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Lost ballots force extension in Minnesota recount

It seems the end of the recount won't mean the end of the Senate contest.
It seems the end of the recount won't mean the end of the Senate contest.

MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (CNN) –It looks like it will take even longer than expected to declare a winner in Minnesota’s historically tight U.S. Senate race between incumbent Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken.

As of Thursday night, it appears as if the state canvassing board’s unofficial deadline of this Friday will be postponed due to an envelope of about 130 lost ballots from the city of Minneapolis. Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann said Thursday that, due to the “extraordinary circumstances,” the city now has until December 16 to locate the votes. That’s day the board is set to meet and take further action in the recount process.

“We won't meet our goal to have all ballots hand counted by the end of the day [Friday] unless the envelope returns in the next 24 hours,” Gelbmann told CNN.

Minneapolis Elections Director Cindy Reichert said she’s “not sure where [the missing envelope] would have gone” but that they’re “in the process of looking under everything.”

With most of the ballots recounted at this point, Coleman maintains his slim lead at about 300 votes.

Spokesmen for both campaigns would not immediately return requests for comment.


Filed under: Al Franken • Minnesota • Norm Coleman
soundoff (53 Responses)
  1. Lost in Texas FOREVER

    this will NEVER end! I say put them in a room and let them UFC like fight it out. Whoever walks out is the senator.

    December 4, 2008 07:07 pm at 7:07 pm |
  2. Barbara in NC

    Hmmmmm – isn't that Michelle Bachman with an envelope running her mouth – er, running down the street? Hate that woman.

    December 4, 2008 07:08 pm at 7:08 pm |
  3. Howard Roark

    A transition team loaded with lobbyists, a cabinet loaded with entrenched Washington politicians…yep, change you can believe in.

    December 4, 2008 07:17 pm at 7:17 pm |
  4. fdaddy56

    "It was the Grinch", claimed Al Franken. "He stole those ballots to ruin my Christmas and my chance for a cheesy book deal."

    December 4, 2008 07:19 pm at 7:19 pm |
  5. sglman4Obama

    Please wake me up when this is resolved YAWN!

    December 4, 2008 07:20 pm at 7:20 pm |
  6. Barbara in NC

    Howard Roark – It certainly beats four more wars.

    December 4, 2008 07:21 pm at 7:21 pm |
  7. Drill, Baby, Drill

    Carl Rove has the ballots

    December 4, 2008 07:26 pm at 7:26 pm |
  8. Boye

    Well, if he leads by about 300 votes, why are they waiting on 130 ballots to determine the winner. It's unfortunate that we could attain our filibuster proof status but 58 isn't that bad.

    December 4, 2008 07:27 pm at 7:27 pm |
  9. will

    the "Coleman ahead by 300 votes" stat doesn't seem to comport with the MN Secretary of State's website, any explanations?

    December 4, 2008 07:29 pm at 7:29 pm |
  10. Bert

    They should hold a new complete election. How can we trust the results when they are votes and envelopes that get lost and reappear again....Hold a new election and let the people of Minnesota decide again!!!

    December 4, 2008 07:32 pm at 7:32 pm |
  11. Robbin

    what bothers me is that if there was never this recount then there are people whose votes would not even be counted because they were "lost"...ridiculous

    December 4, 2008 07:38 pm at 7:38 pm |
  12. jrzshor

    what if the "found" that 130 and then another 130 showed up?

    December 4, 2008 07:38 pm at 7:38 pm |
  13. chris @ stl

    I really pity this country!! How can anybody lose such an important thing as a ballot box .... I guess when you hire an incompetant 90 yr old (looking at the picture insert) with Alzheimer's, that's what will happen!!!

    December 4, 2008 07:44 pm at 7:44 pm |
  14. NW

    We need UN monitoring.

    December 4, 2008 07:50 pm at 7:50 pm |
  15. Barbara in NC

    Chris – not all 90 or 80 year old people have alzheimers. Hope you stay young forever, with all your prejudices.

    December 4, 2008 07:51 pm at 7:51 pm |
  16. GloomBoomDotCom

    Franken is an idiot and I guarantee you he will "win". The Dems have no shame. Check out GloomBoom.com

    December 4, 2008 07:55 pm at 7:55 pm |
  17. MainerforHunter

    hey OPRAH ,
    YOU FAR LEFT WING NUT BAG !!!
    TOO BAD !!!!
    SARAH 2012
    TEAMSARAH2012.COM

    December 4, 2008 07:55 pm at 7:55 pm |
  18. Barbara in NC

    Must be cold in Maine tonight – ha ha ha ha

    for Hunter hit the booze really early tonight – or this afternoon – ha ha ha ha

    December 4, 2008 08:00 pm at 8:00 pm |
  19. Steve

    This race reminds me of the Olympic basketball game back in 72 between the US and the USSR....the bad guys just kept cheating at the end until they won.

    December 4, 2008 08:01 pm at 8:01 pm |
  20. diana panzarella

    A question for President Bush and my fellow Americans.

