June 17, 2008
Posted: June 17th, 2008 01:52 PM ET

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(CNN) – McCain foreign policy advisors hit Barack Obama for remarks he made Monday about putting terrorists on trial, saying in a Tuesday conference call that the Illinois senator is “the perfect manifestation of the September 10 mindset.”

A short while later, the Obama camp responded with a conference call of their own, on which Sen. John Kerry shot back, “If you want to talk about going backwards and adopting a policy that is retro, I think John McCain has articulated it about as clearly as it could be.”

In an interview with ABC News’s Jake Tapper that aired Monday night, Obama said, “Let's take the example of Guantanamo. What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks – for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial.”

“The fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment…” he added.

McCain senior advisor Randy Scheunemann called Obama’s arguments “a policy of delusion.”

“These [terrorists] aren’t just your run of the mill drug dealers that are picked up on the South Side of Chicago,” said Scheunemann, referencing Obama’s Chicago roots.

Obama advisor Richard Clarke defended the Obama’s call for trials as part of a larger comprehensive strategy. Kerry blasted McCain and his campaign for using a “Karl Rove strategy” and “fraudulent fear tactic.”

Asked if Habaes Corpus rights would extend to Osama Bin Laden if captured and sent to Guantanamo, Kerry answered that the Supreme Court has ruled that everyone at Guantanamo has the right to be tried, regardless of who’s president.

“One of the tools in our arsenal with respect to America’s credibility in the world and our ability to fight a war on terror is to maintain the high moral ground with respect to that war,” said Kerry. “One of the ways you do that is to try people and try them publicly and prove that your justice system and your constitution and democracy actually work. You can’t sell democracy around the world and short change it at home. “

Filed under: Barack Obama • John McCain


proud former republican for obama-[obamacan]   June 17th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

i am ashamed of my former party.....we have become a police state for the entire world.i think my party should dissolve itself,before the entire party is tried for war crimes.i registered independent ,today,and will vote for change this year.

William, from Cali!   June 17th, 2008 6:56 pm ET

If you are guilty of "trying to or killing" Americans........................You, don't deserve a trial, really............End of Subject! YOU"RE GUILTY!!!

Mikey   June 17th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

oil rules wrote:
June 17th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

"We all know Kerry served in Vietnam and Obama knows nothing. To give enemy combatants overseas access to our courts and lawyers is ludicrous."
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Many of the people at Guantanamo ARE U.S. citizens. As fars at the enemy combatants go, we must follow established international law. If we torture or otherwise mistreat those under our control, what do you think happens to our soldiers held by others. If you say that the insurgents will not treat our prisoners well no matter what, you are right. However, this has implications beyond this one engagement. Setting conditions where torture is accepted, puts our own soldiers at risk. So much for supporting the troops, huh?

Even beyond that, if we are to win the battle for "hearts and minds", which in the end, IS the real war, we must conduct ourselves in a manner that allows us to do so. Perhaps that is a little too complicated a concept? It certainly was for the idiots running the Iraq war from the White House.

Oh, and how dumb is the McCain campaign? Obama grew up in Honolulu, not the South Side of Chicago. He didn't show up in Chicago until after college (law school??). Do they even know who they are running against?

Agnostic Democrat   June 17th, 2008 6:54 pm ET

That's just fine, John McCain. I'm sure you'll give a diffferent answer tomorrow and then deny you even said anything of the kind. Just the usual flip-flop fossil routine. Kind of like your position on torture that has changed twice now. Let's waterboard you to see if you change your mind again.

martin,arkansaw   June 17th, 2008 6:52 pm ET

string em up and throw rocks at em,til they renounce islam.that's the america, after bush,way!no matter if some may be innocent,get rid of em all,let god sort em out!we don't need a geneva convention,a constitution ,habeus corpus ,or any other laws of civility.we sound more like al-qaeda everyday.

martin,arkansaw   June 17th, 2008 6:41 pm ET

mccain wants to burn them at the stake is what i heard.no trials,no cameras,just torture them till they quit struggling ,then tie 'em to a pole and light it.whatever happened to habeus corpus?when will they begin using these same tactics against innocent americans?mccain will tear our constitution to pieces,after bush dragged it thru the mud.

pam Eugene OR   June 17th, 2008 6:39 pm ET

Fellow Democrats PLEASE stop the bashing and hating. I am just sick from reading the posts today. We have become so hateful and mean. Any person how gives of themselves what is required to serve as our nations leader deserves our respect.
THIS IS OUT OF HAND! Grow up and stop the hating! You sound like a grade school playground. All sides are guilty and it needs to end.
Great...whoever you support, celebrate your candidate. It is so small minded to think that by trashing another you can build yourself up. PLEASE make this posts fun to read again.
Stick to the issues as there are really important ones right now.

Terrorists just need a hug and maybe a self-esteem pep-talk.   June 17th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

Yeah, terrorists have feelings too!

They shouldn't be tortured with three square meals a day, air conditioning, clean clothes, a Koran and a prayer rug, just because they are hell bent on nail-bombing innocent women and babies in pizza parlors, and sawing the cabesas off the infidel dogs.

tblno   June 17th, 2008 6:36 pm ET

Are we really that stupid to compare Iraq to Japan, and Germany....we treat those ppl like less then dogs....reasearch how MILLIONS of iraqis want us gone....the longer we are there the more they will hate us, and those ppl are never gonna stop driving their tnt loaded cars into our troops....get real. THIS IS NOT A CONVENTINAL WAR!!!!!!!!!!! There IS NO GOVERMENT that can TELL them to SURRENDER......GOD americans are so stupid.......4000+ paying for our stupidity.

jim in DC   June 17th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

you people are scary. Give the terrorists a trial by peers. Who are their peers? other terrorists. Who is going to voluntarily give up information that would incriminate them? And as for sending them back to their countries, wow.

martin,arkansaw   June 17th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

after the bush administration,american prisoners of war, from now on,can count on being tortured and held for years,from america's present and future enemies.perhaps we could save ourselves from this terrible mistake,by charging and prosecuting, bush and anyone down the line who had anything to do with this policy,with war crimes abuses.

steven   June 17th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

What About All The Other Grotesque Murders that Take Place Around The World.

When These People Are Caught, Don't We give them A fair Trail?

Murder is Murder

Antonio   June 17th, 2008 6:27 pm ET

From Clinton/McCain
"This democrat will admit that Obama's policy IS a policy of delusion. Go McCain"

And only a few weeks ago, Hillary made a comment about "obliterate Iran" – in other words, she is just as a war-monger in a sense like McCain. If you feel so much in line with McCain's policy and to stay in Iraq longer, please join the military and give your undivided support and go fight over there.

martin,arkansaw   June 17th, 2008 6:24 pm ET

obama knows the constitution.mccain knows about torture and indefinite incarceration.we've survived a long time with our constitution,so i'll vote for the person most knowledgeable about that.

steven   June 17th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

No Matter How Hideous The Crime, America has Always Given Criminals There Day In Court!

That's America

steven   June 17th, 2008 6:14 pm ET

How UnAmerican Not To Give Them A Fair Trail!

Ready for Change   June 17th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

McCain forgot about demcracy, equal protection under the law. And you wonder why BUSH was BOO'd in Europe. That's why. We can't even hold up our most dearest belief in democracy and you expect other countries to adopt it? McCain and Bush and like twins in that respect.

Cory in Little Rock   June 17th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

What did the NATION of England call the PATRIOTS of the colonies?...

TERRORISTS!

People blow up in wars... That's why they are not good. In the "Good Ol' Days", people only faught wars when someone invaded their home.

I don't live in IRAQ.... Do You?

Cory in Little Rock   June 17th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

2012...

Com'on Man!... Are you really going to compare Osama and the rest of the kamakazies with the Nazis?....

These guys are fighting out of caves for God's sake!.. Wearing sandals and shooting Soviet era munitions!

Germans were 'state of the art' during ww2. rockets and everything....

