November 9, 2008
Posted: November 9th, 2008 02:49 PM ET
Harry Reid says it's up to the Democratic caucus to make any decision about Joe Lieberman's future.
Harry Reid says it's up to the Democratic caucus to make any decision about Joe Lieberman's future.

WASHINGTON (CNN) –Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Sunday he's still trying to keep Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman within the Democratic caucus despite anger over Lieberman's support of Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

While he has opposed Democratic efforts to end the war in Iraq, "Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators," Reid told CNN's "Late Edition."

"Joe Lieberman is not some right-wing nutcase," he said. "Joe Lieberman is one of the most progressive people ever to come from the state of Connecticut."

Lieberman, a Democrat-turned-independent, broke with the party over the war in Iraq and ran as an independent after losing the party's nomination in 2006. Since then, he has been the 51st vote that kept the Senate in Democratic hands.

Lieberman also was Al Gore's running mate on the 2000 Democratic ticket.

But this year, he was a fixture on the campaign trail with McCain - and now that Democrats have gained at least six seats in the chamber, Reid is under pressure from many Democrats to punish Lieberman for harsh criticism of Sen. Barack Obama in a speech at the Republican convention.

"Sen. Obama is a gifted and eloquent young man who can do great things for our country in the years ahead. But, my friends, eloquence is no substitute for a record," Lieberman said at the Republican convention in early September.

Lieberman charged that Obama had not reached across party lines to "get anything significant done" and said that the McCain-Palin ticket was "the real ticket for change."

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Leah from FL   November 10th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

slippery snake speaks with forked tongue while smiling smiles of betrayal..... beware of the handshake that hides a snake....

tony n   November 9th, 2008 11:47 pm ET

What kind of a message would the dems be sending if they decided to punish joe...espically after claiming to be the party to bring America together. that's right...that they are willing to work across party lines as long as they get what they want and not what's best for Americans..what a joke.

Robin   November 9th, 2008 10:39 pm ET

Senator Liebermann needs to step down. His views on foreign affairs, especially the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are at odds with President-elect Obama and the majority of the country that supported President-elect Obama. He cannot serve effectively in that high profile position. Senator Reid needs to step up and remove him from the position quickly. Were Senator Liebermann a Republican and had betrayed his party in the manner that he did the Democrats, he would have been removed from the position at 12:01 a.m. November 5th. Since he campaigned for McCain arguing against 60 Democratic Senators, why should he be the beneficiary of the Democrats 56-seat majority. He needs to "man up" and step down.

julio   November 9th, 2008 9:03 pm ET

Joe who?

Caldog1   November 9th, 2008 8:27 pm ET

Lieberman is a judas escariat. Can't be trusted. He did it once and he'll do it again by betraying the Dems when the critical vote is needed. They need to put him out of his misery before he has another chance to disappoint the party.

Ben   November 9th, 2008 8:23 pm ET

Where is the bipartisaship that Obama promised

do the math   November 9th, 2008 7:57 pm ET

Joe Lieberman has not been a Democrat since he lost the party's nomination for his seat in 2006. Since that time he has been in the Democratic Caucus and allowed them to be the majority party. Although they now have a majority without him, I agree with Senator Reid here. Joe did support John McCain, but it was basically only over Iraq. I think Joe supports other progressive issues and we need his vote.

Ted:Canada   November 9th, 2008 7:52 pm ET

Lieberman has been told to make up his mind.

Republican?
Independent?
Democrat?

He loosess his chairmanship – whatever way he goes!

you know the rest of the story....

funnyitis   November 9th, 2008 7:49 pm ET

FIRE LIEBERMAN... DON'T BE STUPID AFTER ALL HE HAS DONE TO KILL THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET...WHERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY???

IF HE WANTS TO PURSUE HIS LIBERAL GOALS, HE CAN DO SO BY VOTING ALONG WITH THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE.

Helen, NY   November 9th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

Joe Lieberman got elected as independent from CT but it was with the help of republican voters. Harry Reid had his own candidate whom he supported. Due to Joee, harry enjoyed two years as majority leader. Now of course he does not need Joe Liberman. However their days in the senate are numbered. We did not find anything great done there in the last two years and we do not expect anything from them in the next two years. They want to give bail-out to auto companies now and tomorrow they will give bailout to Pharmaceutical industry and then to textile industry and the list goes on and on.

Bob   November 9th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

Can anybody name this Senator:

Pro-life
Pro-gun
Pro- Death Penalty
Voted for the war
Voted for the Patriot Act
A Mormon, in favor of school prayer
Involved in corrupt deals with the Casino Industry
Originnally proposed the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Storage facility
as a "bring home the pork" earmark then turned against it.
Proposed his own "bridge to nowhere" to connect Laughlin Nevada to Arizona (Him and his allies owned land in Laughlin "co-incidentally")

Guess who.............HARRY REID!!

Ran as a conservative Democrat.....turned into a Liberal leader
The only consistent thing about this guy is he is a crook!!!

Annie, Atlanta   November 9th, 2008 7:44 pm ET

I don't have feelings about Lieberman one way or the other, I just hope Reid does what's necessary to get this country moving in the right direction.

As an aside, I think John McCain owes the American people an apology for unleasing the fear and hate that is still bubbling up just beneath the surface. And I hope to God it doesn't erupt.

ObamaTex21   November 9th, 2008 7:44 pm ET

The democrats have every right to be mad at Lieberman for a lot of the things that was said on the campaign trail. However, if the democrats, which I am one, are serious about working together, they need to get over the partisan politics and have a real government for the people. I supported Barack Obama in every way possible during the campaign and I want to see change in the White House as well as Congress. The first few days have been rocky in reaching the pledge of Change; it looks like more of the same. Let's not fall into the mantra the power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Dylan, Los Angeles   November 9th, 2008 7:41 pm ET

Joe needs to make up is mind and quit being such a warmonger. All Joe wants is war, war, war.

