The Statement:
Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin said at a campaign stop near Cincinnati, Ohio on Oct. 10 that "Senator Obama tried to make a secret deal with the Iraqi government" to delay an agreement that would spell out the U.S. troop presence in Iraq. Referring to an Oct. 10 Washington Times article, Palin said Obama "tried to influence negotiations with Iraqi leaders in a way that would set back America's cause there."
Get the facts!
The Facts:
The United States and Iraq are negotiating a status of forces agreement, which would spell out the details of U.S. troop presence in Iraq after the U.N. mandate establishing their status expires at the end of the year. They are also negotiating a longer-term strategic framework agreement, which would define their political, security, cultural, and economic relationship.
The Times article said Obama "tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval." It said "some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute" and that Iraqi leaders said Obama "urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office - a charge the Democratic campaign denies."
The newspaper quoted Iraqi Ambassador to the United States Samir Sumaidaie about a June 16 telephone conversation between Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and Sen. Barack Obama. "In the conversation, the senator urged Iraq to delay the (memorandum of understanding) between Iraqi and the United States until the new administration was in place," Sumaidaie said. A memorandum of understanding would be a short-term interim arrangement before the establishment of a status of forces agreement.
The Times report said Sumaidaie said he "did not participate in the call... but stood next to Mr. Zebari during the conversation and was briefed by him immediately afterward. The call was not recorded by either side, and Mr. Zebari did not respond to reported telephone and e-mail messages requesting direct comment." Sumaidaie is the only Iraqi leader quoted in the story.
Palin cited the Times article and said, "We've learned that Barack Obama tried to influence negotiations with Iraqi leaders in a way that would set back America's cause there, while advancing his campaign here," according to a pool report from her campaign stop. She added, "We learned this morning that Iraqi officials are saying Senator Obama tried to make a secret deal with the Iraqi government, and he apparently wanted this action delayed, some more strategy delayed, that would reduce troop numbers until the next president takes office."
The Obama-Biden campaign says Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations. Wendy Morigi, Obama national security spokeswoman, told CNN on Saturday that Obama told Zebari he supports the adoption of a status of forces agreement with immunity for U.S. troops, and that a strategic framework agreement should be vetted by the U.S. Congress once it is forged.
The Iraqi Foreign Ministry, in an e-mail received by CNN on June 17, said that Zebari spoke to Sen. Obama, but it didn't make reference to any request for a delay. It said Obama "stressed that his administration wants to reassure the Iraqi people and their government" that it "would not make any critical or irresponsible decisions regarding the U.S. military presence and it would not undermine successes already achieved."
On Sunday, Oct. 12, Zebari issued a statement rejecting the allegations in the Washington Times article. Obama "never, ever discouraged" the signing of an agreement, Zebari said in the statement, adding, "I think this was misrepresented."
The Verdict:
In dispute. Both Obama and the Iraqi official with whom he had the conversation, Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, deny Obama ever pushed for a delay. But the article Palin was citing quoted another Iraqi official who said he was next to Zebari during the conversation and was briefed by Zebari right afterward.
(Updated Sunday, October 12, to reflect new developments)
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Sarah (power abuser) Palin is planting doubt wherever she can. That's just another distraction away from her wrong-doing.
She despicable. I'm ashamed for her.
in dispute means it is a lie especially if it is coming from the mouth of McCain or Palin.
If Obama denies it and there is no definitive proof – how could this be "in dispute"?
Call this what it is: a false allegation by a desperate campaign.
There are more ways to conduct a campaign than the Fear and Smear, Sarah.
Shame,Shame,Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another outrageous lie about the Sarah the Liar.
Another outrageous lie from the Sarah the Liar.
"In dispute"? Either Obama did or didn't. This implies that he did, which I don't believe for an instant. Produce the evidence. It wouldn't seem to me that Obama would have enough of an influence to do something so blatant. What, do the Iraqis listen to Obama only, and not the Bush Administration? One more thing: This article comes from one of the leading conservative newspapers (i.e. in the tank for McCain). Enough written.
i hope barack did try to convince them to wait before signing. gw bush wants to maintain 50 bases in iraq ,and iraq doesnt want them. they want a timeline for withdraw similar to barack's plan. we cannot afford to build and maintain 50 bases in iraq ,when we are BROKE!!!!!!! i wish mccain would concede, bush would get lost , and we let barack get started earlier ,in fixing this inexcusable mess republicans have gotten us into.
america, vote obama-biden!!!
I just can not trust Sarah Palin! This lady has got some major issues. This smears, fears campaign must stop by McSame! She is accusing Barack obam of radical ties when in fact SHE VIOLETED ETHICS, ABUSED POWER.
VOTE FOR "THAT ONE"/biden
Obviously Palin doesn't like to confuse us with the facts. Only insinuations and innuendos. She certainly has some bones rattling around in the closet, so I guess everything is fair game.
If it's charged by McNasty, then it is most probably false.
the moment i decide to vote Obama...80 years old White Lady from small town .. in her town There is no progressive talker right-wing talkers on radioall day. she ask obamab a one question ?... she asked him Who Are You? Obama responded to.. I Am Your Son .don’t let them scare you” ...
.She definately had tears in her eyes .she is voting for obama..
I am a Christian and so ashamed when this pig mouth of a woman opens her sticking gut...
Palin is a bottom eater & way out of her league in the presidential arena as well as governorship.
Get Troopergate facts !
This woman is nuts and the mere fact that she is on a presidential campaign, let alone a ticket, is an indictment against the entire Republican party leadership. The worst presidential candidate since Goldwater.... I actually have sympathy for these people if they don't think they can repress a raging tempest like Palin. Palin has no power but that which she is given by our consent to hear her out on her radical extrapolations. I will credit them for this though: when someone like her is stating their opinion, it becomes awfully easy for the rest of us to seperate the wheat from the chaf and determine the RIGHT answer to the problem. The issue is the fact that her wild extrapolations inflame our fears and threaten to make us lose control.
Just another Repuplican Lie...Yawn
McCain/Palin lie.
A town hall meeting .. in ohio 80 years old White Lady from small town .. in her town There is no progressive talker right-wing talkers on radio all day. she ask obama a one question ?... she asked him Who Are You? Obama responded to.. I Am Your Son .don’t let them scare you” ...
