WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Supreme Court has rejected an emergency appeal from a retired lawyer in New Jersey who questioned Barack Obama's eligibility to be president, because he had dual British-American citizenship at birth.
The justices without comment on Monday refused to intervene in the November 4 presidential election, dismissing the claims of Leo Donofrio, a resident of East Brunswick, New Jersey.
In his appeal, Donofrio claims that because Obama's father was a Kenyan-born British subject, the president-elect does meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. His mother was a U.S. citizen, born in the United States.
Many legal analysts questioned Donofrio's argument.
"The law has always been understood to be, if you are born here, you're a natural born citizen," said Thomas Goldstein, founder of the Scotusblog.com Web site, and a lawyer who has argued numerous cases before the high court. "And that is particularly true in this case, when you have a U.S. citizen parent like Barack Obama's mother."
In another lawsuit making its way through the courts, Philip Berg of Pennsylvania alleges the president-elect was actually born in Kenya. Berg claims Hawaii officials will not let him see Obama's original birth certificate, although the campaign posted a copy of it online this summer, following numerous blog postings over the citizenship question. That case had previously been dismissed by lower federal courts.
The appeal rejected Monday is Donofrio v. Wells (08A407).
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Good. This was a joke. Some people are pathetic, sore losers. The election is over, get over it!
will you losers get over it. Obama is our new president, if you don't like it leave!
Leo Donofrio needs to increase his medication. He is not being rational.
Those whack jobs just want to get their 15 minutes of fame. Tell them to go on the Dobbs Rant Hour. (No one watches it since he got away from illegal immigrants).
Here's a comment for Donofrio...you lost. Get over it
I hope these clowns go broke chasing their fantasies.
Hopefully this right wing nuts will stop the madness now.
Oh, good grief! The guy's an American citizen! Just because McCain lost, some are going to be sore losers.
Talk about the shoe being on the other foot - when Bush won, all the Bushies told the voters who didn't vote for Bush to deal with it - he was president.
Guess what?
Obama won.
So all who didn't vote for Obama - deal with it. He's president.
Let's see if you can take it as well as dish it out.
It's is so crazy that bigots will go to any length to keep everyone else from being equal. I didn't heare this much todo about the babies illegal aliens have while they are in this country being considered citizens and therefore their parents can stay.
I hope this guy is satisfied with his 15 minutes of fame, and, like Sarah Palin, will just go away.
Get over it. He's an American Citizen. And the next President of the United States. Let's move on.
He is just looking to be in the spotlight. What a fool!
Would this guy be making as big of a deal out of this if John McCain won the election? HE WAS BORN IN PANAMA! Makes a person wonder!
Obama was born in Hawaii....how many times does he have to present his birth certificate. All this doesn't matter anyways....even if he wasn't born in the U.S....his mother was a United states citizen.
I don't understand their argument. Are they trying to say that the millions of children who are born to parents in the Military who might be stationed in other countries can never be president? Just ridiculous. If your parent or parents are U.S. citizens and you just happen to be born in another country...you are automatically a U.S. citizen as well.
LEO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE NEWS.
AND HE DID AS AN INCOMPETANT LAYER.
Oh no, now the dttoheads have proof that the Supreme Court is now in the tank for Obama along with the media!
That is certainly a wide reaching conspiracy to promote his soclialistic agenda.
Finally this absurdity by this neocon whack job comes to an end – Unless of course your from W. VA, TN or KY...
People are so desperate...they can't get over the fact that we have a President elected by the majority of voters. I wonder if when Mr. Berg sees the original birth certificate and it says that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, he will say that the certificate is false and there's a conspiracy to keep Obama in the White House. Ridiculous!
Niiiice. Still none of our business, huh? That's not Change, nor Transparency. Fooled again, how's it feel?
WHO IS JOHN GALT?
Way to waste the court's time. What losers.
I'm glad you brought up the fact that if one is born in the US then they are considered naturalized, because many of the suits brought up against Obama is that he was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii. Just because you say he was born in Hawaii doesn't make it so. Where is the Naturalized Birth Certificate, not the new certificate they placed on the web where you could see the stamp 2007 bleeding through the paper.
Satan what will you try next the Bible clearly states that God appoints who governs us wether we agree with it or not, but this time you got the wrong man we will fight , not by our might nor by our power but the Spirit of the Living God!!!
I don't understand why these people continue to insist Obama is not a natural born citizen when proof has been shown over and over that he is. Are they inspired by racism, or are they just afraid that a different sort of person has been elected president. They should just get over it.
These nutcase deadenders rethugs will never stop. Clarence Thomas is a rightwing tool and is very envious of Obama. I can't believe he had the nerve to question Obama's citizenship,the guy is a product of affimative action which he rejects, he is a disgrace to the SCOTUS.
Donofrio is a loser!!
Shame on Justice Thomas for introducing this.
Boy that old geezer is really trying to stir up nonsense....What a nut....
wonder how much the Republicans paid this loser?
These are just a bunch of racits people. They think they can make it miserable for Obama, but it isnt working.
And why does this Donofrio guy care?
Obama was born in the US, therefore he is a US citizen. The Donofrio guy obviously needs to get a refresher in what being born in the US means. Maybe he needs a geography lesson too and remind him that Hawaii IS part of the USA.
Sore losers?
The Supreme court are obviously INCOMPETENT. Ugh. He is NOT qualified to be President. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! HE IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY
1776-2008 – United States of America
2009-2012 – The Socialist Republic of Amerikkka
2012 – RENEW AMERICA!
Who the heck does Berg think he is demanding that confidential files be released to him? Both of those men should seek a psychiatric evaluation.
Great idea, let's try and throw out the person that just won by a landslide and has great ideas for a country in really bad shape! That is exactly what this country needs right now. Plus, we could add on the wonderful pleasure of deciding who replaces him. (Can you feel the sarcasim, cause I'm laying it on thick!?)
haha.. all you haters..
accept the fact that he is your president...
he aint going no where for another 4 years..
We love you BARACK!
Stupidest lawsuit ever.
Who is more stupid, the right-wing nutballs who persist in questioning Obama's citizenship or Sarah Palin? I gotta give the edge in stupidity to Palin.
What a tragic day it is when the Supreme Court refuses to hear a completely frivolous case brought by conservative nutjobs. I for one am ashamed.
we have so many serious issues and threats against America. This shouldnt even be an issue. Why dont you spend some time trying to 'impeach' those that rushed America to war? This will help new gnerations of leaders to be more accountable for reckless behaviours.
Am glad to see the Supreme Court make the right decision.
The unfounded attempts by the radical right to constantly stir up
trouble for Barack Obama and the democrats must come to an
end.
The survival of our country is at stake and they MUST, for once,
unify the help resolve the crisises they created.
Oh, give it up, will ya! Obama would have never even gotten in sniffing distance of the presidency if he was not a citizen. Please find something else worthy of a complaint to talk about.
Good to know the SCOTUS gave this nonsense all the attention it truly deserves.
Give it a rest! Obama is the POTUS!!! Do you think these people would be quesitoning John McCain's citizenship had he won? This is ridiculous and needs to stop now!
Isn't Hawaii a state?
Sheesh, these wing-nuts just won't let go!
barack hussein mohamed obama is a black liberation theology muslim who was born in kenya of an arfican (forget british subject). aren't we all british subjects?
he is conceived of the hollywood think tank & promoted by liberal media.
us citizens will rue the day this socialist chicago agitator enacts his wpa on a democrat deciminated economy via credit & banking policies of a corrupt machine.
LOL, this is pathetic that some people with single digit IQ's are still behaving like idiots!! Get over it people, America already voted and it was clear that we want Barack to lead us. So proud that America looked past color to the best man for the job, even if it turned out to be a black man!! Go U.S.A.
The only reason this is an issue to some is that when all is said and done...they're RACISTS! Of course they'll spout off about wanting to protect the office...blah blah blah and they don't have a mean bone in their body. What a joke...now get over it folks an get ready for the 1st BLACK President to take office soon
Pretty much expected, it would have been a sad day in America if the Supreme Court were to overturn the will of the voters.
We all know that the far right wing of the Republican establishment is behind all this nonsense. Just like the far left wing of the Democratic establishment tried to say that Bush’s election was illegitimate 8 years ago.
These days it seems like no matter who gets elected the extreme wing of the opposition party will try to derail their election.
The Congress is responsible for the review of elligibility for the office of President. Votes are meaningless if the candidate does not meet the Constitutional requirements. Obama had his birth records in Hawaii sealed for a reason. The Birth Certificate on file there is stamped Kenya. The certificate of live birth is stamped Hawaii. Obama is not elegible for the office. His signature on a bill will be worth no more than mine.
Now Go AWAY.
I know, it's hard to digest......but Barack Hussein Obama is the next President of the U.S.A., now get a life!
Deeply embedded racism has no limits on how it attempts to rationalize the ridiculous. Stupid is as Stupid does.
Barack Obama will be our president January 20, 2009.... GET OVER IT!!!
Why won't Obama just post a copy of the original, long form, signed birth certificate that has the details of his birth, the hospital, the doctor etc.? The only thing posted on SNOPES and Obama's website is just a computer generated database dump, not the original birth certificate. He could shut down all this sniping and BS if he just posted it. He ought to just go ahead and do it so we don't have to continue to hear this stuff.
This retired Lawyer from New Jersey needs to get a life and learn about how one can become a US Citizen.
It appears he did not understand our laws pretaining to naturalized citizenship.
This guy is a retired lawyer thank God I would not want this loser representing anyone.
THESE IDIOTS SHOULD BE BILLED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR TAKING UP THE COURTS TIME WITH FRIVOLOUS AND FALSE LAWSUITS.IT'S LONG OVERDUE. YOU HAVE MORONS AND RIGHT WING LOONEYS WHO TAKE UP THE COURTS TIME EVERYWHERE WITH FRIVOLOUS CASES
Some will do anything to stop Barack Hussein Obama from becoming president. I love who & what he is: A brilliant black man born in Hawaii.
Oh, puh-leaze! This has already been debunked many times before.
Or have you right-wing nuts forgotten already?
Obama is a fake!
he was born in Kenya
no birth certificate (not posted online)
just a certificate of live birth.....it is not the same
no doctor delivered him in Hawaii......show us the records!
it is a shame nobody is willing to look into this.....
it is unconstitutional...it is breaking the law...
but who cares, right?
it is a fraud
Leo Donofrio.....what a moron this guy is.
Did you seriously believe you had a chance....
Let me spell it out for Barack HUSSEIN Obama is your President for the next four ...I'm sorry next EIGHT YEARS!!!
Deal with it or leave the country ....WHO CARES!!
some people just can't get over themselves can they? bo won. get over it... move on all you republican idiots.
Good job SCOTUS!! Glad to see that you all understand that this country has more important things to focus on, and don't have time to deal with completely ridiculous appeals. Maybe someone should explain to these people that Hawaii is a part of the USA, might be a good idea to use a pop up book to illustrate it!!
No matter what, some people will never accept Obama as president. To tie up the SCOTUS with this nonsense is one of the freedoms our new president will keep in place. If he had tried that with GWB, he would have ended up in Gitmo or worse.
Thank you, now can we please move on from this
Find someting else to do with your life. Stop whining like Karl Rove.
this was questioned during the campaign!
the media silenced it...that is all
Obama is not my president!
you idiots just look away.......
he is giving you change all right!!!!
Sore loser. One man thinks he's going to go against what Americans know is right. Barack is an AMERICAN citizen. No one questioned his citizenship when he was a state legislator or Senator, it's only when he wants to become president that this is an issue.
The court was right.
Of course John McCain must be a citizen...he was born in Panama.
Alito wanted to hear this case until Ginsburg slapped him.
I'm suspicious of Donofrio's citizenship? Please BCIS check this man's citizenship?
I'm so glad that SCOTUS refused to let anyone learn the facts about this issue. Now Obama can rule – and he does! I'm sure now all the anti-Obama whackos will feel appropriatley stupid. How dare they request to see his birth certificate! It's none of their business! Anyway, now the O can go about unifying the country.
seriously? still?
i keep forgetting his a muslim terroirst sleeper cell operative that is bent on destroying the country. He is also employed by the devil and wants to rename the USA the united Al Qaeda republic.
Hey cattlecar, if Obama's Birth Cert is sealed in Hawaii records with "Kenya" stamped on it. How would you know if the records are sealed??? hahaha....Dude....get a life.
Is Donofrio being paid by the non-capacitated Republican Party, a smear that is not only for Obama but the entire American citizens who voted him into his presidency.
Perhaps we should question Donofrio instead as maybe he is a Latino illegal alien because of his last name.
DONOFRIO – Welcome to America, NOW GO HOME.
Cattlecar
Where did you see a ceritified copy of the Birth Certificate showing Kenya as place of birth?
Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Once again, shotty reporting by the mainstream media. No official copy of Obama's birth certicate has been shown to anyone in the media. If it had, these questions would have gone away a long time ago.
Alan Keyes is suing the California SOS alleging she never verified Obama's eligibility, i.e. place of birth. He has standing. He will get access to the actual certificate of birth. I sincerely hope Mr. Obama's actual certificate of birth states he was born in Hawaii, or we've all ben hoodwinked.
To CattleCar
Thank you for the honest update, but until W is impeached, I cannot support your view. Nobody is perfect
Let's have a small review of the nutjobs behind all this :
There's Jerome Corsi, who's best known as the co-author of the book that launched the Swift boat vets; he's a chief proponent of the claim that the government is secretly planning to form a "North American Union" with Canada and Mexico. Philip Berg, who filed the lawsuit that had until now drawn the most public attention, is a 9/11 Truther. Andy Martin, who's credited with starting the myth that Obama is a Muslim and has been intimately involved in the birth certificate mess as well, was denied admission to the Illinois bar because of a psychiatric evaluation that showed he had "moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character." He also has a long history of anti-Semitism. Robert Schulz, who's responsible for the ads in the Tribune, is a fairly notorious tax protester. In 2007, a federal judge ordered Schulz to shutter his Web site because he and his organization were, in the words of the Justice Department's Tax Division, using the site to promote "a nationwide tax-fraud scheme."
I fail to see this man's logic. The U.S. is basically an immigrant country. Everyone's ancestor's originally came from somewhere else (native Americans excepted). Would he close the door, not only on new Americans, but on history?
It's about time.........
John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one seems to question his citizenship...
Suck it up neocons, your day is OVER!!!!
"cattlecar" you like drama – go find it somewhere else. This is such an old stupid story, please give it up, Obama is the next President of the United States.
I am so glad that this nonsense is over with. "Cattlecar", with your comments, you MUST be under the influence of something illegal.
Hail to our new POTUS, Barack Obama!
Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.
I am a Kenyan...Obama was not born in Kenya...these people are crazy. If that's the case then anyone born in the states to a foreign father must renounce the U,.S citizenship ASAP. Because they are not LEGITIMATE CITIZENS.....That means everyone in the States because this land belonged to Indians first
Good JOB Supreme Court. Some Americans still have hate in their heart and souls, and will continue to use the Internet to give them reasons to continue this non-sense of smears towards President Elect Obama. One must re-examine themselves, and the truth is "CHANGE STARTS WITHIN YOU". Now! Do you honestly think Obama would have gotten this far if he had any eligibility concerns to be president ???
I never want to hear Republicans blame Democrats for the litigiousness of our country.
cattlecar-
Take off your tinfoil hat and seek help.
So, using that logic, if your ancestors are from a different country, you are not eligible to be president, even if you were born here. That means the only people eligible for the office are native americans.
To "cattlecar":
GET A LIFE, PLEASE!!!!!!! Who cares what you think, he's the president and THAT'S IT!!!!!
Good! This HACK of an attorney should be stripped of the right to practice law...BITTER, SORE LOSER!!!! Talk about your frivolous law suits!
Sing with me: Let it go, Let it go, Let it go.
Sorry fellas but like it or not the US is going to have an African-American president. I am glad the courts decided NOT to get tied up in such a silly lawsuit when we have more important things going on right now in our country to deal with.
cattlecar – If the records are sealed, how would you know what was stamped what? I suppose that means you had the incredible foresight to check into the documents before they were sealed, but not the simple common sense to take a picture or make a copy. Right?
Forgive me if I don't think you're the most reliable source of information.
