April 26, 2009
Posted: April 26th, 2009 12:49 PM ET

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WASHINGTON (CNN) - President Barack Obama's decision to release four Bush-era memos regarding the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" was heavily criticized Sunday as a couple of prominent senators told CNN's John King that the decision was a potentially dangerous mistake.

"I think it was a mistake to release the techniques that we're talking about and inform our enemy as to what may come their way," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, said on "State of the Union."

Graham, who opposed the use of techniques that many consider to be torture, added that he still believed "there's a way to get good information in an aggressive manner to protect this nation without having to go into the Inquisition era."

Independent Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, who also opposed the use of such techniques, said the continued discussion would "make it harder for the president to do some of the big things he wants to do for the country - not just get the economy going, but get some Republican support for health care reform, energy independence and education reform."

"I go back to what the president said at the beginning, it is time to look forward," Lieberman said. "These are top secret documents. These were lawyers, you could disagree with them but in my opinion they were trying to do what they thought would protect our country."

Lieberman also argued that "this whole debate is moot. President Obama has prohibited these tactics from being used in interrogation, so what do we gain... by releasing the memos (and) from indicting lawyers for their opinions?"

Lieberman also said that, in his opinion, having a so-called "Truth Commission" to investigate the Bush record on interrogation would "poison the water here in Washington. It will achieve nothing. ... So let the Intelligence Committee do its work. That should be the end of it."

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, however, argued Sunday that the Bush-era interrogation techniques, not the release of their descriptions, were putting American lives at risk.

Gibbs pointed to comments from National Security Adviser and former Marine General Jim Jones that the continued use of the tactics had put U.S. troops at risk, and told NBC's "Meet the Press" that talk of torture had become a "rallying cry for those who wanted to kill us."

"Our country doesn't have to choose between keeping our people safe and the values that make us America," said Gibbs. "There are things this country just simply doesn't do."

And California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee argued that some kind of investigation was necessary.

"[W]e need to find these things out and we need to do it in a way that's calm and deliberative and professional, because I think all of this, on the front burner, before the public, does harm our intelligence gathering, it does harm America's position in the world."

Several Republicans characterized the dispute over the memos as a dangerous game of political gamesmanship.

Missouri GOP Sen. Kit Bond, appearing on "Fox News Sunday," called the release of the Bush memos "a stab in the back." Former presidential nominee John McCain, R-Arizona, said any talk of prosecution was about "settling old political scores."

"It was bad advice," McCain said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"But if you're going to criminalize bad advice on the part of lawyers, how are we going to get people to serve and what kind of precedent does that set for the future?"

Obama senior advisor Valerie Jarrett tried to play down the significance of the documents, telling CNN there was too much attention being paid to the memos.

"There's nothing in these documents that Americans hadn't seen all over the news," she said, adding that Obama believed it was time to release them and "move forward."

Jarrett appeared, however, to disagree with McCain's contention that former President Gerald Ford's decision to prevent the prosecution of former President Richard Nixon would be a good example to follow.

Obama, she emphasized, is leaving any prosecution decisions up to the attorney general.

Filed under: Dianne Feinstein • Joe Lieberman • Lindsey Graham • State of the Union • Valerie Jarrett


yves anthony   April 26th, 2009 4:26 pm ET

There we go again, the iraq situation or Iraq war that put the republican party out of power is in the front line again. The more time the republican politicians will try to justify the reason for the torture or tactics, whatever one wants to call it, more they are putting the foot in the mouth, and more despicable will look. Remember I said it before and I want to say it again: Americans are smart and will no longer take those stupid remarks by the reuplican politicians. I am an independent voter and voted for president Obama, althought I've voted republican in the past. I believe that I am part of the silent majority ( Independent). Yves Anthony Naples Florida

Gary   April 26th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

Waterboarding under the Bush Administration, rendition under Clinton, bombing Pakistan by Bush and Obama, Spying on Iran, North Korea etc, Picking up Somoli pirates these are all questionable actions in complicated circumstances that international lawyers can debate on both sides.

