Poor Hillary. She was defeated due to one of the reasons was Iraq troop withdrawal. Now after he won, he changed his position. Not sure on what else will he "change" if he wins the general election.

McNixon will be in Iraq for 100 years.

No obama that is NOT what you said – We were listening during the primary – and you have LIED – again!

Obama is an Arrogant, Radical Fraud – and NOT qualified to lead our country.

I guess since Obama was selected as the presumptive nominee based solely on speeches that he thinks his followers are not smart enough to see what he is doing. He is changing his positions on almost every stance he took in the primary.

I have faith that most of his supporters will see right through him and not vote for such a chameleon.

Just Say No Deal!

I agree with you "Independent for facts" what Iraq needs is a peace keeping force. We can keep some special troops to make sure Al Queda does not form a base there like in Afghanistan.
There is nothing flip-floping about listening to generals on the ground have to say. But the president sets the agenda and the generals give their advice. Lets not forget it was president Bush and Congress (McCain was a strong supporter of the war) that decided we go to WAR without concrete evidence.The fact is we are in Iraq because of president Bush's "idea" of a democratic Iraq. We have to seriously consider the ideology of pple we vote for. Politicians will always be politicians because its the way we are as human beings (we will say anything to get what we want). I hope the media will ask McCain what he saw in the intelligence documents that made him support the war so strongly at the start. (we know the democrats were chicken)
Its all about ideology. Politicians will always change what they say because the people with the power ( voters) change what they say. But the ideology of a person never changes

One thing's certain. Barack will get us out of Iraq. McCain will not. The cost in support and lives has well exceeded our limits.

There is only one choice this election and that's Barack Obama

Same old Obama. We just need someone from the campaign to tell us what he really meant. An Obamatranslator……..

Well, it's a very nuanced argument, and I don't know if many people get it. As you are surrounded by politicians these days, remember to be grounded in Christ and commune w/ Him at night.

I know John McCain's faith is weak, but your faith is stronger, so use it. Remember, the historical Christ might be dead, but his spirit is very much alive. Rather than ask Him, how do I bring victory, ask Him how do I bring peace to His people? Knock, and He will answer. How strong is your faith?

As a leader of the country, your obligation is to look out for the welfare of the people in this country. As a Christian, your obligation is to look out for the welfare of His people – which is practically everybody. As God said, there's nothing wrong w/ being selfish and watch out for your interest, as long as you define that self to include everybody.

It's laughable that the McSham campaign would even consider jumping on these comments since Grampy can't even keep Iran and Iraq or Sunni and Shi'ites straight (unless Lieberman or Lindsey Graham have their hand up his back moving his mouth). Maybe he should rename his broken down bus and new plane. Now if that broken down bus isn't a metaphor for McCain's prospects in this election, I don't know what is!

I have been following all candidates carefully since they all started campaigning. With respect to Obama's position on the war on Iraq, it has not changed.I am quite surprised by how the media has over blown the statements Mr. Obama made.
The fact is that Mr. Obama wants to get US out of Iraq asap. I dont think his position has changed. Now it may not happen in the 16 months he has suggested.
But having a president who intends to bring an end to this war asap, is a huge difference from one who intends to stay in Iraq for 10+ yrs.(ie McCain) This war is killing our economy people. At least 10 BILLION a month! I am glad Iraq is stable now – so we can leave. We need a president who can convince our allies especially in the Middle East and Europe so we can have a peace keeping force in Iraq.

He was for withdrawl from Iraq before he was against it. Love how he duped the Looney Left to win the primary and how abandons them in his quest for the big house. Duped, hoodwinked, and bamboozeled.

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning…

You better stay consistent with your message, or become Bobby Jinda (Two face).

I, a stupid man, understand Obama's stance on Irak better than the so called great journalists. There is no shift on this. You better go back to the previous debates if you want to understand the man. He is clear on this one!

"If you look at our position, it's been very consistent. The notion that we have to get out carefully has been a consistent position,"

You know, he really needs to start taking responsibility for HIS positions. When something is in question, it is always "Our". A leader takes responsibility.

and he has.

Obama has been very consistent. It's the same message when he's up and when he's down. The media is the one that inconsistent looking for a story. Go to BarackObama.com or the Daily Kos. CNN has lost the trust of viewers trying to be like with Fox "fix" news.

I'm voting for Obama 08!!!!!!!!

welll,, go figure,, the reporters only report what they feel is important and stretch out the bad/good,, dependin on who it is ,,,, this wr does need to come to a end,, and ast,, like bush said months ago that he would send troops home.. well now he says he wants that extension and more troops,, umm makes one think a bit huh??? reporters always want stories and they can blow them out of whack,, lol,, yea right,,,, but obama,, stay cool,, your change will make a difference and im reay for it 100%

He has a very hard time thinking on his feet. He makes a great speech, but he has that in front of him when giving his speech. This is at least the second flip flop on the war and the time table to bring the troops home. He has now flip flopped on the war, abortion rights, FISA, trade,etc. Check Puma out and you will get some great insights to what some great Democrats are trying to do to make sure her name is placed into nomination and they are working on the super delegates to support her, because Obama can not win the general election and she will.

2 and a half hours later. same comment pending. Is this Fox News?

WOW!!! Did you see that flying monkey?

Yeah Right Snowbama!!!

PUMA!!!

I added a comment a couple hours ago. It was negative on the media, I see it never made it through. Confirms my point, I guess.

He insists, he has been lying all the way through. He insists the whole world is behind smears except he. Barrack Soros wrapped up DNC and whole America with it's money. CNN won't publish it as usual.

We need a president who is willing to make changes when and IF they are necessary. Who wants another George Bush who will NEVER admit he's wrong and NEVER change his mind even when he KNOWS he's wrong…..stay the course no matter what it costs or who gets killed. Personally I've had enough of that.

Barack, you know the 10 times rule already. Because of who you are, and who your father was, to challenge the pathological narcissist your plight is to perform 10 times better, state your position 10 times more with 10 times the accuracy, show 10 times the patriotism. Continue with 10 times the knowledge, because you have already 10 times the integrity, education and leadership skills. Keep your head up, you know the game…just make sure you play 10 times more fairly.

So I appreciate that Mr. Obama is a Senator, yet he is not retired, and he is worth a great deal of money from a good career and thus could be an excellent Member of Congress, but he is a democrat.

The individual independent is America, and I could argue that the party system has robbed the American populous of all the good independents by simply existing, but the job is just not worth it for those of common capital interest when in comparison to market share and thus it only invites those who want the position as a financial or personal play thing, like through a party.

What is the job pool for President? What of a 'by federal public' nominational and 'State jury checked' processing for candidacy along with the current electoral college. Those announced as running for the federal high offices must stop their public campaign funding upon the acceptance for federal registration, and this while state registrations is streamlined for federal elections which would record the nationwide inclusion of all naturally born citizens as to there nomination counts; self nomination also counts, and a party only petitions and presents for a change by Constitutional ammendment and those of such a party are not always required in office.

You the American people are congress, you just use a representative, the President is everyones employee, as are all Presidents when you use their product or service.

I have been aware of the Media coverage for a while. I understand how the game is played inorder to make news. CNN is no different from any other news station and if they see an opportunity to provide negative press they will do it. I dont feel like they are bias they just no that Obama is winning so far so they have to try give McCain something to work with.

He absolutely HAS been saying the same thing since 2002. The one's who distort this are the same ones who take a part of a sentence and turn it into something they can "use". The same old republican tricks–NOT THIS TIME! Not gonna work! GO AWAY MONGERS!

Obama must believe we are all stupid and easily fooled. He is anything but consistent. He said what people wanted to hear during the primary and now he is saying what he needs to say to get elected. How is Obama any different than any other politician?

Clearly John McCain and the Republicans can't hear. Obama has been entirely consistent on his position. He plans to pull out the troops within 16 months…. but in a safe manner. He hasn't changed his position…. he isn't flip-flopping at all. He is going to talk to the generals and gather information on "HOW" to organize a safe exit strategy. That is what good leaders do…. they gather good information before making a strategic move. Too bad McCain didn't take the time to read the intelligence reports before sending IN the troops.

Obama don't worry most reasonable people understand what you are saying and we love you here in canada i wish we could vote.

This is silly. Obama spoke out against the war before it even started and has been speaking out against it ever since. Now the Republicans are trying to portray him as if he isn't all that interested in getting out. All this while McCain says he's okay with troops being there for decades.

Now all of a sudden we want to question Obama's intentions because he's not so dogmatic as to say that nothing can influence the arbitrary timeline he has proposed. Ridiculous!

This would be funny except that the Republicans have tried this before: attacking Kerry on his Vietnam service.

yes CNN, you are guilty of this as well..you are following the McShame's camp talking points!