.She definately had tears in her eyes .she is voting for obama..
This has Bush/McCain written all over it. I mean come on . The guy making the statement did not actually hear it from Obama but some one told him?
Of course he did. All his idot supports are going to be stopped in their tracks when they see that they have backed an Indonesian Muslim. Their Messiah is going to be tossed out of the country any day now.
This is your October surprise you hope dopers.
Obama has no right to discuss any policy issue with Iraq. He is not the President, and has not been asked by the administration to represent them. I have no doubt that this is true, and Obama is delaying progress in Iraq for his own political gain. This is a violation of the Logan Act. The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years. There should be a special prosecuter appointed to investigate Obama.
Nice try McCain! Hillary already used that trick in the primary, so we will not be fooled again. Can I ask you a question Senator McCain? After seeing the poor way you vetted your VP pick, whom you asked only one question, Are you a maverick? How can we trust you? Why would we give you the benefit of the doubt on any subject after you called Senator Obama a terrorist, then turn around a few ours later and call Senator Obama a decent family man? The two are mutually exclusive Senator McCain. I, for one, suggest that you are a liar and cannot be trusted.
Carlos Jean-Gilles
St. Louis, MO
The accusation s more crap spewed by the dingly lady from Alaska...the one that abuses her power by firing the highest ranking law officer in here state for personal reasons.
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Did anyone mention that factcheck.org is also affiliated with acorn?
it sounds to me like Obama was talking about the strategic framework agreement which has nothing to do with withdrawing troops. Congress wants to be invloved in that agreement, so he wasn't saying anything congress hadn't already said. He explained all this in a interview in the New York Times in June. Palin found a old story that has been distorted in conservative media. Shame on CNN for not looking deeper. It took me 20 minutes to find out the true story.
History will record the IRAQ WAR lasting so long and so costly
on the shoulders on George W. Bush ALONE , COMPLETELY
AND TOATALLY.. Here is WHY: BUSH LISTENED TO AN ARM CHAIR GENERAL -SECRETARY OF DEFENSE RUMSFELD INSTEAD PF A PROVEN GENERAL COLIN POWELL.
It is well known that before the invasion of Iraq, Colin Powell questioned the size of the Army and other support forces
and they were inadequate for the job. BUSH listened to Rumsfeld's
questionable judgement and even in the initial stages of the war there were signs of the miscalculations of Rumsfeld. AND THE RESULT IS HISTORY.. COLIN POWELL EVENTUALLY RESIGNED
BECAUSE HIS ADVICE WAS IGNORED BY BUSH AND RUMSFELD CONTINUED ON HAVING BUSH"S EARS INSTEAD OF POWELL..
JOHN MCCAIN SUPPORTED THE WAR BECAUSE AMERICA HAS AND HAD THE POWER TO WIN THE WAR LIKE THE FIRST IRAQ WAR, WHERE COLIN POWELL HAD THE FULL CONFIDENCE VESTED ON HIM BY THE ELDER GEORGE HERBERT BUSH.
ANT THEY WON THE WAR IN 100 DAYS.. THIE WAR HAS DRAGGED
ON BECAUSE OF RUMSFELD AND BUSH ALONE.
MORE vicious slander directed against Obama..more distraction !
McCain, just tell us about your PLANS to fix our troubled economy..details PLEASE..not just your "I know hOW to fix this" crap..if you really knew, why didnt you tell Bush and Paulson already ????
Its the economy we are worried about..not more distractions and finger pointing and LIES..
Its the economy ..stay ON the issues !
D.Bradshaw Texas for Obama
A town hall meeting .. in ohio 80 years old White Lady from small town ohio .. in her town There is no progressive talker right-wing talkers on radio all day. she ask obama a one question ?… she asked him Who Are You? Obama responded to.. I Am Your Son ...don’t let them scare you” …
.She definately had tears in her eyes .she is voting for obama..
In dispute? There is no basis.
" Iraqi leaders said Obama "urged
Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office — a charge the Democratic campaign denies."
This is of course, the same Iraqi "officials" that imperialist HRH installed as his puppet government and pays, so we can keep drilling for oil which is sold and profits continue to mount into the Iraq bank accounts?
Oh, now that is a group you can believe!
So wait the person making the accusation was not involved in the talks and those who were have dissputed or not mentiond such. THIS IS SILLY!
Senator Obama is too intelligent to even think to go forward with such a proposal. Here again is secondary information. As we all know that communication is frequently distorted or misquoted by listening to one side of the conversation.
Just another ploy by a sycophant of McCain's
Anything that comes out of Sarah Palin's mouth should be ignored. In fact she should be ignored period!
Sarah Palin wfo 6 weeks ago did not even know what news papers
she reads as she says what ever comes across her desk
this did not come from SNL this was with Katie Corric she
and John McCain has realy made me sick
Here we go again. Palin on the attack against Barak ; doesn't she have enough filthy laundry of her own to deal with? And don't you just love how she and her buddies over at Fox are spinning Obama's past relationships with Farakhan, Wright, Ayres, Rezko...with absolutely no proof that Barak was in church during Wright's sermon , or that Barak had a direct friendly relationship with Ayres at all.
Yet, what we do know for a fact is that Palin is directly affiliated with a domestic terrorist...her hubby, Todd and his Alaska Independence Party, where she addressed them March of this year (See Youtube). She is also affiliated with religious fanatics like the Witch Doctor who prayed over her (and yes, we also have actual video of that incident and last she was found to have violated an ethics investigation by a majority Republican committee. That ain't reform, she's just like the Neo-Cons in power now!!!!
Let's stop believing the propaganda from Fox News and Internet ramblings!!! Bush's cousin owns a stake in the Fox network which is why they are completely bias and continue to push the bar just as they did after Sept.11th, when they on behalf of our Government under "W" completely manipulated the people and began the process of polarizing Americans..Small towns vs. Urban centers.
I did not forget, hopefully rational minds will prevail and Obama/Biden will be inaugurated in January.
Northern Virginia
This is in dispute why??????????CNN are you trying to keep this election close????????
