Comments on: Obama lays out plan for faith-based groups http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ilona Hussein, Proud Canadian! http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316044 Ilona Hussein, Proud Canadian! Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:38:01 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316044 Independent woman for Obama! Thank you for your SANE COMMENT! To all of the REPUBLICANS IN DEMOCRATS CLOTHING, who are posting above! We are on to you! TO ALL BLOGGERS. Have you folks been following the CONTROVERSY about McCain's Naval Records? THIS MAN IS GETTING SUCH A FREEE RIDE FROM THE PRESS AND ELSEWHERE! Please........google......McCain's naval records.....There are numerous articles about the lack of transparency, numerous pages missing from his records. I find this one VERY INTERESTING..........Crooks and Liars > McCain's Secrecy over Navy Records... Check it out for yourselves!!!!!!!! I hope and pray that you guys wake up before it is too late! John McCain will make an absolutely terrible President. Independent woman for Obama!

Thank you for your SANE COMMENT!

To all of the REPUBLICANS IN DEMOCRATS CLOTHING, who are posting above! We are on to you!

TO ALL BLOGGERS.

Have you folks been following the CONTROVERSY about McCain's Naval Records? THIS MAN IS GETTING SUCH A FREEE RIDE FROM THE PRESS AND ELSEWHERE!

Please........google......McCain's naval records.....There are numerous articles about the lack of transparency, numerous pages missing from his records.

I find this one VERY INTERESTING..........Crooks and Liars > McCain's
Secrecy over Navy Records...

Check it out for yourselves!!!!!!!! I hope and pray that you guys wake up before it is too late! John McCain will make an absolutely terrible President.

]]> By: @HusseinIsAmerican2 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316041 @HusseinIsAmerican2 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:32:17 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316041 Obama is forward looking and that's what I need in a president! judgement that can lead us in a new direction...to save our economy, gas prices, mortgage crisis, Iraq and bring our jobs back from India & China! John McShame wants to contine continue the policies of George Bush. NEVER. NOT AGAIN. NOT THIS TIME - YOU CANNOT RAPE US FOR 4 MORE YEARS! Obama is forward looking and that's what I need in a president!

judgement that can lead us in a new direction...to save our economy, gas prices, mortgage crisis, Iraq and bring our jobs back from India & China!

John McShame wants to contine continue the policies of George Bush. NEVER. NOT AGAIN.

NOT THIS TIME – YOU CANNOT RAPE US FOR 4 MORE YEARS!

]]> By: Winkzilla, Tucson http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316030 Winkzilla, Tucson Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:23:07 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316030 We cannot trample our separation of church and state. The whole idea of church organizations is that they are supported and sustained by their members. This protects smaller religious organizations against larger religious group domination. To take tax dollars and give it to religious groups is the same as subsidizing corporations as if they are independent to the free market. If they cannot stand on their own donations, then you are subsidizing particular ideologies. You are giving bonus power to particular groups. This was in part why we had the Revolutionary War to separate from England. This is a bad idea. People always badmouth government organizations. The fact is that some have been good and some have been bad. Until our government acts according to the needs of its people, bad government organization will continue to exist. The problem we should solve is this, and not give money to holders of ideology that in turns gives them unfair advantage of power over others, rather fix our government and make it work as our founding fathers had intended. We cannot trample our separation of church and state. The whole idea of church organizations is that they are supported and sustained by their members. This protects smaller religious organizations against larger religious group domination. To take tax dollars and give it to religious groups is the same as subsidizing corporations as if they are independent to the free market. If they cannot stand on their own donations, then you are subsidizing particular ideologies. You are giving bonus power to particular groups. This was in part why we had the Revolutionary War to separate from England. This is a bad idea.

People always badmouth government organizations. The fact is that some have been good and some have been bad. Until our government acts according to the needs of its people, bad government organization will continue to exist. The problem we should solve is this, and not give money to holders of ideology that in turns gives them unfair advantage of power over others, rather fix our government and make it work as our founding fathers had intended.

