(CNN) – If reporters had nabbed former presidential candidate John Edwards lying about his extramarital affair, Hillary Clinton would have captured the Democratic presidential nomination, her former communications director said.
"I believe we would have won Iowa, and Clinton today would therefore have been the nominee," Howard Wolfson told ABCNews.com in an interview released Monday, because internal campaign polling showed "our voters and Edwards voters were the same people. They were older, pro-union. Not all, but maybe two-thirds of them would have been for us and we would have barely beaten Obama."
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Two months after Edwards first denied rumors of the affair, Barack Obama's win in the Iowa caucuses - and Clinton's third-place showing behind Edwards - fundamentally altered the shape of the race.
"Any of the campaigns that would have tried to push that [rumor] would have been burned by it," said Wolfson, who said he did not understand why, in his view, the national media had not aggressively reported the story. "I can't say I understand the rules of the media and I'm not sure they do either."
Clinton officials have long blamed the media for her failure to live up to pre-vote expectations.
Obama's campaign has disputed the idea that Edwards voters were natural Clinton voters if he were to exit the race, pointing to the fact that once the former North Carolina senator dropped out, Obama immediately went on to a string of victories, racking up 11 in a row. They also say that anti-war liberals in Iowa would not have supported Clinton, given her vote authorizing the use of force in Iraq.
The available numbers tend to argue against Wolfson's point of view, says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
Among Edwards voters in Iowa, CNN polling indicated that Obama was the second choice of 43 percent, and Clinton of 24 percent, with 11 percent naming other candidates.
"Since Edwards got 30 percent of the vote, we can estimate that if Edwards had not been in the race, Obama would have picked up an additional 13 percentage points, and Clinton would have picked up an additional 7 percentage points," says Holland. "So hypothetically, if Edwards had not been in the race, Obama would have still won the Iowa caucuses by a 51 to 37 percent margin."
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Please!
I now see that this will be getting old very soon.
Hillary just admit loss and go on.
And IF I had of bought shares in microsoft back when, i would have been a millionaire. IF, IF, IF... Come on people, she didn't win cause she wasn't meant to win. SHE LOST fair and square and thank GOD. I don't want someone running my country who can't even manage her own campaign or its finances. Plus she is an evil woman, no wonder her supporters are so wicked.
I cannot believe the mindset of these Clinton people.
Didn't Bill Clinton have a whole string of affairs, even having intercourse with an intern while his wife was in the same building?
Under Howard Wolfson's reasoning, Bob Dole could have won in 1996 if Bill Clinton hadn't covered up his affair with Monica.
The Clintonistas are just so arrogant and hypocritical.
Oh, cry me a river!!! Cry me a river!! Cry me a river!!
And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt every time he hopped!! If... if... if... if... if... talk about your sore losers!!! Get over it already!! She lost... go hide in the closet if you're gonna keep crying about it. We'll get you some tissues for your issues....
If this, if that. You lost! Move on...
Whatever, stop whining already
Hillary did win. Count the popular votes. She was cheated out of the nomination by moveon.org, Coward Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Reid.
A false hope calling for change (into what no one can say) with no qualifications whatsoever is going to lead the blind.
Come on, Clinton Klan. Stop the nonsense. If Edwards was forced to drop out, then Hillary would have won. Well, if Hillary would have gotten more delegates, she would have won. If she would have gotten more superdelegates, she would have won.
If she would have WON, she would have won.
This crybaby stuff is getting old and played out. It seems as if they are trying to Sabotage Obama.
Could you imagine if the roles were reversed and Obama's camp tried this?
Hillary is done. She won't be president...Ever. It's okay, because neither will I.
Go away gracefully, Hillary and your staff. It's the last thing that you can control to save face.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT! And THAT is why the ultra liberal media - such as CNN – covered up the Edwards affair until the DNC had handed the nomination to Obama. It was pretty clear during the primary debates that Edwards was NOT particularly enchanted with Obama and his 140 "present" votes in Illinois. The Edwards supporters would definitely have switched to Hillary if this miserable story had been reported when it SHOULD have been reported!
whatEVER! get over it.
hahahahahaha GET OVER IT YOU FREAKIN BABIES!
yes, it would have altered the shape of the race, but who's to say it wouldn't have tipped the scale even more for obama? good gosh, stick a fork in it already!
Absolutely Clinton and Edwards supporters were much the same. Which is why the question can be posed: After Edwards left, did Obama's campaign blackmail him into the endorsement? After all, Edwards & Clinton's positions were MUCH more in line with one another. Hmm.... wouldn't surprise me.
GEEZ, TALK ABOUT SORE LOSER, LET IT GO, HILLARY LOST ... EDWARDS DROPPED OUT EARLY AND SHE STILL COULDN'T PUT AWAY A ROOKIE!!!
it's absolutely the truth - the media nominated Obama from Day 1.
It's a joke.
Former Democrat Still for Hillary.
Write in candidate 08.
Or if it had rained on the last primary day. Or if it had/hadn't been a full moon. Or if the flying monkey contingent had turned out more strongly for Hillary. Or ....
Jeez, get over it.
Give me a breack...!!!!
No question about it. The media didn't want Hillary and I suspect that Mr. Dean didn't want her either.
She is a winner while Obama is risky and a whiner. All he does is complain and he has no resume.
When you think of Obama, think of the green corn in August in the mid west Nice to look at, big and tall, but not ready for prime time.
Obama is a loser.
The national media chose Obama from the very beginning and did everything they could to make sure he won the nomination. This includes covering up anything that would have helped Clinton, as John Edwards' removal from the race certainly would have helped her. I voted for Edwards in 2004 and again in 2008, but I am so disgusted with him now I would NEVER vote for him again!
Was for Hillary... Now for McCain.
I'm a Proud flip flooper!!!
she should have won period. Then the polls wouldn't be so tight. Then we would have a choice of 2 people with experience, not one with experience and one who does what ever the polls tell him to and then has the press cover it up for him. Now wait, isn't that what they did for edwards? why didn't the main stream media pick up on the story years ago? I guess they were to busy covering up for obama! trying to make obama look like god.
get over yourselfs "clinton camp"
OH SHUT UP AND GET OVER IT. SHE ISN'T THE THE NOMINEE SO MOVE ON.
So Howard Wolfson is now a psychic? Give me a break! He's knows as much about the future as I do.
He conveniently forgets it's his bad advice that helped cost Senator Clinton the nomination.
SHE LOST! GET OVER IT!
Okay, Obamabots. Go easy... Wolfson is just stating a fact. He's not campaigning for Hillary to be the nominee. Don't worry... it all fell into place for your boy.
OH BOO HOO BOO HOO....
YOU LOST... shut up and MOVE ON
Just goes to show you all things happen for a reason. Maybe there was some good that came out of this tragedy after all.
Would have, could have....
Hillary is into the conspiracy theory again, isn't she?
I guess they are pressing on who kept Edwards' affair secret till now.
There is a difference between telling lies and not volunteering facts.
