November 4, 2008
Posted: November 4th, 2008 03:52 PM ET

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A voter in Cincinnati sits while filling out his ballot because all of the official voting stations were full.
A voter in Cincinnati sits while filling out his ballot because all of the official voting stations were full.

CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) - Some judges at polling precincts in Ohio were issuing provisional ballots in error because they were confused about whether state drivers' licenses with outdated addresses could be used as proof of identification, Hamilton County Board of Elections Director Sally Krisel confirmed Tuesday.

"They are nervous, so they have them vote by provisional ballot," Krisel said of the judges who were not aware of an Ohio law that mandates that drivers' licenses can be used as proof of identification and address, even if the address does not match the voter's current address.

Cuyahoga County Board of Elections Community Outreach coordinator Kim Bartlett says the same thing is occurring in her county.

"If I move, I'm not required to get a new drivers license with a new address, she explained Tuesday. "Licenses are good for four years, even if they don't have a valid address, its still considered valid proof of ID."

Both the Hamilton County and Cuyahoga County Board of Elections say they were engaged in outreach efforts throughout election day to explain the rules on provisional ballots to confused poll workers.

Ohio State University law professor said he had also heard some complaints about voters being forced to use the provisional ballot but it was too early to tell if this was a systematic, statewide problem.

"Ohio's provisional voting laws are unbelievably complicated, he added. "There are 14 separate reasons why a voter should vote on a provisional ballot. I'm a law professor and I can't keep them in my head. We can't expect poll workers to implement these rules flawlessly."

Provisional ballots are issued in Ohio when a voter's identity cannot be verified because the voter does not have proper identification, no identification, or is using the last four digits of the social security number as proof of identification. Voters with an address change or name change are also required to vote by provisional ballot. Voters are required to provide proof of identification within ten days of the election, according to Krisel.

The ballots were mandated by Congress to ensure that no voter would be turned away from a polling place due to lack of identification. However, provisional ballots are normally counted after all official ballots are recorded, and are contestable. Experts say they could be decisive in a close race.

Krisel assured Ohio voters Tuesday that "all ballots will be counted" even if they were provisional.

But Democratic watchdog group, the Advancement Project, remained concerned.

"We are observing an excessive use of provisional ballots, and are wondering why," said lawyer Sheila Thomas on Tuesday. Candice Hoke of Cleveland State University's Center for Election Integrity said the reason could lie in problems with the voter databases themselves.

"Problems with voter registration records in database are leading to higher rates of provisional ballots than should be occurring."

Her monitors had received complaints that some voters had found themselves dropped from voter rolls due to hiccups with the voter registration databases that are not subject to federal certification systems for accuracy or security. They were therefore forced to vote by provisional ballot as well.

Updated 3:52pm

Filed under: Ohio • Voter Problems


arc, Lugano CH   November 4th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

rick November 4th, 2008 2:20 pm ET
Black Panthers are intimating to voters in Pa. Check it out on line
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McCain supporters hanging effigies of Senator Obama from trees in KY.

Poor White Trash is going out of style in the United States of America.

DC-African in Colorado Springs, Colorado   November 4th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

They weren't properly trained then.

Jim   November 4th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

Jude – While I generally agree with your post, some problems are unknown until you show up for election. I went to vote today and when I arrived, I was told I was an "inactive" voter. I found this odd since my wife and I have voted at every election since we were married. She had no problems with her status but I did. Resolving this was simple in my case, but I could see where it could cause problems for others, especially in the busier polling locations.

dculver   November 4th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

I am just curious in the land of the free and home of the brave-why we have such onesided coverage of the most important presidential election in history. Only in America can you have the type of election we have today but one would think that there is only one person running-Barack Obama. The McCain Palin ticket has not gottten the coverage you have given to Obama. Regardless of my vote I believe EVERY candadite is worthy of equal coverage.According to the press the election has been won but not buy a long shot. As Americans we need to remember anything is possible and that there is a higher power in charge-the American people. As for polls I for one have never been asked my opinion so I think your press should be equal. my family is split down the midle but the one sided coverage has DEFIN ITELY hurt the Obama campaign in my view. It changed my vote to the McCain -Palin ticket. So be FAIR CNN Sincerely, A CN supporter.