]]> By: Belle2 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316021 Belle2 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:19:08 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316021 Once again, Obama opened his mouth and nothing came out. We all need to work together---how is he intending to bring this about? What will he do? Will he legislate (instead of sitting quietly in Congress)? or Will he vote for someone else's bill (vote Present or be AWOL when the bill is voted). He would have to take a stand if he actually voted on a bill and he couldn't castigate others who voted (took a stand). He believes nothing; he stands for nothing; just one big bag of wind. Once again, Obama opened his mouth and nothing came out. We all need to work together-how is he intending to bring this about? What will he do? Will he legislate (instead of sitting quietly in Congress)? or Will he vote for someone else's bill (vote Present or be AWOL when the bill is voted). He would have to take a stand if he actually voted on a bill and he couldn't castigate others who voted (took a stand). He believes nothing; he stands for nothing; just one big bag of wind.

]]> By: Annoyed by Idiocy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316014 Annoyed by Idiocy Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:17:26 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316014 to Dave, Illinois: It's called the First Amendment. You know, the one that states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The Supreme Court has since expounded upon the principle in Everson v. Board of Education and Engel v. Vitale. I learned that in a public school. But go ahead, keep acting as if you know what you are talking about. to Dave, Illinois:

It's called the First Amendment. You know, the one that states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The Supreme Court has since expounded upon the principle in Everson v. Board of Education and Engel v. Vitale. I learned that in a public school. But go ahead, keep acting as if you know what you are talking about.

]]> By: Victor in Saanich, B.C. Canada http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316005 Victor in Saanich, B.C. Canada Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:09:37 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316005 Well the flower has fallen off the plant!! Routing federal program money to faith based organizations and allowing hiring/ firing to some extent for these groups flies in the face of where the secular aspect of government should move!! AS an educated man, I cannot believe, save to kowtow to religious groups, how Obama could find merit in such an exercise. Let such groups fleece their own flocks and use it in their own misguided way to alleviate the world's problems!! Obama, you slipped on this banana peel for sure!! Well the flower has fallen off the plant!!
Routing federal program money to faith based organizations and allowing hiring/ firing to some extent for these groups flies in the face of where the secular aspect of government should move!!
AS an educated man, I cannot believe, save to kowtow to religious groups, how Obama could find merit in such an exercise. Let such groups fleece their own flocks and use it in their own misguided way to alleviate the world's problems!!
Obama, you slipped on this banana peel for sure!!

]]> By: Glenn http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316004 Glenn Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:08:48 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316004 CNN posted another photo op with McCain not wearing the American flag lapel pin(see CNN article: "In challenge to McCain, majority against free trade). This is a obviouis example of McCain's unAmerican views, lack of American patriotism, probably communistic and atheist beliefs and behaviors. Thanks CNN for capturing this "proof." But what's up with so-called patriotic policemen, Limp Bushbaugh and Karl Rove? They who have so gallantly brought attention of Obama not wearing a flag pin and yet they have not roasted McCain. What's up with this? What wrong with this picture? Where is the love for our country going? Down the tubes? The shame! The shame! PS They recently showed a video of the porker, Limpbaugh, ranting on his own radio show and he was not wearing an American flag. What's up with this? Limpbaugh is another one of those GOP ex-druggies. Where were his morals when he did the liberal fantasy tripping? CNN posted another photo op with McCain not wearing the American flag lapel pin(see CNN article: "In challenge to McCain, majority against free trade). This is a obviouis example of McCain's unAmerican views, lack of American patriotism, probably communistic and atheist beliefs and behaviors. Thanks CNN for capturing this "proof." But what's up with so-called patriotic policemen, Limp Bushbaugh and Karl Rove? They who have so gallantly brought attention of Obama not wearing a flag pin and yet they have not roasted McCain. What's up with this? What wrong with this picture? Where is the love for our country going? Down the tubes? The shame! The shame!

PS They recently showed a video of the porker, Limpbaugh, ranting on his own radio show and he was not wearing an American flag. What's up with this? Limpbaugh is another one of those GOP ex-druggies. Where were his morals when he did the liberal fantasy tripping?

]]> By: Belle2 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1316003 Belle2 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:08:19 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1316003 What is this? Obama's version of a million points of light. What is this? Obama's version of a million points of light.

]]> By: Lisa Que http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315999 Lisa Que Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:06:57 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315999 YES WE CAN AND WE WILL VOTE NOBAMA. Who does this man think that he's fooling?? PUMA (PAC) YES WE CAN AND WE WILL VOTE NOBAMA.

Who does this man think that he's fooling??

PUMA (PAC)

]]> By: Lim http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315998 Lim Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:06:34 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315998 NObama's new campaign slogan: YES, WE SCAM! NObama's new campaign slogan: YES, WE SCAM!