Bill Clinton is the master of it.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO HEAR THIS CRAP. HILLARY CLINTON IS A THING OF THE PAST. SHE IS SO DESPARETLY TRYING TO WIGGLE HERSELF BACK INTO THE LIME LIGHT. NO SHE WOULD NOT HAVE WON! SHE IS BITTER, NEGATIVE AND HAS BILL TO DRAG AROUND HER NECK. IF SHE WANTS TO BLAME ANYONE FOR HER NOT WINNING THEN BLAME ANY OF THE ABOVE. SHE NEEDS TO GO AWAY AND STAY AWAY. WE ARE SICK OF HEARING HER WHINE OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
"woulda, coulda, shouda........
Life just doesn't work that way.
HOWARD WOLFSON IS BITTER!!!
If the Edwards affair had blown up prior to Iowa, Bill Clinton's dalliances would have received renewed coverage. That would have been a big negative early on for Hillary.
Easy for him to say. We will never know.
Why can't Hillery's supporters just let it go!!!! Hillery lost because of the horrible campaign she ran and for no other reason. Gheez –you guys are a bunch of whiners and sore losers. Enough already!!!!
Let it go already, let it go, let it go, please let it go!!!!!
In life there is no place for IFs and BUTTs. So shut up and accept what people decided for you.
Edwards is a slime ball,now we know why he did not stay with his with his wife when she was battling cancer! HILLARY WE LOVE YOU!!
Sure - and if pigs had wings they would fly.
You Hillary folks need to get over it and get with the program. When need to elect Obama or this counry will go to hell. Its is as simple as that. Get it together.
It's a pity that this didn't come out sooner. I bet all the Obamabots who wanted Edwards as Obama's VP are crapping in their pants. Goes to show they didn't know what they were talking about.
Get over it already.
2×0=0.
Well this is news. I didn't know that Wolfson and Nostradamus were related. This guy can see into alternate realities. Yea, last I checked, more Edwards supporters flock to Obama than Hillary. But what do I know, Hillary might have won the nomination.
A distorted reality is now a necessity to be free.
Who's to say that Obama wouldn't have got a larger percentage of Edwards votes?
This is why we have a candidate that is not viable and will not win the General Election!
The pupet who lost an election in a year that should have been a landslide victory for the Dems!
It is not too late........ take it to the floor in Denver Hillary!
Give it up, already!
Woulda, shoulda, coulda.......
Clinton lost. Get behind Obama or you are ensuring the Republicans will keep the White House, yet again.
Does Clinton and her supporters really want that?
Get a clue.
good lord, get over it.
here we go.
Great. Then we would have replaced on liar with another. "When we land we were under sniper fire, blah, blah, blah ,ups... I mis- spoke
I just don't understand why Hillary Clinton and her supporters accept that she lose fair and sqaure. Obama can say the same thing about Edward affair. She is just a sore loser and I am so sick of hearing about her.
Looks like Hillary Clinton isn't the only woman in the world who "stood by her man" after he had and "affair", and probably won't be the last.
It wouldn't have mattered afer Bill blew it for Hillary the fat lady was singing at the top of her lungs!!!!!!
Give it uuuuup...........................
Is there anyone or organization that the Clintons do not blame for their failure to capture the White House once again in order to make fools of the country? Their story would make a great country and western song.
If Perot had not competed, Bill would not have won.
If Hillary had won Iowa, she wouldn't have cried in NH.
If Bill had not shared a cigar with Monica, Gore would be cheering Americans in Beijiing. And the list goes on. What's the point? This campaign, over and buried, still amazes us by their inability to do anything right so they have to blame others for their own faults. Thank God that woman never became the President.
What is it with this "would of could have if this if that " Crap. OMG. so many say they could have won if this and if that. Get over it. this lady needs a Reality check. freakin sour looser. it is just destroying her for 2008. she will be labeled as the "Whinner"
Still tossing out excuses
If I would have played the lottery today and hit I would have been have million by now. Same thing with this story. If, IF, AND IF. Too bad if don't count! The Clintons are hurting the party and they just don't care.
Oh get over it! Obama is the guy vote for him or get McBush. Its Simple.
Stop it cnn. Leave it alone quite trying to cause problems. And people before the hate starts Hillary didnt say this and the aide is stupid.
oh no ! not another "if..." from another clinton supporter
don't these people get it ... she lost the nomination... fair and square... no way to circumvent that reality...
Oh please. Holy cow. It's over, Hillary. You will NOT be the next President or even Vic President. Let it go. You lost.
OMG....get over it, Hillary lost.
those rumors about Edwards were being reported on. If you all were doing your job instead of trying to smear Sen Obama, you could have used some of your money to investigate the allegations.
Instead of attacking the real losers, you spent time and energy attackintg a good moral man, but I don't expect you Hillary people to feel bad about that because most of you are uneducated.
I believe that the outcome of the Dem primaries would have been to Sen. Clinton's advantage had this story been pressed. It seems to me that she has been thrown under the bus by the DNC. All of those PUMAs out there should be quite riled by this!
Yawn--More "what ifs" for the Hilllary campaign.
So this is how you're going to go about building a stronger party? You blame your loss on the timing of another candidates exit? Why couldn't you simply attract those voters yourself in the first place? I could see if you fiinished second there but you didn't. You were third. That's just a sad statement at this time to make. Pathetic.
The Hillary camp will never give it up. Talk about sore loser........
Obama and Edwards supporters were a lot closer than Clinton and Edwards ones. Wolfson had better look in the mirror as he's one of the big reasons Hillary lost. Mark Penn and Bill Clinton can look in the same mirror. Will this guy ever go away?
Woulda, coulda, shoulda – what difference does it make now?
a-hahahahahahaha!!!
man, she'll say anything, won't she? she didn't lose, she woulda won, etc etc. i tell you how she'dve won – with more votes. america didn't want her, and still doesn't. take it back to arkansas and find some more land deals, lady. you'll never be president of this country...
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Obama '08
could have, would have let's move on
Howard should quit crying. The truth is, had she been a better candidate you would have won the nomination. Just because she may have won Iowa, and there is no way to know that now, it does not mean that she would have won any of the other state than the ones she did win. None.
Howard has short term selective memory, just like he and the campaign had during the primaries. The race is over, you lost and move on. Crying about it makes you look small and petty... oh wait that is who you are.
Once agin I am shocked at what I see. The Clintons did not want Obama to win. Thats why Bills been acting like a baby. Any other time he would be in front of every camera he could find. But now hes got to much on his plate. Like What ever. They want the White House so bad they would , hate on Obama and put a negative stero type on there own heads. WOW This goes to show that anyone can have a serious mental issue and still have power and money..... Owww power and money make people crazy.... yeah there we go!
Mention of Edward affair could have also be a down fall for the Clintons becasue it would have reminded everybody of Bill Clinton affair so there is not way she can say this type of statment.
Do you think that Obama can now get those votes?
I suspect he'll get some, but not all.
That is why this race is so close and Obama could very well lose it!!!
Give it up already.....would have, should have, could have....
You lost Hillary, put it to rest.
I think he is right about the fact that most populists saw Edwards as our best chance, and Clinton as a less than perfect (NAFTA) second choice. Whether that would have changed the fact that Wolfson and his team were completely inept, and treated their job like a joke with a paycheck leading up to a coronation and thereby blowing any chance of Hillary getting the nomination, is a different matter.
Get a life. If "ifs" and "buts" were berries and nuts, what a wonderful world this would be.