Erin   November 4th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

RE: Jude

First of all, we are amazingly priveleged to have the opportunity to vote. Many nations either don't have public elections, the voters votes aren't actually counted, or there are extremely limiting rules on who can and who cannot vote.

There are bound to be some kinks when you have millions of voters, especially when the turnout is as high at is in this election.

P.S. it is "Come on" not "common" – a bit confusing :)

Rick   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

I'm Rick, and little rick you're an idiot. What's your source, the Drudge Report? Get used to the idea of losing PA.

JL   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Thank you for being so thorough today, CNN. I have been critical of your election coverage for about the last month, but think that by exposing these issues, you are strengthening our democracy. Thank you.

Haters   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

It sad how corrupt this country is; they will do anything to keep this man from winning. This country should go down in history as the biggest hypocrite and fraudulant country in the world. This country shouldn't never open their mouth to another country about injustice when it is the biggest injustice in the world.

Maybe we should give white America their country and see if they can survive without miniorities.

Shari, NY   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

I have to piggy back on another person's blog. America is all over the place as observers of third world country elections but we here at home have the nuts and bolts falling off our machinery. Can we get Mother England to police us since she did a great favor in sacrificing some of her sons in the Iraq invasion?

cj   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

My mother, in a nursing home in Ohio, wasn't even asked for ID when people showed up to take her ballot. It's a small town (10,000) , but I still think procedures should be followed, shouldn't they??

David for Obama   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Good-bye and good riddance, Republicans.

newlander   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

STOP race baiting "Rick". Won't work this time. 6 hours until real change....can you feel it?

Gary   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

This will always happen as long as every individual precinct and municipality is in charge of its local voting. There will be pockets of undereducated and underfunded locales that will continue to underwhelm when it comes to voting day performance.

Can we some day get an internet-based voting system?

Michael in Houston   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Rick, quit making up stories. Just because you keep hitting copy/paste does not mean that yourignorance will be believed as the truth. You should have learned Rick from your boy McCain that making up stories does not sit well with America. Well it does not make a difference anyway, there are more of us who love Obama than of you who hate the color of his skin. Okay Rick your turn, on the count of 3...............1.................2..................3..............President Obama, now don't you feel all warm and fuzzy inside Rick? You betcha (wink)

We're Screwed '08   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Who cares? No matter who you vote for, no matter whether your vote gets counted or not...

WE'RE SCREWED '08

Frank   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Intimating them Rick? How unnecessarily kind of them.

WELCOME TO THE OBAMA SHOW   November 4th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Where is acorn they will fix this problem!!!!!!!!!

end the stupidity   November 4th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

I feel like voting twice maybe I'll go to Ohio.

Niccole in Georgia *OBAMA/BIDEN08*   November 4th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

Voting issues begin in Battleground Ohio,behind Pennsylvania, Indiana,Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. This is getting old.

47yo male for McCain   November 4th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

The black panthers area nusiance and need to be eliminated.

db.in.tx   November 4th, 2008 2:36 pm ET

hey rick,

you won't see that reported on by the news media though, it's not McCain supporters that are doing it

Fred   November 4th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

"a Republican observer"??? What a bully. I hope the officials looked at his ID and noted his info.

The fake refs always ruin the game.

The Oysterhead   November 4th, 2008 2:35 pm ET

Let's think a moment about the majority of people who change address more often. Younger people, college students, poorer people. ...people more likely to vote for Obama.

Bret   November 4th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

Blame ACORN and all of the other institutions that started this mess by illegally signing up and paying off voters to ensure that Obama wins the election.

I will laugh when the finally tally is like 150 million votes counted yet only 100 million voters registered.

Paul   November 4th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

AND NOW IT STARTS...... WE can a man on the moon and bring him back but can not have a election with out a lot Shenanigans from the GOP.

