Independent woman for Obama!

Thank you for your SANE COMMENT!

To all of the REPUBLICANS IN DEMOCRATS CLOTHING, who are posting above! We are on to you!

TO ALL BLOGGERS.

Have you folks been following the CONTROVERSY about McCain's Naval Records? THIS MAN IS GETTING SUCH A FREEE RIDE FROM THE PRESS AND ELSEWHERE!

Please……..google……McCain's naval records…..There are numerous articles about the lack of transparency, numerous pages missing from his records.

I find this one VERY INTERESTING……….Crooks and Liars > McCain's
Secrecy over Navy Records…

Check it out for yourselves!!!!!!!! I hope and pray that you guys wake up before it is too late! John McCain will make an absolutely terrible President.

Obama is forward looking and that's what I need in a president!

judgement that can lead us in a new direction…to save our economy, gas prices, mortgage crisis, Iraq and bring our jobs back from India & China!

John McShame wants to contine continue the policies of George Bush. NEVER. NOT AGAIN.

NOT THIS TIME – YOU CANNOT RAPE US FOR 4 MORE YEARS!

We cannot trample our separation of church and state. The whole idea of church organizations is that they are supported and sustained by their members. This protects smaller religious organizations against larger religious group domination. To take tax dollars and give it to religious groups is the same as subsidizing corporations as if they are independent to the free market. If they cannot stand on their own donations, then you are subsidizing particular ideologies. You are giving bonus power to particular groups. This was in part why we had the Revolutionary War to separate from England. This is a bad idea.

People always badmouth government organizations. The fact is that some have been good and some have been bad. Until our government acts according to the needs of its people, bad government organization will continue to exist. The problem we should solve is this, and not give money to holders of ideology that in turns gives them unfair advantage of power over others, rather fix our government and make it work as our founding fathers had intended.

Once again, Obama opened his mouth and nothing came out. We all need to work together—how is he intending to bring this about? What will he do? Will he legislate (instead of sitting quietly in Congress)? or Will he vote for someone else's bill (vote Present or be AWOL when the bill is voted). He would have to take a stand if he actually voted on a bill and he couldn't castigate others who voted (took a stand). He believes nothing; he stands for nothing; just one big bag of wind.

to Dave, Illinois:

It's called the First Amendment. You know, the one that states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…" The Supreme Court has since expounded upon the principle in Everson v. Board of Education and Engel v. Vitale. I learned that in a public school. But go ahead, keep acting as if you know what you are talking about.

Well the flower has fallen off the plant!!
Routing federal program money to faith based organizations and allowing hiring/ firing to some extent for these groups flies in the face of where the secular aspect of government should move!!
AS an educated man, I cannot believe, save to kowtow to religious groups, how Obama could find merit in such an exercise. Let such groups fleece their own flocks and use it in their own misguided way to alleviate the world's problems!!
Obama, you slipped on this banana peel for sure!!

CNN posted another photo op with McCain not wearing the American flag lapel pin(see CNN article: "In challenge to McCain, majority against free trade). This is a obviouis example of McCain's unAmerican views, lack of American patriotism, probably communistic and atheist beliefs and behaviors. Thanks CNN for capturing this "proof." But what's up with so-called patriotic policemen, Limp Bushbaugh and Karl Rove? They who have so gallantly brought attention of Obama not wearing a flag pin and yet they have not roasted McCain. What's up with this? What wrong with this picture? Where is the love for our country going? Down the tubes? The shame! The shame!

PS They recently showed a video of the porker, Limpbaugh, ranting on his own radio show and he was not wearing an American flag. What's up with this? Limpbaugh is another one of those GOP ex-druggies. Where were his morals when he did the liberal fantasy tripping?

What is this? Obama's version of a million points of light.

YES WE CAN AND WE WILL VOTE NOBAMA.

Who does this man think that he's fooling??

PUMA (PAC)

NObama's new campaign slogan: YES, WE SCAM!

"Cybercast News cites a report from the secretary of the Senate which says women working in Obama's Senate office were paid, on average, about $6,000 less than men. And, of the five people in Obama's office who earn more than $100,000 a year, only one is a woman.

But in John McCain's Senate office, the average pay for women is $2,500 more than men."

Wow, how about that "sweetie."

Keep faith out of politics. Not everyone is a believer in those things. All you need to do is the job and do it well.

The so-called clinton supporters on this thread ( called Pumas) are in reality all republican trolls. See the article in Politico .com. Do not believe the hype!! They are garbage.

Obama supporters: Unite and face the enemy, the forces of darkness, the supporters of Bush-Mccain.

How many positions could he possibly flip flop on and how many core Democratic principles and people could he possibly throw under the bus?

Just Say No Deal.

A Proud Capital Hill Forum PUMA member.

