September 26, 2008
Posted: 10:12 PM ET

OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) — To me, this is the most difficult topic of all they have just gotten into: the deaths of American service people in Iraq. Essentially, it really boils down to this: If the U.S. pulls out before "victory," did they die for nothing?

McCain has never said those soldiers will have died in vain if there is not victory, but says that honoring them properly means not leaving before winning.

Obama says that no American soldier ever dies in vain. It is the most painful question, I think — something that will be discussed in the history books on this era.

Filed under: Candy Crowley


Michigan Chick   September 26th, 2008 10:26 pm ET

Obama is right , we never should of went there.

Jan   September 26th, 2008 10:26 pm ET

Respect seems to be missing from Senator McCain this evening. He keeps saying "Senator Obama doesn't understand…" It seems to me McCain is just trying to get people to think he's smarter.

C Bess   September 26th, 2008 10:26 pm ET

Political baiting, when it come to thedeath of the troops

Sean   September 26th, 2008 10:26 pm ET

Victory will be found in Afganistan, NOT IRAQ.

Veena Das   September 26th, 2008 10:26 pm ET

Obama is the man - he shows much more understanding of issues than MacCain . McCain keeps saying that he went ot Pakistan and he went to Afghanistan and he went to Russia as if watching Baluchistan from the safe distance of a helicopter or a diplomatic party is the same as understating issues. It was naive of McCain to see that when Musharraf staged a coup d'etat Pakistan was a failing State - it is after money was pumped into Musharraf that Pakistan became a failed State.

trekker   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

Wish someone would define "victory" in Iraq — thousands of civilians killed — religious factions fighting with each other??

Sujoy Barua   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

Sen MacCain did not tell how long it take to make peace in Iraq. It is take 100 years to spent $10 bill. per month than it's a simple math. How much money we need to borrow from China and other international countries to do a war that we all proud of?

Rachele   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

McCain stated the soilders told him let us stay and win…
Why does he continue to make this stuff up….
I am very close to Military friends and family that have been deployed one or more times…and they are ready to come home…

Yes, they feel awful they have lost their fellow soilder friends…but they are tired…they feel lied too. We went to war and our government put them in a bad situation.

Bring our troops home…McCain stop making things up just to look and sound good.

Barney   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

John keeps twisting Obama's words

I don't trust mccain

Jamie   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

McCain is stuck in the past. After Vietnam, people did not honor the sacrifice of our soldiers….NO ONE is saying that now, but we should NEVER have gone there in the first place!!! We should NEVER have needed a surge, we need to get out!!!!!!

Victoria Collier   September 26th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

McCain might score easy points by saying we should "win" the war before leaving, but what the heck does "winning" mean? Since the reasons we went to war weren't true, how can we know what winning is? Obama is right that we should disengage and put our resources to work on true problems.

Barney   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

Do we want two mavericks in there getting even more of our kids killed?

Maverick - uncontrollable, unpredictable, reckless

No McCain

Soldier mom   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

Thank Mccain for opening American eyes . John Mccain doesn't care about nobody but himself , if we elected him more American lives will be taken! And btw Mccain my son didnt die in vein!. Before dying I received a long letter telling how desperate he and his friends were to come home! He was weighted his support on Obama!!! We want our soldiers back!!!

Fabian Blache III, Baton Rouge, LA   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

Indeed it is painful, but it highly germane to the situation the American people face as they ship their sons and daughters out each time they have been stop-lossed in this ill-advised occupation.

Murph   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

McCain thinks that he can simply warm our hearts about the time that he's spent with troops…hogwash! I want to hear substance. I love when Obama said, 'I have a bracelet too!'. The question isn't who supports the troops get it together John.

EqualBranchesofGovernment   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

Like Senator Obama said…..The Iraq War started in 2003…… not in 2007 with the surge.!! Senator Obama has been against the war from day 1……We weren't attacked on 9/11 by Saddam Hussein and Iraq…PERIOD!!

Tom   September 26th, 2008 10:24 pm ET

It seems painfully obvious to me that John McCain has lost it. Instead of saying anything of substance, all he can say is "I was in Irag", or "I was in Georgia" instead of giving a meaningful succinct, to the point answer.
How many times has he said "…..out of control". Obama is the winner IMHO. The most presidential.

Julia   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

McCain tried to use the death of 4000 men and women to justify staying in a country that the US should not have invaded. Another reason not to vote for him.

EX -Democrat now for McCain   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

McCain is right we must stay for a Victory we don't want our future young children have to go back and die! I don't really understand were Obama has lived in the past 8years?? On the moon?? Because he trying to imply that the democrats had nothing to do with the War?? Maybe if Cnn New would play back 4 months ago News when he was trashing Sen. Clinton for voting yes to go War!! The fact Mr.Obama is that no one can go War unless the Congress all vote on it?? No one in American is more Vain then the Shameless Obama. Were still for McCain!!!