]]> By: K http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315994 K Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:05:09 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315994 "Cybercast News cites a report from the secretary of the Senate which says women working in Obama's Senate office were paid, on average, about $6,000 less than men. And, of the five people in Obama's office who earn more than $100,000 a year, only one is a woman. But in John McCain's Senate office, the average pay for women is $2,500 more than men." Wow, how about that "sweetie." "Cybercast News cites a report from the secretary of the Senate which says women working in Obama's Senate office were paid, on average, about $6,000 less than men. And, of the five people in Obama's office who earn more than $100,000 a year, only one is a woman.

But in John McCain's Senate office, the average pay for women is $2,500 more than men."

Wow, how about that "sweetie."

]]> By: Shelly in IL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315993 Shelly in IL Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:03:47 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315993 Keep faith out of politics. Not everyone is a believer in those things. All you need to do is the job and do it well. Keep faith out of politics. Not everyone is a believer in those things. All you need to do is the job and do it well.

]]> By: Anthony http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315991 Anthony Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:02:58 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315991 The so-called clinton supporters on this thread ( called Pumas) are in reality all republican trolls. See the article in Politico .com. Do not believe the hype!! They are garbage. Obama supporters: Unite and face the enemy, the forces of darkness, the supporters of Bush-Mccain. The so-called clinton supporters on this thread ( called Pumas) are in reality all republican trolls. See the article in Politico .com. Do not believe the hype!! They are garbage.

Obama supporters: Unite and face the enemy, the forces of darkness, the supporters of Bush-Mccain.

]]> By: Texas Hill Country http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315990 Texas Hill Country Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:02:50 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315990 How many positions could he possibly flip flop on and how many core Democratic principles and people could he possibly throw under the bus? Just Say No Deal. A Proud Capital Hill Forum PUMA member. How many positions could he possibly flip flop on and how many core Democratic principles and people could he possibly throw under the bus?

Just Say No Deal.

A Proud Capital Hill Forum PUMA member.

]]> By: skunkrat The Marine http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315989 skunkrat The Marine Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:02:29 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315989 I have made a decision, since you are attempting to enrich a bunch of greedy preacher in return for their support, I will NOT VOTE FOR YOU. I will simply stay home you are a phony. Sen. Obama you are not about change, you are about getting elected. I have made a decision, since you are attempting to enrich a bunch of greedy preacher in return for their support, I will NOT VOTE FOR YOU. I will simply stay home you are a phony. Sen. Obama you are not about change, you are about getting elected.

]]> By: skunkrat The Marine http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315974 skunkrat The Marine Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:56:35 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315974 Sen. Obama, I support you but, the moment sense that you are trying to merge religion & Government is when I will not vote for you. Your obsession with faith is beginning to sound like that of GEORGE BUSH. Sen. Obama, I support you but, the moment sense that you are trying to merge religion & Government is when I will not vote for you. Your obsession with faith is beginning to sound like that of GEORGE BUSH.

]]> By: Val http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315973 Val Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:56:13 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315973 I can't stand Obama - he makes me sick to my stomach! He now attacks MoveOn.org when he needs conservative vote, oh please. Where was he last year when this despicable organization ran that ad? People, BEWARE - Obama is a very dangerous man. He doesn't care about anyone, but himself. Let me spell it for you: E-L-I-T-I-S-T. Oh, and I forgot to mention that he is a socialist also. I can't stand Obama – he makes me sick to my stomach! He now attacks MoveOn.org when he needs conservative vote, oh please. Where was he last year when this despicable organization ran that ad? People, BEWARE – Obama is a very dangerous man. He doesn't care about anyone, but himself. Let me spell it for you: E-L-I-T-I-S-T. Oh, and I forgot to mention that he is a socialist also.

]]> By: to R.I.F. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315970 to R.I.F. Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:55:52 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315970 R.I.F., you are totally right!!!!!!! obama '08 R.I.F.,
you are totally right!!!!!!!

obama '08

]]> By: john williams san diego, ca. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315965 john williams san diego, ca. Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:54:55 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315965 all these pro Obama groups are under funded because they don't know how to apply for federal funding? Taxpayers get ready for a big Change, socialism is on the way. all these pro Obama groups are under funded because they don't know how to apply for federal funding? Taxpayers get ready for a big Change, socialism is on the way.