I have made a decision, since you are attempting to enrich a bunch of greedy preacher in return for their support, I will NOT VOTE FOR YOU. I will simply stay home you are a phony. Sen. Obama you are not about change, you are about getting elected.

Sen. Obama, I support you but, the moment sense that you are trying to merge religion & Government is when I will not vote for you. Your obsession with faith is beginning to sound like that of GEORGE BUSH.

I can't stand Obama – he makes me sick to my stomach! He now attacks MoveOn.org when he needs conservative vote, oh please. Where was he last year when this despicable organization ran that ad? People, BEWARE – Obama is a very dangerous man. He doesn't care about anyone, but himself. Let me spell it for you: E-L-I-T-I-S-T. Oh, and I forgot to mention that he is a socialist also.

R.I.F.,
you are totally right!!!!!!!

obama '08

all these pro Obama groups are under funded because they don't know how to apply for federal funding? Taxpayers get ready for a big Change, socialism is on the way.

Well if any of you are true Christians then you would know that Jesus, commanded us as believers to feed the poor, tend to the sick, and visit the prisons, etc. So, he is right. We as the church should be doing these things and not the government. The problem Obama will have with this is that the churches today have become so money hungry they have forgotten what their real purpose is. It's not about building big churches and growing large congregations. That's why they can't meet the need of the people because they are too busy building elaborate buildings and putting the money in their own pockets. If he can first address those issues then he will be able to get the church to do what is was originally intended for.

Now let the church say AMEN!!!

thank you senator obama, you can show bush and his war criminal partners, how to run the faith-based initiative and not just talk about. I love this guy, he is soooooo smart. it's quite refreshing after 8 years of illiterate bush

Pander plus!

Put your toothy grin back in your pocket Obama. A universalist with no moral center has nothing credible to say to evangelicals!

Good idea Obama! This is the type of president you get when the experience ranges from community organizing to civil rights law to constitutional law to politician as opposed from military aviator to politician!

Rock On Obama!

So, when Bush gives taxpayer money to religious groups for charitable community work it's 'an erosion of the separation of church and state.' But when Obama does exactly the same thing (even wanting to increase funds, apparently) he's just being good-willed?
Double-standards: the war-cry of the knee-jerk demopublican/repucratic voters. They think that replacing the name and the letter after the name will bring change…

Laughing my head off! When Bush started public support of religious groups that do charity work the left went into overdrive criticizing him for imposing a religious dogma. Now that Obama wants to give taxpayer dollars to religious groups you think he's being smart about it? Obama even admits he's just following in the footsteps and completing the work that Clinton and Bush started, doing precisely what his predecessors did. And he even says that what was wrong is that these programs were underfunded. He wants to EXPAND this program, give it MORE taxpayer money than Bush has. Where is the left's criticism now?
Blind-sight is 0/0…

NO tax dollars should EVER support any religious organization. Period. If churches and church affiliated groups want government money, then they should pay taxes like the rest of us!

Christian Democrat,

AMEN!!!!!!!

Just because the Bush administration is a failure, does not mean that everything they have ever done is a failure.

I commend Senator Obama for continuing to support faith-based groups helping people in their own communities. Even those not religiously inclined might have eyes to see that a large portion of the good being done to help the homeless, feed the hungry, house pregnant women who choose to have their children, building playgrounds, providing childcare and after-school programs, ministering to AIDS patients, etc. are staffed by those in faith-based organizations.

We just have to be careful to make sure that services do not exclude ANYONE on the basis of race, religion, gender or orientation if they are to receive federal funds. And religious organizations have the right to opt out of funding if they feel that they must water down their beliefs to be beholden to the government. A win-win situation.

Gasp… a ticker talking about an actual issue? Unheard of!

The hiring or not hiring based on religious belief makes sense for the non-Federally funded activities.

You would not hire a rabbi to lead as a Baptist preacher. That would make an interesting employment discrimination law suit.

Why is this such a great idea now that Obama is saying it, but it was criminal and nasty when President Bush put it into action?

If Sen. Obama supports federal funding, while allowing religious discrimination in hiring practices, he will immediately lose my support.

I will never, ever vote for Sen. McCain but there's no point in voting for someone who approves of discrimination in any form and I certainly don't want my taxes used to support such vile policies.

To Jay- get used to it buddy. The man will show so many sides by the time this election is over…..Are you all starting to see him for what he is? Just another same old chicago Pol ….He sold you a bill of goods. The sad thing is so many in the Democratic party are still buying it. Premature grab for power. Nothing more. When will he start voting "Present" again….just so he doesn't have to take a stand. Oh, he has started doing that already. My mistake. Drink the Kool Aid kiddies. You have been taken in by a huckster pure and simple.

Obama could walk on water, feed the hungry, obtain world peace, make us all rich and some of you would still hate him. Get over yourselves and open your heart to another emotion besides hate. You might actually be happy for a change.

