to complain about the situation.
Obama has taken the high road here. Hillary, rules are rules. If Florida and Michigan should be included in the process, they should, at their expense, hold a new primary in accordance with the rules of the Democratic party.
Our 2 party system is archaic, but politicians thrive in it. Maybe this debacle will make room for a 3rd party–offering viable options rather than a choice between the lesser of two evils.
It is a shame that our politics have taken on a sports type mentality with rivalries between same party politicians yielding hurt feelings that get in the way of what is in the best interest of the people!
HILLARY'S PLAN FOR MICHIGAN
Hillary = ALL THE MICHIGAN DELEGATES
OBAMA = NO DELEGATES FROM MICHIGAN
Question for the DNC ( Hillary supporters)
1) Although Obama lost some states, he did win some delegates in those states. So, how can you argue that Obama should get 0 delegates in MI ?
2) Hillary states " Obama should not be awarded any delegates from MI". She is agitating her supporters to riot, essentially trying to rig the votes.
Just like a Tribal election = MUGABE regimen
3) She had the support of 13 members of the DNC rules committee.
Why she did not question the MI, FL issue when she was leading the delegate count ? In-fact she agreed to all the bylaws set fourth by the DNC rules committee.
Please do not cry foul when you are loosing the nomination. Players do not have the right to change the rules in the middle of the game to suit you own agenda. We are talking about our country, and not about somebody who think she has the birthright to become the president of this great country.
Sure, Hillary supporters will vote McCain and get him elected in November, just like they did to get Bush in power. In 10 years, we will reflect on this and say “We missed a great chance to unite our country and the whole world”
Al Gore,Howard Dean,Pelosi should all make a statement and endorse Obama after Tuesday's last primaries,that will unite the party.
Clinton knows after this negative-full of lies-delusional,thrash campaigning she has no chance to be nominee in the future years,that upsets her.This was her only chance and the name Clinton is over by yesterday.
Michigan-Florida was agreed months ago,funny Clinton makes it issue now,when she didn't ever mention it months ago when she was leading.
Those some Clinton fans who say they'll vote for McCain,go ahead,who cares,Obama will be president without your votes too,he is that strong.Funny Hillary's plans are more similar to Obama's than McCain's,but her fans prefer McCain,why?They can't stand a black president,still open racism,get a life..
Bad behaviour and threats do NOT become Party activists. What an insult to Mrs Clinton that her supporters would attack her Party while she is still running to capture its nomination.
They need to chill out.
Some people just have to vote for a liar, he is a confirmed liar, by his own word. The degeneration of the political process and election of leadership in our country continues in spite of the lessons learned during vietnam, and now iraq. Lies cost lives. To bad americans must sleep in the political quagmire, and pay for the mess these egotists so casually create.
There is something wrong with a system that if you win CA, NY, PA, FL, OH, NJ, TX, MA, and MI, you still lose the nomination.
It's the Electoral College stupid...It's the electoral college stupid!!!!!
I think the majority of Clinton supporters are fair minded people. This is an emotional period of the campaign, but most of the Clinton supporters will step up and do what"s good for the country in the end. Obama supporters, don't label all Clinton supporters as "nutjobs!", they're not ,and you'll need them to take back this country. There are idiots from both camps who can't see past the end of they're noses, but these are not representative of either camp. Let's just get it done in november.
This primary will be a valuable teaching tool for Civics professors nationwide. We as adults expect (demand) that our children follow the rules! We're teaching youngsters that it is okay to ignore rules. Senator Obama's camp was awarded a 50/50 split by the DNC rules committee but yet agreed to compromise even further. One would think that Clinton's supporters would be thankful. Instead, they behaved by yelling, screaming, etc. during the hearings.
Everyone (both camps) got more than they deserved from the DNC committee. Why?....because the whole process should have never taken place. The rules were known, both parties involved agreed to them and if I were in charge, Saturday's event would not have taken place. RULES ARE NOT MADE TO BE BROKEN!! YOU FOLLOW THEM...PERIOD!
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Just because they didn't get their way. This is crazy but if so then they were not Democrats anyway. They broke the rules so they should pay for it. Any if they want the war and no health ccare then they should vote for McCain. Hillary you are a pathetic to get these people to turn from from this Democratic Campaign. You promise to back Obama if he wins just like he would if you won. Don't be a jerk or jackss. The world is not built around the Clinton's anymore.
listen the Republican party also penalize MI and FL for moving there party forward. Please someone tell me why the republicans are not asking like animals? Can someone please get a grip on Hillary's supporters. They are acting like a group of rabid dogs.