THE PRESS HAS HAD A BORING WEEK APART FROM THE RESCUE OF THE HOSTAGES…THEREFORE, THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE NEWS OF SOMETHING ANY SENSIBLE PERSON WILL SAY….OBAMA HAS sAID HE WILL END THE WAR, NEVERTHELESS, WHEN HE IS BETTER INFORMED AFTER HIS VISIT HE WILL BE A BETTER PLACE TO GIVE SPECIFICS AND REFINE HIS POSITION. HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND.? MY HIGH SCHOOLER FOUND SOME OF THE PRESS QUESTIONS SO JUVENILE, AS IF THE WERE SCRAPING THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TO FIND A SPIN FOR THE JULY 4TH WEEKEND. COMMON PRESS PEOPLE…..WE ARE AN EDUCATED PUBLIC! PLEASE PROVIDE IS WITH THE INFORMATION NOT AN INTERPRETATON OF IT!

This guy Barack is about as consistent as any politician that is willing to sell his soul to get elected. I just feel sorry for the American people, because when they eventually find out what they bought it will be too late. He offers nothing when it comes to solutions, he just talks and talks and talks and talks some more.

Obama is like Cotton Candy, it looks good till you have it and realize its nothing but sugar. He doesn't even know what he would do if he is elected. How he can be up in the polls is beyond belief.

The stock market has been bracing for this guy to be elected and believe me a great deal of this country's wealth will leave this country if this moron on business is elected.

He will do nothing for the oil crisis, Dr. No.
He will tax businesses that are employing people.
He will tax us because he didn't think Bush's tax breaks were a good thing for the economy, when all the facts say they created a millions of jobs.

Well with this empty suit, you can be guaranteed of one thing with his taxes, and that is the loss of millions of jobs over four years. Don't believe me, just ask anybody that understands business.

Barack will try to replace business with government, and its scary, trying to create jobs by artificially creating it in Congress. When did the government ever do anything invovative for the economy? The answer is never.

I am not surprised, the reporter are going along with what John McCain
is saying

Tucker Bounds said and who is Tucker Bounds supposed to be
He's just another mouth piece for Mccain. Just cause Tucker Bounds
said dont make it true just another person pushing a story and mincing words. Nobody and mean nobody can lie like mccain and
he has already said he will keep the troops there for another 100
years and iam quit sure that he will bomb bomb bomb Iran if he is
elected.
So shout up Tucker Bounds you make me sick, you and you boss
john mcain.

Yes, Obama has been very consistent on his stand regarding Iraq – he was unspoken against it from the beginning when it was very unpopular to be and he has consistently said he will begin withdrawing troops immediately. I don't even know why this is an issue, more repuglican smear tactics to brainwash people and some are too stupid to realize it. Shame on them. Mccain has been consistent too – he has no plan.

CNN……I wasn't saying anything that I hadn't said before. That I didn't say a year ago. Or when I was a U.S. senator. If you look at our position, it's been very consistent. The notion that we have to get out carefully has been a consistent position," ……….LOOKING for a FLIP FLOP………They need to talk to McSame's Camp it's plenty of flip flopping going on @that CAMP

I think he is young handsome, ambitious and understandly confused about his place in society and more importantly his desire to be President of a nation and a mighty dollar in question. Show me the money and how your decisions will affect the rest of the world especially Iraq and Afghanistan. No more flip flops.

Could someone please tell me what McCain's position on the Iraq war is besides wanting to stay there for maybe 100 years…or at the minimum, at least another 5 years?

If we stay another five years, we'll be in debt another trillion or so to China. Great way to invest in America! Obama for President!

WHY NOT RELEASE SOMETHING HIDE BY DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BRINGBACK PEOPLE THREATENING TO WALK OUT OF THE PARTY UNITY. THEY KNEW NOTHING AND CARE NOTHING WHEN FINALLY RIGGED VOTE TO PUT SEN. CLINTON ,OUT OF THE BATTLE RACE, PORTRAYING OBAMA., CAUSING VOTERS THE NEED TO GO SOME WHERE ELSE////

The Press most times just heat up issues when there are none and GOP as usual will try to take advantage of these "gaff" which at the end of the day makes them look silly. The guy is only saying his visit will inform his strategy for pulling out. That is not flip flop to me, that only makes sense.

obama 08!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is absolutely correct, he has been very consistant with this and he has not changed his position. It is unbelievable to me how the press is caring on about this. He has always said we had to get out as carefully as we were careless getting in. He has always said that he would give the commanders on the ground a "new mission" to bring the war to an end. And he has always said he would do this at a pace of 1-2 brigades per month, keeping in mind the safety of the military. So why the uproar….other than to have McCain change the subject….the press should be wiser than that. Shame on the press….we want honest coverage not slanted to make a headline or story.

He has been consistent. He has been consistent in changing on Iraq everyday . My memory isn't that bad . I remmeber him saying he would get the troops out immiedately. Then it was over a short period of time, then it was over 16 months . I think the last time I heard anything on his policy it was immiedate again. He is consistent. He is consistently cganging his mind. He is all about change.

Personally, I would rather have a president who did adjust his plans based on the current situation on the ground, who displayed intelligent dileberation before making any moves, and who did not lock himself into any particular position. This is leadership…… the opposit is stupidity and is exactly what got us into the war in Iraq in the first place. Obama is showing himself as the thoughtful leader I knew he is. He is amazing. Even Lincoln adjusted his plans based on how the war was going, not his position on the war…just his way of going about winning it. This is the type of diliberate leadership we need. I trust a man more who is not afraid to change his plans for the good of others than those who are so rigid they stick to the same dogma as destruction rains down upon them.

Yes he has. He wants US to cut and run and let the Muslims win.

Obama is a bigger flip flopper then Kerry and he hasn't even been swift boated yet. He's not qualified and I do not trust him.

Nobama not now not ever.

Puma Power!

Say it ain't so Hillary. You don't want
to be seen with that girlie man.

He is a changer all right. He changes his
positions faster that an infant's diapers get
changed.

Wow

Seems the Republicans are grasping at straws, and the MSM is only too happy to provide the haystack…

Honestly, what Obama said about Iraq recently is consistent with what he's said throughout. I don't think McCain is going to score points with this, not when he's got his own mountain of flip-flops to justify.

Isn't that the way it always is with politicians? One lie begets another. Having vigorously followed the primary elections and debates, and being of "average" intelligence, I know what Obama said about getting out of Iraq. I know what Hillary's stance was, and I know what John McCain has said. I know how they all criticized one another. And I also know what Obama is now saying — and it matches not with what he said in the past. I hope Wolf Blitzer and the "best political reporters" at CNN really dig into this and go back to get correct statements on getting out of Iraq. If Wolf can show me how Barack has NOT switched his beliefs about Iraq, then I'll immediately make an appointment with a shrink.

Obama really has been consistent on Iraq. I honestly don't know how the media allows McCain's goonies to dictate to them what their take on something will be. Everyone keeps saying that the press is easy on Obama. I guess they were hibernating during the Rev. Wright scandal, while McCain made and still make at least a gaffe a day. This is evidenced by his shake-up in his campaign staff.

You reporters at CNN and other networks make entirely too much money to not investigate things and present them in an unbiased way.

doesn't obama watch recordings of what he says on debates or the campaign trail. this man continually distorts what he has said on previous occasions, then he lies about what he really meant, then tries to justify it. that's what turned me against him. he does this time and time again, like were not going to catch on. as he that little respect for our intelligence, or is it he is that egotistical

Barrack Obama is rediculous!!! Now that he's the nominee he is totally trying to move to the center, closer to John McCain's position on Iraq. He's a flip-flopper on the Iraq war and he is showing America that his words cannot be trusted.

Friends and Americans, we have no choice but to vote third party. Democrats and Republicans will say and do anything to get elected. They cannot be trusted any longer.

"McCain was off the campaign trail Saturday, resting with his family at his home in Sedona, Arizona." That's because grumpy old men need lots of rest…while MCain was recovering from his trip to Latin America, Obama was showing true patriotism in Butte, Montana at a parade and 4th of July picnic. His fourth trip to Montana, I might add…the number of times McCain has showed up there? Zippo, nada, zilch.

You think Montanans haven't noticed? Watch Montana turn blue this year…the "50 state strategy" is already working, with Obama having a 5 point lead over McCain in the state. It's only three electoral votes, but it speaks volumes.

I still will not be voting for Obama in November. He has done nothing to show me he is up to the job of President. Hillary Clinton should be the nominee. For the first time in my life, I am staying home in November.

Obama has been very consistent on the war!…He said, "We have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting it."

All you are trying to do it paint him as a flipflopper….like John McCain..who has flipflopped on just about everything!

If you think you can SPIN this on the voters…think again…
I can't wait to VOTE again!…I am sick of spending money on this war that should have never been authorized and our economy is a mess!

The REPUBLICANS have got to go!!!!It's time for a REAL change!

Go OBAMA!

