(CNN) – Joe Biden says he has some sympathy for George Bush after the president became the target of a shoe-throwing Iraqi journalist – but the Vice president-elect struck a tougher tone on Dick Cheney, the man he is set to replace.
“It's presumptuous to feel sorry for another man,” Biden told CNN’s Larry King in an interview set to air Monday night. “But I feel somewhat – I feel somewhat badly for him. I think the incident in Iraq was – was unfortunate, that guy throwing the shoes. It was just – it was just uncalled for and was – I think that President Bush and, unlike Vice President Cheney, is, upon reflection beginning to acknowledge some of the serious, if not mistakes, misjudgments that he made.”
Watch Biden on CNN's Larry King Live tonight at 9.m. ET
It’s the latest in a series of swipes between the current vice president and the man who will replace him, and stands in marked contrast to the largely complimentary comments President-elect Barack Obama and Bush have traded since Election Day.
Biden – who referred to Cheney during the campaign as one of the most “dangerous” vice presidents in U.S. history – told ABC Sunday that Cheney’s opinions on executive power were “dead wrong,” and had not been healthy for the country. He pledged to “restore the balance” between the president and vice president.
Cheney himself told an interviewer Sunday that "if [Biden] wants to diminish the office of the vice president, that's obviously his call."
In response, the vice president told FOX News that "if [Biden] wants to diminish the office of the vice president, that's obviously his call. President-elect Obama will decide what he wants in a vice president and, apparently, from the way they're talking about it, he does not expect him to have as consequential a role as I have had during my time."
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Joe Biden is going to be a terrible VP- he thinks he has so much experience and can help out so much... If we wanted him in the whitehouse, we would have made him the pick. Joe- go sun yourself in a faraway land for the next 4 years so we don't have to be bothered with you!
Cheney definitely had a consequential role, as VP, running the country. Unfortunately, we will be paying the consequences for that for a long time to come!!
I think exactly the same. I just think that Bush is a poor manipulated guy, but likeable enough to be spared. But I also think that he's been manipulated by Cheney, Daddy, Rove and the others, and those are nothing but awful, stinky and cynical politicians.
But W is quite sympathetic... the wrong guy at the wrong place, and also at the wrong time (but quite unable to do anything for his country, I'm afraid).
I have NO sympathy for either of those TWO WAR CRIMINALS.
Both Bush and Cheney are fools, and Biden was absolutely correct about the role of vice president as clearly spelled out in the US Constitution. Cheney simply had too much power and too much influence. Bush wasn't president...Cheney was!
Here's some free advice, Joe: Shut your yap and get to work.
Cheney has been more than consequential. He was directly responsible for much of the violations of the Constitution imposed by the Bush administration. He belongs in prison, and I am not just whining and anti-Cheney. He seriously should be tried and arrested for several different crimes.
Wow, a battle between two half wits-twiddle dum and twiddle dumber. Cheney deserves nothing less than to be tried and convicted of his many crimes but so does Joe Biden. 30+ years of criminality, lack of ehtical behavior and hypocrisy. I voted for McCain but support Obama 100% except for his poor choice of Biden as his number 2. Obama better stay healthy.
Bush/Cheney did nothing but ruin our economy and are leaving office laughing their heads off, Haliburton will take Cheney back, Bush will never ever have to pay for anything since he gets FREE PERKS as an ex Preisdent, yep laughing all the way to the bank these two, Merry Christmas America from Bush/Cheney.
You're too nice, Joe. I don't believe Bush has one iota of remorse about allowing 4000 of our service people to die needlessly, nor about the 9-11 attacks that he was briefed on before they happened and did nothing about. Nor about his ineptitude after Katrina. How many times has he said "So what?" in response to questions lately? That is their attitude: "The American people don't agree with what we did and are doing to wreck the country...so what?" His only regret is that he was unable to snow the people forever, thus making this fairy tale version of his Presidency necessary. I pray the new administration holds them accountable for the war crimes they have committed in our names.
We all know Bush was the puppet, with Cheney & Rove pulling his strings, and to some degree, Biden is right. GWB was, unfortunately, not really smart enough to know any better.
I only hope our Secret Service can do the job they need to do to protect Obama and Biden. There are those who live among us, right-wing racist zealots, people who pretend to be "pro-American" as Failin Palin so fatuously put it, who will sacrifice our country just so that Obama can not succeed.
Cheney is a lying, cheating, manipulative scumbag. And Bush is just plain stooopid! Karl Rove...send him to prison for life, please.
I agree with Biden, regardless of what we think of Bush's policies he's still the current President of the United States. Cheney should be charged with stupidity and be sent to prison.
This is for I KNOW THE TRUTH POSTED @ 2:08PM
SORRY DUDE, VP JOE BIDEN WILL NOT SUN HIMSELF IN A FARAWAY LAND MAYBE YOU SHOULD, BY THE WAY GOD FORBIDE
YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
This is going to be a very interesting 4 years. Obama and Biden talked the talk. Forgive me, but I don't know if they will walk the walk.
Love you VP elect Biden.
Here's some free knowledge, Dee: Joe hasn't been sworn in yet. Cheney still has free reign to screw up the country until January the 20th.
Cheney can't really say anything given that he can't figure out where the office of the VP is. He's no gentleman and should be question with penalties of purgery about what he authorized and was aware of when it comes to torture and faked information that led us into Iraq.
Biden has some level of integreity. At least he admits when he makes a flub.
I THINK HE SHOULD KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT..WHAT GOES AROUND CAN COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU..LETS SEE HOW GREAT YOU ARE IN A FEW YEARS....
Dee – shut your pie entrance, dinklewad. Biden – yes! Cheney the F-Bomb Czar – No! Stick that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it, Yogi.
Bush may be sympathetic but that's because his denial is so great, and his arrogance so obviously misguided. Cheney has made sure his cronies in the oil and gas industries as well as his former employers all benefited from the so called war on terror and the occupation of Iraq.
Cheney is dark while Bush is merely dim, know what I mean?
Shut up while you are ahead Joe.
Mother: what consequenses?
Mari: shut up
Former Repub: France is calling you traitor.
Dee: He doesn't know how to shut up.
Going to be a fun 4 years. I can't wait until they are humilitated.
I think the shoe throwing protocol would be a good way for the politicans to express their disapproval of bank executives. When the bank executives are testifying before congress ( who must be reminded they represent the public), throw a shoe at anyone who refuses to answer questions about being accountable.
Everbody is now asking for a bailout because they know that you don't have to pay it back and you don't have to be accountable for what you do with it– free markets now turn free money.
Cheyney looks evil....I think he ran the country while poor stressed out George was in a drunken slumber.....Stone faced Cheney is a terrorist....
Ye Ye Joe all you said might be the truth but remember your VP role is just around the corner and very soon we will be saying what we think and feel about you, all I can say for now do not get too confident because if you where so perfect you would have been the Democrat norminee not Obama.
The best thing Biden can do is keep his mouth shut!
As long as Biden has America's best interests in mind, he will be a better president than Dick Cheney, who was mainly concerned with consolidating money and power to himself and his friends who have been and are continuing to manipulate the United States to their own ends, at the peril of the Citizens of the U.S.A.
The Cheney / Bush Sr. / Wolfowitz, etc., PNAC crew should be treated as a foreign invader, attempting to destroy the United States from within.
I do believe that Bush Jr., was chosen to be a puppet to his father and his father's crew's decidedly un-American, evil plans.
I think Joe Biden was an excellent choice for Obama, especially considering the group he had to pick from. The thing with Joe Biden is "what you see is what you get". He indeed can and will contribute a lot to the administration. Obama and Biden have taken more critism since election day than Bush has had in his entire 8 year administration (well, maybe a little exaggeration), but you get the point. They did not create the mess we are in and they should be afforded a little time to come up with solutions to get us out of this mess. Thanks goodness Obama and Biden has more confidence in the American people than some of the American people seem to have in them. Obama+ Biden = peace and prosperity.
Save your 'sympathy', Joe; because the country IS STILL being destroyed by those two ignorant, arrogant and INCOMPETENT LOSERS!
As part of the leadership of America, Joe, YOU SHOULD BE HOLDING BUSH & CHINNY ACCOUNTABLE for the wanton destruction of American lives, limbs and mental health, along with hundreds of Billion$ in an UNPROVOKED WAR!
So save your childish sympathy and DO YOUR JOB to preserve and protect the US, its people and the US Constitution.
Both Bush and Cheney are unrepentant liars and criminals unworthy of any sympathy.