JJ from Canada   November 4th, 2008 2:34 pm ET

I don't understand how a country as far advanced as the U.S.A. has sooooo many problems when it comes to elections! It's not like this event sprung up on you out of nowhere...it happens every 4 years! We just had a federal election here in Canada (which decides our Prime Minister) and from the date it was called to election day itself there were 8 weeks total for campaigning and we have never had the problems you have with ballots, fraud, etc. What is so hard about this south of the border?

47yo male for McCain   November 4th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Sounds like this is a training issue. However common sense would tell me that a driver's license is used in the case of voting for ID only therefore if the picture matches then you would have to let that individual vote. So what is the problem?

Chi4Obama   November 4th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

How is it they we claim to be "the most powerful nation in the world".

But yet we to this day, cannot develop a systematic way of developing an accurate system for voting.

This is shameful.

jim   November 4th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Thank God the secretary of state in Ohio is now a Democrat

Nat   November 4th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Someone called Palin articulate in a previous article's comment box. Truly laughable.

JAY N.H.   November 4th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

The world is watching us. Will we rise to the occasion? Every legitamate vote must be counted. Laws must be obeyed.

turn az blue   November 4th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

other nations, even 3rd world countries, have better voting processes than we do!

Kim   November 4th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

I just don't understand why voting procedures can't be consistent for everyone across the nation.

Tony   November 4th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

Jude: I hate to break it to you, but this isn't the greatest nation on Earth. Just because GWBush says something doesn't make it a fact.

I do agree that the majority didn't take nearly enough precaution in preparing for such a huge turnout. I'm a liberal Democrat in Texas, but it only took about 15 minutes for me to vote because, well, it's Texas. I have a better chance of turning water into wine than turning Texas blue.

Griff   November 4th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

All I hear from CNN is the Black African Americans are having Problems... Come on CNN stop being so Biased... No Complaints from John McCain Voters Only African Americans Lies. Then Create a Rumpus.... Are they so Stupid??????

Michael in Houston   November 4th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

Is there not anything that you Republicans will not try??? Stop already! It's already bad enough that your guy and his pitbull nurse have lost, why make it worse on yourselves. Just let people vote and practice saying P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T O-B-A-M-A.

dj from Connecticut   November 4th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

Please, heard enough about Palin!

New Day   November 4th, 2008 2:31 pm ET

A problem in Ohio? hmmmmmm, thats odd.

Anonymous   November 4th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

UNBELIEVABLE!

Chi4Obama   November 4th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT; it's the only hope that the Rethuglicans have of winning this election.

Jax, FL   November 4th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

You know it's always something! You are a judge and you don't know if it's legal or not? Seriously? Well, I'm sure it will somehow be blamed on the GOP somehow. As a democrat I am still not on board with this whole Obama deal. He has manchurian candidate written all over him. We will most likely elect him, and "beep" the arabs controlling him push the activation button and we start calling him President Hussein. Well, at least he will be able to help erase our deficit at the cost of our freedom.

JJ   November 4th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

That is why early voting is important. The Repubs wants to win.

Sharon L   November 4th, 2008 2:30 pm ET

Wow... is there no procedural manual at any of these places? and why do most of the issues we're seeing today seem to be happening in swing states... NM, VA, OH, PA, FL

I don't think that's a coincidence.

If McFalin cheat their way into offices like Bush and Cheney they will have a country to govern that doesn't respect them or give a care as to what they say... a very shallow and dangerous "vicotry" and a certain path to revolution for the U.S.

Ohio Voter   November 4th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

They were turning down a lot of people at my polling place. Bethel AME church in Lockland. Making people do provisionals, most of the people were of color also.

Mary D. Wojkowski   November 4th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

I used a license with an old address. Since the license had not expired, I do not see that it should be an issue. But, in case it turns out to be, I'm safe. I gave my social, too. I want my vote for change to count!

dj from Connecticut   November 4th, 2008 2:29 pm ET

It is very difficult to understand and irritating after all we've been through before as to how we could have all these registration and voting issues continue to haunt us....just don't get it!!!

