another bush dont think so!hopefully george will be headed to the hague for war crime. for sure worst political famly ever bushes

The nerve of this guy. He is way too combative. I hope the folks in VA have other worthy democrats to consider.

Ernie in LA January 4th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Texas Teacher, you need to move to Alaska and shoot you a moose.
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Ernie, when you have to attack the messenger instead of the message, you have lost the debate. Basic rules of debate…

I give you credit… at least you didn't call yourself. idiot….or was that you?

I usually don't waste my time responding to such nonsense. Your opinion/s about me are none of my business. I know who I am and how to be in the world. So I do not need to defend my stance on any issue…. Agree or not, it's up to you… I really don't care one way or the other.

All I can say to the nay sayers…. is that if the truth hurts, let it hurt!

Repubs are the one who dug us into this hole….. now they need to get out of the way and let someone who knows what they are doing get us out! And that, my dears, is Barack Obama and Company!

the idiot January 4th, 2009 12:33 pm ET

Yes Texas Teacher and the NEA will lead the way just like it has for the last 50 failed years with the complicit support of the libs and ACORN to elect another union toady.
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Pitiful…. you just called yourself IDIOT… NOT ME…. *LOL*

I will not even dignify ignorant comments from the obvious…. what did you call yourself….idiot…. with a response! Watch out…. "your sheet is showing"…. I think proud american said that….

good luck..

He blew the 20 point lead Hillary had over Obama by having a non-strategy—-we don't need him anywhere in government— WE ONLY WANT "SMART" PEOPLE—NO MORE JERKS

I'm a Virginian, and I will not be quick to vote for anyone tied to Hillary Clinton or The Bush's.

With all due respect, Mr. McAuliffe is far too partisan for Virginia. We are a moderate state that respects good ideas whether they come from Democrats or Republicans. We do not tolerate the venom of national politics, and we will, no doubt, produce our own genuine Virginia candidate and keep the opportunists in their respective realms.

I hope he runs and I hope he wins. He's a good guy, and I think he would do a fine job.

There should be a minimum residency requirement, for all states, to stop carpetbagging trash. Stay home Yankee!

Oh My God — Will China claim us soon!

Is he going to run his campaign like he ran Hilarys? If so he souldn't waste his money.

Hillary Clinton lost the election, in part, because of people like this guy who couldn't see the steam roller coming until it was too late. What kind of foresight is this? Virginia can have him.

Another needlenosed,lipless Republican in Demos clothing.Thanks for Nafta, outsourcing and insourcing our jobs to India,and anyone else that would give him a bag of money.

McAuliffe certainly fits the Democrat's current mold for politics: crooks (Blago), shady dealers (Richardson), loudmouth empty suits (Reid, Pelosi, etc.), cheats (J Edwards), and incompetents (Schlossburg)…

This man is a drunk. Anyone who saw how he run Hillary's Campaign into the ground would have to be stoopid to hand him the entire state of Virginia to screw up. People of VA. watch out; tell Terry to take a hike.

Texas Teacher, you need to move to Alaska and shoot you a moose.

OMG the haters, we got your back terry! Go get em! Terry!

Rich or poor, everyone has a dream. Go for it!! This is the land of the FREE and BRAVE…

He'll make a great Governor.

@kushiro………….

Amen, nuff said!!!

What is it with the Clintons and carpetbagging?

McAullife, stay away from VA. We do not need or want your kind of politics here.

Go Terry

Something about him doesn't ring true, he won't be trusted and won't carry Virginia.

Terry, you have no chance my friend. Please save your campaign money and also tax-payers money. Economy is bad. This time we will have Republican Governor. We do not need Democratic Governors because we already had in New York (Spitzer), Illinois ( Blago) and now In New Mexico (Richardson). Do you want to join them? Also funny thing is only Democratic Governors or NJ, Ohio, etc are asking for one trillion dollars bail-out because they do not know to manage their state. They are now looking at Barack the messiah, for help. Look at the states run by Republican Governors. They are doing fine. They do not need Federal bail-out. We Americans need these rogues from Democratic party and Media including CNN puts them on the pedestal. Where is Wolf Blitzer… Is he listening…..

Just another treasonous democrap piece of trash. Proven Fact!

i don't have a clue, good luck virginia.