I think Palin likes to jump the gun on any news title instead of READING it Through First!! Like she CLAIMS we do with her Abuse of POWER!
Accuse people of what YOUR guilty of Palin?????
I have a correction. In the New York Times there is an interview with Obama from September, not June. Again, he clearly stated he was talking about the strategic framework agreement.
SARAH PALIN cannot comprehend beyond "you betcha' and say it aint so Joe, this lady abused her Power as Governor who should or would believe anything she is spewing????
another lie
Oh brother, as far as I know a sitting-senator, visiting a head of state CAN make a suggestion.
The Republican-hate-lie-and- attack machine is relentless, they will say, do and inflate anything!
Let's all say.......STOP THE HATE................STOP THE LIES........MCCAIN!
New rule: You can't accuse someone of doing something in a country that you can't find on a map...unless, of course, you can see it from your house...then, it's OK.
I don't know if Obama really did this or not, but it would make sense to me to do something like this. A new president coming into office would not want to take over something like this from the president leaving office because then he is beholden to something his predecessor did. I also think congressional approval is something that would be needed. I wouldn't want just one person making this decision.
Washington Times. Say no more.
What, too affraid to not true.
Obama is correct.
The President needs to get the rest of the government involved in the conditions of the withdrawl process.
The war is the reason that Im voting for Obama, it's why I wanted Hillary as well. This is very important to the people and Cnn. You better do your best to find the truth out about this . I hope it is not true , but I want to know the answer to this immediatly and it should be on the Sunday Programs ASAP.
Wait, Obama says he didn't urge a delay (which, by the way, many in Congress were urging anyway, saying Bush could not make commitments that would extend beyond his presidency without Congressional approval) and the official Iraqi account of the meeting doesn't mention it either.
Sounds like the McCainiacs are trying to divert attention from Sarah Palin's ethics violations in Alaska.
Again, this goes to show you that the McCain campaign will distort information to make their candidate look good against the other candidate. Disgraceful. I guess that is all their campaign has, and it is pretty pathetic at that. Just keep talking Governor Palin and ruining the chance for McCain to be the next President. You need no help from anyone else. You are doing a pretty good job of destroying your chance in the White House. I think you have enough on your plate to deal with back in Alaska. You can't be trusted, period. Just go home and stop your hate speeches and trying to incite anger. OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!!!!!
Pitbull true bull again. She is just a parrot of disparaging remarks from the McCain campaign. She does not know what she is talking about, only that she has to READ all these speeches like some kind of Barbie Doll.
Pitiful Palin
Palin = Smears and LIES
Palin is once again confused, it was Troopergate, remember you were proven guity of your abuse of power in the swaying of an employees firing. Plus, Palin has a problem interputing what she hears and show an inability to research facts for herself, that's also a problem why Palin doesn't understand her verdict because Palin didn't understand limitations within the law.
When you have nothing to say you say anything. The McCain/Palin ticket is a horrific representation of one of our major American political parties. Reading off of note cards, winking and unbecoming personal attack behavior is not going to do it. Decency is apparently not fundamental to the fundamantalist.
Can we censor Sarah's mouth? What has she done in the way of diplomacy for this country?
When he meets with the Iraqis or the Iranians he can begin his meeting with, " Now boys, as one Muslim to another...."
Excuse me? There were witnesses – both Republican, Democrat, and from the Bush administration – that have disputed this charge completely. How on earth can you simply claim this is "in dispute".
Please understand how important your fact checking duties are to this campaign. You have a duty to bring clarity and truth to the American people. This particular fact check fails in that endeavor.
Of course the Democrats want to delay. They want the world to keep falling apart under GW to sow enough hatred to take complete control of the government. That's the nature of partisan politics. It's not even their fault. Our two party system inherently pushes things that way.
Barack Obama's lies to the American people can not be tolerated for any reason. He wants to deceive the American people, Barack Obama must be held accountable for his words, deeds, and actions.
Barack Obama has in fact urdged the Iradi government not to negotiate with the current administration run by President Bush.
I believe Barack Obama is a deceiver and Antichrist because he denies that Jesus Christ came in real body. Here is the scripture reference: 2 John v. 7 Many deceivers have gone fore denying that Jesus Christ came in real body; that person is deceiver and antichrist.
Barack Obama has lied to the media, and the American people and has been caught red handed. The truth will always win. The American people are getting feed up with Barack Obama's lies to them.
How come the media is jumping on every little thing about mcain and palin, but they wont report to the public about the ugly side of obama.
How about obama"s advisor is encouraging obama to invade israel when he becomes prez.. Or that he is friends with a terroist supporter in africa. Are they afraid to tell the truth about their golden boy?
Moderator – spelling correction at conclusion, thank you.
When you have nothing to say you say anything. The McCain/Palin ticket is a horrific representation of one of our major American political parties. Reading off of note cards, winking and unbecoming personal attack behavior is not going to do it. Decency is apparently not fundamental to the fundamentalist.
You know what CNN?! You don't FACT CHECK. Either something is True or it's False. You should just provide the facts & leave out the your leaning Verdicts.
I particulary love how McCain is mostly false or misleading whereas you find Obama true or true, but incomplete or whatever. If the conclusions are subjective to the facts present, leave them out & let the reader decide.
Unless you think your average voter reading this is too stupid to figure out their own conclusion. Well, judging by some of the comments on here - you go ahead & lead the sheeple wherever you desire.
WHY IS SARAH PALIN MAKING BASELESS ACCUSATIONS, SHE THINKS THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO LOVE AMERICA, SHE IS NOT FIT TO BE VICE PRESIDENT IF SHE CANNOT READ AND VERIFY HER INFORMATION BEFORE UNLOADING ON OTHERS.
Gov. Palin was found guilty of abuse of power in Alaska; she is still guilty of abuse of power on the campaign trail for Senator McCain. She was dead wrong to say "Obama pals around with terrorist." Gov. Palin is leading angry people down a dangerous road to wave of riots similar to those in the 1960s.
It would have been innappropriate for Senator Obama to have spoken in any terms about withdrawls or delays to the Iraqi. As a senator he would not have any authority to make or advise the Iraqi's at All without the Administrations approval.
If he implied in any way a delay. That would be a matter of TREASON!!!