    Here are a couple of questions I have for the president before he leaves office and a question I ask of anyone who can answer it. My first question president BUSH is how do you sleep at night for what you have done to this country? I would also like to know when are you going to take accountability for what you did by going into Iraq and what kind of idiots do you take us for? My heart goes out for your mother and I can understand her having a stomach ulcer, God knows I wouldn’t want to be related to the most hated person in this country ever!!!!!! Also my question to anyone who can answer it is actually two questions first being why isn’t president Bush and Vice president Chaney being able to just walk out of the White house Scott Freeeeeee????? Why aren’t they being impeached? ( I don’t get it). Also why isn’t vice president Chaney in jail for attempted murder when we have a” famous sports idle going to jail for shooting himself” not someone else himself?????? But our vice president Chaney can shoot another man dressed with a orange vest and say I didn’t see him!!!!!???? I hope all the skeletons come out of the white house closet when all is said and done!!! President Bush you shouldn’t be buying a house to live in you should be rotting in prison. And seeing your new home and it being in the richest part of Texas makes me want to throw up!!!!! You have some nerve to put America in the poor house and live in a mansion I hope you and your family sleep well at night!!! Another thing is what’s with all the laughing and kidding around you know it only makes us hate you more! So stand up and be responsible for what you have done and apologize to this country!!!!!

    Your disappointed, disgusted, irate, fellow American ,you know one of the ones you put in the poor house due to your lack of attention to what was going on in this country to busy I guess!!!!

    December 4, 2008 08:12 pm at 8:12 pm |
  21. chris @ stl

    @Barbara in NC .... I apologise for age reference .... It is so frustrating thinking of unimaginable stuff happening these days .... I don't care who wins eventually. But, I want make sure that it is done right!

    December 4, 2008 08:14 pm at 8:14 pm |
  22. conservatve

    Bet they will resurface doubled for the DEM!

    December 4, 2008 08:14 pm at 8:14 pm |
  23. Ay carumba!

    Please keep the recount honest! This is scary.

    December 4, 2008 08:37 pm at 8:37 pm |
  24. Thanks Sarah supporters!

    Great to hear of the Palin wingnuts – yay, 8 years of Dems in power! Thanks guys.

    December 4, 2008 08:38 pm at 8:38 pm |
  25. Matt, Chico, CA

    Franken's trying to cheat his way into office

    December 4, 2008 08:39 pm at 8:39 pm |
  26. no bailouts

    let them draw straws.

    December 4, 2008 08:39 pm at 8:39 pm |
  27. LALA

    America, wake up. How can you be this careless by loosing ballots.
    Ballots are not lost, they are stolen.Please look for the thieves.

    December 4, 2008 08:43 pm at 8:43 pm |
  28. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia in CA

    They are on the next stage.

    Good grief...what freakin year is this??!!!

    December 4, 2008 08:46 pm at 8:46 pm |
  29. You don't need to know my name

    I still want them to find the ballots that they lost in Florida in the 2000 election.

    December 4, 2008 08:49 pm at 8:49 pm |
  30. Xavier

    Conservative,
    To hear a republican be sarcastic about ballot manupulation is truly ironic. Can you say Florida? Even after seeing all the misfortune that has befallen us after Bush stole the election from Gore, you still havent learned your lesson. You all wanted Bush so badly, he was what you all viewed as the ideal republican candidate. What does that say about you all's sence of judgment?

    December 4, 2008 08:54 pm at 8:54 pm |
  31. Jody Monroe

    Do the math people!!! It's mathematically impossible for the person who is behind by 300 votes to win, if there are only 130 votes outstanding! DUH!

    December 4, 2008 09:06 pm at 9:06 pm |
  32. MBFLA

    Who is going to come and oversee our election process?

    December 4, 2008 09:12 pm at 9:12 pm |
  33. Tricia Maestre

    Xavier...can you say 2004 election when a group of dems in Michigan where caught tampering and forging ballots as well as trying to intimate voters to vote for Gore? And can you think back to Florida and all 4 times it was counted Bush was ahead each time by more and more votes.....OH yeah fast forward to this election can you say ACORN??? and their shaddy practices??

    December 4, 2008 09:14 pm at 9:14 pm |
  34. cobra

    Blame President Bush, he must have them.

    December 4, 2008 09:15 pm at 9:15 pm |
  35. DOCS 3

    PLEASE!!!!
    IN A SO-CALLED FREE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY LOSING VOTES IS COMPARABLE TO LOSING A WAR. THE MAIN BATTLE IN THIS WAR IS FOR DEMOCRACY. AFTER ALL THE GUNS, BOMBS AND SMOKE CLEARS, THE VOTE STANDS AS THE ONLY TRUE TEST OF DEMOCRACY. MAY THE BEST PERSON WIN. THE PEOPLE WILL SPEAK.