The point is that after 9/11 we all were very worried, the Bush administration took some extreme actions to keep us safe and he did keep us safe. Stop the monday morning quarterbacking and move on. Republicans and Democrats in congress were briefed and approved these measures. I think that we did the right thing.

T Mckinley   April 26th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

Breaking News: Senators rip White House for telling the American people, and the world, the TRUTH.

OMG! The White House telling people the TRUTH!

THAT is change!

Markus   April 26th, 2009 4:20 pm ET

Obama is like a reverse moth. Instead of flying toward the light he flies away from heat. As soon as he realized that Pelosi and other vocals Dims wanted to go after the previous administration he promptly reversed course and delegated the decision to Eric Holder (holder of the bag?). That way his (high school?) peer group is appeased and, hopefully, Holder takes the fall if history views this move as a national security disaster. Barack: "The buck stops here... with Eric." LOL!

lovable liberal   April 26th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Republicans prefer secret government and secret "law" to excuse their basic unwillingness to be bound by the Constitution.

Carl Justus   April 26th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

What do they say about the fact that we sentenced to death the Japanese after world war II for waterboarding our military??????

Bob   April 26th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

McCain said: "This was just bad advice (okaying torture) by Bush administration lawyers....and they should not be criminalized for using bad judgement"......Really.... Well, using that same logic, I guess the Nuremberg trials should never have proceeded in charging the Nazi with war crimes and crimes against humanity....

Alberta Treadway   April 26th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

I ask you to consider this! Is it ok for my grandson to torture the bully on the play ground because he is hurting him an his freinds? Now, if you said torture is ok, Will you pay my grandson bail out of jail for assaulting another child, or will you work with social service when they throw him in a boys home for abusive behavior? Will all you who said it was ok to torture, explain to my grandson why he has to go to jail or a boys home for torturing another human and no one in this last administration has to be held accountable for it? Why does money/power give a free pass to breaking our laws, while the common/ every day folk gets jail?

Charleston Native   April 26th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

I voted against Graham and the other republicans during the presidential election.

I hope more like minded people will join me in doing that again at the next election. We almost voted them out. I think the final numbers were 55% republican, 45% democrat here in SC. It's hard to get democratic votes here in the south, folks. The good-old-boy mentality is really ingrained into the people that live here.

The day we get rid of Graham and our governor Mark Sanford, we will be better off.

Linda   April 26th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

I have just one question for all of you people that think pouring water on someone's head in order to try to find out important information that would save American lives. If you knew that one of your loved ones was in danger of being killed by some of these TERRORIST–would you do anything within your power to save them???? If you say that you wouldn't, I don't think you would be telling the truth. I would do ANYTHING that I could to save my loved ones life. President Obama has weakened our National Defense and I am afraid that American lives will be lost because of this. His job is not to protect TERRORIST but the American people. Please ask yourself–What would I do to save my loved one??

Sun City West   April 26th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

The Swine Flue epidemic may be as symbolic of the age as it is frightening as a disease. You can hear the gang of eight squealing from wrath; being implicated as a conspirator to commit torture does not enhance ones re-election prospects. How fine it is to receive a fresh glimps of transperancy. Hopefully, we have arrived at the age when closed source agendas and “Let Them Eat Cake” politics is replaced by public dialogue and concencous or the sharpened edge of a legal guillotine.

Steve in Louisville   April 26th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

It would be news if the RePIGlican senators thought anything Obama did was a good idea.

artemisios   April 26th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

"Enhanced interrogation" simply lacks the gravitas - as one would expect from a mere translation. We should go back to the original German phrase Verschärfte Vernehmung so popular in the 30s and 40s.