Biden talks when he shouldn't. What does this type of conversation do for the Obama administration? What point does it serve?
I think Bush was just unlucky, 9/11, Katrina and the Economy happened because of mother nature, terrorists and greedy CEO/worthless o nothing congress. The failure of Katrina was not in Bush's response, but the failures of the departments to be prepared and react. It would of happened whomever was President. Bush's major mistake was Iraq. Other than that, I don't see how Kerry, Gore,
Clinton, Obama, Reagon, etc would of been able to do much more. Maybe we all need to take our shoes off and throw them at members of congress and executives. BTW, what happened to Made in America? We have been outsourced to China over the past 30 years.
Anyone who style themselves as 'I know the Truth' obviously does not.
As for Cheney, hanging for from a yard iron will be too good for him.
I hope he travels a lot...
WATCHOUT JOE, IF YOU FLIP DICK " DARTH VADAR" CHENEY, THE BIRD HE WILL SAY THE SUN WAS IN MY EYES AND PULL THE TRIGGER YOU KNOW HOW HE SHOOTS FIRST AND PLAYS INNOCENT LATER FROM THE UNKNOWN LOCATION HE IS.
Wow Joe Biden has an opinion. I didn't think he was allowed since he is such a buffoon....
Biden is a good man with a big mouth than runs on and like a broken clock is right a couple times a day.
He is a thief, a liar, and a traitor. I leave 'murderer' off the list because he didn't actually pull the trigger (except when shooting his friend in the face) and murder hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. However, his lies sent our men and women over there to do it for him, all while lining his pockets. History will judge you harshly, Cheney. By the way, it takes a special kind of bastard to marginalize his own daughter and work for the party which is trying to codify prejudice of her lifestyle. And Biden, hold off on the empathy for Bush- this criminal is still hurting us on his way out. And he's about to pardon all of his cohorts. He's waiting until the very last minute, so he won't have to hear the howls of protest. I hope with all of my heart that these two get everything that they have coming to them.
@ Denise, you think we are outsourced now wait till they raise the capital gains tax.
I wonder how many people will feel sorry for Obama four years from now.
i have the up most respect for mr bush, he stands for everything he believes
No matter how you Bush or Cheney supporters try to ignore the issue this administration have not served the people well. Just simply look at the global financial crisis. These guys were a sleep at the wheel and there is no other way that any one talk around the issue. Secondly, Bush is out his league with regards to being President and Cheney is simply a pathetic human being.
mr vice president elect. i eagerly await your newly created david letterman segment weeknights for the next 4 years
God love ya!!!
I couldn't agree more with Biden!
I think Bush was not the power behind the throne that was Dick Cheney and Cheney is one awful specimen....arrogant and a bare faced liar.
Although I definitely don't think Bush was a good President by any means in fact he was awful, I don't dislike him as much as Cheney and now there is man I actually loathe.
Bush will go off into the sunset and I'm sure he will ponder on his administration and how badly he's run it over the years and all the mistakes he made.
Cheney on the other hand will go about his business as if nothing wrong has ever been done by him!!! This man is so full of himself and he thinks he can walk on water....he really is evil personified to me and if I never have to see that sneering, cunning face of his ever again it would be too soon for me.
I wish I could be as smart as Joe Biden...
You have to wonder if Bush/Cheney wasn't in the White House after 9/11 if that Pres. would have done the same thing given the info by the advisors at the time. A President just doesn't declare war on another country on their own. The show throwing was idiotic and unprofessional of that journalist whom should have known better.
What is wrong with Joe Biden? He needs to shut his yap as a previous poster stated. Sympathy for Bush? Come one.. this man is responsible for the deaths of many people based on his lies and manipulation of intellegence to carry out his goals. If there is any sympathy that should be dished out here it should be for all the soldiers and their families who were sent off to fight George Bush ill advised war of agression...many of whom are dead or disabled. Also the thousands of ordinary Iraqi's whose life have been turned up side down thru no fault of their own. So Joe, you need to shut your yap. Before you got nominated as VP, word was that you talked too much. I gave you the benifit of the doubt, but you are proving the naysayers right. Unless you have to eat or say a guiding word to Obama, please shut your yap Joe!
I don't feel sorry for either Bush or Cheney. Both are war criminals and liars and the justice system system of the new administration should put them in prison for life. This country has been taken to a point so low that it will never be AMERICA again unless these two and others are placed behind bars and a drastic change made to reverse thier terrible deeds.
Bill Hewett
Funny! Now I dislike Biden even more.
JM
In the 9 administrations (not counting the 2 termers) in my lifetime that I was old enough to remember and understand I have never seen a vice president with as much power as Cheney.
What a sore winner. Hopefully only four years of this guy.
I have to disagree. I dont feel bad for either of them.
What is going on with his face. Way to much Botox and eye surgery.
It is hardly surprising that Cheney thinks a criticism of himself is a diminishing of the office that he has criminally abused. L'etat c'est moi is a fair reading of Dick's view of Dick. And, of course, there is no sympathy expressed by Dick for the poor fool he has led around the lethal merry-go-round for eight years.
Go Joe. You shine.
Bush was the RIGHT man at the right time.... can anyone really say we would have not had several 9/11's by now if Gore had come to power??? I shudder to think.....Gore would have been an appeaser and a poll-follower. Bush stuck to his convictions and principles... and Thank God for that.
For all you Bush-Cheney bashers out there.... do you really expect us to be quiet when Obama and Biden start to make mistakes????? God knows they will.......
Cheney and Bush were terrible leaders, and the both of them should be tried for treason and war crimes.
How can you feel sorry for Bush when he AND Cheney testified while holding hands behind closed doors for the 911 c'omission?"
and why haven't their testimonies been investigated and made public?
common CNN quit practicing yellow journalism!
No doubt about it, he's correct. I feel more sorry for the people of the United States. We are left with a huge mess to clean up. Dee – never blog while under the influence of ignorance. Oh, and Gen. Patton – it's one thing to have people suspect your ignorance, it's another to blog and prove it.
Dick Cheney is an unrepentant, evil 'man'. I honestly hope he gets his just deserts one day.
Joe Biden, I feel sorry for you, you are a complete idiot and a person that has no resepct for the president or the vice president. I just hope you and your buddy obama dont screw too much up in the 4 years you will undeseverdly have in office!
Well, Joe, did the words choke in your throat when saying all that gibberish? Your quotes made you sound as incompetent as everyone says Sarah Palin sounded. I am sure that Mr. Bush doesn't want or need your sympathy. While I was not pleased with all that Mr. Bush did in his 8 years, he has kept us safe and has kept his eye on that goal since 9/11. Even those who hate him have that to thank him for. Save your sympathy, Joe, for Obama and yourself in 4 years.
Joe is just sore at the shoe that Dick throw at him during the fox interview Sunday.
When history tells the story of the Bush years, it won't be bad. Even though the bush haters in the media say it is.
I think Bush has some great qualities. Do we blame Tune in, drop out & turn on of the 1960's on Nixon? What we have had happen recently in our the world of economics was not an act of God but quite the opposite and that is called greed. Bush is our President not God or greed. Even the Churches should have been screaming for the peoples sake long before the markets crashed.
I've no sympathy for either ...
Don't feel bad for George Bush. He'll be just fine with his millions at his new house in Dallas.
Yeah, Cheney's had a "consequential role" alright. Negative consequences. He is most definitely evil.
Bush and Cheney should both answer for the wrongs they have done.
I disagree that throwing the shoe was uncalled for. I would love to throw a shoe at President Bush.
And I know alot of other Americans, that would like to throw a shoe, a sock, a rock, a vase and probably alot more at the worst President in the history of the world
Who's Cheney?! Oh yeah.... our MIA VP who has been WORTHLESS. What the hell has he done in the past 8 years?! Seriously people, take a good hard look at his record and tell me ONE thing he did during this administration. What was his role (other than staying in hiding and going in-out of surgeries), what was his agenda, what were his priorities???? Not only will Bush go down as one of the worst Presidents, I can also say that Cheney was one worthless VP.
Interesting, Biden is correct and was correct in calling Cheney a danger, the man (Cheney) is very much a danger to America and all it stood for in the past. I do not agree with Biden about Bush however, he (Bush) deserved more shoes then the two thrown at him. What he and Cheney have done to the World is disgusting to say the least. Biden is a good man and to me I wished more people would speak out against such dumb*ss as Bush and Cheney. They both have really done this country a major disservice.
One man went to war. The other became Vice President of the United States of America. Both were never heard from again!