SCOTUS made the right decision! The dumb nut that wanted Obama not to be POTUS elect, didn't want McCain to be POTUS elect either.
God Bless Democracy
On reading some of the above comments, I know where the Roswell crowd has been doing lately.
Give it a rest!
A fitting end to possibly the dumbest bit of legal mumbo-jumbo since the Dred Scott decision.
As if the folks who brought you endless months of Rev. Wright, William Ayers and "Obama is a socialist" wouldn't have leapt upon this little tidbit if it were, in fact, true.
I am glad this mess is settled; now, come on America, let's get on with working TOGETHER to get our Country back on her feet .
God bless the United States of America!
What's with all the wimps in government?? While this might just be a conspiracy, what's the harm in finding out once and for all whether Obama is qualified to be our next president?
Even someone who voted for Obama would want to know the Constitution was being upheld, wouldn't they? I would hope so...otherwise, we have really lost our way...
The birth Cedrtificates should be examined by the Supreme court
to determine if they are legal and that he was born in hawaii and not Kenya.
There maybe a problem with Obama being born in Hawaii because the Hawaii monarchy was overthrown by United States troops in late 1800 in violation of international law. Sure some Presidents including Clinton have apologized for the actions of the American government but what good is an apology. When statehood for Hawaii was approved in 1952 the natives Hawaiians were not allowed to vote.
Maybe someone should sue Donofrio for being an idiot.
John McCain was born in PANAMA! Why didn't this turd blossom question his citizenship?! Boy, I'll tell ya....racism rots the brain!
Donofrio probably also thought Palin would be a good POTUS in waiting.
Go back into retirement, old man. It was a good effort (I'm being generous) but Obama is your next president. We dealt with Bush, now you can deal with Obama.
While I have no problem believing that Obama was born a citizen of this country, I would like to know that he was not made a citizen of Indonesia as a child after moving there with his mother's second husband.
If one renounces their citizenship as a US citizen then they forego the right to hold high public office, and although Barack Obama did not in any way renounce his citizenship when he was a child, if his father claimed him as a citizen of Indonesia, then he would have to had re-apply for citizenship to our country.
This is a relatively simple process and would in no way preclude Obama from the presidency, but I'd just like to know the truth of the matter.
For being one of the most gifted speakers in history, it sure is hard to pin him down on anything he has to say, but I'd like to hear what he has to say on this topic.
He's got plenty of time before January 20th...shouldn't be a problem.
All these people saying that Obama is not a natural-born citizen just because he hasn't shown his legal birth certificate remind me of the folks who still say that OJ Simpson is guilty of murder after he was clearly found INNOCENT in a court of law. GET OVER IT, RACISTS!!
i can't believe some people would go this FAR!! DUMB an waist of time!!! Yall are just holding us back, you need to be disputing other things in the world like, BAILOUTS, PEOPLES RIGHT TO VOTE, SEXISM IN AMERICA, ETC.
This was pointless!! MAYBE YOU CAN GO TO ALASKA AND CHECK OUT SARAH"S RECORDS, SHE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA!!!!!!!!
: )
This is just as stupid as people still thinking Obama is a terrorist muslim or has terrorist ties. Yes, we now have a black President with an Arabic name...get over it.
Do these guys have anything better to do? Why is'nt there a law that will charge them for making these frivilous lawsuits-and keep them from distracting from what the courts are actually there for-legal business!!!
These people do not know when to stop. The right cannot acknowledge the fact that America has a black President. Get over it.
Cattlecar, your medication needs adjusting.
If there was some document (e.g. birth certificate) in Kenya it would have surfaced some time ago. If they don't record births in Kenya then there will be no evidence. If the Hawaiian birthday certificate was stamped "Kenya" there would have been a written record in Kenya by the same agency that stamped Kenya on the document that is sealed in Hawaii. Otherwise who would have put the Kenya stamp on the original birth certificate?
I would imagine this man was vetted quite well early on in his campaign and a legitimate claim would have been made by now.
Let's all focus on helping the new president work with our representatives in Congress and see what we can do to help America! Good heavens folks, we need to put this country's future in our own hands and help the leaders fix our problems.
Newsflash – even if he had been born in Kenya (which he wasn't) he would still be a US citizen – his mother is American and given her young age when he was born I think its safe to say she had spent most of the previous 10 years before he was born in the US. This is part of the requirements for children born to American's out of country. McCain was born in Panama and is a US citizen as well. For you people still holding onto these bizarre and debunked ideas try Google, all this information is out there for you to find. And another newsflash – BLOGS don't count as a credible news source!
OMG! Come on there are more important things going on than to waste your time on this. My son had dual citizenship also. I was active duty military, so was my husband. Our son was born in England. My son now proudly serves for our country. Are you telling me that if he ever decided to run for President, your going to try and stop him? What a crock! And Barack was actually born in Hawaii...which by the way...is a state!
It really would not matter if he was born here or elsewhere. The fact is his mother is a US citizen therefore he is a US citizen regardless of whether he was born in hawaii, kenya or mars. And for the idiots who dont quite fathom how that works, McCain was born in Panama therefore by their own theory he is also not a natural born citizen.
I guess he is missing the point of DUAL citizenship. This is pretty sad that he would go to such lengths to not have President-Elect Obama serve this country as president. I think it says more about his character– or lackk thereof.
What a distraction and what a waste of time ....
All those who still don't believe that PE Obama is won the race fair and square, please get over it, and start diverting your energy in to doing something positive .... It's over .... get back to your life!
Obama has been scrutinized more than any other human being running for president. Please give it up!!!
I like how the article says Obama was born in Hawaii as if this is a fact. This alone is in doubt and is being argued. There is evidence that suggests Obama was born in Kenya. Additionally, even if Obama was born in the US he lost his citizenship when he lived in Indonesia and went by the name Barry. I must admit I believe this will be a dead end as no one will want to question the messiah.
Cattlecar needs to take his conspiracy theories and get himself either a job that keeps him busy or another hobby. There are NO facts in REALITY that show Kenya stamped on the birth certificate document and Cattlecar's claim is just worth the email comment cyberspace it is written on. Thankfully, Obama's signature will have the force of law and Cattlecar is just an anonymous, meaningless, and sore loser kook who has way too much time on his hands.
Do you know how hard you are investigated to be in the secret service, do you honestly believe a potential president of the U.S. does not come under the same scrutiny as your local post man. Think about it have some common sense. If you don't think they asked to see his birth certificate, try to apply for a driver license with out one and see how long that line is.
Cattlecar,
Stick to driving cattle you idiot.
The last time I checked, Hawaii was part of the 50 US states...
Great! Will the nut jobs please go away now that there ridiculious claims have been shot down.
I understand the suit says that Obama is not eligible to be president. But the thing that troubles me are people saying that "His signature on a bill will be worth no more than mine" and they will challenge every bill he signs. There comes a time when we have to unite behind the President. You may not agree with him, and that's what democracy is all about. But this is ridiculous.
I disagreed with the Supreme Court ruling that allowed President Bush to take office, but I nonetheless recognized him as President. I disagreed with him many times, but I never considered going to court, clogging the system up with something that was already resolved.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone... so who cares.
The whole "natural born" thing needs to go all together, we're not a nation of 100,000 anymore. There's TONS of very good foreign born people that have lived in the USA all their lives and fought in the military, paid taxes that could really help lead this country. Why are we descriminating against someone for something they have 0 control over????
I think the State law board should look into taking action against this lawyer for brinigng such a frivulous law suit. Please do not waste the courts time.
I'm glad the Supreme Court dismissed that. Now maybe all of the conspiracy theorists and ignorant people who believe every fowarded email and Youtube and those rediculous websites will all be at ease now. Yeah, right. I can't wait to see what else these people come up with to try to halt the POTUS elect's agenda. Not.
"The Congress is responsible for the review of elligibility for the office of President. Votes are meaningless if the candidate does not meet the Constitutional requirements. Obama had his birth records in Hawaii sealed for a reason. The Birth Certificate on file there is stamped Kenya. The certificate of live birth is stamped Hawaii. Obama is not elegible for the office. His signature on a bill will be worth no more than mine."
Seriously?!? When was the last time you looked at YOUR birth certificate? Unless you are born DEAD, everyone's birth certificate (in the US) is a LIVE birth. The Hawaii birth certificate is a legitimate birth certificate. And FYI, babies with parents from two different countries can often claim dual citizenship. None of that negates Obama as a US Citizen. Perhaps you should expand your knowlegebase before making such patently false claims.
Wow, I never seen anyone question any of the other "natural born" POTUS....I guess you have to look "natural born" to be president.....
Why not release his college and birth records?
Why fight this tooth and nail with millions of dollars?
What is there to hide?
It is one thing to be book-smart, it is another thing to be smart & dumb.
All these pple questioning Obama's citizenship are either dumb/stupid or they are just plain being mischievous. How could one even think the FEC would have cleared Obama to stand for the election if he is not a "natural born citizen". Oh I forgot, Hawaii is the last state to be accepted into the union and it is too close to Japan and they do not speal English, so he must be have been born when Hawaii belonged to Japan. The most annoying thing about this is that all these cries are coming from the so called educated Lawyers and what have you. It is time to move on and drink from the unity cup!!!.
What morons.
Even if Obama WAS born in Kenya, so what? He was born to a United States citizen mother, which means he gots derivative citizenship at birth! He could've been born in Kenya and STILL would be a "natural born citizen." Sheesh. Some people just don't know anything.
What a joke. The justices should not have convened for this; they should have rejected the suit via email or twitter or some equally dismissive means...
Time to move on and continue the search for UFOs,Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster.
This is dumb, idiots need to get a grip. The man is a U.S. citizen – that's that! Oh and by the way – HE IS THE 44TH PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!! Do you honestly think the Repubs would let him get this far and he isn't a U.S. citizen. Why do you think it is so hard for Mexican mothers to just get sent back to their homeland when their children were born here – their kids are U.S. citizens and no one wants to separate them from their kids.
Let him be, he ain't goin no where!
I am a registered democrat and voted for Hillary in the primary, but I could not vote for Obama because there were too many questions about his character. Think for a minute people, if Barack Obama didn't have anything to hide, why wouldn't he provide his long form vault copy of his birth certification? The certificate that he posted on factcheck.org was short form. Look at it people and compare it to yours. His short form did not list the doctors name that delivered him. It show his weight, height, and color of eyes. Obama has denied access to his college records at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. Obama wants to be President of the United States of America, yet he does not think that we, the people, have the need or right to know about his background and status of natural born citizenship. I pray that my fellow Americans will demand anwers to these questions so that we can avoid a Constitution Crisis.
The Radical Right cannot accept that the people have spoken–they can never win elections when the truth is heard–They are only good at shouting screaming and intimidating public officails to overule elcections and then getting their stooge Clarence Thomas to bring this case to the Supreme Court which this time did not invalidate the election.
Well, I think most of us know this won't be the end of it. There will always be ignorant idiots out there who will never accept Obama's presidency.
mehn, the audacity of whiners!
B HUSSEIN O IS OUR NEW PRESIDENT – now get used to it!!!!
I thought anyone born on US Soil domestic or abroad (ie panama canal before Carter or a US Base) was a citizen regardless of their parents citizenship. Is that not the case? Jews have dual citizen ship, does that mean a Jew born in the US cannot be president?
Hey cattlecar, how do you know that the birth certificate in Hawaii is stamped 'Kenya"? Have you seen it? Have you asked yourself WHY would a birth certificate on file in Hawaii or any other state for that matter be recorded as a birth from Kenya? The answer is: a birth certificate on file in ANY state is a birth that occurred in THAT state.
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Can we move on please?
If you are going to claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen because you claim (without evidence) that he was born in a foreign country, then you also have to say that McCain is not a natural born citizen, since it is fact that he was born in Panama!
This is so typical of this crowd.
None of us really know for sure, because we weren't there. If it were to turn out Obama lied about his citizenship (which seems unlikely), it would mean he defrauded us all and absolutely should not be eligible for the presidency. That is our law and always has been. Personally I think that would be a catastrophe for the nation, and this does seem like the typical right wing shenanigans, but I for one want the truth laid out nice and plain for all to see.
On the count of three...one...two...three.. Get over it already he is the next President.
Thank you now go get a life
maybe from somewhere in Africa...but American?
what is his heritage in slavery or civil rights suffering of the real African-Americans.....what ancestors does he have? None
he is just an arrogant politician that fooled you.....well done for him!
sad that dumb people are allowed to vote.....but that is the system we have!.....
Trivial fact: While Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 (a US state at the time), John McCain was born in Panama (not a US state). Does that make him unfit to serve as president? No – He is legally a citizen. So is Barack Obama. Those conspiracy theorists who say he has doctorerd birth certificate should go back to watching for black helicopters and shadow people.
Coincidentally, I know another president who was not a natural born citizen... His name was George Washington, and he was born a subject of the British crown.
Lets get past this nonsense and move forward. Barack Obama is the president of the US, and no amount of sour grapes will change that.
FOR ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINING ABOUT OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP, HOW ABOUT THEM PROVING THEIR CITEZINSHIP,
Glad the supreme court made the right decision. Donofrio and Berg should apologize to the courts for filing such garbage. Memo to those two....he won, get over it!!
cattlecar December 8th, 2008 12:03 pm ET
The Congress is responsible for the review of elligibility for the office of President. Votes are meaningless if the candidate does not meet the Constitutional requirements. Obama had his birth records in Hawaii sealed for a reason. The Birth Certificate on file there is stamped Kenya. The certificate of live birth is stamped Hawaii. Obama is not elegible for the office. His signature on a bill will be worth no more than mine.
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Please go post your nonsense on FOX NOISE. Hannity and O'Lielly are lonely without other looney tunes, low information readers like yourself. Grow up and just STFU while you're at it.
For all the whinos,,,John McCain doesn't have too much of a better argument than Obama. He was born in Panama!
Correction on my comment. I left out the word "didn't" in the sentence regarding weight, height, and color of eyes. His short form DIDN'T include his weight, height, and color of eyes. McCain provided his long for vault copy when requested to do so. Why doesn't Barack?
it is not over
this was about citizenship...
now comes the lawsuit about BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
and he can't produce one! JA, JA, JA.....
no matter what happens he is a full of s...fake
PLEASE!!! My kids are losing their jobs and my grandkids can't find jobs!!
Get over this nonsense and try to do the right thing for America not just those right wing, racist nuts!!!!!
Grow up, Obama was born in Hawaii at State in the United States to an American mother. Since I am not sure of Obama's exact birth date let us say it was prior to Hawaii becoming a state, well he would still be a native born citizen, because Hawaii was a terroritory of the United States and his mother was still a US citizen. McCain was born in Panama, and has a certificate of birth abroad, rather than a per say birth certificate saying he was born in a State, and he is still a US citizen. The Neo-conservative Supreme Court made the right decision.
Isn't Hawaii a state, unlike Alaska where its current Governor wanted to secceed & McCaib was born in the Pamama Cannel Zone - I think we made the best choice.
We want this crisis the Bush Admin created to finally end.
Cattlecar: It does not matter if P.E. Obama's birth certificate were stamped Mars. His mother was a United States citizen and her off spring, no matter where born, are U.S. citizens as well.
I have to wonder what the Libs have on the SCOTUS. If things had been reversed and there were questions about a Republican president-elect, the media would be screaming cover-up from the highest trees in the land.
But, since it's the Messiah – it's all well and good.
I want to see a BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Not a Certificate of Live Birth – there IS a difference.
Cattlecar is Phil Berg in troll disguise, who believes Obama's COLB verified and authenticated by the Hawaii Dept of Health and the US State Department as well as the birth announcement published in the Honolulu Advertiser in August '61 are all fake! Geez, racism clouds common sense.
This just shows the extent to which the right wing paranoid lunatic fringe will go. Hey pal, why don't we just impeach Bush right now and let Obama's administration begin. Why? Bush has been/ is so out of touch he must be an illegal alien...FROM ANOTHER PLANET !
You foolish republicans. Havent you guys learned yet. Theres nothing you can throw at the democrats this year, especially President-elect Obama.
cattlecar:
And of course you know this because you have personally seen said document. Whatever! Stop believing right-ist lies and then spouting them off as facts, please.
THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
SIMPLE QUESTION: If Obama was born in Hawaii then why does he or anyone who supports him have a problem with his full-length vault birth certificate being shown?