    December 4, 2008 09:17 pm at 9:17 pm |
  36. anthony brown

    Franken needs to concede the election...something he should have done on election night. Recounting votes until you win doesn't work...take a lesson from Al Gore. After the recount President Bush still won by an even greater margin. Democrats can't accept defeat. I am a republican and conceded that we lost this year and will regroup for next time.

    December 4, 2008 09:27 pm at 9:27 pm |
  37. democrat with a small "d"

    Yeah, Coleman is still winning! The Dems won't ever accept it though.

    December 4, 2008 09:27 pm at 9:27 pm |
  38. Jim Bob

    Just like I said...Franken has to win. The fix is in!

    December 4, 2008 09:35 pm at 9:35 pm |
  39. Dan, FL

    Al Franken must be having them in his pocket. He is an idiot. He shoudl accept his defeat. He is a loser.

    December 4, 2008 09:37 pm at 9:37 pm |
  40. mb

    They need to flip a coin and just maybe with luck. Coleman will loose and the country can move on.

    December 4, 2008 09:39 pm at 9:39 pm |
  41. MN observer

    As a Minnesotan, I truly hope that our legislators look at this fiasco and figure out another way to break ties, decide winners when the difference in their numbers are to close to be statistically sure.

    I don't know if a "run off" system like GA has is the answer or not but it is a lot quicker and I feel it is at least as fair as the nonsense that is going on in our state right now.

    Honest people make honest mistakes but the process that is going on now only makes us look inefficient and stupid.

    December 4, 2008 09:49 pm at 9:49 pm |
  42. Rich in NH

    We have been doing these things called elections every two years for the last 200 years, right? – you'd a thunk that we would have this process nailed down pact , but I guess we're not really serious about elections fraud – I smells a rat in this and am sure we'll "find" more misplaced envelopes in the very near future – shameless. I say it's long overdue for stringing up the people who we actually caught in this last set of congressional and general elections and make examples out of 'em. Those who voted in two locations for prosecute them to the max: if Plaxio Buress gets 3 yrs – these bastadges should get 6!

    Live Free or Die!

    December 4, 2008 09:55 pm at 9:55 pm |
  43. Willy Brown

    Al Franken would be better served if he just walked away rather than trying to get Hary Reid to steal this electon for the failed actor and radio host.

    December 4, 2008 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm |
  44. Larry

    diana panzarella,

    I'll bet he was tossen and turnen,he tossed and tuned all night,he jumped out of bed ,tuned on the light,jumped back into bed it was the middle of the night.That should answer one of your harder questions.
    Chill out,your over the top with your issues,mellow out,it's going to get worse.

    December 4, 2008 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm |
  45. Godluvr

    Today we're gonna count them like it's '1999' – again! When will technology trickle down to the voting systems? Will someone please invite them into the 21st Century? Sigh.

    December 4, 2008 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm |
  46. My2Cents

    What a gross waste of money. There has got to be a better way.

    December 4, 2008 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm |
  47. Richard A. Spomer

    Minnesota is turning into one big joke in which you need to find a pivot man for the continuous participation of a circle jerk! Count what you have, and deal with the other hundred and thirty at another point and quite playing with your selves.

    December 4, 2008 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm |
  48. Denise Groves

    Minnesota! Get your act together!

    December 4, 2008 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm |
  49. TexasAnnie *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

    @ chris @ stl - before you make disparaging comments about the abilities of the people counting the votes, you might want to re-read the article and see just how good your comprehension skills AREN'T. Nowhere does it say anything about losing a BALLOT BOX. (And I'm betting an ENVELOPE with 130 ballots in it could easily be misplaced considering the mountains of paper in those counting rooms.) Learn to read before posting your incorrect remarks, toots. And, hey, someday you too may be 90 years old– check back with us then & let us know how that's going for you, okay.

    December 4, 2008 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm |
  50. Yes We Know

    Everyone knows that republicans are steal elections so why even bother the recount. Just give this one to them since they weren't able to thief too many this time around with so many people watching them. They are hurting enough, just give them this one for the Gipper.

    December 4, 2008 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm |
  51. Jim in Bisbee

    I doubt Franken will win, but in these cases the candidates have to do what they must to save face. This isn't Florida 2000 – Minnesotans tend to be more honest – it must be something to do with the cold.

    And don't get me wrong – I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. It seems to be pretty clean.

    December 4, 2008 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm |
  52. Mark in WA

    Diana needs to take a chill pill. Is her happiness really dependent on seeing Bush "get what he deserves"? I'm sure Bush sleeps very well at night because the mistakes he has made (which admittedly are a LOT) are not crimes, they were mistakes, which had adverse consequences. The Bushies have done a lot of stupid things, but that does not mean it is criminal behavior. Just because we can't stand a politician's views or decisions doesn't mean we send him to jail. Good grief.

    December 4, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  53. Chris in Va.

    MN observer-Let's see, Jesse "The Body"Ventura as governor, RE-electing Michelle "McCarthy Was an Amature" Bachman, and now "finding" ballots, I'd say "inefficient and stupid" sums it up nicely.

    December 5, 2008 12:06 am at 12:06 am |

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