Even if Obama on January 21, 2009 said "I want all the troops out. Now." it's not likely it would happen within his 16 month window. Drawing down 150,000ish troops, along with all the gear, is not something that is going to happen overnight.

The gist of this story — Obama is going to listen to the experts (the commanders in theater), and then formulate a policy. Contrast that with Bush's style, which was to formulate the policy, then tell the experts either you're with me or fired (think General Shinseki). Or even with McCain, who says we'll be there until we've achieved this elusive "victory" the Republicans (and Lieberman) keep blathering about.

Which of those three approaches would you favor for Iraq?

Mr. Obama is now in the "what I meant was.." stage. If Republicans will continue the attack on his flip flop position, he will try the 'this is smear politics' tactic. If you finally don't shut up, you'll be accused being racists. Not much creativity from this 'politician of change'. But a lot of stupidity on voters' side. You had a good candidate and you blew up your options.

"I have said throughout this campaign that this war was ill-conceived, that it was a strategic blunder and that it needs to come to an end"

And who was going to step up to the task of removing a tyrant that murdered 8000 Kurdish civilians in Halabja with nerve agents? I'm sure if that happened in the United States there would be rioting. This reason alone is the very reason people who say they are against any military action against tyranny should STFU…

NOBAMA is CONSISTENT of being INCONSISTENT

I think Obama has been consisent on the war. He has always said, "We have to be as careful getting out of this war as we were careless getting in this war."…..It is my understanding that he NEVER intended to just snatch the soldiers out as soon as he takes office.

I am not the President, but I do know these things takes time.,,,Not 100 years like John McCain propose. I am afraid of John McCain and the Republican's MINDSET that got us into the mess!

If you think you are going to SPIN this flipflopping charge to try to change the voters mind about the OBAMA…You better think again!

I can't wait to VOTE again, to finally bring this war to an end, get our troops home, and to get our economy back on track! The REPUBLICANS has made a mess of things! IT IS TIME FOR A CHAAAANGE!!!

You HILLARY supporters need to put your personal feelings aside and get on board!…Four more years of John McCain, is all the same!

GO OBAMA!!!!

Yeah, as consistent as he has been on public financing, FISA, gun control, the death penalty, abortion rights, Reverend Wright, Unity Church, the gas tax holiday, tax breaks for big oil, he's one consistent guy.

Hillary Clinton should be careful when she appears together with Barak Obama. For strategic reasons he has consistently been lieing about how to decide about the war in Iraq. Hillary should stay a reserv nominee until August 2008! Obama´s earlier standpoints about Iraq made him the nominee!

i watched this and was mystified by the stupidity of the reporters, i understand now why the news has said nothing about the war crimes of Bush, i understand now why the media will create a bunch of BS about Dr. Rev. Wright and say nothing about McCains causing the deaths of 168 crewmen aboard the USS Forrestal in 1967, his evasion of tax on his So. CA home or his unwillingness to release his military records. corp. media…how a bout some news?

Dear Next Prez:

"The mouth is the devil, says a proverb. Don't delude yourself; you cannot win an argument against fools. Only fools can convince each other. Stop talking for the sake of talking. We know where you stand on vital issues. Take a break and recharge yourself for the remainder of the marathon.

Has the press read his book?

Read the last sentence!!! Thats exactly what he has been saying all along!!! The republicans are liars, liars and OLD liars!!! And I'm a republican in my 60's and its time to turn life over to our children and the educated youth of this country!!! AND and educated group that is against WAR!!!!

Obama is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!

He may insist it but he has not been consistent at all!!!

But… He is great at making speech after speech and seems to be quite the manipulator…

We are in for four years of speeches diverting us from ALL of the mistakes.

The real bummer is, he will be using the United States as his testing ground for experience… Not really fair to us all is it?

This very interesting. What is consistency here. Barack is an educated idiot. One moment he said he wants to refine his policy and next moment he went back to his policy. This is not the way America runs. Barack you are a kid and you need to grow up.

If Republican politicans were scrutinized as closely as the media and GOP policy makers are watching Obama (or other Democrats running for office), then the GOP might be worth a second look when picking someone to vote for. This is the first time that I might vote a straight ticket for a general election.
The media should concentrate on what the man says, not what you thought he said or what someone else says that he said. Let the GOP spin doctors say what they want, because no one but the media listens to them anymore.

Obama has consistantly stated that he would be as careful getting out of Iraq as Bush was careless getting into Iraq. He has not changed his position. Of course he has to look closely at the situation on the ground in order to determine the quickest and most efficient way to get out in a responsible way that would be in America's best interest. He has been stating this same position since the start of the campaign. This is not a change at all. A leader should be able to refine his tactics in order to achieve the desired goal and that is what he is doing. He does not want permanent bases in Iraq and he is not looking for an American occupation of Iraq for 100 years like John Mccain. If he has to refine his tactics to achieve the best outcome then so be it, as long as the goal is getting us out of there as soon as possible.

Obama '08

SHAME ON MEDIA for spining this out of nothing.

POST THIS CNN!!

Duh. Was it a slow news day of something CNN?

July 5th, 2008 6:28 pm ET
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OBAMA AND MCCAIN SEEM TO REFINE WHAT THEY SAY BUT AS FAR AS FLIPFLOPING ON THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO TAKE THE COUNTRY THAT HAS NOT CHANGED..MCCAIN IS FOR PROLONGING THE WAR AND OBAMA IS FOR ENDING IT

Is the media on the plane and around Obama payed by the Republicans? It seems, they never write anything positive about Obama and act like mccain's mouth is a prayerbook.

What's up with this?

Please post!

This is quite sad. Now Barack has to do the reporters job, notifying them that he had previously advocated faith-based initiatives. Why? Because he knows how little informed they are.

Why are journalists this incompetent? I am baffled. It is either incompetence — can't verify the accuracy of the information before reporting it as news — or they work together with the McCain campaign.

A very recent example:
We all know that “refine" also means to make more precise. What is wrong with Barack saying that he will detail his Iraq policy with more precision after talking with the generals on the ground? Isn't that the correct method of governing? Why did the majority of reporters interpret "refining Iraq policy" as meaning "changing Iraq policy"?

I am getting uncomfortable with the AP reporter especially. I wonder, if these reporters who are following Barack were to take a spelling bee round with the 13 year old current spelling bee winner, who do you think will win? I wouldn't put my money with those journalists.

Thank goodness Obama's hitting back. Kerry just absorbed the blows and moved on. The press deserves to be held accountable, just as they try to hold everyone else accountable. I know Obama's position has been consistent because I've been paying attention (and it's not even my job!) But I also know that occasionally he's not spelled out all the nuances when giving an answer, so some quotes don't represent his position accurately, and that's his fault.
OTOH, McCain can flip and flop and flip back without the same scrutiny. And we (the reading public) can only hope that some reporters see what McCain's camp is doing is completely dishonest and is the real story. I think I've had enough of dishonest presidents. Let's get someone who makes small mistakes occasionally and has the guts to take some of the responsibility and correct them.

McSane/Bush fallowers just want to spread untrue rumors and they know exactly what Obama said but want to try to fabricate a story and it isn't working .
If you think the past Obama movement was amazing you ain't seen nothing yet as to what is yet to come .
Go Obama we love you and Michelle you are on your way to the Oval office with no turns off the main path .
Mc Sane return to Arizona you are just wasting your time ,we don't need any more Bush enough Bush to last forever just look where it got us. OMG

It's getting increasingly difficult to stay tuned to the GOP side of the political arguments presented on CNN. An example. Leslie Stahl on This Week in Politics. Enough of the vapid attacks, salivating over empty talking points. Do these people–ie Leslie Stahl–realize as much as we, the listeners, do how much of nothing they're saying and how low they're sinking to say so little.

How dare the press question King O. Wow, some reporters were actually doing their job and pressing this guy a little? The part that kills me is how he corrects the reporters as to what they really heard. If a Republican did that, the press would be howling.

Let the hateful Obamite rhetoric begin 5, 4, 3, 2, 1……

obama is a FRAUD!!! – The only consistent Message is CHANGE – daily to suit his political needs. This guy is NOT qualified to lead our country. The DNC made a Huge "bonehead mistake" – BUT – it's not too late to fix it – elect Senator Hillary Clinton at the convention – she IS qualified to lead us!!

Let's see another wonderful speach that will make us all understand why he is not changing his story. I am sure the Hillary supporters are really hacked off now that he is changing a key point that he ran against her on!!!

Typical of the press. All I have heard on the TV news, from the talking heads, and from the news in general is something along the line "did Obama flip-flop on Iraq?" Why — because the Republican propaganda machine pushed and the press is too lazy to evaluate it — and figure out it's a non-story, or to simply report the facts. It's about headlines and sound bites for the press — too lazy and too incompetent to do real analysis and writing.

10 Years sober

Obama said that he'd refine his Iraq policy further after he returned from his trip there.

Gee, a leader who makes decisions based on fact, rather than sticking to his guns and dragging us all down with him… How refreshing!