Jim S   November 9th, 2008 7:37 pm ET

The good news it that this is a free country and Joe Lieberman, a free U.S. citizen, can say what he wants to without fear. I'm sure bloggers don't scare him...;) He had valid points to make... and he had the full right to speak. I give him credit for not worrying about his Democratic "status" as a true Independent, and supporting his long time friend who also had over 40 years of documented service to our country. To me that means something basically good...
In God We Trust...In all others we verify!

lp   November 9th, 2008 7:31 pm ET

Appears the only time Lieberman "reaches across the aisle" is when he thinks it will benefit him personally! He was with Gore, then with McCain. It's not like those two had ANYTHING in common!

Dump Joe! He'll dump the democrats if and when the republicans ever come back into power again. He's out for himself and no one else...including Americans!

American   November 9th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Nice to see the sniping GOPpers still have a hobby. The true American Republicans know that we all need solutions, and that those solutions need to be for all of us (under the Obama Administration). Let's move on together.

Dunga   November 9th, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Danny, you are a leader and you don't accept advices from other people, especially those important to you, it is likley to lose the ground game.

MATT WIILL, W-S N.C.   November 9th, 2008 7:26 pm ET

Lieberman, needs to go. He thought he was so smart teaming up with Mcstupid and crue. This is Lieberman last term, watch and see. Bye Bye Lieberman, I did not like you. When you speak, you make me go to sleep.

Danny   November 9th, 2008 7:12 pm ET

This guy is another joke. I am afraid America is going into wrong direction with these jokers. Barack has no experience and he is taking advise from Harry and Nancy.

MBFLA   November 9th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Sorry, Harry but Mr Lieberman is not a progressive and neither are you and Nancy or Bush and Cheney would not be in office and we would have been out of Iraq quite a few deaths ago!

rachel   November 9th, 2008 7:08 pm ET

Is anyone shocked anyone who dared disagreed with Barack will now suffer retribution swiftly welcome to change.

Kryptik   November 9th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

I don't know how people can take Lieberman's side at this point.

He undermines the Dems at every point, essentially calls them traitors and that they want to see America fail and hate the troops, trashes Obama at every turn, and then insists that if the Dems get a filibuster proof Senate, it's the 'end of America'...

Then begs to stay in the Caucus and keep his plum Homeland Security chairmanship, from which he's done virtually NO meaningful oversight of Bush whatsoever, and wants to be pals again?

People forget, too, that a good host of the Dem leadership backed LIEBERMAN over Lamont in '06, even after the latter was voted in by CT Dems in the primary.

Seriously, strip Lieberman, because all I can see from him is a willingness to undermine any attempts at meaningful revisions of Bush's crap polices. The same ones he endorsed for so long. Lieberman has become a one-issue senator, and that's completely overridden his judgment on issues he really would normally side with Dems on.

Jaye   November 9th, 2008 6:59 pm ET

I cannot look at Lieberman anymore.
He made a complete idiot of himself, and shamed our country.
These people need to go!

Duop Chak, Colorado Springs, Colorado   November 9th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

Here is the deal: Sen. Lieberman knows his chances has diminished soon after Sen. McCain lost the presidency, so the Democrates should forgive him and learn from there.

Hilary, CA   November 9th, 2008 6:49 pm ET

Lieberman is for Lieberman. Neither side can trust him. I think he's just waiting to see which side makes the "better offer."

Rich from Philly   November 9th, 2008 6:43 pm ET

The honorable thing for Joe to do would have been to resign his leadership position if he was going to campaign against his own party's candidate and actively campaign for for the candidate of the other party. That he thinks he should retain a leadership position is arrogance to the nth degree. Time to go Joe

Pepou   November 9th, 2008 6:42 pm ET

Yeah maybe he can pick up the trash ...

PCS / North Carolina   November 9th, 2008 6:41 pm ET

Ray, Calif wrote November 9th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

"Joe Lieberman spoke his mind and told people his convictions of his parties shortcomings. If the democrats punish Lieberman for his political view then are they even going to reach across the isle to reach out to republicans. If this is how they treat their own party members why should the Republicans even consider bipartisanship? I wish the best for Joe Lieberman but it does not appear his party is too progressive to the contrary."

Joe L is an independent. So, he can align with anybody he wants. But he is caucusing with the Democrats and holds an important position as the chairman of the homeland security committee which is given to him by the democrats. After all that, IF HE BACK STABS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENY , what would you expect. ?The TRAITOR should be expelled from the committee, who knows, he may have alignments with another country, not U.S.A.

Jon Cruz   November 9th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

Harry Reid labeling Joe Lieberman "progressive" is an excellent example of why Harry Reid needs to be replaced.

Bob   November 9th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

Another great quote from a Democrat: "to bash Obama is totally unacceptable".

Hmmm...let me guess what's next. Anybody who doesn't agree with St. Barack is now going to be called a racist. Any problems that don't get fixed (and of course no one of them can be fixed in a single term, I'm sure) will be due NOT to a failure on the Dems part, but of COURSE how terrible the Republicans left it (ooops, there's that awkward truth about the last two years being a Democrat-controlled Congress, and that Democrats were the driving force behind the economic meltdown...ooops).

Get ready for LOTS of criticism, folks.

Oh, and by the way...has there EVER been a candidate who created the "Office of the President Elect" like Obama has? I'm sure an official seal will follow. It'll be interesting to see how an egomaniac performs as POTUS.

sick n tired   November 9th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

This guy is a piece of work! and so is Lieberman!

Bob   November 9th, 2008 6:27 pm ET

"Let the republicrook party have Joe " turncoat, sleeze-ball ", Lieberman"

I believe this quote pretty much sums up the Democrat of 2008, and the so-called "bipartisan" approach they keep yapping about.

Lieberman was elected as an Independent, which means he can vote ANY WAY HE WANTS. I know that a lot of you people are just not that smart, and can't get past your little political angst, but Lieberman has done exactly what WE ALL SAY WE WANT OUR POLITICIANS TO DO–THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND GO WITH THEIR CONSCIENCE.