Larry   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

The key question is judgement "why did we go to Iraq,when in fact it had no WMD?" Sen McCain showed real poor judgement that has cost
(1) more than 4000 American deaths,
(2) about a trillion dollars of the tax payers money (if we had that amount we would not be in this economic mess)
(3) distraction from Afghanistan (the actual fron on war on terrorism)
(4) disrespect for america in the rest of the world

Sen Obama warned us not to go into Iraq, but to instead focus our efforts on Afghanistan

Desperation from the Republican Party   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

By the way, the republicans are definitely desperate!

zuq   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

Bring our troops home. They have done what they were asked. They are the heroes. McCain and Bush should be tossed in jail for sending our troops into a war with no WMD's!

Veena Das   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

Obama is the man - he shows much more understanding of issues than MacCain . McCain keeps saying tha the went ot Pakistna a d he went to Afghanistan and he went to Russia as if wathicn Baluchistan form the safe distance of a helicopter or a diplomatic party si the same as understating issues. It wa sridiculous of McCain to see that when Musharraf staged a coup d'etat Pakistan was a failing State - it is after th money pumped into Musharraf that Pakistan has become a failed State.

Patrick, CO   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

I'm wondering if McCain feels like his POW experience was in vain. We didn't win in Vietnam. What is worse, admitting defeat with some honorable loss, or declaring victory at all costs? We kept throwing money and troops at Vietnam and still lost. How can we expect that more money and more troops in Iraq will result in a different outcome? I'm not sure that Senator McCain can objectively consider all responsibilities in Iraq. This is like a forlorn lover scraping at scabs.

MW   September 26th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

McCain was not saying that…he was saying what soldiers and soldiers families feel. I am a veteran…I can relate…I do not think Obama has a clue about the military.

Julian   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Obama is right "No American soldier dies in vain" - Pamela

tracksip   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

I have always gone to a potential enemy or anyone threating me to see if we are going to war or if we can quiet the storm. Without talks, we would have always been on the defense, causing many more problems and unrest. We have to talk in order to see where each other stands. I do not want a President who is a story teller at best. Obama is the man. Can someone stop McSame from the story telling and get to the facts?

mtb memphis   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Those that die in the support of their country do not die in vain and are honored - even if the war is not popular. But there is no victory as we would typically think of victory in Iraq. We have to have an exit strategy and get out.

RAPHAEL RUIZ   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

i know that when this debate is over everyone of the obama supporter
are going to say that this is mccains strenght and that he would sweep the floor with him.

Margarita   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

McCain is the most disrespectful candidate. When Obama speaks to him, McCain does not look at him and in fact is constantly smirking and behaving smugly and yet Obama behaves with respectful body language. When are moderators going to ask McCain about the Keating 5 and his long record of deregulation? When are you moderators going to confront McCain about his horrendous history of absenteeism and all of his opposition to Veterans' Aid Bills and the New GI Bill? He is so smug and arrogant. Truly one of the most disingenuous people I have ever seen. I for sure will never vote for McCain and if he is elected, we will leave this country.

Erika, KS   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Obama sucks. At everything. He's accomplished nothing. He speaks. That is all. No action. You people that believe him are even more scary than he is. He's done nothing to prove he can lead. Empty suit.

MPZ   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

McCain has no concept of the kind of injuries both physically and mentally IRAQ is inflicting, how sad to see from a POW.
Thereis no shame in any soldiers carrying out the orders of the commander in chief, regardless of the outcome of the war; thee is shame in the commander in chief not being able to say it is tiem to bring our young men and women home…

Kathleen   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

I too would like to see McCain actually look at the man he is debating.

Josh   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Adam, Ive noticed that too. McCain cannot even look Obama in the face, he must be scared…

Eric   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Totally support McCain. He is the leader who knows how to safely pull out our soldiers.

Jim Mclaughlin   September 26th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

McCain has clearly come out way ahead on this debate…not even close, he wiped Obama off the floor.

Erik   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Obama looks young, arrogant,and naive.

Ms. M   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Unfortunately, I am a victim of Viet Nam. My father lost his life in that war. As his child, I have lived my life knowing that he died in vain. That war, just like Iraq, should not have happened. So, even if we win, the children of those who died in this unnecessary war will lose. And, McCain's freeze on spending as a result to help bailout Wall Street, would not even pay for these children to get a proper education. What about the American people, especially our children?