If they indict before the 1st night will that mean the Biden becomes
the President. Does Obama have to be sworn in before
Biden can be President?
You freaking bleeding hearts wouldn't know a war criminal if it bit you.
Get your head out of your rears and grow up! The world is not going to love us anymore than it ever has. The only way to get all these crazy terrorist to love us is to convert to Islam. I say if they want a Jihad lets give them what they want.
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If there is a hell, Cheney deserves to rot in it.
I don't feel sorry for Bush or Cheney. I feel sorry for the families and souls of 4,000 brave soldiers and 100,000 innocent Iraqis who died in an unnecessary war that never should have happened. How these two incompetent leaders sleep at night is beyond comprehension.
Cheney is unable to reflect, much like vampires and other blood suckers.
I agree with SUE....
But DENISE !!!
outsourced to China, your right.....but WHO'S Fault ???
The Republicans, of Course !!
They didn't know it was the American Worker got them to where they are !!! So, they will continue to be greedy !!
Larry C.
Houston, Texas
People will soon realize it was crazy cheney running this country and dumb, dumb bush was the puppet. I'm glad both of them will be gone for good. President elect Obama and Vice President elect Biden will get the country back on track for the good of ALL PEOPLE, not just the chosen few.
I don't disagree with Biden very often, but I do here.
Bush is no more entitled to our sympathy than Cheney.
They are both liars, incompetents, and war criminals. I hope that the International Criminal Court comes after them and that we turn them over.
I agree with Biden. However, I find cheney a vile and ruthless person who I'm very glad will be replaced. I hope that indictments will follow after he is removed from office! I feel no sympathy for bush who is one of the worst presidents in US history!
I'm not crazy about Biden, but he's right here. This was his awkward and politically cautious way of saying that Cheney was the puppet master while Dubya was a simpleton puppet.
But thankfully for us, we have a PE who is smarter than his VPE.
Biden believe's in a balance of power, and not 'absolute power' as Cheney did. I'm glad Biden has the graciousness to moderate his influence. He's going to be a great VP – and Obama will be a great President. You "third-term" supporters need to got over it. If the republican picks were so great, then why did they lose?
Oh cut the crap Joe !! The same goes for CNN!
Denise,
You said "BTW, what happened to Made in America? We have been outsourced to China over the past 30 years."
Bush did have 8 years and the ability to change the the fact that all our jobs are going over seas and he chose to hasten the situation. We will get our jobs back one day soon when the economic collapse of this country is complete. The shoe will be on the other foot and China will be able to outsource the work back to us when there are no jobs left here and our people get desperate enough to work for pennies.
I feel no sympathy for either Bush or Cheney. It's really too bad neither will live long enough to see their names ranked among the very worst administrations in history. They're arrogant, mean spirited, vindictive, small-minded men who appointed other like-minded people. Neither man understood they were employees of "We the people". The rest of us were never even fellow citizens – we were merely subjects to be used.
While on the subject of Cheney, why hasn't the mainstream media picked up on the story about the small plane that crashed into an empty garage in Ohio? The pilot, and dead guy, was a star witness against Cheney/Rove regarding some missing White House e-mails and the firing of U.S. Attorneys. Not too long ago, the prosecutor requested protection for this man. Now he's dead. Check it out. Huffington Post has an article, or you can just Google it.
Anyone else remember that the Enron scandal also broke during the Bush watch?
Cheney still insists invading Iraq was a very good idea. That alone says everything.
I am in total amazement at all those out there who would rather have Cheney – using the "F' word on the floor of Congress and arrogant enough to think he, Cheney, gets to decide who "deserves" abuse.
Cheney didn't even have the guts to admit he shot someone – until the press started to ask questions ... Cheney, and his 5 excuses for not risking his butt in war but gleefully sending other people's children to fight and die!
Joe Biden , as VP, will be a candidate for sainthood after suffering for 8 years with a real Dick. As for walking the walk? Maybe give Obama and Biden a chance? They haven't even been sworn it yet!!!!!
Oh please – I don't feel a bit sorry for George – he let Cheney run the country into the ground while he acted like the "cock of the walk". I don't feel sorry for ignorant, arrogant, dunces.
Only an idiot would fell sorry for Bush. He has lied time after time and that is not the way of a fool but the way of an evil person.
The whole bunch of them are war criminals as well as domestic criminals. Look at how Bush defended Gonzales when he went before the Senate and couldn't recall anything other than his name.
Ship them all to the Haig and let the world deal with them for the damage they have done to the world.
Dick Cheney is evil incarnate. Anyone, anyone at all that believes in this undiagnosed sociopath does not believe in the man upstairs and is as greedy and inhumane as the man. I wonder if old Dickie's ticker would have held out if he had been waterboarded, "tick, tick, clunk"...we can only hope that the next time we see this criminal he will be sitting in a defendants box right beside his puppet.
Good riddance!
I have never cared for Cheney and know Biden wlll take his job much more seriously than Cheney ever did. Bush has been pathetic to the point I can feel sorry for him. He was never meant to be a President and definitely should never have been one. Actually, come to think of it, Cheney really was in charge.
Joe Biden, you are a moron. If democrats were in power, our country would have taken over by Jihadist. I want to thank both President Bush and VP Cheney for keeping us safe for the last eight years. You and your administration has performed beyond my expectations. I will remember it forever. I do not believe Barack or Joe has any clue of it. They are just a big mouth. Let the show begin.....
@Virginia
While I was not pleased with all that Mr. Bush did in his 8 years, he has kept us safe and has kept his eye on that goal since 9/11. Even those who hate him have that to thank him for. Save your sympathy, Joe, for Obama and yourself in 4 years
______________________________________________________Your joking, right? I think the reason 9/11 occurred was a result of George Bush's presidency.....Thank him for keeping us safe....He was in office when the attack occurred.
@ Everyman
But that would exclude you and everyone who voted GOP this year.
If he did not duck swiftly he would have been a victim of "sock and awe" missile attack. Poor guy!
To Denise: The issues of Bush's presidency were not bad luck. Prior to his taking office and prior to 9/11, many people who ended up in his administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowicz) belonged to a think-tank called the Project For a New American Century. Amongst other things they advocated toppling Saddam Hussein in order to begin spreading democracy (and capitalism) in the Middle East. They even wrote then-Pres. Clinton a letter urging him to take Hussein out. When Bush took office, federal authorities warned him that Osama Bin Laden was planning an attack, but his administration concentrated on Hussein instead, even falsely connecting him to Al Queda after 9/11. These were all planned actions, not bad luck. Katrina could have been handled better if his people weren't incompetent and too busy killing and displacing countless Iraqi civilians in a war that should never have been waged. All of these distractions kept them from seeing the oncoming financial crisis. A different president might have acted very different in all of these situations.
Cheney was a mistake and the Repugs are to blame!
Hopefully Bush and Cheney will receive 'shoe throwing' receptions for the rest of their days. That's what they have earned.
amen, Louis, amen
Biden is a Buffoon from the word go, it is going to be so entertaining to listen to the loose cannon bumble and fumble and bluster his way through the next four years it almost tops the gut-wrenching fear that through some horrible mishap this yahoo might end up as president. He compounds the fact that he's a hothead with the additional trait of being a loud-mouth, and as ignorant as anyone who has ever held the office, an old-school politician the likes of which we can someday hopefully lay to rest as part of a bye-gone day.
Yikes!
Bush just had a shoe thrown at him.
Cheney deserved a "cinder block"!
Bush has a lot of empanthy. I just read where he visited service people and the troops at Walter Reed etc. He did get a lot of bad advise and was a little to trustworthy in my estimation. I think the mad in decent and I think he's gotten a bad rap from the public and media.
I really never heard Obama critisize anything but Bush's way of running the war etc. which History will tell not all that has happened and a lot of events were not of Bush's making! I also think it was shabby of McCain and Palin to distance themselves from Bush like he was a typhoid Mary or something. Bush isn't stupid. Just naive.
Who cares what this loser thinks. He is about to make the Vice-Presidency even more insignificant that it already is.
If Cheney is guilty, then Bush is equally guilty of illegals wars, a ruined economy, erosion of civil rights etc.... I hate Bush and his entire administration of bagmen/women..... I hope they all enjoy the money they undoubtedly made by handing the country over the BIG OIL.... ROT IN HELL ALL YOU.
Frank- Then you must also hope that every member of Congress that voted for the war, including Joe Biden himself, will be charged by this "international court." Then again you are obviously a Liberal and therefore also a hypocrite and think your party's hands are completely clean.