No matter how you spin this Obama had no business discussing anything like this. Let the State Department do their work.
As has become a chronic problem with the McCain campaign, and Palin ins specific; the facts no longer interest the because very few work in their favor, so they have had to fall back on hearsay, rumor-mongering, and fear tactics to try to distract the American populous.
Its flat out insulting that they think these worn out tactics would STILL work.
Sarah Palin is a proven liar ... ahem, bridge to Nowhere she never supported, troopergate, Obama started his career in Ayers living room, Obama pals around with terrorists, she didn't sleep with her husband's friend, she had she sold the plane on ebay, she had lied to get money to get paid for working from home, her husband is not involved in a secessionist party which she supports, etc etc etc...Republicans don't seem to care about honesty in their candidates...or themselves...it really reflects who they are...
Blah, blah, blah. And, uh, the stupid economy, Senator McCain?.....
Isn't that a GOP trick, seem to remember that when Regan took office..
Let me see – Sumaidaie has no stake in the campaign, Obama has a big stake.
Who to believe?
Who to believe?
My vote is Sumaidaie .
i guess Sarah should check you guys before opening her mouth (once again).
We love you Mr. Obama!
Our next President of united states!!
The McCain-Palin campaign seems desperate. Why do they bring up so many red herrings and mount so many personal attacks? They have no plans for saving our country from endless war, the effects of deregulation and greed on our economy, and diplomatic disaster. We need to boot out the villains who have brought us this mess and who have robbed so many of us of our retirement and elect someone with vision and real leadership of the type Lee Iococca wrote in the spring of 2007. At least Obama and Biden have tried to present real plans in their speeches, ads and on their website.
You have provided no evidence that this is true. Don't be afraid to call Palin the liar that she is. Her free ride is over.
more lies from Palin.
Again, McCain let's Palin loose and she farts at the mouth with inaccurate information. Maybe they should place her back on moratorium and wait until the elections are over. She's causing an awful bust of this campaign. As if John can't do bad by himself.
Once again Palin is throwing around accusations without mentioning all the facts or simply completely ignoring them! This conversation with the Mr. Zebari happened in June, and we are just now hearing from McCain/Palin on this. McPalin says they are interested in informing the voting public about Obama's true character. If that is so, why are they delaying highlighting this information (this includes the Ayers story)? The voting public knows exactly why!
If he did, then good for him... he's trying to establish a relationship unlike the current President who cuts off talks with leaders and think they care or is fearful of the United States
Anonymous said...
On Daily Kos, an interesting article about the building of the Palin's house, and how it coincided with the building of the super new sports complex, and how Todd Palin says he built it with the help of some friends!!!
Hope we have some investigative reporters out there who could do some follow up, do you have any Alaskan bloggers?
McCain and Palin have kept their word in one respect at least; they said last weekend they wanted to turn the page on the economy and get back to attacking Obama. They are doing so, with innuendo, smears, and hearsay.
They are throwing as many attacks as possible and trying to keep the American public confused, off-balance, and angry, so that we won't be able to hear the candidates discuss the economy, home foreclosures, health care and foreign policy.
Obama, please keep sticking to the latter. We're glad that you're trying to dodge the spew-fest as much as possible and talk to us about America instead of tabloid rumors.
bushe delayed it. I saw it in a article, he said that the US would leave it for the next president.
palin needs to be taking care of that mess she has created in alaska and unless the people want todd to be the next president, they need to wake up and be smart.
Verdict False.
By the way ,CNN is owned by a Republican.Think about it!How do YOU sleep at night moderator?Do you TRULY hate moderates?
If no evidence exists beyond second hand testimonial, then why is this in dispute. The primarq
sarahmm get your facts stright before you start blabbing your mouth,,,,in fact quit and go back to alaska,,,,,you have enought problems there to deal with,,
Are the repubs saying that someone who wanted to infuse some rational thinking in trying to NOT commit our soldiers in a place where they shouldn't have been in the first place and in that agreement would tie the hands of the next president in his administration is a bad thing?
Do the repubs have anything else to talk about like regulating the banking industry or how to end the war in Iraq or go after the people who actually attacked us or how to turn our economy around? May be they no longer believe that McDufus and Knuckle Head are capable of addressing those issues so distractions are needed before their political party implode.
Is Sarah Palin a trouble maker, she cannot get the facts straight, before she opens her mouth.
It's too bad that john McCain demonstrated such poor judgment by selecting a bald faced liar to join him on the Republican ticket.
If no evidence exists beyond second-hand hearsay, and if none of the primaries in the conversation confirm it, then how is this in dispute and not plain old FALSE?
More lies from the Obama camp. When does this guy ever tell us the TRUTH. Obama will say anything to get elected.
We already know the credibility of this woman. Anything she says is scripted and not creditable. I'm sure that we will soon see a talking Sarha Palin doll. Pull the string and its says anything you want it to and occasionally says "I'm a Maverick". "Tod" "You betcha", and dog gone."
Lying
Bad
Irresponsible
Turkey headed
Cold
Hounddog
That eats yellow snow
Wikipedia "The Washington Times." It is known to be ultra-conservative and error-prone. It's a rag. Until the story comes from other media-outlets, it shouldn't be trusted.
WE ALL KNOW THAT MCCAIN CAMP IS IN A DESPERATE SITUATION. AND SARAH PALIN WILL DO AND SAY ANY THING TO DISTORT THE SPOT LIGHT FROM REAL ISSUES.
SHE VIOLATED THE ETHIC LAWS BEFORE AND SHE SURELY WILL DO IT AGAIN
WE CAN AFFORD 4 MORE OF THE SAME
OBAMA FOR LIFE
Why is the media reporting this garbage? About one month ago this same accusation was made in the New York Post by a obvious right wing commentator and here we are again with another right wing paper saying the same thing. I would ask the media to think about this, why would a foreign government official report to a right wing commentator something that a presidential candidate stated to their countrys leader. I will tell you, it's all politics to help the McCain camp plain and simple. Please don't fall for this nonsense.
Obama looks likely to be president soon.
It make sense that people ask for his opinions about the future of American policy.
Get used to it.