This seems like an end around for this marxist to begin government control of religion. The silliest rumor out there is that he is a muslim. Ridiculous, he is an ardent radical marxist like Stanley, his mother. Marxist believe in the power of government and the uselessness of religions in general.

people, US is a very religious country. I am not, but when he talks about this… it brings positive views…however this type of talk conservatives hate..conservates don't like to help out the homeless and the poor,

SOUNDS LIKE THE QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT TO ALL AMERICANS.

Faith based initiatives is a complete scam! It started by Bush! this program was created for religion to infiltrate the goverment and now it's impacting politicial decision making.

We are using tax dollar funds for people pretending to provide public services, they are just cashing the checks just AFDC, Unemployment, Workmans comp etc., this is just another way to scam the goverment.

I would of thought Obama would destroy this so called program, this a flaut out political move to win the evangelical vote!

strangely people don't know how to read and always screws up information when it's right there in your face. READ PEOPLE READ!!!!!! on one blog they said that obama will have this put in place so that they can hire and fire based on religion which is what he DOESN'T want to happen. he wants the communities around to get involed and the gov. can fund it why not helping out never hurt anyone it would be better maybe we could make our home better and next the world. who knows. but as a positive person this might make some negative people angry. get over yourselves let's move this thing forward please?

Great idea. As he panders to the religious right in this country. Yeah, Let's give some money to the likes of Rev. Wright….remember him the racist who was Obama minister for what was it 20 years….and he never heard a sermon based on race?????Please.
This man is such a liar and pandering pol. Make more room under the bus it is going to get crowed down there when this guy is done with it all. PUMA? you bet.

Pander… Pander….

I think Obama already knows how to get federal money to the churches… Ask Rev Pfueger… He got an earmark…

I don't understand why Trinity has not lost its tax exempt status yet for allowing pastors to preach politics at church… The only place Obama gets more more positive coverage than Trinity is on CNN and MSNBC.

Still for Hill, but voting McCain

Makes sense…there's a lof of great things faith-based or religious groups can do for their communities. Obama is smart to embrace them and try to win them over from the GOP.

Oh…., faith based groups like the one Reverend Jeremiah Wright is controlling in Chicago…

I disagreed with it when Bush proposed it and I disagree now. The general concept is fine, but implementation is a problem. It is a slipery slope that will end up discriminating against certain religions. I am still supporting the candidate, but I hope he will rethink his position on this matter.

Not one dime of my taxpayer money should be going to any faith based group. I, as an individual American citizen, allocate charitable funds as I see appropriate, to groups based on their works. Sometime an organization may be faith based, some time not.

Separation of church and state MUST be an absolute. Period. No taxpayer money funneled through religious groups, EVER. PERIOD. EVER.

I am an Obama supporter, but I disagree with him on this one. Not one cent of public money to religion-based organizations. I have nothing against them and they do good work, but that is tantamount to government backing of a specific religion. It flies in the face of separation of church and state – one of the founding principals of our country.
All he's doing is pandering to the so-called "Christian Coalition" for votes. I'm very disappointed.

The Obama sheep are amazing and arrogant. If this would have been a GOP member… its unconstitutional. Amazing… the arrogance is thick in this group.

If this man is elected, think of how trinity church and Mr Wright will benefit–they will be paid to destroy America!

Isn't this forcing people who have no religious affiliation to pay tithes?

Just what we needed a Democrat like Bush!

This is what politicians do when they don’t have good ideas to help the US with its problems.

Democrats for McCain! A real leader with character and experience!

Obama courting religious evangelicals and now promoting more of Bush's faith-based initiatives makes me very nervous.

Obama is blurring the lines between government and religion moreso than many Republicans. Is he really going to be able to do anything to secure a woman's right to choose and equal rights for all Americans, gay and straight, with all he is going to owe to Christian evangelicals?

Some group is going to get sold down the river in his administration – progressives or evangelicals. You can't please them both. I wonder which group it will be? Hmmm…

Welcome to the Obama Theocracy.

To heck with the constitution, Obama says.

To heck with the separation of Church and State.

SAY NO TO FAITH BASED ANYTHING! KEEP IT IN THE HOME WHERE IT BELONGS!

I think it's a good idea to not only provide publically but also to reach out to religious organizations in areas hit hardest. Right now they are struggeling to help people who need it the most. i just hope that unlike Bushes plan these religious organizations aren't forced to be apart of that particular religion etc.

This is disgraceful. Obama morphing into Bush on the issue. Doesn't Obama know that there is a separation between church and state? Is Obama looking to fund the Catholic Church (payback to Fr. Pfleger) and United Trinity? I hope we don't have too many more examples of Obama adopting Bush policies. This is most disturbing.

In Obama we trust.

webster208 July 1st, 2008 12:43 pm ET

This is what you get for listening To Rev. Wright unquestoningly for 20 years.