For most of these "martyrs",.. you feed their famalies... they'll be on your side.

Sgt C USMC   June 17th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

To reply to the comment about "are soldiers now supposed to gather evidence while being shot at.." the answer is, if we see military intelligence or evidence, we are obligated to collect it if at all possible. Yes, even if we are being shot at. That has never changed in the history of war and mankind.

To those of you who declare me a "war-mongerer" , murderer, and whatever else you may, I applaud you for exercising the rights that I put on my uniform everyday to protect for you. I consciencely and willingly made this choice. But that cross is mine, not yours to bear. And I do it with great humility.

Cory in Little Rock   June 17th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

Uh... Dude? So we lock up all the "terrorists" in a base in CUBA FOR YEARS?.. and expect to get anything out of them?

How would they know where anything is or who's alive or what the plans are?... THEY'VE BEEN IN AN AMERICAN GULAG FOR YEARS!!!!

What are we going to do? Lock up the whole middle east?

Put them on Trial... Convict them if they did anything illegal... Put them in the system and follow them once they get out and collect information.

Isn't this what we do to AMERICAN convicts?

MM   June 17th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

McCain's stance is just downright scarey. It should be an open system of trying these people. We want any of our troops treated the same way instead of just locked away. Plus, we need an open system so that the world and Americans can see what is going on. I believe in transparency but obviously McCain doesn't.

Sgt C USMC   June 17th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

As a US Marine who's been in the theater multiple times in both combat and mission support roles, I feel obligated to remind all on here that the US has a long standing reputation of treating our captives better than they have treated us. The Geneva convention ensures that, as do the Rules of Engagement, and the Laws of War. This is nothing new. And we are largely the only country to adhere to them.

In fact, it was this reputation that encouraged many of the Iraqi military to willingly surrender to coalition troups during Operation Desert Storm, and again during OIF 1. (I personally watched a platoon of Iraqi military walk up to the our FOB and lay down their weapons BEFORE military operations even commenced. )

By not allowing these 'detainees' (am I the only one to noticed that since 2000, we have a long list of buzzwords we never used before?) at the very least a Military tribunal, the United States is effectively undermining these long standing policies. Habeus Corpus is one of the most time-honored standards of our Constitution.

In actuality, I would see it near-impossible that the prisoners in question could receive a fair trial in the US. Too much bias, too much anger. Yes, I have been shot at by insurgents, been pelted with rocks by their children, and nearly killed by suicide bombers, but those people are in Iraq, not the US. They are not the same. One person's ideology does not equal all. They are not all the same.

jodi   June 17th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Dan, it's quite obvious you know nothing about the US legal system, let alone the Constitution. Your ignorant statements only breed more ignorance. Please stop talking.

Sebastian   June 17th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

GWOT ... Global War on Terror ... This term is a joke.

Most everytime I hear someone say it, and I've hear a lot of Army officers say it, it sounds forced or contrived.

I' work in the defense industry, but my conscience won't let me throw logic out the window.

ETEE   June 17th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

McCain is absolutely correct. Despite being "Stateless" for their own political purposes, bin Laden and his work-a-likes are Enemy Combatants and should be tried by a Military Tribunal, not by a civilian court.

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT   June 17th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS LIVING BY THE CONSTATUTION OF THE USA. OBAMA DOES DO THAT SO HE IS RIGHT

MD   June 17th, 2008 5:41 pm ET

People in the south side of Chicago should participate in the biggest PEACEFUL demostration since the days of MLK against the comment about "drug dealers in south side of Chicago" to show the morons that run McCane's campaign that the people of south side of Chicago are BETTER than them.

This elitist comment is typical of how Republicans see the "ordinary" people in this country.

Annette   June 17th, 2008 5:34 pm ET

Uh.....the surge is not working...just today 51 reportedly killed in Iraq. Who's zooming, who?

MD   June 17th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

Kerry is WRONG. The court did NOT say the prisoners at Gitmo have the right to be tried in federal courts. The court ruled that they have the right to REQUEST a hearing.

It is still up to the federal courts to agree to hear their case(s) or not.

M.S. Indiana   June 17th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

McCain kinda reminds me of the people we are trying to get rid of...
Only in police/military states do you take people to prison and never put them in front of a judge....

Matt, dearest, you really think Bush or McCain is making us safer ??
Iraq was on our side, no matter what Saddam was barking...

Sherri   June 17th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

The America I love believes in "Justice for All." What harm does it do to bring people to trial? It would actually sort out the terrorists from the non-terrorists and show the world that we really do believe in the our Constitution and rule of law. It would restore a sense of fairness to to whole situation and it would set an example of taking the high road.

The politics of fear have gripped all of us for too long. If we allow fear to rule us we will indeed never be free. A vote for John McCain is a vote for the policies and fear that have put us into this mess. I solidly support Senator Obama.

Kim   June 17th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

McBush is in lock step with Bush who is wrong about everything he has done. The Iraq war was a foolish mistake and grossly mismanaged by the politicians. No doubt many of our young heroes died needlessly. Guantanamo is another sick joke played on the American people. Bush has had to release hundreds of the detainees bacause there is nothing else to do with them. They should have been imprisoned in their home counties at their expense. McBush wants to continue this war for years even though the brilliant and talented Genereral Petraeus has twice told Congress that there is no military solution to the Iraq situation.

MD   June 17th, 2008 5:30 pm ET

Here is where McCane's pathology of being a POW shows.

Until now, I thought Bush was the worst, but man, was I wrong!

MCCane belongs in a high security mental institution.

Hillary Clinton   June 17th, 2008 5:26 pm ET

Hello, it's me, Hillary. I would like to thank all the people who supported me throughout the campaign, but it's over now.

All you nutjobs still 'supporting' me by voting for McCain have lost your minds. You really need to get some professional help – I'm not the answer to all your problems – I'm just a politician.

Go out and form an identity of your own and try to solve your own problems for once.

In the meantime though, keep sending those checks! I need to get my debt paid down. If you have children willing to sell their own toys to keep me rich – that's fine too.

Girl from Louisiana   June 17th, 2008 5:23 pm ET

I meant NOT all the people that the administration rounds up are terrorists. They just think they MIGHT be which justifies in Bush's mind that they can hold you for years. Who cares up them? They aren't americans so they aren't human (that'st the administration's thinking

Girl from Louisiana   June 17th, 2008 5:21 pm ET

What people don't realize is that all the people the administration rounds up are terrorists. The adminstartion has let go atleast 200 detainees so far. These folks were held for years without a charges or a trial l then "pop" the administration lets them go....now tell me...if you were put in american prison for years with no charges and no trials....then one day they say "oops, we are sorry..your not a terrorist." When you let them go..what side do you think they are routing for? If they don't like Americans before, they definately don't like them now..

Larry Buchas   June 17th, 2008 5:18 pm ET

The problems with McCain's argument are many of those imprisoned are not terrorists.

It's the same as their reasons for going to war. They put normal Iraqis in the same category as terrorists before destroying their lives.

Ridgeway   June 17th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

Terrorists are not humans. Interesting the concern for terrorists. I would bet the same people in Greeley would argue for legalized abortion. Chances are if someone from Greeley were kidnapped by an Islamic terrorist they'd be hollering some nonsense like " I'm a human, I'm human!" just as they were being executed by their captors.

Hillary Supporter   June 17th, 2008 5:08 pm ET

For all these years Guantanamo is funded with our tax money. It is high time to close the barbaric lodge if no real trial is envisioned for inmates. Note that McCain was an enemy combattant and under your rethuglican reasoning he should have summarily been executed. Do all of you war mongers know what will happen to our men and women in similar circumstances given the fact that McCain is planning to be in Iraq for 100 years and God Knows where else?

58 old white ladies for OBAMA   June 17th, 2008 5:05 pm ET

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION & ALL ITS SUPPORTERS

HAVE MADE US THE COUNTRY WE DID NOT WANT

TO BECOME. MCWORTHLESS WANTS TO LEAD US

FURTHER INTO THE HALL OF SHAME. OUR TREATMENT

OF OTHERS IS GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO TREAT

OUR TROOPS THE SAME WAY, IF CAPTURED.