As for saying this is "in dispute"... how about calling it questionable until something reputable is presented. It's very easy for someone speaking another language to use wording that can be twisted... and oh my, we've seen a lot of twisting and fast-talking out of Republicans of late.
More disgusting lies. The Republican Senator Hagel was there. Hagel said flat out, it did not happen !
What Obama told them is that it would not be appropriate for him to advise them on any actions that would undercut the sitting presidents policy agenda. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID!
To Mark Hudson... your statement reflects your own sides proclivities more so than the other.
McCain and Palin are saying just about anything they can in the hopes of getting more votes. Unfortunately, the kool-aide drinkers such as yourself are the only ones buying it.
They've already got your vote locked up... why keep feeding you baloney?
It sounds to me like Sarah Palin needs to QUIT spewing out lies and half truths. I think she wants the office of president more than John Macain does!
Mark: Did you read the article, or do you believe whatever you want to believe, regardless of the facts? Oh, my mistake, you're just following the lead of Bush and Palin.
Go "That One" and "Say is ain't so, Joe"
Sarah Palin is just a very low budget pick for the Republican party. I will be glad when she finds herself back in Alaska. She is really dumb and in no way ready for Washington.
JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN WILL SAY OR DO ANYTHING TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY! The SPIRIT OF GEORGE WALLACE AND LESTER MADDOX IS ALIVE AND WELL IN JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN! I hope America is not fooled by this sudden epiphany AND RESPECTFUL REMARKS HE MADE RECENTLY TOWARD BARACK OBAMA of John Mccain! THIS IS THE SAME PERSON FOR OVER A WEEK SANCTIONED HIS CANDIDATE FOR VICE PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN'S EXTREME VIOLATILE, DANGEROUS AND MISLEADING RHETORIC AGAINST BARACK OBAMA WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF JIM CROW AND KLU KLUX KLAN POLITICS! NOW, HE COMES TO HIS SENSES AGAIN AFTER HE SAW THE LATEST POLLS! THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN BY SARAH PALIN AGAINST BARACK OBAMA TO DISTRACT VOTERS FROM HER TROOPERGATE TROUBLE AND JOHN MCCAIN FROM THE ECONOMY, SHOWS THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUALS THEY ARE, AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO GET INTO THE OVAL OFFICE! THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO TOUT COUNTRY FIRST, TRUST, INTEGRITY AND JUDGMENT, BUT WHO USED KARL ROVE'S PLAY BOOK, GEORGE BUSH'S JUDGMENT AND FOX NEWS FOR CAMPAIGN STRATEGIES
i want to know.
what's his or her agenda?????
Mark Hudson, you're delusional. The bulk of the lies are coming from the right.
The concept of a fact, as used in criminal court or science is lost in news sometimes nice to see an inventive format for the truth, for facts for people to see...
Talk about desperation from the McCain team.
they know their days are numbered!
CNN you are idiots- why not ask Obama- this has already been debunked by republicans it was in the NY POST also- beacon of journalism-idiots
they know their precious days are numbered!
Yea, who cares if it's true or not. Who cares if there are no facts to back this up. Run with it CNN. It's about the black Obama, everyone wants to know who the real black Obama is. Thank you CNN for your great work reporting on McCain/Palin conspiracy theories. Thank you so much.
Mark, as a McCain supporter, you should be one to talk about a candidate saying anything to get elected. Ha! Oh golly gee........how many lies can the McCain camp come up with this week. Hm???
"IN DISPUTE"??????? Are you kidding me? On the one side you have an unsourced, unverified second-hand quote, on the other hand you have the clear and unquestionable denial from all the parties directly involved. That, my friends, is a slam-dunk debunking by any possible criteria.
The McCain campaign is creating a bogus controversy, and you are essentially playing in their camp by calling this in dispute. It's as much in dispute as global warming or evolution. (for those of you who can't read good, neither of them are in any doubt).
Troop withdrawal from Iraq right now would only help Sen. Obama because that's what's he's been advocating for years.... this is a Karl Rove tactic that derailed Sen. McCain in 2000 and needs to be rejected by Sen. McCain himself immediately
Go to politifact.com and you'll find out who the biggest liars are. They are John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Mark Hudson,
I suppose what Palin and McCain are doing is honest. It's honest if you don't have the brains to sort the truth from the lies. It's easy to believe what you want to hear. Believe you me, Obama doesn't even come close to the crap that McCain/Palin pitch. I suppose you think Palin is lily white, too. Do something besides selective thinking and you might land on a bit of truth.
I kinda feel sorry for Sarah Palin. McCain wanted a woman to take the place of Hillary, but he really didn't know how stupid this woman is. Now that she has been exposed her only recourse is to admit she is not qualified and keep some integrity intact.
McCain campaign seems to make up lies left and right.
telling lies to get elected, you should know about that. The out of touch Maverick has lied, cheated, filp flopped, suspended his campaign, all but started a race riot and selected that idiot as a running mate, just to get elected. wonder what "mavericky" thing they will try next.
Mark stop drinking Palins cool-aid.
mark so will mcCain and palin ,palin tell the lies even hen they are found to be lies , so please dont call obama a lier palin is worst than bush when it comes to lieing .she tells the lie with such straight face its scary.
Instead of saying when will Obama tell the truth (which it is proven he does)
They need to ask Palin and NcCain when are they going to start telling the TRUTH AND STOP STIRRING UP HATRED AMONG THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!
Rise up and support the new messiah! Bring your family to the polls and elevate the new leader to the highest level! Muslims , band together and take this land for Allah!
More lies from the McCain camp. When does this guy ever tell the TRUTH. McCain will say anything to get elected.
Republicans would like to caharge Obama with everything that's wrong with the The world. In one week they have charged him with everything they can remember, palling around with a terrorist, fradulent with ACORN, and now with this. Who knows what else they would cook up. As Obama rightly said, he can handle anything they will throw at him the next few weeks but we can't afford 4 more years of the same. They can try all they can but it's not going to work this time.
Obama is not in any position to make any such requests. Get a clue!
who was at the meeting? Mark Hudson I think not
Mc insane and his misstres will need at one point to take responsibility for all HATRED THEY ARE SPREDING WITH FALSE ACUSATIONS.They even do not see yet how destructiv they are for their party. People from both party will hate them in the end – though for different reasons. This is so agly and dengerous what they are doing. Hope somebody friom republican party can stop them and not let them destrou country.
and so will mccain, mark hudson....or maybe you're not paying attention to ALL the LIES he keeps telling....