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Typical fallacy made by people who quake in their boots about Rev. Wright – to think that Rev. Wright spoke that way EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY for 20 years and Obama was there EVERY SINGLE TIME is absolutely ridiculous. You also cannot possibly know to what degree he listened "unquestioningly" – for all you know, he could have been skeptical about everything that came out of Wright's mouth. We know he had other reasons for staying there, including his work as a community organizer.

For all we know, unless we were there for 20 years too, Wright's controversial comments may well have been limited to those sound bites that were played over and over in the news, and every other Sunday may well have consisted of a typical sermon. I also wouldn't believe for a minute that other pastors such as Hagee make controversial comments every Sunday without exception either. Rev. Wright is a non-issue – a boogeyman for people who are afraid of a minority president with a funny name.

I wonder if Joe Liberman is the one that is going to launches the new terror attack. Please stop scaring people for political reason. America, it is not true no terror attack in 2009. If there is one Joe Lieberman and the Republican Party is behind it.

I'm not so sure about this Barack, I don't believe in mixing church and state.

Obama needs to explain this more before I'm onboard with this. I didn't like it with Bush, and I'm not comfortable with it now.

I agree that church and state should be seperated, but he's talking about having churches to vy for money that other non-profits are getting. I don't see anything wrong with that–they'll have to do the same 30 pages of applications that every other group has to do. If they don't get it, they don't get it.

Hehehehe! Clinton Supportor (or undercover Right-wing nut). That's a good one. You gave me the best laugh of the day. Really are you serious?

Sounds like a plan. I trusted Barack with my campaign dollars and he used the money wisely. His camp is NOT in debt. I can now trust him in leading faith based initiatives.

Obama is my next president and I'm supporting him all the way.
O/08

To all those who say that religion has no place in goverment:
as quiet as it's kept…religion is very much a part of government. why else would we always have to worry about ome supreme court justice coming along and overturning Roe v.wade? I was raised during the time that there was prayer included at school events. It is NO accident that it was during those times that crime was low…people were not afraid to leave home or come home at night.

Why we don't have a single decent person as a candidate?

Golly, Literacy is for Loosers, if there's one I don't want to do, it's look bad to Obama cult members! I'll definitely try to clean up my act.

You are just full of good advice. Here's some for you: lighten up; you'll live longer.

LOVE YOU BAM!

Come on people! All kinds of religious groups have been getting money from the government for decades. This is truly just an attempt to streamline and better document what is going to whom in a straight forward, open manor. The way it has been done before is through those so called Pork Barrel projects and the like.
Chill.

You know who the first group both candidates spoke to after the primaries? AIPAC the most powerful lobby in the U.S. Zionism a radical branch of Judaism and the far right Evangelicals are condoning and actively funding genocide and crimes against humanity. You want to end the War on Terror. Demand Israel ends the illegal thirty year, military occupation of the Palestinian people. You can't pick and choose which tyrants to pick on. Iran is six years from a nuclear program, Israel has had a nuclear arsenal for fifteen years and has threatened to use them on numerous occasions. They have never signed a nuclear treaty and should be sanctioned and embargoed. Don't peg me an anti-semite either, I have hebrew blood in my veins. Israel is a military dictatorship, Judaism is a religion. You can criticize one without defaming the other. This is about human rights, which supersedes, rhetoric and dogma.

Oh, great, yet another government program with little oversight that will cost the taxpayers a fortune and waste tens of millions of dollars.

Don't get me wrong – I think churches and other non-profit organizations are great for caring for the needs of the poor and helping the downtrodden. But it should be done with private donations, because that ensures aoutomatic oversight. (Many people donate to the Salvation Army, for example, because they understand it has low overhead and a greater percentage of its donations go to help people dircetly.)

In fact, the federal governnment should get COMPLETELY out of the "helping-people business," and do only what it is supposed to do under the United States Constitution: protect the individual liberties of American citizens. Sixty years of welfare programs have done nothing but make generations of Americans dependent on public programs – programs that exist more to provide non-productive jobs for donators to political campaigns than anything else.

Vote for the Libertarians, not for socialist candidates or a "democrat-lite" candidates.

It's difficult to imagine the logistics here. How can a faith-based organization have two sets of rules for employees that are paid by tax money and those that are not? Does this mean that these organizations then have to track two sets of books, two sets of employment policies, etc?

This is sounding like red tape.

Well, Obama always said he is for "change". Now we know it is just a change of names.

As long as there's no proselytization, I'm fine… but that would be tough to monitor.

This is a great idea.

If legally operating Americans feel an obligation to volunteer and efficiently help other Americans in need, then it makes sense that the government could fund the efforts.

What a man ! So intelligent – can't wait until he's president.

OH WAIT – I'm not a Bama lemming. Get a grip people, why is Bama now espousing republican ideals ?!!? Who is this guy and what does he stand for ? The flavor of the day?

