(CNN) - President-elect Barack Obama has requested that the words “so help me God” be added to the end of the oath of office to be administered by Chief Justice John Roberts on Inauguration Day.
That confirmation came in an affidavit filed today by Roberts' court counselor in a pending lawsuit by an atheist opposed to any mention of God in the inaugural ceremonies. Roberts said he would abide by Obama’s wishes.
The Constitution has specific language on what has to be said when swearing in the president, but the “so help me God” phrase has traditionally been added at the end of the required oath, starting with George Washington in 1789.
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Well, if it has always been added, why is this news? Oh, yeah, you're trying to inform the 25% that thinks he's a Muslim? There's no hope for them. They're still searching for his "real" birth certificate.
Good for him!
I guess we need to get ready for all the crazies who are going to start objecting over the language.
Someone needs to tell them to fall in line and get over it!
AMEN!
Thank you!
"So Help Me God"
And may God Bless Our President !!!!!!!
Thank you PE-Obama.
No big deal, guys. If he wants to say it, he can. It's his oath. However, should a future President not wish to say it, then they shouldn't have to...
I'll be saying, "God help us all" as Obama takes the oath.
"But... but.... but... Obama didn't want to say the pledge of allegiance and is a Muslin."
Booyah! Conservative White Neo-Con America!
I am so thankful for this. So many people talk down about him. I have prayed so hard for him. I believe he is a good man. I wish others believed in him. We need to Pray for him and our "Country to got back to God. Lets all make a vow to Pray for him every day and I know the Lord will bless him and us.
I'm confused.......
Who cares?
I'm an atheist, I think everyone has the right to believe what they want. If Obama believes in God and wants to include these words, then that is just fine with me.
The only thing we ALL should be against is when someone/anyone tries to FORCE their beliefs/non-beliefs.
Obama sticks to his convictions – he believes in God so I think him asking for his God's blessing is a good thing. He's not forcing anyone else to believe in anything, religious-wise.
Please don't equivocate the stupid actions of that jerk atheist in California to the rest of the atheists in the world. Trying to prevent others from practicing their religion is just as bad as forcing them.
Good. I'm glad he is doing that.
No matter what, you can't make everyone happy in this country, but what you can do is ask God to help you make the right choices.
Like him or not, for all of our sakes, we ALL should be hoping for the best. God help us all.
If you're an atheist, you don't have to watch the swearing in. Nit picky and ridiculous. This country need prayer...
I am impressed!!! Thank you Mr Obama!!!
What's he trying to prove?
It should not be mentioned in a secular country. It is ridiculous.
I'm just sick of hearing this and how atheist groups want to prevent him from saying "God" in the inauguration. Honestly, people need to get a grip and just lay off of it. All you're doing is enforcing your believes on everyone to follow by, not showing respect on free speech and religion.
if its really your baby, take care of him be a MOM !
Too bad they are just words to most Presidents taking the oath. The Presidents usually break the oath of office within a few months after taking office.
Carlos: that is an excellent point!
Obama is really trying to do good things for this nation, and good things come from God. Obama realized the need for God. He will be a great president, especially if he depends on God for guidance. Ignore the atheists.
Well this should upset all of you hedonistic democrats out there.
Why is this news? I did not vote for him and still have some small doubts regarding his birth certificate, but I know he is not Muslim.
Even if he was Muslim, so what. There is a big difference between a peaceful Muslim practicing his religion and an extremist trying to destroy democracy.
As far as his birth certificate, move on, who cares. We have bigger fish to fry and he has a large order to fill with all of those campaign promises he made.
If he fails, ( I don't want him too, America can't afford that) the media will turn on him quicker then you can imagine.
God bless Barack Obama. May he succeed where others have failed.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA. YOU ARE A GOD SEND, BLESS YOU.
This is abosolutely rediculous. First we take prayer out the
schools and now we can't say "so help me God. What next
take" In God We Trust "off all money. pleeeeeze
there's no evidence G Washington actually said "so help me god" at his swearing in
To carlo, I agree that there is no hope for them. We can only hope that their children grow up to be smarter.
Barack Obama is a spiritual man. So what if he wants God's help? If this has been added since George Washington, why not by Barack Obama?
I am not spiritual, but I see no reason to deny someone who is, his added phrase concerning his faith. My main concern would be if he wasn't spiritual, and he was being pressured to add it in. That day will come... in the future. But not this time.
Howsincere you are in your swearing in is directly tied to your belief systems, so let him say it. I'm an agnostic, and I wouldn't need the phrase to be just as sincere, but if it helps bolster his resolve and the public believes him, go for it.
I also don't mind him allowing those beliefs to guide him to good choices in office, as long as he stays objective and listens to all sides of an issue. Religion is at its worst when it closes minds. And chances are that a closed mind will also feel the need to shove its religion in other people's faces.
I'll end off by saying some Christians in America are just as zealous about this sort of thing as the people we're fighting overseas. They just don't think so becuase they don't let it get physical. Same poison, different symptoms.
Yeah, this'll get posted. CNN allows violent outbursts, but almost never reasoned upset.