I thought going there the way we did was was stupid, but we have to leave with all the care that was never used getting into it in the first place.

Consistently flips flops, stands up, backs down, etc if it is supposed to make him more moderate to an issue. So much sugar yet very little other nutrients come from Koolaid. Just like Obama. All talk, not much more.

He is lying. He never said anything except the troops will be coming home immediately after I am president regardless of the circumstances. Liar , Liar, oants on fire. Cant trrust Obama, Flip Flop

OK- you were saying what you were saying, and you feel a need to clarify it? Sounds like political double-talk to me.

McCain 08
Substance over Hype

obama has been more consistent than any politician i've seen in 35 years.people just believe anything they hear,no matter who twists it,and then make baseless decisions on it.this is purely the fault of the media and cnn should be as ashamed of themselves as fox should be.reporters ask the same question 10 different ways to try to get a different response ,so they can pounce on it and make a major story out of someone 'flip-flopping'.sad that it works,for two weeks the media has made baseless claims of obama 'flip-flopping' that are just untrue,and fail to inform people that changes in certain situations require an ability to adapt one's policies and change according to needs.to not be able to adapt,leaves a person with only stubborness and futility,and creates grid-lock.the bush presidency is a shining example of what happens when you dont use the information at hand to adapt and change your tactics to meet current needs.think about it people.corporate media is keeping you stirred up for no good reason than to sell old news,the way they want it to be seen.

slowww news week

Mr Obama is saying things clearly, and I don't by any reason see any flip flop in his statement he still maintain that he is going to withdraw the tropes from the war they are fighting to enrich president Bush and his family.

Obama cannot be trusted. He stole the election from Hillary, and he's a proven racist who will say anything to gain political points. Unfortunately the DMC chose the wrong candidate this year, and I cannot support him now that he's flip-flopped all over the place.

McCain '08

Obama has been very consistent on his Iraq position. You can read every transcript on his Iraq speeches and you will find the words " we will be as careful leaving Iraq as we were careless going in". He has consistently said that he would consult with the generals on the ground to ensure the safe withdrawal of our troops.

We know that the McCain camp who are desperately trying to paint Obama as someone who fip-flops (I must add here that, as if John McCain himself is not the bigger flip-flopper), will parse and twist every statement Obama makes, in their attempts to achieve their goal. The unfortunate development, however, has been the fact that the media has joined hands with the McCain campaign in twisting Obama's statements. That is the real sad part. The media's job in this campaign should not be to mislead the American people regarding the candidates' positions, but to truthfully report on those positions.

Like most other Americans I hope that CNN will take a stand to report truthfully during this presidential campaign. The media should not be this year's swift boat.

Just because the Repuyblicans repeat a LIE over and over doesn't make it true. We, as a country, should have learned that LESSSON over and over again.

On Iraq, Senator Obama's position has been clear.

We need to remove our troops from Iraqi and end our active involvement in the day to day prosecution of the war. That removal needs to be done fairly deliberately and likely completed before he would run for re-election.

Anyone that wants to quibble about whether it will take 16 months, 18 months, 24 months, 30 months …. for the removal to be complete is not a pragmatic realist and is only looking to box the Senator in politically.

By comparison, John McCain's position on Iraq is equally clear.

We can not speak about our intent to remove troops anytime soon. Furthermore his vision is that most likely, the United States will have troops in Iraq for a LONG, LONG, undetermined amount of time.

He has lamented that we could be there for 100 years. When criticized for this he backpedalled, saying the press was twisting his words and that he wasn't going to keep troops there that long.

However, when trying to devine where McCain's head is on this, I call your attention to a June 1, 2008 interview on the Today Show, where McCain likened Iraq to Korea. We've had US troops stationed in Korea for more than 55 years.

It seems clear to any thinking voter that McCain believes that a 20 or 40 or 60+ P(plus) year presence in Iraq is his position.

Keeping it simple ….

Obama = US soldiers out of Iraq in less than 3 years
McCain = US soldier in Iraq for more than 30 years

There's no flip floping and the two positions present pretty clear distinctions for the public.

You know, there was a comment on an article yesterday complaining that Obama is only a "junior" senator. Well, that person should have done their homework, because HRC is only a "junior" senator, too.

United we stand. Divided we fall.
Democrats '08

Obama has consistently LIED and manipulated his cult followers.

NO OBAMA

PLEASE! Give us some credit for our intelligence! We have ears and eyes and a brain, don't be patronizing. You have insulted the intelligence of the american people from day one with your "bitter" comments and all the rantings of your buddies like Wright (who you say you did not hear his racist rants during 20 years of listening to him), Rezcko (gave you a nice deal on your house when the rest of us are forclosing) and Plfleger (sexist, loud mouthed bad mannered, racist). What do you take us for Mr. Obama?

Flip-Flop! Flip-Flop! Flip-Flop! BUT, if you say it, Mr. Obama, then it MUST be the HOLY GRAIL!!! Everyone bow down, kiss his feet and leap from cliffs!!! He gives SICKENING a whole new meaning!

Keep saying it enough and maybe people will believe you. I gave up on Obama keeping his word and will wait and see what the final results of his policies are. He isn't who he was in the early primaries. I don't know who or what he is now. Too socialist for me…

No he is a lier. He won his nomination partly because of his lies.

Obama is a typical Chicago machine politico. Mr flip flop won't be president though because McCain isn't getting kicked off the ballot by a bunch of political bosses to clear the way for him. Welcome to President McCain.

sounds like the republicans are getting scared…. trying to accuse obama of flip-flopping.
DON'T BE FOOLED BY BUZZWORDS!!!

OBAMA 08!

CNN you started this… that jessica woman… you are covering up your own tracks…

"As careful getting out as we were careless getting in." That was a common phrase for Obama throughout the primary. I've read the recent reports on this "controversy" and I don't understand, either, why he's being accused of flip-flopping on this issue.

At any rate, we know Obama will bring the troops home long before McCain would.

I can hear it now…."after speaking with the military commanders on the ground, I believe that it is in not only our best interest, but Iraq's best interest to maintain our current posture…"

Please Mr Obama do not be waylaid by all the negative press and sore losers. You do NOT need Hillary Clinton on your ticket as V.P. She had EVERYTHING going for her the entire Democrat machine behind her (they probably wrote you off behid closed doors) and you DID IT. YOU BEAT the Clintons and they are still smarting. You do not need Bill Clinton either they represent 16 years of old Washingtom politics and that is what you need to turn your back on. You have the support of millions of inteliigent Americans who are looking for change who are hungry for change. The world needs a new kind of leadership and they need to have their confidence in the United States of America restored. Do not be scared and intimidated by scaremongers and nay sayers they are afraid of change and they can see it and smell it in the air. God bless you and keep you strong and resilient.

"I am surprised at how … the press … I'm not trying to dump on you guys, but I'm surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured," Obama said.

Gee, Obama — surprised that the press FINALLY — for one brief, shining moment — actually treats you like any other candidiate. Rude awakening, huh?

Obama do not let the republican against you force you on the defensive. Hillary tried the same tactics and went from 20 point lead to a lost camaign!
Ignore them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will keep sharp shooting with the same old worn out attacks, and all you have to do is keep inspiring our nation and believe me they will crumble just as Hillary did!

When ever I see a picture of Obama and Clinton together, my eyes are always drawn toward Clinton. She just carries that kind of presence.

LIar! Liar! pants on fire. Thats about as original as the crap this politician
has been spewing.

of course it should be spin instead of spend?? my bad.

I can't imagine why Senator Obama is surprised at the way the press covers his every word the way they do. Clearly, the new standard of American journalism is the 'gotcha' story. Instead of focusing on content and substance, they care about finding any way to sensationalize a story. A recent example is the way that General Clark's simple statement of fact that McCain's experience as a pilot and prisoner did provide executive experience got twisted into a criticism of McCain's war service. In this desperately important election, we some good, old fashioned, honest, non-sensationalist journalism so the American people will really understand the policy differences between the candidates. Does anyone think that will actually happen?

Obama's been very consistent in his position, and I trust him to get us out of Iraq in a responsible manner. If it means tweaking things, that's fine with me.

It's McCain who's changed his position on almost every issue, depending on the political climate, and he gets away with it!
How about holding his feet to the fire CNN!

He can insist all he wants… but we all remember him "parsing" words with Hillary as he tried to trash her nuanced position of a carefully Planned withdrawal that took the safety of our troops and our Iraqi supporters into account.

Obama tried to pin her to a time table. She was smart and avoided making promises now for a future still not known.

He committed to an immediate withdrawal.

I'm personally tired of the media trying to control the minds and the votes of this country's citizens.

It needs to stop. We need news – not gossip.

If you all want McCain, just say so and quit deceiving those that don't think for themselves.