Keep the State out of Church !! Of course this is a guy who is so deeply entwined in that Pfleger/Wright church of his who knows what will happen if this guy gets in the office. SCARY !!!!

These groups have helped in New York City. The money cannot be used to push a religious agenda, only to help a cause.

I would really like to know who is "laying out" all of Obama's new found "plans" "major speeches" "policies" – all of a sudden this junior senator is full of ideas – mostly he's full of bull.

His pandering makes me want to throw-UP!

Obama, is attempting to awaken the sleeping giant..the religious left long ignored by the right and marginalized by the left..

side note.. another reason why Tim Kaine of VA should/will be his running mate.

Wow. Bush pushes thgis, it defiles the Constution. Obama backs it and it's a good idea? Do you people even know what you want?

I think this is great, this is what we need in Indy.
I like it.

He's right. The churches are already on the ground, where the people are–let's help them, help the people.

i didnt agree with this office when bush implemented it, and i dont agree with it now. I am a religious man, but the existance of this office inside the white house is a violation of the seperation of church and state.

Oh boy, again hateful-spiteful comments. People against Obama have no substance behind their ignorant statements. Like the comment at the top of this blog from "Hillary Supporter" she says, "what is he saying?"

Duh…… what Sen. Obama is saying is that ALL faith denominations need to work together, that would really help. As a volunteer at St. Vincent De Paul, I know that if all of us, Christians, Jews & Muslims would work together in our effort to help the needy we could really get a lot done. Sen. Obama's message is about unity……. setting ASIDE EGOS, partisanship and working TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF OUR NATION.

To all you McCain supporters: how about war with Iran? What about the $10 TRILLION IN NATIONAL DEBT, THANKS TO BUSH? WHO WILL PAY FOR MORE WAR?

ISN'T $1.38 BILLION A DAY SPENT IN IRAQ ENOUGH? HOW CAN ANYONE SUPPORT MCCAIN WHEN HE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO FAILED POLICIES OF BUSH?

ISN'T $650 BILLION SPENT TO DATE ON THE WAR WITH IRAQ ENOUGH?

CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT OUR NATION CAN DO WITH $650 BILLION? WE COULD GIVE ALL AMERICANS HEALTHCARE, SENIOR CITIZENS WOULD HAVE THEIR MEDICATION AND CARE PAID FOR; OUR CHILDREN WOULD HAVE TOP-NOTCH SCHOOLS; WE COULD SUPPORT SOCIAL SECURITY FOR ALL THOSE BABY-BOOMERS WHO ARE NOT PREPARED FOR RETIREMENT! ETC.,

IF YOU WANT MORE OF THE SAME…….. VOTE MCCAIN!

Just Consider this:
After Hurricane Katrina, more would have been done to help the ravaged communities if Federal resources were channeled through Churches than through FEMA.
All those that agree say AMEN.

I thought he was about "Change"? Sounds like Bush to me. I love how he wants to help these groups and give them MY money. These are the same groups that are fighting to keep me from protecting my family and getting married!!

I'm keeping the faith, and I will be voting for Barack in November.

Obama has my vote but I don't agree with this position.
Give credit where it's due, encouragement when they struggle and thanks when they succeed but don't give them Federal Tax Dollars.

stop pandering to these people – tax these groups.Under relgion's banner are a lot of hateful groups

Whatever happended to seperation of church and state?

Interesting "no more republicans":

So you say this country was founded on seperation of church and state? What jewel of public education did you learn that from? Please, show me that in the Declaration of Independance, the Consitution, etc.

This is nothing but Obama pandering. His left wing taskmasters would never allow monies to go to faith-based organizations and he knows it. The only way they would allow it is if it would somehow diminish the faith.

This is the same initiative the Bush administration promoted and was slammed for not following through. Sort of like his building that fence at the Mexican/US border to keep out illegal immigrants, then not funding the initiative.

I see this as what it takes to reach the voters who have become disinterested in politics for a vast variety of reasons. If this helps touch one household or one community, and there is action behind the rhetoric, we might dare to look forward wih hope for something better for us: the citizens.

Obama is definitely NOT an elitist nor is he out-of-touch with the electorate. On the other hand we have McCain: he's on his way out of the country again; busy campaigning in Columbia and Mexico. Claiming Senator Obama is unpatriotic (since when is any member of Congress unpatriotic?!?) and other blather.

In defense of Clinton Supporter, all Obama said was "we must work together". For what, he does not say other thant to ambiguously say towards the challenges of the 21st century. He enjoys speaking in generalities so you guys can project whatever your desires are, on him.

MOST of these groups are hateful groups. They are against Human Rights? NO Obama..NO!

When it comes down to it, all the Federal Government can do is talk and suggest plausible solutions. It boils down to us, in our individual neighborhoods, to take the initiative and make it happen.