]]> By: Rena http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315958 Rena Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:53:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315958 Well if any of you are true Christians then you would know that Jesus, commanded us as believers to feed the poor, tend to the sick, and visit the prisons, etc. So, he is right. We as the church should be doing these things and not the government. The problem Obama will have with this is that the churches today have become so money hungry they have forgotten what their real purpose is. It's not about building big churches and growing large congregations. That's why they can't meet the need of the people because they are too busy building elaborate buildings and putting the money in their own pockets. If he can first address those issues then he will be able to get the church to do what is was originally intended for. Now let the church say AMEN!!! Well if any of you are true Christians then you would know that Jesus, commanded us as believers to feed the poor, tend to the sick, and visit the prisons, etc. So, he is right. We as the church should be doing these things and not the government. The problem Obama will have with this is that the churches today have become so money hungry they have forgotten what their real purpose is. It's not about building big churches and growing large congregations. That's why they can't meet the need of the people because they are too busy building elaborate buildings and putting the money in their own pockets. If he can first address those issues then he will be able to get the church to do what is was originally intended for.

Now let the church say AMEN!!!

]]> By: proud army and navy mom http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315950 proud army and navy mom Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:51:17 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315950 thank you senator obama, you can show bush and his war criminal partners, how to run the faith-based initiative and not just talk about. I love this guy, he is soooooo smart. it's quite refreshing after 8 years of illiterate bush thank you senator obama, you can show bush and his war criminal partners, how to run the faith-based initiative and not just talk about. I love this guy, he is soooooo smart. it's quite refreshing after 8 years of illiterate bush

]]> By: aware http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315948 aware Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:50:20 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315948 Pander plus! Put your toothy grin back in your pocket Obama. A universalist with no moral center has nothing credible to say to evangelicals! :( Pander plus!

Put your toothy grin back in your pocket Obama. A universalist with no moral center has nothing credible to say to evangelicals! :(

]]> By: Obama-Junkie, IL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315946 Obama-Junkie, IL Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:49:53 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315946 Good idea Obama! This is the type of president you get when the experience ranges from community organizing to civil rights law to constitutional law to politician as opposed from military aviator to politician! Rock On Obama! Good idea Obama! This is the type of president you get when the experience ranges from community organizing to civil rights law to constitutional law to politician as opposed from military aviator to politician!

Rock On Obama!

]]> By: Peter E http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315928 Peter E Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:47:02 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315928 So, when Bush gives taxpayer money to religious groups for charitable community work it's 'an erosion of the separation of church and state.' But when Obama does exactly the same thing (even wanting to increase funds, apparently) he's just being good-willed? Double-standards: the war-cry of the knee-jerk demopublican/repucratic voters. They think that replacing the name and the letter after the name will bring change... So, when Bush gives taxpayer money to religious groups for charitable community work it's 'an erosion of the separation of church and state.' But when Obama does exactly the same thing (even wanting to increase funds, apparently) he's just being good-willed?
Double-standards: the war-cry of the knee-jerk demopublican/repucratic voters. They think that replacing the name and the letter after the name will bring change...

]]> By: Peter E http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315904 Peter E Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:43:07 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315904 Laughing my head off! When Bush started public support of religious groups that do charity work the left went into overdrive criticizing him for imposing a religious dogma. Now that Obama wants to give taxpayer dollars to religious groups you think he's being smart about it? Obama even admits he's just following in the footsteps and completing the work that Clinton and Bush started, doing precisely what his predecessors did. And he even says that what was wrong is that these programs were underfunded. He wants to EXPAND this program, give it MORE taxpayer money than Bush has. Where is the left's criticism now? Blind-sight is 0/0... Laughing my head off! When Bush started public support of religious groups that do charity work the left went into overdrive criticizing him for imposing a religious dogma. Now that Obama wants to give taxpayer dollars to religious groups you think he's being smart about it? Obama even admits he's just following in the footsteps and completing the work that Clinton and Bush started, doing precisely what his predecessors did. And he even says that what was wrong is that these programs were underfunded. He wants to EXPAND this program, give it MORE taxpayer money than Bush has. Where is the left's criticism now?
Blind-sight is 0/0...