W is an alcoholic nonentity who should never have been in power. Cheney is indeed dangerous – he's still dangerous. The two of them managed to damage the country in ways that were beyond imagination eight years ago – voters actually said that it didn't matter if Bush or Gore won. What a price to pay for cynicism. If that vote were held now, I wonder what the results would be?
To no incumbents in 2010 who wrote:
"The world is not going to love us anymore than it ever has. The only way to get all these crazy terrorist to love us is to convert to Islam. I say if they want a Jihad lets give them what they want."
While your emotional outburst disguised as reason may actually have some truth to it, the fact of the matter is, we went to war in Iraq for nothing remotely related to terrorists or a defense against Jihad. Every responsible and proud American is down for smacking down a Jihad of "crazy terrorists". But a half-baked invasion cooked-up and marketed by arm-chair warriors and intellectuals, with an ever-shifting justification (oil/energy domincance), is no reason for 4,000 proud young soldiers to waste their lives. Call a war crime a war crime.
Cheney was certainly a war monger
A lot of people need to wake up. The statement that Bush was a good president since we did not have anymore 9/11 style evens is so stupid and border line delusional.
If we take this statement at face value, then we can states that a foreign leader of any country that was not hit with a 9/11 style attack was a good leader and was the right choice at the right time?
Hello?!?!!? Do u people see where I am going with this? I can name many, many countries that are NOT Muslim and were NOT hit w/ 9/11 style events.
I feel sad for Bush, he is pathetic, but he still should be impeached. He ated above the law and interpeted it as suited his agenda,
Anyone who says that Bush deserved to get shoe thrown at him are simply not American. While none of us agree with the current administration's decision making, no one should support some idiotic journalist harming the President, no matter who it is. Like now we should all act like animals, throwing shoes instead using words to support our opinions? I laugh at the report where it was said that this reporter was beaten up and has not been heard from in a few days, he deserves it and anyone else who throws a shoe at the President (whether its Obama,Bush or whoever). There should be a sense of loyalty to the history of our country, Bush was elected twice by the people of America. Throwing shoes is for ANIMALS.
Cheney said West Virginians were inbred after WV voters were instrumental in getting him and Bush elected twice. He went on to say that he could say this about us since he no longer needed our votes. I just wish it had been him instead of Bush and both shoes hit their target.
Ha ha....some mental midgets out there still thank Bush/Cheney for ALLOWING us to get attacked on 9/11. As if it is some huge accomplishment to ALLOW your country to be attacked.
It only took FOUR planes to get past ye ole Bush/Cheney duo. The last time in hisotry america was attacked on it's soil by an act of war was 60 years ago...but that's where the similarity ends. See, 60 years prior it took 6 aircraft carriers and close to 400 planes to do it.
Moral of the story: Bush/Cheney are incompetent idiots, and some people celebrate their ability to fail and cause 2300 people to be slaughtered due to them being asleep on the watch! Worst President and Vice President in HISTORY!
I agree with Joe Biden, I too have some sympathy for Bush. I can't imagine being the butt of most jokes, having the all time lowest approval rating, and dodging foreign shoes. I would be miserable. As for Dick Cheney, I would not want to be caught in a dark alley with him. The man is scary!
No sympathy for either of them – yeah Bush made a lot of misjudgements. You say misjudgements I say screw ups; potato – potatoe.
Sorry for Bush? Shoe throwing uncalled for? Bush is responsible for the spilled-blood of half a million Murdered Iraqis, most of whom were innocent women and children. And what of the suffering of the millions of Iraqis who were left to survive? And if your jingoism prevents you from caring about those foreign people over there what about our 4000 dead and over 20,000 injured U.S. soldiers? Shoes thrown at his head are very little insult compared to what Bush deserves. Bush and Cheney have each earned both a War Crimes Tribunal and a shoe-print to the face.
How about all those innocent Iraqis, do you all feel sorry for them, too?
yep GRITS, we are definitely in a 8 am to 5 pm thing, here....
I think you're right !
Larry C.
Houston, Texas
Bush and Cheney don't deserve sympathy. They belong in prison for war crimes.
In my estimation, Chaney and Biden are both quite a bit meaner than their respective Presidents.......which accounts for the constent sniping Chaney and Biden are engaging in......
Feel sorry for Bush or Cheney? No, nor for anyone who continued to support their lies, fear-mongering, torture, and their policy of pre-emptive killing. Why are they not being held accountable ? They are traitor to everything America is supposed to stand for-and thousands of people are dead because of them. Oh, they put themselves and whoever does their dirty work above the law. They do not have to worry about being tortured, or put in the gulag they created, or face judgement in the kangaroo court they created.
Punish Dick Cheney. He deserves to go to jail.
I know the truth December 22nd, 2008 2:08 pm ET
Joe Biden is going to be a terrible VP- he thinks he has so much experience......
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You know the truth......but you can't post the facts.
What a loser!
I was surprised to read the harsh words that are being volleyed between The Dark, and Good Force. It's entertaining to watch, but I'd rather Joe talk in more depth, the goals that have been defined in the first half of Obama's first term. Americans already know Cheney doesn't care what people think of him, he'll lock himself in a 10K acre ranch with his Saudi buddies, and belly dancers and laugh at the rest of us, as they count their earnings in investments of Chinese toy manufacturers who ship lead toy's for US children. Thanks Dick, don't shoot the rain deer, because Santa left you a brick of coal.
@Kevin in Ohio: You are one serious neo-moron. You make it up as you go - fairytales to fit your "mood" - typical rightwing sewage overflow. The ONE fact that we know is that 9/11 happened on the watch of YOUR idiot-in-charge. Since you are so interested in stories, let me tell you one - one that is much more probable than the baseless story you tell, given what we know now: Not only would there not have been several 9/11s under Gore's watch, it is likely that there wouldn't have been any at all. You see Gore and his people would have been much more likely to actually pay attention to and follow the evidence of an upcoming attack that existed before 9/11....evidence that was all but ignored by the yahoos hired by the ignoramous YOU elected to office. Your dink-brained President was at the time too busy following his conviction on reviving Star Wars. Yes, he stuck to his convictions alright, the WRONG - dead WRONG - convictions. And what again was that "conviction" that led us into Iraq????
And no, I do not expect you to be quiet under an Obama administration. You rightwing empty wagons were mindlessly flapping-at-the-yap all during the Clinto adminstitration as he dragged your ingnorant behinds kicking and screaming into a prospering economy. Vacuous drivel...that is your nature.... it takes no brains.....and I'd expect nothing less of your ilk in the next 8 years. At the very least, you serve as a reminder of what America would be like if the terrorists won.
UMMMM...PARDON ME????
HOW ABOUT BIDEN'S MISJUDGEMENTS?
The sooner we're rid of Cheney, the better. I hope his mind and body survive long enough to absorb the slings and arrows sure to come toward him and his legacy of political chicanery. He makes Spiro Agnew look good.
Let's see...history will be kinder to GW but Obama is already about to be indicted? I see Rush and his hate-mongering right-wing radical radio friends have been at it again.
People who say history will be kinder to GW have NO IDEA the magnitude of incompetence he has displayed. The damage he's done (with Cheney's help) is far greater than Nixon's and Nixon never HAS been remembered fondly as far as I can see...at least HE had some foreign relations success to fall back on.
Not until people have to stand in line to buy beer will these "couch intellectuals", the people who will make sure history remembers GW fondly, start to REALLY feel the pinch.
cheneywas president 41/2 years bush 31/2
Mr. Cheney is one man I will refuse to fly my American flag at half-mast for when his time comes. I think a star-spangled pig-roast would be more fitting.
Chenny will pay no price for his actions only because he is in US, we dont hold our politicians (specially the ex-politicians) accountable. I dont know what to say about President Bush, It is unfortunate that we dont have an IQ test for the poiticians before the election.
That's the Christmas spirit Joe!
Big Ed – Your post does an enormous amount to display YOUR uncanny insight. Not. For ignorance you might look to Fenarkleman.
Mack – Of course. He hasn't been sworn IN yet. Heaven forbid he should begin prep work in advance. Guys like you make America great!!!
My whole family and I would love to throw big ol' dirty work boots (soaked in cow manure and urine) at both Bush and Cheny and force them to stand there and take it. However, they deserve much, much worse for everything they have done to my beloved country. It will take a long, long time before we can erase their dirty deeds and evil war crimes. Go Obama. I pray he can get us out of this mess.
What's next Biden, you going to start talking about Cheney's mother too?