To Carlo, did you read the story. It said, "That confirmation came in an affidavit filed today by Roberts' court counselor in a pending lawsuit by an atheist opposed to any mention of God in the inaugural ceremonies. Roberts said he would abide by Obama’s wishes". People look for a twist/spin in everything. And we say politicians and media do all the spinning...go to foxnews.com. I think the reading is more to your liking there!
If he isn't a good president, does that mean God decided not to help him? And if he is a good president, does that mean God did it? When did we become a Theocracy?
Another example of the socialist, Muslim, super liberal, policies of the President Elect.
Give us more Palin stories!
Palin/Cheney 2012!!!
Every President in history has said "So help me God" ; so why wouldn't Obama say it? He is a Christian.
Good for him! These Atheists are taking things too far. Give it a rest!
It's Obama's inauguration. Why would someone sue over what Obama wants to say? I'm an atheist myself but some of these people pushing for religion or pushing against religion are insane. Can't people just accept that different people have different beliefs, and if it's not hurting anyone, let them be?
I'll be surprised if I don't see ignorant comments here stating that Obama should be asking to end the inauguration with "So help me Allah"
Is this news?
So let's see the birth certificate then. It's news because people are suprised he's actually going to keep the status quo instead of changing something to keep the spot light on himself.
@ Carlo
Actually, Muslims use the word "God" to refer to Allah too. Fact is, it's all a non-issue other than for the whiney crybabies who think the mention of God violates the separation of church and state. In reality, this is just tradition and whatever the one taking the oath wants to swear on because they hold it dear and feel it shows the truth of their intent to uphold the oath, I say let 'em say it.
It's news because a few Athiests were trying to make it an issue and take it to court. This has nothing to do with Repubs. I like Obama. I believe he is a Christian – though it shouldn't matter anyway. We are not all lemmings so stop trying to make it a partisan play when it someone else making a court case.
Washington? Might want to check your facts, CNN. All contemporary sources have no mention of Washington adding "so help me god" to the presidential oath. The earliest reference we have that mentions Washington supposedly saying the phrase comes from Washington Irving *sixty-five years* after George Washington's inauguration.
Current and historical polls have indicated that U.S. citizens consider their country to be a Christian country; the country was founded by Christian people who wanted to preserve the right of it's citizens to have FREEDOM OF RELIGION (as opposed to freedom from religion, as is so frequently mis-stated). It is a horrendous situation that the many are dictated to by the very few and it is wonderful to see our new president show the courage of his beliefs and convications. May God preserve and protect President Obama!
Thank you President Obama for not trying to go along just to get along...to God be the Glory, his majesty, dominion and power forever!
Amen
God Bless President Obama, VP Biden and the First Families!
No evidence? Is that because there were no tv cameras or audio equipment set up at the time, and all we have to go by is what a bystander wrote down, or a copy of what was supposed to be said?
It's his party let him say whatever he wants. Religion is one of the biggest evils in this world.
I wonder when someone will finally break this tradition. I think it's about time we stop promoting religion and start promoting inquisitive thinking. And maybe we'll end much of the world's violence in the process.
THANK GOD!!! It's good to know that some one remembers that we are a country that believes in GOD. Without God, there is no hope.
Thank you President Obama. May God bless you and God bless America
God Bless you Mr. President
If the President wants to say "So help me God." at the end of the oath, he has every prerogative to do so.
Sometimes there is NO difference between some liberal-minded folks and the far right people they (we?) seem to despise and deride so much.
I happen to have pretty liberal views. I also happen to be a Christian woman. I have to say, all of the liberal atheists I have come across are most irrationally closed-minded self-righteous to individuals who don't share their [non]-religious views... One person even told me that she disliked Sarah Palin because "she's a nativist".... How was that different from the far right people not voting for Obama because they thought he was muslim? Let's face it. We are bound to come across people who have different views and live differently from us. Deal with it constructively.
Carlo and Robert are right and I wonder what will be the GOP strategy in 2012 when they go against Obama. Shame on them if they feel the president is a terrorists the world will laugh at them after knowing Obama. Mark my words 2012 will spell the doom of the GOP for a long time and it will take Bobby Jindal to rescue that party called Grand Old People.
Hey people weather your Muslim or Christian, God is God, I'm just asking the Almighty to show all us the path, or humanity itself will be lost and this will be the last President of the United States.
So lets pray that all of our elected leaders can listen for word of the Almighty so we can survive as a nation.
I think I am love.:-) .....this man is a kindred spirit to my soul...
Seriously, You have done the right thing, believe in your heart what you say in your words!
Carlo, you are absolutely right. For those of you who are convinced he's a Muslim, if that were true, I'm sure the republican bloodhounds would have found out. They are a ruthless bunch.
Well said Carlo! I really think we as Americans need to dispense with all this useless drama and put our energies toward conquering the many challenges that lay ahead of us. Last I checked, God wasn't the type to come swooping in and lay down some Thou Shalts in regard to the economy. But as I see it, asking for God's help never hurt anyone. That 25% that Carlos referred to ought to try it!!
Like they say, there's no atheists in foxholes....
Praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barack Obama you are AWESOME!!!!!
That is why 99.9 choose "U".
How "ya like THAT!".
looks like "Old Hand' needs a new hand.
everything is news from here on out – since Nov. 4th, get use to it.