I love you hypocrites that talk about bipartisanship, but when someone doesn't toe the party line (even when he's no longer in the party) you want to throw him under the bus.

Almost half the country didn't vote for Obama. MORE THAN HALF are going to see what a disaster the next few years are going to be with Democrats in charge. Enjoy it while it lasts. Talk is cheap.

Rich from Pholly   November 9th, 2008 6:22 pm ET

There is a difference between voting for what you believe in and more than actively supporting the other party's candidate while denigrating the candidate of your own party. Joe can vote for whoever he wants and do whatever he wants. However, he must be required to give up any leadership position he holds with the Democrats, including committe chairs. How can the party recognize Joe as one of its leaders after he spoke at the Republican convention and trashed Obama? Every night he was on TV with McCain tacitly supporting the bankrupt tax and social policies of McCain. Reid needs to say: sorry Joe, you can stay but no plums for you. Sen. reid–you will have no party behind you if there are no consequences for Joe's actions. He can be Joe the Senator but not Joe the majority chair of a committee.

dave   November 9th, 2008 6:20 pm ET

"right wing nutcase" is this the "change" that many have been programmed with? do as i say, not as i do.

Enjoying life to the fullest! :)   November 9th, 2008 6:20 pm ET

Lieberman, to me, is the kind of man who would board a lifeboat BEFORE all the women and children were gone. He has no cooth and should be reprimanded. That's how civility works. Some people could have used MORE reprimanding as a youngster. Maybe there would be more courtesy, unruliness, and common sense in the world these days.

Greg in Albuquerque   November 9th, 2008 6:17 pm ET

Harry Reid is an idiot. He and Nancy Pelosi will ruin the gov. I'm tired of them blaming Pres Bush for everything. It is truly ironic that people are saying Bush was the one and should be blamed for the bailout. Nancy and Harry along with Barney were up there striking the drum and bellowing for the bailout. I can only hope that Obama will put them in their places. Pelosi acts like she it the one running the country. If you want to get things fixed get rid of these two career idiots so that all parties can work to get America fixed.

BM   November 9th, 2008 6:10 pm ET

Joe is nothing but a traitor. Nothing wrong speaking at the convention, but to bash Obama is totally unacceptable. He is an old fart and must go!

Tony   November 9th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

The problem with Lieberman chairing the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, is that his policies regarding the war and Homeland Security, are at odds with the platform of the party in control of the Senate, The Democrats.

He should continue on the committee, a vocal proponent of his position but for him to chair and set agenda is inappropriate.

Or Senator Lieberman could take a chairmanship on a committee where his positions and the Democrat Party are in agreement.

K Michael   November 9th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Senator Lieberman must be removed from his Homeland Security Committee Chairmanship in the name of bi-partisanship, civility and unity. Senator Lieberman aided and promoted the 'palling around with terrorist', communist and socialist smears made by the McCain campaign. America voted for a new kind of politics and McCain cannot be rewarded for promoting the fear and division America is moving beyond. Democratic Senators must insure there is a cost for turning against the American people by promoting fear and division. If Lieberman wants to leave the Democratic Caucus, let him.

Milhouse van Houten   November 9th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Maybe they can get"across the aisle Joe"a seat right in the middle of the aisle,maybe with his own party,"the Democans".

avedis   November 9th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Lieberman needs to go. He confuses his priorities. His first priority should be the U.S. and not Israel. He is sneaky and tricky character that should not be trusted.

No Hillary = No Obama   November 9th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

Land of the free and home of the brave, that is unless you aren't in lock-step with the system and speak independently. Then you'll be punished for crimes against the party. And that's why you see the ecomony in shambles, people losing their jobs and homes – because you have a group-think mentality in Washington run by a bunch of recycled partisans.

JACKED-UP-POLITICS, FLORIDA   November 9th, 2008 5:47 pm ET

Lieberman changes his ideas just as quickly as the wind blows. Get him out of there. Lieberman is only concerned with pushing his own agenda and ideas. He is not We The People. More like Forget the People

Ray, Calif   November 9th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

Joe Lieberman spoke his mind and told people his convictions of his parties shortcomings. If the democrats punish Lieberman for his political view then are they even going to reach across the isle to reach out to republicans. If this is how they treat their own party members why should the Republicans even consider bipartisanship? I wish the best for Joe Lieberman but it does not appear his party is too progressive to the contrary.

Makkabee   November 9th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

@ Democrats: Lieberman's oath was to the US constitution, not a party - he can support who he wants. That's not treason.

@ Republicans: when you back a loser there's a price to pay. Why should Democrats vote Lieberman a chairmanship when he opposed their candidate? Those slots go to active supporters of the majority party, always have. The price of being an independent is not getting those positions. Suck up and deal.

Buckster   November 9th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Take his chairmanship away, which he says is unacceptable to him and that will force him to change parties, which will send him where all other north eastern state congressional Republicans go (went) at the next election.

MIchael   November 9th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

If liberman has any dignity he would step down on his own from his chairmanship.

However, considering that Liberman is a politician and all of them democrats, republicans, and independents under the right circumstances can sell their soul to devil as liberman did, I am a firm believer on justice and in this case LIbermann is guilty.

he is not a man that can be trusted. As the campaign showed, liberman is a man (hero though he may be as some claim, some for which I can hardly find any reason why to listen to, as they clearly do not understand the meaning and the weight of the word HERO) of rumours, a hypocrite, and opportunist.

Of course senators are in this for themselves and only fools can be fooled that liberman does something that others cannot do. Anyone can vote, anyone can use common sense, anyone can spend the time investigating, researching, and leading given the opportunity.

Libermann does not deserve to be a chairmann to any commite.
If libermann does not step down on his own, the democratic party must remove him, and than all will see who the real libermann is.

If he starts voting against the democrats it is clear it would be because of anger and smear. If however libermann is as just as he likes to think of himself, than he would continue to vote the same way he has even though he would not be a chairman.

but i am sure liberman knows how to suck the power tit.