Vile hman being, Virginia deserves soo much better.

Mr. McAuliffe is probably one of the most disgusting and corrupt figures in the whole Clintons clan. Virginia, we still trust that your people could make a right choice this time (you did fail us with Obama).

So, let me get this straight, you really don't have to be from VA to run for Governor? This guy is a buffoon who knows how to swindle money away from people under the guise of political connectedness. I trust the good people of VA will know better than to trust this carpetbagging louse.

The only bright side of this situaltion was he was Chairman of the DNC when Al Gore & John Kerry ran so that says a lot about his political skill's. That he ignited the hard core leftist hate groups that populate this board shows a lot about his people skills.

As someone who supports Obama, marginally supports Clinton, but recognizes the Democratic Party as just as morally bankrupt as the GOP, I say, please, Mr McAuliffe, go away. Make your millions consulting, lobbying for criminals, and sucking up to corporate interests and famous people, but please shut the hell up and stay away from the actual business of legislation.

Terry McAuliffe would be an outstanding choice for VA governorship. He is a talented, tough, and cares about the people.

……..AND LOSE………

You have got to be kidding me. This guy is practically the US version of the Iraqi Minster of Information. He can't open his mouth without lying. I support the current administration and personally I would prefer if he was on the GOP side as complete fabrication of information is more of their territory

why are you keeping me in moderation for suggesting Terry is not appriopriate for VA governor…? cnn you are not foxnews clear the comment.

I cannot count the times I have read comments by "Texas Teacher"

All i can say is THANK GOD my children and grandchildren have all completed their education. It would be depressing to know that they were being brainwashed by people who are deciples of Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, Rasheid Kahalidi, Ward Curchill and others of that mind set, obama included.

Great. A carpetbagger who's going to pretend to be a real Virginian.

Note – George Allen is the anti-thesis of a real Virginian.

There is no way in heck that the folks from VA will vote this man into office.

i do not think he will win a governorship. i suggest he should he run for sheriff. he ran a very poor campaign that led hillary in debt to this day… are the people of VA ready to be led to the ground? another dempcrat yea not Terry.

me not being from Va. I wish them the best and hope if he wins he does a good job

I'm "Humored in Texas" by all the expert, after-the-fact political experts and keyboard commandos as it relates to McAuliffe's handling of the Clinton campaign versus Obama. Nobody, and I mean nobody, could have foreseen the Obama tidal wave of support coming, so don't kid yourself into thinking McAuliffe contributed anything bad to Hillary's campaign!

Look at it this way – if you want to know bad, elect the GOP, and they'll deliver bad in spades. They have sytematically allowed Bush and his crowd to destroy what had been built up and now the right-wing commandos are crucifying Obama when he hasn't even taken office yet! It must feel truly excellent to be blessed with such clarity!!!

If you fear the future under Obama, go buy a huge island, set-up your government and infrastructure, and then invite George Bush to come in and "manage" it for you – just like he did the three companies he owned/managed – right into the ground!!!!!!

I think he would be a fine politician some where in some position but he has no shot at being the VA Gov. Even though the state is now purple-ish leaning blue the republicans still are very strong at the state and local levels. Also, when it comes down to it, outside of NOVA, VA does not like transplants.

I don't trust this guy, so can't believe in his candidacy. I believe he contributed to Hillary 's loss due to some of the reckless statements he made during the primaries.

He helped to put Hillary's campaign off track, so even if he's in the running for Gov of Virginia, he'll probably end up shooting himself in the foot……unless he got some lessons from the Obama campaign!

Would love see Terry McAuliffe get Hillary Clinton's Senate seat. He's from upstate (Syracuse), and he and his entire family are beloved in Central New York. Countless volunteer hours, generation donations, good hearts, and VERY smart!

So if Virginia doesn't want him, I say offer Terry the NY Senate seat. As a matter of fact, don't wait. Do it now. He knows more than most about ALL of New York State (there's a great big state out there, NYC dwellers).

Terry McAuliffe is a dedicated and savvy public servant. Caroline can't hold a candle him. And be re-elected in 2010 by a huge margin.

"McAuliffe says as he looks directly at the camera."

Did Martina Stewart (the CNN writer) take this line from a P.R. puff piece? Where else would he be looking? Are we supposed to conclude that McAuliffe is especially rock-ribbed and dedicated compared to whatever Republican might run?