He'll probably have his fingers crossed....
Hopefully he will have better luck than the Govs of New Mexico and Illinois and the mayors of Detriot and now Baltimore.
Thank goodness Barack Obama has a good head on his shoulders and acts in accordance with his beliefs. We could use a good deal more of that in Washington.
If Obama (or anyone else for that matter) wants to publicly state that they believe in fairy tales, they should be allowed. I personally find it disheartening that any of government officials buy into the talking snake/immaculate conception scheme, but who am I to tell someone that they can't believe in Santa Claus?
I believe in God. But religion has no business in politics. Religion has had more people killed than any other cause. Keep your church out of my state.
He's gonna need it.
"God" could mean a divine being, the Universe, Higher Power, etc. Personally, I don't like religious zealots of any sort, but Obama's saying the word "God" is really no big deal. As a matter of fact, his use of the word "God" just shows that he knows how to be humble and realize that there are higher powers greater than he.
@ Robert, SC and Carlo
I'm 57 years young, and I thought my children would expereince a brighter future-because of Education. . .
I WAS WRONG . . . Ignorance is still a high percentage of America !
I think it's news because there is an athiest trying to get that phrase out of the swearing in. Obama is making sure it's known he wants it in there. So, an athiest shouldn't be able to push his beliefs on someone that wants to say the phrase. Way to go Obama. I didn't vote for you, but I'm proud of you.
That's a great idea........ sadly with the Bush Disaster that President Obama will have to deal with, he will plenty of help from GOD!
HOPE WON.......... HOPE WON......... HOPE WON......... HOPE WON...........
You cannot help a lost mind or as the bible call it, a Reprobate mind. They are lost until they wake up to the truth. It is called self denial...
I sooooooo love this man, I mean PE Obama! You go sir! Very smart move! And He will "so help" you in all of your endeavors!" Amen.
Our founding-fathers are conservative, and this nation is a Christian nation. Obama is not above God.
If he's reeelected in 2012, you won't hear him asking for it to be included again.
Thank you Pres. Elect Obama! Our nation cannot fold to the minority wishes–especially when it comes to the mention of God!
Again, too old to old hand.
What the atheist doesn't understand is that its Obama's choice to say "So Help Me God". Some presidents say it, some don't. No on is mandating that it must be said.
There is no evidence that George Washington DIDN'T say 'so help me God.' He was a strong believer in God's Providence in his life.
In a country where free speach is a right, why is this an issue?
Talk about smarter? This is not the repubs, its Atheists and other groups who don't believe in God that brought the Law Suit. I did not vote for him but He got this one right. Get the facts before you blame the wrong people.
If they atheists do like "So help me God", then they don't have to say it when they are elected President.
WHICH GOD IS HE TALKING ABOUT???????????
Isn't it ironic, don't you think....when the entire country is saying..."so help me Obama".
Seriously, I wish athiests would just back off and accept that not all of us beleive there is no god... Why don't they just take comfort from the fact that a religious politition, like obama, would swear his oath on a bible and ask gods help in fulfilling the oath... Seriously, it would consern me if a politition claiming to be a religious man optend not to swear on the bible (or appropirate religious text) and not ask gods help faithfully executing the oath of their office. It would demonstrait that the individual has a rather disingeneous character.
More over, I wish that athiests would remember that the seperation of church and state wasn't put into the bill of rights to promot athiesm. That would actually be a violation of the spirit of the bill, rather it was put in place to protect individuals rights to worship (or not) as they see fit. So, it is actually there, for instance, to protect Obama's right to swear in on a bible and use the phrase "so help me god".
Isn't it ironic, don't you think.....when the entire country is saying "so help me Obama".
The true purpose and meaning of this phrase has been lost - appropriated often even in a vengeful manner. Originally it was meant to invoke guidance and suppport, as in, "I'm going to do my best, so [please] help me, God." The comma, the pause and the humble request for God's help make a difference ... and we certainly need that at this time.
Obama should ask for God's help. He will need it.
Atta boy, Barack!
@Carlo
WELL SAID!
I guess we should all be relieved that god will take matters into his own hands if Obama doesn't abide by his oath. Unlike our current President, I really hope he isn't leaving it all up to god's will.
Presidents-elect may choose to include or eliminate "God" in their swearing in. Obama is a practicing Christian - contrary to the GOP lies and smears - and he chooses to include God. So be it.
I would do the same, but I would respect anyone who chose not to include the God reference. To each his own.
To Old hand. Even if Washington didn't say it, most presidents have. And if Obama wants to say that phrase, shouldn't he have the same freedom of speech to do so. I think its sad there was even a lawsuit. It isn't going to kill the atheists for the words "so help me God" or a prayer to be uttered.
Robert, SC and carlo:
Fat chance, unless we finally get solid funding of education. Because Lord knows they aren't getting their stellar comprehension abilities from their elders.
This country is amazing. We underfund education starting in the early 80's and wonder why everyone in this country is so #@$%&! stupid.