Farnk, Las Vegas   November 9th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

LIEberman can stay a Democrat if he wants to, but NO Chairmanships! Should he wish to switch over and become a Republican, that's fine to! President Obama has a clear and very strong mandate fom the American people. The American people have spoken and to be honest, they really don't care what LIEberman does.

Independent white female patriotic voter   November 9th, 2008 5:35 pm ET

Joe Lieberman should retire, he no longer knows what he is or wants to do. Send him home!

KLEE   November 9th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

Lieberman – I remain confused – I guess someone more versed in the political animal has to decide – I didn't like his remarks/smirks with the McCain/Palin ticket.....that was just a downer! Glad Obama one this election.

New Day   November 9th, 2008 5:30 pm ET

I say, in the spirit of unity, we let bygones be bygones. Lieberman showing up at the RNC this year really pissed me off but, there are more important issues out there than this and we need all hands on deck. You guys talk about punishment; what's a bigger punishment than looking like a total jerk to an entire nation and then losing, anyway. I feel that "being a bigger person" is more in line with Obama's message

FreeNLovIt   November 9th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

Just leave Lieberman alone.

Simmy   November 9th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

Funny, I don't hear anyone mocking the functions of 'Community Organizers' now! When you consider that then Barack Obama worked to get people registered to vote – a leadership trait that helped during his campaign. All of the knowledge and expertise he gained way back then propelled him into the position he now holds. My friends: 'despise not the days of small beginnings.'

rws   November 9th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

All of this "WE" and "THEM" shows us just how totally broken our system is. Obama is going to be bipartisan? Good Luck! He'll be fighting his own party as much as the other one.

GK   November 9th, 2008 5:21 pm ET

Quantum Mechanics allows a particle to be at two different places at the same time and Joe Lieberman can be at two different Parties at the same time: the DNC and the RNC.Therefore Joe Lieberman is a Quantum.

Texans for Obama   November 9th, 2008 5:15 pm ET

I say kick the bum out!. He thought McCain was going to win and he would have a place in his cabinet but it did not work out that way. He can't be trusted. I can't stand two-faced people like Lieberman.

Laura, Boston   November 9th, 2008 5:15 pm ET

Then why are you trying to take his chairmanship away from him?

Molly   November 9th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Grow a pair, Reid. Kick him out!!!

larry sinclair   November 9th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

No Harry, Joe is not a right -winged nut job but you are definitely a liberal nut job!!!

GO AWAY HARRY   November 9th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

Look exactly how much longer till tis fool is up for re election? We really need to get rid of all the old stupidity in Washington and we can start with this jerk.

Look Reid you sold out Lieberman not the other way around. In a couple years he will still have a job while you will be on unemployment. And the reason why is simple. Lieberman is willing to work with people no matter what the party. You and your dingbat buddy Pelosi don't seem to graps you work for all americans not just the ones in your party.

Do you realize more americans approve of George Bush then they do this fool by a 2 to 1 margin. That is how idiotic and foolish he is. Vote out all incumbents for the next 6 years.

Dave Florida   November 9th, 2008 5:08 pm ET

KICK him out. We dont need him. If Hilary remains in the Senate and does'nt want an administration job...Make Hilary the Chairwoman of Homeland Security committee that LIEberman chairs.

David   November 9th, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Just the kind of "change" we need: partisan politics. I want more independants and less Dems and Reps. The majority of this country sits in the middle of the two parties yet we have to choose between far left and far right.

Pat   November 9th, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Joe Lieberman should not have a chairmanship!!!! Personally, I don't think he should be allowed to sit with us, but to give him a chair of any committee over a loyal Democratic Senator would be outrageous.
Lieberman is only in it for Lieberman. He is looking at his "options." What do you think that means? He's looking for the best deal for Lieberman. I don't know how many times he has to undermine you and prove his true colors for you to learn this guy's character. Let him sit with the Republicans. If he is an honest guy, (?), he will still vote his conscious with you. If all of a sudden he votes whichever way the Republican wind is blowing then you have the character answer for sure. If he does not vote the way Ct. wants him too, then they will take care of him. Let him go!

Ryan   November 9th, 2008 5:04 pm ET

I think Reid and Pelosi should be sent home. They don't help anyone.

Ben   November 9th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Throw him out of the caucus. he's wishy-washy as it is.

Adam from College   November 9th, 2008 5:01 pm ET

If Lieberman loses his chairmanships why on Earth would he caucus with the Democrats? While some Democrats may feel betryaed by Lieberman it was the Democrats who betrayed him first. I would not be surprised if he condisdered caucusing with the GOP if the Democrats betray him again. I can see him enjoying a nice fillibuster if the Democrats keep peeing on his leg.

Zackria   November 9th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

This Lieberman is the biggest anit-Muslim in the Senate right now. The only reason he was anti-Obama was because he thought Obama was Muslim. Kick this tool out and teach him a lesson. Tell him he is not needed anymore and needs to go home.

By the way, to him Israel comes first, not America.

valwayne   November 9th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

Joe Lieberman is one of the most honorable men to serve in the U.S. Senate. Despite being betrayed by his party he still caucused with them allowing them to take over control of the Senate 2 years ago. They owe him big time, and yet the way they've treated him is despicable. So much for being post partisan. The Republican minority should ask Lieberman to caucus with him and use their substantial power in the Senate to insure that the democrats can't fulfill their threats to to destroy him.

ED FL   November 9th, 2008 4:57 pm ET

The democratic party would be better off with 54 Senators. Reid and Lieberman should both be kicked out of the Democratic party. We have just had 2 yrs of incometency in the house and senate. Reid and Pelosi have made a sham of leadersip positions and both need to go back to janitorial tasks. They have been the poorest examples of leadership in my lifetime of 79yrs as an always straight democrat voter. The folks of Nevada and California deserve better , so does America.

Marie in California   November 9th, 2008 4:56 pm ET

Joe Lieberman is a hero. He put country first.

No one can help the Dems. They are a lost cause. I shudder at the thought of what the next four years will bring.