Right… Just as he hasn't flip-flopped on other divisive issues. Most candidates move to the center. But with Obama, we dont really know if he's genuine because he does not have any legislative accomplishments to back his positions. Talk about buyer's remorse.

you media want to throw obama under the bus, what a shame on msm and mcbush.

Why does the media allow him to lie?

Just show the clips… we all remember seeing them.

I beleive Obama said that he would visit with military leaders on the front and refine as needed. What else would one in his position do?
I want the U.S. to leave this second, but can also see thats since we are already there, we can't leave this second. Candidates have talked about different plans. Obama's talk about meeting with military leaders doesn't say he changed his plan, but migt refine based on what people on the ground say right now. This is not 'flip flopping' it is logical.

This hypocrit says one thing…

then he says "let me be clear" and changes it…

then he says "don't parse my words" and "let me be clear"- and changes it again.

Eventually, with all the changes and being clear, he hopes to persuade you that what he NOW says is what he always said.

And he never tells the truth. It is deja vu time agin…Just like with the bitter comments. He really spun that from a dismissive slur to saying he meant it was a good thing.

Don't be surprised by McEnd comments Senator Obama, he doesn't have much to say so he has to wait until you talk to try to find something to say. Everybody heard you loud and clear about Iraq, the same way we heard McEnd eager to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

He has been. He is saying the same thing he said in one of the debates. He always said he would begin bringing combat troops home one or two bragdes at a time with a plan to have them oyt in 16 months WITH the reserved right of any President to be flexible according to the current situation. This stuff is all SPIN!

For all of us Hillary supporters. Here is how I feel. CNN pushed Obama. They picked and picked and picked and picked on Hillary's every word, look, gesture. The commentors in politics are so obviously biased to black man mania potrayed so perfectly by the SNL parody a few weeks ago. CNN, you have done it. You alone have defeated Hillary Clinton, despite her popularity with Republicans and Democrats and the majority of Americans. I am a Democrat and always have been, but I am one woman who will not vote for Obama. If Hillary is on the ballot in November, I will vote for her. If she is not on the ballot, I have to vote for John McCain, to protest. CNN, even if you say we are not going to vote, we are going to vote, but not for Bamarama. Teach CNN a lesson, vote for John McCain unless the DLC agrees to put Hillary on the ballot in November. CNN, you are losing viewers because of your bias. America is going to wake up and smell the coffee on election day, and all those college kids enjoyed the ride and the excitement, when they are alone in the booth, they are not going to vote for him, they will vote for any other person on the ballot for President.

I'm the biggest Barack Obama supporter out here, but even I have to admit that his latest remarks about the Iraq war did seem flimsy.

I just wish the economy wasn't the #1 issue on voter's minds. Sure gas prices are ridiculous, but eventually it will become moderate, as well as grocery prices and home foreclosures/unemployment. But a soldier's life being taken in Iraq….that's something we'll never get back.

Keep the Iraq war as the #1 issue.

The media loves to twist words. He said "continue to refine". They tried to make it appear that he filp flopped. Not the case. Refine means to "improve" "become more polished" "to bring to a pure state". Maybe they don't know the defininiction of the word.

This is a media-created tempest, designed to paint Obama as a flip-flopper while carefully ignoring McCain's daily mistakes and reversals.

Good little MSM doggies.

president obama
that has been you message from day one, why no one gets it is a mistory.
ALTHOU THE PRESS IS KEEPING UP THE HIPE FOR THEIR RATING AT YOUR EXPENCE. CNN AND NTHE REST SHOULD POST EXACT FACTS OR JUST DON'T TELL ANYTHING. IT IS ALL ABOUT PRESS RATING TO KEEP THE FUEL IN THE FIRE
GOD BLESS YOU AND AMERICA

CNN PLEASE POST THIS

Good luck in damage control, Senator Nobama! Your true face is coming through little by little, and we cann't wait to see what the GOP is going to with you by November! You have ride the media wagon throughout the primaries, but those are gone and now you have face the real world! Hope you have a plan on what to do and where to go after November and after being defeated by the GOP! And even Hillary cann't help you now!!!! And I hope that at least Bill Clinton keeps his wise distance from you!

Was that a freudian slip or a type-o?
"When I was a US Senator"
I guess he's already elected himself Prez.
See 3rd paragraph.

Here he goes again, Flopping an flipping.

Waite till it's reavield that, HE CAN NOT BE THE PRESIDENT.
For he is not a CITIZEN of the USA . Then we will hear all , the UH"s a AWHs . An let me tell you , an that will be just another LIE.

Depends on what the definition of "consistent " is.

This guy sure lies… even with taped debates for verification.

No you have not… you went from criticizing HRC position on Iraq… to adopting her position.

Sleaze bucket.

The only thing he is consistent on is sharing his middle name with Sadaam's last name. Hussien. He also consistently refused to serve his country in the Military. Consistently refused to wear an American flag lapel pin. He consistently attended a church that talks smack about white people and he consistently goes into big events to boost his ego. He is very consistent at dividing his own party and consistent at making sure the democratic party will be destroyed for 20 years. This guy isn't a true American in fact he is the greatest fraud to ever enter the Election. As soon as Mccain quits being a coward and lets the RNC expose him for what he is then you can bet your marbles he's going to get blown out worse than Dukakis did. The only state this guy has a chance to win is Minnesota. I’m from Chicago his home town and trust me we are going to make sure he doesn't even win Illinois. In conclusion I am forced to quote those famous words of Ronald Regan. "I didn't leave the democratic party the democratic party left me" Yours truly a new republican!

Am i the only one with a opinion.

If Obama's lips are moving he's lying.
If he makes it to the White House, you can be certain he will "refine" every promise he's ever made just so American fools elect him.

Obama's 16 month withdrawl plan is fairly naive and beyond overly-ambitious. It's quite frankly, not possible. If he doesn't already know this, he surely will after his upcomming visit. His most recent statements are both good and bad for him. It's good because if he ever is elected he will have set the stage for the eventual admission that he can't get us out as quickly as he hoped. It's bad because he's clung to his 'end the war now' approach.

Sadly, no matter what Obama promises, we will always have a military base Iraq. In that sense, we will never be completely out, just like we're not completely out of Germany, Japan, Korea etc. There's gonna be a minor presence for decades to come. Hopefully we can end formal war activities, but given the volatility of the region, it's doubtful.

If you're voting on a candidate because you want the war over faster, you're wasting your vote. Both candidates will work to end the war as reasonably soon as possible. Neither candidate will be able to force an end to the war until the region is ready … and neither candidate has control over that.

Sadly, Obama is an empty suit. I don't trust him. If he's my commander and chief I'll do my best to support him, but he's far from the ideal leader.

Obama never strayed from what he said, it was uneducated Republicans and POOR journalism that made this into a big deal.

Note their is nothing in the definition of refine that says you need to totally change, like it was reported and pushed by Republicans.
refine

Main Entry:
re·fine Listen to the pronunciation of refine
Pronunciation:
\ri-ˈfīn\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
re·fined; re·fin·ing
Date:
1582

transitive verb 1 : to free (as metal, sugar, or oil) from impurities or unwanted material 2 : to free from moral imperfection : elevate 3 : to improve or perfect by pruning or polishing 4 : to reduce in vigor or intensity 5 : to free from what is coarse, vulgar, or uncouth intransitive verb 1 : to become pure or perfected 2 : to make improvement by introducing subtleties or distinctions

McCain is really not a mavrick. He is to old , and he needs to retire. How come the media is always trying to twist things. How come they just can't just stick to the facts. What is America Afraid Of? Black Americans are smart, and intellegent also. I feel as if they will pull up anything. Just because you are white does not always mean that you are Right!! It also does not mean that your are perfect. Get over the race issue. We to have people in our culture that are positive. I noticed that he was called a couple of weeks ago by Karle Rove to be arrgoant. Why because he is a black man who is educated, and has decent and morale standards? It was not said that he is confindent but BIG HEADED? Ask yourself the questions we should not be PROUD OF OUR RACE OR CULTURE? IT IS JUST BECAUSE HE HAS CREATIVE IDEAS THAT ARE INNOVATIVE AND THAT HE IS RUNNING A EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN. HE IS NOT RUNNING THE SAME KIND OF WASHINGTION CAMPAIGN. HE TRUELLY IS GETTING THE YOUTH ACTIVE IN THE PROCESS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT HE REALLY IS WORKING FROM THE BOTTOM UP AND NOT FROM THE TOP DOWN. DO SOMETHING NEW !!! WHY MAKE AN ISSUE ABOUT THE MONEY HE RAISED . IT WOULD BE STUPID FOR HIM TO HAVE RAISED THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN ONLY BE ABLE TO USE THE 85 MILLION IF HE TOOK THE FINANCING FROM THE GOVERNMENT. IF HE HAS THE MONEY WHY NOT USE IT TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY . HIS CAMPAIGHN IS NOT SLOPPY. I AM MARKETING STUDENT AND I SEE THE STRATEGIC MOVES THAT HE IS MAKING.