I REALLY ACCEPT WITH obama BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS WITHOUT GOD WE CAN'T DO NOTHING ONLY HOPE I WOULD HAVE IN OBAMA GOVERNANCE IS IF IS GOVERN UNDER THE HAND OF GOD BECAUSE THE TIME WE LIVING NOW IS A PROFECY TIME'S WITHOUT GIVING TOO MUCH DETAILS ON THAT THINGS NOT GOING TO BE EASY FOR EASY AHEAD. PLEASE MR OBAMA LET'S GET BE FIRST AND YOU WILL BE A GREAT PRESIDENT IN HISTORY OF AMERICA, AND DON'T FORGET GOD IS THE ONE WHO YOU CAN LAID ON I WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY GOD FOR YOU AND AMERICA AND YOUR FAMILY,
To Carlo and Robert, SC: I agree with both of you about there being no hope for those who still think that PEBO is a Muslim. I just wonder how many posts there will be from them, wondering which "God" he'll be referring to during the swearing in. (If I could I'd insert some rolling eyes here.) LOL
All monotheistic religions would add" so help me god." What does this have to do with Islam vs. Christianity?
I do wish, however, that Barack would have left it out. The separation of Church and State should be the first step in repairing Bush's damage.. As Sir Tijn Po's says in COMING SOON, "until people give up the old prophecies there is no chance for peace!"
"So help all of us God", for those who don't want Obama as our President and continuing to false accuse him.
ALL these that Question GOD at the end of their lives where do you think you are going to an all night Party?????
The country is going into the tank and we quibble about invoking the Lord's name? Jesus!
He wants to say it, there's nothing wrong with that. He wants to say. The oath is for Barack to acknowledge in front of the American people and he wants to say it. He wants God's help. End of story, move on.
Carlo I agree I agree with you. Those neocons will never get off the Muslim garbage they spewed. I pray "so help him God "to protect him from the spewings of Gov. Palin and Rush alike beings who have forgotten their first love of the Jesus Christ they say they serve and never knew ,for they would not do the things they do.May God be with us all in the next years to come........for it will not be an easy time for most of us especially Pres. Obama when the GOP already has decided to put nothing but stumbling blocks up, no matter who it will hurt in our nation......as long as they can be the catalyst of defeat of others trying to make a honest living....they rally don't care.
Thanks, Carlo. I feel that the same non-news was reported when we learned that Obama would be sworn in as Barack Hussein Obama, not some kind of embrace of Islamic extremism (as some persist to allege), but rather the tradition.
He wants to say it, there's nothing wrong with that. He wants to say "so help me God". The oath is for Barack to acknowledge in front of the American people and he wants to say it. He wants God's help. End of story, move on.
I didn't vote for him, but people, for goodness sake, he is not a Muslim.
And even if he was, so what? There is a HUGE difference between a peaceful Muslim practicing his religion and an extremist who wants to destroy democracy.
Let the hate go, Democrats and Republicans alike. Our future is in this man's hands. If he fails, we are in for a time worst then you can imagine.
Yes, let them keep searching for the birth cerfificate. Gives them something to do. Now all the Athiests will have something to belly ache about or sue. What a world we live in. I think it's time we sue them for tring to take our rights away!
cario – because a lawsuit was filed to prevent Obama from saying 'so help me God' THAT is why it is news. And now we know that Justice Roberts will add the phrase per Obama's wishes.
God bless our new President and his family!
John Roberts was appointed by Bush, so Bush-bashing in 3... 2... 1...
Obama does not ring true for me and everything he says impresses as either: 1. ingratiating or 2. self-aggrandizing
I'm a huge Obama supporter, but I don't think religion, invocations, and "so help me God" should play any part in the inauguration of our president. If he wants to personally and privately swear by his god, that's obviously his choice, but all this bible stuff doesn't belong in this civil ceremony.
I'm so sick of the right side making news out of petty and rediculous pieces of information. They're really working hard at trying to make Obama look like a Godless Democrat.
It's news because some athiest wants it removed, and Obama wants to keep it, not that Obama is trying to call attention to it. Oh, and I am NOT an Obama suporter, I didn't vote for HIM, but I support the president of my country, and in less than 2 weeks, that will be Obama. I sure hope he does his office justice.
I think that is a good thing. Please keep that in your oath. God knows you will need him.
Good for him. Why should anything be changed to satisfy the demands of a few. If you don't believe, don't watch; then it won't bother you because you won't hear the words.
He's going to need it!
Osama just lost my support. He is no different than all of the others – at least W had the decency to let us know where he stood.
I would like to say so what... I am an atheist and very, very against religion in the government. But he is a Christian and if he wants so say 'so help me god' let him. Can someone explain where there is a problem?
He's gonna need God's help with the mess George Bush left him. I for one will be praying for him.
It isn't about being Muslim Carlo. Its about moving past medieval teachings regardless of whether we call it Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any of the other made up gods and religions. Its time the U.S. joined the rest of the western world in rejecting this nonsense by proclaiming itself fully secular. Christianity, Islam, its all made-up nonsense.
Adding "so help me God" is not unwarranted. American founding founders acknowledged God, and so also some of us in this generation. For those who need to know, if God will not president Obama, then he might not make any impact . " For with God all things are possible".
Obama is very respectful of traditions and history. I am so happy that he will be our new leader. I do agree that he will never prove to the crazies that he is a Christian but HE knows it and that is all that will ever matter.