THAT IS DEPLORABLE BOTH WAYS.

Matt, Manchester, CT   June 17th, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Obama's naivete really shows when he compares the nature and response to two totally different methods of attack from 1993 to 2001. To say that should have been able to just arrest and put on trial the 9/11 hijackers and their cohorts as simply as it was in 1993 is a horrible comparison on his part. This guy has a huge gap in judgement.

2012   June 17th, 2008 5:03 pm ET

"Broad street buddy June 17th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

Hey rick! the Nazis did have trials you idiot!! They were called the Nuremburg Trials where all of Hitler's top surviving advisors, aids, and generals were tried!! It was set a Nuremburg because that is the place where Hitler made may announcements about how jews should be treated and how they should be dealt with. Read your history RICK!!!!!"
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Those trials were, in fact, Military Tribunals........the same kind of trials for which McCain has repeatedly argued. NO US Constitutional rights afforded! Read YOUR history, BUDDY!!!!

You're welcome, Rick.....lol!

Mimi De La Cruz for OBAMA   June 17th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

FURTHER PROOF THAT THE MCBUSH LOVE FOR THE

TROOPS IS JUST A PHONY AS HIS HONESTY.

HERE IS HOW THIS WORKS, SIMPLE MATH.

WHATEVER WE DO TO THE TROOPS OF OTHER COUNTRIES,

WE ARE WILLING ON OUR TROOPS, WHEN CAPTURED.

McBush   June 17th, 2008 4:56 pm ET

mccians plans are really bad for this country!!!!!!!!!!!! Mccain go home buddy we dont need you!!!

Ernest Caldwell   June 17th, 2008 4:55 pm ET

To Cher...he did he voted againest the war in Iraq....one of his reasons for his vote was it would take away from the real fight in Afghanistan. this is on public record

Mary   June 17th, 2008 4:54 pm ET

There was a story that a man was deported from Canada because they thought he was involved someway…………..He was then tortured in his own country. He was able to go back to Canada and defend himself. Guess what? He was not a terrorist.

Why not try these people. Everyone has a right to a trial. It’s the humane thing to do.

McCain’s view is similar to what you would hear coming from one of those “bad” countries that have no human right laws.

Mike, Syracuse, NY   June 17th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

I think we should lock each terrorist in a room for one hour with the relatives of 9/11 victims. Whatever happens, happens.

Margaret Anderson   June 17th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

John McCain scares me more each day. We cannot afford to have more of this scare-tactics style politics. I realize that people are herded in the wanted direction more easily if scared. We need to stand up and say, Not This Time. It is time we had a leader who thinks with his head instead of fear mongering. Senator Obama is the most down to earth person who has run for President in a long time. Help change politics to politics of reason instead of fear.

Margaret Anderson
Boise, Idaho

GARY   June 17th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

mike calling mccain a loser what a pathetic excuse for a human being you are go climb under the rock wear you should be its guys like mccain that make you a free man, some of you people are pathetic

Ian   June 17th, 2008 4:44 pm ET

I don't remember anyone complaining when the families of 9-11 victims sued the terrorists. Afterall, they shouldn't be involved in our courts, right?

Marlie:   June 17th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

All terrorists should be tried. My gracious, even the Nazis were tried. Their punishment suited the crimes they did. Read the Nuremburg trials.

Frank from Kansas City   June 17th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

The McCain Camp should be ashamed of themselves. Kerry is absolutely right. Imprisoning someone without evidence for years on end and torturing them to get a "confession" during that time betrays what is enshrined in our Constitution.

If we are holding someone prisoner in one of OUR bases and the Supreme Court, stacked with right wing appointees, says that these people are afforded the right to a fair trial by jury and given the right of legal representation, where's the arguement for McCain?

I would like to hear McCain's response to the question: When you were held captive during Vietnam, do you wish you would have had representation and a trial?

Bottom line, the McCain Camp and the Republicans are going to try any and everything to keep the White House. Even if that includes, and obviously it is, running our Constitution thru the paper shredder.

Bradley Schaubs, Greeley, CO   June 17th, 2008 4:36 pm ET

All you "Clinton supporters voting for McCain" and "Lifelong Democrats for McCain" can do just that. We all know your true color now – red, same as Republicans, blood, and communism.

As far as your hateful comments go, either shut up or shut down.

Chris   June 17th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

Hey Arack,

I get your concerns about the justice system.

Don't you think though that taxpayers aren't already paying to house them indefinitely? Don't you realize that military lawyers are defending them currently and they are paid by our government? Your argunment makes no sense.

There probably is one thing we could agree on...wouldn't it be nice for Khalid, and Ramzi and the others to get a dose of American prison hospitality?

Mich   June 17th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

Mr Kerry is one of those lost defeated guys who voted for Iraq war.

He also has serious judgemental problems, but Obama likes this old barking baby.

So, why does Mr Obama show sympathy to these terrorists and killers ?

Bradley Schaubs, Greeley, CO   June 17th, 2008 4:34 pm ET

Why, John, do you discourage justice? Are the terrorists not humans as well? Do not all men face the same judgment before the eyes of the almighty?

smart teenage politics fanatic   June 17th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

guantanemo bay goes completely against the principles of the geneva convention! everyone deserves a free trial! john mccain does not understand the economy, (most important issue) he wants to keep your sons,brothers and fathers in iraQ without giving them an education afterward , and he supports tax cuts to the rich and wealthy just like bush- with all due respect , anyone who supports mccain is just plain stupid!

Bradley Schaubs, Greeley, CO   June 17th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

John McCain is wrong for the nation. Sure, Obama seems green and noobish, but he'll do way better than McCain, and I'm not just talking in terms of this election!

Bradley Schaubs, Greeley, CO   June 17th, 2008 4:32 pm ET

Typical Repug tactic of fear. It won't work anymore, John!

Kenneth   June 17th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

we can not just keep people in jail forever without being charged with somrthing anything I thought the cold war mind set was over.

Tee   June 17th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

MATT

MCCAIN DOES? JUST BECAUSE YOUR PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN AND YOU WERWE A POW.

DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ON FOREIGN POLICY.
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not fooled by distractions.   June 17th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

I think mccain needs to take a break and read the constitution. Although, he is a C- student – #894 out of 899 – those big words would probably really mess him up.

I'd expect more from someone that was actually a pow. Shame on you mccain, you have lost all your convictions and have no honor. You're just a tool for the gop.

dan   June 17th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

Foreign nationals are not citizens. They don't deserve the bill of rights or any of the other freedoms citiznes are entitled to.

They want to play by their own rules. Lets apply those rules they use against them.

You think this nation would be here right now if we didn't fight to win the revolutionary war? No holds barred? We would still be under England's rule. Guess what, our founding fathers fought to win. You people should learn that strategy. Otherwise we will be nothing but a 3rd world nation. But I think you left leaning weenies want that... This nation to be at the beck and call of every other socialist nation.

Your idiots to think otherwise.

MIKE   June 17th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

This issue is one of the best to show that McCain is not worthy of being president.
He fully backs Bush on everything concerning Iraq and Iran.
Obama doesn't.
Even the right wing US Supreme Court is deciding in every ruling it has given that Bush/McCain are wrong and what they are doing is unconstitutional – to you idiot McCain followers that means against the law. They have even decides to hear and rule on the case of people Bush/cheney/Rumsfeld etc. held, tortured and then released.
the vast majority of those held in Gitmo have never been charged or tried. These people have been held for up to 6 years. theydeserve to be charged and tried or released if there is nothing to charge them with.
If they are tried and convicted – then execute them or imprison them
If there is no evidence against them – let them go.