OBAMA 08

Obama never strayed from what he said, it was uneducated Republicans and POOR journalism that made this into a big deal.

Note their is nothing in the deffination of refine that says you need to totally change, like it was reported and pushed by Republicans.
refine

Main Entry:
re·fine Listen to the pronunciation of refine
Pronunciation:
\ri-ˈfīn\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
re·fined; re·fin·ing
Date:
1582

transitive verb 1 : to free (as metal, sugar, or oil) from impurities or unwanted material 2 : to free from moral imperfection : elevate 3 : to improve or perfect by pruning or polishing 4 : to reduce in vigor or intensity 5 : to free from what is coarse, vulgar, or uncouth intransitive verb 1 : to become pure or perfected 2 : to make improvement by introducing subtleties or distinctions

It is so sad that this incompetent person is going to be the nominee. He bashed Hillary for her views and when he shifts his Iraq policy to hers, he is brilliant. Now he is not flip-flopping, he is clarifying his position. He has been like this through the whole primary season. Obama got away with this elitist attitude only because the news media went head over heels for him.

CNN you should really watch the SNL skit about Obama and Hillary debates and you will feel the disgust Hillary supporters feel. It had nothing to do with race – black or white, but with the way Obama supporters and the news media acted and treated Hillary and her supporters. Funny thing is the news media refuses to admit they did anything wrong. LOL!!!!

It's sad but the American voter is so self destructive that they will probably elect McCain. They will look for any excuse to avoid voting for Obama. Granted he has flaws but he is probably our best hope to get on a more productive path.
They are so willing to engage in counter-productive military ventures and unnecessary, over priced high tech weapon systems but cannot bring them self to provide health care.
Every developed country provides universal health care and gun control except the U.S.. We'll gladly pay $162 billion for war but cringe at help for needy Americans.
I'm wrong…its beyond sad.

Seems that as usual, the GOP has made a mountian out of a molehill. They are so desperate to smear Obama because they can never win on issues.

Obama is surprised by how finely words are measured by the press — was he surprised by how the press fueled the fires on comments made by Senator Clinton during the campaign that somehow made remarks said by both her and her husband as racist. Obama is probably surprised because the press has kissed up to up to him during the entire primary. Looks like Obama needs some toughening up before he runs for the most important position in our government!

Imagine the press questioning his "repositioning" of his stands on NAFTA, FISA and whatever other changes in position he has made since the primaries. He must think everyone is uneducated and stupid!

Senator Obama has been consistent on Iraq and any sensible person would know that he has. The McCain camp is trying to slow down his popularity by telling the press that he reversed his views on Iraq. Simply not true! His campaign has consisted of nothing more than negative ad campaigning and lies from the very beginning. I cant forget the time when McCain lied on National TV at the GOP debate back in January and he continues to lie all the time. I still don't understand how he became the Republican candidate. I hope no one falls for this cheap tactic by the McCain campaign to pump up the media to saying he has suddenly reversed his views on Iraq.

BO, the only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency.

If you are going to be involved in the national elections, whether presidential, senatorial, or House of Representatives member every word, every comma is going to be examined as the news departments attempt to "scoup" the competition.

In the end, in my opinion, this nit picking takes away from what we are attempting to do, that is find someone with some leadership skills to stand up and say 'follow me", even if I'm wrong.

I just really like Barack. With the help of all Americans, I feel he will do some great things for our country and the world!

Mr. Obama
I hope you realize that the weight if the world is on your shoulders. Everyone in the entire world is watching you and what you are going to do. Please stay consistant and on message. Keep to the left because that is what we are all looking for in you. As someone who lived in the South Commons area of Chicago and I am white by the way I know what the deal is. You are tough and a straight shooter and just don't forget where you came from. We, the world, is counting on you. No president has ever had so much responsibility as you will have. Stay true to your roots. Liam

It's really sad that the main stream media and cable news are to "lazy" to do research on these issue. Obama has been consistent on these issue go to BarackObama.com, read his books, or early 2007 these transcript are on the Internet. TMZ should start reporting on this election you know they will investigate a story, not just spin it because the other side want you to.

Good riddance to cable news

Jessica Yellin is not worth her pay check if she does not have something to report on, the juicer the better.She and her ilk are hunting for any slip of tongue, particularly from Senator Obama, to create a crisis. It is a pity!
There are more of these reporters who should take the time off and let the public hear from the candidates and make their own interpretations.
I heard what senator Obama said, and anybody with any understanding and ability to read and write at the 6th grade level would agree with Obama.
He did not change his stand. He is pragmatic and that will bring victory. Obama will be a leader we can trust and follow.

lol @ "refining" being "changing your entire position".

Straws, Old Man McCain…you're grasping at them. You're the ultimate flip-flopper, John…quiet down before it gets ugly.

Obama 08′

A good leader is compelled to evaluate and adapt to any ongoing and changing situation. I would be more worried if the leader was unwilling to adjust to changing conditions. We have seen the consequences of "Stay the Course". The ability to recognize and adapt is taught in life and severely stressed in the military. Sone have labled this "Flip Flopping". I would hope that our next leader posesses the characteristics of Awareness and Adaptability. If we have a leader that surges forward with blinders on, that can only lead to self destruction. We should not look at a person changing his strategy, but why he did.

he has clearified this question out that he won't change his stance. let move to other aspect especially economy.

Welcome to the big leagues Obama.

What should be questioned is not Obama's stance on Iraq, which has been consistent, but this idea that the surge is working. If you recall, the surge was called for in order to buy time for the Iraqi government to get it's act together. That hasn't happened and doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

The claim that the surge is working because deaths are down is revisionist–deaths for Americans would be nil if they all came home. The press (read CNN) needs to as McCain and Bush why they are being inconsistent in their surge goals, and why the surge, as they originally described, it ISN'T working.

Consisting of what? The Military in any war zone, require a Man…
No place for Little Boy's…

Only a complete FOOL would reject out of hand the input of experienced individuals when setting the foreign policy for the nation. To call someone a flip-flopper because he is open to listening to opinions forming around the current situations is just plain stupid. I think as much as we Americans want competency and honesty from our leaders, we always try to dismantle them when they show up unexpectedly and in a different package. Sen. Obama has been more forthright and transparent on the issues affecting millions of Americans daily than ANY OTHER candidate this year. NOW WE WANT TO BEAT HIM UP FOR IT!

America, MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

Barack Obama '08-'12

He has been consistant…This like the General Clark story was a McCain fed story, and the media followed along like rats.

A stupid hack job of a news story from CNN’s Jessica Yellin is leading people by their noses like cattle. Obama saying his Iraq withdrawal plans are fluid was in response to a question about whether Obama would listen to advise from the Commanders on the ground. Obama being intelligent and pragmatic said’of course’. Then Yellin makes up a story that says Obama is backing up because things in Iraq are peachy keen. I do not think thirty young American Heroes being blown up in June and millions of dollars a day wasted is that darn peachy! The fact that things are better temporarily in Iraq gives us the opportunity to leave, not a reason to stay. Iraq is an independant nation where seventy percent of it’s people to include their leaders, want America to go home. So, are we the good guys or a Roman Legion style occupation force? Obama will end the war in Iraq like he promised and will use good common sense in doing it.

"I think John McCain's going to have a much harder time explaining how he is willing to perpetuate a presence in Iraq for 10, 20, 50 years."

…well said, Senator, but next time please include 100 years, which is what came directly from Mr. McPain's mouth.

Now, I have noticed the media isn't reporting much on McCain. Could they also be concluding that the man and his twin bother dubya are becoming irrelevant to Americans? Bush should be impeached immediately and tried at a War Crime Tribunal. McCain also needs to be answerable for wanting to run a third Bush term.

Great! I am glad that CNN is reporting this accurately. Obama has always had the exact same position on Iraq as can be proven by his countless town hall meeting answers, debate responses, and other statements. It is sad that some in the MSM listen solely to the McCain camp without checking out the facts.

Reporters often get in the way. If you want to get the correct picture, don't go to the McCain camp and their spin, and don't go to the media. Ask Obama. He will lay it out eloquently, truthfully and practically. His campaign should illustrate a perfect picture of campaign management and organization perfection. McCain is a sad picture of slow campaigning and mixed messages. Report on that some more.

The only reason why this is talked about so much is because the media is controlling the debate and twisting his words. The spot light is on Obama because he WILL be elected.

I am amazed that we allow people to say that Obama "reversed" his position. If he had said that he wouldn't withdraw or that he would endorse another surge, that is a reversal. His statements are nothing like that.

Why does everyone keep ragging on him for "flip-flopping"?? I would say he's been pretty consistent from day one. And in this particular case, I would certainly hope that he be willing to change his plan should the need arise. He is keeping a close eye on Iraq, and if suddenly the situation changes and requires us to stay longer, he has every right to change his mind. That's not flip-flopping, that's safe leadership. It's time we wake up and realize that. Obama, you have 100% of my respect. You're a well-educated, brilliant man who will make an excellent president.