Sarah is going to get John beat. She should stick to what is true. She is a mean spirited person. After all of this she will probably not be reelected as gov. of Alaska.
I am a republican for Obama because of Sarah.
Given the trend in other CNN fact checks, this is probably more GOP B-S. They're desperate, and will say anything to keep the big, bad angry left from taking away their gun-loving, bible-thumping power. This is the saddest excuse for a democratic election in history, even Iraqis are laughing at it (citation needed).
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This has Bush/McCain written all over it. I mean come on . The guy making the statement did not actually hear it from Obama but some one told him?
Why don't you ever post my comments?????????
Just another desperate attempt by McCain-Palin to to mislead everyone since they don't have any details about issues to talk about.
I hear some new books are now available by the DNC:
-“Pronunciation Made Easy” – by Jesse Jackson
-Bonus buy: “A History of the Nut Cracker” – by Jesse Jackson
-“How to Buy a House with No Money, No Job, No Credit” – by Barney Frank
-“How to Pick a Mortgage Lender When You’re in the Senate” – by Chris Dodd
-“Fairy Tales Are Never Out of Style” – by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid
- “How to Act Like a Lady” –by Madonna
-“Let a Smile Be Your Umbrella” – by Keith Oberman
-“Secrets for Maintaining That Thrill Up Your Leg” – by Chris Matthews
-“Explosives Made Easy” – by Bill Ayers
-“How to Grow Your Own ACORN” – by David Axelrod
-“A-CORN-a-Day Keeps the Republicans Away” – by David Axelrod
And your support for that is what, Mark Hudson? There is nothing to substantiate this story. So why do you choose to believe it? The person who will say or do anything to get elected is John McCain–he has left any shred of honor or courage or integrity that he ever had by the wayside. Fortunately, it's not working.
Give us some examples of those lies, Mark Hudson. If you're gonna go out of your way to imply that he never tells the TRUTH, why not show us examples of him always LYING. OR DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY EXAMPLES?!?!?!?!?!
Take a tally of the fact check score. Your boy McCain is way ahead in the false category.
Cut a deal now or later with the new president? I think IRAN would prefer later! Tehran is running the show, not Baghdad.
Here is what I have read several times in the past few days. President Bush himself has postponed dealing with Iran so as not to effect the McCain campaign for president.
Sarah Palin is a racist, hate monger whose self promotion has come to light. She actually hired a PR firm "campaign" for vice president. That's a first.
Her hate speech is well documented. If something should happen to Obama or his campaign, she will be held PERSONALLY responsible. She should be arrested for inciting to riot. She may say she is unaware of what she is doing, but why was she heard to say things like, "Now you get it." This woman is a domestic terrorist.
I can only imagine how upset the McCain (really Palin) supporters must feel right now. The problem they have is the same issue Hillary had in the primaries. Obama almost never drops in the polls because few people decide they are going to vote for Obama then change their mind. When he crosses the point needed for voctory they know that particular race is lost to them. And as Mcauliiffe said when they were contesting Iowa, "you know Obama's supporters will show up to the polls". This year the Democrats want it more and have been offering the country more than anger. There is a lot of that but when it is paired with hope for a better future it resonates. Norm Coleman has an excellent strategy in that he decided to pull down all of his negative ads. McCain should try going positive. People want to like McCain and I know he is better than what is coming out of his campaign right now. He will never win over Independents with hate and the ground game by Democrats this year is almost taking care of itself. McCain's supporters need to understand they are undermining his campaign to get Independents on his side. People who aren't die-hard Republicans or racists don't want to be seen at a campaign event where the crowd turns into a lynch mob.
Caribou Barbie, really sucks. Her true colors are showing. Folks with eyes and ears can see and hear for themselves just what she is. Would anyone in their right mind want someone who would use their position and power to manipulate and push people around? She has a certain kind of followers and they just happen to be the folks who weren't going to vote for Obama/Biden any way. Folks running around stirring up crap need to remember what you send into others lives can and so often does come back to you. So I wouldn't be getting folks riled up and acting like an ignorant, wild mob of Americia's original terrorists, the KKK. Oh yes America has always had terrorists. Home grown, right here in the good ole USA. Look at their history and see for yourself. They might have some dirty deeds up on the Arabs they put down so much. There crimes are just as bad but more than likely worse than the Arabs they pretend to fear.
this story is not true, its nothing but political jingoism of bad politics
Obviously he's a man who cannot accept defeat. Who believes in a surge of negativity. As if he could electrocute his opponent and anyone in his way.
The Surge – mcShame's effort to electrocute opponents.
No, more lies and misleading innuendo from the McCain camp. Obama has stuck to his original statements. Do a fact check on the many times McCain has made a comment on an issue then retracted it, saying something else later when it suits him best. Its human nature. What does one do whe=wn trying to fight back while losing....they employ any tactic possible that may allow them to win. I have only one prayer for this election period....that the facts are laid out for those of us who are intelligent enough to make decisions based not on emotion or omissions, but on truths. Then let the chips fall where they may. At least then, those of us who vote according to who truly would be the better candidate would feel they won or lost fairly.
Another incorrect verdict. It is false because the only reliable party said so. Palin gives heresay evidence which is inadmissible. The person, or people who write this "fact check" need to get their facts and statements correct or stop "checking" facts. Or is there another agenda?
Who cares what the moonies say?
Hey Mark, check the facts on who said what. Acording to CNN, which apparently you like follow, Obama out of 8 facts checked was only wrong on one. McCain however out of 10, 9 were false. Who is more accurate in their comments?
I want to hear some confirmation about the conversation from people who were actually on the phone. But the pursuit of truth seems to elude some McCain-ites.
Chuck Hagel has given the verson of what happened. There was no such talks!!!!!!!!!! Idiots!!!!!!!!
A quick way to filter the facts, in hearsay indictments, is to consider and nulify the motivation of the source. In this case the overheard or relayed conversation, as reported by Sumaidaie is basically cancelled by the email from Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and the basic platform of the Democratic party.