ANSWER: ???
At least the court realized that this would be a waste of time. If they had allowed the case to go foward, than McCain's citizenship could come into question as well. Some people just can't move past their hatred of another individual.
Also, there are those who say that they wouldn't want this job of cleaning up after Bush's mess, but God gives each and everyone of us talents and gifts in different areas to do the right thing. We need to pray for Obama that God will give him the faith and strength to do what is right.
Almost the end of THE error! – I do agree that this topic seems to be of little importance. However, we have both decided to read this article, making it a least interesting. And I also agree that Hawaii is a state, but Obamas mother was not in the U.S. for long enough for her child to be a citizen, she was 16, she needed to be 18 at the time of his birth. Making Obama NOT a U.S. citizen. But does this really matter?
No one is going to overturn this election because the world has already welcomed Obama with opened arms.
The hype is up and everyone's positive about him.
Later if it should come out that he was not born in Hawaii but Kenya it's going to change everything and the US constitution will fall like a house of cards.
Everyone will be saying well it worked for Obama any foreigner can be president or YOU made an exception for him! Why not Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Someone from the federal government should check this out then check again. I want Obama as our next president but not at the expense of our constitution. Oh wait, we already have a current president at the expense of our constitution.
Barney
Cattlecar is actually Sarah Palin writing in – can't you tell by the flawed logic?
C'mon. Obama was born during the 1960's. Why an US white woman would go to Kenya to deliver a baby? Can you imagine the third world hygene at that time? If anything goes wrong, she would die there. Also Barack Sr was a poor student on scholarship from a poor country (Kenya). Where did he get the money to fly his wife and himself? Mind you she cannot speak Kenyan language. She would need him to go with him. Remember it's 1960's. The air trip was not that common and very expensive. There was really no need to go to Kenya to deliver a baby. Kenyan birth certificate is given by blood (just like British and Japanese) of parents not by land of birth. Obama could have had a dual citizenship when he was born. That's not a big deal. It will expire at age 18 unless he refuses US citizenship.
Even the Republican political hacks who form the current majority of the Supreme Court dare not overturn another presidential election, tempted though they might be.
Can anyone say "frivolous lawsuit"?
Are tin foil hats back in fashion? How can these conspiracy theorist wackos be satisfied, without a heavenly choir of angels with Ronald Reagan's ghost in the lead proclaiming "Obama was born in the United States, sayeth the Lord."
Failing that, some reputable material on this all-too-silly subject can be found at factcheck.org
To Frank, it's sad that idiot's like you are allowed to blog!!!
The post by "Jean" is wrong. I suggest that you go look at what the Hawaii laws were back in 1961 before making a false comment, which you state as a fact. At that time, anyone could get a Certification of Live Birth in Hawaii regardless of where they were born. Yes, that's very strange, but that's what the law was. Just keep in mind that a Certification of Live Birth (that's what Obama has shown) is absolutely not the same thing as the full-length vault birth certificate, which is what a LOT of people want to be shown.
Total waste of our Justices' time and energy, nevermind tax-payer money!
John McCain was born in 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama. However, at that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control. So I guess they both could be questioned...but not really. Come on people! They were/are US Senators and have lived in the US many years. Stop being stupid!
One more comment here for those who thinks that Obama's mother or anyone else thought about going to the third world to deliver baby.
My girl friend lived with a guy in Guatemala around 1980's and had a baby there. The baby got Meningitis from the improperly cleaned emberical chord. Even if Obma's grandparens were millionaries(they were not), I don't think they would have sent here daughter there. What for? Deliver a baby. Soooo insane.
Take off the tin foil hats!
If Obama was not a citizen, then Moose-for-brains would have beat that dog to death a long time ago.
Amazing.... The bigots will stop at nothing. This is one of the reasons why other Nations have not respected America. B/c to them America was masquerading around as a place of liberty and freedom but this liberty and freedom could only be truly realized if you looked like the majority in England. Now, they see they quite possibly, America has come far enough to recognize it's own promises, now we have the cancerous bigots in American Society trying to again show the world that America is not what it says it should be.
Well it's nice to see that the Supreme Court once again has been involved with legitimizing the president.
What is so obvious is the only question around citizenship would be McCains. We know for a fact that he was not born in the U.S. You can call him Kenyan if you want to but come 1/20/08 just call him POTUS!!!!! If you don't know then you had better ask somebody!!!
Actions & commets on behalf of ruoge republicans is exactly the reason McCain lost. As an African American, I feel like they are against everythiing about us or for us. WE only want the same shake out of life and Barack won fair & square but now this. Let's start calling it it what it is – Racism. Provide proof that his brith records shows Kenya, if you can't simple,,,,,,,,,,,, racism.
"Veteran in Kansas"
Obama was born 4 years after Hawaii became a state..
"The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, making it the 50th state."
Legal documentation in the form of Obama's BIRTH CERTIFICATE was already examined and deemed official by several sources.
At least Obama HAS documentation...unlike Dubya's National Guard documention that conveniently disappeared in an untimely manner.
I'm with the rest of the people on this ticker... "Obama would have never even gotten in sniffing distance of the presidency if he was not a citizen. Please find something else worthy of a complaint to talk about."
Like all the damage Dubya is trying to do to our nation before leaving office....
Instead of the man wasting time and resources questioning Obama's citizenship; why doesn't he make an appeal to the supreme court to changes the status of the 'citizen babies' born to illegal aliens in this country. Just imagine in another 15-20 years most of these children will be adults who will be able to vote, run for public office, and have every right that U.S citizens have. Beleive me that is a bigger threat than Obama's father being Kenyan and Obama having dual citizenship.
Let's stop the nitpicking. He IS a US Citizen. He IS a native-born American. "Native-born American" is the key phrase here as it applies to elegibility for the office of POTUS. And oh what a can of worms it would open up if the SCOTUS allowed debate on this issue. How many other people would start flooding the courts with nonsense about "native-born" status.
Regardless of where President elect Obama was born his mother was a natural born US citizen so....
" Title 8 of the U.S. Code . Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
show me the birth certificate, show it to me!
signed by an MD in Hawaii....
you won't see it!
of course McCain has a birth certificate...not a certificate of birth!
you are so desperate to have this mediocre, clown take office...that you will say anything
but what do you care Hillary is in charge!
Are people really that stupid that they think Obama isn't a citizen? What morons...
Slow news day?
WITH THE ECONOMY GOING "SOLO" THAT DIMWIT NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH HIS LIFE. GET A JOB OR SOMETHING AND MAKE THE BETTER USE OF UR TIME!! F.Y.I. HAWAII IS PART OF THE UNION
Wow....I cannot believe how so many of you don't give a rats #$% about the truth in this issue. You're so enamored with the idea of Obama being President that his constitutional legitimacy to be such doesn't even register on your little minds.
The question is quite simple – When will Obama provide legitimate proof that he was born in the US. To date, he has NOT. That's not even in dispute by those who are even half way knowledgeable about the facts in this case. SCOTUS didn't have the testicular fortitude to confront the issue so they wimped out.
If Obama truly was born in HI as he claims, why on earth can't or won't he simply produce proof of such? It seems like such an easy thing to do and it would put to rest all of these claims that he wasn't born here. Instead of providing the proof that ought to be easily obtainable, he has gone in the opposite direction by sealing all of this records at the University of Chicago and Harvard. Huh? Seems a bit odd for the guy promoting "transparency".
You people ought to care about whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be the President. If he is, good for him. If he isn't, doesn't that bother you in the slightest degree that the POTUS can so easily disregard the Constitution?
A DEMOCRAT started all of this - NOT a Republican. The first lawsuit filed about Obama's "naturan born citizenship" was by Mr. Berg - a lifelong Democrat for over 30 years and a paid member of the NAACP. So, it's neither Republicans nor racists who started this, but a DEMOCRAT! If only more people would learn the facts before talking and/or typing........
Why aren't these people working on something more important like proving 9/11 was an inside job?
If pro-lifers believe that a baby is created at conception, then shouldnt the question be where Obama was concieved and not where he was born? LOL
Yes, God bless the US of A, our democracy allows us to question everything and everyone in addition to all situations, and this happens to be one of them that is open to discussion.
Long live our constitution.
What a terrible waste of time when there are so many pressing problems in your country. Obviously President Elect Obama was vetted extensively during his bids for the Senate, during the primaries and the election. I have heard several prominent, clever lawyers state on television that this is ridiculous because he was born in an American state, Hawaii, to an American citizen his mother. Whoever these people are who keep bringing this up must have ulterior motives and really need to set better priorities considering what is going on economically right now. I wonder if they are able to get or retain their jobs and if their financial status improves at all because of President Obama's policies, will they reject these benefits. I doubt it. If this man who is constantly bringing this ridiculous issue up is a lawyer, then I would question his reliability, credibility and motives before ever hiring him. He needs to move on and use his skills positively to help his country..
Laws do not apply to Democrat politicians.
These idiots who just can't accept the fact that a bi-racial man or a Democrat won the Presidency should go get some therapy-or MOVE to a more biggoted environment.
I find it hard to believe that anyone with any intelligence would persue such garbage.
A lady at my church yesterday was saying how this is a very important thing- because "we just can't have baby-killers in the White House".
No wonder we voted overwhelmingly for CHANGE!
Januray 20th can't come soon enough!
Sean December 8th, 2008 12:32 pm ET
"If you are going to claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen because you claim (without evidence) that he was born in a foreign country, then you also have to say that McCain is not a natural born citizen, since it is fact that he was born in Panama!
This is so typical of this crowd."
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McCain was born on a US Naval installation, that is considered soverign US property so that argument is invalid. I do agree however that the whole citizenship thing with Obama is done.
If McCain had won, we would be questioning his citizenship status...
...if his citizenship status was in question.
I'm torn with this issue. For the last 8 years all we have heard is the Democrats screeching about no transparency and the erosion of civil rights. Now we have a president-elect that was secretive and evasive throughout the campaign and continues with that practice today. We all must remember that Hawaii played fast and loose with the birth certificates for a short period after gaining statehood. If there is nothing to hide, what is the harm in letting SCOTUS take a peek at the BC? I think it would calm a lot of people down.
The courts that are deciding that the people do not have a standing to challenge our candidates is, quite frankly, very concerning. It only takes a quick read to determine that the government is not supposed to usurp the authority of the people. The people lend their authority to government. These courts have slammed the door of freedom in the faces of the people. I fear where this kind of abuse of power will lead.
good lord people–does anyone think for a second that if hcr or mccain or rove or anyone else that has had 2 yrs or better to look hasnt found anything–get over it -and further lets send the bill to this jerk for all the taxpayers monies he's wasted not to mention the court's time-there are many other legitimate things to worry about!!! stop drinking the kool aid!!!
I can't believe there are some illiterates in a developed country like America. If Kenya was a British colony, that does not make Kenyans British citizens. They could go to Britain at that time but not as Citizens.
Ghana was a British colony back in the days and that did not make us British citizens though we could go to Britain without Visa. The moment he is born on American soil by an American citizen, he is automatically an American.
This is just IGNORANCE
"Re: Jews have dual citizen ship, does that mean a Jew born in the US cannot be president?"
Actually, we don't have dual citizenship. We're American.
first I was shocked that this question was even created since the constitutional committee had to vet the candidate in the first place. Which courts in the US of A is going to dare to touch this? Which court will want to even bring forth a case to question this after millions of Americans have voted for BO? @ cattlecar – congress does NOT review the eligibility of the POTUS. Review your facts before you post nonsense. To all who question his citizenship: admitting you have a problem is the first step in drug addiction. I'll pray for you.
Erik from Real PA @ 12:47 "Are tin foil hats back in fashion? "
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They've been back in style ever since 2000, when wackos insisted Bush stole the election. They gained in popularity when kooks were convinced Bush planned the 9-11 attacks. Then they became commonplace when fools accused Bush (who they otherwise think is a complete idiot) of orchastrating another stolen election.
All I have to say is that 'CRAZY IN AMERICA' Leo Donofriobu is the crazy one.
meant presidential committee not constitutional committee
Enough!!! I love how all of you *know* that Obama was born in Hawaii? Really? How do you purport to know this? To data Obama hasn't provided a birth certificate from HI. All he has provided is a certifcation of live birth, which anyone can request. It is NOT a document generated/initiated by the hospital like a birth certificate is.
Now...do I *know* he was born in Kenya? Nope, I don't, but at least I'm willing to admit it. I just wish the question could be settled once and for all. I wish the SCOTUS wouldn't puss out on us and not even examine the question which is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. If he was indeed born in Hawaii, then he ought to bring forth the proof before a court of law. It seems very simple to me.
Cattlecar, I think you should blame Bigfoot. He is hiding the "real" birth certificate in the lost offices of ACORN in the Washington State wilderness. UFOs took it there once it looked like B. Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee. And get it right, it is not Kenya, it is Krypton.
Is anyone suprised? What's more absurd is that that this ridiculous accusation even made it to the supreme court?
Well, at least the phrase ABB'er (which used to mean anybody but Bush) can be reused...
Nutjobs.
I think it is time for this whole birth certificate crap to be dropped. The conspiracy theorists will always think that President Elect Obama is not eligible because that is what their delusions want. Somehow, I can't see the FBI, the House and the Senate, plus the Supreme Court in collusion to put an ineligible President in the White House.
The other candidate, Senator John McCain was ACTUALLY born in a foreign country, i.e. Panama, so with the reasoning of these idiots, that would mean that he was not eligible, either. A natural born citizen is defined in this country two ways: born on U.S. soil (and this includes US territories such as Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Guam), or born of a U.S. citizen. So even should Obama have been born in Kenya (which he was NOT), being born of a U.S. citizen makes him eligible for dual-citizenship. Since he was born in Hawaii, when it was already a state in the U.S., AND of a U.S. citizen, he is a citzen two ways.
By the way, several Presidents and candidates have faced this same issue, according to Wikipedia, including Chester Arthur (21st President), George Romney, plus several others. There are a number of Constitutional amendments that have been considered in Congress for years to clarify these issues, and also to loosen them to allow naturalized citizens (such as Governor Arnie) to run.
Republicans get their facts from viral e-mails. They have no idea how to think for themselves, so other people, like Limbaugh, have to "splain" it to them.
All I'll do is "LOL" ...
This is one of the reason that there will never been a white President running this country becasue they think they are the only ones for the job. They will say or do anything to take the President from Obama becasue they knew this will open the door for many more minority to run for the President of the USA. I will support they as well. I have supported voted for a white man for over 20 years and it is time for other races to run the white house. This is USA not the USA for white people only!
Hawaii became a state in 1959, Mr. Barack Obama, President Elect who’s soon to be sworn in office on January 20th was born August 4 1961. He was born as a US citizen from the looks of it. I just think people are digging in the crates to try to find something they could use to overthrow his whole race to presidency. Just accept the fact that Barack Obama is the man for the job and get over it. This man is about to bring great CHANGE for many. Just do your part as a citizen and sit back and watch. Thanks
Their candidate didn't win so it's, "No fair!" When will these crybabies grow up? You could make similar arguments about John McCain, but if he had become the president-elect I'm sure Mr. Donofrio would have kept his lip buttoned.
Norom; The stupidity I referred to was the lawsuit, not your wise, if understated comment.
@frank December 8th, 2008 12:55 pm ET
Bitter much?
I actually have no comment to this article but I did catch someone's comment below, KG twin cities saying that we need to focus or put more effort in investigating 9/11 because it was a "inside job". KG what conspiracy crack house movie have you been watching. I questioned peoples intelligence on here but this is the most off the wall ignorant comment yet. Not to mention a smack in the face to our country and the lives that were lost that day.
I do agree with some in that there are more important issues to read or report about, but we all decided that it was interesting enough to read and write about. More Importantly, the topic at hand. Obama's mother needed to be 21 years old at the time of his birth for him to be a citizen. She needed five years here she was 16 when she came here, 16+5=21 Thus, making him NOT a U.S. citizen. But should that strip him of his title of President? Do really have to be " a natural born citizen", or should your accomplishments mean more?
TO FRANK aka mediocre clown:
You people are ridiculous! The minute Obama announced his run for the presidency you can bet that every intelligence agency was digging into his background. If he was not a citizen, we would know it by now!