Grow up
You people just don't get it. We needed to be in Iraq for the sole purpose of gettting saddam, who killed thousands of his own people just cause they didn't agree with him, out of power. Then since we took him out of power we needed to be there, and still do, to keep stability in the country. Now that there is stablility we can start the withdrawl. I would say that the war strategy put together was not a very well thought out one. We should have secured areas before advancing.
A second note everyone seems to live under this notion that we did this alone. That is far from the truth. Just because Germany and France weren't on board doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't. These two countries weren't on board because they were making millions off the oil for food program and lookin the other way when saddam wasn't following the rules. Sometimes actions need to be taken and this was one of those times.
Joe go F- yourself.
Bush, Cheney, and all their Neo-con Amero-fascist cronies MUST be brought up on war crimes.
If they are not, then a great injustice will be done to history.
No one in the Bush regime is innocent. Habeas Corpus can only go so far... especially when they have revoked it.
Prosecute the lot of them. Now.
Under normal circumstances, i might feel sorry for Bush. His presidency is an unqualified failure. But, when I think of the anti-Dixie Chick mentality that he encouraged during his first term, then I realize that he brought his failure and the condemnation of a country onto himself.
I'm losing respect for Biden. Bush and Cheney were in this together. Why should the Chief be excused and not his subordinate?. Also, there seems to be evidence that his puppy may have come from a mother in a puppy mill. I'm not a crazy Peta person, but anyone who has a clue of the abusive treatments that dogs undergo in puppy mills would be more careful as to where their dog comes from.
Cheney is the equivalent of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons. His only contributions to the office of VP is a legacy of fear-mongering, abuse of power and lack of empathy. He and Karl Rove should get married.
To Kevin from Ohio! After reading the far majority of the comments here about cheney and bush do you get it? Vile, evil and ruthless!
"Dick" Cheney and Ronald "Dum" Rumsfeld blew it for the Bush administration. How these Nixon-era throw backs even got into the administration is a mystery...and I think will be revealled as the dark-side of the Republican party's machinations, one that destroyed the party itself.
Kevin in Ohio December 22nd, 2008 3:11 pm ET
Said:
"Bush was the RIGHT man at the right time…. can anyone really say we would have not had several 9/11's by now if Gore had come to power??? I shudder to think…..Gore would have been an appeaser and a poll-follower. Bush stuck to his convictions and principles… and Thank God for that.
For all you Bush-Cheney bashers out there…. do you really expect us to be quiet when Obama and Biden start to make mistakes????? God knows they will……."
Sorry, Kevin. No one can say Gore would have handled things the way YOU said. I DO know Al Gore went on to pick up a Nobel Peace Prize. Bush stared at a children's book, reading, stunned, when 9/11 happened. And no we don't expect you to be quiet when Obama and Biden take office. You're ALREADY all over them and they haven't even taken office.
I wish there was a way, when America is finally righted again, to leave people like YOU out of the benefits.
Why is it whenever you may disagree with someone your a "hate monger?" That has got to be the most over-used, disingenuous phrase ever. We have to start disagreeing without demonizing each other. Geesh.
@ Matt
YOU PROVE THE POINT.
Ken....are you....ummmm...how can I say it nicely....mentally challenged?
9/11 was PLANNED under Bill Clinton....for three years.....
What do you think all the terrorists just showed up on a vacation visa.
Read the report before you spout your ignorance
Biden is just being cautious with his quotes. We'll have to wait until after the inauguration for him to go back to his mean, loud, hateful ramblings.
There should be no pity for Bush; he is an arrogant egotistical narcissist who put this nation on the path of financial ruin.
I think Biden is very forgiving to feel sorry for Bush and I would count that as being very Christian.
I do not feel sorry for either of them, they both lied constantly in my opinion and that does not set me well with God I guess, but that is my feelings.
They have almost run this country into bankruptcy and neither of them think a thing about it, they do not care, at least they act is as if they do not care.
Bush could have raised the income tax on the richest 1 percent and they would never have missed and it would have helped tremendously to defray some of the debt.
First, if they had been smart enough and knew a little histroy they would never have sent troups into Iraq. That really hurt us economically.
If they had just remembered the problems Russia had going into Afghanistan, which almost run them into bankruptcy, and here repeat the same mistake in Iraq. It they think that Iraq will be a democracy in 5 to 8 years from now they are living in fantasy land.
Both should have been impeached and run out of Washington in tar and feathers.
"Gen Patton December 22nd, 2008 3:00 pm ET
Shut up while you are ahead Joe.
Mother: what consequenses?
Mari: shut up
Former Repub: France is calling you traitor.
Dee: He doesn't know how to shut up.
Going to be a fun 4 years. I can't wait until they are humilitated."
I certainly know you're not the REAL Patton. He was a patriot. You apparently are ready and willing to watch the entire WORLD collapse, to enjoy seeing candidates you wish weren't in office fail.
Get a grip on reality...we do NOT have four more years to keep rolling along the way things have been. PERIOD. Whoever is in there trying to clean up this mess had best be able to or you, poor Patton sir, will be begging for tobacco for your corncob pipe.
Bush proceeded with deep conviction of his antics, you should stay at home if you aren't ready for the highest office in the land, mayif you are given much, much is expected, both were evildoers
At least Pres. Bush has 'humbled' himself by acknowledging some (many?) mistakes......I guess living inside a protective enviroment for eight years can make one blind to the real truths going on outside.
It's just downright arrogance of Mr. Cheney to speak harsly of VP elect Sen. Biden. I like Joe Biden..and I think he can hold his own with Cheney....
I wouldn't throw a perfectly good shoe at Bush, but I'd sure take it off and wave it at him.
And OBTW, my ancestors came here in the 1700's and I've served my country honorably in the USN. So, Jay if my shoe opinion makes me un-American in your eyes, I just pity you.
I can have no sympathy for either of the two incompetents who are leaving office (but not soon enough) on Jan. 20. That will be the real New Year when we boot out the old and welcome in the new.
Those are the same "heroes" who stone women! !! We've traded our blood and treasure for their newly acquired freedoms. They can torpedo our pres while we can't say Merry Christmas. Oh, and while you're all singing praises of the shoe thower, don't be too shocked when a bomb goes of in a mall near you! You asked for it!
How about feeling sorry for us Americans that had to endure 8 years of those two inept, incompetent clowns???
isnt there a world court tribunal to punish individuals against crimes of humanity i.e iraq
Joe Biden has no place to be talking about Bush or Chenney. After they both leave the white house who do we have for president or VP?no one. All the exitment about Obama, is because he is the first African-Arab-American for president. Joe Biden, he is going to be all by himself, learn to duck for every thing the media going to throw at Mr. Obama.
@Kevin in Ohio:
"Bush was the RIGHT man at the right time…. can anyone really say we would have not had several 9/11's by now if Gore had come to power??? "
Of course no one could say that we wouldn't have had several '9/11's' by now if gore had come to power.... Just like who could say that we won't have several '9/11's' with obama in office...
The problem is the way Bush and his administration handled these events... they did nothing but deceive the american people and KILL innocent people.
They claim they allowed freedom to come to Iraq....but are they really free? They have a constant US military presence in their country...are being watched all the time....FOR WHAT?!?!? So we can push our great "democracy" on them? Come on people. get a grip.
Bush and Chaney BOTH screwed up EVERYTHING in this country...and we're going to have to deal with the pieces it was left in while those 2 bastards run around arrogantly flaunting their wealth in the faces of the American people.
Biden had the same access to Iraq intelligence reports as Bush, and voted to authorize the Iraq war. Obamanots, doesn't that make him a war criminal too? How about Clinton and Kerry who voted yes as well?
I used to really despise Bush, but at this point I have started to feel sorry for him. Not just for the shoe, but for the epic disaster that was his presidency. I don't wish such failure upon anyone (especially when you're aboard the ship he's captaining). In the end, I think he'll be remembered as a sort of tragic impotent figure.
Cheney is hard to insult because few words are low enough to fit him.
Saddam Hussain was hanged for his genocide in the Kurdish region.
What Bush&Cheney did was possibly spreading the words of Buddha and peace ,damaging a country, making several homeless, several become orphan. Are they not human beings? Whats wrong if one bids Bush a farewell with shoes. We the americans are wearing bangles and sitting at home. I would have been really proud as an american if some of our fellow citizens greeted Bush that way. He deserves it. Cheney should be prosecuted to the fullest for his lies.