In my opinion, Obama is right on..

Oh yeah, maybe we should be giving his good reverend some dough too.
JUST SAY NO DEAL

I like how Obama speaks in unifying terms when addressing principles & morals, which can be common to everyone regardless of religious affiliation. That shows genuine leadership qualities for president in a country with freedom of religion.

Obama '08

Re: Independent for McCain

Ha! You're mad at Obama becoming more conservative, so you're going to vote for the more conservative person? Rubbish, you're clearly a Republican posing as a Democrat.

You can do good without "faith".

VotePact

** Nader/Gonzalez 2008 **

And is Obama equally willing to aggressively yank funds from faith-based groups that refuse to provide services to people based on their faith traditions?

For example, it simply is not appropriate for government funds to go to Catholic family planning programs, since these programs will never include abortion in their counseling curriculum – nor even let their patients know that abortion is an option!! Additionally, can we trust Southern Baptist-sponsored AIDS/HIV programs, considering the denomination's outspoken support for systematicdiscrimination against gay people?

These groups have a right to have a religius point of view AND they also have a right to provide services based on those beliefs. However, public funds must go to programs that treat citizens with equality and provide them with every legal option available to them.

There is a reason we have government-run public service programs – they are accountable to the taxpayers – not the pope nor the Southern Baptist Convention executive board.

L you sound more brainwashed by Hannity than you claim Obama to be by his Church, get a clue!

huh what is he going to call on the advise of like of pastors like Pfleger and Wright when expanding his faith-based programs? lol

I voted for BO in the primary. However, he has switched so many of his positions, that I will vote for McCain. I thought BO was change – I was fooled. My judgment is as good as his is/was. Sorry Hillary. I wish I had voted for you.

McCAin!

As long as it's only going for secular purposes fine, but I have no idea how that'll be enforced.

Tax all churchs and faith based groups.I see no reason not to.Let them pay their fair share.Not for profit think tanks should be taxed also,they are nothing more than right or left wing propaganda machines.

McCain'08 Clinton'12

Lets not fund faith based groups, thank you very much, or at least don't give them tax payer dollars

huh what is he going to call on the advise of like of pastors like Pfleger and Wright when expanding these faith-based programs? lol

"I'm not saying that faith-based groups are an alternative to government or secular nonprofits. And I'm not saying that they're somehow better at lifting people up. What I'm saying is that we all have to work together — Christian and Jew, Hindu and Muslim; believer and non-believer alike — to meet the challenges of the 21st century,"

True…we are going to have to work together as a nation what ever faith or ideology, financial position or ethnic background to fix the mess we are in.
we are only as strong as our weakest link

Obama 08

Not impressed, as is un-original. Does this guy every have his own unique thought in his head? Moderators, please….when it is time for presidential debates between McCain and Obama….please MAKE Obama go first. As a registered Democrat, my heart is absolutely not in it for voting for him. Sorry, fellow Dems, but I just can't.

The truth of the matter is this, our country is currently being ran by a dictator, period…this man orchestrated all the events that happened to this country during his presidency for a common goal. Get educated folks…don't let fear tactics keep you ignorant.
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

Yeah fine just done use my tax dollars to further any religous agenda, Its bad enough I get taxed and that money goes to vochers for people to send their children to private schools instead of cleaning up the public schools.

Clinton Supporter, why don't you try sentence #3

As far as the idea, it works well on the small scale we have right now, why not give it a shot at the big time?

This is what you get for listening To Rev. Wright unquestoningly for 20 years.

More governmental ways, to "Give away" taxpayers' money; at a "larger" scale. More "Pander" to some faith based groups; of which, many do little or nothing, for its people.Bigger government spending! Is this change; or more of the same?

I have never heard someone move their mouth so much and not take a stand on anything, except to say when his policy gets here it will sure be different. He seems like a bright fellow – I wonder what he is thinking.

Mark Twain said:
There is nothing in the world like a persuasive speech to fuddle the mental apparatus and upset the convictions and debauch the emotions of an audience not practiced in the tricks and delusions of oratory.

You're right Obama. It truly takes a village to support indivduals in a community. You have the right thing.

When I hear all of the negative things some of the Hillary Supports or so-called Hillary Supporters are doing and saying it really saddens me.

Obama keep it positive and Hillary thank you for knowing to keep your eye on the prize by supporting Obama against the Republicans. It is what a "true" democrat does!

The reason why i post here is because all i see are EXTREMELY hateful and horrible words said about John McCain. You Obama supporters think your the only ones allowed to say what you want. I dont agree with Obama, and never listen to his speeches, because i think he's full of it. He is being groomed by the most left wing liberals (john Soros) and has been from the time he ran for senate. I think its very dangerous to trust a man like Obama at this point in time.