]]> By: Marilyn http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315881 Marilyn Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:40:00 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315881 NO tax dollars should EVER support any religious organization. Period. If churches and church affiliated groups want government money, then they should pay taxes like the rest of us! NO tax dollars should EVER support any religious organization. Period. If churches and church affiliated groups want government money, then they should pay taxes like the rest of us!

]]> By: Tina, NC http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315879 Tina, NC Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:39:31 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315879 Christian Democrat, AMEN!!!!!!! Christian Democrat,

AMEN!!!!!!!

]]> By: Michele Hussein, Oregon http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315869 Michele Hussein, Oregon Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:38:28 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315869 Just because the Bush administration is a failure, does not mean that everything they have ever done is a failure. I commend Senator Obama for continuing to support faith-based groups helping people in their own communities. Even those not religiously inclined might have eyes to see that a large portion of the good being done to help the homeless, feed the hungry, house pregnant women who choose to have their children, building playgrounds, providing childcare and after-school programs, ministering to AIDS patients, etc. are staffed by those in faith-based organizations. We just have to be careful to make sure that services do not exclude ANYONE on the basis of race, religion, gender or orientation if they are to receive federal funds. And religious organizations have the right to opt out of funding if they feel that they must water down their beliefs to be beholden to the government. A win-win situation. Just because the Bush administration is a failure, does not mean that everything they have ever done is a failure.

I commend Senator Obama for continuing to support faith-based groups helping people in their own communities. Even those not religiously inclined might have eyes to see that a large portion of the good being done to help the homeless, feed the hungry, house pregnant women who choose to have their children, building playgrounds, providing childcare and after-school programs, ministering to AIDS patients, etc. are staffed by those in faith-based organizations.

We just have to be careful to make sure that services do not exclude ANYONE on the basis of race, religion, gender or orientation if they are to receive federal funds. And religious organizations have the right to opt out of funding if they feel that they must water down their beliefs to be beholden to the government. A win-win situation.

]]> By: Peter E http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315864 Peter E Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:37:29 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315864 Gasp... a ticker talking about an actual issue? Unheard of! Gasp... a ticker talking about an actual issue? Unheard of!

]]> By: Pat in Cali http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315849 Pat in Cali Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:35:40 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315849 The hiring or not hiring based on religious belief makes sense for the non-Federally funded activities. You would not hire a rabbi to lead as a Baptist preacher. That would make an interesting employment discrimination law suit. The hiring or not hiring based on religious belief makes sense for the non-Federally funded activities.

You would not hire a rabbi to lead as a Baptist preacher. That would make an interesting employment discrimination law suit.

]]> By: Tim Hutchins http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315845 Tim Hutchins Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:35:19 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315845 Why is this such a great idea now that Obama is saying it, but it was criminal and nasty when President Bush put it into action? Why is this such a great idea now that Obama is saying it, but it was criminal and nasty when President Bush put it into action?

]]> By: Chipster http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315844 Chipster Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:34:55 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315844 If Sen. Obama supports federal funding, while allowing religious discrimination in hiring practices, he will immediately lose my support. I will never, ever vote for Sen. McCain but there's no point in voting for someone who approves of discrimination in any form and I certainly don't want my taxes used to support such vile policies. If Sen. Obama supports federal funding, while allowing religious discrimination in hiring practices, he will immediately lose my support.

I will never, ever vote for Sen. McCain but there's no point in voting for someone who approves of discrimination in any form and I certainly don't want my taxes used to support such vile policies.

]]> By: David Illinois http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315839 David Illinois Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:34:30 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315839 To Jay- get used to it buddy. The man will show so many sides by the time this election is over.....Are you all starting to see him for what he is? Just another same old chicago Pol ....He sold you a bill of goods. The sad thing is so many in the Democratic party are still buying it. Premature grab for power. Nothing more. When will he start voting "Present" again....just so he doesn't have to take a stand. Oh, he has started doing that already. My mistake. Drink the Kool Aid kiddies. You have been taken in by a huckster pure and simple. To Jay- get used to it buddy. The man will show so many sides by the time this election is over.....Are you all starting to see him for what he is? Just another same old chicago Pol ....He sold you a bill of goods. The sad thing is so many in the Democratic party are still buying it. Premature grab for power. Nothing more. When will he start voting "Present" again....just so he doesn't have to take a stand. Oh, he has started doing that already. My mistake. Drink the Kool Aid kiddies. You have been taken in by a huckster pure and simple.