AND IF I WERE OBAMA, I WOULD HAVE WON.
Howard Wolfson is an incredibly bad team player. If Hillary had any kahunas she would publicly distance herself from him. Talk about sour grapes at a critical time..
Seems like an suspicious series of events. I am not pleased with either party's efforts to influence the primay process. The Democrats are ousting their moderates and the Republicans their conservatives.
Yeah right-get real!!!!
First blame the media as sexist, blame the DNC, blame BHO, now
John Edwards, wow, when are you going to grow a pair and take
responsibility. Impossible!!!
HERE'S TO ALL YOU CLINTON SUPPORTS: OBAMA RAN OFF HIS COAT-TAIL NOT HILLARY'S, AND IF HE LOSES SO BE IT!!!!!
ENOUGH-IS-ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hillary's people - and Hillary herself (calling Obama "... my 'opponent'..." instead of "... our nominee...") keep playing woulda/coulda/shoulda and re-raising self-serving versions of "If it had all been different we would have won..."
Can you say, "President McCain"???
LMAO .. Is this Guy Crazy???
Hillary would have lost to a larger margin in IA & SC & definitely lost NH .. If Edwards was pushed out ......
the nomination would have ended when Obama won the 11 straight consecutive wins
Let it go already! We can speculate for days on end. What if Obama was white....Hillary would have never had a chance.
sorry but this is BS
Edward was before the Super Tuesday, and still she was not able to close the deal
AND IF WISHES WERE HORSES BEGGARS SHALL RIDE, HAHAHAHA!!!!!
you lost. get over it HIllary!
Shoulda coulda woulda.
She Still Would Have Lost! It Was The Way She Poorly Ran Her Campaign That Caused Her To Loose!
Sometimes we really can be a nation of whiners – especially if your a sore loser like Hillary's Howard Wolfson.
HIS campaign strategy lost it for Hillary, not Edwards and not Hillary. Cowboy up Woldson and take the blame – if your man enough. And as for you repug leaning PUMAs – Deal with it and get behind Obama. Don't cost the Dems the White House 'cause your pouting over your guy (OOPs, girl, OOPs woman, OOPs candidate) losing it...
If Hillary had any kahunas, she would publicallly distance herself from Howard Wolfson. Support the team, Dems. There is just too much at stake!
They just don't stop finding awful reasons to complain and whine. Give it up already, the primary is over and Obama is the nominee.
Wolfson speaks like a sore loser. I'm tired of the speculation. "Hilary would have won if this happened..." "Hillary would have won if that happened..." Would her team PLEASE stop undermining the Democratic party with statements like these?
Sadly, this is probably true. Goes to show the media screwed up its responsiblity being in Obama's hip pocket. Look at the spectacle in Europe with cameras and reporters in tow. Yet, this guy was voting "present" 4 years ago in the Illinois state legislature. As a Hillary Democrat, I support John McCain and the ticket.
Wow, is there no end to the continuum of excuses why Hillary the Victim lost the primaries? I can't believe I ever thought of voting for her. I am sick to death of this woman! I was really looking forward to the Democratic National Convention, even the portions involving Hillary and Bill, but now I just want it over with so we can move on with no more Clintons.
O LORD, LADY GIVE US A BREAK.
AND IF I WERE MICHAEL PHELPS
I WOULD WIN 8 OR 9 MEDALS AT THE OLYMPICS.
IS THIS A SURPRISE TE MEDIA DOES NOT WANT HILLARY AS THE DNC. I SAY TO THEM THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA DOES NOT WANT THE PUKE MEDIA OR THE DNC ANYMORE.
amber, seriously? blackmailed into an endorsement??
lololol get real
sigh. . . .
Woulda Coulda Shoulda....
soo lame... lets move forward with the dabtes & November people
-V
Get over it. The Clinton campaign demonstrated that they would do anything to win the nomination – even if it meant seriously wounding the credibility of the eventual nomineee. And they STILL lost. Now they are savoring their sour grapes.
Granted, John Edwards should have come clean about the affair – or decided not to run in the first place. However, even if every Edwards supporter had theoretically clamored to the "Clinton" camp (I, for one, would not have been one of them), and she had won, retrospective bitterness gets you nowhere.
Get behind your candidate (yes, Obama is your candidate now) or you can live with another 4 years of a Bush administration, Wolfson.
Yet more proof that the media selected the DNC nominee.
I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU COULDN'T RUN A CAMPAIGN WITH ANY
KIND OF EFFICIENCY OR DIGNITY. SURE AS
HECK YOU CAN'T RUN A COUNTRY.
GET OVER IT.
These were my thoughts exactly. She would have won Iowa and the momentum would have built from there. The media has done a great disservice throughout this campaign to the Clintons and the American people..
My vote is for McCain 08 now!
I thought the reason the Clintons lost was because the MSM was in love with Obama? Or because the Democratic establishment was against them? Or because the focus was on delegates, not a big state strategy? Or because of sexism? Or because of...
Yeah, and if the DNC had not hand selected Obama she would have won too. If she is not on that ticket me, my family, and a lot of my friends here in FL will be voting McCain instead of Obama this year.
Oh jeez...not this again..
All together now Billary Puma whiners.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
IF – We can't live with What IF's!!!! Obviously the VOTERS didn't want Hillary either-or they would have voted for her when Edwards Dropped Out.....so lets move on people.
For the sake of this country, I hope Hillary can still win. If the superdelegates did the right thing for this nation, this Obama farce could be put to bed and we could take control in the White House again. Obama will NEVER win the GE. The DNC knows it and the superdelegates know it. Why do they insist on sabatoging the democratic chances of election?
Nominate her and they will come......
It's very karmic, isn't it all?
If her husband HADN'T been a philanderer, she wouldn't be senator and even in the running for president.
Now she says that if Edwards philandering had been discovered sooner, she would be president.
I guess if you live by the cheating husband, you die by the cheating husband.
What does John Edwards have to do with Obama winning the nomination. Once Edwards dropped out of the race majority of his supporters went to Obama.
Hillary did win, remember? That is, if the people's votes had counted. You deniars will be crying in November, but turnabout's fair play.
Maybe if Edwards were able to make a commitment, either to his wife or at least to politics, he would have been a factor instead of a wrench in the works.
McCain '08 Clinton '12
Wolfson must be kidding. I believe many voters like myself were undecided between Barack and John, but either one was a better alternative to the Clinton machine.
The time for a change in Washington was upon us. Hillary Clinton represented the old guard as could be seen from her supporter base.
Phil
I live in IA, and I have to say that this shows how out of touch Hillary Clinton can be. My choice was always between Edwards and Obama - there is no one in my precinct who I saw deliberating between Edwards and Clinton. There was a huge percentage of people in IA who simply did not trust Clinton, and having Edwards out of the race would just have likely meant a bigger Obama win.
All I have to say for Obama in Denver - watch your back with Hillary at your side.
If horses were dreams we would all ride ....
Hillary and her advisors are delusional. Edward’s supporters likely would have moved to Obama. After Biden dropped out, I wanted Edwards to win, because by that time, I was already totally unimpressed by what Hillary had to say and how she ran her campaign. Also, I still reset Bill for making a joke of the white house with his affair and tired of Hillary’s stand-by-my-man/Feminist, oxymoron stance. I liked Obama at that time, but did not think the US was ready to overcome the Race issue.