I cannot understand why the media is so determined to portray Barack as a flip flopper, it is almost like they are in cahoots with John flip-flop McCain to reverse the truth.

Everyone knows that change is ongoing, when things change you have to be prepared to modify your plans, or you will be left behind. Barack did not change his plans to bring the troops home in sixteen months. But he is not going to put them in danger while doing this. He may bring home one brigade in one month or he may bring them home three brigades another month. He has always said that he will continue to refine his plans. And I honestly believe that if he thought keeping to his sixteen month plan will put Americans in harms way, YES HE WILL MAKE CHANGES.

I just wish the media would stop giving John McCain such a free ride, John McCain has flipped and flopped more than a FISH OUT OF WATER, but the media is just going after Barack, while McCain is allowed to get away with anything. Just look at his Naval Records, seventeen hand picked pages out of 600 or more IS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT, WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE, HE EXPECTS PEOPLE TO TREAT HIM AS A HERO, WHY THEN IS HE NOT PREPARED TO MAKE HIS RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC?

I think that this (change) is partly responsible for some of Hillary's supporters still "saying" that they are NOT going to support Barack. Their candidate lost and they cannot accept it. These voters were NEVER REAL HILLARY SUPPORTERS! They were a) voting for a WOMAN, ANY WOMAN, not necessarily for Hillary b) they were NOT prepared to vote for an AFRICAN AMERICAN. These two groups of voters had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF SUPPORTING BARACK! Needless to say the loss…..is theirs to deal with.

Barack's supporters, together with genuine democratic Hillary supporters, should simply let these other non-supporters know in no uncertain terms that they are free to vote or not vote as they will!
I honestly don't think that they should be pandered to like a two year old.

So please PUMA-PAC and all of the other anti Barack supporters, get over it! Just STOP WITH THE WHINING. You are not fooling anyone, you can shoot yourself in the foot, you can throw your country to the wolves, it is YOUR CHOICE.

Barack supporters KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! We are ALL rooting for you. YES YOU CAN.

sorry for the miss types but you get my meanng

NO ONE CAN DEBATE OBAMA ON THE ISSUES.

SO START THE SPIN & SLEAZE MACHINE.

IT WONT WORK. THE MAN IS RIGHT ALL DAY.

I am growing more & more disgusted with the media's coverage of the 2 candidates.Why is it that no one questions John McCain 100 year war campaign? It's awfully sad that a former general(Wes Clark) who has no obligation to do any reporting at all had to call McCain on his experience.Especially when we get 2 or 3 days of scrutiny about flagpins & campaign finance.Now you're picking apart Obama's stance on Iraq.Didn't Scott McClellan call into question the media's oversight to scrutinize Bush's WMD theory & the choice to go to war in Iraq?Instead you guys are trying to beat up the general who has the same if not more experience than John McCain himself.Shouldn't we as americans question John McCain's experience or motive for that matter especially in the face of 100 years as he proposed!

i never thought I see the day when CNN would be compared to FOX News when it comes to crappy reporting but when you need to sale air time & webspace you do what everyone else does
. Everyone knows Obama said he would pull the troops out in 16 months and he would also listen to the Generals on the groung. But for some reason you guys keep trying to flip this around. Do me a favor and stop posting this stuff as if I'm a uneducated White rural voter.

Please do me afavor and balance out the reporting you guys are not reporting the news on a even level between the to people running for Office.

McSame is running around visting people that are not losing their jobs to companies abroad he needs to be here in the states talking to the people.

Right now he only flip flopping I see being done is by CNN. I can't wait for this to be over I have for ever turn of the TV. cable news has runed my watching pleasure I have now gone back to reading books.

Thanks for helping put my life n order again.

Now let’s talk about flip-flops. All politicians are guilty of flipping their opinions. Obama took Clinton’s policies, changed them just a bit, and made them his own. Now, he has reverted to her original positions on many issues (including Iraq). He is about change alright, changing his mind. He does not appear to believe in anything, not even the church he attended for 20 years.

IF NOT BUSH, IT WILL BE EITHER OBAMA OR McCAIN WHO WILL HAVE TO CONTAIN IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM. IT IS GETTING LATE HOWEVER. AND IRAN WILL HAVE ENOUGH NUCLEAR
(ENRICHED URANIUM TO MAKE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
WAITING AND WAITING FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN TO WORK
AND STOP THEM FROM THEIR NUCLEAR WORK IS A WASTE OF TIME. IRAN'S THREATS TO BLOCK THE HORMUZ STRAITS IS
WHAT THEY CONSIDER THEIR ACE CARD AND IT COULD /WILL DISRUP OIL SUPPLIES IF THEY DO THAT BUT NOT FOR A LONG TIME. WE BELIEVE ISRAEL AND THE u.s. HAS ENOUGH ORDNANCE AND THE EQUIPMENT TO DESTROY ANYTHING
THE IRANANS USE TO BLOCK THE VITAL CHANNEL AND ANNIHILATE THE COUNTRY IF THEY GO ALL OUT WAR.

True he has been consistent on Iraq. He's alway's s said "We have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. " McCain and the media ar trying to make something out of nothing.

This is typical NEWS MEDIA CRAP and it doesn't matter which political candidate it is. Obama has always said that he would leave in 16 months, he would pull out the troops more carefully than they were sent in, and he would listen to his Generals while making his withdrawal. ..
IN SHORT HE WOULD THINK, LISTEN, and react PROPPERLY TO THE SITUATION…
SOUNDS LIKE A PRESIDENT TO ME…..
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AMERICA..IT IS TIME TO GROW UP and stop wasting time on GOTCHA news coverage. It is a means to keep you distracted from the REAL ISSUES…
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The choice is VERY CLEAR…

OBAMA = GET OUT of Iraq in 16 or maybe even 20 months
McCANN= MAYBE Get out in 2 to 5 years PROBABLY 10 to 20 years with the goal to keep a large number of troops there for even longer…
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THATS IT plain and simple. Now lets move on to the ECONOMY, HEALTH CARE, and the ENVIRONMENT.

I've noticed a consistent pattern with the McCain campaign: Since they appear unable to come up with workable solutions of their own, they consistently look for ways to distort what Obama says then attack their own distortions. That's dirty Republican tricks as usual, and that is the only consistency in the McCain camp that I can see. If McCain used his intellect to come up with ways to solve the problems of our nation, instead of pandering to the failed Neocon base by coming up with ways to unfairly attack Obama, I might vote for him. As it now stands, Obama has my vote.

Ive been watching obama for over a year now and this is what he has been saying. that one reason people wanted hillary was because she wanted our troops home in 3 months. wow the media needs to get with it

The only thing Obama is consistent on is his flip-flopping.

WE CAN'T NOR DO WE WANT TO HAVE OUR FUTURE

PRESIDENT MAKE RASH JUDGMENTS ABOUT HOW

TO WITHDRAW TROOPS. THAT WOULD MAKE HIM AS

RECKLESS AS THOSE THAT GOT US INTO THIS WAR.

THE POINT IS;

OBAMA WILL WITHDRAW TROOPS, NOW, NOT IN A 100 YEARS &

OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE WAR, IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND CONTINUES TO BE AGAINST IT. EVERYONE WHO

HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR GAS & FOOD IN THIS COUNTRY

SHOULD HAVE THE GOD GIVEN SENSE TO BE AGAINST

THE WAR & THOSE THAT SUPPORT IT.

How much time does Obama have to explain he's going to get the troops out of Iraq immediately? Now, anyone with a God given brain knows that on day one when he becomes president every troop won't will be pulled out before midnight. People, we have to be honest and realistic here, Obama clearly explained 2 bregades a months which adds up to 16 months – depending on the situation on the ground which no one can predict, some months it may be slower – that's good enough for me, no matter what, he's still getting them out – why can't folks get this – do you want him to draw a picture and color it with crayons for you???? Good greif McCain and Obama are clear as night and day – one ones our troops in Iraq for 100 years – the other wants them out immediately but carfeully! UNDERSTAND????

Be careful Barack, the GOP spin machines = NRA the New KKK, FOX news, the filthy NeoCons Rush, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reily, Glen Beck, and Ann Coulter will salivate at any given oppotunity to crush you.

THE MEDIA ARE THE WORST PEOPLE THAT CREATE CONFUSION IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY, TRYING TO TWIST THINGS AROUND. THE MEDIA SHOULD BACK OFF. OBAMA HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS.

I am so amazed at how the media is trying to pin Sen Obama to the wall on the 16 month issue. I would like to think that any Commandor and Chief would be willing to chg depending on the issues that come up, but he or she still sets the mission. So because of McCains insistance that Sen Obama is somehow a flip-flopper on this issues leads me to this conclusion. If for whatever the reason things drastically improved in Iraq and we could bring our troops home, he would not because he would be viewed as a flip flopper because he changed his position. And guess what, if it took President Obama 19 months to bring the troops home instead of 16 months, I would be fine with that too. Please people and media don't get stuck on stupid on any one issue.