Sharon in Oklahoma   June 17th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

We have been living with fear as our main diet. It is time to speak the truth and follow our constitution. Everyone who signs as Clinton/McCain is being very disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton.and is living in a dream world if they think that Senator Clinton would even think once about supporting McCain. She ran a tough race but she is a true representive of the democratic party and the American people. I don't think she would appreiciate the people that are trying to connect her to McCain and the republicans. If your really on her side quit disrespecting her.

Cher   June 17th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

Why didnt Obama do anything about Afganastain?

Cher   June 17th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

Obama is a joke

FQR   June 17th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

I pray God’s wisdom for Barack Obama and John McCain. May God’s perfect will be established in this elections!

God bless America!

Puzzled   June 17th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

Ah, John Kerry, a model of clarity. I voted for the $83,000,000,000 just after.....

Moe   June 17th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

pretty scary stuff...

In his world the concept of innocent until proven guilty doesn't exsist. In his world you are guilty if he thinks you are guilty. End of story.

Will in Richmond, VA   June 17th, 2008 4:19 pm ET

Laws work for everyone or else they mean nothing.

If we believe a fair trial is a HUMAN right rather than an AMERICAN right, then we must extend this to everyone.

oh my god   June 17th, 2008 4:18 pm ET

it's the constitution... geneva conventions, human rights... whatever you call it. they have to be tried fairly before benig convicted. the US is not Zimbabwe.

Jay   June 17th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

For the second time in a single day, McCain has offered a proposal that makes anyone with an iota of common sense scratch their head in wonder. THIS IS NOT FREAKING IRAN, OR CHINA. So don't expect to run this country like either of those.

Damone, Alabama   June 17th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

Has anyone ever watched the movie, "Catch A Fire"? A South African was accused of being terrorist, wrongfully detained and tortured. He was released only to become a real terrorist and lash out against the government that wronged him. This is the exact same thing that's happening. Bush is wrongfully holding and torturing prisoners in Gitmo only for them to be released and use that anger of being imprisoned against the US. And US soliders my age are paying the price for it.

McBush is not defusing the situation, they are only throwing dynamite sticks into the fire. It doesn't take a guy with "experience" to know this.

Broad street buddy   June 17th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

Hey rick! the Nazis did have trials you idiot!! They were called the Nuremburg Trials where all of Hitler's top surviving advisors, aids, and generals were tried!! It was set a Nuremburg because that is the place where Hitler made may announcements about how jews should be treated and how they should be dealt with. Read your history RICK!!!!!

BTHogan   June 17th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

"Obama needs to keep his yap shut.

He knows nothing about foreign policy or protecting this country."

In the article you're "commenting" on, Obama cited a concrete instance of a successful application of his recommended policy (we put 'em on trial, they're in prison now). A spokesperson for McCain responded with rhetoric.

Hey, but thanks for stopping by!

Phil, FL   June 17th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

McShame's wife wasn't locked up for 6 years (should have been – but the senator got her off with a fine instead of federal prison).

Guess money gets you out of jail – HA.

Jesse   June 17th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

McCain and Bush both apparently believe that in this new post 9/11 era the constitution of the United States of America is OBSOLETE.

Do we really believe that the founding fathers never imagined we would face dangerous times such as now? The USA had to fight a wara to struggle for it's very birth! Survival was never guaranteed!

The constitution IS the US. It is worth struggling for. Trample on it and we have already lost.

mike   June 17th, 2008 4:14 pm ET

McCain has a 1910 mindset!
Scare tactics from a scary old man.
You would expect more from a vet who has been through torture and had his human rights severely violated. It seems though that he needs to tow the neocon line and this is how he does it. By selling out his principles. This is a common theme with John McCain. Those maverick days are over.

NoMcSame   June 17th, 2008 4:14 pm ET

We could do them in by having them listen to round the clock McSame speeches.

WE NEED THE TRUTH   June 17th, 2008 4:14 pm ET

One thing about Senator Obama that I think alot of people forget is that he's a Lawyer who without questions believes in and has taught the Constitution of the United States. In our constitution, which is the very fabric of our judicial system, it sets the table for all to have the right of a trial (there are exceptions), but just being labled a terrorist and then being tossed in Gitmo until Lord knows when is against the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!

Joe Bloggs, Haiku, HI   June 17th, 2008 4:13 pm ET

How ironic! I grew up in apartheid South Africa, and we had a Suppression of Communism Act, whereby the government was able to lock up anyone 'suspected' of Communism and hold them INDEFINITELY w/o trial. I remember America as being one of the greatest anti-Apartheid voices. Now – nearly 40 years later – America is allowed to lock up people indefinitely simply bc. they are SUSPECTED of being terrorists. It's very scarey – esp as many of these Guantanamo prisoners were handed over by unscrupulous local 'bounty hunters' who recd a monetary exchange for turning them in. To deny these folks the right to a fair trial defies human morality.
If we are certain they are all terrorists, then why can't we provide evidence in a trial? This is the exact antithesis to the America I immigrated to – the land of the free with liberty and justice for ALL!

S.B. Stein E.B. NJ   June 17th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

I thought that we were a country of laws. If we are, then we need to do the trials. If we are going down to their level and just kill people, let us be clear about that. I'd prefer to be in the country that sticks to its laws and values rather than senseless hatred and violence.

John Q   June 17th, 2008 4:08 pm ET

bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran-

yeah, real funny grumpy

Alice   June 17th, 2008 4:07 pm ET

If you're worried that Bin Laden would be entitled to a trial if sent to GTMO (which might not be a bad thing), just don't send him to GTMO.

Simple!

PG   June 17th, 2008 4:07 pm ET

All those who think McCain is right on this issue should leave their homes and spend a month at Guantanamo. Then they can return and share their experience and convince those of us who think McCain-Bush are wrong to choose their position.

How does that sound?

Christie Nobles   June 17th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

The prisoners at Gitmo were captured in the battlefield. They should have been executed on the spot, but the military chose to give them military due process and let them defend themselves. As usual, BO does not know what he is talking about.

Ula Nejad- Sacramento Ca   June 17th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Obama's remarks on republicans " if they bring a knife to fight, we will bring a gun", is very troubling. His recent speeches are really becoming disoriented or is it really about his rigid mindset which he has flaunted sophisticatedly and easily throughtout his campaigns?

Robert in Toronto,ON   June 17th, 2008 3:59 pm ET

Every country has some form of trial and judgement. I really don't understand what McCain and the Republicans are arguing here for. Do they want to NOT give potential terrorists the right to trial? It's not an American right to that nerd above, it's a right by ALL POTENTIAL GUILTY PEOPLE.

I mean, how would you like it if someone accused you of stealing. In McCain's theory a company could fire you, and you should be sent directly to jail. That's just bird-brain logic if that's what he's suggesting.

And trying to disguise it as "inexperience" is another lame political ploy.

RV - Arizona   June 17th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

You Hillary supporters, you know she is finished right?

She's out of the running, lets move on!

Hillary Supporter   June 17th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

"the Supreme Court has ruled that everyone at Guantanamo has the right to be tried, regardless of who’s president."

Thank you John Kerry. America is a land of laws and the past 8 years has been a joke on our constitution. Not anymore McSame

Billy Pilgrim   June 17th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

Bitter in New Orleans,

If we're at war, then we need to abide by the Geneva Conventions when dealing with prisoners. If not, they have to be afforded the same rights as Americans to see the evidence against them and face their accusers. Otherwise, we lose who we are as Americans and the terrorists have won.

mike   June 17th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

McCain was an enemy combattant in Vietnam. According to his version of law, they should have executed him after a summary trial. What a loser.

aware   June 17th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

Obama uses his gutter politics on other candidates or anyone who gets in his way – not the poor terrorists! :(

2012   June 17th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

"Loretta from California June 17th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

Why don't we just send them back to their individual home country, and allow them to be prosecuted on their own soil, and by their own people."

Ummmm.....pay attention, Loretta.....where possible, talks with their home countries have been going on for years. No one WANTS the scum back!