How about taking the GOP to court for sending the country on a wild goose chase about the qualifications for becoming VP .....hint (Sarah Palin)!
Do you not find it odd that a birth certificate cannot be produced. WHY NOT??
Frank.. think for a second... When did this white woman from Kansas travel all the way to Kenya.. (which is pretty expensive and I am sure her father didn't fund the trip b/c he probably disagreeded with their relationship) 9 months pregnant to deliver a baby? Or was she with her mother and father in hawaii when the baby was conceived? Use your head and not the photo copied image of a authentic birth certificate. And for all intensive purposes, their are also rumors that McCain was actually not born in the United States. While we are at it, let's question his citizenship as well.
The Keepers of the Constitution (SCOTUS) have basically said, we have no need, of analyzing if Obama has a legitimate COLB.
They seem to decree, the Obama-nation have selected Obama, these people have filthy rich old men , who desire to bring America to her knees and then destroying her.
And you Citizens of United States of America, shall have no guardians; and even when you cry out and gnaw away with your teeth, you will have no allayer.
Know thee well America; the end is near when the last bastion (SOCTUS) of a nation has been destroyed.
Heaven help the rest of the world!
PEBO needs to produce his birth certificate. Why seal legitimate birth records?
To all of you dems that are saying this is not a big deal and we shouldn't bother with it. I personally take Obama at his word that he was born in Hawaii but, hey, just produce the birth certificate and be done with it. What is he hiding? And if he wasn't born in the U.S. then we have that pesky little document called the Constitution that expressly states that he cannot be the President. Produce the certificate and put an end to all of this.
These lawsuits are so ridiculous...just right wing desperation. Think about it...all of the federal, state, and private organizations that would have to have been involved in a cover-up from the day Obama was born until today. Why would this have been done? Did someone have a crystal ball that told them when he was born that Obama would be a viable candidate for POTUS and start covering up then??? The sad part is that otherwise well educated people actually believe this crap...one of the docs I work for circulated a video about these suits during the election. I'm actually surprised to see this in mainstream news, but glad if it can be debunked for good!
While reasonable and results-oriented politicians and citizens on both sides will work to put this country back in order, folks on the extreme right will only continue to drone on and on about how much they hate Obama and continuing with the childish variations of his name, ignorant suggestions of lack of citizenship, socialist, terrorist, Bill Ayers and the usual lies.
Hey Frank,
You have a real problem.
cattlecar and frank:
You guys need serious help. It's either you read but cannot comprehend or you just dumb and dumber. Have you taken your meds, lately?
Obama will be the Prisident of the USA come hell or high water, so get over it
This Leo Dumbofrio guy needs to be sent to Iraq immediately.
How is it that dumb fools like Leo Dumbofrio get to stay home while our soldiers risk their lives for him? I say send him to Iraq or arrest him immediately for his dumbness!!!
"Once you vote black" wrote: Jews have dual citizenship.
Really? I'm Jewish and I'm Canadian born. I am only a citizen of Canada. Where did you ever hear that religion dictates citizenship?
This whole case regarding President-Elect Obama's citizenship was bogus. It was an attempt by the pitbulls who can't let go of their loss to overturn a decisive victory. It never should have GONE to the Supreme Court but the justices did the right thing.
Get on with it, people – this is another smear tactic even after the fact. The barn door's closed, y'all!
Watch for the Berg case to come up. That is the one that challenges his place of birth and subsequent move to Indonesia, which required his mother to renounce their citizenship. And if the fed court justice hadn't hid behind "standing" then he could have settled this before the election. If Berg, a Democrat, challenged his own party's processes that allowed an unqualified candidate to run for president, how can he not have standing?
I don't want to see Obama removed now that we had the election, but it is too bad Soros and company were allowed to manipulate our system this way.
Who would dare claim the election was illegitimate?
Of a Democrat, that is.
Donofrio's suit had better logic than most, and totally legal grounds.
Berg is a Hillary supporter and a Democrat and a dues paying member of NAACP. I don't know how that makes him "right wing" since Hillary singled out the "vast right wing conspiracy" being the source of all the "lies" about Bill and Monica. Let's get our stories straight?
Martha for the last time, shut off FoxNoise. There has been a birth certificate produced. You are obviously not aware of this but there is a process prospective candidates must go through in order to enter into the general election for the position of President of the United States. Wake up sweetie your not in Bush's bubble anymore!
Give us a break!! Is this all you can find on this guy??? And all of you "pretenders to even basic intelligence" – you don't even know where YOU were born!!! No one knows!!! We can't know!!! Someone has to tell us!!! You are newborn! You are not cognizant of where you are/who you are/etc., etc.
So – if you're my age (47) and you have no video or pictures, how do we know that YOU are a U.S. citizen?? Just because a piece of paper that anyone could type up says so! Maybe YOU are an illegal alien!!
Good job, Supreme Court! This whole situation is just plain stupid and there are much more important matters to worry about, such as THE ECONOMY!!!
Donofrio must not have been a very good lawyer. Citizenship qualifications are taught in most high schools and most people know if you are born here you are a citizen even if someone else recognizes you as a citizen of their country and most know that youare a citizen if you have one parent who is a citizen. If you follow Donofrio all the Presidents before Van Buren did not qualify because they British citizens upon birth since there was no USA. Would that make all the laws prior to him unconstitutional since those laws would have been signed by an unqualified President.
@ Frank
You sound like a fool !
I didn't know our economic troubles and recession hit the law industry as well.... that this lawyer does not only have no cases or clients, but he does have a life either.... go get married, produce children and accupy yourself with them..... lol..
Oh! Shut Up! Get over it and get a life. Whether you like it or not Obama is our President. You think Obama would be crazy enough to run for President had he not been born in the US. His record has been thoroughly investigated by the Clintons and the Republican Party.
cattlecar
Obama had his birth records in Hawaii sealed for a reason.
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Um, no Hawaii seals all of their birth records.
Sectiion One of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:
" All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "
Which means that ANY person born in the United States is a citizen of the United States, no matter what the nationality or immigration status of that person's parents.
Given that Hawaii became a state in August 1959, it would seem that if Mr Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, then he is a native-born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution.
If these individuals who believe that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya have any evidence that supports that belief, let them produce it.
The law is plain in this case:
"In many/most cases, a child born outside the US to a US citizen or citizens is a US citizen by birth and, in the opinions of most legal scholars, qualifies as a "natural born" citizen eligible to become President or Vice-President. A child born abroad under these circumstances is a US citizen by birth (in addition to possibly being a citizen of the country of birth). The "consular report of birth abroad" is not a bestowal of US citizenship, but simply an acknowledgment of same."
In other words, enven if Obama was born outside of the United States, he is still a natural born citizen by virture of his natral mother, who was a US citizen at the time of his birth. This is why the Supreme Court dismissed this case wihout comment.
...the devil's playground. Now that's exactly what a retired lawyer in New Jersey will do. Flex brain cells on leap-frogging-common sense.
At least we can say this one is still useful; only he should use his left-over skills serving food to the homeless rather than mess with or struggle to distinguish the smell his own feaces from that of the previous occupant of the lavertory.
Those 2 nuts are just that. Anyone who tries to prove the President Elect was not born in America and has a forged birth certificate, or certificate of birth, is just plain crazy.
Like a previous poster said, read the facts on this subject at factcheck.org.
And another note to these crackpots – I suppose the birth announcement in the local paper, printed a few days after his BIRTH, is also a forgery? Riiiiiight. The conspiracy started back then! They began their plotting when Obama was an infant, and planted the false information in the birth announcement page of the local paper just days after his birth!
Give me a break! Let's hope this waste of time and money is finally at an end.
Frank, Frank Frank!
Obama is the best of African Americans. African so he has not tie to US Slavery and therefore no grudge, and American with white blood so he has the best blood we have to offer. Why must a blackman have to have been a slave in order to be considered a real African American?
These people are NUTS! Get over it! Can anyone say "SORE LOSER???"
Martha, no one in the past 20 years has an original birth certificate, all states issue "abstracts" as documents for vital statistics. Original BC's and DC's are only available to the named parties on said certificate, or relatives and only with affidavits and notary sig.
Write to the Vital Records Division in the state you were born in and see what they send you!
1. This lawsuit was filed months ago in the federal circuit court; it has only now reached the Supreme Court. This is not a "post-election crybaby" issue.
2. Obama has produced a computer-generated certification of birth without an official seal. This document is not a certified copy, and thus is not a valid form of identification.
3. Citizens who care about the rule of law are entitled to ask for a presidential candidate's qualifications. When that campaign repeatedly refuses to satisfy these requests, a genuine question as to what they are hiding arises.
4. There is circumstantial evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. There are also eyewitness affidavits at the plaintiff's disposal.
5. Obama's political ideology, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this lawsuit. The Constitution requires that the President be a natural-born citizen. If this is not the case, then a violation of the law has occurred and someone must answer for it.
Don't you people remember,he admitted he was from Krypton.Surely
enough time has been spent on this non-item.
Unbelievable. So desperate. That's the problem with conspiracists, no matter how much evidence is presented, they just cannot accept the truth. If it does not fit into their view, it is just discarded or they create a reason to discredit it. They never accommodate the new information into their own views and evolve. I guess tinfoil hats will always be popular to some.
Lizza perhaps I am wrong gut a Jew I went to High School once bragged that because he is US and Jewish he had dual citizenship. I know that Ghana has granted dual citerzenship to any African American who wants it. Perhaps I am wrong, but perhaps you are and don't know it. Might be worth looking into it. They may grant it by you have to apply for it, or this kid might have been wrong.
You people are so naive. I know the real story that is being covered up by the press, the DNC and Trilateral Commission. Obama's British roots come from the fact he is the result of a one-night stand between his Kenyan father and Margaret Thatcher (why do you think she always wore big coats). After BO was born, he was shipped over to Hawaii (afterall except for Don Ho, nothing of prominence has ever come out of there) and placed with a woman from Kansas (Kansas).
Think about it, anyone that would have knowledge is gone (dad, mom, grandparents, doctor). I would write more, but I need to step out of my bunker for a minute to go check out the black helicopters.
"The truth is out there."
This has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Does anyone truly believe that he would have gotten this far with out having his records checked properly. You right wing wacko's need to get a life.
This guy must be related to the lawyer who was suing for over $3 million for his pants that were supposedly ruined at the cleaners!
And they wonder why the legal profession has such a bad reputation?!
To Martha and Frank,
Obama's Birth Certificate has been produced MANY times to many different people, news organizations and others. It has even been posted to the internet.
The sad fact is people like yourself would claim the Constitution of the United States is a fake because you couldn't hold the actual document in your hands.
In otherwords nothing will convince you. Not even proven facts. I honestly feel sad for people like this.
Just because a few people like to wear tinfoil hats and disseminate conspiracy theories on extremist websites, that does not make their fantasies a reality. Show some real evidence, you might get a hearing on the merits of that evidence and the legal question it may point to. Until then Berg, Donofrio and the others cannot meet the burden of proof to survive a motion to dismiss, let alone a case. The Supreme Court was 100% correct in their pro forma rejection of a stay.
No one, absolutely no one, on the planet earth should be given special treatment. He is no "god." Sooner or later the truth, and the whole truth, will come out. Just sit back and relax! Nothing, absolutely nothing, will escape God's judgment and wrath. History is our witness. They all are human, what do we expect bettter?
The Republicans are desperate...yet again
@frank December 8th, 2008 12:33 pm ET
"....sad that dumb people are allowed to vote…..but that is the system we have!….."
Same could be said about the idiots like you who post on these threads. Grow up, educate yourself!!
You can see from the Democrats responses you are not allowed to question anything about Hussein. The chosen one. The messiah. He was brought to us by the same people who brought us Charlie Rangel, William Jefferson, Kwame Kilpatrick, and has been annointed by the media to lead us in to the 2nd Carter Administration.
The common sense answer to this problem is for President Elect Obama to just produce a original \ signed by a doctor or hospital staff Certificate of Live Birth.
Obama has been elected legitimately and overwhelmingly. He smeared McCain and Palin all over the map on 11/04/08. You're a moron if you really believe he's not a native born American. And by the way, John McCain ws born in Panama. Obama will be the next President. If you don't like it, get out of the United States!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! And the jerkwads who brought the ridiculous suit in the first place thought they could rely on their neocon brethren Roberts and Alito to pull it into the Sup. Ct. and make an insane decision. Can't wait to watch the same nonsense take place regarding Clinton and the Emoluments Clause. Give it up you swine!!!
Even IF everything that had been alledged by the plaintiff were correct, the children of Americans born abroad are still considered to be naturally born, so there is no possibility of a case. Given that Fact Check has already seen the birth certificate, all such efforts to prove otherwise are an attempt to justify right wing whacko fundraising, nothing more.
I have honestly never seen such a large number of people in this country spreading ridiculous lies and rumors as I have since Barack Obama started running for president.
What in the world is wrong with people? There are comments on this post, now, on 12/8/08, saying that he still hasn't shown his birth certificate. HE HAS. Months ago! Where have you been? Why do you still believe this? People still say that he is "secretly" Muslim, and a couple of weeks ago my own mother repeated that lie that he wouldn't have gotten security clearance if he'd tried to get into the military. This is unbelievable.
Why are so many Americans willing to believe without question any negative or bad rumor they hear about Barack Obama? Use logic and reason, people. You're making yourselves look like idiots.
Hey "Once You Vote Black"- Where did you EVER get the notion that Jews have dual citizenship???? I have one citizenship, and that is American. I work in a Jewish agency and NO ONE here has dual citizenship. If you want an Israeli c-ship, you have to go apply and do all the work that's required. They don't just hand it to you.
Go Supreme Court! If this argument had a scintilla of merit, doesn't everyone figure the GOP would have been on it from the start? Wouldn't the Dems, in the year where the election was theirs to lose, have checked on this. Just sorry to hear that the courts are being tied up by such ridiculous issues.
Let's face it folks, idiots have a right to file a claim. That's what this country is all about. I know he wants what he wants and he's throwing a temper tantrum because he can't have "his choice", but he has a right to file.
I voted for Barack, I was happy when Barack won, and I will be at the inauguration in the cold, cheering him on. This a a great country and the election of Barack Hussein Obama, just made it greater.
God bless America and God bless BHO.
I haven't followed the arguments of either side, but I keep wondering, why doesn't Obama just release all the documents? I read that Obama has spent a half million dollars in legal fees. Why doesn't he save all that money and just sign releases for his birth records and medical records? Anyone have a good answer?
This is not going to go away until it's resolved. Let's say
he is sworn in, and later vetoes a bill. Some party who suffered irreparable harm from the veto WILL sue. Count on it.
Don't people have anything better to do in this world than filing frivolous lawsuits. This one would be funny if it was not so pathetic.
Hopefully the nuts will leave this alone. This is really disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves but they're not. Still can't stand that a Black man is president, despite the fact that he may be one of the best things to happen to this country in a very very long time. He is already making brilliant decisions regarding his cabinet and his willingness to open up the government making it more transparent like no one has ever done before and yet they still pounce. I don't know what God you people worship but you can have him.
I have never understood this argument made by the radical right. Any Boy Scout who has taken Citizenship in the World knows there are 3 ways to be a citizen. By blood, by soil and by naturalization. In other words, you are either born to American parent(s), you are born in the US or you immigrate and go through the process to become a citizen. Since no one has questioned his mother's citizenship, that makes him a natural born citizen – whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya. My goodness, McCain was not born in the US; he was born in Panama. You didn't hear them questioning his citizenship.
Did this same man protest McCain's candidacy since he wasn't even born in the US?
Typical Republican hypocrite.
To "the smart guy" – just as Obama was born to a US citizen in a US state and is for all intents and purposes (not "intensive purposes") a US citizen. John McCain was born to 2 US citizens in the then US territory of Panama and is for all intents and purposes (not "intensive purposes") . Can we all now send a vote of thanks to the US sumpreme court for their enlightened opinion (or lack there of) and finally put this non-sense to rest? Thank you SCOTUS!!!
Since when is the Supreme Court referred to as SCOTUS??????
Thank God, now let's move on, shall we?
One...two...three....INAUGURATION OF BARACK OBAMA!
Can't wait, don't hesitate...he's great.
This will go on forever now-I just had hoped that a birth certificate proving his citizens ship could have been produced.