]]> By: It takes sound judgement, not experience http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315826 It takes sound judgement, not experience Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:33:11 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315826 Obama could walk on water, feed the hungry, obtain world peace, make us all rich and some of you would still hate him. Get over yourselves and open your heart to another emotion besides hate. You might actually be happy for a change. Obama could walk on water, feed the hungry, obtain world peace, make us all rich and some of you would still hate him. Get over yourselves and open your heart to another emotion besides hate. You might actually be happy for a change.

]]> By: mg http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315821 mg Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:32:46 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315821 This seems like an end around for this marxist to begin government control of religion. The silliest rumor out there is that he is a muslim. Ridiculous, he is an ardent radical marxist like Stanley, his mother. Marxist believe in the power of government and the uselessness of religions in general. This seems like an end around for this marxist to begin government control of religion. The silliest rumor out there is that he is a muslim. Ridiculous, he is an ardent radical marxist like Stanley, his mother. Marxist believe in the power of government and the uselessness of religions in general.

]]> By: Alex http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315819 Alex Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:32:43 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315819 people, US is a very religious country. I am not, but when he talks about this... it brings positive views...however this type of talk conservatives hate..conservates don't like to help out the homeless and the poor, people, US is a very religious country. I am not, but when he talks about this... it brings positive views...however this type of talk conservatives hate..conservates don't like to help out the homeless and the poor,

]]> By: Rob indetroit http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315813 Rob indetroit Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:31:47 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315813 SOUNDS LIKE THE QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT TO ALL AMERICANS. SOUNDS LIKE THE QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT TO ALL AMERICANS.

]]> By: The Voice http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315792 The Voice Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:29:42 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315792 Faith based initiatives is a complete scam! It started by Bush! this program was created for religion to infiltrate the goverment and now it's impacting politicial decision making. We are using tax dollar funds for people pretending to provide public services, they are just cashing the checks just AFDC, Unemployment, Workmans comp etc., this is just another way to scam the goverment. I would of thought Obama would destroy this so called program, this a flaut out political move to win the evangelical vote! Faith based initiatives is a complete scam! It started by Bush! this program was created for religion to infiltrate the goverment and now it's impacting politicial decision making.

We are using tax dollar funds for people pretending to provide public services, they are just cashing the checks just AFDC, Unemployment, Workmans comp etc., this is just another way to scam the goverment.

I would of thought Obama would destroy this so called program, this a flaut out political move to win the evangelical vote!

]]> By: People come on http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315777 People come on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:27:05 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315777 strangely people don't know how to read and always screws up information when it's right there in your face. READ PEOPLE READ!!!!!! on one blog they said that obama will have this put in place so that they can hire and fire based on religion which is what he DOESN'T want to happen. he wants the communities around to get involed and the gov. can fund it why not helping out never hurt anyone it would be better maybe we could make our home better and next the world. who knows. but as a positive person this might make some negative people angry. get over yourselves let's move this thing forward please? strangely people don't know how to read and always screws up information when it's right there in your face. READ PEOPLE READ!!!!!! on one blog they said that obama will have this put in place so that they can hire and fire based on religion which is what he DOESN'T want to happen. he wants the communities around to get involed and the gov. can fund it why not helping out never hurt anyone it would be better maybe we could make our home better and next the world. who knows. but as a positive person this might make some negative people angry. get over yourselves let's move this thing forward please?

]]> By: David Illinois http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315775 David Illinois Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:26:57 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315775 Great idea. As he panders to the religious right in this country. Yeah, Let's give some money to the likes of Rev. Wright....remember him the racist who was Obama minister for what was it 20 years....and he never heard a sermon based on race?????Please. This man is such a liar and pandering pol. Make more room under the bus it is going to get crowed down there when this guy is done with it all. PUMA? you bet. Great idea. As he panders to the religious right in this country. Yeah, Let's give some money to the likes of Rev. Wright....remember him the racist who was Obama minister for what was it 20 years....and he never heard a sermon based on race?????Please.
This man is such a liar and pandering pol. Make more room under the bus it is going to get crowed down there when this guy is done with it all. PUMA? you bet.

]]> By: STILL FOR HILL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315766 STILL FOR HILL Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:25:37 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315766 Pander... Pander.... I think Obama already knows how to get federal money to the churches... Ask Rev Pfueger... He got an earmark... I don't understand why Trinity has not lost its tax exempt status yet for allowing pastors to preach politics at church... The only place Obama gets more more positive coverage than Trinity is on CNN and MSNBC. Still for Hill, but voting McCain Pander... Pander....