Kathleen   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Can we just get McCain to promise not to let us know for the umpteenth time that he was NOT voted Mr. Congeniality? We get it John. Just stop.

megalodonbite   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Fine CNN…dont post my comments. Thats because you know I'm right. We shouldnt have been there in the first place. Deny it as much as you want. Our soldiers die in vain because of a corrupt bush-admin that McCain wants to continue. Dont worry, you dont have to post this (believe me you wont) but the voters will decide in the end.

carl from savannah   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Army Lt I concur I am a veteran and I do not have a good feeling about us fighting a war in Iraq and this is putting it mildly.

More Issues, Please NY, NY   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

McCain is obsessed with winning and losing - he has lost touch with the soldiers.

Heidi   September 26th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

Airman, Soldiers, Marines and Sailors are all volunteers and signed up to serve our country and protect you sheep from the wolves in the world and allow you to speak openly and without respect about our President, our Public Officials and our military members. What have you done for your country lately?

Democrat for McCain   September 26th, 2008 10:20 pm ET

Obama should serve in US Army for a year, he will be better informed.

Anonymous   September 26th, 2008 10:20 pm ET

How can anyone refer to "senseless deaths" of troops if they die not in vain?

NYer   September 26th, 2008 10:20 pm ET

Everyone of them need to come home. Either they fight the real threats or come home

Independent   September 26th, 2008 10:20 pm ET

Bring them home safe, sound and now.

Mack   September 26th, 2008 10:20 pm ET

I guess only pro-Obama commentary is allowed on CNN,,

Alexia   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

What Obama needs to express is that honoring them is ensuring they are cared for when they return home. Mccain has said this twice tonight, but has failed to vote for a bill that suports this. Mccain has voted down the last four bills to come to the floor to support our Iraq and Afganistan veterans. He is a veteran who doesn't support his fellow men/women in honor.

Desperation from the Republican Party   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

That's a good question, Adam. I noticed that McCain won't look at Obama, either! A blogger on Obama's website made the same observation. Obama is winning this debate and I cannot wait for election day!

Jenn   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

Love Candy! I always tell my husband that I wish you would have been my mentor growing up. I would have been a much smarter young person. I agree tough question, but McCain is sounding too old fashion. I don't think he can claim wanting change after tonight. He is showing his true colors.

Phil   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

The way you honor the service of the troops is by only using them when they are TRULY needed. We sent our beloved troops into a war for NO REASON AT ALL. We have found no WMD in Iraq and it was proven that Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Anybody that actually understands this region would have known he had no ties to 9/11.

We let our troops down by going into this war PERIOD.

Shrinath - India   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

I am strangely humming a Deep Purple song - " Soldier of fortune". Sen. Obama's answer was actually good.

rcasteel   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

I noticed that Obama has a bracelet now…but he had to look at his notes to see who gave it to him…what a cheap shot. Not even willing to memorize the name of the soldier whos death he is exploiting.

oh puhleeze   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

obama is right, no soldier dies in vain, win or lose, we forgot during the vietnam era but we understand now. mccain is caught in the last war.

amigo   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

Who wants to be the last man to die in Iraq?

LaNika   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

I love when Obama said, "I have a bracelet, too."

Chris in Fort Worth   September 26th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

For every mother of a soldier who died in Iraq who says something along the lines of the one who spoke with McCain, asking him to not let her son have died in vain and to win the war, there are a dozen mothers who say they don't want any other mother's to go through what they have gone through, like the one who spoke with Obama.

What a cheap gimmick for McCain…bring up the poor mothers. 'Good on ya' to Obama for not letting him get away with it.

julie   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

Obama looks like a little boy standing next to an experienced maverick. He sounds like an idiot….senator McCain is killing him.

navywifeforObama   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

Both points are valid but to keep insisting that our troops will have died in vain just because we need to leave Iraq is part of the policy of fear.

shawn   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

Obama is not patriotic and he devalues all those lives lost.

SOUTHERN HOTTIE   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

NO AMERICAN SOLDIER DIES IN VAIN

HOW DARE MCCAIN GLORIFY BLOODY WAR????

S. Holt   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

No solider has died in vain. However, there is a time to fight and a time to come home. People do not have to keep on dying and dying to satisfy a priniciple of whose right and whose wrong. All lives lost has served their purpose on this earth. Bring our soldiers home.

Shawn Denstedt   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

Folks, time for a reality check:
1. You're in Iraq because of a lie — there were no WMD.
2. Your Commander in Chief sent young men and women to die in vain based on a lie.
3. The REAL question is: Why would you send more young men and women to die in vain for a lie?

Lenise B.   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

No soldier ever dies or serves for nothing. That is a cheap shot to pull at our heart strings. I refuse to believe that my good friend EDMOND RANDLE died for nothing in Iraq. This is a sore spot for us all. Please don't use the soldiers and thier life of service for political gain. Honor is being willing to serve, it is not based on the success of the mission. We should have never gone on this mission in the first place.