Nice artificial drama there, Ms. Stewart.

Democrats in Virginia already have two terrific HOME GROWN candidates who have been serving Virginia for many years — Creigh Deeds and Brian Moran. We don't need another Clinton retread carpetbagger.

Besides, what happened to Terry's attempt to run for governor in Florida? How'd that work out?

By the way, Humorless in Texas — the Virginia GOP already has its ticket, and it doesn't include Allen. The current Attorney General is the candidate for governor, and the current Lt. Gov is running for reelection.

I can't think of a better way to unite the Republican party in 2009. Terry McAuliffe has spent his entire career attacking. What experience does he have in building anything? It would be like Bill O'Reilly running for Governor of NY. Here's hoping Terry wins the nomination so Republicans can be united against him.

I am excited about Terry running for Governor. He will do an great job here in the Commonwealth. His ties to the Clintons can only help Virginia too!

Mr. McAuliffe is one of the most hyper-partisan, vitriolic men out there. I see no way he can be elected to office; he's just not attractive as a candidate, especially in a state like VA.

I'm a Democratic supporter, but I think McAuliffe is a douch.

McAuliffe's attempt to pretend to be bipartisan is a joke. He comes from Syracuse, and is just about the most partisan person in the country, after of course James Carvel.

Texas Teacher January 4th, 2009 11:26 am ET
As frustrated as I am with Republican style politics….

I suppose you prefer Blago's Democratic style? Just for acedemic interest, did you 'come together' and support Bush when he was elected in 2000, or were you part of the delusion 'he stole the election' clan?

Did he just announce that he will later announce his candidacy for VA governor?

I"m still a little disappoint with this guy for his behavior and comments at the democrat rules committe meeting last summer. I believe a lot of his comments about the President Elect will come back to haunt him. Just because you ran as a democract dosen't mean democrats are going to vote for you.

What a disaster…No thank you Mr. McAuliffe I don't think you will work …try something else to fail at.

Why anyone would vote for Terry is beyond me. If he couldn't run a campaign, what makes him think he can run a state. Clinton's campaign still owes a huge amount of money. I don't think the people of Viriginia will want a governor who makes mistakes of the magnitute that he made while running Hillary's campaign. Oh, wait a minute, maybe he did such a poor job because he was too busy thinking about his own candidacy?

Rob Stumpf = Let's all pray for this little Idiot.

This makes him qualified he worked for the Clintons,? Of late the bar has been really lowered for who is qualified for public office.

You people that are slamming Terry, no nothing of him. He wasn't the cause of Hillary losing to Obama. People just didn't want another Clinton in the White House so get over yourselves. If you think you can do a better job then it's your right to run for office. Just like I don't want Jeb Bush to run for the Senate seat that Martinez is giving up. Another Bush even near the White House makes my blood run cold and I live in Florida. People!!!!!! boycott Florida if Jeb runs for the Senate. He has plans to run for the President in 2016..After he left the Florida school system in a horrible mess and the financial mess. He went to work for a consulting firm that got bailout money from the Government…NO TO ANOTHER BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Terry, I supported Senator Clinton and I have followed you for some time now. I don't give my vote easily, but as a VA Resident. I will certainly research your credentials and listen to what you have to say as I always do with whatever candidate I end up voting for. Good Luck.

Good America can sure use you..

As a resident of Northern Virginia, a Democratic Party strong hold, I think he will have a hard time winning. I am an Independent who voted for Obama but I am not sure McAuliffe will be able to sway the voters the way Obama did.

Terry turned the DNC into a cash machine that lobbyists could deposit millions into and withdraw lots of favours. He's exactly the kind of Dem who I hope becomes obsolete now that the Clintons have lost.

During the campaign McA proved to be an "I'm right-you're wrong" idealogue right up there with the likes of any evangelical right-winger. Anybody that would vote for this kind of delusional personality should have their heads examined as well…

The average Virginian is more educated than the average American. The people of VA don't like incompetence. Terry McAuliffe is incompetent and therefore will not carry VA.

After what he pulled in the election…as a dem i wouldnt vote for him …he tried his best to destroy the party…shoot him down in the primary Virginians!