4 THE CONSTITUTION   June 17th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

If we shed the constitution it will cime back to bite us. The same right to trial and knowledge of why we have been arrested can be taken away fron ALL of us. The law would give the President the right to detain anyone (that includes you) if it was felt the may be a danger to the country. That does not mean they are. Our phone calls,internet communications, even library history has been collected. What country do we want to live in? What are we fighting for if the country is no longer upheld by the constitution that defines it? These scare tactices are what they will use to trick us into the road to dictatorship.

Michael, Lorain Ohio   June 17th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

By labeling them "enemy combatants" instead of the proper label of "POW," this administration has been allowed to subvert the law and justice for the crimes which those being held, stand accused. What good is taking an oath of office if you don't follow the rules of which you are supposed to abide??

Marc PDX   June 17th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

QUESTION: if the shoe were on the other foot how would Americans who were captured by terrorists be treated?

Watch the Nicholas Berg beheading video for the answer.

The terrorists at Guantanamo haven't been mistreated. The Americans who have been captured, tortured and exectuted have.

NObama N'08

RV - Arizona   June 17th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

I think McCain the "Crip Keeper" is the one that is dilusional! If they're not going give them a trial, then what is going to be done with them? Are they just going to stay there until they die?

Jaime   June 17th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Terrorist use computers for their activities.

McCain is computer illiterate.

carlo   June 17th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

If an American citizen was accused of being a terrorist and detained indefinitely, there would be an uproar heard around the world. How can we, in "the land of the free", in the beacon of hope for the rest of the world, even remotely think that McCain's thinking is reasonable?

Even worse, how can ANY Democrat vote for this imbecile?

Enlightened Voter   June 17th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

I'm sorry john mcwar but what if when your wife was arrested in the 90's for stealing those illegal drugs from the non profit agency and they determined that she was already guilty without the benefit of a trial?

Dan , TX   June 17th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

I am glad that McCain is able to admit that Al Gore was right all along and that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and other right wing nuts were wrong about global warming. The right and republicans in general owe democrats and Al Gore a big apology and should admit they stuck their heads in the sand instead of leading.

McCain is a new brand of republican that is willing to tell the old guard they are wrong and that global warming is important. We need alternative energy sources. We've got to stop relying on burning fossil fuels and drilling for new oil is not a long term solution.

S. Boat Warrensburg Mo.   June 17th, 2008 3:48 pm ET

Its Possible That Not Everyone In That Prison Is Guilty Mccain! Charge Them With A Crime And Give Them A Court Date! If They Are Found To Be Guilty Then Sentence Them! You Are Just Creating More Terrorist By Holding Them Indefinately!

charles   June 17th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

arack you are a toothless fool

Building bomb shelter   June 17th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Am I to understand that Obama is now a patriot and McCain a traitor?
Yep, it's the end of the world as we know it.

McCain 08   June 17th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

we dont need Hillary or her screaming women to win this election.

McCain 08

Man tired of seeing Obama supporters posing as republicans and women for Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

June 17th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

Hello, it's me, Hillary. I would like to thank all the people who supported me throughout the campaign, but it's over now.

All you nutjobs still 'supporting' me by voting for McCain have lost your minds. You really need to get some professional help – I'm not the answer to all your problems – I'm just a politician.

Go out and form an identity of your own and try to solve your own problems for once.

No way Hillary. Obama is an idiot.

Bob Indianapolis, IN   June 17th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

The Torture President and his evil minions, Darth Cheney, Rummy, Addington, Yoo, Ashcroft and Vato Gonzo showed the world how NOT to try terrorists. Ignoring the rule of law, the Geneva Conventions and the Unifrom Code of Military Justice put this country on the low road. Let's do it the right way this time! Go Obama! We can reach the higher ground!

Allen In North Carolina   June 17th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

Taken from a simi qoute from the great CLINT EASTWOOD...... A guy like McCain needs to shut his face...... :)

skunkrat The Marine   June 17th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

This is a very DANGEROUS OLD MAN. Please America don't let him win. He changes his mind on one or more issues every day.

phrogg1   June 17th, 2008 3:41 pm ET

Q. What goes flipMCflop, flipMCflop, flipMCflop?

A. McCain's 'Straight Talk' express.

CLINTON 08 VP   June 17th, 2008 3:40 pm ET

UNITED WE ARE STRONGER:

OBAMA (P) & CLINTON (VP)

Uncle Sam   June 17th, 2008 3:40 pm ET

Reasons to vote for Barack Obama: President Bush, Bush administration, Republican party, Iraq War, high gas and food prices.

Reasons to vote for John McCain: He is the better candidate.

Americans for McCain '08

Ben - Portland   June 17th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Randy Scheunemann ran the “Committee for the Liberation of Iraq” which basically just kept trying to find ways to legitimize the invasion (Remember the clear connection Saddam had to Al qaeda, and all the WMDs he had stockpiled, etc? Yeah, that’s all information they made sure we knew.) He was also an advisor to Rummy’s decisions on Iraq. Due to the obvious failures of the Iraqi engagement and the bogus information we based the decisions on, I think we can all check Mr. Scheunemann off our list of people to listen to. Right, Mr. McCain?

Carla Davis   June 17th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

would mccain have liked his day in court while held captive in north vietnam. would habeous corpous been of beneift to him then? imagine (pardon me, john): the north vietnamese observed geneva. what would that have been like for mccain?

oh, but wasn't he bombing them when he crashed?

how can one lead, and what difference is it if you are old, if experience does not teach?

Winthorp   June 17th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

If nazis were entitled to a trial, why shouldn't terrorists. Terrorists are responsible for LESS atrocities.

Man tired of seeing Obama supporters posing as republicans and women for Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Hillary or McCain

That's all folks!

mdg   June 17th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Obama advisor Richard Clarke defended the Obama’s call for trials as part of a larger comprehensive strategy.
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That is the National Security Advisor who left the Bush administration after 30 years of public service. He helped shape U.S. policy on terrorism under President Reagan and the first President Bush. He was held over by President Clinton to be his terrorism czar, then held over again by the current President Bush but left in 2003 because he was pressured to find a link between 9-11 and Iraq even though none existed.
Bush wouldn't listen to Clark; Obama will.

Jackie   June 17th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

Senator Kerry, why don't you let Obama speak for himself. Exactly my point.

Rick   June 17th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

If you supported Clinton and now plan to vote for McCain, you must be a racist. There's just no other answer. Clinton and Obama have near identical policies, while McCain has become a run-of-the-mill conservative with ARCHAIC ideas. If he is your answer to Clinton not being the nominee, you simply dislike black people, and that's gross. I dare you to argue otherwise.

Man tired of seeing Obama supporters posing as republicans and women as Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

Hillary or McCain

That's all folks!

CLINTON 08 VP   June 17th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

"Matt" EITHER WAY HE'S THE BEST CHOICE WE GOT, OR WOULD YOU PREFER MCCAIN SENDING ANOTHER 10,000 TROOPS TO GET KILLED FOR ANOTHER 8 YEARS IN IRAQ? I THINK OBAMA NEEDS TO START BETTER KNOWING AND MOST IMPORTANT *UNDERSTANDING* THE SITUATION WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTRY AND TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

Independent for Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

How can we denounce secret tribunals in other countries and then try supposed terrorists using secret military tribunals? Obama understands that to gain credibility you have to practice what you preach, and America hasn't been doing that for a while, which is why most of the world hates us.

Also, the article spells habeas incorrectly.

Swiftboats?   June 17th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

Clinton/McCain? You just disqualified your opinion from even mattering to me.

Roger   June 17th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

I think what will really send the message of change is lifelong democrats voting for John McCain. Now that is Change!

The anti-Obama train is gaining momentum. Obama's supporters are feeding fuel to the fire. But don't stop for us, It's going to be very entertaining in November.

Republican for Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:34 pm ET

I am ashamed at the way our country has treated these people! If they are guilty have a trial and sentence them, if not let them go. We are acting no different then third world countries where you can be kidnapped at night and never heard from again. What about integrity, what about the law? It's a sad day when America says do what we say not what we do to the world. No wonder so many people despise us around the globe. We condemn others and turn around and do the same thing.