I'm glad the Supreme Court dismissed that. Now maybe all of the conspiracy theorists and ignorant people who believe every fowarded email and Youtube and those rediculous websites will all be at ease now. Yeah, right. I can't wait to see what else these people come up with to try to halt the POTUS elect's agenda. Not.
I'm sure they'll take it to a higher court.
Oh wait they did and they failed. Haha.
I'm sure this won't keep lunatics on the far right from whining for 8 years about how Obama really isn't an American. Nothing can stop that.
Good to see the right wing SCOTUS did not take the opportunity to overturn the election. Just wish the radical left had stopped denying what SCOTUS let stand in 2000. Maybe SCOTUS really is non-partisan.
When will the GOP nutcases get over losing? If they don't like it there are plenty of other countries they can move to!
Amazing how many people are falling for the internet rumors that President-elect Obama is not actually an American citizen. Its rather sad.
Theirs nothing more important than having our first ILLEGAL President. All he has to do is show the birth certificate. If he don't, it must be that that the evidence he was born in Kenya is true. Till then, he not my president.
Thank SCOTUS for giving this attention it deserved. None. Our President Elect is Barack Hussein Obama. Donofrio and kind, can get on board with that or they can continue to conduct themselves in this child like manner...he's not a citizen, he's a socialist, he's a black man and they can't lead, yada yada yada. I am in full support of our PE and for those of you continue this "crap" you should be ashamed.
Ah well, hopefully Obama's plans for the health care system include special attention for those with special needs, because the GOP certainly seems to need it.
Why are there still people begging to "show them this birth certificate"? You can google it and pull it up on MANY websites all over the internet. Its been talked about so much that we now have 1000's of copies of this birth certificate all over the web.
So you fools that are trying to make the point that our new president is not a citizen because of the LACK of this document.... please find another arguement.
ITS ALL OVER THE PLACE!!! Just look it up....
If Barack wasn't born in the U.S., and wasn't allowed to run, this would've been resolved from the start, and the CIA would've revealed otherwise at that time.
Those questioning his citizenship are angry right-wing conservatives who still can't accept the fact that the republican pary lost. Get over it, Ha!
Obama/Biden
This is for Lissa,
What is meant by Jews having dual citizenship is that, technically speaking, if we, as American-born Jews, were to make Aliyah (move to Israel and work it out with the Israeli government), we would automatically be granted Israeli citizenship while still being able to keep our American citizenship. That said, I'm not sure about Canadian-born Jews.
Hope that clears that question up.
Just as it was when Clinton was in office it will be one thing after another with those on the right. Stir, stir, stir. Absolutely no concern for anything except power for them.
You conspiracy nuts have been wearing your tin foil hats for way too long
SCOTUS? That sounds kinda gross, like its a new dirty slang word..
I'm glad they shot this stupid lawsuit down, though.
It is a Certificate of Live Birth. He has one. You've seen it. He is a citizen. You lost the election. Get over it.
John Mcain was actually born in Panama at a Naval Base where his Admiral father worked. The motion to accept his Presidential candidate was moved in Congress by Barack Obama who was Born in Hawaii. Obama is a US Citizen by Birth unlike John Mcain. I am Kenya by birth with two great sons. My 12 yrs was born in Kenya. My 10yrs was born right here at Dallas. Maybe he will be a president and his brother State Governor.
Incidentally, Hawaii became a state in 1959, well before Barack Obama's birth.
Hawaii's status doesn't really matter, anyway. If you're born anywhere in the world as the child of a US citizen, you are a US citizen by birthright.
QED.
It's bad enough to watch the nut cases from both the right and left ninny at each other on this blog. Now we have a genuine certifiable tying up the resources of the US government to officially declare that he is, in fact, an idiot. The SCOTUS should have punitively fined this guy into poverty and used the proceeds to help a few folks out of foreclosure. The handful of Republicans who still have functional brains and who care about the party have enough work ahead of them, without the lovely PR generated by this Christmas fruitcake.
FAIL. Can we please let this ridiculousness go now?
why would anyone question the argumant of a lunatic?
The book "Dreams From My Father" was written by Barack Obama long before he dreamed of running for presidency. There he talks about his relationship with his grandparents and thier relationship with his Father (their son-in-law) in Hawaii, prior to his birth. Barack comments often throughout the book that he had never been to Kenya and then takes the reader with him the first time he touches the grandest continent in the world – in the 1980's. Those of you who are full of hate and fear should pick up a book and read. Education does wonders.
Cattlecar: You're an idiot.
Were You There: It's easy to pretend you're just being reasonably skeptical. What evidence wil you accept? Would you have to go to Hawaii and see it personally? Do you apply these standards to everything? Do you apply them to all politicians, or just the black ones with funny names? Have you demanded to see the birth certificate for John McCain?
Martha: The birth certificate has been produced. I've seen the pictures of it. Go to the snopes website and knock yourself out.
Frank: Fortunately under Obama's health plan you should be able to get the psychiatric treatment and medication you require.
This CNN blog post does not explain the point of the Donofrio case.
The blog post says, "Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961," as if it is a fact. My understanding is that the Donofrio lawsuit disputes that. I had to learn it from reading real political blogs, instead of this phony old media, old news attempt at a blog.
I wonder how much money "political ticker" staff are being paid, and whether you could at least explain the point of the lawsuit?
Does Obama need to show all you bone heads his Birth Certificate for you to believe him. I mean, this is ridiculous.... so lets see whats the argument.....
Obama is not a natural born citizen.... how about we put it like this
He is ..... Lets not pay attention to rumours which will just lead us to wasting our precious time.... time is money.
People with 1 great grandparent who was jewish, or anyone of jewish ethnicity is eligible for citizenship in Israel.
Actually I hope the right wing fringe goes right ahead bringing challenges like this. The wackier the theory, the better! Discredit yourselves right out of existence, please.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!! People are still MAD!!!
It's so funny to see all these sore losers see one of the "greatest leaders of our time" take office and begin to change this country.
Don't worry Obama Haters...he won't turn his back on you.
I am finally glad that this nonsense is over, he was born in Hawaii and think about it, why would his 9 month preganant mother travel to Kenya to have him, but, even so, the officials in Hawaii have examined it, this is another ploy to destroy Obama and it has been foiled by a conservative SOCTUS. Last, for those who do not want to accept Obama as president, many of us had to accept Bush for 8 yrs
I asked quite a few questions regarding BO birht certificate. GUESS WHAT??? CNN will not print it.. Guess this won't get printed eiather!
This opens up a very important immigration issue in that any person born on US soil should not be given citizenship unless at least one of the parents is already a US citizen. That stipulation would end a lot of our illigal immigration problems.
There is still one more case pending Berg) but if this is allowed to stand it will set a precedent that you will NOT have to be a "natural born citizen" in order to hold the office of The President. Are we ready for that? Arnold 2012.....it's coming!!!
Proof that SCOTUS isn't the right-wing conspiracy that the Dems have laid it out to be.
TO FRANK aka mediocre clown,..... "squared"!
[ If ] you, Mr. Clown, declared [ yourself ] as a candidate for the presidency of the United States, FBI, CIA, and every other US intelligence agency would be looking "up your nose" to count the nose hairs!!! So [ how ] and [ why ] do you think something "this important" would [ slip by ] all of those agencies????? Like the man said,.... "you are an idiot" !!! Whether Barack is black, yellow, white or green,.... they would know,..... SO,...... you "are" an idiot !!!
Tee
the constitution is further shredded.
the supreme court is political and should be closed down.
There are still people trying to convince america to vote for McCain/Palin. Its almost funny.
Get off the citizenship thing already, he wouldn't have been able to get even a social security number if he wasn't ever checked out.
Haha. McCain/Palin.
My only fear is some right wing nut case who may be plotting to destroy this great leader.
MCCAIN WAS BORN IN PANAMA AND OBAMA WAS BORN IN THE U.S. HAWAII. IF THE SUPREME COURT JUST REJECTED THIS THEN IT'S OVER. WE ALL KNOW OBAMA WAS BORN IN THE U.S. THIS SOON TO BE PRESIDENT PLAYED MONOPOLY WITH MCCAIN AND BEAT HIM EASY. NOW REPUBLICANS ARE CRYING ):
Why has Obama's Lawyers spent millions...in these hard economic times to defer from releasing his college and birth records?
These rightwing nuts are the same people who want to restrict the right to sue for everyone else.
He's a whole lot better than President Goofball.
Move on, stop wasting our tax dollars with this nonsense. Americans have spoken and Barack will be our next president.
Also, after the courts selected that idiot Bush, they shouldn't have anything to say. They were morons to saddle the country in 2000 with an inept bumblehead. He couldn't run a PTA.
Both sides are guilty of emotional overreaction to this subject. Sure, right-wing nuts, crazy conservatives and sore losers will react with lawsuits and public verbal attacks while the left-wingers and other nutjobs will go into the 'i can't believe you would question my lord and savior obama' phase or the 'you're just a racist' rant. Both sides are guilty throughout the election, but as an immediate response tot his article I would agree with 'Candice, CA' in that he has a right to file, he filed, he lost, it's over – Go USA.
For all of you calling the people questioning Obama's citizen idiots, shame on you.
Although I do not agree with their thinking, the day people are stopped from questioning what our goverment and it's elected oficial are doing is the day this Great nation will disappear.
The only real Americans are those who greeted the English when they got off the Mayflower. We are all transplants and immigrants.
GET OVER IT! We have elected a wonderful new President of the United States of America!
Candice has it right,
as much as laughable the thin is, he has the right to sue.
Let him do it.
And just laugh at him, we have the right to that.
Notice that the judge who turned down his appeal is Scalia nonetheless
Just to add to the discussion, I am posting a bit out of the AP story which is interesting. (Note: John McCain was included in his suit.)
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.
sting. But my opinion, he was born in Hawaii, he's a natural born citizen – end of story.
Cattlecar??? Or empty wagon???
News Flash! Barack Obama Won!!! The People have spoken!
Frank...you are right...it is a sad thing that dumb people are allowed to vote....but what's sadder is that fools and idiots know how to get on line and blog.... Which one are you?
i wonder if these guy would have sued if McCain would have won. After all he was born in Panama.
What a waste oif time. Get over it & move on. We have a new President!!
Every idiot who started this phony Iraq war had two American parents and look where that got us. Barack is smart, he's an American and his mom and grandparents raised him properly.
He will never start a phony war, torture people, lie to get his way, do nothing while people drown in American cities, and do fly overs for photo opts. Barack will be a great president and he is surrounding himself with people who will make sure that happens.
I like him, and I can't wait until January 20th. It will be a new day for America and the world.
God bless America.
Frank, Frank, get a hold of your brains man. They are scrambled along with Donofrio's. Did you two eat from the same spoon or what?
What does your birth certificate look like, what does it say? Are you a natural born citizen? What country do you really come from? Better yet, oh foolish one, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
Katiec – you're quite right, the country is at stake, crush all opposition, silence all contrary voices, jail the free-thinkers. If this doesn't work there is always the Final Solution. your start to this conversation was spoken like a true NAZI.
Read the article. Obama's campaign posted his birth certificate on-line once before.
The Federal Elections Commission has to verify that a candidate is eligible for office before he can be put on the ballot.
Obama was born in Hawaii two years after it became a state. His mother was an American who was born in Kansas. In fact, everyone on his mother's side was born in the US.
He was eligible to run according to the Constitution, and the lawsuit had zero merit. The SCOTUS proved as much by refusing to hear it.
Just more right wing bs it seems to me.
frank
I hope you reread your post because it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. I was going to take the time to enlighten you but your case is just too deep down in stupidity
This guy is stuck on stupid. Has anyone checked his citizenship?
Obama was born in Hawaii. McCain was born in Panama. Last time I checked Panama is not a state.
this is a non- issue . . sour grapes conspiracy theorists. but, unfortunately for them, the SCOTUS is was and always will be the last word on this stuff, and they ain't buyin it. next!
December 8th, 2008 1:51 pm ET
Incidentally, Hawaii became a state in 1959, well before Barack Obama's birth.
Hawaii's status doesn't really matter, anyway. If you're born anywhere in the world as the child of a US citizen, you are a US citizen by birthright.
QED.
But once you turn 18 you must declare it's not automatic
It is so obvious that people are so obsessed with Obama that they cannot find anything of real substance to nitpick about so they go after his citizenship give me a BREAK people. The man won fair and square get over it.
obama is a true american all this attempt to make him unamerican is for the fact the can stand his smartness.
To all the folks who question the BC – factcheck.org has pictures, and they attest that they've touched it. They have a birth announcement from a Hawaiian newspaper. If that's not good enough, then I doubt your citizenship too so just pack up and leave the country, please. Thanks.
To those who agree with the comment below: "Those questioning his citizenship are angry right-wing conservatives who still can't accept the fact that the republican pary lost. Get over it, Ha!"
Tell me why the angry left-wing liberals can't accept the vote and will of the people of California on Proposition 8 (AFTER 30 other states voted similarly, and we didn't see any major HATE adds against the citizens that supported those referendum issues). Here truly is a case of "they can't get over it."
Liberal hypocriticism, as usual. (("Hypocriticism" is not a word . . . it was created intentionally, perfect for this occasion.))
What people don't understand is, there are some serious background checks that go on before you can be president. Do you all honestly think that they are just going to let anyone run for president? Come on. They go through a vetting process themselves. If you aren't going to make your judgement based on facts at least make them based on common sense.
Why haven't I heard in any other presidential election about "birth certificates"...PEOPLE PLEASE GET A LIFE...
@FRANK....MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY...YOU WILL HAVE 8 YEARS OF OBAMA BEING YOUR PRESIDENT...COME BACK AFTERWARDS....LOL
Mr. Donfrio's suit (as far as I understand) also contends that John McCain and Roger Calero did not meet the requirement of "natural born citizen," and should not have appeared on the ballot.
I do find it interesting, however, that those who cry loudest about "activist judges" make appeals to said judges when elections (2000, 2008) don't turn out the way they wanted.
Hey Cattlecar and Frank,
Have you been drinking the kool aid again?
This replied goes to Frank , Barrack about Burrack Heritage in Slavery I don't know if you were hearing your self when you wrote
2. President Elect Barrack Obama heritage is White American and Original African !!!!
2. He might not have not gone throuhg Slavely or Civil right suffering of Black Americans, does he have to pay a price for that ?
3. you asked about President Elect ancestory ? he is Original African ancestory , and a White Mother from Kansas.
The next time you write think first, before you write, and do not write from your berry.
Thank you
"Jews have dual citizen ship, does that mean a Jew born in the US cannot be president?"
Uh? Jews do not have dual citizenship unless they are, perhaps, citizens of Israel, which not every Jewish person is.
This is why we get such frivilous lawsuits – besides the fact that people are bitter, it's also that people are uneducated and unwilling to research things before chattering their head off about them.
It is obvious the right has nothing better to do with their time... pathetic... and the wonder why they lost...
idiots
If we are going to look at Obama's birth certificate, can I get copies of Palin and Bush's college degrees and IQ tests?
I can't prove this, but I suspect that if the birth certificate was indeed taken out of the vault and verified by all the relevant authorities, examined by the best forensic scientists and the best lawyers in United States, and if then, one of these doubters were to actually be in the room with these people holding the ceritificate in his/her own hands, that person would then say it was a fake and call the whole thing a conspiracy anyway.
Call me kooky.
Well if he did steal the election- IT'S OUR TURN TO!!!!!!! BUSH STOLE THE LAST ONE, AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO US!!!!
TAKE A BIG GULP OF A CUP OF SHUT THE HELL UP, AND LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE!!!
ps- I just love the fact that Sarah Palin had the nerve to talk about the real america when her husband is part of an organization supporting Alaska to secede from the union. She didnt even want to be a part of the country that she was running for office for. I'm telling y'all- somebody better sit that crazy broad down!
...I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted over this non-issue...
I'm guessing the right-wing Obama haters here just don't follow the old rule, "I'd rather be quiet and have people think I'm stupid than open my mouth and prove it"! Well you guys have at least 4 or maybe 8 years to be bitter..in the meantime it seems that there are a bunch more in the country and the world no less that are willing and excited to accept Obama as our 44th president. Even the SCOTUS got it right this time, although I'm guessing maybe Justice Thomas would have been willing to hear the case.