Also if one considers the original indictment from Palin, keeping in mind that a come from behind victory is less than slim at this point, the risk to reward ratio is heavily slanted toward (at least) twisting the truth.
Palin reads?
You can't take Palin serious...she's a conpulsive liar! Obama wants us out ASAP. Now that the National Oil Company of China has the contract with Iraq, let them protect and re-build Iraq. The only one with a profit is Cheney's company Haliburton and it's subsideries doing construction and electrocuting our soldiers. I hope congress investigates and fines them for the $150,000,000. we've paid for in shoddy, non-completed work, as per the GAO Inspector General.
The Bush-McCain team wants to stay there with bases and spy on Iran. No wonder nobody likes or trusts us!!!
Mark Hudson, author of the second comment here – are you really serious? You must not have seen any of McCain's campaign rallies lately. The ones that are based 100% on spin, propaganda, and outright lies. There is absolutely no comparison between the two campaigns for anyone who looks at them objectively. Obama's not innocent when it comes to political spin, but the only one displaying a clear strategy of "saying anything to get elected" is McCain's campaign.
politics as usual – lies, voter fraud, money from off shore, anything illegal, immoral, or unethical.
what political leaders we have. there is no wonder that other countries fight so hard to keep a government like ours out!
Good night Sarah,dont forget to close the door behind you.You only have credibility with 20% of the voters at most and will never be heard from again except in jokes.
Will Sarah Palin please stop the mud flinging and say something meaningful about current events and not heresay and slander.
Hey Sarah, how 'bout that economy?
What was the knock on the GOP? Mean spirited? The GOP spewing the SOS.
I have seen at least one report of an undecided who went to a McCain rally (and was turned off, if I remember correctly). It's really not possible, without research, to know for sure who goes to these rallies.
The shouters at McCain and Palin rallies may well be shills.
Nobody wants this war to end more than Barack Obama. He voted against and despises us still being there. This is pure propaganda.
By the way why would McCain-Palin care. If it was up to them we would be babysitting the Iraq Goverment until our own country goes bankrupt.
i guess obama is going to get blamed for hurricanes too
I always love the fact checks and more often then not McCain is under false or Mis leading and it always makes me proud when I see Obamas record.Funny part I am so proud of Obama and I am a Canadian.It is so important for Canada that McCain does not get in. Our economy is starting a recession and McCain Palin would make that even worse.Many countries will not invest in America if Obama does not get office, as a Palin McCain win would be economically a disaster.I really don't see great progress in the economy until we know we will be able to breathe once Obama/Biden take office
I think what Palin said about Obama during her acceptance speech at the Republican convention spoke more to the point of his self-interest. That the only time he uses the word victory is when it has to do with getting himself elected. He has yet to use the word about winning the wars that are costing so many lives. Obama is about Obama.
It looks like to me that McCain and Republicans try to find anything they could to mud Obama instead of focusing on the policies. What a sham!
You know try to point someone is not clean is much easier than agree own mistakes. To me it seems like they try to say that in this world only Republicans are 100% right with no problems. Or only Republicans are angles, others are just "bad guys"!
They are isolate them from the rest of country and world, because they seem too "pure".
I don't trust Obama and neither should anyone else.
AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
AMERICANS WILL UNLTIMATELY CHOOSE THE ONE MOST
QUALIFIED TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON THE PLANET. AND IT IS NOT AN EASY TASK. THE PREIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MUST BE ONE WHO HAS BEEN TESTED , TRUST WORTHY , AND NOT A SELFSERVING POLITICIAN.. WITH TEO WARS GOING ON , AND MAJOR THREATS TO THE MIDDLE EAST FROM IRAN, SYRIA. OTHER THREATS FROM AN EMERGING AND AGRESSIVE RUSSUAN STANCE . RUSSIAN EMERGENCE INTO OUR OWN BACKYARD IN VENEZUELA WITH THE INCREASING HOSTILE
MOVES BY DICTATOR HUGO CHAVEZ. . AMERICA NEEDS A STRONG , DECISIVE LEADER TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
Mark
CHECK OUT FACTCHECK SCORE MCcAIN IS ALMOST 4-1 ON EITHER "MISTRUTHS" OR "MISLEADING TO OBAMA
WHO IS DOING ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED??? DUHH!!
More of the same crap pf lies by the McCain campaign!
We will never believe any thing you said ...Plain. You are being used but you will soon come to your senses on nov 5th.
Early voting is the way to go.
Registered Republican voted Obama/Biden 08
Mark, let's talk lies. Clearly you've been keeping up with the Fact Check on this very site, and have chalked up the number of "true," "true but incomplete," "misleading" and "false" statements between the two camps. I'd like to compare notes. Looking back since October 4, I'm counting 8 "false or misleading" statements by the McCain camp and 0 "true or true but incomplete" statements, compared to 0 "false or misleading" statements by the Obama camp and 8 "true or true but incomplete." I'm sick of McCain trying to question Obama's integrity and people like you calling him a liar. From what I've seen on this very feature of this site, there's one ticket who will say anything to win an election. And, "my friends," it isn't Obama/Biden. Aren't we tired of being lied to?
Anyone remember playing "telephone"? A message starts on on one end, and by the time it makes it to the other end of the line it barely resembles the original message. That seems to be the case with this story, and the McCain/Palin campaign is so desperate they picked it up and are trying to run with it.
There is a reason the Obama/Biden ticket is getting more monetary support from our brave men and women in uniform!
No Mr. Hudson, it is the other way around and it has been quite obvious.
I totally trust the Iraqi government to tell the truth. After all, it's not like they would benefit from a McCain Presidency where they wouldn't have to foot the bill for rebuilding their country.
How much should I pay for that bridge to nowhere?
It is mostly because Palin is ignorant of foreign affairs, war, and anything outside Alaska, the energy-producing state. She has no idea of what she speaks. God help us if she ever gets into the White House. Don'tcha know? You bet'cha!
Canuck
You actually think that CNN's "fact-check" is actually fact? Coming from the same media that wants Obama to be elected? Of course all the positive "facts" are going to be towards Obama. Don't be so brainwashed by the liberal media.