Hillary’s crazy sexist/racist zealot following scare me because of their seemingly willingness to undermine Obama’s and the Democratic Party’s ambitions to take back the white house.
That's funny, didn't most/all of Edwards' delegates announce their support for Obama? I guess the Clinton cult missed that bit of news. She lost. Get over it. These hypothetical situations that could have happened and led to a Clinton victory are getting ridiculous, old and making Clinton and her supporters look like obsessed freaks. Then again, they tended to look like that during the primary, too.
And if my grandfather had had wheels, he would have been a wagon....
Would of, Could of, Should of.... That is all Clinton has. I can't wait until someday we no longer have to get bombarded by Hillary's, her husbandf's and all of their cronies' lies and cries. She lost her entitlement package and did the whole nation a favor. No more of her populist posturing as the Clintons gut the american worker and the poor.
Good Riddance!
Can Hillary's supporters ever give it up? It's been several months since Iowa, and Hillary's people remain in denial. Can we stop with the "what if" scenarios? If people knew a lot of things beforehand, we would all be winners at some point in our journeys!
Please! A woman who is fighting incurable cancer was struggling through physical and mental anguish and all you Hillary people can do is meow and whine that she could have won!!!
May I remind you of all the scandal that would have resurfaced about her "Billy Boy"" about his sexual encounters while SERVING in the White House.. My prayers are with the Edwards. Clintons..please fly to Mars and start your own Party as far away as possible!! Leave Barack alone too!
GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!
It was SO obvious that John Edwards was defying all LOGIC WITH THE WAY he ran his campaign, stopped his campaign, and then remained silent as to his endorsement.
Now with all the facts available, we know why and the logic is apparent.
He is despicable and any and all who knew that he would not be able to pursue the nomination KNEW HE WAS IN THE WAY FOR CLINTON.
I am furious and more than ever committed to NOT vote or support Barry O.
For all of you who had a hand in this, congratulations! You people with NO moral center have placed our country in jeopardy at the hands of McCain.
dream dream, wake up and come to real world she lost, my one year old will tell you that.
SHOULD'VE!COULD'VE !WOULD'VE!
Get over yourselves. The woman lost!
There was obvious friction between Elizabeth and John during the campaign. I thought it was because he was for Obama and she was for Clinton. In an interview he said that it was important for a black man to be president and said that having a woman in the white house wasn't as important. Elizabeth about took his head off and he had to adjust his answer.
I think John had a better chance with Obama .. as did Richarson and Biden ... Clinton would have been forced to pick Obama for her running mate ... but not the other way around? hmmmm .. sexism at it's finest!
What's the use of dredging this up? Whatever happened happened, and that's the end of it.
Clinton and her supporters will not ACCEPT DEFEAT!! Give it up losers, you lost fair and square (even with lots of help from the republicans). Obama won and will be the next president. Stop with the coulda, woulda, shoulda nonsense.
I don't think Obama should let the Clintons speak at the convention either. He doesn't need their support. They are still trying to make this about them. The Clintons should crawl back under that rock and stay there til after the election is over.
Obama '08/'12
Just put her name on the ballot for the convention and see what happens... what's wrong with that?
Obama is falling daily... he can't form a complete sentence without a teleprompter... he will not win... and the DNC will be to blame.
But whatever... you all want McCain... so be it...
Sounds like poetic justice of some sort.
I don't know why BO supporters are so defensive over this. It's an interesting thought and worth discussing. There are so many variables with the nomination process, none more important, in my opinion, than the order of the states. Had PA and OH been two of the first 5 or 6 states, I think the process would have been over before it started and HC would be fighting McCain right now. But Obama ran the race that was in front of him and won, fairly and intelligently.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... Maybe if I bought Facebook shares in 2004 I would be a millionaire today.
I play sports. Sometimes you are within one point of winning and you end up losing, even though you gave it your very best. Been there many times. What happens when you lose? LEARN FROM IT AND MOVE ON! Whining gets you nowhere.
Enough about the primaries. Lets focus on wiping up McSenile and take back the country.
Obama/Sebelius 2008/2012.
More whining from the Clintons. For God's sake, Hillary, will you and PUMAs give it a rest. You LOST the nomination because YOU ran a terrible campaign. At what point, Hillary, do you plan to take some personal responsibility for the failure of your campaign instead of blaiming others for your shortcomings?
GIve me a break would of , should of , could of . Wolf are you having slow week? who cares she lost there is no if and but about it. Stop talking about big IF. It is like me saying if I would have chosen a career in politics I would have been the president of the united states by now.
Is this theater, who could have written so much drama? Hillary could've won because of an other mans affair? What if she lost because of her own mans Affairs?
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Ugh. Hillary lost, she is back in the Senate and there is no way to prove what Wolfson is saying. Give it up already and focus on unifying behind Obama.
CNN Bloggers: If anyone thinks that Bill and Hillary Clinton want Sen. Obama to to will is living in a fantasy world. Obama won eleven straight primaries after John Edwards was out of the race.
Hillary Clinton is still calling Sen. Obama "my opponent" in a speech before her supporter. To see so many smart people in this country put their lives on hold because of the Clintons is just inredible to me. What about the working guy who has never cheated on his wife and lied to the country? Shouldn't he have center stage rather than Bill Clinton.
With the Clinton's, it is all political. But as I've always said, Sen. Obama will win and the USA will be better for it.
Please Note Haters,
This is not Hillary saying this, it is that dimwit she hired. I would hope my lesser employees are not used to quote ME when folks wanna know what I think.
If you can't read enough of an article to figure out who is talking, you might think about not commenting, and proving your less than capable mental capacity.
That said....... Go Obama.... your our only hope (and that means a LOT of hoping since I have little confidence in the guy)
Everyone who is writing things like "Hillary–just give up" and "Hillary, face it, you lost" etc, please note that it's not actually Mrs. Clinton who is making the statements, which should be obvious. Maybe say "Howard Wolfson, just give up, Hillary lost," at least that would be factually correct.
Hate to ruin a good rumination, but the fact just aren't on your side. Most Edwards backers moved to Obama after he dropped out. Also many would have moved to Richardson, Biden, Dodd, et al.
Can someone tell me why this is an issue? ITS OVER OBAMA WON! I don't care what Clinton has to say at this point, she and her husband are ego maniacs.
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings–nor lose the common touch...
Rudyard Kipling
Nafta lost her my vote and anyone else who sponsors it.
THERE ARE A LOT OF IFS IN THAT STORY.
THAT IS ONLY ONE OF THEM.
HERE ARE A FEW MORE.
IF YOU DIDN'T OUT RIGHT LIE SO MUCH.
IF YOU & BILL DIDN'T USE THE RACE CARD.
IF YOU DIDN'T PRAISE THE REPUBLICANS SO MUCH.
IF YOU DIDN'T RUN SUCH A POOR CAMPAIGN.
IF YOU DIDN'T USE EVERY DIRTY TRICK, YOUR FRIEND
CARL SUGGESTED. & THE LAST & MOST IMPORTANT IF,
IF WE THOUGHT YOU WOULD SERVE ANY ONE
ELSE OTHER THAN YOUR LOBBYISTS, BILL & YOU.