Way to go Terry …

Terry McAuliffe is a partisan politician and I'm sick of those guys. He was chairman of the DNC for god's sake. Tim Kaine has just been an awful Governor. I was proud of the accomplishments from Allen and Warner, but Kaine is just dreadful. If he plans to continue Kaine's policies and not work with Republicans and Independents then I have no use for him.

Deeds and Moran are almost no better. I voted for Bob McDonnell over Deeds in 2005 when he ran for Attorney General and I plan to again if he receives the Democrat's nomination. Moran is a strong supporter of any Democrat, no matter what, and that bothers me.

During his tenure as Attorney General, Republican Bob McDonnell has been a great bipartisan leader and I'm happy that I voted for him in . He'll make an absolutely fabulous Governor of Virginia. He's very bipartisan and he's a strong and capable man.

I look forward to McDonnell beating any of these loser's butts in 2009!

McDONNELL FOR VA GOVERNOR!

Laughable

texas teacher,,, i have seen your comments, for the past year,,,i want to say ,, i am thankful u were not mine,,, u lie every time.. who knows. it was maybe you on that knoll,, as i said , lucky you

Mr. Bill Clinton was a great President and he will make a great Governor for Virginia. He is a expert at the economy issuesand job creation. He will balance their budget and make important changes for the long run. He has learned from the past ( bj ) and will never go their again. you haters are just so sad, the great work he did to leave a surplus for W

What a shocker! Another Clintonista trying to get to the public trough. Bet he dodged sniper fire as well.

What happened to Kane? Has he served two terms already? As long as a Dem wins, I do not care. I read where the GOP are salivating at the prospect of gaining control of the Governorship in VA.

Terry McAuliffe symbolizes everything that's wrong about Democratic party politics. He was the incessant, whining, divisive voice behind Hillary's campaign meltdown and head of the DNC when Kerry refused to take on the Swift Boaters. Obama's the start of a bolder Democratic party, and McAuliffe and his weak, weasely, conniving old guard need to hit the road.

I don't care much for Terry. I think he is the King of Spin and that's not what we need in politics. We need someone strightforward and completely honest. Listening to him during the primaries convinced that Terry is a part of the old guard of politics that Obama is trying to weed out. And I agree. There is a better choice out there for the people of Virginia.

One thing is certain: Terry will be out smiling, talking hopefully like he's still got a shot, regardless of how he is polling.

Dear Texas Teacher. You are frustrated with Rebublicans? Don't forget who is running Congress and how many people are frustrated with them.

Yes Texas Teacher and the NEA will lead the way just like it has for the last 50 failed years with the complicit support of the libs and ACORN to elect another union toady.

"I am going to announce on Jan 7 that I am running for governor." Uh, maybe you didn't notice but, you just announced you are running for governor.

Geez, what's next? "On Feb 1, I will announce my three point property relief plan consisting of: Point 1……"

This news is soooooooooooo old. Come on you surely don't get paid for this, do you?
Just asking

he won't even beat creigh deeds in the primary. deeds is more of a centrist democrat, something required here in va. Terry McAuliffe is too left and a carpetbagger much like his fromer boss. that doesn't fly in va. (and yes, i also am a carpetbagger, having moved here on the last ten years, but i am not running for office). deeds is very popular and home grown. i don't think mcauliffe has a chance.

Just 2 points:

1. When did Democrats start rewarding people with abysmal management skills? Is this not the same man who mismanaged Hilary's campaign and said Obama would be history by super Tuesday?

2. Surely, you must know that quite a number of Republicans who voted for Obama really despise the Clintons, especially in VA? If not, you are in for a huge disappointment.

Terry will not carry VA!

Deeds for governor!

Why are Texans approving of a Virginia candidate? Are you going to be represented by him? Has he been elected to some office in Texas that I'm unaware of? You only basis for support of this person is his involvement with the Clintons and that (D) next to his name. He has not demonstrated he is worthy of this office or any other yet.

Bet Virginia is panting at the prospect !

Too many of the same names, over and over and over again. It's starting to look like the Roman Senate. But no Cicero.

*looking all around in total confusion* WHERE IS EVERYONE? I feel so alone…. *LOL*

What a loud mouth idiot.