Di/Allentown   April 26th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

So we don't prosecute anyone – no accountability for the US. What protection does that give our military should they be captured. The United States can do it and get away with it – so can we. Our soldiers are the ones that will suffer. Can't they see this???

If the law is the law and other have been prosecuted for doing the same thing, where do we get off saying we can do it and not be held accountable? Call it enhanced interrogation if you want, it was torture. That's just the Bush Adminstration "word games" of the last eight years.

No this isn't about politics, this is about morals. The US is not above the law.

Besides, Cheney wants the memos released, what's all the hoopla about with Graham?

Frozone   April 26th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Torture is not a political philosophy–it's a crime. The only way to move forward is to respect the laws of this country and prosecute all those involved in torture.

kate   April 26th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Who among the Republicans will have the courage to say that it is important to know WHO thought they could wiggle around the Geneva Convention accords?The Republicans seem ALL to want to distance themselves from this by saying, "it's in the past," "let's move on," "silly to bring it up." The people of the U.S. want accountability and transparency - we want it in government's use of our tax money, we want it when bad policies are enacted in our name or on our behalf. Many of the comments I have heard in favor of using "enhanced interrogation" mention that it helped keep America safe. Then why would they want to disown their involvement in keeping America safe? Why not say "I ordered this because I .....to keep America safe?"

I WONDER   April 26th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

Lets stop and think a minute here... About using torture....

WHAT IF.....

The United States of America said to the rest of the world.........

HELL YES WE ARE GOING TO USE TORTURE,,,,, IF YOU TAKE ONE OF OUR SOLDIERS AND HARM THEM, IF YOU BOMB OUR CITIZENS, IF YOU DESTROY OUR MONITARY SYSTEM, IF YOU AND/OR YOUR COUNTRY DO ANYTHING TO CAUSE OUR COUNTRY AND/OR IT'S CITIZENS HARM IN ANY WAY YES, WE WILL TORTURE YOU AND YOUR KIND UNTIL YOUR EYES FALL OUT AND YOUR EARS POP...... SO JUST GO AHEAD AND TRY SOMETHING SO WE CAN COME AFTER YOU......

I wonder how that would work as an agression stopper... Of course then, the United States could only protect our own shores, the rest of the world would have to look out for them selves.. But I really wonder how that would work...

As least the rest of the world would know we were going to get to the bottom of who tried to do us in and they would know we were coming after them...

morefromLA   April 26th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

Lindsey, get a grip. We're telling the world precisely what is NOT going to come their way. Torture is no longer a (ineffective) way for us to go about defending our country.

susan   April 26th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

These cover-up Republicans make me sick.
The Constitution means nothing to them nor the morality of our people–just protecting their elective butts.
As to Lieberman, his loyalty is to Israel and we know from Gaza what they stand for.

DawnS   April 26th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

Why didn't Feinstein take any action when Democrats took over Congress in January 2007? She could have stopped the torture back then. Feinstein is just an opportunist who has no principle and is just bending to the prevailing wind.

Frank   April 26th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

WOW! Republican United States senators endorse torture, or at least not telling about it we did torture. Has any one of them stepped away from partisanship and sucking up to Fox News long enough to think about what their comments really mean? Trust me when I say that the Romans used "enhanced interrogation techniques" on Jesus. How morally empty is the Republican party's issue position?

Common Sense   April 26th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

Sooner or later it may dawn on the old republicans that when they start to blather ... rational people just turn off and tune out.

They had their chance to lead 2000-2008 and we can all see how well that turned out: they had their choice of candidate for President and selected McCain/Palin – whom no one is wishing was in office.

No new ideas from republicans in this century and very few useful ones from the last century. same old – same old ...

political junkie in nc   April 26th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

I am a democrat and proud of it.

Lucy, I have to agree with you. I have been watching John King's program for a few weeks now. His reporting and questioning (especially in those segments where he ges to talk to the people) is always slanted with a hint of his republican views. So much for fair and balanced. Oh, that's that other network/C NN; isn't it?