Listen the only reason why anyone will vote for McCain over Obama if they are a Hillary Supporter is simply because of a racial issue. Admitting it is a step towards healing. Because Hillary and Obama both have the same goal. The issue overall is how to get to those goals. Hillary has obviously shown that she is a fighter... this quality is good in some instances (think divorce lawyers... expenses... no one gets anything done...someone is always left unhappy). However, sometimes you need a negotiator and thats what i believe Obama is good at.
Clinton really needs to bow out....
So disgruntled Clinton supporters will vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get what she wanted. Let 'em go. We don't need spoiled brats in the democratic party. WE want mature thinking adults whose first priority is what is good for our country...and who will abide by the rules determined by the democracy.
I see a lot of comments related to race in the current politics. First thing you all need to get strait is Obama is biracial. Hes 1/2 white 1/2 black so give the race thing a rest. Second of all the only time race actually came into this nomination process was when some one mentioned "hard working white blue collar Americans". Bottom line is she lost. If they are so angry at the democrats that they will vote for McCain, go for it. Just don't say a word when in 2 – 3 years we are fighting 5 or 6 wars across the world gas is 15$ a gallon and the US is on the verge of becoming a 3rd world country.
A few random comments...
Where were all of the complaining residents of FL and MI when it was clear that their vote would not count? We know HRC stated she understood the vote would not count so it is quite lousy of her to try and change the rules when it may be to her advantage.
I want Obama to represent me on the world stage and before our country.
If HRC somehow pulls this out, I will still vote for a democrat because I do not want another 4 years of the misguided republicans. Those that state "if HRC is not the nom, I'll vote for McCain... " are scary. This is not about the candidate whereas it is more about our country healing and being re-invented -a party switch will help.
Any COMEDIAN could have "mocked" HRC the way that preacher did. Its hilarious that this is an issue with Obama. I mean, if your relative or close friend mocked gays or minorities, does that make you a person of poor judgement? If your mother disaproves of you dating outside your race, would you denounce her? LOL, Im living that sceanrio right now.
If there is proof that Obama sat for 20 years and heard 20 years of racist rants etc, please let's have that come to the forefront for discussion.
Regardless of what Obama says, race will play a factor. There are some people in this country (TX, rural PA, WV, KY etc) who will simply never vote for a african-american man no matter how talented the candidate.
A comment about "experience." Our current president had government experience and 8 years on the job...look at the mess he has made. LOL...."mission accomplished."
We need someone who is not in bed with the energy companies and not interested in getting his/her name in the history books.
Ugh – can this be over.....
Hillary's Campaign promised 10,000 supporters at this "Rally" – 300 showed up.
I think this is an accurate reflection of how many of the die hard supporters the Clintons really have – despite what you might think reading these "Comments" sections.
Let me see: first Hillary said she would have voted against NAFTA if she could have foreseen the results.Next she would not have voted for the war in Iraq in hindsight. Then she gets all her supporters upset over MI & Fla saying that they would be disenfranchised when she first agreed to this procedure. What next? Will she go back on her word when she promised to campaign for the winner? We shall see that too. Good luck to!
McCain/Clinton Ticket
If McCain really wants to win he would choose Hillary as his VP choice. All he has to say is that he is a "uniter" and all Hillary has to to say is she agrees about real "Change" and they can work together to resolve the Iraq conflict. Hillary would bring in the moderate Democrats for McCain and he wins. The extreme conservatives can stay home, because they would not vote for Obama and they would not cause a problem even if they go Libertarian. Hillary has a shoe in for presidents spot in 8 years. If Hillary doesn't take VP, she has no other chance for President, because her worst case scenario is Obama does 8 years and his vp pick does another 8 years. Her best scenario is in 8 years. Hillary would not dare run against an incumbent democratic president and if Obama loses in 4 years to a Republican she has to wait that term out to run again.
It's all about how bad they want it. McCain and Hillary 2008.
Hillary clinton should stand up as an Independant. We cannot afford this country to go to the dumps again.!!! Hillary 08
I hope this will be music to Clinton's ears! What a disgusting woman!! She exactly accomplished what she hoped for : divide the party.
yup true if Clinton loses McCain has got my vote 100%...sorry Obama you dont meet this country's standards....
Obama ran a tv ad in Florida he broke the rules and got a prize!
It will be a pleasure to leave the dems, it has become a far -left we hate America party. THEY ARE A JOKE!!!!
I still believe Clinton will pull it off to a nomination.
But nationally, it will be McCain.
Sounds just like a woman,"my way or the highway".This has become all emotion and no logic.
I will have a tough decision in November if Obama is the nominee. I am a diehard card-carrying democrat but have never been so disgusted with party leaders as I have been during this campaign; from the way Florida and Michigan are being handled to the superdelegates who switched their vote based on the flavor of the month. I'll either vote for McCain or not vote for the presendential office at all – neither option is a good one.