Palin – 2012

Danny in Chicago   November 9th, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Sure...Lieberman is an Independent. Oh wait..didn't he lose as a Democrat and had to switch to Independent to win his past election?

And yes, being an Independent means that you have no obligation to either party -yes that is true – however, if you believe that being an independent means that you don't have to deal with the consequences of your actions, then you're just naive.

We all talk about unifying the country. Looking behind party lines, getting in touch with the better angels of your nature and that truly is great, but I want to remind people that this does not mean that we IGNORE the fine lines that have been crossed. The people who have played BOTH SIDES to secure more power for themselves. These are the people who have hijacked our country!

Lieberman has overstayed his welcome. And he's just plain old and gives the jewish people a bad name.....

Republican for Obama   November 9th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

Joe is a traitor and he HAS TO GO!

FactCheck   November 9th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

What is despicable about this rat wasn't that he supported his old friend McCain... it's that he lied about not going on the attack against the DNC candidate. I still can not get over how the rat had the nerve to take the stage at the RNC convention and question Pres.-elect Obama's patriotism. What exactly have you done that would qualify you to make this charge, Senator?

New Citizen   November 9th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

Israel First...We've NOT known Lieberman yet.....Very sad

Dave   November 9th, 2008 4:44 pm ET

Funny all the haters on one of a handful of senators who works with both parties on issues. Joe does it, Obama says hes going to do it, but we all know that wont happen.

JM   November 9th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

Most of the democrats in Connecticut are fed up with Joe Lieberman and don't want him representing our state. He hasn't cared about Connecticut for a long while now, anyway–he just takes care of himself. Reid should strip him of all his chairs, and next chance, Connecticut voters should finally say goodbye to Joe "Benedict" Lieberman. Let him move to Arizona and live next door to McCain–or to any of the other 8 neighborhoods where McCain has a house!

David   November 9th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

Lieberman can help by leaving and going home. Quitting his job and regretting his behavior.

I don't trust anything this man has to say. I believe in his actions. They don't portray him as a loyal person. To anyone?

SD   November 9th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

kick him out! kick him out!

kick him out! kick him out!

Independent in NC   November 9th, 2008 4:39 pm ET

Do the calls for Lieberman to be "punished" for holding a different point of view scare anyone else?

I think Obama missed a golden opportunity to back up his rhetoric about bipartisanship and change when he said he was going to stay out of the Dems vs Lieberman mess. I can't say I'm surprised, because Obama always distances himself from anything uncomfortable. This was a chance to say "Right now there's a changing of the guard in Congress. We have some good people from both sides of the aisle; no matter who they supported, our goal should be to identify talented people and put or keep them in positions where they can help our NATION move forward, not the agenda of our party."

A statement like that would have probably had an effect on a few people who are nervous about his administration. Just because he won doesn't mean that he still doesn't have to earn the respect and support of almost half the nation. Doling out "punishment" to the opposition (by any side or at any level of government) does nothing to heal the divide in the nation.

realtimes   November 9th, 2008 4:39 pm ET

Lieberman only ever jumps on the losing bandwagon anyways.

Dems can keep him around as a sort of political weather vane.

MD for Obama   November 9th, 2008 4:37 pm ET

He is a traitor and not needed! Good-bye.

Enjoying life to the fullest! :)   November 9th, 2008 4:35 pm ET

Lieberman is just confused. When you have someone like that, it is like smoking around TNT...

connie   November 9th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

lieberman should lose his chairmanship on homeland security and then he should be kicked of all of the commiteeshe sat on. Then show him the door with there boot.And that to nice for him. If it was left up to me i would him to Alaska you betcha wink wink. And he would stay there till hell froze over or until Palin could tell someone what a VP job is and then kick his but out of congress.

JohnLee   November 9th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

I'd say, don't worry about Lie-berman. There are more important things to worry about. When he comes up for reelection, put up a good candidate in his state and let him go spend his retirement years with McCain. I can't stand to see his smirky little face anyway. Saw enough of it in the election. What does he bring to the table anyway?

Nuaman   November 9th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

Funny, did you expect Lieberman to support a BLACK PRESIDENT? You must be joooookkkkking.

bob in LA   November 9th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

Harry Reid is a baffoon. So what if he liked McCain? where were the Dems when he was running as a democrat for reelection and had to resort to a 3rd party to retian his seat?
Ones loyalty should be to those that elect him- not a policatal party.

Former Republican in TX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   November 9th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

Sen. Reid, if you cave in and let Leiberman keep his chairmanship, I will be so disappointed in you. I actually like Joe Leiberman (voted for him on the Gore/Leiberman ticket), but what he did during this campaign can NOT be allowed to just slide by. Joe's a big boy, he should understand if he gets moved to a less important committee. If he gets mad, so be it. Maybe he'll know how we felt when he turned traitor and campaigned for the GOP.

You can NOT endorse the GOP candidate, campaign constantly for him, and then turn around and caucus with the Democrats. Pretty elementary to me!

Ananth   November 9th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

Being a Turncoat, ir is hard to trust Joe. However, given the benifit of doubt, that he was a Democrat and now a Disgruntled one- he is oK in his last few years.

mbg   November 9th, 2008 4:12 pm ET

Joe needs to go eveyone needs to email or call Reid. I dont want him anywhere near any chair. Not because he backed McCain he was very harsh on Obama. His comments were enough. Mr. Reid if you let him stay you will be replaced.

Janice   November 9th, 2008 4:10 pm ET

It's Ok for Powell to do the switch, But not Ok for Lieberman? If i were Obama I'd remember how Richardson came to my side by throwing the Clinton's under the bus, seems to me that a lot of Judas's are all after the jobs that Obama has to offer or has offered already. Remember once a cheater always a cheater, once a traitor, etc. All the above.

Hal, Redondo Beach, CA   November 9th, 2008 4:10 pm ET

Joe should stay with the Dems. becuase on most issues he is very liberal and that is a noble thing. However he should be stripped of any chairmanships becuase of his efforts to install and incompetent candidate (Palin) in the executive branch. If any leader of the congress decides to put the interest of a foreign power ahead of the interests of the people and this nation they should not be in any decision making positions.