Ken said it perfectly. This right wing freak show who has the stalker mentality, doesn't know when to shut up, howls at the moon when no one is listening or cares for that matter. What a total change for the better to have a good man like Biden who is about social justice, unlike Cheney who is about injustice. Yack on righties but you lost so much this year. And it will be more likely than less likely you will have a majority in congress for a generation. The majority has rejected you and put you into the minority where you truly belong because trash like you and Cheney don't and never did represent this country. Good Riddance!
Hey, "Roger", wake up.
The only sympathy I can bring myself to have is that his prison cell isn't warm enough. But first we need to get him in one. He richly deserves it.
Look Mr. Biden, get over it. Bush/Cheney...the real evil doers Whatever sympathy you have for Bush is misplaced...he wouldn't listen to those who knew, just those whose agenda he agreed with. You work for us so don't go getting all teary-eyed over those two or even Bush. Just do the job you are elected to do ethically, with honesty and intelligence.
We can do the rest.
Can't we ALL play nice in the sandbox?? Bush/Cheney had eight years of destruction let us home that Obama/Biden can fix some of it.
I think all parties can agree there have been serious mistakes made.
I have never seen this country in such bad shape, hell our gov. wants to tax non diet soda bt 18%
Peace Out
President Clinton had Bid Laden 'in his hands' and wouldn't let our soldiers go get him and kill him...if they had, then 9/11 would have never happened...so stick that where the sun doesn't shine!
Biden is best sequestered somewhere. Every time he opens his mouth, there's a shoe headed straight for it. He's not even VP yet and he's already challenged the terrorists to try to attack. Even if he did affirm that Obama's response would be strong and positive for the US, inviting a test was really stupid.
Ken at 3:53 – YOU ROCK!! (And you're pretty darn intelligent on top of it!)
Sympathy For The Devil. Rock on.
I am an American first and the fact that a shoe was thrown at my President is disturbing to me. He still is , unfortunately my President. I can hardly wait for him to be gone, but just think about where the US of A has shrunk to?What has happened? Why did we allow it to happen? We are all guilty of this crime! It is time for us all to look in the mirror and be truthful. An Ennglishman once wrote .... to thine own self be truthful. My gracious we have slipped, have we not?
I too feel sorry for Bush but after all Cheney was HIS selection and now he must deal with the consequences. It's truely sad how low this country has sunk under these men. We have no credibility in the world, to say the least about having any allies. Our country was once held in high esteem and now we've been reduced to having shoe's thrown at our president. I cannot recall any time when this country was so divided as it was under these men. If anyone thinks that the future admistration will be worse than the last 8 years, well, I just wonder what color the sky is in your world.
"....apparently, from the way they're talking about it, he does not expect him to have as consequential a role as I have had during my time."
Hitler was consequential; so striving to be consequential is not, in and of itself, a laudable goal. But for the vacuous perhaps so......we see now what Cheney's political goals were - and striving to be the most consequential is called "country first"? This pathetic turd-burgler serves as an example of what the country would be like if the terrorists won. This guy has been full of himself ever since he dodged military service.
Thank God the American people came out of their stupor and elected a human being to office this time.....now we'll know who the president and VP are...no more rightwing puppet show, to see who is more "consequential".
I think we should just put them both in a ring so Biden can beat Cheney around the head neck and shoulders and cause his pacemaker to malfunction.
Hey, Al in Memphis....
If they fail, America fails, too. Why do you hate America?????
This letter is already written and will cause a national then international uproar including riots.
I president Bush
Pardon Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and anyone who has taken any direction from me since 2000 for any past, current or future allegations for anything and everything that they did during my presidential time period until January 20th of 2009.
This includes guantonomo bay, military, political or FEMA representatives.
Instead of the prison terms they deserve, this pardon will actually be called an humanitarian award for my legacy and history.
I think Biden's hairplugs are pulled a little tight.... he needs to go to the Dr. and get his noggin adjusted.
Now that Bush and Cheney are leaving too bad Hannity and
Limbaugh aren't leaving with them. Now there's two I really fear.
this country was fine until the dems took ober congress bush is ten times the man obama is just wait til he takes our army away and we find that terrorist are still here everyone will regret voting for him
At least we are friends with Libya again....
1 for Bush there.
FREE JAMES BROWN!!!
Obama will go down as the most positive president in the history of america at the level of lincoln. His priorities are for the people, its amazing how profoundly rare that is with past politicians.
Biden will go down as one of the greatest vps, but will also be known as a gaffe machine.
Obama is being attacked by the right for things he hasn't even done yet.
I heard someone say, "he hasn't fullfilled any of his campaign promises"
Incredible. AT least give him a chance to be sworn in before you attack his presidential decisions.
Joe's going to be a real ball buster. Good for him.
I think he'll do a good job keeping Obama in line
and the rest of the world too.
I like him...
To Roger:
How can you compare Biden to Bush? Have your ears been filled with cement and your eyes sewn shut these last 8 years?
I'm saddened and disheartened at what the extreme of both ends of the repubs and dems have done/will do to this country.
The funny thing is that all the mistakes that have been made when bush has been in office was because one party was in control of all the branches of goverment (legislature, exec) When one party had all the power they abused it and all this crap happened. Now we are headed in the other direction. This time with the dems taking over everything. Now, a whole new set of mistakes will be made by the OTHER party having too much power. When will America wake up and stop giving power to one party! This is how facism starts! Our founding fathers would be appalled at this!
A well- balanced government with power split among parties is the best way to go. When will America realize this???!?!! It's like you shoot yourself in one foot, and that didn't feel to good....So now let me shoot myself in the other. Geez.
Ken: "flapping-at-the-yap all during the Clinto adminstitration as he dragged your ingnorant behinds kicking and screaming into a prospering economy"
Right... and at the end of his presidency we didn't have a recession... and it wasn't any of his policies that lead to the sub-prime mortgage problem. And I'm pretty sure most of the planning for 9/11 occurred under Clinton, it wasn't an eight month operation... Besides you liberal nitwits [figured i'd call you a name since you don't mind throwing them out], never pay attentions to your own past history... I'm sure if there is another terrorist attack in the next year, you will all place the blame on Bush. On Bush... A man who made some mistakes, listened to some bad opinions, but... I think everything he has done in office will ultimately benefit America and the World [intentionally or unintentionally].
okay, then you are presumptuous, right? vp? idiot!
I say neither of them should be felt sorry for. They both knew what they were doing, and they are now defending their actions without shame. It's sickening. Torture.. War.. These are acts against humanity. Shame on both of these men and all those who carry their beliefs. A person is a person is a person; I don't care where they're from.
Ken is so smart. See how well he writes? He wants you all to notice. He should be running the country.
VP's don't do much of anything and are relegated to the forgotten dusty books of history. Just like dan quayle, so to will Cheney, and so too will Biden. Biden should remember that. He may not have nice things to say, but that doesn't really matter because those things will soon be forgotten.
I'm glad that Bush was president for 8 years because he kept us to be safe from horrible terrorist from Arabian place. Osama Bin Laden needs to be FOUND right away and I'm glad Saddam is dead because he was a MURDERER!! He killed innocent people in Iraq which was really UNNECESSARY!! He was an horrible evil.
Now, for Obama... the new president, I seriously hope he knows what will he do in the future. Of course, Obama will make mistake in the future... God knows. I don't like him and no matter what will happen in the future.
So good luck in the future.
It's time for the negative rheteric to stop and for you and Obama to perform. It's show time Joe. Put up or shut up.
@ Ken. Good God Man...Amen!
They are war criminals, but they have a place in heaven because they are pro-life and went to church every Sunday.
It is unblelievable that there are bunch of morons who think this way in 21st century.
There is no hell or heaven. The rest of their lives will be like living in hell in a mansion. If throwing shoe incident has not destroyed any part of their self-dignity, then they don't belong to human race.
Interesting that someone would blame Bush for 9/11 because it happened on his watch? Clinton had five or six opportunities to kill Osama and chose not to and Osama was the mastermind. So, how does that make Bush responsible?
Bush does not deserve any sympathy. He is the most arrogant and foolish president America ever had. He is responsible for the sorry state our beloved country is in today. Yet, judging from his recent interviews his motto seems to be : The buck NEVER stops here!
Hey Ken, when describing us ignorant republicans, you spelled ignorant wrong. What does that make you?
Mike in ohio? have you ever had a criticle thought in your life or do you just regurgitate Hanity and Rush? Go have a love child with Anne Coulter and leave those of us who actually love this country in peace.