Women In California for Obama   June 17th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

Now you will get McPuppet excited. War is ALL he knows and he doesn't know how to win those. Anyway, most of us normal people don't want war and are NOT going to sacrifice our sons and daughters for your sickness.

Proud American   June 17th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

McCain knows alot of nothing. He's been Bush's lap dog for 8 years. I've lost all respect for him. McCain=Bush!

R.I.F.   June 17th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Clinton/McCain June 17th, 2008 2:59 pm ET
"This democrat will admit that Obama's policy IS a policy of delusion. Go McCain!"
_________________________________________

You idiot, Hillary has the same stance as Obama on this issue as does every other democrat on the Hill. Once again proof that these "if not Hillary, then McCain" clowns are really republicans stirring the pot.

Dominique- MD   June 17th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

I don't get McCain. How do you pick and choose who gets to have a trial and who doesn't? When you do things right the first time you don’t have problems like the ones Bush has created.

McCain stances like this are scary to hear. We have a justice system for a reason so maniacs like you don't pick and choose others fates. Yes Bin Laden is guilty so tri him and then put him to death. Unless you and Bush know something the rest of the world shouldn't hear why you are against trying these people?

Wonder what McCain would have to say about Bush being taken captive for invading a country unwarranted and not being tried just sentenced. Bet he would not agree with that.

Hillary Clinton   June 17th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

Hello, it's me, Hillary. I would like to thank all the people who supported me throughout the campaign, but it's over now.

All you nutjobs still 'supporting' me by voting for McCain have lost your minds. You really need to get some professional help – I'm not the answer to all your problems – I'm just a politician.

Go out and form an identity of your own and try to solve your own problems for once.

mayahh   June 17th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

LETS NOT START ANOTHER WAR OVER TERRORIST, LETS CATCH THEM FIRST, WE HAVE A GREAT COURT SYSTEM IN AMERICA, NO MORE WAR MR.MC SHAME I SAW YOU ON CNN, SAYING YOU DID NOT REMEMBER WHAT YOUR GOV FRIEND SAID IN TEXAS ABOUT THE RAPE STATEMENT, THAT IS BIGGER THAN REV, WRIGHT, MANY WOMEN LIVES HERE IN AMERICA AND DON,T EVER WANT TO BE LYING DOWN AND TAKING IT. SHAME ON YOU.

fairandstraight   June 17th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

Mcain will do or say anything to spend his last days on earth sitting in the oval office rather than the nursing home.

If our leaders had the mindset of Sen. Obama, 9/11 might not have happened because he does not believe in bullying other countries around. The republicans are trying to scare up enough support to overtake the democrats this year.

Obama 08

Marc PDX   June 17th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

The difference between the Obama and McCain camps (besides experience of the candidate) is:

John McCain has specific plans that he lays out for inspection and that he strongly believes in.

Obama's camp has sound bites, such as “Karl Rove strategy” and “fraudulent fear tactic.”

Sad!

NObama N'08

Roofin Reality, Houston, Tx.   June 17th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

Anyone remember Richard Padilla? I think he eventually pleaded guilty after years of being locked up with no attorney or other rights.
I'm a law and order guy myself, especially growing up and seeing how crime affected my neighborhood.

But, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 (where I wanted to catch the guys who put that terror plot together and castrate them and then send them on their way toward humiliation), it seemed that anyone and everyone could be considered an enemy combatant whereas that person then had no rights at all.

IT seems as if myny of our liberties have been taken away, and Senator McCain's position APPEARS to add to that legacy from President Bush.

2Set   June 17th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

I can speak from family experience about not given a fair trial. My brother was accused of rap back in 1981. He was found guilty with not even one piece of evidence, NOT ONE! It did go to the NC Supreme Court which overturned the guilty verdict based on no evidence. Murphy's law always exist and there could be a possibility that a detainee may not be guilty. You need evidence to convict someone, or you are supposed to any way. The main point: Everyone is supposed to have a right to a fair trial under the US Constitution. Do we want another president who does not follow the writings of the constitution and the amendments

Brian Knoxville, TN hhhhh !   June 17th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

Am for "real" Change .Repubelican Brian – watch out !
Obama 08-16
Yes.We.Can.

Glenn   June 17th, 2008 3:23 pm ET

McCain is an idiot and an old senile idiot at that. He is a warmonger and someone who doesn't respect America's system of laws and civil rights. He will trample on the American rule of law and rights by pandering to the luntic right wing fringe of the GOP. He is also "Mr. Flip Flop."

oil rules   June 17th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

I guess when soldiers capture prisoners they will have to collect evidence (maybe under fire) to prosecute the enemies at a later date. Answer=take no prisoners........

Jamaal Kansas   June 17th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

Mcshame is worst thing that could ever happen to the United states all he wants is another war and of Course that would mean that the draft would be reinstated Mcsame is Wrong for America

HP Boston   June 17th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

Obama has no idea WHO is in Gitmo, neither do we.
We have been lied to for so long no one has a clue of the truth.
Obama is a babe in war land and is so out of the loop he is beyond taking action or talking points.

Ed   June 17th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

McCain may be perceived by some as having better skill and experience with regard to the best course we might take in Iraq, but this ridiculous effort to maintain the "Gulag" at Guantanamo is simply the Bush mentality at it's worse. The Bush fear strategy is also on full display (using Sept. 10 2001 as Obama's frame of reference). In short, a poor and rather stupid performance by the straight talk express. Keep it up John, you will straight talk your way back to the senate!

Bitter - New Orleans, LA   June 17th, 2008 3:21 pm ET

Why should we afford someone who:

1. doesn't where a uniform
2. doesn't fight for a country
3. doesn't follow geneva conventions
4. doesn't follow any rules of engagement whatsoever
5. beheads, kidnaps, kills innocent bystanders
6. etc...

american rights?

Do you really think that joe bob mohammed in the middle east is now a terrorist because of guantanamo bay and waterboarding? 99% of them don't even know it exists. They're trained from birth to hate us. They want their kids to become suicide bombers.

Now imagine trying to put a terrorist on trial in an american court with american lawyers... 'No your honor, we didn't get his fingerprints. No your honor, we didn't have a warrant to enter the abode."

Most of them don't mind dieing, so do we have to deem them all mentally insane?

This is WAR people, not drug raids in a chicago slum.

JJ   June 17th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

This entire thing scares me. There was an article somewhere that I read that half the people detained should not have been detained in the first place. We had some bad intelligence which caused men to spend up to m6 years in that place for nothing.

What happened to the American law??? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. What justifies locking someone up without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves. Some of these prisoners were attacked and and captured in their own home in front of their families.

Now I do agree some of them should be locked up but again every one has the right for a fair trial if they are brought into the US as a prisoner.

McCain calls Obama postion delusional. Hmmm, I say McCain's position is just as delusional and senial. Goodness!

oil rules   June 17th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

We all know Kerry served in Vietnam and Obama knows nothing. To give enemy combatants overseas access to our courts and lawyers is ludicrous. They are not citizens and they are not entitled to such liberties. They are people that hate you and want to KILL you. Obama needs to distance himslf from Kerry for any kind of credibility on foreign matters as well. I guess we will sue terrorists and let lawyers have a crack at them now – wait, the lawyers want a crack at us and free terrorists. Commom sense people, common sense.

voter   June 17th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

I don't understand the reason the republicans are aganist terrorists standing trial. First, the constitution indicates that everyone (foreigners and americans) are entitiled to due process by standing trial. If evidence has led to the arrest of terrorists, then what is the harm in presenting it in court and allowing the jury to find them guilty. Second, is delusional for the republicans to beleive they can disrespect the constiution by creating their own laws. Third, it is ironic that the republicans are having a debate with Obama about the constitution when he is a constitutional law professor. losing battle.