JOE the Senator from Connecticut betrayed not only his party and his own conscience, but the country when he put the interests of the hardliners in Israel ahead of the interests of this nation!!

Farrell, Houston, Tx   November 9th, 2008 4:08 pm ET

What did McCain promise Lieberman, that's the question. Did McCain promise Lieberman a power playing position in the Republican party had he won which meant Lieberman probably would have turned Republican. Sorry, but my judgement tells me Lieberman has got to go.

Mike Smith   November 9th, 2008 4:07 pm ET

Lieberman's made his own decision when he sided with the Republican Party. Here's a guy who couldn't get on the ticket with the Democratic party, so he ran as an independent. Most people voting for him remembered him as a Democrat. Then, once elected, he chose to side with the Republican Party. I'm sure CNN can dig up plenty of old articles on that, there were plenty on this very ticket. Now that the Democrats have taken over, Lieberman, who was a turncoat and a traitor to the party, should be out on his ear.

gbreite   November 9th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Ever since following Lieberman in his last senate race, I have come to suspect that he believes he has been appointed by God to direct USA resources toward the protection of Isreal. While his devotion to the Children of Abraham is clear, his committment to the rest of the American people is ambiguous. I vote with others who believe Joe should be removed from any committee that influences important international and domestic policy. Reid needs a new job as well.

Inform Informed   November 9th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

Nope,

Let him keep the seat, believe it or not it contributes to a balance
go read
(http://balkin.blogspot.com/ " Saturday, November 08, 2008

The worst reason in the world to deny Joe Lieberman the Chair of the Homeland Security Committee ")

RGG   November 9th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Joe 'Judas' Lieberman is a traitor. Kick him out of caucus. Remove all his privileges. How can he be trusted with the chair of Homeland Security? His is an agent for the Israeli government. If he has any self-respect left in him, which is doubtful, he should retire and get a one-way ticket to Israel where he will be more comfortable with Zionists like him.

steve   November 9th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Reid should show some leadership and turn Joe the judas loose or he should step down from the leadership of the senate.
Joe liebarman being the chairman of homeland security would be a disaster to President Obama, because he would sabotage him. I don`t trust joe the judas.
Remember he was behind all the whisper campaign against Obama as per Isreal. He said Obama is no patriotic enough for his bigoted mindset.
Dems, call Reid to stand up to this mole(joe lieberman).

nv voter   November 9th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

I am a Reid constituent. He does a great job for our state. We will re-elect him. He loves NV & US. Let the caucus decide on Lieberman. That is what a democracy is all about. Reid does not need to be the only one making the decision. Back off on my Senator!

Wanderer   November 9th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

Lieberman absolutely had the right to support McCain/Palin and criticize Obama, but he should not hold the sign ‘Democrat for McCain’ because he was not Democrat, he was independent, instead. If he is accused of being traitor that at least makes some senses. While we exercising clemency we also need to protect ourselves from being stabbed in the back again.

Ben   November 9th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

Put the boots to him, medium style.

MIchael   November 9th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

Reid should remove Libermann from the chairmanship position at all costs.

If Libermann identifies with the Democrats than he is welcome to stay in the caucus, If however LIbermann's only reason to stay with the Democrats is his own personal greed and love for power as chairman of a committe than Libermann would be best to leave and join the Republicans.

Reid no matter what the decision must give LIbermann the choice of whether to stay among Democrats or join his heart's party. Either way .

NO CHAIRMANSHIP for liberman.
We voted on the promise of change from old politics, Reid needs to wake up, smell the coffee and act on change, else Reid must open the path for other people himself if he plans to be a lame duck himself.

cataclysmo   November 9th, 2008 3:55 pm ET

It's it time for President-elect Obama to tell people like Harry Reid to stop the BS and quit the name calling? Didn't he run on the unity thing? Why is it okay to call people right-wing nutcases? I am really sick of this. The people gave Obama the chance to lead, live up to your word Mr. President-elect. Call out these hate mongers in your own party and start the healing. Harry Reid needs to be taken to the woodshed and told to respect his opponents even if he doesn't agree with them. It is really pathetic to be in such a leadership position and to talk smack about your opponents. Really small Harry, really small.

LieberSelf   November 9th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

Lieberman is playing both sides. He was hoping McCain would win so he could serve in the cabinet. Didn't work out. He made his choice, and Dems should make theirs. It's time to quit kissing his patootie.

Reid is such a weakling. Instead of making excuses to do nothing, he should acknowledge that how any senator votes is up to that senator. If Lieberman wants to side with dems he can, but dems don't trust him and don't want him in their caucus.

Rose   November 9th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Reid needs to get a grip, first he was ready to dump him from his position and now maybe it will be okay, Reid wants his vote and that is all he cares about. I hope Lieberman tells him to put is committee where the sun don't shine. Reid is worthless, all he wants is the magic number of 60 and he will do and say anthing to get it.

Dyan   November 9th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

When he choose to run as an "independent", Lieberman gave up his seniority status as a Democrat. And when he choose to actively campaign not only for McCain but for other Republicans, he picked what side he wanted to work with.

Now it's time for Lieberman to live with the consequences of his choices.

Dave, Central Illinois   November 9th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

So much for unifying the country. I don't hear Republicans calling for the outing of Hagel. Hey, go for it Dems! Please eat your own and please push a radical left agenda. Then, it will be 1994 all over again. Old fart Dems like Reid and Pelossi just can't help themselves.

Vic   November 9th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

If Harry Reid should "punish" Joe Lieberman for his backing of John McCain, he will be the first to throw out the hopeful working together in a non-partisan manner. And as far as retribution for remarks in a political race, look at all the negatives Joe Biden pointed out about Barack Obama during their primary races. Also, the Obama and vice versa attacks of the Clintons. That's a weak sister it seems, and hopefully Liebermann will continue in his position of cooperating with the Democrats.