Chi4Obama   November 4th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it interesting that the majority of voter problems in urban areas?

I don't ever recall hearing many complaints about long lines, provisional ballots, or non working machines in non urban areas.

Hmmm,
I wonder why that is......

Ohio for Obama- Suburbs   November 4th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

About time this bull crap was reported. I witness a 86yr old resident who voted for 20yrs at the same location, was later told after a 2hrs wait that he has to vote at another location due to a change of address.

Obama/Biden /08

Jude   November 4th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

This is so dumb...Why didn't people take care of all these problems before election day???

Common...we are supposed to be the greatest nation on Earth and we can't even get our voting right? There is so much problems with lines, machines breaking down, missing ballots, etc... That if this thing is not a landslide either way there's going to be law suit after law suit.

This is unacceptable for being the most powerful and greatest nation on the Planet!!!!

Formerly undecided voter   November 4th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Everybody always blames the republicans for voter fraud, but what about the "Black Panthers" guarding the entrance of the voting places in Philly with night sticks and intimdating everyone.

Oh, and in Virginia, they seem to have LOST all of their votes cast by our military, who at last note were 68% McCain.

One polling place in Pittsburg already had votes on it when the voting started.

A lot of democratic cheating going on here.

Red, Red WHINE!!   November 4th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

Why is it in all the battle ground states?

The fact is, these ballots are 'contestable' when NO BALLOT should be contestable. Period, if they are a citizen, COUNT THE VOTE and SHUT UP EVER AFTER! No contesting another citizen who has the right to vote.

More republican under handed voting fraud. It is TREASON to deny a person the right to vote, and that extends into the practice of placing their vote unfairly into a contestable category. The officials of Ohio should be charged with acts of treason and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!

turn az blue   November 4th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

provisional ballots don't get counted

Jack from California   November 4th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

Sounds like the republicans are getting their way with confusion and obstacles placed in the way of legitimate voting.

The republican party is displaying Un-American tendencies over and over and to think they can sling mud at the Democrats.

JD   November 4th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

Absolutely ridiculous. If the judge doesn't know the rules, he ought to be replaced by someone who does.

This Canadian Loves Obama   November 4th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

God help your country!

George   November 4th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

What is up with Ohio, do they eat those Buckeyes and thats why they're all stupid

True Blue Ohio   November 4th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Are you kidding me? Who do they have working at the polls? Play Boy Bunnies? It's not that difficult. Maybe some sort of competency test should be given to poll workers. These sort of mistakes are unacceptable.

Deli   November 4th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

What the heck is going on? This 'most powerful nation in the world' cannot even ensure proper voting after more than two centuries worth of experience. WHat is going on?

NdePNdntTnkr   November 4th, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Why do I not see on CNN where "Black Panthers" are threatening, blocking, and intimidating voters in Philadelphia?? Fox news is reporting it?? Where's the Fair & Balanced Coverage??

paul (reformed republican)   November 4th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

anyone, on either side of the fence, trying in any way to influence the election needs to face charges accordingly.

CM, AR   November 4th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

Great, so it begins.

SFC Drennan   November 4th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

ARE WE THAT AFRAID OF SOME PEOPLE,,,,, ARE WE SO STUCK IN THE PAST THAT OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO LIVE IT IN THE HEAR AND NOW,,,, THIS IS SO SO SAD,,, MY KIDS ASK ME, WHAT SO GOOD ABOUT VOTING, AND WHEN PEOPLE DO THINGS LIKE THIS WHAT DO I SAY TO MY KIDS?

tulsa   November 4th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

amazing. we've been doing this for centuries and still can't get it right.

Joe from Mahwah, NJ   November 4th, 2008 2:22 pm ET

It isnt an Election Day without Republican thug antics, I guess.

rick   November 4th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

Black Panthers are intimating to voters in Pa.
Check it out on line

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