Cindy   June 17th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

That's right Obama we need to desperatly show the world that we're not barbarians like some fanatics are! If we act in much the same way that they act then we're not better than them!

We've lost our standing in the world and we must show the world that we can be fair and just and those who are guilty will be punished; IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY!

Obama the American Patriot!!!!

Rick   June 17th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

It's a good thing we didn't follow Obama the Clown's policy in World War Two or we would just now be wrapping up the last of the Nazi war trials.

independet OBAMA supporter   June 17th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

I agree everybody should have the right to trial. What if is Mccain will he not have right to make sure he have trial.
come on Mccain and his group this time your scary! type will not work.
So forget about it .
that is why I will never vote for you.
Again you do not have support women's right .
so many things that you do not support women's so just go home because you will never win this
OBAMA 08
God bless OBAMA

Mike from Westchester   June 17th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Anyone, including President Bush and Senator McCain should be really careful about criticizing the Supreme Court's decision. The ability to hold people indefinitely without proving proper cause is extremely dangerous to our democracy. The founding fathers specifically addressed such concerns in the Bill of Rights.

Think about it. Someone grabs you off the street, throws you in jail, and then is not required to give you a proper hearing. It doesn't matter that many of you out there "think" all those people are terrorists. Perhaps it's just that they are generally Middle-Easterners or Muslims, so you don't care. How about the small number of Germans and Italians and the huge number of Japanese that were held during WWII? Was that okay?

Think about this – the second biggest act of terrorism committed on US soil was carried out by white Christians. How big would the outcry be if they held a bunch of white Christians in prisons for 6 years without any proof of cause? If you allow this to happen to others, it can happen to you!

The comments made by Bush, McCain, and Scalia were un-American at their core – yet somehow Barack Obama is not patriotic enough to be President. What a load of bull!

Carol, WI   June 17th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

I would be very happy to have terrorists detained and subject to a trial. It would be much better than them being out on the loose as they are now! The current tactic of destroying Iraq doesn't seem to be working. It is very easy for the terrorists to hide amongst war-ridden lands in the middle east now and we do not have the resources to do a proper, methodical search for the real terrorists.

“One of the ways you do that is to try people and try them publicly and prove that your justice system and your constitution and democracy actually work. You can’t sell democracy around the world and short change it at home. “ John Kerry was absolutely right. We are supposed to be the 'good guys' so why are we afraid to show the world our process can work and prove we are not the 'gansters' people think we are. Everything would be public record and we would have more support for what we are trying to accomplish. Right now our credibility is zero, so no one believes we are acting properly, even if we are right.

Jamaal Kansas   June 17th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Mcshame is a liar and a war monger And he has been stuck in time his whole career with his Old way of doing things this is 2008 Not 1962 wake up Mcsame adopt some polices of the Future or be forced to remain in the past because this Country is trying to move into the furture

The Bush Twins : George and John   June 17th, 2008 3:17 pm ET

Lock them up and throw away the key ! Isn't that basically what we have done to the prisoners in Gitmo ?. Yes, I love paying taxes to keep people in prison and not bring charges against them. How long will Bush keep these people imprisoned ?. If they committed a crime, then charge them for crying out loud. If not you can't just keep them locked up. It's an outrage what Bush has been allowed to get away with.

LYNETTE IN CA   June 17th, 2008 3:17 pm ET

Let's talk about the word "delusion." If anyone is delusional, it's John McSame and those who support him. Make him go away.

Marc PDX   June 17th, 2008 3:16 pm ET

Obama would like to handle terrorists by having an open dialog with them. Sounds good. So does "hope" and "change"... Won't work, but sounds good.

NObama N'08

Nancy McKinney   June 17th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

“These [terrorists] aren’t just your run of the mill drug dealers that are picked up on the South Side of Chicago,” said Scheunemann, referencing Obama’s Chicago roots]

THIS IS SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS

This is the so-called "moral" McCain camp!!

SHAME ON MCCAIN!!!!!

Broad street buddy   June 17th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

There are two sets of rules for people who are imprisoned. If they are caught during a war you have to abide by the Geneva conventions if they are not you have to afford them the rights of our constitution. Bush has decided to treat these people as common criminals. If not Bush would be a war criminal for transporting combatants out of the theater of war and toturing them. They have been treated as people in limbo, not adhearing to any rule of law but Bush's law. The supreme court simply said if you want to hold these people as criminals, let them be afforded any human's rights to a fair trial.

The Ironic part about this, is that if vietnam had adopted a rule of law like this John McCain probably wouldnt have been held as long. He wants to hold these people in captivity just like he was held for five years.

"Arbitrary incarceration, in all ages, has been the most formidable and favorite instrument of tyranny." – Alexander Hamilton

Potter   June 17th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

I wonder who Kerry is trying to convince? He could not convince anybody in the last election, on his own behalf. I wonder if he is a little
vindictive? The scary part about Obama is I am not sure the knowledge is there from him without the lacks of Kerry. We need change not someone from the old congress or the old Whitehouse making decisions for whom ever the President might be.

Listen Up...   June 17th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

So it's a good thing that we have "terrorists" sitting at Gitmo for 6+ years without being formally charged? Just brace yourselves for the rounds of lawsuits over the next few years once these folks get released. Funny how the repubs act like they are the only ones who can make competent decisions when they have shown the complete opposite.

Bjoerlingfan   June 17th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

A fair, impartial justice system is what separates us from terrorists and radical governments. It's one of our founding priciples. And the fact that many in our government have tried to find every loophole possible to violate this bedrock of American society is appalling and frightening.

Arack Bobama   June 17th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

Barack wants terrorists and enemy combatants in our court system (next to the shoplifters and tax cheats) and with the same rights as Americans. That's an innovative way to keep us out of war – insist that all battlefield captives get US taxpayer paid lawyers and court dates!

For Obama, it is apparent that you don't need to be American to earn full American rights. Ask him if we should give benefits (healthcare and free school) to illegal aliens, and I'll bet his answer is the same: YES WE CAN!

There goes your hard earned tax dollars – guess we need to raise taxes a whole bunch to pay for all of this...

Freddy Fred   June 17th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

If the Oklahoma City bomber was given a trial, then why would any other terroist not be given one. Why is this even an issue. Go play in traffic McCrazy and take your staff with you.

Marcia, TX   June 17th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

This is not news CNN, we know McCain is a little colonel. We won't vote for him, so there won't be a problem.\

Hey CNN, do a story on Luke Russert. He seems like a great young man. We loved his father.

Jarrett   June 17th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."

That is straight from the constitution which shows why you could make an argument for or against the suspension of in Guantanamo. I myself disagree with the Bush administration for what they have done in Guantanamo but unfortuantely the Constitution leaves some leeway for interpretation like many other things in the Constitution. Ultimately if we are going to preach democracy to the rest of the world then we should not be holding detainees without formally charging them with a crime and allowing them to stand trial. We should not be afraid to take them to trial as if they are in Guantanamo then there obviously should be sufficient evidence for holding them there making it no problem to charge and convict them.

Matt, OR   June 17th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

McCain is not fit to run this country. He is out of step with the laws of this country that make us safe and out of step with the rest of the world. The guy doesn't even know how to use a computer.

No John McCain, NO!

Beth from Virginia   June 17th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

so the term "equal under the law" means nothing? Is it supposed to be "equal under the law unless you're accused of being a terrorist"?

Matthew   June 17th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

I'm a Democrat, but Obama is doing himself no favors by having Kerry involved so much in this campaign. Talk about a loser.

BIFF, BIFFINGTON...   June 17th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

um..... excuse me for pointing this out.. but.... should part of the program be to "CATCH THE TERRORISTS".....

ANYBODY SEEN BIN-LADIN??????

wonder where THAT is, in Mccain's "plan".....

Jillian, San Francisco   June 17th, 2008 3:12 pm ET

McSame is worst than Bush. He's a little Napoleon general who can't wait to fight, terrorize and intimidate prisoners.