Mark   November 9th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

If you cross Reed he and the other will cast you out of the party. How is this change? I dont see any positive change coming for the Dems.
What a shame. If you stand uo to them you are finished.

Mark

A Senior Southern Lady - NC   November 9th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

Senator Lieberman crossed the line during the campaign. He campaigned with and for the opposition candidate and criticized Obama. It is necessary to show a spirit of cooperation but when a senator from your own party throws his support behind the other candidate, he has crossed the line. He should be removed from any position of authority in the Democratic party and should not be privy to any information except the most mundane. The Republicans can have him!!!

Elizabeth from Dallas   November 9th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Very tough call. Loyalty isn't the most important character trait at the end of the day – good judgement, honesty and generosity trump it – but Lieberman went out and actively, aggressively and mean-spiritedly worked to defeat the party that stands for the principles he supposedly believes in for the narrowest of reasons. It will be hard to respect anything that comes from that man in the future.

Frank G   November 9th, 2008 3:45 pm ET

Time for Joe to call it a day.....and a career

Good luck to Obama

Onslow   November 9th, 2008 3:44 pm ET

I think Senator Lieberman should tell Harry Reid to go stick it! If backing a proven leader instead of a wet behind the ears radical makes him unfit for his chairmanship,then he should take McConnell's offer and caucus with Republicans!

Michael   November 9th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

There are more points that have not been stated:
1: Joe kept his seniority after changing to Independent because the Democrats allowed him to caucus with them and allowed him to keep his seniority.
2: Joe was given a Democratic Chairmanship because he was going to vote with the Democrats as a part of the caucus.
3: Joe was ineffective in his Chairmanship in the Senate- unlike his House counterpart in investigating the Bush administration.
4: Joe campaigned with McCain and attacked Obama which he said he would not do.
5: Joe campaigned against downballot Democrats stating 60 would damage the Nation.
If that is not enough to remove him from the Democratic caucus- turn the scenario around and think about it. I have added my name to the petition to the Democratic caucus telling them to remove Joe. It is not a partisan attack- it is about doing the right thing. I know that CT will do the right thing next time Joe is up for re-election. Look at how many Republican Congressmen are in NE now- 0- once a bastion of the GOP.

Carrie Pa   November 9th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Now that Obama is elected. Harry and Nancy need to get their act together. Stop the childish games!

Anonymous   November 9th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

Harry and Nancy need to get their act together. Stop the childish games!

Sean the thinker   November 9th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

Joe Lieberman should lose his comittee chairmanship position. Not because he supported John McCain on certain political positions (Iraq e.g.), but he went a step further when he criticized Barack Obama at he Republican national convention. Just looking at the perception his speech created alone speak volumes about his trust and loyalty

Steve, New York, New York   November 9th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

Joe Lieberman is an INSULT to anyone with a brain – the guy was the 2000 Democratic VP candidate (perhaps made the difference for Al Gore not getting elected), and then he goes around "trashing" the 2008 candidate of the party, with which he supposedly continues to caucus.

I am really sick of this guy, and I wish he would leave Washington (had Al Gore picked Russ Feingold as his running mate, back in 2000, Bush # 43 would have never been elected)!

Ted in Oregon   November 9th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

Reid should tell him: "Here is our offer: NOTHING! You are welcome to stay in our caucus under our terms, but if you don't like that, don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out." In regard to his vote, we could never really count on it anyway. Besides, I believe that we could pick up Snowe's and Collins' votes enough of the time to make up for his. Lieberman is not in any position to demand concessions from the Democrats. He'll never be reelected anyway.

robert l gray   November 9th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

HOW DUMB CAN THE DEMOCRATS BE =LETTING JOE LIBERMAN STAY AND TIP OFF HIS REPUBLICAN FRENDS TO EVERTHING THEY WANT TO DO SO THEY CAN SCUDDLE ALL THEIR PLANS FORVTHE LAST EIGHT YEARS

It is what it is   November 9th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

Yeah, he can help the Dems, by LEAVING! TURNCOAT!!!!

Semper Fi   November 9th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

Joe, dump the Dems like they dumpted you last election. You do not fit their marxist agenda.

A Real American   November 9th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

More spineless "leadership" from one of the worst Senate leaders in my lifetime.

Elections have consequences. Endorsing the opposing party's candidate is one thing. Giving a speech at the opposing party's convention and campaigning for down-ticket candidates of the opposing party– at the expense of your own party's ticket– is quite another.

Let's toss this quisling out of the tent. He's earned nothing less.

Praetorian   November 9th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

Reid...shows clearly nothing has changed.
In order to keep Leiberman's vote on the DEM side of the aisle–he's willing to risk leadership of one of the most critical committees.

I have not problem with Leiberman being allowed to remain in the DEM caucus if he desires.

I've got a big problem with him continuing to be Chairman of any commitee–when he is so clearly at odds with the President Elect–so much so he felt the need to step across the aisle and support the GOP candidate!!

Harry Reid–do the right thing or be flooded with phone calls, emails, and (we pray) your constituents will soon send you home!!

Jack Fritscher   November 9th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

BACK TO WHOSE BEDROOM? It's soooo nice that Arnold can get "back into his bedroom" which is ironic because I can't get back into my bedroom, and neither can my devoted same-sex partner of 30 years-because churches (mixing religionism and politics) voted against Marriage Equality with Prop 8.

George in TX   November 9th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

Joe could be the president of Israel if he wants.

luvinman29   November 9th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

Interesting. Not supporting the democratic nominee for President is not enough to warrant his removal. Please give me an example of what would be reason enough.

robert l gray   November 9th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

joe LIBERMAN IS A TURN COAT WHO WILL GO WITH THE DEVIL TO KEEP BEING PAID BY THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT HE WILL SELL HIS SOUL TO THE HIGEST BIDDER

denise   November 9th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

i don't pretend to understand joe lieberman or his motives. be that as it may, he is clearly a man of very little loyalties, and he is not a team player. whatever the dems decide, i think joe will be just fine in the end. because his actions, for the last few years, have clearly been only about him.