Would Bob Dole have won if Bill Clinton had admitted his affair with Monica. Did Hillary not know?
If Ross Perot did not run in 1992 Bill would not be a president and therefore Hillary would not be first lady or even a presidential candidate ...................
Woulda...Coulda....Shoulda..... Come on....can't people just stop with the "What ifs...." already.
What if Clinton had run a better campaign...What if Hillary didn't use Bill...What if Hillary didn't under estimate the caucus states....what if...what if...what if...
Obama will be our Democratic nominee and all Obama and Hillary supporters need to rally around Obama so the Democratic can get the White House back and get America back on track.
I love watching the Democratic party implode on itself. The fact that the Clintons are the reason just makes it that much sweeter.
All of Edward's supporters got on Barack's band wagon...good try CNN!
i'm sure dick gephardt and chris dodd and lieberman and kucinich are all wondering what could have been too... but they don't get front page for still being bitter about it do they?
ron paul in '08!
If I'd have studied more in school, I would have made straight A's
May be you would have won if Bill didn't sleep around so much !!
Or if the sky weren't bue !!
What if,What if !!!!
GET OVER THE LOSS DUE TO SHODDY CAMPAIGNING !!!!!!!!
i totally agree with this, she definitely would have won, and in fact she did
there are so many ifs, if America, didn't have certain past practice i would have ran for president years ago
oh my gosh, get over it already
Ed in Santa Fe, remember that when your BOY loses in November.
...P.U.M.A.!
We want Hilary, and we will NOT SETTLE for Obama.
No Hilary, no vote. The DFL Can blame themselves for Rigging the primaries when they lose the Election.
Themselves, and ONLY themselves; you can't expect us to vote for someone we don't believe in.
Sara
Woulda coulda, shoulda, shut up Wolfson, and go and crawl under a rock somewhere while you are getting paid by by Fix News, you and Penn screwed the Clinton campaign, herself did a good job at it too. Stop blemming others for your mistakes. Sore loser
I believe it!
Once again it's all about her. If ,If, If. How about some personal responsibility had you run a better campaign, reduced the inner circle of chiefs, and paid attentention to all states whether they were caucus or not you would not have been beaten by a rookie. This was not your first time in the presidential primary tent. Admit it your EGO got away with you, and you LOST. Time to stop pointing finger and whining. How are your ardent supporters supposed to move on if you won't?
no worries – her delegates will vote for her at the convention, you wait and see. Obama keep ignoring Hillary and your going to regret it come election time.
Wow, such unvarnished hatred from the Obamanation! Take note HRC supporters; you are the wrong sort of democrat in your own party.
People who have 'bad talked' the Clintons just won't get it. Peace, prosperity in the 90's and respect of the International community. That's why we elected Bill and for Hillary to stand by him and this country showed the World her character, focus and this past year and half, her dedication to what's good for America.
Obama supporters, Reid, Pelosi and 'Yeehaw' Dean think they can dictate who we get as a President. They've all changed the Democratic Party to the Dictatorship Party.
Again, if Obama selects Hillary, he wins. If not, McCain gives us 4 yrs (God Willing) of what we could have seen in 2000.
Clinton should get a life ! If, if, if, the fact of the matter is : She LOST, square and plain.
Clinton is stumping for Obama – but aides still wonder what might have been-Barack Obama's win in the Iowa caucuses and Clinton's third-place showing behind Edwards
Check it out –Without Edwards Obama Wins Iowa......Hillary 2nd Place ..are sure that Edwards voters would have voted for Hillary ?
Obama immediately went on to a string of victories, racking up 11 in a row. the anti-war liberals in Iowa would not have supported Clinton, given her vote authorizing the use of force in Iraq.
Hillary aides need to shut the H_LL up and move on !!!!
STOP WHINING !!!!
I'm still waiting to hear how Hillary's campaign bombed out because she had incompetent people run it. Enough with the excuses.
It's common when a scandal breaks to go back and indulge onself in a string of "what-ifs." So in this case, the Clinton supporters, and Hillary herself, do not deserve the hateful retorts that so many Obama people continue to heap on her. One would think that since Obama himself holds Hillary and her husband (and his former staff), his supporters would be more charitable. Nothing will change that, however, and so the beat goes on.
Oh please us a break already. The old gray mair lost ok, the race is over and she did not win. People have left the track. Its over, get over it. Quit whining and move on with your life. Stop count to 10 take a couple of deep breaths and repeat after me, "It will be ok, life will go on without Hillary. She lost and we can not bring the vote back.".
Come on all you loonies! Let's hear about the "conspiracy" between Obama, Edwards and the DNC. You all really need to get a life ... and fast. While you're at it, maybe you can start donating big time to help Hillary pay off her debt. That would be step one in YOUR Clinton cocktail drinking cult-like recovery!
The real losers are the media... Leave it alone...
Fair point! But they need to get over it!
Man, it's a good thing I didn't have an affair like John Edwards.
Now the Clinton camp is blaming John Edwards for their lost. Blame everybody but themselves. Obama should not even give HRC the spotlight at dem convention. Ridiculous!
Dream on!
YaWN...tired and old BS!!
She lost...get over it already....talk about whinners and poor losers!!!
And we're still talking about Clinton??? The Clinton Show was over a long time ago.......WHY WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT CLINTON-GET OVER IT–SHE LOST!
Try the serenity prayer....accept the things you cannot change, change the things that you can, have the wisdom to know the difference. What is it that you don't understand?? I suppose you could also say, IF Barack Obama were not born, you could have won also,
coulda, woulda shouda, if if if if if if.......come on, get a life.
It might also have helped to be a better candidate.
All this IF talk will not change the fact that Obama is the nominee. Get over it Hillary lost. If Hillary and her supporters continue the way they are going, it just goes to enforce what the republicans have being crying for years that Hillary is very polarizing and any chance in 2012 will never be feasible. Be careful what you wish for cos you may have dug her grave already. Enough said
If Edward affair was reported earlier Hilary would have won
If the media did not support Obama Hilary would have won
if Hilary had ran a good campaign she would have won
if I had voted for Hilary she would have won
If Hilary did not cry in NH she would not have won
If Bill Clinton had conducted himself well Hilary would have won
if they were no caucaus states Hilary would have won
If Hilary had noted against authorizing the war in Iraq she would have won
If the weather was good Hilary would have won
If Hilary won more delegates she would have won
If Hilary won more super delegates she would have won
If if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if
hilliary clinton lost because she is not the better candidate. her campaign strategy did not work, she and her team were incompetent they could not handle their finances, so how can she handle that of the nation.
she is looking for any and every excuse to explain away her lost – instead of taking responsiblity for it.
we see the real clintons at their best – corrupt – giving excuses – and blaming everyone else, lies lies and more lies – how sad!
the nominee is barak obama and that is that. hilliary and her ineffective team need to move on.
she can't be trusted and barak does not need her as his vp enough americans desire to go in the direction of change in political policies
and getting rid of the corruption obama/08
obama is a man, for the people the american public. he cares about our voices been heard ,not goverment red tape.
how is Edward's affairs different than Bill's? If this had come earlier, all it would have done, is stir up more of Bill's problems. and there is NO way you can say for sure that all of Edwards supporters would have been for Hillary....
GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!
At least CNN had the right picture of Hillary supporting Obama.
Why dont you all get over ...If and but's....Get a life....Life is full of if's and but's >>Law of Gravity...It was not her season....
Now is that what you think?? These people need to get a life and face reality.
Should've, Could've, Would've – Doesn't change anything. Accept and move on.
Hilary would have won under all sorts of IF scenarios.
The fact is she didn't and the nomination has been won fairly.
Time to move forward and stop the Republican demolition of the US.
This is beginning to sound like ones odds at winning a million dollar lottery but missed being the winner by one number. Hillary didn't win and it serves no purpose to support reasons she didn't win, it's nothing but a distraction.
But she is quite simply and frankly the real winner. And if she had won Iowa, the Obama thugs would have done something else to steal and cheat their way to the top.
If you don't believe what really happened just do a little research.
Are you kidding??? If this, if that...is the Clinton campaign all about ifs???
Come on now...let's start dealing with reality and the reality is that the nominee has been chosen for our party – let's move forward PLEASE!
Oh dear God! Will she ever just go away!!! Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda!!! Bla Bla Bla........
Would of, could of, should of just don't matter! Why are we again talking about Hillary in that context? It's over, lets move on!
For those (many, many, many of you) gullable enough to beleive most everything the media says and does – go make a living and be an individual...cnn/msnbc and many others are all guilty of many biases inlcluding leading the sheep to slaughter. Rich people love you guys, it makes them richer! No go get on and get in line nod nod nod...
some people could not seem to help but think by looking at their rearview mirrors! it's always IF and could have been or i should have.
IF i had only chosen the lotto numbers that came out last week, i would have won $45 million and would not be writing this blog!
Sip, sip! Keep crying Clintonites, your tears are delicious!
First if all, Edwards should not even ran for President knowing what we know now about him. Was that why he was angry at times during his campaign? Did he think nobody would find out about his extra-curricular activities. He has alot of nerve!
Wow...the Clinton people just don't know when to stop. It's everyone's fault but theirs. This is starting to annoy me.
This topic is a "Huge" distraction for the Democratic party. Are we all Democrats or what? I'll say this again to all of Hillary's supporters and the PUMA's out there. Is the ultimate goal to get a Dem back in the white house? Are you willing to support Barack in Nov 2008? If the answer is "Yes", I strongly believe Hillary would receive the same support if she ran in 2012 from Barack's supporters. The bottom line is that support goes both ways in 2008 and 2012.
The next Cafferty File should ask "who has the worst backers, Clinton or McCain?"
" IF" people in hell could get ice water ,If Hillarys husband had left the other woman alone, if the slave ships had sunk,if Eve had not eaten the apple,if fat meat was not greasey. IF,IF,IF. I Obama was a white man would she be saying IF.
I think Clinton's aid need to let go of the fact that she is not the nominee. They need to focus on on getting a Democrate in the office.
Everything happens for a reason. They should let it go!
Thanks goodness, the press did not learn the truth about Edwards.
Oh don't even remind me...the idea of Hillary for President again, actually arises my interests in what is otherwise a sham of an election between Obama and McCain..
If only..
This latest shows where real loyalties lie. Clinton, DNC, USA, or self.
Pencil yourself in Hillary....you are the only wo(man) for the job!
Hillary, be frank blame the media.. they hid this from the populous....
iowa is irrelevent EVEN if hillary won iowa, she still would of lost because of the 12 win streak during the entire month of feburary...edwards was already OUT the picture by that time
if hillary can let it go, then these crybaby supporters should as well...it's done, she lost.
Hillary and the Media's desire to create a story are giving the world a headache. They both have said if Obama was not black it would not have been a race. Reality is if Hillary was not a woman and Bill's wife no one would even know her name. Her only real claim to politics is being his wife, it has gotten her everything. People of the US do the world a favor and vote Obama.
Howard Wolfson is just blowing in the wind. Why are we still talking about the Clintons. If, Hillary plans on doing anything in the future, she needs to get her people in check; starting with Wolfson and Rendell.
Wolfson's back! What a joke. If Edwards had not been in the race, Clinton would have been destroyed by Obama far earlier in the primary.
No, if Edwards had been out of the primary in Iowa, HRC would still have come in second! Not first. Obama was first. the people in my state did not want HRC.
And I am reading that privately, among her friends and acquaintances, HRC is still saying Obama is not good enough to be Pres. She's trying to stab him in the back before the convention. Nice going, HRC, we knew you couldn't do it.
Boo hoo, would-could-shouldas don't win elections.
GET OVER IT!!!!!
Go ahead and blame everyone but yourself for why Hillary lost. You'll never understand that the majority of people will not elect another Clinton to office. She may have captured the nomination, but it would have killed the democrats chances at winning the white house. Give it up Wolfson.
It is so stupid not given Obama well deserved credit for the wonderful campaing he and his team ran!
Prehaps the new qualifing question for the candidates should be: Have you ever committed adultery?
I guess you dare not because so many of you out are unbelievable HYPOCRITES! You will always find a new excuse for not voting for the person who is qualified in every respect. I guess even if God transforms himself to humanbeing that does not look like the previous presidents of USA, he will still not be good enough for these group of Americans!
Please, Hillary just give it up! I have anews flash for you: YOU LOST–GIVE IT UP! You are looking so bad because of all this!
Hillary this, Hillary that, she must have promised all these strong supporters a top job in the White House. Let it rest people. Mr. Obama won this race fair and square. What about the 18 + supporters that voted for Mr. Obama? I guess we don’t MATTER. If Hillary have any chance of running in 2016 she needs to think real hard about this year; because this is one year that will never be FORGOTTEN.
Hey, if about a million people dropped dead tomorrow, I'd be the King of England.
I was an Edwards supporter who gave Obama a closer look– and eventually my full support– when it became clear that Edwards wasn't going to be the nominee. I chose to support Obama initially because he WASN'T Clinton. I suspect that most Edwards supporters came to the same decision.
Meanwhile, back in reality, Clinton lost because she ran a crappy campaign chock full of poor decisions. To suggest anything else is quite simply delusional.
Why does an illicit affair end Edward's political career? Because she wasn't rich? An illicit affair bank rolled McCain's career!!?
(Oh, if you say it was because Edwards lied about it, well that was one lie by Edwards, compared to dozens by McCain.)
It is appalling to me that this campaign and their supporters wouldn't bow out gracefully after the race was officially conceded to the Obama campaign. Worse yet, months later they are still speculating all of the things that might have happened to allow Hillary to win. How pathetic, you lost; game over; move on. How is this process even remotely productive to the goal of electing a Democrat to the White House?
Think about it .. mainstream news is control by the Republicans who wanted anybody but Hillary to run against. Do you think they care about Elizabeth's feelings?
Second – as far as it being a private matter ... he was running for the most powerful position in the world and knew something like this would end it and he still did it. Serious lack of judgement .. that's why we need to know ... but spare me the details.