He is not a leader. For God's sake, don't give that wannabe tyrant any power.

Nancy McKinney   June 17th, 2008 3:12 pm ET

MCCAIN LAUGHED WHEN A SUPPORTER CALLED HILLARY THE "B" WORD

NOW HE WON'T RETURN MONEY FROM SOMEONE THAT JOKED OVER RAPE?!?!?!

THSI GUYS HAS NO RESPECT FOR WOMEN!!!!!!!!

S. Boat Warrensburg Mo.   June 17th, 2008 3:12 pm ET

More Of The Same From The Crooked Talk Express!

ProundToBeADemocrat   June 17th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

Mccain wants to kill anybody he captures, what an idiot if they would of applied the same policy that he wants to see he would of never made it in vietnam when he was the prisinor of war, he would of been dead in prison or killed.

Mike in Columbus   June 17th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

BTW, McCain used to advocate the same exact thing. Before he turned into GW Jr.

Jill   June 17th, 2008 3:11 pm ET

This is very simple. We are a country of laws, not terrorist. So we should not act the same way the terrorist act. McSame does not know what he's talking about.

Brian Knoxville, TN   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Extending the logic of the McCain campaign, the soldiers that captured Sadaam Hussein should have shot him on sight instead of turning him over to the proper authorities for trial. The implication in the argument is the there are some who do not deserve Habeus Corpus. Who makes that determination? Just another in the long line of phoney scared tactics by John McCain and his Republican fake bullies.

John Smith   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

For the life of me, it is hard to understand "what" the Hillary supporters really want.

When this primary started, everyone, including Hillary knew and understood the "rules"– only the delegate votes matter.

Ofcourse, Hillary started with BIG advantages:
-Name recogntion (very high)
-DEM resources, including superdel votes (very high)
-Optimism by the DEM party for a candidate (very high for Hillary)

Each candidate, including Edwards, Biden, Richardson and so on, was given the "opportunity" to make their case to the voters.

–In the middle, Hillary tried to change several rules, including call for the "popular vots" (something that has NEVER been done) etc.

The facts remain: Hillary LOST all the resources she started out with! Who is to blame here- Obama, DNC, the other 19 million voters?

The primary is about the PARTY, not a single person. This attitude must change or the DEMS, as in the past, will see defeat and defeat now and in the years to come. You think the Republicans, as they run the nation, will listen to these "bitter" DEM voters? Wake up people!

ohio voter   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Why would we not put them on trial?? We have laws in this country. Is the McCain campaign suggesting that we "lock them up and throw away the keys"...That's what's delusional ! This country has lost respect around the world for that mind set. We understand and know the importance of DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY!! We are certainly not "s o f t" on defense!

It's time to re-think all of the Bush/Cheney policies. They are bullies and looking for a fight! Let's strive for Peace and not War. We are all God's children, the good, the bad and yes, even the ugly!!

A Hillary Supporter

Cynthia   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Where did Senator McCain get the people from that is working on his campaign???????????????????

S. Boat Warrensburg Mo.   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

The Mccain / Bush Foreign Policy Is A Failure! The Mccain / Bush Strategy Is A Failure! The Mccain / Bush Presidency Is A Failure!

sacto joe   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Over the weekend, the Sacramento Bee ran a couple of pieces that showed how many, many innocent people have been stuck in Guantanamo Bay, tortured, and denied their rights.

But that's all right, huh, America.

How long are we going to COWER IN FEAR, America!

How long will we let our "leaders" manipulate us by playing on our fears?

How long until we become a country of JUSTICE again?

How long will we continue to breed hatred against us by our unjust acts?

Brandi, Oklahoma   June 17th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

OBAMA get that old man!!!!

Quinn   June 17th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

I don't see why there is any doubt that McWar will continue to harm our image around the world.

How can we deny prisoners a fair trial and expect our enemies to honor the Geneva conventions when our troops are captured?

We need to lead by example.

Obama / Bloomberg 08!

Boye   June 17th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

How do we justify not trying terrorists? Are we (as Americans) saying that we are better than everyone else and therefore they don't deserve our justice system? I mean, if an American citizen was arrested for terrorism, do we just simply ship em to Guantanamo?

Allen In North Carolina   June 17th, 2008 3:08 pm ET

Do it the way the republicans have done..... Torture them Give them the good ole waterboard treatment.... Imprison them as long as you like without ryme nor reason. Give them no day in court,
Then lets put a man into office with some dignity.....
YES WE CAN.....

Ralph   June 17th, 2008 3:07 pm ET

McCain is so screwed. I don't think there has ever been a candidate as unelectable.

Heather-NC   June 17th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

I personally think that Obama and Kerry, Reid and Pelosi all should head on down there to Club Gitmo and take some donuts and coffee and just try out their "lets all love one another" speech on them and see if they can turn the detainees into model Democrats!!

karen   June 17th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

I agree–McBush would start WWIII. Under our Constitution, everyone has a right to a trial by his peers!!!!! Bush tried to take this away and years down the road it could be a very dangerous precendence. The right of Habius Corpus has been around since the Kings and it was written into our constitution for a reason!!! Under Bush's plan, we could arrest Bush on war crimes and through away the key!!!! Well, that might not be a bad idea!

Brian Knoxville, TN   June 17th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Please give me a break McWar! How dare you attempt to take a cheap shot at Obama. Try sticking to the issue for once.

Lorna, NY   June 17th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

McCain is INSANE!

Loretta from California   June 17th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

Why don't we just send them back to their individual home country, and allow them to be prosecuted on their own soil, and by their own people.

DEMOCRATS UNITE!!!!!

Its called the Constitution   June 17th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

They have rights too. No wonder why everyone hates us

R.I.F.   June 17th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

McCain is as out ot touch as George Bush. We have to do something with these clowns. Why are they just sitting aroung in Gitmo? Try them and if their crimes are punishable by death then execute them, if not then let them rout in prison. If we caught Osama alive then we would try him and I'm guessing that there's a 100% chance that he will be executed. The republicans are just fearmongering.

DJ, LA, CA   June 17th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

Put them on trial and no torture allowed to extort bogus confessions.

Seth in Jacksonville, FL   June 17th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

You can't just hold people prisoner and not try them in court, just because you suspect them of a crime. We must lead by example in the U.S., which means the "detainees" should be tried and sentenced or let go if there is no evidence. That's how our legal system is supposed to work. John Kerry is right, and no amount of ignorant, Neocon rhetoric spewed out by the fear mongering Republicans will change that.

Matt   June 17th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Obama needs to keep his yap shut.

He knows nothing about foreign policy or protecting this country.

hmmmm   June 17th, 2008 2:59 pm ET

Dang, that's good. I like that last response.

Clinton/McCain   June 17th, 2008 2:59 pm ET

This democrat will admit that Obama's policy IS a policy of delusion. Go McCain!

Josh, CA   June 17th, 2008 2:58 pm ET

McCain is scary! The guy with an erratic temperament would trigger WWIII if given the chance.

Turnabout is Fair Play   June 17th, 2008 2:58 pm ET

"McCain senior advisor Randy Scheunemann called Obama’s arguments “a policy of delusion.”

“These [terrorists] aren’t just your run of the mill drug dealers that are picked up on the South Side of Chicago,” said Scheunemann, referencing Obama’s Chicago roots."
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The fact you had to try and go there with Obama's Chicago roots shows that you had no legitimate comeback and therefore no balls to keep your lie of an argument going. You just validated what Obama said, you foolish idiot! hahahahahahaha!!! I'll take a policy of delusion over a policy of dementia and senility anyday!

Obama/Sebelius or Webb '08!

Greg, NY   June 17th, 2008 2:57 pm ET

I agree that everyone should have the right to trial. Why is this such a bad thing?

If they deserve to be in prison, the courts will find them guilty.

Do you really think that if we caught Bin Laden and he went to trial, that he'd actually be found not guilty?

No way in hell! He's going straight to prison, if not put to death.

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