Oh, come on, Terry…. I mean seriously! The Republicans have been drunk with power and out of control for 8 years….it is time to take whip and chair and drive them back into their caves! *LOL*

Sorry, I couldn't resist! Actually, I'm all for this "all the People" business… but it's hard to keep a straight face looking up from this black abyss we have been dug into!

this snake smiling lookalike is the epitome of the left-over clintonistas. when will we ever be rid of this garbage? the american people need to get over the blinders thy have worn when looking at billary – they are self-serving egotist who need to GO AWAY!!!!!!!

Hillary Clinton did not lose because of Terry McAuliffe! She lost because Barack Obama was just too appealing to Americans. Nobody could have beaten Obama no matter what they tried against him. She had a campaign message of everything revolves around Hillary Clinton, that was the wrong approach.

Unity and Change that Obama promised were the concepts that the Americans liked the most during the election. Bury the resentment, Hillary will perform better as Secretary of State than she would as president anyways. As for Terry McAuliffe there is no reason why he would not perform well as governor of Virginia, he will do a great job for that state.

Hillary Clinton did not lose because of Terry McAuliffe! She lost because Barack Obama was just too appealing to Americans. Nobody could have beaten Obama no matter what they tried against him. She had a campaign message of everything revolves around Hillary Clinton, that was the wrong approach.

Unity and Change that Obama promised were the concepts that the Americans liked the most during the election. Bury the resentment, Hillary will perform better as Secretary of State than she would as president anyways. As for Terry McAuliffe there is no reason why he would not perform well as governor of Virginia, he will do a great job for that state.

This political hack is nothing but a PARTISAN bomb thrower… he spouts all the tired euphemisms about how he will help create jobs, better education, lower crime, etc etc etc… we've heard this BS before for decades… 8 years of Clinton, crime lower?, education better? manufacturing jobs stay in the USA? 8 years of Bush, lower crime?, better schools? no more jobs going overseas? It's all BS from these professional political hacks…

Harry Reid's plan to meet with the minority republicans to seat Roland Buris is a disgrace to the democratic party.
He doesn't need the Republican approval to seat this senator from Illinois.
He had showed weak leadership at every turn and should be replaced with somebody with a spine if the Democratic party really want a bold agenda for this country.

BULL !

If you lie down with dogs like the clintons, then you come up smelling like one. We have enough clintonistas in government jobs, and we certainly don't need any more clinton puppets in high places .

He definetely understands strategy. I just don't get the "feel" that he can pull it off. Some people are all star "supporting cast" members, and I think McAullife fits this category. Unfortunately for the more ambitious, this doesn't always translate into all star "lead" role. We will see.

“On January 7, I will announce my candidacy .."

Didn't he already do that?

We dems need to get away from Clinton legacy. I was truly dissappointed by Obama when he chode Hillary as Sec-State after all the nasty politics she did.

Theres something about this guy that I dont trust, and I voted for Clinton both times.

I'm a lifelong Democrat and was a big Obama supporter and, sorry, I find Terry McAuliffe to be a total joke. He's a schmuck who will do nothing but bring the resurgent Democratic party in Virginia down with his clownish antics and discredited centrist positions. I hope the primary voters in Virginia have enough sense to say thanks but no thanks.

Sorry that was Sandy Berger, must have mistaken the unisex name.

What is Jindal doing in weighing in on the VA governors race? There is way too much for him to do in Louisiana for Bobby to be running around the country dealing with other states. Jindal should be evaluated by how New Orleans recovers under his administration.

Keep Terry in the game and it will put our friend Allen in commonwealth governership and put Virginia in Republican column.

Virginia's state and local governments are chronically underfunded against budgetary commitments. Promising more government services without a tax increase is unsustainable–and dishonest. Unlike the Federal government, we don't print our own money….

The fundamental problem is no one wants to make (and take the political fallout for) the hard choices and properly size government spending against tax revenues, much less figure out what services government really should be providing. This isn't unique to Virginia, however.

Good luck?

Didn't Blagojevich teach us anything about dem governors?

I don't know how good he would be at actually holding office, but this guy's entire life has revolved around campaigns. Even though he hasn't won every battle, this guy is a veteran when it comes to elections. If an African-American from Illinois can win Virginia, then there is no reason why a Catholic man from Syracuse can't do the same.