Let's see...when exactly did Edwards drop out of the race? And when did Obama rack up the dlegate lead in the states Hillary thought were beneath her notice? You know, all those caucus states who shouldn't count? And when did Obama clinch the nomination? Where were those Edwards voters who wanted Hillary in February, March, April, May......???
Face it, if a lot of things had been different Hillary would have won. They weren't different, and she didn't win. That's life.
So there truely was a media conspirasy to keep Hillary from winning the nomination!!!!!
Just another reason not to trust the media.
Get over it.
Wow, I can't believe Wolfson is arguing directly against all polling numbers. Hillary could have won, if she'd have been smart enough not to hire these idiots who believe whatever they want regardless of the evidence.
One word.
TACKY.
If this is not the sign of a sore looser who would say or do anything, I don't know what is.
This goes on the list with saying that she should be the nominee because "hard working white Americans" won't vote for Obama.
Another word.
DISGUSTING.
Shoulda-coulda-woulda, didn't. Get over it. Do you people care more about the country or getting in your persnickety "I-told-you-sos"? This behavior is DAMAGING, to your own cause and to everyone else. Knock it off.
'Mike, TX August 11th, 2008 10:21 am ET.
Hillary did win. Count the popular votes. She was cheated out of the nomination by moveon.org, Coward Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Reid."
Popular vote doesn't win the national election nor the Democratic nomination–stop trying to change the rules!
OMG. I was for Hillary at first, but this is the kind of stuff that turned me off. LET IT GO!
If reporters had nabbed former presidential candidate John Edwards lying about his extramarital affair, Hillary Clinton would have captured the Democratic presidential nomination, her former communications director said. All I can say to that comment is it is "the pot calling the kettle black!" Hillary and Bill Clinton have enough skeletons in their political closets that even his library could not store it......What a stupid statement..
"IF"
If people in hell could get ice water, if Eve did not eat the apple,if Bill had not been with the other woman,if the slave ships had sunk,if Obama was white,if fat meat was not greasey. IF ,IF,IF.
Go Clinton, make a mess of this Obama ignormania.
Take it to the floor and let the robots sweat so much that they look like a rusted Tin Man in Wizard of Oz.
Obama is a media clown and that's all he is. He can't run a lemonade stand.
Could have, should have, would have..... what's the point of this argument on this subject!!! More useful could have, would have, should have argument would be what is we had taken precautionary measures to prevent energy crises, sub-prime mortgages, what if we had done due diligence on Iraq before going to the war etc etc etc!!!!!
Really, what the point!!
Obama would have still won....Would of, Should of, Could of never alters history. Maybe Obama would have done better in New Hampshire and California ???? This is really not a viable argument . He may ver well have done better in Nevada also.
HILLARY, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, GO FOR THE EDWARDS' VOTES AT THE DEM CONVENTION. YOU CAN NOW WIN THE NOMINATION.
AND, I DON'T SUPPORT YOU WOULD CONSIDER EDWARDS FOR YOUR VEEP???
I agree with Clinton's Aide! I wonder if Obama had an affair too!? Hope we find out before the convention.
Hillary 2008/2012
"The other day, I was hanging a clock in my bathroom when I slipped and hit my head on the toilet. When I woke up I drew THIS – the Flux Capacitor!"
Yo' Billary ... I already saw this movie ...
I love all these people here who agree with this idiot. If anyone actually remembers, Edwards dropped out of the race right at its early stages, and Obama went on to win 11 IN A ROW. I highly doubt that can be explained any other way other than him being the better candidate. Get over it. You lost. Move on. How hard is that you bitter old crones?
I agree with Wolfson. In Iowa Edwards had a huge advantage and took away many votes from Clinton. He retained all his support from 2004 when he got 2nd. Essensially he had been campaigning there for 4 years straight. Also he took alot of the Kerry backers, as there was a notion there that had the 2004 ticket been reversed, the democrats would have won. Edwards had an artifitial advantage in Iowa, and constituency that was identical to Hillary's. Had Edwards been forced to drop out, many of the Unions would have backed Hillary and Edwards constituency would have broke roughly two thirds for Hillary, and won her Iowa. This momentum would have increased her margins in NH and NV and carried her to Super Tuesday. Obama won because of Axelrod and Ploufe and a perfect storm caused by Edwards.
The sad part of this whole thing is you people claim you are democrats. This is what put Bush in power in the first place, our division. Obama's and Clintons view differ very little but yet you all are becoming these bitter conspiracy theorists as to why she lost. When people say they are going to vote for John Mccain because Hillary is not in it are selfish and are not thinking about their kids , only themselves.
Well, the only reason Senator Obama is not doing better in the poles is because of festering prejudice that still exits in this country. They forget that his mother's side of the family was WHITE, which makes him half WHITE. The people of Iowa voted for Obama because they got to know him and wanted CHANGE in this nation and we need it bad!
For the record, McBush is not change he is just set in his Mcwar ways, and has a bad attitude about life in general...Like most repubs.
Lastly, Hilary loss because she ran a horrible campaign and she let President Clinton out to play...nuff said!
Get over it Clinton. If it was meant for you to win you would have regardless. The Lord knew you didn't need to be in there so he made the final decision. You should support him instead of being a snake.
OMG ! This is ridiculous. How does she know Obama would not have won SOONER! That's my guess. The Clinton's are making fools of themselves . They show no grace. And ALL YOU CLINTONITES-put your money where your mouth is! If you each gave her a buck and 50 cents -her debt would be paid. Guess you all don't really care that much about her-do you? Or is it really ALL about YOU?
Is this another "funny math" thing?
UNITE DEMS!!
Well, well....just when I thought Hillary & supporters couldn't get any more bitter and whiny....SURPRISE!!! they can!!!
boo freaking hoo
you lost.
get over it.
Ah, the Clinton campaign continues the "but if" scenarios. Stop whining, and grow up, Clinton and her aides ran probably the worst primary campaign imaginable and had absolutely no plan beyond February. Don't blame that on Edwards, don't blame it on sexism, don't blame it on Bill. The campaign was poorly managed, take responsibility for it and stop with the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" arguments.
No she would not have! I supported her up until super Tuesday. She lost. That was when she should have dropped out. Anything after that was her own ego and it divided the dem. party in a year it should not have. The Clinton's best get on board. Their time is coming to an end.
Same as McCain - age matters and its time for young, educated and caring people in Washington. Clinton did a great job and can have a future but president or vp is out. Hillary, work on health care!!! We need it.
If the media did its job and reported the fact that Clinton is currently being sued for CAMPAIGN FRAUD by peter paul, she would of been out of this race a long long time ago.
If Florida had not invented hanging “chad” ballot
If Ralph Nadar did not run in 2000
If Florida's voting card had not looked like a Byzantine maze
If George Bush had not run for presidency
If Al Gore had won in 2000
If Kerry had won in 2004
What other political ifs does the CNN want to revisit?
GET OVER IT!!!! This is so stupid the way the Clintons are still dividing the party. SHE LOST!!!!!!! geez how long are they going to keep speculating about this that and the other. There is no evidence the outcome would have been different. People are tired of the Clintons. She was the well known brand that EVERYBODY knew and she still lost GET OVER IT!!!!! We want somebody else.
So...?