Anyone who thinks Cheney and Bush are/were somehow better for America than Gore or our newly elected Pres and VP are simply delusional morons.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH FOR KEEPING AMERICA SAFE SINCE 9/11. All you people would rather critize all of the errors made, and withold gratitude for the positive. shame on you. always ready to blame someone. it took more than President Bush to mess up this economy.. and you talk about all the iraqi's killed in the war.. what about all the ones saved from Sadaam.. i guess you are in denial about that as well for those of you who believe Sadaam was better for Iraq..
I don't know if Joe knows the full story about the tax cuts – or if he does he is being quite generous with President Bush.
Ronald Reagan once said – "if it ain't broke don't try to fix it" but that's exactly what Greenspan and President Biush set out to do and boy what a mess they made.
Bush committed myself to the cuts before he knew the damage they would cause and then after he found out what the economic experts said in the bi-partisan trade deficit commission appointed by the republican congress, he turned around and ignored the sage advice of both party's experts – all outlined in Lester Thurow's book Fortune Favors the Bold (Thurow was one of the experts).
Ken
Couldn't of said it any better. Your post is insightful as well as eloquent. Now can you dumb it way, way down to .....say..... a sixth grade reading level so Neo Con evangelical republicans can understand what you said? I fear that they will just call you an angry left elitist. Because, in case you didnt know, being the elite at any one thing means that you "aint no good for this country and probly a terrerist"
I just wish the guy throwing the shoes had better aim. LOL!!!!!
Bush has not only ruined our economy, it has been a ripple effect worldwide. That is what the reporter was expressing with his actions. The US is hated around the world. Regardless of whatever manipulation was going on behind the scenes, Bush was the POTUS. The fate of our country, economy, & lives were in his hands and he failed us miserable.
Biden is a total idiot!
I laughed out loud when I heard about the shoe throwing incident in Iraq. Bush should feel lucky that it was just a couple of shoes and nothing more. I'm surprised, frankly, that it took this long for something like this to happen. He is a disagrace to this country and to the office of Presidency. Cheney is shameful and BOTH became irrelevent long ago....
People people people...you're missing the point. The biggest thing to be upset about is that both Bush and Cheney managed to reproduce and send their corrupt, evil and moronic genes off into the next generation. Now, couple that with our society's apparent love for last names and pedigrees (witness the Caroline Kennedy nonsense at the moment) and we might just find outselves with a 3rd generation of Bushtard in office somewhere. Kudos America.
Cheney has been consequental to our detriment, Cheny's former boss President Gerald Ford describes Cheney as PUGNACIOUS in his old age... IT is not the Vice President's role to push executive agenda through the Senate ( Separation of Powers between Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches ) The sole purpose of the Vice President as President of the Senate is to Swear in new senators, and to break a simple TIE, nothing more. Cheney is obviously just as bad as his Ford Administration co-worker Donald Rumsfield. What a disgrase these two have been, they're old enough to have know better... people of died because of Cheny and Rumsfield...
OMG! Ken's response to Kevin in OHIO is awesome! You rock my world. That's telling those right-wing extremists. To the RNC for already going on the attack on President-Elect Barack Obama, shame on you! Bunch of whiny losers. Your party needs to reach out to the new America, one that is far more diverse than your party is right now.
KEN......what the hell are you talking about.....for 8 glorious clinton years, while everyone was getting rich of the internet boom, (by the way gore created), we were getting attacked throughout the world, and yet clinton had the chance to KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN!! and DID NOTHING.....I PUT PARTIAL BLAME FOR 9/11 ON CLINTON....if he killed bin laden, like he should've, it would have been a lot harder for 9/11 to occur since he was the brains and supplied all the money for it.....so F**k Off
Since none of my stuff is going to get printed anyway, may I say this about that? Vitriol FEELS good, but is a vacuous compensation for powerlessness. Don't yell and scream at me or your parents- figure out a way to actually DO something. There are a lot of empty slots around town that one day might include you. It is nice to talk- it is hard to DO.
I reckon most of the folk posting come from comfortable homes. Reconsider HOW your folks bought you that car. Where did that money come from? Daddy was an investment banker. Daddy was a mortgage broker. A couple of your friends at school had to move because the bank foreclosed on their house. Connect the dots.
To Ken-
I think you need to get your facts straight on a few things and become a more "big picture" thinker. Let's just start with being a thinker and not a hater of Republicans at birth. We all know when 9/11 occurred. Honest question...do you think Osama and his buddies were planning 9/11 during Bush's 8 months in office or Clinton's 8 years in office?? Do you remember alittle terrorist attack on the USS Cole on 10/12/2000?? Whose watch was that, and what was done about it?? Maybe Bush's adminstration should've had the intelligence it needed to deter 9/11, but what's that say about Clinton and his national security ideals?? He'd obviously rather do nothing about Osama and Co. while disgracing the presidency by cheating on his wife with an intern.
And another thing...at least President Bush, whom I'm proud to have voted for twice, kept our homeland safe. He took the fight to the enemy. Would you rather have Saddam back in power? Would you rather American military forces not bring freedom and liberty to the Iraqi people?? Just answer if you would prefer having Saddam back in power so the Iraqi people had no freedoms in their lives.
The sorry thing about Ken is he doesn't see the big picture, he doesn't know the role of the United States in our world. We are the police of the world, we have to be. It is our moral obligation to rid of the world of hateful dictators; to try to bring liberty and peace to all those who seek it. You're a hateful little child Ken. You should really step back once and awhile and be thankful for the things you have in your life, because thousands around the world, aren't as lucky as you and I.
I don't feel sorry for Bush or Cheney. I feel sorry for the American public who were duped by these crooks in the GOP. I feel sorry for Obama and his administration that has to clean up this mess. Bush and Cheney should both serve time at a place like GITMO for what they have done to us.
Me thinks it's better to have Cheney for an enemy, because he shoots his friends.
Personally, there both "blow-hards, period! Biden's all talk,and Cheney's all Cheney,so whose to say if Bush is on his sympathy list? The next time you hear either speak about each other, they'll do a John Kerry,"whoop-di-doo",pathetic bunch all of em,...
Ken I think you are my new hero. That is the best discripion I have heard of the drivel we have been forced to lsiten to from the right in a long time.
Joe is right. Cheney deserves no respect at all. He's evil.
Bush ran for and then accepted a job that he WAS NOT QUALIFIED for. If this had been the private sector instead of a ROVE-driven-election-manipulation first in Florida, then four years later in Ohio, Bush would have been out by reason of incompetence. You can't make D's in college and then be good at anything... when's the last time you looked up to a D-Average Student as a role model or leader of any kind?
I'm sorry that Bush and Cheney won't be carted out wearing handcuffs.
Cheny is a deplorable human being, if you can even call him that - worse than even W. I'm fully convinced that the only reason no one has tried to knock off W. is because they knew than that we'd get Cheny, and that would be even worse.
Good riddance, and here's to the end of an error!
It's kinda fun to watch Biden all so full of himself and judgemental. I guess with all of this "OMG we won!!!!!" hoopla he can't contain himself. Enjoy it while you can. It's a sure bet you'll be stumbling all over your own tongue soon enough.
Biden is AN INTELLIGENT MAN something that the odd and phony couple lack of! BRAIIIIINNNNNSSSS
There is NO COMPARISON between a lier Cheney and the smart person ready to make the rights decisions!
Can't hardly wait until these loosers leave Washington. They were a disgrace to this country for 8 years and now they are leaving us with the worst economy ever! morons
As a republican I say Mr. Cheney is and was a deceitful untrustworthy
VP. That being said ALL politicians are untrustworthy due to the nature of the positions they run for. It's all about the ego and not the people. I wish I had 2 pair of shoes, one for Harry Reid and the other for Nancy Pelosi. Then again I would need a shoe store for the many other politicians!
I am sick of hearing all the judgemental mouths out there about anyone we put in office. After 9/11, this entire country was willing to defend it and kick some butt, and NOW we sit in judgement for what we asked for! Amazing, yeah we must be good at pointing that finger aren't we?
Right ON the money Joe..... Yes, I do too.
As usual, Joe gets it right. Bush is showing some signs of remorse and admitting he made mistakes, but Cheney could care less about America or Americans.
No one seems to have picked up on the obvious: what would have happened to this shoe-thrower anywhere else in the Middle East, much less in Saddam's Iraq? If there was ever proof positive that Iraq is a free country, there it is in spades. I think the guy who did this ought to be exonerated and get a medal. Was he beyond the pale? You bet! Should he be punished. Yes, slap on the wrist. But everyone ought to be proud of this entire performance, because it says so much about what has taken place. Iraq is finally a place where a guy is not afraid to throw a shoe in protest at a Head of State, none other than a President of the USA.