NOT !!!!

MK   April 26th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

Will those SAME senators "rip" Dick Cheney for getting the memos that he wants released so he can attempt to prove why he committed war crimes?

IndyVoter   April 26th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

First of all CNN, the Senators did not "RIP" the President (I saw the broadcast. Enough with sensationalist headlines). They merely disagreed with him and later in the same interview, Sen. Feinstein and Leiberman praised him for the great job that he's done so far as President. Tell the whole story please.

Beth   April 26th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Actually, Graham was against waterboarding. But he is also against releasing the documents, as were 5 former CIA heads, including the current one. Yes, Transparency is a good thing, but there are some things that just need to be kept secret. Revealing information to terrorists is one of them.
All you people crying "toruture this, torture that", think about one thing. Would you waterboard someone to save your own child? If you answered yes, then you can't fault someone for doing the same. If you answered no, then you are a sick human being.

Richard Larson   April 26th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

There was a time when Sen. Graham very publicly dithered, tip-toed, and waffled when it came to making a principled stand against the so-called "inhanced interrogation techniques" to be used by U.S. operatives in the "War Against Terror." That was during Senate hearings on the criminal activities at Abu Ghraib. He expressed his legal reservations, but gave in to pressure from the Bush administration when it came to making a moral stand. I, for one, who was once a professional soldier, was extremely disappointed that a man who had participated in Courts Martial, both as a trial lawyer and a judge; and who was very well acquainted with historical Army Standard Operating Procedures and the Laws of War, would allow himself to be so completely beholden to political expediency as to betray basic moral principles as he did that day.

Given Graham's history of pandering to political expediency over a principled moral stand, I have difficulty in believing that he can be believed in anything he would have to say now on torture.

Andrea   April 26th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

The U.S. is a government for the people, by the people and that especially includes those who aren't elected or appointed lying, criminal government officials. We have the right to know what our government is up to behind closed doors – especially when it's illegal! In 2004 it was reported that we were water boarding prisoners – no new news. What is new are the abhorrent details. The GOP is only trying to protect those who should be investigated and charged with war crimes – Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest.

Unshrub   April 26th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

All these Impotent republicans know what to do is whine.

Palermo   April 26th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

The release of the memos does not, as Sen. Graham claims, alert our enemies to what is coming their way. It tells the world that we are not barbarians. I am still astonished at the people who continue to support the use of torture. Whether it works or not is absolutely irrelevant. Where does a government draw the line, and who decides?...only use it against "enemies" or foreigners? History has shown over and over again that when this door opens, it always eventually leads to governments using these tactics against their own people.

If we need to torture our enemies to win, we are already so morally bankrupt that we deserve to lose.

Richard Neffson   April 26th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Republicans, Ronald Reagan was the one who committed the United States to prosecuting those individuals who committed or authorized the use of torture. Torture was committed by the United States because as John McCain himself has acknowledged waterboarding is torture. Therefore if we are a nation of laws those who violate the laws must be prosecuted.

jason   April 26th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

I would have gladly done what the intelligence community did even if I knew I would go to jail. To protect my family, communtiy, and nation I would go to any means nessesary. If it were not for the enhanced techniques the Broklyn Bridge and LA would have been their next targets not to mention we would not have caught the master minds of September 11th. I do not agree with all the techniques used. I personally have been through all of these techniques in my training with the military. They suck but they do not cause bodily harm. They rattle your brain a little but nothing long term. If rattling a few bad guys, who would cut your head of as your family watches, is inappropriate then letting innocent people come under harms way means nothing to you.

Rob in Detroit Mi.   April 26th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

You rip the president for releasing human right's violations,the republicans are scum,every body is upset because you have been exsposed to Castro,Chavez,Kim jung ILL,all the people we have pointed a finger at.now the chicken's have come home to roost.