The same could be said about pstill pending Case Number: BC304174 PETER F PAUL VS WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON/April 25/2008. Thant Hillary Clinton is still facing .
Why is it the the media is not talking about this??
This is sooo true, the media covered up the affair so that he could stay in the race and force Clinton not to win in Iowa. She would have won that state easily..WE ALL KNOW IT..She is the best candidate and would be the candidate. Its all part of the right wing and male conspiracy to keep her and like minded emotionally stable women down and not win..
Is that why so many Edward supporters went to Obama after he withdrew?
This is getting ridiculous. Conspiracy theories, black helicopters, area 51, media coronation. Please get a life
Stop beating a dead horse!
Just another attempt at the failing Clinton campaign to cover its rear end for why they lost what was supposed to be a cake walk of a nomination. The bottom line is that they were tone deaf to what people wanted and underestimated Obama and his message. Likely if Edwards had not been in the race, Obama would have won by more than he did since it is clear that Edwards' supporters went to Obama by more than 3 to 1.
What is surprising ...to some degree is how sore losers the Clinton camp is, including their surrogates like Bob Kerrey who must be having senior moments himself with his racist talk. But the Clintons are sadly mistaken if they think their reluctant support for Obama will not be remembered as their political future and legacy go down the toilet. So much for milking feminism.
My goodness. Get over it already! We could go through every scenerio of the whole primary season and calculate many ways that either one of them would have one. Obama is our nominee, so drop it and move on!
Hillary for president!!!
This is for the delegetes and superdelegates. Guys and girls, please, come to your senses and nominate Hillary Clinton. You know it's the right thing to do and it's good for country. Just forget for a moment about yourselves and do something for the country. You can't believe Mr. Obama is qualified to be president and will win the election. Don't be afraid, it's not so difficult and it will feel good.
Those Clintons cannot vision themselves out of the political spotlight!! I'm not a Hillary supporter, however, Obama gains a lot of Democratic support if he chooses her for a running mate. Without her, he doesn't win!!
PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!! SHE LOST. GET OVER IT. I DON'T THINK THE CLINTON CAMP SHOULD BE BRINGING UP ANY "WHAT IFS" ABOUT MARITAL AFFAIRS. ONCE AGAIN THEY THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE STUPID. HEY BILL AND HILLARY I THOUGHT THINGS LIKE THIS WERE "PRIVATE FAMILY MATTERS" WHEN DOES THIS INSANITY END?
Ridiculous. Obama was the most popular union voters, capturing 36% of labor compared with 26% for Clinton and 23% for Edwards. Obama and Edwards also received roughly an equal share of voters over the age of 45.
Sour grapes America.
Remember this is Howard Wolfson speaking to bolster "Howard Wolfson's" professional image on why the Clinton Team lost.
Does his crystal ball also say how many of those Edwards supporters hated Hillary Clinton; either for her & Bill's past or for her being a woman?
There is nothing to be gain nor can anything be claimed from speculating who Edwards folks would have backed.
Hillary started this race with a huge lead in superdelegates and was the front runner in the polls. They blew it. It's that simple.
America...Is senator Clinton ever going to get it? I mean McCain or Obama will be in the White House and she will STILL be trying to be president. Thank God Obama is NOT pushing and feeling entitled as the first Black president in the same manner as Clinton feeling she must make history as the first Woman president. It is making it worse for all women to follow..no one likes a NAGGING COMPLAINING WHINNING WOMAN! not even America.
If "Ifs & buts" were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas every day of the year. Clintonistas need to wake up and realize that Hillary missed the bus on the way to her coronation. America is tired of them.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. But didn't. In politics, as in life, you pay your money and you take your chances. Wolfson needs to take a cleansing breath and then shut his mouth.
I don't recall that Edwards ever registered strongly enough during the campaign for this to be remotely true. If Edwards' affair had come out during the campaign, then Clinton might have lost to Obama a bit faster. Now if Obama had been caught having an affair, then maybe she would have won. Personally, I'm glad he kept his pants on (or that we don't know about it if he didn't)....
Yeah, and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!
These pathetic people are going to spend the rest of their
lives desperately searching under rocks for the reason
Hillary lost.
Maybe after that, they can all go help O.J. find the "real"
killers?
JUST SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!
This just to show thta he's computer sabby. Do you actually belive that POTUS keeps a computer at his desk? every single need he has is taking of by someone lese.
Oh,, and one of the biggest reasons for her loss was selecting Wolfson as an aid.
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Mike in TX – If Clinton REALLY WAS supporting Obama now, she would explain the math to people like you, and how Wolfson and Ickes twisted facts to make false claims about the popular vote.
One of the formulas to 'claim' a pv win was to count all of her 'votes' in MI and 0% for Obama.
Also, Ickes added 3 to her 70 delegates in Mi. The 3 he added were stolen from the other candidate who illegally kept his name on the ballot. 55% of 128 is 70, not 73!
No, it would have given Obama larger lead.
The media had the Edwards story all along but chose to sit on so the messaih would surely win. Now we're stuck with the Nobama idiot. Sounds like a cover-up and a conspiracy to me.
Vote Republican!
Anything to keep it in the news....she lost because of the campaign she ran and the American People did not like it.
Accept reality and move on.
Oh shut up already!
My God...Hillary Clinton and her supporters are starting to re-define the phrase sore looser! Get over it for God's sake.
Jesus will this ever stop? Are the Clinton's and their supporters the only Democrats in America, cause it seems that they're self entitlement continues to grow? I'm over it, so should the Clinton camp. Give McCain the office, and I promise you'll feel and look just as stupid as the people who voted in GW twice.
If, ands or buts...give us a break...bottom line she lost...the end...
Get real people. Obama is NOT the best candidate. Hillary was by far the strongest candidate out there the dems had to offer. That the media (and you) got carried away by the oratory skills of a politician is, while sad, not new (Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, etc.).
Obama is a good speaker, that's it. That you cannot see this amid all the cries for "change" is just pathetic.
Earth to Hillary: you lost the nomination to Obama. Let it go!
Yeah, and if grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa.
The Democratic party is Moderate and has been fro some time now. There are no "liberal" parties except maybe the socialst party or the green party. I'm tired of hearing from conservatives that Democrats are liberals. It's just not true. Sorry...
this is another stupid pathetic ploy to force us americans to vote for the worst candidate in US history, HILLARY CLINTON. She hasn't achieved anything in this world except take credit for Ted kennedy's healthcare plans/ideas.
This is why I hate Hillary and her campaign. they have been telling americans they won the race and that Barack is an inadequate black man. This is so wrong on all levels, and no she would not have won. The final popular vote numbers are not accurate, no one in the media seemed to take into account the 200,000 republicans who voted for Hillary by the persuasion of Rush Limbaugh's "Operation chaos". And all the caucus states that didn't get counted by the Clinton campaign.
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Wow people are still backtracking...When will people realize that the nomination was not stolen, there was no conspiracy, Florida and Michigan was not one man's master plan, and Obama was the better candidate chosen by the people.
A true winner does not just just squeak by on a technicality. Hillary was supposed to have had this nomination by a landslide. How could Barack come in and 'sneak' or 'steal' it if it really belonged to Hillary?
Vote McSame and watch Hillary be humbled by the Republican president!