I didn;t vote for his daddy and I never supported bush or chaney.
So I feel no blame. I only pray that some day my grandchildren
can enjoy life as good as I have had.
Sympathy???? I have seen the Iraqi people "dance in the streets" twice since the war began. Once while hanging Americans on a bridge. Again after the shoe incident to the president of the U.S. I will never forgive the travesty of 4,000 american lives. If Pres. Bush were to ask honestly to a greiving family if their son/ daughter was worth removing Saddam. They would throw a shoe also.
@Ken,
Excellent response to Kevin in Ohio. Well said, and I completely agree with you.
Bush has much to be sorry for, but he's picking and choosing the things he thinks he made mistakes about, which may or may not be the same things that historians will evaluate him for. As for Cheney, he's a real crumb. Whether or not he is the worst VP is debatable, for there are many to choose from among. And at this point, we do not know, and may never know, how many times he might have deterred young George from even more demented actions. That he overstepped the boundaries of the VP position as Constitutionally defined there is no doubt, and that he served the corrupt anti-democratic forces of history with his secrecy and highhandedness is obvious. The main problem, however, is that the Bush administration has made outrage and disgust obsolete; on their watch, the country has become even more morally (and economically) corrupt than it was before them. Rather than restore integrity to the office, as Bush pledged, he has lowered the standards into the gutter.
In 4 years tell who was the worst VP. I bet you say Biden. He is so
dumb.
Bush was Cheney's puppet. The only reason I can't feel sorry for Bush is the smirks and the "I am the Decider" attitude he had. He wasn't calling the shots, but he carried them out. Cheney on the other hand is a despicable human being and should be charged for war crimes.
Actually, they both should be charged for war crimes, crimes against humanity and just being a–holes.
Obama & Biden are Gods next to the incompetent buffoons we've had to stomach for the last 4 years. You republitards are a disgrace to all rational thinking reasonable men on this planet.
Cowards, the lot of you.
"HOW ABOUT BIDEN'S MISJUDGEMENTS?"
yeah, like that plastic surgery. he looks like nicole kidman!
Roger December 22nd, 2008 3:54 pm ET
UMMMM…PARDON ME????
HOW ABOUT BIDEN'S MISJUDGEMENTS?
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What? A minor plagarism case from 20 years ago vs. Out-and-out seizure of (some) Presidential power against what the Constitution said he could have? A little crack of a badly-handled Indian joke about them and convience stores vs. a man who couldn't care less just about anyone and anything? "Misjudgements"?? Are you kidding me?! I see Biden as the anti-Cheney, a complete opposite who'll be what a Vice-President is supposed to be–a veteran supporter who can step in on a dime if anything tragic happened to Obama (God forbid). Biden seems to be a genuine, good man who can hold his own when giving an opinion if Obama asks him without overstepping his bounds legally, unlike Cheney in every aspect. In fact, I think Biden probably would've laid Cheney out on the floor if Cheney said the f-word to him. Joe Biden is a tough man. I also think he'd have some regrets if he did something wrong, unlike Cheney, who has none. It's unbecoming for this Vice-President to say what he did to a Senator, and beneath his office. Disgusting.
CONAN THE DELAWARIAN SCOFFS AT THE CHENEYBOT!!!!
I'm not sympathetic...they're worth millions.
Yeh, boo hoo! ...right.
Heres a quote:
"So".
Biden, get off of Obama's coat tails and shut up! So much arrogance from someone who has done little. How about donating more than pocket change to charity before telling the rest of us what we should be doing!
I find it interesting that the guy who said that people shouldn't be throwing shoes at the president has no problem with the guy who threw the shoe being beaten while in custody.
I have no sympathy for Bush. I do have sympathy for the American soldiers sent to their death, or to return home with emotional and physical damage they will carry the rest of their lives. I do have sympathy for the other countries soldiers sent to their death, or to return home with emotional and physical damage. I do have sympathy for the Iraqi people who had to endure an illegal invasion based on lies and enduring a country that we were unprepared to restore.
I love Joe Biden and think he'll be a great VP. Cheney has been absent for quite a while. Where is he? Yes, the Bush administration has made mistakes, but I truly think Bush did what he believed was right based on the information he had at the time. Time will be kinder to him, and it's nice that Biden can see that. I'm so tired of the extreme Bush-hating talk.
Common Joe, sympathy for Bush because he's a "rich boy fool"?
Am I the only person that thinks the current economic crisis was allowed to happen on purpose?Someone always gets richer at the expense of others.
TO ALL YOU OBAMA,BIDEN HATERS, GO GET A LIFE. YOU HAD 8 YRS WITH YOUR INCOMPETENT PRES/VICE PRES. YOU SHOULD NOW TRY AND GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE A CHANCE.
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR BUSH. HE "IS THE DECIDER".
HE COULD HAVE PARKED EVIL DICK SOMEWHERE TO
GATHER DUST BUT HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HE AGREED
WITH DICK'S MENTAL ILLNESS.
Bravo! Ken!!
Happy Holidays, America!
Dick Cheney is a war criminal who authorized torture, Dick Cheney engineered an act of treason that purposely revealed the secret identity of a CIA agent actively involved in the war against Islamic terrorists, and Dick Cheney remains on the board of Haliburton which made billions off of the Iraq war, and was given contract after contract without competition, and did such shoddy work, heroic US soldiers were electrocuted in shower stalls set up by Haliburton.
Dick Cheney is a criminal. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of US law, and failing that, should be the subject of 'Extrordinary Rendition' and sent to the Hague to be tried for crimes against humanity, like Milosevic.
Does anyone care what Joe Biden thinks? Dick Cheney certainly doesn't. When Biden says his big goal in life is to be in the room when President Obama makes a decision then you sort of have to feel sorry for the guy! God forbid anything happens to Obama. I can't imagine Biden as president with Pelosi really running the show!!!
Joe, we all know that you are a good Christian man. However, don't waste your time feeling sorry for a man who still believes that he made no mistakes. George Bush should have NEVER been President and there are over 4000 lost lives that speak to that.
Joe – Georgie was Lucky it was just a 'shoe'. To feel sorry for someone who had that 'horrendous' experience is laughable. Do NOT excuse him for what he did to millions of people because of his lust for Power. The regime of Hussein was HORRIFIC – but they did not bomb us – we bombed them!!! How does that make us better???Georgie and the Dick vilified a total country in their quest for power. NOW, who's suffering more – the Iraqis who detest us or our own citizens who hate our government?? Tell me true – WHO HAS WON this quest for super-power???
Let's see . . .
As anyone who wants to find out would know, there was an FBI agent who predicted the 9/11 attack and was hot on the trail of the perpetrators until he was labeled as 'crazy' and dismissed ('The Man Who Knew' a Frontline documentary) and the incoming Bush administration was briefed on al Queda but 'didn't want to hear about anything the Clinton Administration had to say'. 9/11 happened but to say that we haven't had an attack here because GWB made us safer is ignoring some very important things:
1. We've been attacked almost daily in Iraq since we made it so easy for terrorists to get into Iraq (never mind they weren't there before we attacked). Why come to the US to attack us when it's so easy and cheap to do it there?
2. Iraq acted as a buffer between two Muslim sects that have been fighting each other for a bit over a thousand years. Daddy Bush understood that, young Georgie didn't and Darth Vader Cheney didn't care.
3. Through laws already in place before W became President, funding has been sharply curtailed for these groups.
No matter how you try to spin it, George W. Bush will definitely go down as one of the worst Presidents ever. Don't know about the worst as there have been a few bad ones in office but it's been quite some time since we've seen anything this bad.
Reading Biden's words here, he is being vague and obscure with his thoughts. Biden won't come right out and say point blank what he thinks of Bush or Cheney really. Biden = typical politician.
What a dunderhead Joe is. He's a true waste of time.
It's going to be soo much fun watching the Right Wing smear machine try to take down Team Obama. Watch what intelligence in the White House can do for our country and our world. Just sit back and relax and watch for the next 8 years (please don't tell me you don't think they will be in there for two full terms...it's going to happen) and let Team Obama work their magic.
Most people making comments seem to not understand that a President and Vice President do not have all the power.
The power is balanced with the Congress and Supreme Court. So, if you want to throw a lot of mud, place it where it belongs and show some wisdom instead of foolishness.
Have a conversation that has legitimacy instead of non-sense. No wonder Obama was elected.
I wonder what happened to the shoes . . . .
Of all the people leaving government I will miss Cheney the least. The heck with shoes I think we should as they said on Dragnet "Thow the book at him"