Mark Hudson
you are a fool ;expain pls
why not wait, Bush said he is. LOL
Obama Biden have won
The manifestation is happening NOW.
embrace change for a better America built by the people for the people
No doubt in my mind that Obama tried to delay the agreement. Obama's prediction that the surge would utterly fail depends on failure in Iraq. For Obama, it's Obama first, country last.
Mark Hudson– do you even believe the nonsense you just typed on here? If you keep up with the fact checks on CNN, you will notice that the MAJORITY of what McCain and Palin spew comes out as False or Misleading. If you want to talk about a couple of liars, turn your half blind eyes toward the Republican ticket. They will give you your moneys worth in falsehoods.
Obama is a great orator, and as great a speaker he is also a smooth operator.I have no doubt he wanted this Iraqi delay to happen. As if his political campaign didn't release the Keating smear on McCain. This year both campaigns have been uglier than ever and while Obama is shining in his element, smug with himsef, McCain is clearly playing catch up. McCain wanted to play a good game but then he underestimated the political machine of Chicago. In the end, do we want the slick spendthrift who knows what we're going to do five moves ahead (or before we do) or the simple frugal tough guy with good character? I'm not so sure...maybe I'll just write in Hiliary Clinton!
Fact check, ya right, run by a biased News outlet.
Hey John. I believe everything I read in Wikipedia since it is liberally biased. This Obama conversation with Iraqi officials was also mentioned in a column in the New York Post, also. Oh, I know that is a conservative paper, also. Were you expecting to see something potentially negative about Obama in, say, The New York Times? Give me a break.
With the Palin/McCain campaign willingly telling outright lies...some of us americans still believe them. I wonder why?
Obama/Biden 08/12
The McCain campaign is self destructingl
Now I suppose she can see Iraq from Alaska! Why would anyone listen to this woman???
As a follower of Christ myself, I feel Palin gives a bad example of a Christian. Her comments are mean spirited and aimed to stir hatred and discourse among the people. It is very disquieting to me that a person like this might end up as our leader. If she does, God help us. I will continue to pray for her and our country.
Mark,
what's the point, another typical ignorant moron...
Canuck,
The dirty job for Obama is done by the media, McCain has to do it himself. Given this wrong the perception you have is right!
Congress must approve any troop level agreements. That's just a fact. I must be missing something here...
Sarah Palin will do anything to get McCain elected. Every time she opens her mouth a lie comes out.
What are all these about? Will somebody tell Palin to let us know what McCain is going to about the sagging economy? I betcha, she will go and check and come and tell ya. It is the empty vessels that make the loudest noise. A tree without a root wobbles on it's stock. No wonder, the McCain campaign is wobbling and are making the most outragous noise. Keep wobbling for you are definfitely going to fall with a bang on Nov. 4th. Watch Out.
I used to go to a space on the internet where people came together to discuss spiritual things. Often we go off into political and social issues. I said way back then that Bush/Cheney was the personification of the antichrist, pure evil. I have not change my mind.
I saw all this happening, and I warned about it. I seem to have a gift for sensing what political figures are all about, whether they are good or evil from my earliest memories. I said the Bush administration was going to take this country on a rollercoaster ride to destructions. I said that it began with Daddy Bush, but would not end with him. And I was right. I don't want to be right again, but I think we are dealing with something much bigger that Republicans and Democrats.
I hope that We, the People are finally paying attention and taking this seriously. We are talking the battle between good and evil, People. There is way too much at stake .....
I've always heard that desperate people do desperate things, but for McCain/Palin to stir up such hate and discontent among their supporters disappointed me. Are they trying to start a racial war? I watched their supporters respond to their lead. This country should be pulling together, not falling apart at a time like this. We're a nation that's already hated by other nations and now we have a presidential candidate and his sidekick putting hatred thoughts in the minds of their supporters, by using words like terrorist, muslin in relation to Barack Obama? How unamerican! Are McCain and Palin that naive to believe this hatred they're stirring up will stop with Obama? Do they really believe this will unite us? Does selling your soul for the presidency and vice presidency worth the costs "a nation divided". Barry Goldwater and George Wallace would be proud of McCain and Palin, and David Duke, well, he's giving them the "thumbs up."
Palin needs to go somewhere and hide after the verdict of the troopergate. She has no pride. She is as guilty as sin. It;s apparent that she will do or say anything to benefit her.She is a die-hard racist!
She a dummy. there are so many good candidate to pick and Mccain pick a dummy.
now you want someone to be your president to make that kind of decision?
FACT CHECK is a far left wing organization. They always cover up for the Communist Democrat Party by obscuring the true story. The average liberal "mush brains" swallow it hook line and sinker.
This is not the original story on Obama getting the Iraqi's to not sign an agreement. Why didn't FACT CHECK tell the true story? Simple, it's a cover up.
The Time report names its source. Obama supporters will, of course, not believe it. But who cares? Its about independents who are not drinking Obama's kool-aid.
Its clear Obama will do anything, including harm his country to win the election in November.
And by the way, as for stirring up hatred, that's a laugh considering the hatred the left has shown for Bush and Cheney the last 8 years and the hatred they have shown Sarah Palin since she was asked to run for VP. Your outrage rings hollow. When you call for your side, which is truly the side of haters, to tone it down, then your words may have more meaning to the rest of us. You reap what you sow.
McCain and Palin are the reason why race is becoming an issue again. November 4th, the verdict will be in...Guilty for McCain and Palin.
More unsubstantiated scuttlebutt from Palin.
This is for Valerius...how long have you been a racist. I'm willing to bet that you didn't even know that you were one.
Wow, I guess we know who this websites audience is. I dont think I have never see so many one sided responces to a claim that so blatantly has some truth to it. Lay off the cool-aid Obama fans, learn your history, and how Mr. Hussein is about to repeat it.
"And by the way, as for stirring up hatred, that’s a laugh considering the hatred the left has shown for Bush and Cheney the last 8 years and the hatred they have shown Sarah Palin since she was asked to run for VP. Your outrage rings hollow. When you call for your side, which is truly the side of haters, to tone it down, then your words may have more meaning to the rest of us. You reap what you sow." Finally words of wisdom.