I think Obama already knows how to get federal money to the churches... Ask Rev Pfueger... He got an earmark...

I don't understand why Trinity has not lost its tax exempt status yet for allowing pastors to preach politics at church... The only place Obama gets more more positive coverage than Trinity is on CNN and MSNBC.

Still for Hill, but voting McCain

]]> By: DJ, LA, CA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315761 DJ, LA, CA Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:25:11 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315761 Makes sense...there's a lof of great things faith-based or religious groups can do for their communities. Obama is smart to embrace them and try to win them over from the GOP. Makes sense...there's a lof of great things faith-based or religious groups can do for their communities. Obama is smart to embrace them and try to win them over from the GOP.

]]> By: demwit http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315749 demwit Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:23:47 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315749 Oh...., faith based groups like the one Reverend Jeremiah Wright is controlling in Chicago... Oh...., faith based groups like the one Reverend Jeremiah Wright is controlling in Chicago...

]]> By: Jai in PA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315737 Jai in PA Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:23:03 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315737 I disagreed with it when Bush proposed it and I disagree now. The general concept is fine, but implementation is a problem. It is a slipery slope that will end up discriminating against certain religions. I am still supporting the candidate, but I hope he will rethink his position on this matter. I disagreed with it when Bush proposed it and I disagree now. The general concept is fine, but implementation is a problem. It is a slipery slope that will end up discriminating against certain religions. I am still supporting the candidate, but I hope he will rethink his position on this matter.

]]> By: Lisa http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315706 Lisa Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:18:16 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315706 Not one dime of my taxpayer money should be going to any faith based group. I, as an individual American citizen, allocate charitable funds as I see appropriate, to groups based on their works. Sometime an organization may be faith based, some time not. Separation of church and state MUST be an absolute. Period. No taxpayer money funneled through religious groups, EVER. PERIOD. EVER. Not one dime of my taxpayer money should be going to any faith based group. I, as an individual American citizen, allocate charitable funds as I see appropriate, to groups based on their works. Sometime an organization may be faith based, some time not.

Separation of church and state MUST be an absolute. Period. No taxpayer money funneled through religious groups, EVER. PERIOD. EVER.

]]> By: Phil in KC http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315690 Phil in KC Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:15:30 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315690 I am an Obama supporter, but I disagree with him on this one. Not one cent of public money to religion-based organizations. I have nothing against them and they do good work, but that is tantamount to government backing of a specific religion. It flies in the face of separation of church and state - one of the founding principals of our country. All he's doing is pandering to the so-called "Christian Coalition" for votes. I'm very disappointed. I am an Obama supporter, but I disagree with him on this one. Not one cent of public money to religion-based organizations. I have nothing against them and they do good work, but that is tantamount to government backing of a specific religion. It flies in the face of separation of church and state – one of the founding principals of our country.
All he's doing is pandering to the so-called "Christian Coalition" for votes. I'm very disappointed.

]]> By: bd http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315678 bd Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:13:35 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315678 The Obama sheep are amazing and arrogant. If this would have been a GOP member... its unconstitutional. Amazing... the arrogance is thick in this group. The Obama sheep are amazing and arrogant. If this would have been a GOP member... its unconstitutional. Amazing... the arrogance is thick in this group.

]]> By: Jan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315670 Jan Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:12:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315670 If this man is elected, think of how trinity church and Mr Wright will benefit--they will be paid to destroy America! If this man is elected, think of how trinity church and Mr Wright will benefit–they will be paid to destroy America!

]]> By: troy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315631 troy Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:08:03 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315631 Isn't this forcing people who have no religious affiliation to pay tithes? Isn't this forcing people who have no religious affiliation to pay tithes?

]]> By: wiser http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/01/obama-lays-out-plan-for-faith-based-groups/#comment-1315598 wiser Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:03:00 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=8325#comment-1315598 Just what we needed a Democrat like Bush! This is what politicians do when they don’t have good ideas to help the US with its problems. Democrats for McCain! A real leader with character and experience! Just what we needed a Democrat like Bush!

This is what politicians do when they don’t have good ideas to help the US with its problems.

Democrats for McCain! A real leader with character and experience!

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