What the Blago affair in Illinois has exposed is the institutional racism in the leadership of the democratic senate giving Harry Reid's pressuring the Gov not to appoint 3 black politician for the vacant senate seat but rather 2 white women would be acceptable by him.
He has a conflict of interest and his continued resistance to Roland Buris makes him look bad politically.
They should seat this Honorable man and resolve the flailing economy.
Harry praised convicted Ted stevens in the senate floor but can't allow Roland buris who is legally appointed by a sitting Gov the opportunity to be seated in the senate . That picture might destroy the democratic party for years to come.
The AA has been the solid base of the party and they should be wise not to fracture that coalition.

I'm watching Wolf right now…. and the interview with the president of Israel. I truly think it only makes sense that if someone is firing bombs into your country day after day afte day that that country will strick back. I am stunned that Israel has waited this long.

How long would we wait, if some militant group in Mexico or Canada began firing into our country in this manner? We would wage all out war! Let's get real… I mean seriously! We may not like the innocents who are being killed, but we would stop the attacks Post Hast!

Good program, Wolf… I love CNN even if I do not agree all the time.

I certainly hope the good people of Virginia cast their votes wisely on this one. As Mr. McAuliffe sits prepared to co-opt PE Obama's message for his campaign, it would be smart for Virginians to go back and take a look at what Mr. McAuliffe has actually SAID over the years, what he's done while head of the DNC, etc. I think that in addition to "stealing" Obama's message, they will see him as one of the most divisive Democrats to ever grace the national stage.

"Give me a break!! this is the biggest fairy tail i have ever seen".
I live in Virginia and Terry will not be my governor. He got really carried away in this past election and has said some thoughless things. Its our time to return the favor. What goes around comes around.

Now we need the Republican party more than ever to keep these tax and yet tax again and spend Liberals in check! Thank God the Republican's have the filibuster!!

Dang… of course, she meant the BETTER Obama does….

I think that with the support Obama has… over 75%… that Terry has an excellent chance of being elected! We have to dig ourselves out of this abyss we are in! The Obama does the more like minded Democrats will be able to ride his coat tail into office. And I'm all for that!

Another power hungry Clintonista! Only after they have sunk the ship will these ones abandon it.

Proud American: My mother is political science professor at a major New York (blue state) university !! That's why I knows what I knows!!

Being talkative big mouth does not qualify Terry to run for governor. He ran the worst campaign in a very favorable environment for Clinton. I don't trust him one bit as a democrat. He has delibrately mislead people numerous times during the primaries and should not be rewarded with the governor position in virginia. He refused to throw his support behind Obama as the democratic Nominee. We did not forget and he will be held accoutable. I wish Tim could stay or run again.

Obviously, since I supported both Hillary Clinton and then Barack Obama, I believe that Terry McAuliffe would be an excellent choice for Va. Gov. We need more and poor politicians who share the policies of our President and cabinet. In that way, we will accomplish the goals of this administration in a timely manner. This has to be about all the People… not just a portion of the People. As frustrated as I am with Republican style politics, and therefore, Republicans in General; I know that we have to find a way to come together and make this country work again! We must come together and support Obama and his administration in order to make this a better place for our children and grandchildren. Th

I don't know if this guy has a very good chance of being elected Virginia governor. During the democratic primaries, Barack won Virigina approximentaly 63%- 35%. Also, even if he is the nominne for the job, this republican may have some strong-holds being the Virginia's attorney general, of course. But if he is nominated, he may have a chance due to the new democratic order of Virgina. I predict that his fellow democratic competitors will give him a good fight.

Good for Terry!

Terry is reckless and has contributed to the failure of the Clinton bid for president whilst he tried to position himself for this run. All the posturing during the primaries even when it was apparent that Hillary lost was orchestrated by him, and most importantly he has disrespected the voters. I am an independent leading democratic but will never vote for him!!

Not sure if he can pull this off….I guess we will see!

A long-time slime going to the tarnished gold.

No thanks, Mr. McAuliffe. You practically sank the Clinton candidacy, uttered some incredibly thoughtless statements, and interviewed terribly on television. That, and you are no where near "center" enough for a Virginia democrat. Stick with the DNC. If Howard Dean can't run it into the ground, then neither will you.

Terry is a good man and will make a great governor for Virginia!!!

I hear the GOP is going to trot out Allen again, so they can take advantage of his stance on racial tolerance.