Hillary has stoked the fires that have created followers who would rather vote for McCain, a man that cannot possibly agree with, than Obama who is so much more in line with their ideals. That would be tantamount to throwing themselves and everyone else off a cliff. If Hillary's people truly believe in the philosophy of the Democratic Party, if they can see the damage done to this country in the last 8 years of Republican rule, if they can think of our country and not just their own hurt feelings, there is no way they could vote for McCain in good conscience. That would be biting off your nose to spite your face. It would be a lose – lose situation. I hope that after the smoke clears, level heads will prevail, and they will do what they know in their hearts is the right thing.
I fit the profile of the angry Clinton supporters, white female over 50 from a union household. I'm confident that women like me will support the Democratic candidate. None of us will risk reversing Roe v Wade. If nothingg else that will bring most women of my generation to the polls for Obama. We know that McCain wants to undo the battles we fought in the 1970s and we won't let that happen.
What a group of spoilports! I am a Clinton supporter...and if she does not get the nomination I will vote for Obama....I do not want another four years of Republican mismanagement.....I would hope that all democrats would unite and elect the nominee of the Deml.party.
Two states held early primaries in spite of being told they should not....now, they want it to be forgiven and votes counted....Pleeze!
Democrats must unite and get the White House back! Ånd, common sense!
If you vote McCain you get:
Years & years of more US troops dying in Iraq AND Iran.
Even Higher Gas Prices which equals High Prices on EVERYTHING
Less Money to support yourselves in retirement.
Higher Medical costs
No Government accountibility
More Big Business hand-in-hand with More Big Government.
More lobbyist running OUR goverment.
Feel good about slapping down those "Obama people"
If you vote Obama (democrat) you get:
To at least hope that he will be able to change at least some of the problems above that the republicans in power of rained down upon this country.
Seems an easy choice to me.
Hey TrueBlue is Hillary raising money for the fight at the convention? If so please let me know why? She is suppose to be helping to unite the Democratic Party once FL and MI was seated. They are seated so what is the problem now?
As a Hillary Clinton supporter and a Democrat, I'm voting McCain. Obama's potential of combining vision with experience may one produce a viable candidate. Today, however, I'm afraid only Hillary and McCain have both. How about a McCain / Clinton 'non-partisan' ticket?
I really can't wait to see what happens when the Clinton backers vote for McCain...
I will be watching it from Canada...because I will not be here to see the third Bush term that is the McCain Presidency. Clinton tried to take advantage of flawed decisions in MI and FL. Had she played by the rules, then maybe she would already be out the race. I've never seen a canidate so defiant when defeat is so probable. I wish she and Ickes would just go away. Bill Clinton isn't coming back, folks. Jump on the Obama train and ride into DC!
Clinton and McCain are the same. Just the same old scum that has been running the show for decades: McCain is just more of W and
Clinton is just . . . well . . . Clinton. Who cares who is elected godfather between these two?
I am soooo tired of people saying that "it's about race" in this election.
People get your head out of the toilet and and look at the facts.
Obama is using EVERY dirty trick out there to disgrace Clinton, but whats new? EVERY election has people bringing out the bad things that he or she EVER did, instead of focusing on the TRUE issues. If we look at the records FAIRLY we can see Clinton has more experience than Obama, but will the USA do that FAIRLY? NO WAY IN HELL!!
So, yes IF AND when Clinton gets defeated ( cause the ruling was UNFAIR) I too will be switching my VOTE to McCain and not out of spite, but BECAUSE HE has the MOST experience between him and Obama.
4 delegates?
That's what everybody is ticked off about? Even if Hillary had those 4 'highjacked' delegates – more generously- even if she got Michigan's delegates and Obama got none, Obama would still be ahead and would most likely cross the finish line on Tuesday. So what's the big deal? Give them to her and she'll still lose.
Not because anything was stolen from her. But because she actually did think she was entitled to the nomination. Case in point – she hadn't planned anything past Super Tuesday. She thought she'd be taking her victory lap in February. Her 'strategy' has always been to count only those states that 'mattered' to her. The 'big' states. the non-caucus states, the states that end in 'S', or whatever the measure is of the day.
THAT is why she is not going to be the nominee. Not because of anything the RBC or DNC did. Not becuase of anything Obama did or didn't do. Not because of the media or the pundits or the vast LEFT-wing conspiracy. It's her fault and no one else's.
And out of curiosity, how many people showed up to protest her comments last year when she said 'Clealy this election they're having isn't going to count for anything' ? How many people were outraged then? Or thought their vote was being treated the same as a slave's vote? Was anyone crying disenfranchisement then?