He needs more than God's help to clean up the mess left by Bush.
Come on Obama, you're a smart guy. You don't need to pander to all those who believe in a God in this country. Have some balls, represent all Americans, not just the ones who believe in their imaginary friend in the sky.
Muslims do in fact believe in God, in case you didn't know. So that would make no difference. But is being Christian any better?
I JUST PRAY THAT GOD WILL PROTECT HIM AS HIS TERM BEGINS . THERE ARE SO MANY STILL VERY ANGRY THAT A BLACK MAN IS PRESIDENT. GOOD LUCK, GODS BLESSINGS MR. OBAMA I FOR ONE AM VERY PROUD AND EXCITED ABOUT YOU AS OUR PRESIDENT. TO ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS KEEP THE PRAYERS CHAIN GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only a fool says that there is no GOD. Thus, we do not need
G. Washington or B. Obama to tell you that you should depend on
GOD for success in all your good efforts.
Money is God to many people and some dont even know it.
Thanks Carlo for making my day with that comment. That is funny.
In order for many in this Nation to finally "get it", perhaps, unemployment needs to reach in the very high double digits - like 40 to 50%.
I doubt that this was the topic of conversation during the Presidential lunch a few days ago, so why does CNN feel the need to give this nonsense publicity? If you wanted to waste some space on here, why not put up a word search.
He going to need god to help him for these four years. Atheist needs to go and sit down. They always want to take God out of something. If you do not believe in God that is you preference. Nobody needs to fix the world just to satify them. If you have problem woth God being in something you need to leave the country, because our constitution of the United States was based off the prinicples of the bible if the Atheist people sit down and read the United States Constitution sometimes.
Muslims also believe in God, "Allah'. God is for all humankind believers except the Atheists; we all believe in one God, creator . well done Barack..You have a great hope for the better future of USA as well as the World .Yes you can accomplish all things with the help of God.
"Go Obama No Drama."
Jacob-Kevin, since when did being Godless mean anything negative?
As for his whole incorporation of Washington's famous lines, bonkers. I expected better from him. John Quincy Adams is the only president to ever swear in the correct way, on a Book of Law.
I rather hoped Obama's exposure to multiple belief systems (including atheism) would give him a proper respect for this country's secular foundation, but more and more he makes me wonder if he's just another bible-thumper. To nip future comments in the bud – not all Christians are "bible-thumpers"; it's a slur against unthinking folks who refer to the bible over reason and good sense.
I have to say I like this decision.
Okay first of all. Who cares if what religion he is?? If he's even religious at all. I can't see how it would help or hinder him in doing his apointed duties.
Secondly, he's Christian and it's his oath to take. He can say it. If an Athiest gets in, they don't have to say it.
ram, he's a politician.
Avon Lady, that's the correct attitude to have.
DT
I would suggest him to also include "..... so help me people help you". There are a lot of idiots out there with their preconceived hatred toward the PE ....
Yes....I agree.....he will need it....every little bit will help.....God help us all........
Although the United States should, as John Holdt said, move away from old, senseless traditions and religions, I believe that Obama should have the right to say what he wants to say.
Maybe this will shut up the illiterate Republicans who still believe that Obama is a Muslim (which shouldn't even matter, by the way).
Judging by the way the Republicans left this country, President Obama will need God.
His choice. Period. Next...
Hey, if its been a tradition may he sould leave it out so he can offically start his term by not being the same old, same old.
If he does want a line I think Please, please God help me might be more appropriate for the moment....
I do think church stae should be seperated but that doesn't mean if someone has faith they can;t express it; they just can't promote it!
@ John Holdt
So according to you , all our early ancestors were micro-organisms and we just evolved....now that's funny
I'll be saying, "So help us God," when Obama takes the oath. We'll need all the divine help we can get when this lightweight is President.
The U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from establishing an official state religion, as was the case in Europe when America became independent. Actually, this was revolutionary and profound for its time, and humanity has the United States to thank for establishing this precedent.
Our Constitution also prohibits the government from prohibiting the free practice of religion. In other words, nobody can tell you when you can or cannot pray or make reference to God. All Americans have total freedom in this regard.
Nowhere is the term 'separation of church and state' ever used.
You also have the right not to believe. It seems a small minority just aren't satisfied with having the right to be antheists. They insist that everyone around them refrain from any reference to God or religion. It is not like they are trying to stop repression of their beliefs. Actually, the inverse is true, they are trying to repress the free expression of beliefs and free pratices of the vast majority. It is like saying, you can't tell me what to believe, but, being more enlightened, I definitely get to tell you what you can say and do.
Public officials cannot establish an official state church. However, like the rest of us, they are free to make reference to religion as much as they want. That is their constitutional right. If President-Elect Obama is told that he can't use the term 'so help me God', than his right to freely exercise his faith would have been prohibited, which is a violation of our Constitution.
To John Holdt, One day you won't feel that way, I can guarantee you.
No Hillary = No Obama January 9th, 2009 5:46 pm ET
Obama does not ring true for me and everything he says impresses as either: 1. ingratiating or 2. self-aggrandizing
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but you believe in and trust the liar hillary?
idiot
idiots
For those who wish to destroy us for whatever reason, with the help and blessings from God we will prevail.