Judy   April 26th, 2009 2:37 pm ET

John King is a horrible journalist. Not once did he mention that President Obama was responding to a law suit in releasing these memos, and he did so only after great debate and thought. He didn't just wake up one day and say "Hey, Let's release some classified memos today."

Also, Mr. King didn't correct Sen. Graham when he said -"I think it was a mistake to release the techniques that we're talking about and inform our enemy as to what may come their way." President Obama put an end to these techniques on his first full day of office.

I never thought I would say this, but PLEASE bring Wolf back to the Sunday show.

Don   April 26th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

I remember a place where prisoners were tortured and information was routinely kept from the people. It was called the USSR, and we didn't think it was right then. Why should we now?

lady in the know   April 26th, 2009 2:35 pm ET

Let's put "torture" in perspective...it is the feelings that the people felt on the airplanes that were hijacked and plowed into buildings and that field in Shanksville. It is the feelings of the loved ones listening to the last words of their loved ones on the cellphones while they were plunging to their deaths on those planes. It is the feelings of the people leaping to their deaths from the World Trade Centers and the ones falling to theirs on the inside when the towers collapsed. It is the feelings of the ones left behind that they will feel for the rest of their lives. It is the feelings that the ones that survived will feel when they look in the mirror and see the scars left from that day. And the mental scars will never heal either. And how many can honestly say they don't feel anger and hatred for the terrorists that did those deeds. And when we are presented with the photos of the planes slicing into the towers, how many among us can say we don't feel anger at the Muslims. My point is-this is torture, waterboarding isn't. And the release of the photos will have the same effect on the rest of the world as the photos of those planes do to us. Think about it when you are on your righteous high horse. You can't fight a forest fire with a garden hose, in other words, you can't fight a war by being nice. And sometimes you have to break the rules to win.

simon   April 26th, 2009 2:34 pm ET

You can imagine, Alkaida terrorist inhumanly has killed more than 3000 innocent people in twin tower NY. They killed not just torturing those victims. We are supposed to kill those terrorists that have proven part of Alkaida (not just to torture). Then people that oppose to technique used to get information to avoid repeating terrorist act those people include Barack Obama and congress and in Senate without realizing that if previous adm accused to torture killers of more than 3000 people then you prosecute those involved in so called torture technique it means also those people would like to give reward to those terrorist that going to release from Guantanamo jail because they will file law suit to US gov. millions of dollar each. That means also those people who wanted to support that technique is a torture, also will reward terrorist millions of dollars each after they kill thousands of US citizen?

Trang   April 26th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

You should live as if your life is transparent before God w/ nothing to hide, because secrets tend to be exposed w/ time. Torture our fellow human beings is wrong and should be stopped. Release the memos might reveal things that we don't want to hear or acknowledge, but it's better to be faced w/ the truth. We are not perfect. We apologize and move on and try to improve ourselves. It seems the Republicans are defending torture, and if that's true, I don't think they have a future. We don't want to feel like 'ugly' Americians. We want to feel 'proud' of being Americans.

arithmetic is liberal   April 26th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

Graham: Wait! You can't release those memos! They'll tarnish the image of the Republican Par- I mean America!

Larry from RI   April 26th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Torture is illegal and is a crime against humanity – you can not justify it under the Geneva Conventions or any other legal framework.

Who has the moral high ground when one of our troops end up as a POW – what will you say then? It's still OK to torture?

What if Iran decides to water board the US journalist they have accused of spying? Is that OK because it is in their national security interests?

These Senators have proven themselves to be no better than our enemy is – animals!

Melissa   April 26th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

The Republicans just don't like being asked to take responsibility for their own dirty underwear. US enemies already knew what was going on and so did citizens. US enemies have never needed proof of anything to attack and would do so anyway. The US citizens just now have the proof that they deserve so they can officially protest it.

Sean in FL   April 26th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

"...without having to go into the Inquisition era." Wait a second! The "water cure", aka water boarding (modern term), was the first level of torture employed by the Spanish Inquisition.