They were pleased with the last 8 years and wanted more of same to continue Isn't that a fact Frank /cattlecar ?
I would bet that this idiot didn't question the legitimacy of Bush's stolen election in 2000. Pathetic.
Poor Frank–delusional and clueless.
I hope the plaintiff's in both cases have to pay attorney fees and costs when their cases are DISMISSED. That is one risk of filing bogus lawsuits, and I hope this one costs them more than they were expecting.
Funny how people scream that this guy is a right wing nut job who is whining about "his guy" not winning. If they actually new about the story, they would know the lawyer that filed the claim is a life-long registered democrat. It has nothing to do with "his guy". It has everything to do with the constitution. Yes, Obama was born in the US. Yes, he went to school in Indonesia at a time when only Indonesian citizens were allowed in school. No, Indonesia and the US did not have a dual citizenship agreement bach then. Yes, Obama would have had to give up his US citizenship to go to school in Indonesia. Yes, he would have had to reapply to get back his US citizenship. Yes, that means his citizenship status is technically different than a native born citizen. Yes, that disqualifies him from being president.
Frank, FOCUS. Obama won okay. If he didn't meet the qualifications he never would have run, okay. President-Elect Obama knew his constitutional rights. He taught on rights, race and gender at the University of Chicago. He is NO DUMMY. THAT'S WHY HE WON!!!
I really don't understand why so many GOP supporters have a tough time digesting the will of the people. The fact is the GOP is now a minority party, their fearless leader has the lowest approval rating in history, and thw American people have spoken out overwhelmingly for President-Elect Obama. Deal with it, morons!
Hey...at least the man tried to get rid of him in a legal manner!! Hopefully someone will find something to keep him from destroying our nation!!!
Obama was not born in the US...he was born on Krypton and his father Jor-El sent him here to save the United States from the evil Rovians...LOL
To Frank who said:
show me the birth certificate, show it to me!
signed by an MD in Hawaii….
you won't see it!
Its not enough that it's been scanned, put all over the internet, and has been verified by multiple sources to be official and legitimate... you actually want to see it? Ok.. go fly down to Hawaii.. go to the county recorder's office, and see it for yourself. If you're not willing to do it.. then shut up. I don't know how many times his birth certificate has to be scanned at how many angles before some of these conservatives finally take a breath and admit that the guy was born in Hawaii.
People will do anything to get their 5 minutes of fame.
I have a friend whose parents are both citizen of Mexico. She was born here – California to be specific – and carries American Citizenship. A natural born Citizen.
Barrack definitely meets the criteria. Stop wasting the court and people's time. Citizenship by birth is what he's got. That's what counts. Geez.
When will it end. This is a waste of time and energy. Face it. Obama is a citizen so he will be our next President. That is it. That is all she wrote. The birth certificate has been produced. Only idiots are still questioning whether it is legit.
Lets Hope that we end this SILLINESS. Some people just can not feel loss. To bad that the rest of us have to be subjected to this nonsense.
These things are all just a ruse to undermine Obama's credibility. They don't have to succeed as long as they make a large handful of complete morons around the country think they were legitimate claims. It's dirty, filthy, self-serving, narrow-minded, baseless nonsense like this that America voted against on Nov. 4th, sending a very loud and clear message to the GOP and its rank and file members. Unfortunately, they appear not to have heard it.
Too bad.
It is amazing that people think they have to see a birth certificate. In case you weren't paying attention, it was on Obama's campaign websited for everyone to see. Now the neocons are claiming there is no birth certificate. The law clearly states if you are born of a parent who is a US citizen, you are yourself a US citizen. A grade school friend of mine was born in Germany. Her parents were US citizens but that didn't make her a German citizen. She was an American!
Get real and get over it. And, by the way, tell W that this election was what you call a mandate!
Where is Donofrio from? Where were his paretns born.... or grandparents? His he really a citizen or one of those Republican "not one of us" types?
Why won't these people get a life and leave the world alone?
That should read "In re: The Matter of Boo Hoo v. Rational Thought"
Ken from Dallas, although what you say is correct in most cases, if both your parents are U.S. citizens, this does not immediately declare your right to citizenship in the United States.
yeah...nice try...
I'm surprise this made it as far as the Supreme Court; that should be looked into; how is this lawyer have such power to get a case like this in front of the supreme court's doorstep is beyond me...
@ Cattlecar
Well that makes perfect sense; I know lots of dirt poor mixed race parents that fly to Africa to give birth in a third world country with sub-standard medical care.
@ Bill, Charlotte, NC
To answer your question: because they think they own it.
If there were any legitimate question over Obama's citizenship, don't you thing that would have been pursued first by Hillary Clinton and later by John McCain and Sarah Palin? All three of them tried every trick in the book when they were running against him, including misrepresentations. If it were true, he would have been discredited right from the start!
Frank said "sad that dumb people are allowed to vote…..but that is the system we have!….."
I agree! It is sad that people who were dumb enough to vote for Bush (twice!) were allowed to vote again. And it's absolutely hillarious such a person should think anybody should give their thoughts one second of consideration rather than ten minutes of laughter.
The President elect Obama is not American,so not the future
President. Dubya and Jeb fixed the 2000 election but Dubya made
President. I gotta tell ya. You neocons are something else.
He's a US natural born citizen...get over it neo-cons. You lost fair and square.
It's a legitimate constitutional question that must be answered.
Just provide the documents to the Court Barry and be done with it.
To Ken in Dallas – You might want to actually read the Constitution before you start spouting off.
The Constitution doesn't say you have to be merely a *citizen*. It says you have to be a "natural born citizen". There's a big difference. If there weren't, Arnold S could run because he is now a citizen, but was born in Austria.
The bigger issue is (1) whether all you fools are content to be spoon fed the party line without any proof that ought to be extremely easy to produce (yet hasn't) and (2) whether you think the Constitution is actually an important document – indeed the law of the land. If your first answer is Yes or your second is No, then you can go on in your happy, ignorant ways. For those of us, however, for whom truth and the Constitution matter, this is an important and valid question.
Please stop being condescending – especially when you don't know the underlying law and certainly don't know or even have any basis for knowing the truth surrounding this issue.
The question really is, "Why doesn't Obama just produce the ORIGINAL birth certificate?". Seems preety simple to me. Instead he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees to have the cases dismissed instead of just paying the $12 to gain access to the original document. And for those who havn't taken the time to notice, Philip Berg is a lifetime Democrat so blaming this on the GOP is just plain ignorant. Instead of defending Mr. "I can do no wrong" Obama why not just get him to produce the document? The certificate of live birth that was posted on his website is not valid. There are items blocked out on it and it clearly states at the bottom that any alterations to it deem it invalid.
To Itva. You sound just like frank, like a fool. Can you tell why these babies born to illegal aliens are a bigger threat to our country? Babies born and raised with the influence of our culture, educated in our schools, a big threat!! Is obvious you have no clue what you're talking about, but please tell us your rationale.
Frank;
You got issues bud, go seek professional help before the voices in your head tell you to do something bad.
Dumbest lawsuit I have seen in a long time. Factcheck.org debunked this myth a long time ago and he put his birth certificate online. What more do people want?
Not only this "gentleman" was questioning President Elect Obama's citizenship, he was question mine. My father is a retired USAF MSGT and my mother is from England and I was born in Michigan. What he was telling me that I am not an American. He was questioning the citizenship of every miltiary brat whose background is similar to mine and President Elect Obama's.
This birth record business is so far beyond stupid. I would be willing to bet, that half of the dimwits that are ranting and raving did not show up at the polls to vote their choice. News flash .The election is over..
I'm very happy the Supreme Court made the right decision. As far as Obama being born in Kenya, how can any of those right wing radicals say that? Were they there when his mother gave birth? Furthermore, birth certificates are private documents.
Now let Obama do his job of bringing this nation back together and solving the problems facing this nation.
What drives me crazy is that this folks asking Obama to produce his birth certificate, oh yea he is hiding something. IF YOU THINK OBAMA WAS ACTUALLY BORN IN KENYA THEN BRING A PROVE ALL YOU HAVE GOT IS HE SAID SHE SAID. Of cause Obama's grandmama was there when her son was born in Kenya, because his name was Barack Obama Sr. So let court do their work and if you have a prove stating that Obama was born elsewhere, bring it to the court. I wonder why he retired from being a lawyer cuz he just stupid, because he should at least know that in court the only thing that work is Documents. IF you don't have it Well to bad see u later
The real issue was that McCain wasn't born in the USA but on a US Military Base on foreigh soil.
But that issue is over and done with.
Martha,
Can you note read, I don't won't to be rude but the State of Hawaii has already stated that they have is original birth certificate on file...what more do you need. And for that matter why doesn't everyone complaing about wanting to see BO's birth certificate post it on the net for everyone else to see.
Why do these right wing nuts continue to challenge Obama's legitimacy? Is the left wing going to court because Palin is a corrupt moron? No. These people don't have a leg to stand on, yet they continue to make absurb attempts to attack Obama.
Please, give it up already. Obama is our 44th President! Oh, and it's President OBAMA. Get used to it.
Why does BO need 3 Law firms to block the investigations in proving
his cititzenship. Just show us the Birth Certificate.
When you apply for a drivers license, don't you have to bring your Birth Certificate (origianal with a seal).
Something smells here.....
BO supporter with doubts......
@ Get Your Facts and...
The proof has been obtained and shown. It was there for all to see. Moreover, the birth certificate (yes, the original) was no doubt inspected by appropriate authorities. This is very typical of the GOP over the past decade: they ignore inconvenient facts and contrary evidence and fabricate new "facts" to claim are true. Sorry, but the FACT is, the evidence exists and has been examined. Whether this last individual has a right to demand personal inspection of the original birth certificate is one thing, but the FACT is that Obama is a NATURAL BORN citizen. You're deluding yourself to continue thinking that there's any chance on God's green earth that it will be proven otherwise.
For Jeff.
You are right. I might add .If your father is in the armed forces,
your mother is living with him, on a base, in a foriegn country.and you are born in a base hospital. You are an American Citizen.
Re: The Smart Guy "disagreeded" and "And for all intensive purposes".
Crack a book once in a while and act like you have been someplace......please.
There is so much ignorance in this comment section it is astounding. Have any of you even looked at the suits? The Berg case, who by the way is a Democrat, alleged that the certificate of live birth that was placed on the web was a fraud and Berg had many, many, pieces of evidence to show that this was so. When required by the courts to produce a real birth certificate (not a certificate of live birth using a recent computer font that didn't exist when Obama was born), Obama did not produce these documents. He got his real, original documents locked up in Hawaii so nobody could see them. What is he hiding? The burden of proof is on him and he REFUSES to reveal the truth. This is just the tip of the iceberg. But you moronic sheep think it is only "right-wingers" or "conspiracy nuts" etc. ad nauseum that are "bitter" or whatever else – this is a matter of the LAW and of finding the TRUTH. Is that too hard for your little minds to comprehend? This is not a right vs. left, mudslinging, upset-over-the-results-of-the-election effort. This is confronting the compelling evidence that Obama was actually born in Kenya and trying to get that settled. Also, for your information, being a natural born citizen is different from being a NATURALIZED citizen. In order to be president, under the law, you must be a NATURAL BORN citizen for which Obama has not proven to the American public that he is. And no, I am not a McCain supporter or a Republican, so stop forcing everyone into your little stereo-type fantasy because you are ignorant of the facts of the case and of the issue at hand. Do you not think it is important to get to the bottom of this issue? Ignorance, that is what abounds here.
Actually I was for neither candidate. I feel Americans do not really have a choice other than what's placed before them by both parties in an election year. Someday hopefully we will have a good strong independent party then at least there would be three choices to choose from. I do think it's going to be interesting at just how high the new president's rock star status held by the media, and a lot of frenzied voters will be in the next four years. I'l be willing to bet there going to be some real mind changing situations coming up soon.
"Get Your Facts and Logic Straight": The proof has been produced repeatedly. Go to Snopes.com, it's all right there. Pictures and everything. If you don't believe that, go to Hawaii yourself.
Do you hold everyone up to this standard? McCain? Bush? Clinton? Reagan? Or are you profiling?
They called him a socialist, a communist, the anti-Christ, a Marixst, accused of him of links to terrorism, and now non-citizen. You people are insane. Never has any candidate gone through such scrutiny.
It gives me great joy in laughing at you idiots everytime your efforts to hurt a good man flop so miserably.
cattlecar December 8th, 2008 12:03 pm ET
The Congress is responsible for the review of elligibility for the office of President. Votes are meaningless if the candidate does not meet the Constitutional requirements. Obama had his birth records in Hawaii sealed for a reason. The Birth Certificate on file there is stamped Kenya. The certificate of live birth is stamped Hawaii. Obama is not elegible for the office. His signature on a bill will be worth no more than mine.
You sir/ma'am are an I.D.10.T. Check Factcheck.org and look at the crystal clear pictures of the ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
Oh, and for your information there cattle...my son was born in Germany, at a German Hospital. But guess what...he's an American Citizen. Would you like to know why? I'll give ya just one guess...Because I'm an American!!!
Why am I not surprised that the Obamacons hang their hats on the possibly falsified document that is shown on the democratic website. We have an issue at hand where the new president of the United States is the type of person that would seal all of the documents that would either clear him or convict him. Both in Hawaii and at Harvard. I would imagine that if these documents would clear him, he would drive them in himself. The real problem is that the words written in the constitution have no meaning to many people of the democratic party. In addition, you make yourselves sound unintelligent and uninformed by making silly statements on this site. The republicans are not against Obama. The republicans are against the degradation of the constitution and merely question the ability of Obama to carry out the careless promises he has made to the public for one simple reason....to get elected. For all of our sake, I hope he can accomplish one tenth of what he has promised. Incidentally, he is off to a bad start with his recent attempts at foreign relations.
PLEASE......................................................TAKE A BREATH..............................................................................................................................NOW ARE YOU ALL BETTER???????????????????????
Good greif.
Do people really think that a Bush-controlled CIA and FBI wouldn't have dug it up if Obama wasn't really an American citizen?
Or does the conspiracy go that far up?
doesn't matter if his parents were from Saturn and Neptune. Neither parents need be a citizen. He was born in the U.S. (Hawaii) that is all that is necessary.
Also, being born in another country and having a parent that is a U.S. Citizen does not make you a "natural born citizen". But again that doesn't matter either in this case because he was born in Hawaii.
Hey: Mike in LA
What school did you go? Whatever one it was, you should definitely go back and try to learn something.
WHY?!?
WHY ??!!
WHY??!!
Why Obama refused to show his birth Certificate??
He is hiding something !!!
John McCain was born in Panama on a US base to an American mother and father. A US base on any soil is deemed American soil.
Barack Obama was born to an American mother and a Kenyan father with British citizenship. IF he was born in Hawaii or anywhere else on US government property, he can claim American citizenship. The question is was he actually born in Hawaii. It seems strange to me that the original birth certificate hasn't been shown. That would pull the rug out from under those filing suit.
My sister (American citizen) lived overseas for twenty years, coming back to the states every so often to keep her citizenship. She married a non-American. When she became pregnant and ready to deliver, she flew back to her house in the states to give birth so that the child would have American citizenship. The same would be the case with Obama's mother. Did she make it back to Hawaii before Barack was born? That is the question being raised.
The person that suggests that the president-elect is not a natural born citizen because his father was not is then stating that any person born in the United States with parents that are not here legally is not a natural born/legal citizen and does not have any rights. His mother is a natural born citizen. I think people that do not like the way the election went will try anything to stop what is righteous.
@ Skye
Voted for Hillary, didn't you.
Skye:
1. If he was not legally qualified to be president, don't you think the CIA would have dug that up by now?
2. The lower court ruled that the case was without merit. This Berg guy, who I'm sure isn't really a "Democrat" (or he is in the way that Zell Miller is a Democrat), appealed to the Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court's decision by refusing to hear the case.
3. If the courts, from the bottom to the top, have dismissed this case, that means that legally there is insufficient evidence, and legally, by the laws of our nation, the claim is without legal merit. So, this is indeed a matter of THE LAW, and THE LAW has ruled. Obama is a natural born citizen, and he will be inaugurated president.
RE: Facts and Logic:
You make a great point about the specific phrase in the Constitution – "natural born citizen."