No McCain

Haole Wahine   September 26th, 2008 10:18 pm ET

A victory is bringing home warriors who have completed the mission.

keq   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

Anybody got a fact-check on whether or not Kissinger ever said that stuff about meeting without precondition?

Zach   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

Candy, you are right, this is a tough topic… however we cannot keep losing American lives as some strange way to honor those who have already fallen.

Army LT   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

McCain disrespects the life of every soldier I have lost in Iraq, to include my own brother.

My entire battalion hates McCain.

We deserve competent leadership.

GO OBAMA!

Elexis-Atl   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

The question that should be posed is-
HOW MANY MORE TROOPS WILL LOSE THEIR LIVES B/C OUR LEADERS CAN'T GET IT TOGETHER. Our focus should be to safely and expeditiously get out troops home in a reasonable amount of time. We need to begin tying up loose ends in Iraq and Afghanistan and get our men and women home. They have been through enough.

barakdavote   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

while i dont support the war, i DO support the troops. ever since the withdrawal debate came up - the possibility of losing the war has been on my mind. i dont want to see the death of more troops, but SURELY we should leave saying that we WON…right?

Adam   September 26th, 2008 10:17 pm ET

Why can't McCain look at Obama when he's addressing him? Have some respect and look the man in the face.

tgram   September 26th, 2008 10:16 pm ET

this is the real problem with mccain - he wants to stay there no matter what. freeze gov funding for other programs and make the taxpayers foot the bill but he will never wake up and see our country falling apart.

americans should be scared of him.

Robert Columbus, Ohio   September 26th, 2008 10:16 pm ET

Candy, how does anyone die in vain fighting for the USA? the question should be did they have to die fighting for this country?

Jdubb   September 26th, 2008 10:16 pm ET

I have to agree with Obama 100%. No American solider EVER dies in vain. And for McCain to try and us the deaths of American soliders as leverage to scare the public into staying in a war is despicable.

Revi   September 26th, 2008 10:16 pm ET

I agree…no family wants to feel their son or daughter died for no reason. This makes this discussion very difficult. The politicians realize it and still just manipulate the emotions of the families that have already sacrificed so much.

Vero   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

I really think that Obama has tried to make it a debate. At least he has looked at Mac Cain and addressed him as John, but Mac Cain has absolutely refused to look at him and has only addressed the moderator. This is incredible!

David   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

How do we honor our fallen soldiers with putting the rest of them in harms way?? A victory is bringing as many soldiers home as possible.

Jason   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

Why do people have to die for honor? Why is dying more honorable than saving lives?

mags   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

am reading Bob Woodward's book on the surge. It shows Bush as the uncommander in chief, not knocking heads in his admin while thousands died. The surge came way too late.

Jason   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

Of course they didn't die for nothing. The problem was President's terrible administration and awful errors. Under Bush and McCain, the military will continue a losing fight.

Jenna   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

What we must ask is which alternative is better, and this is difficult. Should we move along and risk lives or pull out and preserve them? Victory or not, I think self preservation is best.

Pamela   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

OBAMA IS THE MAN! No American soldier dies in vain. How dare anyone ever think that.

MrRove   September 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET

. Essentially, it really boils down to this: If the U.S. pulls out before "victory," did they die for nothing?

That's an awful and childish conclusion.

GEEZER/GIDGET '08   September 26th, 2008 10:14 pm ET

I agree but I must say I agree with Obama that it would be better if the 4K had not died in Iraq.

P.S. McCrypt needs to stop act so condescending to Obama that is starting to get old.

Anonymous   September 26th, 2008 10:14 pm ET

you won't let me comment

Ken   September 26th, 2008 10:14 pm ET

"No soldier ever dies in vain." Great comment. Barack should base a TV spot on that.

Lorraine   September 26th, 2008 10:14 pm ET

Obama's answer 100% true and heartfelt

Heidi   September 26th, 2008 10:13 pm ET

Obama was right on this one, we can't just keep fighting because we started. We have the ability to review our judgment.

MarioB. from Berlin for OBAMA/BIDEN   September 26th, 2008 10:13 pm ET

loooooooooool geeez it's awesome Obama mentioned McCain's leck of knowledge belonging to the Spanish Prime Minister, lool, great shot!

Maggie   September 26th, 2008 10:13 pm ET

Was that a joke McCain was trying to relay? I missed it!

POLITICS AS USUAL   September 26th, 2008 10:12 pm ET

McCain is trying to play politics as usual. He is so transparent. He keeps trying to twist facts. He is nothing more than a liar.

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