Maybe Sen. Graham is referring to the fact that this form of torture actually predates the Inquisition. If you are a hypocritical liar like most Republicans seem to be these days then yup, you're right, we don't have to go back to the Inquisition era to retrieve information from suspects. We can go back to BEFORE the Inquisition era and use those techniques.

Whew! That was a good save Sen. Graham. I sure can't wait until you go back to being Mr. Graham. I've had enough of this "man" who hates bailouts but whose state is a federally funded welfare state. For each $1 that goes to the Federal Government in tax receipts South Carolina receives $1.35 back. What a joker.

Gerry   April 26th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

The Republicans may not know this but democracy is best defended by an informed public. How are we Americans to make intelligent and informed decisions about the conduct of our elected officials if they are constantly hiding and evading and otherwise misleading us into thinking that they are doing something they are not or they are doing something that they don’t want us to know about? “Ripping” is what the Republicans did to the Constitution during their past eight years in power. President Obama is right in keeping the American public informed about the conduct of our elected leaders and holding their behavior to the light of public scrutiny. The Republicans have a major liability in regards to the torture practices of the Bush administration; they do not want the facts of their conduct to become public knowledge in an official way. Everything that was in those memos was already public information; it had not been released by an official of the federal government. My congratulations to President Obama for opening up the conduct of the federal government in respect to the use of integration techniques that the US military has said were considered torture.

German,Irish American   April 26th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

Wonder how many of the memos that show the results of the "harsh interrogation" are being destroyed by the Obama administration because it would show that they worked? Otherwise why isn't he releasing the complete interrogation memos and results? Democrats have a history of destroying classified information illegally, remember Sandy Burger?

Franky   April 26th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

This ain't big news, this is old news, and if the GOP are telling me if they were in that situation, they also would not have released anything...that's all a bunch of bullcrap, as far as I'm concerned, my boy ain't breaking any promises, the left want you dead GOP...ohh yeah, dead!! LOL!!!

This is what you get, you should have seen it coming...

VON BISMARK,Vienna.   April 26th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Their reaction is more out of fear than good reasoning.They have a lot to hide.Would their reaction be the same if it were the other way round? They claim the democratic comgressional leadership was aware of the so-called enhanced interrogation methods.But they are for investigation because they have nothing to hide.

Donna from Colorado Springs   April 26th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

What a shock for a bunch of Republican senators to be upset about this! Of course they are! They should be totally embarrassed that the administration that they loved so much would act so evil and lie to everybody about was was going on! The entire eight years that we had to go through with them was a big fat lie, and the American people deserve to hear the ENTIRE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT WENT ON! The Republicans want to put a spin on everything and whine that releasing the memos was wrong. The time for keeping secrets is over!

Terry   April 26th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

I support the release of all classified information relating to the treatment and interrogation of prisoners since 2000. We need to know what Americans were doing and why they did it.

I also oppose the prosecution of Americans who obeyed their orders. They were told that those orders were lawful by their superiors, by their Attorney General (if he doesn't know the law, then who does), by their President, and by adoring American voters who told them they were doing a wonderful and patriotic job. We all knew that the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay were not playing pattycake with their guards. We all knew the CIA was handing prisoners to other nations for torture that was much more severe than waterboarding. We, as a nation, re-elected the administration who was doing all that.

If we must prosecute, then I recommend that we start with the voters who voted to re-elect Bush after they knew that the Administration was torturing prisoners (don't pretend you didn't). I say, let's interrogate the people who voted and compel them to tell us who they voted for. Those who voted for Bush should, of course, be imprisoned as co-conspirators. Some of those voters will lie, of course, to avoid prison, so we may have to waterboard them a few dozen times to get the truth out of them. In a democracy, the buck stops with the voters. Our elected officials were doing what most of us approved of – while public opinin favored the war.