Few would argue that Arnold S is precluded by this language. And there are many here who have rightly pointed out that being born to an American citizen (regardless of place of birth) is sufficient for citizenship. But is such a person a "natural born citizen?" The language of the Constitution isn't explicit about this situation, hence the lawsuit.
In light of this, why the big fuss about producing a birth certificate? It doesn't really solve any questions until there is first clarification/interpretation of the language.
If Obama is a US BORN CITIZEN then why is there not a LIVE -BIRTH certificate the has been shown to the public. What has been shown is a document that is NOT an actual birth certificate. Apparently, there was some info about the Grandmother telling that he was born in Kenya. When it was being investigated, the hospital in Kenya would not allow the investigation. Wonder why....? Do they have something to hide? If they did not, then they should have been ok with this investigation. And.. do you really trust the CIA and FBI? Look at the situation in Iraq? So... the Grandmother is no longer alive. Isn't that a coincidence.....? The one Obama threw under the bus during the campaign...that had the answers to the questions, but was probably kept from speaking to anyone... What a shame....
another snap case nut job. will they ever cease?
factcheck.org, which is a non-partisan group with impeccable credentials, have examined the birth certificate, held it in their hands, and have declared it 100% authentic.
Case closed.
This was a waste of time and money! We need to got back to the colonial stockade methods for this village idiot!
GIVE IT A WAS GUY! AT THIS POINT I DON'T CARE IF BARACK WAS FROM NEPTUNE!
@ Skye-I cannot find my original birth certificate, therefore, I get to use a certificate of birth that I got earlier this year, in a font that did not exist when I was born. That is NOT proof that I am not a citizen. Get a life and move on!
This whole case regarding Obama's citizenship was BOGUS and has been settled by SCOTUS and now he will be POTUS. Thank you everyone, and goodnight!!!
Thanks Veteran in Kansas. Wow. Obama must really be a gift, something magnificent if this is the best that people can do against him. Please everyone, come up with something better that is legitimate if you don't like him or SUPPORT our new leader and get to the business of making the country better, instead of spewing lies and hate on here and going to work and mingling with your minority co-workers like everything is cool...oh, is that just me it happens to? He wrote his first book long before the Presidency entered his mind where he details his birth. His mother did not know he would run so what reason would there be to tell him he was born here all of these years if he was not? Admit it everyone, people still cannot handle his intelligence or his colour. The sooner people are honest with themselves, the better they will sleep at night. There is entirely too much rage in peoples' minds and hearts and not for the right reasons at all.
For all of you Republicans who wish to think that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, I want to see the same fight when Bobby Jindal runs in 2012. I don't have a problem with him, in fact as a Democrat I like him, but I can guarantee you, there will not be talk of his "citizenship" (he's an American) or religion (he's a Catholic). Try not to show your ignorance that because someone looks different does not mean he is not American. You need to get over it already and talk about how to bring the ailing economy back. Some of you are grossly underpaid because you have all the answers and seem to be "smarter" than everyone else. My answer, move to Washington, contact your local congress to make a difference, but I challenge that none of you will.
"The survival of our country is at stake..." – katiec @ 11:59am
Exaggerate much?
Obama's mother is an American, doesn't matter if he was born on Mars, that makes him a natural born citizen. The rest of you people are just sore losers or sad conspiracy theory nuts. Get a life and lets get on with cleaning up the huge mess we have in America instead of playing these partisan witch hunt games.
All you soreloser cons crack me up.
some ppl just can get over the loose of mcpain..cnn post this pls
Skye,
I am sorry you are so upset about this. Emotions aside lets look at the facts we do have. Who do you think is holding his papers under key in Hawaii? The state? A Bank? Obama is born of a nice White, Kansas US Citizen, it would not matter if his dad was a goat from the foot hills of Tasmania. It would not mater if he was born in Indonesia, the moon, or Uranus. Her fresh clean white blood makes him a citizen. That one drop of American Arian Blood gives him the keys to the palace. If he is being accused of something does not that put the burden of proof on you? You should read up on what it takes to be an American before you blow a gasket.
No, I did not vote for Hillary. And I love how that could be the only motivation. You people have such simplistic mindsets that you have disregard the concept of something being true or false, regardless of your party affiliation or interest. This is a matter of is he lying or is he telling the truth. A case to get to the bottom of this should be not be thrown out, it should be investigated. And again, if you look at the actual evidence presented surrounding the forgery that is the certificate of live birth on the website, including an incorrect 2007 border on the supposedly 2008 document (among all the other inconsistencies), it is obvious that the document was altered. Open up your minds and get past the right vs. left paradigm that you are chained in and investigate the truth. Stop believing what you are being trained to believe by your media masters and use logic and reasoning to investigate this, observing the facts. It looks like, due to ignorance and disregard of critical thinking, we will have our first illegal alien "president" come January.
@ skye
Your quote:
"He got his real, original documents locked up in Hawaii so nobody could see them. What is he hiding? The burden of proof is on him and he REFUSES to reveal the truth."
Actually, in this country you are innocent until proven guilty – if you or Berg has evidence he is lying – PROVE IT! You cannot make accusations then demand proof of innocence. And I guarantee you don't have the original copy of your birth certificate, you have a certified copy – just like Obama.
Your right though, the ignorance on this site is astounding.
I am glad the Supreme Court rejected this case. Some people have way to much time on their hands. Before one can run for many state or national offices citizenship is proven. Too bad the misguided and ill informed could not have found a better way in spending money instead of wasting it on this nonsense.
The frivilous lawsuits will keep coming one after another. You get looney tunes who have too much time and too much money on their hands and the cases wind up in the Supreme Court.
this is childish, no wonder people have lost respect for the republican party.
for those you you conspiracy theorists, try reading the whole article before commenting –
"although the campaign posted a copy of it online this summer"
How is Obama hiding his birth certificate again? Please explain....
FRANK
Dude! just say know to DRUGS!
I find it highly amusing that after the current administration has successfully trampled the Constitution by taking away our civil liberties and granting the president an absurd amount of power, the same individuals that supported those transgressions now wish to pick up the tattered remains of the supreme law of land, tie it to a stick upside down, and wave it in distress.
Obama Won, McCain lost. McCain showed why he is a great American during his concession speech. Please stop miring that by the fact that you cannot admit defeat.
hahaha! stoopid repubs! i hope it cost that moron a small fortune in legal fees. lol!
I can't believe anyone would waste the courts time with this issue, but I guess after having a joke of a president like Bush for the past eight years some people might think anything is possible.
THIS IS SOOOO STUPID!!!!!!!! A WASTEN OF TIME & MONEY.....THEY NEED TO STOP THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!! GET A GRIP!!!!!
As we all know, Barack Obama did graduate from Havard Law so I'm pretty sure he knows the law very well and would not try to run for president if he was not a natural born citizen.
We certainly don't want to find out the truth.
Barack Obama's father's name was also Barack Obama. When President-elect Obama's paternal grandmother said Barack was born in Kenya, the wing nuts did their little victory dance and claimed it was the son she was talking about, not the father. These people will twist and distort anything because they can't come to terms with having a liberal black man as their president. Let them keep their fantasies alive and waste their time and money. At least it keeps them off the streets.
@LoveMyUSA/DoYou? This sounds like a typical xenophobic GOP lemming's rant. Their mantra is "you're with us or against us." GIVE IT UP! Obama is the president. You have 4 years to rant and hopefully 8 (especially if that dimwitted Palin is run in 2012) so get used to seeing "President Obama" Say it to yourself....."President Obama." That's a good little lemming....
Ha, ha. Choke on that, Donofrio!
To those who care to use some brainpower, why don't you investigate the "certificate of live birth" that was placed on Obama's website vs. a real birth certificate or copy of a real birth certificate. My birth certificate shows an original copy, signed by the nurse in the hospital where I was born, printed on official birth certificate paper. What was presented on Obama's website was not a copy of anything – it was printed on a computer recently. And investigation into this document has shown forgery – 2007 border on 2008 paper, blurry and inconsistent lettering and print, erroneous color in between the letter characters (indicating the embedding and merging of separate documents), etc. Or you can choose to cop out and call anyone and everyone a conspiracy theorist who questions the legitimacy of this president-elect. That is called shutting off your brain and refusing to address any of the facts – in your mind, if Snopes, the CIA, and the mainstream media say it's legit, it must be. Sad.
Jack:
It might be a little exaggeration as you may call it, but I think stupid people like FRANK should do thir home work before they put a pen on a paper.
If this question isn't a concern, please explain to me how come it's been coming up since before the Summer. Not only that, but Obama's aunt was kicked out of the U.S. 4 years ago for being an illegal alien but has refused to leave even up to this date. To make things even worse, OUR tax dollars are paying for her to live in Public Housing in Boston.
Yes, the country is at stake, as is our Constitution and way of life. The answer is not republican or democrat, people need to start looking outside the box. It's time we elect a 3rd party member which hasn't happened since 1860. This way we can end all the lies and start with something new & not tarnished.
How can a case as weak as this get to the Supreme Court?
Let's offer the evidence up again, to the wacko nutjobs who still think there's an issue here. Go to factcheck.org and read the material there. Then look at your own so-called "birth certificate" and see if it isn't a certified copy of live birth or some such agency-generated document, just like President-elect Obama's document as REPEATEDLY CERTIFIED AS AUTHENTIC BY HAWAII AUTHORITIES, you morons.
OLD MCCAIN WAS BORN IN PANAMA!! HE CANT RUN FOR PRESIDENT. SHOUDL I SAY MORE?
"Berg claims Hawaii officials will not let him see Obama's original birth certificate"
Give it a rest already, Berg--you go ask for anybody's birth certificate other than your own's-–trust me...they're not just going to hand it to you. I'm sure you'd have just a hard time getting a hold of Bush's or McCain's.
Hey cons you want some CHEESEEE with that WHINEEEEEE... You say you hold the constitution up as the letter of the law right , well then how about all the votes that were stolen in 2000 and 04 . Nuff said .. You cons are the reason why are suffering economically right now ....
For the stupid people who are still beating this dead horse. A sealed copy of Obama birth Certificate was produced by the Hawaii Goverment, and a copy of Obama Birth announcement was also located in the hawaii newspaper. This is so silly.
Cattlecar, you have never seen a Birth Certificate for Obama with a Kenyan stamp, because Obama mother never lived in Kenya so how could he have been borned there. You people make up stuff because your stupid to realize the parties over and Obama has won.
"Case closed"
thump, thump, thump!!!!
"Next! case!"
OMG. there's a lot of ugly people out there and GOD doesn't like them at all. Obama is an american citizen and your PE. so get over it.
This is disgrace .....These nutts would do anything to be on the news ....Leave Obama alone he would do a good job being president..
Obama is a citizen of American
it is illegal to have dual citizenship.
show us the birth certificate once and for all.
@ Wake UP America
Lemme guess...you are a HUGE X-Files fan?
To "Wake UP America"
Are you serious...you have to be joking. Enough with the conspiracy theories. He has a birth certificate, he IS a natural born US citizen and he is going to make an amazing president. Case closed. CTFO.
One more thing – ever heard of the phrase "divide and conquer"? That is exactly what the puppet-masters have done. So many of you are stuck on the Republican vs. Democrat paradigm that you cannot think straight regarding this issue. This gross oversimplification of what is happening here is exactly why it is happening. As long as it is a right vs. left cat fight, we can exclude rational, logical comprehension and understanding of the issue at hand, and others like it. Corruption can flourish when a nation is divided and boy is it flourishing. I hope some of you will wake up but I fear most will not.
Bogus suit . . . Our taxpayer dollars at work.
This would not even gotten on Judge Judy let alone the supreme court. A waste of time money, air and thought.
Donofrio should actually read the constitution. Obama was BORN in the US. END OF STORY!!!!!!
First of all the only true citizens are INDIANS they were here first and all the white EUROPEAN decient men came here took over THEIR LAND and called it USA. So no one need ask anyone a damm thing about where they are fromor if they are citizens or not. Because if so all the white people need to head to the back of the line and fill out a damm green card because this great USA belongs to the INDIANS and white men stripped them of everything they had, thats why INDIANS (pure) get money each month for compensation. And Africans were forced here and hell its too much mixtures of all races her so get over it!
THATS FACTS
To all those screaming about seeing a birth certificate: What makes YOU think that YOU must see it? It is a personal document. The people who needed to see it have seen it. You morons probably don't even know where yours is...
@ Scott, who said
"Why am I not surprised that the Obamacons hang their hats on the possibly falsified document that is shown on the democratic website. We have an issue at hand where the new president of the United States is the type of person that would seal all of the documents that would either clear him or convict him."
First, that is his right, because those documents are not public. Second, he has produced a certified copy, which is legally equivalent to the original, i.e., there's no question as to its authenticity and accuracy. Third, and perhaps most important for showing how hypocritical you neocon crybabies are, at least he's not shredding documents, hiding emails and refusing to obey Congressional subpoenae. Grow up, wake up and suck it up. He's about to shame you all with what a good job he does.
You mean this time-waster actually made the Court take thirty seconds to dismiss his silly claim? Look for him on the Limbaugh show soon – he's a real conservative hero.
yeah, these are the same folk that voted for Palin: Actually I didn't vote for McCain/Palin but at least I knew from day one they are both Natural Born Citizens of the US and aren't hiding anything. However, Obama is ONLY President Elect until he is sworn in as president. So before you shoot off your mouth thinking you're a big shot, you need to learn how the presidency works. From your comments, you sure don't seem to know that yet, so please do some studying up on the issue, thanks.
Also if he didn't haven't have anything to hide he'd just produce the document without hiring 3 firms to protect his secrets. I think it's time you grew up & learned what it takes to be a President in the USA.
Hillbilly
Please, can we all get along? Why does it matter? We have finally a sane person in white house after 8 years of insanity....
all you obama saints you calling his Grandmother a liar. She said he was born in Kenya and she was there when he was born. obama is the one stirring up trouble by not being truthful and all you that voted for him voted for him because he was ( black ). You got what you voted for a black man being a puppet to white men. Some change.
"wake up america" ... the line for tin foil hats is over at the fox news board.
Let's get the facts straight. First, ALL original birth certificates are the property of the Vital Records Department in the state in which one was born. When you apply to get your birth certificate, you will receive a certified copy, not the original. My mother has a 'photocopy' of my original, it is small, typed on a typewriter and smudged. When I ordered a copy, I received a full page, in modern font and printed on fancy paper – it looks nothing like my mother's copy. If you don't accept the facts, I challenge you to go try to get your own ORIGINAL birth certificate and see how far you get. FactCheck.org has done a lot of work on this and the Republican Governor of Hawaii stated she view the original at the Dept. of Health and pronounced it in order. Please end this stupidity!
TO EVERY ONE:
now that everybody have say their point of view and uderstand that there are some haters in this pricless given the world ,we should let it go and put things behaind us, support and pray for President Barrack Obama USA abd peace in the WORLD.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Here is my comment to the radical right extremists, who question Obama's US citizenship and agree with these ludicrious court challenges. Get over it, it's hopeless, the election is over, you lost.
"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." —Albert Einstein
Birth Certificate vs. Certificate of Birth? Is that the question? "Original" birth certificates (or certificates of birth) are NEVER issued to parent. They are kept on file in the state in which the child is born. There would never be a foreign birth certificate registered in a state. If there is a birth certificate registered in Hawaii it is because the child was born in Hawaii. My granddaughter was born in a foreign country, thus she has a document "registering the foreign birth of a U.S. citizen" because her father is a U.S. citizen. Her birth certificate is registered in that foreign country, not in any state. The document registering her birth is in the State Dept.
This argument is pure stupidity. The fact that it has become an issue that made it to the U.S. Supreme Court is proof of the "dumbing-down" of the U.S. population. Our education system has failed us all.
The first of this year, the Medford Mail Tribune (oregon) ran a story, from a Lady in Ashland Oregon, who stated here father made it possible to bring obama and his family from kenya, in the 70's to the US. Dont take my word for it though, do your home work, look it up,
OH and l voted for Obama.
Just a note, just like there are many racist Republicans, there are also many racist Democrates, so the fact that the man who took it to court was a Democrate, doesn't say anythng other than he is a racist and can't get over the fact that Obama, a black man, won the Presidency of the US. I know plenty of Democrats that voted for Hillary, but refused to vote for Obama, because they just couldn't bring themselve to vote for a black man. BUT GUESS WHAT – HE WON ANYWAY!! and now he will be sworn in as our 44th President on January 20th. THANK YOU GOD!!!