John Holdt – that is an extremely ignorant position you take. America achieved it's status as the most advanced nation in world history with religious principles guiding the majority of its citizens. Do you forget the abolitionists driven by faith in God? What was Dr. King's occupation? If you hate people of faith, just think of the moral positions advocated by atheist groups.
Amen, Pres-Elect Obama. Thank you for being a man of faith, honesty and strength.
Well.... It is something new to say " so help me God..... Without God
he can't lead this country. Our founders acknowledged God. That is the only reason this country is standing firm. "So help me God"... is not a CHOICE rather it is a MUST..................
United States was founded on biblical principles and without him is how the United States got into this great mess that is in today because people have kicked GOD out of schools, out of government and pretty much out of church, shame on the people of the United States.
John Holdt – moving past medieval teachings ? to what ? i dont get it ? How blessed are you to live in this world when millions dont even get a chance to be born. Be careful in denying the creator of this universe.
@ No Hillary = No Obama January 9th, 2009 5:46 pm ET
Obama does not ring true for me and everything he says impresses as either: 1. ingratiating or 2. self-aggrandizing
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What makes you think we aren't all well aware of that after these many months of your singing the same tune? LOL
When I was sworn in as a civil servant of a federal agency, using the same oath President Obama will swear to, I was given the choice to say "so help me god" or to use secular language. I believe all civil servants are given the same choice and it's nothing new.
Finally something I can agree with the PE on!
May God Bless you Mr Obama!
all that negative around, no one is better than the next, non of us could not run this country if we wanted to. It is a very BIG step for all the past, present, & future pesidents. That is why all of us need to be a helper instead of downing our leaders that represent us, no matter who is the pesident we still need to do our job as a country to make it better for all man kind. Other countries is looking at us & saying how stupid we are. instead of working together as a UNITED country we still have hatred among us as people. If we agree or disagree we still need to be UNITED & support who in office or NOT at the end of it ALL we are still The People Of The United States Of America.
The reason the US is falling like a brick is because its people refuse to continue honoring the God that made this country the superpower it USED to be.
All of you ppl tht are so afraid of what this man may do......where has your concern been these last 8 yrs?....This Ctry is more messed up then it was 8 yrs ago.....So, my question to all of you with reservations......Really, what is the true reason your so "AFRAID" of this man....?
Cut him he bleeds red, just like you and I, so again.......what is it that you are really afraid of? the fact that we have never had a Barack Hussien Obama as President?
In 2012 when he is up for re-election will you still have those same fears? if not, why not?......HMMMMMMMMM???
BUZZARDSKORNER
I'm with Kruz.
As a fellow atheist, this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Who cares, GOD or not!!! This is not news.
Obambi – in a phrase that the red sheep repugs started oh so many years ago ... Love it or leave it ... if you don't like Obama, please leave, our country needs people here that can work together, unlike the republicant's ... just get out so we can rebuild the country together
@ram – You never supported Obama in the first place.
I think he is a good Christian man, who wants to honor God with an oath. I don't know how they can continue to tell the lie that he is a Muslim.
Some people won't be happy no matter what he does. I just thank God that we finally have a decent, honorable man to lead this country! I can't imagine anyone wanting to try and fix this mess left by Bush and buddies.
God Speed Barack! Bless you and your beautiful family.
Can we please have separation of church of state? He can say it to himself. It doesn't have to be verbalized. People can pray to God all day long in their head if they want to. No one is stopping them. God should stay out of politics.
He must definately say it cos, the strength to rule does not come from the North, South , East or WEST but From God. He can only rule with wisdom through God who strengthens him...(phil 3.14)
"The Constitution has specific language on what has to be said when swearing in the president, but the “so help me God” phrase has traditionally been added at the end of the required oath, starting with George Washington in 1789."
You tell those Atheists that if the Dark Ages didn't get rid of them, then I'll make sure as HELL this term does! LOL!!
Hey "Don": The constant need to invoke the separation of church and state results when religious zealots insist on forcing their "beliefs" on others; it sure isn't, as you suggest, the other way around.
@ram:
Yes, I believe that you supported the man you now call "Osama". I also believe this is why. Everything you said made logical sense and was not at all transparent. You'd get along well with my pet unicorn.
God is NOT imperfect only the human beings who believe they understand that Him/Her/It! Doesn't matter the name you choose to use... only one God.. with many names....
I think it is entirely up to Obama to use those words. He is a Christian, so that is the name he would use. And that is just fine with me, though I am not a Christian. I would say Creator! so what!
The same Creator no matter the name!
TO MR. OABAMA, PRESIDENT ELECT:
I AM SO GLAD, THAT "SO HELP GOD" will be added at the END
Firstly, it is a tradition for "so help me god" to be included in the presidential oath. Secondly, there is a huge difference between honouring a tradition inherent in our government and having a firm belief in an additional unnecessary phrase. I've never heard any fuss directed toward a president for honouring the tradition of having a dog in the White House, one tradition also dating back to our first president. Are there not people who dislike dogs in a similar way an atheist would dislike a mentioning of God?