Who did you vote for? Perhaps YOU should be prosecuted.

Kathy in Minnesota   April 26th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

While these despicble acts were going on, Lindsay Graham was looking the other way.

So nice of him to be upset that the Bush/Cheney Administration was breaking the laws of Morality.

erika morgan   April 26th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

I can understand why Republicans and Democrats are very worried about openness in the way our government works because they are all equally culpable for wrong behavior. This is the reason for the suspicion and disapproval with which the public views Congress. I ask these leaders to take note: we Americans, Sovereign Citizens are going to assert our right for collective self determination as promised by our democratic constitution. The cat is out of the bag and will not be stuffed back in. A political awakening has happened.

Legal remedies for probable violations of the law are never political wrangling. Legal remedies bringing the light of day upon shrouded acts allow democracy where continued disinformation prevents democracy and is a form of diabolical tyranny, that the world has seen too much of. Legal remedies allow righteous citizens to once again hold up their heads. Legal remedies restore America to a rightful place in the family of nations. Legal remedies are the only way folks in other nations can be inspired that economic investment in America is a prudent idea. Legal remedies are the road for America to take as a necessary part of dusting off the transgressions of the past in order to get to any sort of future including a place at the table with honorable people. In short legal remedies going up and down the whole cascade of the acts are the only thing that can save the America, we find ourselves in; they are our one ticket left to declaring that we are still a democracy who respects the rule of law in the end.

Francheska   April 26th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

Lindsey Graham needs to go to work for the state of South Carolina. I was stationed there while I was in the AF and South Carolina is a poor and poorly educated state,

As far as torture, it should never be done. The United States signed agreements saying we would not do it. Just because Bush found lawyers willing to rewrite law, does not make it right.

Farrell, Houston, Tx   April 26th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

Most intelligent American citizens can think better than some of these idiots in Washington because they can't seem to figure their way out of a paper bag. I get tired of hearing about their useless opinions.

Erik in Real Pennsylvania   April 26th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

Graham and Lieberman are "prominent" senators all right...prominent right-wingers embodying irrelevance. Lieberman si about as "Independent" as Fox News.

Surely there are ways for our intelligence community to stay vigilant without our participation in torture. I know some people would justify torture or killing a number of non-Americans to possibly save American lives. I can understand that sentiment, but the key word is "possibly." How much of our national noble bearing should we give up due to fear? At what point do we inflict harm on a person without a trial, and hope the information we receive as a result will do some good? Who decides when we cross this line (or allow others to do it for us), and under what Constitutional authority? I just cannot give up American honor for the uncertain chance of some shreds of data gained by torturing people. Life is risk, bad things like terrorism will always happen, and if that's the price of some illusion of safety, I'm unwilling to pay it.

Surely there are other ways.

Tariq   April 26th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

First, these techniques will NEVER be used again Graham. Second, torture is still a horrible experience whether you know about it going to war or not. Third, when our enemies capture and torture our soldiers...I'd like to see Graham and Lieberman say the same thing in their defense.

Stop with "looking forward" idea because you have to look back and confront crimes if you really intend to put it behind you.

Graham is an idiot and should stop talking.

a lincoln   April 26th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

I have sympathy for the Bush White House. It was colossally WRONG to authorize torture, of course – but I can understand how, in panic, hubris & ignorance they built themselves into that box where such criminal & unconstitutional acts seemed to make sense.

What I can't understand is how any of these politicians and pundits can sit on TV stages today and defend or explain away any of it.

They only way forward for the US is to give a full accounting to the world.

William Charlotte, NC   April 26th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

"I think it was a mistake to release the techniques that we're talking about and inform our enemy as to what may come their way," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina

Lindsey, Do you not think they already knew.... since they were the ones we were waterboarding. Up until now, your "NO'S" were at least plausible, but this is indefensible. It is not whether it is effective or not.... PLAIN AND SIMPLE... IT IS AGAINST THE LAW...THOSE THAT DID IT SHOULD BE PUNISHED.... AMERICA DOES NOT TORTURE.