Gary Connors-Boe   November 9th, 2008 3:23 pm ET

Senator Lieberman often seems better suited for an elected position on the Kinnesset. His belicose Middle East positions posit the U.S. as a proxy for Israel. I certainly have appreciated Joe's more progressive work on behalf of many issues, but he has not served the best interests of the United States with respect to our Middle East foreign policy. Dems should not give him chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee.

luvinman29   November 9th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

That's smart. Let him hang around to betray you again.

rogelio de la rosa   November 9th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

i think it's time for Joe to go wherever he likes. . .he has no permanent judgement as to where he will be in time of crisis. . .anyway, there's only a handful who will hear what he will say. . . . .

Martin   November 9th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

The Dems need to instill discipline in their party. It should start with kicking Joe to the curb.

Adolph Ceasar   November 9th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

Joe ... you chose poorly ... seems like you are always aligned with losing efforts.

Come take your whipping like a man ....

David Newport, OR   November 9th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

As I have said before, but evidentily in a tone too abrasive to be published in these forums, Harry Reid does not have the backbone to be an effective leader. Joe Lieberman is NOT a Democrat and we no longer need his one vote to obtain majority status. He should be removed from his committee position. Reid and Pelosi are both terrible leaders. My dog can convince people to take him for a walk better than either of these "leaders".

Dave   November 9th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Good bye Judas

Frank Lee   November 9th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Maybe Joe and Zell Miller can form a traveling song and dance act with the proceeds going to the Educate Sarah Palin before 2012 Foundation.

joyce   November 9th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Joe Lieberman has lost respect of most Americans. He needs to just retire.

facts are facts   November 9th, 2008 3:16 pm ET

Lieberman took his stance for personal gain rather than friendship or ideology. He didn't think Obama could win and saw an opening for a political job in the McCain administration.

You lost Joe. You sold your soul for opportunity and it just didn't pan out so say it ain't so Joe and go away far away.

John G   November 9th, 2008 3:16 pm ET

"Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators,"

HIS senators? Funny, I kind of thought they were elected by and worked for the people in their districts not some megalomaniacal wannabe whose party just got a slightly larger majority in the Senate...

Lois   November 9th, 2008 3:16 pm ET

LIEberman should register for his correct party. R-Israel. He is an opportunist and not to be trusted by EITHER party. Kick him out of ANYTHING Democratic.

Lynda Ridgefield, CT.   November 9th, 2008 3:10 pm ET

Lie-berman, should understand that, as he was elected as an Independant, he betrayed the citizens of Connecticut, when he spent the summer, standing behind McPain and endorsing, someone like Palin.
He is, a Modern Day Benedict Arnold, and the Supreme Oppurtunist!!

We, should recall him!!!!

B Tuggle   November 9th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

Whether Lieberman is with the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, his duties remain the same and if he does not fulfill them, the are real issue is at hand.

Granted his actions during the campaign are within bounds of major irritations, it seems that maybe the Senate can use him in a positive way. However, if he starts demanding things or saying prospects are not acceptable then its time for the close-line, as in begone.

One question to mind, if Lieberman is the Chair for Homeland Security and Government Affairs, how much we that be as a burden for Sen. Obama. We need the Chair of such an important committee to have an excellent course of exchange with the President.

Having said the above, I would prefer to dine at a different table than Lieberman, and in fact maybe a different restaurant, but definitely not my home.

Ron , West Coast   November 9th, 2008 3:08 pm ET

Let the republicrook party have Joe " turncoat, sleeze-ball ", Lieberman . Harry Reid is a very weak majority leader as it is, ..... To me , it seems we need a change in leadership. We don`t need Lieberman, he definitly can`t be trusted.
I say Hillary Clinton should be the majority leader in the senate, she`s tough, she very intelligent, just who we need to get the ball rolling, and keep the other demo. senators on the same page, to get the " Peoples " work done !!!!

La Chatte   November 9th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Perhaps the Dums should punish Joe by sending him to Alaska where he will be forced to sit on the front porch of the trailer and stare at Russia with the Palin clan. It's better than what he truly deserves!

KJL   November 9th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

Lieberman has joined Palin in that they have both become punch lines.

JWheeler   November 9th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

Dump him!

KCBob   November 9th, 2008 3:02 pm ET

Joe must go. Perhaps in 2010 we can close the book on this back stabber and a few more corrupt Republicans.

caribbean admirer of OBAMA   November 9th, 2008 3:01 pm ET

This opportunist choose the wrong side and should he think that for this he would be rewarded?
He has to come straight forward and tell his fellow politicians that he supported Mc-faillure just because of race and nothing else.
His place is in Guantanamo.

GOD BLESS ALL THE AMERICANS WHO GAVE THEIR TRUST IN A REAL SON OF GOD AND WHO REALLY LOVES THAT COUNTRY!!!!

OBAMA FOR EVER!!!!

I am a proud Democrat   November 9th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

I can understand the Democrats being angry with Lieberman for siding with a Republican in the presidential race.

But I think calling what he did inappropriate is incorrect. Afterall, Lieberman didn't vote against his party – Lieberman is an independent.

In fact, Lieberman was forced to be an independent because he lost as a democrat in the Connecticut primary, and then won because in his state, he had the support of republicans, democrats, and independents.

It was his choice to side with the Democratic caucus, not a requirement upon him.

To "punish" Lieberman now would be to punish him for not following an obligation he simply did not have. He has no requirement to be loyal to a party, since he's not part of one. And he has no obligation to vote with a particular caucus, since he's the one giving more strength to whichever caucus he's in, not the other way around.

Sue in MI   November 9th, 2008 2:55 pm ET

Can they really trust Lieberman? Either side? I'm not sure that I do.

WIlly Brown   November 9th, 2008 2:54 pm ET

Let's hope Joe jumps the sinking ship of the Harry & Nancy liberal love boat!

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