Additionally, the First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". The fact that he wishes to say "so help me God" and there are people arguing that he should not say it is direct violation of his own First Amendment right to be able to say it. Therefore, no matter how angry athiests, agnostics, or non Judeo-Christian-Muslim worshipers are at the statement, it would be worse for him to give up his Constitutional right to say the phrase because it goes against that which we all hold so dear. Thus, the old adage "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it".
Perhaps, we should all think about how important this issue is in the scheme of life.
TO MR. OABAMA, PRESIDENT ELECT:
I AM SO GLAD, THAT "SO HELP GOD" will be added at the END
OF YOUR MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT UPON RECEIVING THIS
TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY. SO BE IT. THOSE THAT DOES
NOT BELIEVE IN THE GOD ALMIGHTY, SHOULD TRY TO MOVE TO
ANOTHER PLANET. WE NEED OUR GOD MORE THAN EVER.
WE DUE RESPECT. GOOD LUCK, SENOR PRESIDENTE.
ALCANTARA FAMILY.
I did not support Obama, but I do believe he has a right to say "so help me God" if he wants and I do hope and pray he is a good president. We have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion in this country and if an atheist ever gets elected, he can choose not to say it if he wants. People need to stop forcing their beliefs on others. We need to learn to agree to disagree and live in peace.
This story takes the cake. If those traditional words affend them,TOO BAD.Don't watch or miss out on history. I hope these people of this group live a long life: but in the end may they GO TOO HELL!!!
No matter what he says, someone will criticize him. People, if what he says bothers you, you need a life or a hobby or something. Geez, focus on stuff thats important and quit quibbling over non-issues. He's a Christian, let him say it and IF he were a Muslim, let him say something about Allah. I thought we were a country of free speech.
How is this an issue given the state of the country? Obama is being sworn in not you, myself, or anyone else for that matter. It is kind of his day too, so if he wants to use that phrase let him!
To Lori,
Obama is not a Muslim. But Muslims believe in God, too.
If we ever needed God's help, it would be now to get us out of this deep ditch the country is currently in.
I do not intend this to be a flippant comment but is Blago mentally ill?? Does anyone know?
Good for you Obama!!!! Because you will need HIS HELP for the things you can not control.
I know that there are some who thinks believing in God is nonsense and thats okay, you have that right of your opinion, but for ME, having HIM in my life, my mind and life is no longer tormented or emotionallly out of control. I truly HOPE that some of you will find some happiness in your life, whatever it maybe.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!
Raul> Yes, that's exactly it. And?
olusola> The Founding Fathers were Deists, so yes, they did recognize that there was a god...however, they (i.e. – Jefferson) thought it best that religion and government be kept separate. And I agree w. them.
That being said, if Obama's a Christian, he has every right to use the oath. Why not? I'm Agnostic, but I'm not going to freak out if someone else chooses to exercise their freedom of religion in front of me.
I'm still trying why people say seperation of church and state when US Currency says "In God we Trust" printed on it which of course if backed by the US Governmant.
So, why shouldn't Obama say the word "God" if that's what he believes in?
this is soo stupid and makes me feel so caustic! we should not take that out because of some stupid athiest! if you do not beleive, just dont watch! Obama is a christian, so it should be up to him to use that phrase or not. im an Obama supporter and also a christian, however, i could careless if he uses the phrase or not. the choice should be Obama's and NO ONE else. us americans are such WHINERS!! whine about stupid stuff all the time....
ram "Obama just lost my support." Aw gosh. If the fact that he is a Christian bothers you, then I doubt he ever HAD your support. I admire him for trying to make the ceremony personal for himself...whatever he decided would upset somebody.
This whole "separation" stuff is garbage anyway. If we elect a Christian, he should be driven by the teachings of his faith (not sure what George W learned in his churches over the years, but I doubt torture and war were endorsed highly.) I respected Jimmy Carter for always living his beliefs while he was President. I know some people think he was terrible, but he's the last true man of faith we elected. Peace is not some code word for "strike first, peace later." The last 8 years have proven that a Godless man is even worse for the country, hasn't it? Think of all the Americans killed on his watch...and tortured, and spied upon. Those are not acts of Christian faith, nor any other.
Thank you God that President Elect Obama is both a Democrat and a Christian. The public hasn't heard from the Christian Democrats since Jimmy Carter. Check out what the Carter Center has done if you want to know what Christians believe in doing. Christian are called to help the poor and promote social justice. They are to love their neighbors as themselves and promote peace with Everyone.
People all across America are praying they can pay their bills. Obama will need all our prayers to succeed.
Obama has a right to choose what is said. To all of you who believe in the separation of church and state when you become prez you can choose also.For myself when I am in need I go to GOD, not the state. I still believe in miracles.
Oh, fer cryin out loud! There is nothing more elementary-school than this argument. Separation of church and state has nothing to do with inauguration oaths, or words printed on money, or commandments displayed in courthouses, or words within the Pledge of Allegiance. It has to do with enacting and enforcing laws based upon ones religious beliefs. When will these bufoons stop this insanity?
"Maybe this will shut up the illiterate Republicans who still believe that Obama is a Muslim (which shouldn't even matter, by the way)."