The McCain Campaign are clearly trying to twist Senator Obama's words for political gain. If Obama says his visit in Iraq will help him refine his policy does not mean that he will be withdrawing from Iraq. The distinction is clear McCain is the pro-war stay in Iraq a 100 years candidate while Obama has a time limit and with a plan to withdraw one to two brigades every month and equipping the Iraqi police and military. McSame Bush will not win through lies. He should be the Maverick that he has been known for sometime until he started flip flopping big time.

SHAME ON MEDIA for spining this out of nothing.

RNC are liars, the media are two faced and the antibloggers are ignorant. For us who are objective and independent minded, we know that McBush has changed from his position and not Obama. I guess there is a lack of understanding when someone clarifies their position rather than changing it. Goes to show how dumb folks are…

And he has. The only way this accusation can be true is if the media cuts out half of what Obama originally said, and then say that he never said it. That's exactly what they're doing here.

FLIP FLOP, FLIP FLOP, FLIP FLOP what a Big Loser he is!!!! Hispanic for McCain. The latinos don't trust OBAMA. What has he done for the Hispanic Community NOTHING NADA,

To all my Hispanic (Latinos) Brothers and Sisters we know that OBAMA is not for US!!!!! He taking all latinos for granted. so let go and support A true American Hero and that is John McCain.

Latinos people know that he is a fruad, and he is not for the spanish speaking people, so let band together and get this Fruad OBAMA out!!!! and elect John McCain

Once again, America is faced with a choice….between a man who is stubbornly unwilling to change his stance on an issue no matter what facts may exist to the contrary, and one who is willing to consider all the information at hand INCLUDING new information that may surface and change his stance accordingly….we have just suffered through 7+ years of the former and America can only benefit from the latter….choose wisely

say what you mean and mean what you say. please do not turn young people off. i voted for you, but you need to be honest with us. a word for a wise is good enough

Give it up Obama! You are just digging yourself a deeper hole.

Iraq is succeeding, and you will move even closer to McCain's position!

What is his excuse for the NAFTA flip-flop.

Obama…… continued to defend his position on Iraq — and questioned "I have also said that I would be deliberate and careful in how we got out, that we would bring our troops home at a pace of one to two brigades per month and that at that pace we would have our combat troops out in 16 months."…………That's it don't let them try to cross you !!!!

This is worse than the Wes Clark thing. McCain and the RNC are telling the media what they want Obama and the dems to say and the media is running with it. I'm sure Obama is very upset. For the past two days I've been watching the media say how Obama has changed on Iraq and it is 100% untrue. He's said over and over again that we will be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless in getting in. I think the media has it in for Obama.

OBAMA=Liar

Give it up Obama! You are just digging yourself a deeper hole.

Iraq is succeeding, and you will backtrack even more.

I heard Obama criticize Hillary for having the very position he has now switched to.

He gave a definate time frame- it was HRC who stated all the factors to consider and would not be pinned by Obama into a time-frame promise. HRC stated she would get the Generals on it and start the process but make sure not to mess things up by a hasty withdrawal.

Obama is a slick liar… He said we'd be out by 2009… 16 months. Saying being careful getting out does not mean he didn't put a time table to it.

Good BHO, we have your back, the MSM doesnt

Shut up Obama I can't stand you!! We want the war in Iraq to end today not tomorrow. I knew everything you said was a bunch a lies. Hillary said she wants out in 60 days now that's a leader we can trust.

It's impossible to fix the economy if we continue to stay in Iraq. I don't like Obama's supporters either, their a bunch of idiots that fell for Barack lies.

The truth is that nobody knows from one day to the next what is going to be good for Iraq. You can't determine the best course of action during a run for the presidency. By the way, for all you Obama supporters, go to AOL.com and read the results for their straw poll that 250,000 people participated in. It might make you poop your pants. It is a poll you have to participate in by doing a mock vote online. The last i read, it was 62%-38% in favor of McCain. Gives you food for thought doesn't it?

the lawyer come out. you can word it however you NOBAMA, THE REAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER RAT LAWYER, YOU BASICALLY SAYING I CAN CHANGE MY MIND AS OFTEN AS I LIKE. Sound to me like you don't have enough spine to make a stand. You, you Nazi racist rat lawyer are weak and you are just a black version of BUSH. You are gonna drag our country even further down.

Interesting isn't it? Looks like a move to the center as Sen. Obama's support seems to dwindle…re: the latest CNN polls. I thought he was change to believe in?

B.O is full of B.S

GOOOO Senator Obama…..

Barack Obama has made his self very clear on bring our troops home and the time line. It is John McCain and CNN that can't understand it. How about CNN asking John McCain about leaving our troops in Iraq for 50 or 100 years.

Obama did not change his plan. The News helps twist this idea in the frist place. If people really listened, they would of known this.

More right -wong political swing…does CNN think the people are blind?

McWar will not win…no matter how idiotic they get.

He's been consistently weak and wishy-washy. And he hasn't been learning from his mistakes, otherwise he would have learned from his "elitist snob" speech that he needs to refine what he says.

Talk about spin doctoring! Blaming the McCain camp for what he said! He needs to own up and admit clearly that his promises may not happen. His arrogance about how great of a candidate he is really offends.

I love you Obama!! Gobama!!! No McBush!! Obama 2008

No matter what people may say:

Obama is still the better person to be President of The United States.

He has been consistent. What happens is that this is man who does not allow himself to be changed by pressure. Trust his judgement people. Just look at the way he handled the pressure to put Clinton on the ticket. This man THINKS BEFORE HE ACTS. I don't know about you, but that's an excellent quality for a President to have.

Again, what do you prefer?

McCain, guaranteed to be the continuation and ESCALATION of th same.

or Obama who, at the very least, is offering a different path.

It's your choice,

Please choose wisely!!

Always the lair

sounds to me he's doing just what McCain had said, revising his positions based on the audience. This guy is a phony.

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CLINTON, Iowa – Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama this afternoon called for an immediate start to the withdrawal of all U.S. combat forces from Iraq — with a goal of full removal by the end of 2008 — as he suggested the nation has lost its way because of the war.

“We’re not going to be truly united and resolute as Americans until we can stop holding our breath, until we can come together to reclaim our foreign policy and our politics and end this war that has cost us too much,” he said.

Obama’s plan, outlined before an audience of about 500 at Ashford University, calls for the complete pullout of troops by the end of next year by bringing home one or two brigades each month.

“Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq. There never was,” he said. “‘The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now.”

Why is it that the MSM always seems to question Obama's call to reduce/pullout of troops but NEVER question McCain's plans of indefinate occupation in Iraq.
Am I the only one who sees that our occupation & on going war costs are directly related to our down-spiraling economy?!

He sure has!!

I am not sure why Senator Obama has to keep repeating his stand on Iraq and Iran issues. I get it and got it when he first spoke on his position and resolution for this war. We need to use common sense and some intellect when listening to all the candidates speeches. The news media and anti- Obama supportes are acting like children. Remember how it feels when you fully explain a situation to your kids and they come back , pick the words out to use against you to gain what they want. Well….this is the same . Senator is against the war and one of his priorities is to get us out as soon as humanly
feasible. We will leave it up to the next president and staff who is QUALIFIED to work out the details.

Obama is not going to get the troops out any faster than McCain. Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. I hope we don't have to put up with this arrogant empty suit for 4 years. He acts like Bush did when he was running for president.

I thought this was very interesting. I was reading an article about Obama defending his position on Iraq as being the same (of course he thinks we're dumb as to not remember his statements).

"I wasn't saying anything that I hadn't said before. That I didn't say a year ago. Or when I was a U.S. senator. If you look at our position, it's been very consistent. The notion that we have to get out carefully has been a consistent position," he [Obama] said.

Am I the only one that noticed in that statement that he stated clearly "Or when I was a U.S. senator."

Is that arrogance speaking?

No you havent been consistent, no matter how you try and spend it and if you were so responsible why would you have given any kind of timetable before talking to military leaders, or visiting the military leaders on the ground.

GOOD. Safety and Security first. I get it. I don't know why others are pretending to be THICK SCULLED on this issue.

DEMOCRATS UNITE!!!

It is not you Mr. Obama it is the media changing your words to say want they want to hear you say.

Wow!! CNN is actually posting a story pointing out an Obama reversal?!?! I'm pleasantly surprised. Maybe the media's love affair with the "rock star" candidate will be over, and we can start having a serious discussion about the issues. It's a step in the right direction.

Quit trying to create a story here!! The guy has been consistent with his stance on the war and spelled that out again yesterday very clearly!!!

It's obvious now, Ron paul is the only candidate that will bring our troops home.