Wake up. She only cared when she was losing. She only cared when she absolutely needed you. And if this had ended in Feb. as she had thought, the RBC wouldn't even have been petitioned.
yeah, race has nothing to do with this election.
its time to take the rabid dog put it beside the whole she has dug, and pause and reflect. This animal has just bit your child(democracy),BANG
It's ironic that we still have the Democratic Obama supporters after what occured yesterday still shouting about the rules. The rules broken and the punishment are clear a 50% deduction in their deleagtes. That is fine, what I have a problem with and every Demorat should, is that a rules & bylaws committee ave delegates that were won by another based on a legitimate primary in Michigan. The only falw in that primary was that 4 other nominees removed their name form the ballot by their own choice. Then theDNC in Michigan, along with the Omana and Edwards campaigned for a uncommitted voye from their supporters. In our charter "Uncommited" i a valid canidate, they receive their own delegates ame as thoe named on the ballot. By our Rules & Bylaw committe not only went againt their own rules, they made some up, which including going against the actual primary vote and basically guessing by using mutliple sources, including exit polls. What? In the next election based on thi precident, they Rules& Bylaws committe or any other DNC commitee could including any eveidence to make their case even wiuth rules that address the circumstances being evaluaded.
ok, so keep attacking those who won't vote for obama because they truly believe in hillary. is it possible that many of us just don't believe that obama represents the democratic party. i don't think he does. he is using republican measures to win. republicans win by disqualifying the others vote instead of getting more votes yourself. i would personally vote for the Green Party vs the republican styled obama.
If the RBC or the DNC thinks this is the best way to create UNITY within the Democratic Party and RUSH to force Superdelegates to declare for Senator Obama on Tuesday, they have another thought coming!
Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Brazile, et al of you Elites are simply giving John the election in November!
What part of Senator Obama can't win in November don't you understand?
They are discraceful!
John CCain will be honored to receive my vote; I will be honored to give it to him!
Unlike most of you leaving comments, I live in Florida and voted. I wonder why Obama didn’t put his name on the ballot in Florida and Clinton did. If he doesn’t care about Florida voters in the primary then he surely won’t care in November. If he gets the nomanation I will vote for McCain and most of the people I talk to in my state feel as I do.
Do any hardcore Clinton supporters realize that the Republican National Committee *also* punished FL and MI by halving their delegate votes?
Ignorance is usually bliss, but in this case it is just nuts!
Now I know why the kids at school are so shocked when rules are applied. They aren't bad kids, they just don't understand, after watching their parents, that rules are made for everyone – you break them, you have a consequence.
There are two special interest groups in this fray and one or the other was bound for disappointment – which wouldn't have needed to happen if either state's Democratic party had followed the rules.
Once upon a time, I admired the Clintons. I voted for him twice and did so happily. I spoke up when others attacked Hillary. I began this primary season thinking that Clinton/Obama would be the greatest ticket ever offered in human history. NOW, I am sickened by the whining, the poor sportsmanship, and the integrity of Hillary who said in the last week that she would abide by the decision of the DNC rules committee. I almost throw the remote at the TV when the self-righteous Harold Ickes announced the right to reserve the challenge.
donna4hillary:
I Absolutely cannot believe that you just stated that Obama
"refused his mothers race and decided to be black"
This is laughable, have you ever read a book lady?
Apparently Hillary Clinton wants the legacy of spoiling a Democratic victor in November
hillary supportors need to understand you can't campigne without rules. Rules are not meant to be broken and if they are broken the parties deserve to be punished.
The Hillary supporters are not democratic. They easily forget the main issues affecting this country!! High gas prices, recession, Iraq, rising unemployment, healthcare. They would be careless to vote for another Bush term. Everything that Hillary and Obama are fighting for will go out the window.
The more I see of of the vindictiveness, the shouting of Clinton supporters, the more resonable Rev. pfleger seems. Their attitude of 'I'm not going to get what I want so I'm going to have a tantrum and vote McCain' proves Pfleger right, despite him being completely over the top.
VOTE TO END VOTER FRAUD IN FLORIDA--
SORRY, YOUR VOTE WON'T COUNT.
If following the rules is so upsetting for the HRC campaign, I think the the rules panel should meet to impose the origional penalty for MI. It's four delegates that will mean absloutly nothing after Wed.
I think that Hillary was more than lucky to get any delegates or votes in Florida and Michigan. Does this mean that we the public doesn't have to follow the laws laid down for us. This is outrageous. I can hardly believe this has been done. It sends a terrible message to the group of young voters out there. What an example.
Clinton you must continue to fight. You are the better candidates
I support Obama....he will negotiate with Iran and hopefully Iran will continue its peaceful development.......he will also support hamas cause of fight......so again good.........world peace