You also have to realise that even though there is so much hype about Obama, a lot just dont trust him and wont vote for him. Not everybody is so excited about McCain but he is trustworthy.

To the Clinton Supporter:
If you actually take the time to read his remarks thoughtfully, chances are you may actually get what Obama is saying.
Blinders off PLEASE…………………..!!!!

And what is McCain's faith? War and rumors of war? I don't care what anyone says, McCain is betting this election on the Iraq war AND the Iran war that Bush is trying to start before he leaves office.

Bush needs to be stopped now and McCain knows it.

No more lies, no more unjustified wars.

Obama 08

Community service is great, but can't we leave "faith" out of it? There are lots of folks who need help and not a sermon. I'm a strong believer in charity, but adding "faith" muddies the water. I don't especially like the idea of mixing government and spirituality. How do you decide which faith gets what money? I don't like it.

Republican for anybody but McLieberCain '08

I love it. Addressing different interest groups every day, and most of the time, not taking jabs at McCain's campaign. A truly respectable candidate. I cannot wait until November to vote for him.

Obama will say and do anything to get elected.

what about the religion you learnt at Trinity for 20 years. Rev wright got the crowds going by telling them racists political comments. Awesome background for a presidential candidate

I am ok with funding faith based groups for secular activity but as soon as one of the groups uses my tax dollars to send a missionary to my door to tell me I'm going to hell for not reading their stupid book I will probably freak out.

Clinton Supporter… Did you graduate from High School? Your hate for Obama is so deep that you cant even comprehend what you wrote. Please Clinton Supporter get a clue before its to late.

Education and discipline are required not faith brainwashing. What a load of garbage this idea is.

Clinton Supporter July 1st, 2008 12:04 pm ET
"To Literacy is for Loosers:

I do think I could muster a lot more anger next time. Actually, this time I thought it was kind of funny. But I will try to be angrier in the future.

Thanks for the tip!"

… … uh huh. No problem. The fact that you want to laugh, scorn, and hate is just weak. You think it's making a point and making you look tough or mature, but frankly, it makes you either look like a disgruntled adolescent or a terr'rist.

You're only making yourself look bad, you know. So you actually think there is common sense to what you're saying right now? Typical hate-baiting with no grounding in rationality. C'mon, hit me with another one! I can't wait to read it. I yearn for your words.

I don't understand people who hate Obama. Why are they so obsessed with him if they hate him so much? I'm no fan of Mccain yet I don't go around saying how much I hate him or how much I am against his policies. He is simply not the ideal candidate for me at this time and that is it. I don't post pathetic little comments on every Mccain blog/site. I don't go nuts on how he is SO wrong for this country at this time. I am supporting Obama because I am a Democrat, and because I feel as though the last 8 years have been a disaster. I certainly can't imagine voting for a Republican, or vote out of spite.

No! One of the reasons I couldn't wait to elect a Democrat was so that we could ELIMINATE Bush's controversial faith-based initiatives. Now Obama wants to EXPAND them?? We should be using government money not for religion but to perform better inspections of our food supply!

Clinton Supporter,

Wow, you really are working hard at being stupid.

Way to go Senator Obama!!

These so called Hillary, anti-Obama groups are 1000 times worse than any of the GOP groups which is really sad. Obama didn't do anything to Hillary but beat her fair and square and now all of you 3 year olds are all upset. You should be pointing all of your fire at McCain considering the fact that his polices are directly opposite of Hillary's. Larry King had a women on last week from one of these groups and Larry himself seemed to think it is the stupidest thing ever. The feminist are really setting back the movement because they are giving people ammo to think that women get too emotional therfore would make it hard for them to lead. I don't think that way but the way you guys are whinning and crying and not using your heads is ridiclous.

This man thinks of everything concerning his candidacy that is good! Obama in 2009!

Faith based organization, I have no prblem with faith based organizations they can do lots of good with their own money, from their own members. I do not support governent money being given to faith based organizations. Secular groups only.

I remeber a time when faith based organizations worked for the betterment of the community because it was the right tihing to do.

To disagree with one is normal, but to use the word hate is puzzling under any circumstances and the only purpose hate serves is ones own self destruction. Raise the bar.

Why did Senator Obama fail to visit the Central Democratic Leadership Conference, which met in Chicago this past weekend?

The media reported that he spent the weekend in his hometown, so it would not have been a great hardship for him to make an appearance.

To me it appears that he wants to not anger his far-left wing base by appearing with the center-right members of his party that he will anger when he is elected to the Presidency.

I do believe that the Reverencd Jeremiah Wright was correct when he stated that “Senator Obama is a politician and he must say and do things that will get him elected.”

What did Obama do for his own districts, Chicago neighborhoods?

He helped the slumlords while his constituents lived in deplorable conditions.

Those of us who won't vote for Obama don't hate him. We just don't
trust him to be president.