Maybe it will help illiterate Democrats find out that Christianity and Islam have the same God.
gimmee a break with the God stuff. Obviously it's a fantasy otherwise things would be just peachey and they sure ain't.
As long as Obama does not say "So help me God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, in the name of Jesus Christ I pray, Amen" I don't see what the big deal is. I'm an agnostic, like many of the Founding Fathers, and much like the references to "God" in the Declaration and other early works, I don't see the use of the word "God" as in any way offensive. He is not directly referencing any faith, and in fact, it can easily be taken that he is invoking the "God of Nature" whom the Founders – Jefferson, Franklin, etc – revered, not the strictly Christian God.
I think that those of us who are NOT Christian need to take a step back and look at ourselves long and hard, because many of us are beginning to sound a LOT like the same people we vilify in our dogmatic approach to faith.
If we don't believe in God – from a Christian or other perspective – that is our right, no matter how much the Religious Zealots of the American Taliban might try to change things. However, we must also accept that belief in a God is also a right protected by the Constitution, no matter how much the Athiest Zealots wish it were otherwise.
The united states needs to join the rest of the world in secularism, and stop involving god in the state. I mean come on we call ourselves a secular nation, and yet we've forced the Native American's off their land for White Christiane Settlers, and forcefully converted them to Christianity. We have the word god on all our coins. The word god appears in almost every Federal building, yet we call ourselves a secular and tolerant nation. Freedom of religion is completely false, I mean look at how we've treated non Christan's. Killing them, taking their children and converting them. But only some Christan's are good, because if your Catholic your going to hell, if your Mormon your going to hell, if your Orthodox your going to hell. It's completely mental!
TO ALL YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE. OUR COUNTRY IS IN A MESS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO VOTED FOR STUART LITTLE BUSH. INSTEAD OF PRAYING FOR PRESIDENT ELECT, OR WISH HIM WELL. YOU OUT THERE BEING HATERS. WELL, TELL YOU WHAT. LIKE HIM OR NOT, HE IS SMARTER THAN YOUR BUSH ANY DAY. AND WILL BE THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER. THANK YOU.
Muslims also pray to GOD. So we are happy Obama will say so help me GOd. Now if he says so help me Jesus that maybe a problem for Jews, Muslims and atheists
I'm sorry, I must have missed what the big deal is.
Pres "O", Your Mom, Gramps, Wife and kids came by God. God is want U need!
In the begining God created man to his own image. So when you say "so help me god" you really saying " so help me me". Mr. Obama I hope you surrounded yourself with lots of knowledgeable people. You going to need each one them. And I hope they leave the word god out of it.
Well spoken, Don.
This is a "NO WIN" situation. If PE Obama does not use the term "SO HELP ME GOD" there those among us that will say he refused to say it because he is Muslim. If he does say it there are those among us that say it has no place in public.
He can't win that one so why don't we just let it go because either way he does it, some are going to make something of it that it is not.
@ raul.... so you think some all powerful being made the Earth in six days then scooped up a handful of dirt and made man, plucked out one of his ribs and made woman.......now THAT'S STUPID
If Obama wants the Chief Justice to add "so help me God" to the oath, then it is his right to make that request, and it should be honored. If , "so help me God" was a required part of the oath (which it is not,) then I would be angry. I think that government should remain 100% neutral on religious matters. God and faith (or the lack thereof) are personal matters and our elected official and bureaucrats should stay as far away from such matters as possible.
I look forward to the day - probably thousands of years from now - when humanity advances to a new stage of enlightenment and realizes that the words and rituals of the world's major religions have no place in our world. Faith in a higher power (if there is one) is an intensenly personal matter. Unfortunately, religious institutions large and small, and the blind people who believe that the Bible is the word of God, when it really is a collection of man made legends, fables and fairy tales (that people will interpret to meet their own needs), continue to be our planet's most destructive force.
What if he said :
- So help me Gods
or
- So help me Goddess
You Christians would be all up in arms!
Ugh, of course Obama had to have this added because the conservative christians would make this an election issue in 2012.
There should be no mention of anyone's god in a government ceremony period. He should be saying something like "So help me Founders."
The Constitution states what language must be used. However, it doesn't prohibit additional language.
If Obama wants to say "So help me God" he will and no one is going to stop him. And his oath won't be nullified for adding the phrase.
I'm an atheist and I don't have a problem with the inauguration proceeding as planed.
Freedom of religion is about protecting people from having beliefs forced on them, not shielding them from ideas they disagree with.
Oh, you crazy Christians... You sinners better get in lock step and follow your divine orders. Feel the guilt, baby. Feel it!! Your god commands it of you!
The left loones are going to go ape.
Lefty loones, Obama believes in God.
Am I the only agnostic who really doesn't care about this? It's a few words and, quite frankly, it is unimportant whether or not they are included.
to "Raul"
You're right... how can evolution possibly exist. Why would we actually want to look at countless examples of physical evidence of evolution when we have a bible to tell us what really happened. You're right.. very funny.
To No Hillary = No Obama:
You in my opinion are a worthless troll. You constantly post meaningless drivel all for the sake of venting your worthless rage. Here is a thought; why not get a grip and join the human race. Otherwise, please stop using up precious oxygen that could be used for someone who will “positively” contribute to mankind.