I can't believe this happened. Why would the supreme court actually waste time with this comment, if the constituiton implies that he's a natural born citizen. Makes no sense.
I wanted to be born in Ireland ... but Mom was in Boston ... Obama was born in Hawaii to an American citizen ... for those silly people living in the past – Hawaii is one of the 50 states!
If people invested this wasted time and energy in being useful and making a positive contribution – the nation would be a much better place!
By any repiglican means necessary.
Franco Tirado:
Actually, there WAS a lawsuit filed against McCain for similar reasons, but it wasn't pushed as far as this one against Obama because McCain didn't win the election.
Like katiec, I, too, am glad to see that this time (unlike in 2000), the Supreme Court did make the right decision to throw this appeal out of court.
If jokahs are salty that Obama won the election and they don't want him to be their Commander-in-Chief, then they should prepare themselves to live overseas....!! Grin and bear it....just like a majority of the country did when Dubya was selected as Commander-in-Thief!!
LOL
Just look at all the exclamation points and read all of the demands by the right. I see carpal tunnel syndrome, high blood pressure and ulcers in my crystal ball. OK, I read your fortunes and predicted your futures. Give me $50. You'll just blow it on carzy lawsuits anyway.
Instead of questioning Obama's citizenship, after questioning these critics' intelligence and objectivity, what should really be questioned is the criminality of the Bush-Cheney-Rove performances that have cost this country so drastically. Barack Obama's election has indicated to the world that America has gotten back on track and given hope back to the American people but it wouldn't hurt to give warning to future administrations that they will be held accountable.
Obama won, there is nothing you can do about it. Calm down, drink some warm milk and go to sleep. How about questioning 911 – all evidence points to an inside job. Or how about questioning why Bush & Cheny lied about WMD so they could go into Iraq and steal the oil? They killed tens of thousands of innocent people, was responsible for over 4,000 American lives (in addition to the $3,000+ that died in 911), and stole oil, money, and artifacts from Iraq. Why is this not seen as a problem? Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be brought up on murder charges!!! Why aren't we discussing the vast amount of innocent lives that were killed, instead of going after the one man who said NO, we shouldn't be there!?!
I don't appreciate being censored – I have been waiting quite a while for my previous three comments to be shown as many others have been approved during the past half hour. Perhaps you will post this along with my other three to make me look dumb or like a "conspiracy nut" (since so many of your other commenters love to throw like words around at those who actually think) but I don't care as long as the previous three get posted.
I can’t believe people are actually this stupid. I guess some of you won’t happy until the Supreme Court overturns the election and smacks over 66 million voters in the face.
I never thought I’d say this but the message boards on Fox News’ website are far more intelligent. At least there’s some real basis in their arguments whether I agree with them or not.
Bill from AR – Not sure what source your sister was uning but you do not run the risk of losing American citizenship with prolonged absences. Once a ctizen always a citizen (unless you jump though a hoops to give it up). Also, any child born to an American citizen parent is also an American citizen, regardless of where the birt occurs. No need to fly back.
An I'm not sure what story you have in mid about Obama's mother. She was 18 when he was born and did not live in Kenya. There is not inciation that she ever even visited there.
Sean December 8th, 2008 12:32 pm ET
If you are going to claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen because you claim (without evidence) that he was born in a foreign country, then you also have to say that McCain is not a natural born citizen, since it is fact that he was born in Panama!
This is so typical of this crowd.
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because there is proof that he wasn't born in the US, his parents even wrote it on school papers. The BC is sealed because he has something to hide, plain and simple.
Mr. Donofrio should be dis-barred! The consitution should have been something you read BEFORE law school and you still don't get it. Even if Obama was born in Kenya (which he wasn't) the fact that his mother was an American citizen is all he needs to be a U.S. citizen. It is this type of ignorance and fear of change that has the reputation of the U.S. tainted. This is an opportunity for this country to show that it is everything that the Constitution said it is...oops, my fault, I forgot you didn't study that in school.
Obama's father and mother were shortly married and soon after he left for Kenya and left behind Obama and his mother in the States. By marriage, wouldn't that make Obama's father a U. S. citizen and thus Obama was born from both U. S. citizen parents. Wouldn't you think of the case from that perspective, YOU, A DUMB RACIST LAWYER?
There are some PATHETIC people in this world.
Sue: You're a fool-the birth Certificate is ONLINE...for your viewing pleasure..look it up
Cattlecar: Get your facts straight...it's all over the media that the records have been examined thoroughly..and found to be legit- he is FROM the USA..born and bred..
Frank: what are you even talking about???
Uhmm...Other Frank: Birth Certificate=certificate of birth-they are all part of the vital records down in HI... ALL legitimate...
And to all the other doofy comments: GET OVER IT.. He IS a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. and... here in about 42 days...YOUR brand NEW president!! *waves her little American flag...*
Go find something else to do...continue your quest to disprove the moon landing or the holocaust or whatever you like to do..or see if you can find out if he was actually born in a different galaxy..now that would totally rock the political world. For now, you have nothing. Just STOP it.
Why did the Supreme Court hear this case? Don't they have more important things to consider?
Wouldn't you think all of this was done before he got the OK to run for president or is the Republicans scared President Elect Obama was vetted like Sarah Palin, NONE.
@ Wake UP America... Umm... Woah there Nellie... Chill out. "Threw her under the bus???" Are you SERIOUS?.. My GOD... Don't you have a hobby you need to get back to? Perhaps collecting guns or attempting to marry your relatives?
Give it a rest. He won. He will serve. Quit wasting the courts time. At least he is smarter than a 5th grader. Can't say that about Bush.
We all had dual-British-American citizenship for the last two-hundred and thirty-two years so what the problem.? Can we just get alone.
Hopefully this nonsense is now over. My God, enough already. The far right will do anything to try and keep this man from being president, but now, it should be finally over.
It is despicable that you would censor the truth from your comment section. Thank you for reminding me why the mainstream media can never be trusted because you guys are a bunch of puppet shills who can't think for yourselves and don't have the integrity to allow the truth to be heard.
Obama/Biden '08!
When 2 people come across the border from Mexico into the USA and the lady gives birth to a baby in New Mexico 2 days later, that child is a NATURALIZED AMERICAN because that child was born on US soil even though the parents are not legal in this country.
Now explain how Obama was born on US soil to an American mother cannot get the same privilege given a child born to 2 Mexican parents on US soil.
Will ignorance ever cease???? To all you Conspiracy theorists.....Do you have PROOF that President Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, post it on you-tube and we'll check it out.....otherwise STFU!!!
BTW...that PROOF must be certified and stamped by the bureau of vital statics. Kinda like BO's certified copy of his birth certificate posted online and with factcheck.org for all the world and their mama to see.
It seems we will always have illiterate lawyers who fail to read the Constitution and the 14th amendment. Anyone born in the US is a citizen. PERIOD!!
Why does everyone keep saying that a birth cert hasn't been produced when Obama himself put it up on his website for everyone to see?
Bill from AR, I'm not sure why your sister came back every couple of years to keep her citizenship. You don't lose American citizenship from living overseas, no matter how long. Also, factcheck.org found that Obama's birth announcement appeared in the Honolulu paper back in 1961. I don't expect that if he was born in Kenya, his family would have had the foresight to alert the vital statistics desk of a Honolulu paper (why? just in case a half-black kid whose parents could not even legally be married in 1/3 of the states at the time might take it into his head to become president?). As many commenters have noted, if the tin-foil hat nutjobbers pushing this story would turn to making positive contributions, the country would be a far better place.
"Obama can't be president because he may not be a natural born citizen" translates, after weaving its way through some warped ids and egos, as "Obama can't be president because he's black." That unstoppable racist force is really trying hard to wriggle its way past the fact that Obama won
Even IF he was from another country... so what? I'd take any better foreign president than the American of the last 8 years!! Booyah!
Here's another person, trying to get their 15 minutes of fame.
@ Bill from AR
Stupid is as Stupid does.
Think about the presidential position these days. It's not like B.O. has to cut down trees to heat the US, or kill a deer, or fish, or work in the fields to feed all of us. B.O.'s primary function is to run his mouth it's really that simple. Let him have the picture and the nice wall plaque....... then let's move on!
Maybe this one will get posted:
u dumb republicens our just mad that mccain lost the electiun and their is know way two have him win now that obama won and your just angry becuz your bitter and have nothing better two due then come and make frivulus lawsuits. obama is an american citezen and he would knot lye about that wood he? get over it, the facts our all their and theyre is no way that this wood knot have ben chekt out prior. duh, get a life losers.
Almost the end of THE error! said:
........................And Barack was actually born in Hawaii…which by the way…is a state!
That's correct......and according to Barack, Hawaii would be the 57th state.
For all those who don't like what happened on Nov 4th, get over it. Barack Obama is our president for the next 4 years. Heck, did you see this much buzz on Pres. Bush when he was elected 8 years ago. Let's talk about the mess he has gotten this country in and the war that begin under false pretence.
Enough already people. This is a time to come together. I bet every one of of you know at least 1 person who has lost there job in the last 6 months if you aren't the actual person jobless at this time.
So... the right's dead-enders have had yet another attempt to throw a monkey wrench into America's election process FOILED.
So, in the interest of capitalism, someone should selle them some more ( to go with their over-abundant Kool aid supply.
Wrenches, wrenches... get your red hot wrenches... you keep wasting em, and we'll keep selling em... get your red hot wrenches....(Monkey's cost extra)
Scott says, "The republicans are against the degradation of the constitution..." Are you kidding me? I had to re-read that to make sure I understood it. We just lived through 8 years of republicans hacking away at the Constitution, and suddenly you feel it has value? Can you say "warrantless wiretapping"? How about "water boarding and other means of torture"?
Regarding the topic at hand, this non-issue is a waste of our time. If this argument had any validity, the GOP would have been all over it, and Barack Obama never would have survived the primaries.
To "Wake Up America",
You said "the Grandmother is no longer alive. Isn't that a coincidence".
Wow, you must be the dummest person alive to think that his grandmother died "coincendentally" around the time some moron is asking for his birth certificate. Yeah, she just decided to die so she wouldn't be questioned. You idiot.
Frank and his friends are on to something. Unfortunately, they have the wrong bad guys. The McCain committee & RNC have a lot of money. They have an interest in investigating and publicizing any legal infirmities in the campaign or qualifications of Obama. Why are they silent? What do they know? They are hiding something. There is a cover-up and a conspiracy afoot. They know THE TRUTH about Obama; i.e. he is a properly qualified candidate for POTUS. They don't want Frank and the rest of us to know the truth. WHY NOT? They want to keep the Franks of the world wound up and excited. While Frank and the Obama rejectionists force the rest of us to expend effort and money denying that which does not exist, the RNC can continue under-cover searching out and concealing other truths. Frank, you are being hoodwinked. Don' be a victim.
I am so glad this stupid motion has been put to rest by the Supreme Court. I guess that's the way some people are, once you believe in a conspiracy, you keep on believing in it no matter how much evidence to the contrary. I suppose we are to believe that such an important thing was actually not looked into before Obama got the green light to run for president. Some people need to wake up!
Wake Up America,
Let me guess. You received your information from an email that was forwarded to you from God-knows-where or from some internet site written by someone you don't know, who has no first-hand knowledge of any evidence, but was instead "told" such-and-such, right? Because that is so much more likely to be accurate than reports in the legitimate press or statements by the State of Hawaii verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii, or an investigation by factcheck.org, an independent political fact-checking organization? Because of course it's far easier to believe that State of Hawaii would want to be complicit in a cover-up, or that Obama's grandparents would have placed a birth announcement in an Hawaiian paper at the time of his birth knowing, what, 48 years ago, that their bi-racial grandson would grow-up to run for President and that they would need to try to prove that he was born in Hawaii when he was actually born in Kenya. And that journalists - who, whatever you believe about their leanings, are really only motivated by one thing, the BIG STORY - would conspire to kill the BIGGEST STORY this side of who killed Kennedy, and that the Supreme Court would also be involved by striking down the court case. Yep. That's SO much more likely.
You might want to loosen your tin-foil hat, sport.
The Supreme Court made the correct decision. This complete nonsense by the lunatic fringe of the right must come to an end. The election is over.
And, for that matter, Barack Obama's opponent John McCain was born in Panama which makes John McCain a United States Citizen "born abroad" and not a "natural born citizen".
My fellow Americans..in the coming months and years we will see these old cronies and status quos try to pour Haterade on this new era of Change..don't believe the HYPE!
I guess when he was Senator it did not matter but now that he is President elect Obama some idiot is attempting to question his citizenship. How stupid.
I was born here and also my parents, however, we came from Africia and if my son, grandson became President of the USA would that make him not a citizen of the USA?
CNN please post
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): A person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to non-citizens who "are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity" is automatically a citizen.
"The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words ["citizen" and "natural born citizen"], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'"
This case alone sheds like that this lawsuit is bogus. Yes it was brought by a Democrat, but who cares? He's an idiot. The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. Find another conspiracy already.
Can any of you Morlocks produce your own original Birth Certificate? No you can't. You can only get a certificate of Live Birth. The state keeps the original.
You subterraneans really annoy surface dwellers.
I believe "natural born" citizen means you must be born in the U.S. or one of its territories and receive a Certificate of Live Birth from a state/territory. A person is not a "natural born" citizen if they have immigrated to the U.S. and were "naturalized" as a citizen. That being said, Obama is a "natural born" citizen. BTW, was "natural born citizen" even defined in the Constitution? If not, my way sounds correct
Also, Obama's birth certificate (aka Certificate of Live Birth) is posted in a gazillion places on various websites. For all those who say "let's see it", go see for yourself. And please keep in mind that all birth certificates are not the same. The one posted mirrors that of other Hawaiian-born citizens.
For those who say: "show me the original", well I couldnt' show you my original. I believe it disintegrated (i.e. fell apart) it was so old! So I, like millions of others, including Obama, had to order a new one from Vital Statistics. They have an original on file, but it is not a document that can be obtained by a someone just wanting to see. Obama can't even receive the original. So please, enough with the conspiracies!
The interesting thing is that a lower court BLOCKED the viewing of Obama's birth certificate at his request.
What does Obama have to hide????
The simple thing to do is to display it and ALL of these questions are either answered OR they go away.
It this keeps coming up during his presidency, it could make him none effective.
I can't understand why these folks don't go onto the snopes and factcheck web sites to see for themselves. By the way, the phrase is "to all intents and purposes" not "intensive" as some of you seem to use it.
Hawaii isn't the "Real America" or conservative enough for the Neo-Con's?
The people have a right to know if their President fits the Constitutional requirements. I think Obama is most likely qualified. I say likley because his COPY of a certification of birth does not mention hospital or attending physician and that raises some questions. Then there is the question about how he traveled to Pakistan in the 80s when they did not llow US citizens to enter. If he qould just answer these questions, and release his college records like McCain did, I for one would be more convinced.
Cattlecar & co:
Get a life people. The right wing bag has clearly run out of tricks. Put yoursef to good use and for once start being the solution to the dire problems facing this nation. You know those problems that your "hero" W helped create and spiral out of control? Why not roll your sleeves and start working to get this country back on track instead of constantly looking for road blocks.
I am still waiting to hear the solutions you have for this country other than simply opposing anything Obama and dems say. We are tired of parties whose slogan is oppose, oppose and oppose! Help solve things for a CHANGE!
The 12th amendment to the US constitution states, and I quote"It is generally agreed that these constitutional provisions mean, anyone born on American soil to parents who are citizens is a "Natural born citizen". Elegible to someday become president. End of quote. Mr. Obama was born from a US citizen mother and of a Non US citizen father. That's make Mr. Obama not elegible to become president.
Let's see: John McCain born in..Panama. That's not part of the 50 states.
All you right-wing religious zealots, go skinny dipping of the coast of Alaska, i'm sure Sarah Falin will allow it.
All of you who question Pres-Elect's change: You're reading between the lines, he's changing Policies that Bush ruined.
John McSame voted the same as Bush 90% of the time, including the War. Yeah, some change that geezer would have brought if he stayed alive, since he's 78.