Will have to wait and see where Obama is going with this. Separation of State and Churche is one of the foundation of U.S. If we were to go on this path, we cannat discriminate against any religion nor against anyone who do not beleive.

Now isn't that just too "rich." Bush promised the Evangelicals "faith-based" programs when he ran. In the end, he gave them absolutely NOTHING in that category. Now you'll be "duped" again — but this time by Obama!

Given Obama's history as a community organizer, he has some great insight into how, when working properly, faith-based organizations do great outreach work to build their communities. He has visibility over how these organizations can/should work, their needs, and the impact they have on local communities. Great work for an out of touch elitist, right Sen McCain?

This is an example where I disagree with one of Obama's positions, but am still supporting him. I don't believe religion has any place in government. That doesn't mean I can't support him.

I hope others feel the same way. So what if there are one or two things you don't agree with? By and large, he is the best man for the job, especially when compared to McCain. Vote wisely.

Hopefully this euphemizes your pain….

I am all for faith-based charities, but publically funding them opens up a lot of church-state separation issues. As an Obama supporter, this disappoints me somewhat. However, I don't think he misrepresented himself on this. Based on his prior speeches, I knew he would probably do this.

With so much media focus on the negative side of actions attributed to "faith", it is well that Obama reminds us that positively faith based initiatives can impact our society most benefically. Not spin, but making lemonade outta lemons.

Faith-based groups may be highly motivated to help those in need, but they must not be allowed to use that opportunity to proselytize if taxpayer dollars are funding their work.

I understand Obama's affinity for church-based groups, since he was once hired by a group of churches. But when my tax dollars go to help shelter the homeless or feed the hungry, I want the recipient to know that the generosity is that of the American people, not the church.

"Clinton Supporter", it's obvious that you refuse to listen to anything Obama has to say , because he says it right there in the comment that you copied. You're utterly pathetic !!!

Faith based programs should never have been started to begin with. They are nothing but a scam to get federal taxpayer dollars for political support and to let their buddies and supporters steal from the taxpayer. Shut them down. The old we could help, the kids if a parent can't support them , take them away from them, real disabled physically or mentanally take care of them. All them slugs that are healthy, drug addicts, alcholocis or the ones squirting a kid out every year to get a check, let them work or die.

Wow. Sounds like BHO is using a page from G W Bush's playbook. This was originally a Bush initiative.

I wonder how that makes teh obamaniacs feel. Will BHO ever come up with anything new himself? I mean, he's got at least 2 years experience with the Federal govt….that's enough isn't it?

Wow, "Clinton Supporter" I now realize why you people can't see why Obama is your solution now. You really physically cannot see!

The answer to your question is in the paragraph you quoted from the article.

And to all of you hardcore evangicals out there – he supports gay rights. That's right!

I hope you hate him. I'd like to see you as far away from the government as possible.

I am a caseworker in Dallas. We, a government agency, work with faith based groups all of the time. I work for the government, but we partner with churches and non-profits to meet our clients needs. It's going on already, so why not make a bigger impact. It works!

Thank you, Obama!

There are plenty of Non-faith based programs available that could do the same thing. I disagree with this move – the government should not be providing the church any money. Those are my tax dollars and I'd like to see them go to a charity the represent the population – not just the evangicals.

And if we are to provide them money, we need to monitor how they are using it. Not that there's corruption with today's religious leaders…

i agree with obama man this man is really intelligent and he is going to be a great president and i agree P,CA here comes the mccain smear group in 3 2 1 begin

This idea stunk when Bush came up with it.
It still stinks.
How will compliance with federal regulations be managed? Will that be the responsibility of the "regligious council" or a whole new federal regime? Or will they just wait until a whistle blower steps forward like GWB?

And how about the theology? Would money go to Islamic groups with strong links with nations on the terrorist list? And what about the folks at Trinity? Would white people want to see their tax dollars sent to a racially biased group?

This is lame–exactly who is just extended the Bush legacy here?

Libertarians 2008
Barr/Root 2008

The last thing we need is more government meddling in our lives and more tax dollars thrown away with minimal congressional/executive accountability.

Got Libety? Think again.

Good blog post… positive, focusing on issues important to faith-based groups/people, and no instant negative reaction from the Tucker Bounds posse. Right on, CNN.

Cue the PUMA, NoBama, VotePact, McHillaries, and other anti-Obama threads in 3… 2… 1…

*BOOM* PURE HATE!

You guys need to chill out.

Obama is right on. Community efforts are much more efficient. All Government does is create beauracracy and flush money down the toilet.

"I'm not saying that faith-based groups are an alternative to government or secular nonprofits. And I'm not saying that they're somehow better at lifting people up. What I'm saying is that we all have to work together — Christian and Jew, Hindu and Muslim; believer and non-believer alike — to meet the challenges of the 21st century," Obama will say, according to the remarks."

What ARE you saying???