Also Lindsey, when Obu Graib was in the news, Cheney and Rummy admitted to torture... Pictures were released then.. Remember Rummy saying a "few bad apples did this and caused our country harm." Now we find out that these SOB's (Cheney, Rice, Bush and Rummy) knew all along because they had ORDERED it! The worse part, for these "American loving hypocrites," they let the soldiers take the blame for it and go to prison. Why should they be treated any differently?

Barbara   April 26th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Of course Graham would say what he said. He and other Republicans should realize they'd gain more respect if -just for 0nce-they 'd say something positive about President Obama instead of playing by party guidelines each and every time. I don't bother to listen to them because I know what they are going to say. Remember in Miracle on 34th Street-when the Macy's Santa sent customers to other stores if Macy's didn't have what they were looking for..same thing here-if they'd answer by putting the country first instead of always being a Republican-or vice-versa with a Democrat speaking-then I think we'd all be better off. President Obama is doing a great job-not that we all agree on everything but he is out there-trying-and that is quite refreshing!

Texas Teacher   April 26th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Lindsey "the middle class is a bunch of whinners" Graham and Joe "I'm think I'm on the winning side and that is all that counts" Lieberman have absolutely nothing to say that is in any way relevant to what our President decides to do on any issue. Why they are given such press is beyond me. It's like listening to the foxes defend the hen house raids and the leader of the pack!

Yanni4   April 26th, 2009 2:01 pm ET

Basically, these people are ok with torture; as long as nobody knows about it.

Isn’t it hypocritical for those whom advocated war against a nation in the name of freedom, peace and human right promote torture as the means for their cause?

It is remarkable to notice that their value system highly conditional. People know and they can see through this tortured logic.

John-Sturgis, S. Dakota   April 26th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

Taxpayers have forked over hundreds of billions of dollars for defense technologies, and the best our war monkeys can do is come up with torture used by human sadists before the bronze age. How embarrassing. I expect anyone in the US government who finds these torture techniques acceptable to use, will be good enough to submit to the procedure themselves. If our police departments demonstrate taser strikes, and mace formula's on the officers who use the tools of their trade, so should the US Congress, DoD, CIA, and the VP if your name is Cheney. You should know first hand if the techniques you order to be used on another living creatures is right. Because we can, doesn't mean we should.

The Teester   April 26th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

Graham and Lieberman are about ready to become extinct, their rhetoric and charges are of old school white Republicans and their time is past. Same thing for the short-sided and "party-first" pundits like Flush Limbo, Sean Insannity., and Anne Colderrrrr...let the party of NO continue as they will soon be the party of NO MORE.

Walter   April 26th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

The release of those memos was only dangerous to the people whose names appear at the end of them. And these mealy mouthed apologists for torture in the Senate know that.

Patricia   April 26th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

Why does Obama hate Bush so....My god bush was only trying to keep America safe....Its more then i can say for Obama ...Why isn't Obama upset about the torture 3000 people went through on 911? and the American people......God will Obama stop at nothing to get Bush....It seems it's all Obama has on his mind.....

Jason   April 26th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

It's very strange how these arrogant politicians and pundits have actually succeeded by OPENLY behaving as though torture wouldn't be such a big deal if no one paid attention to it. How?

It's like watching everyone eat live human babies or something: and all i can do is sit here and watch horror struck, wondering "how in the hell did this become acceptable?"

I want to know who these fools are that are convinced by their arguments? How is it I can go to jail for possession of marijuana, but the people who stick things into people, uninvited, actually get defended by the same people who would rather send me to jail for harmless lifestyle choices? I can get fined for speeding, but they can get away with a crime second only to murder?

Who's sticking up for these people? Why?

Texas Teacher   April 26th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Cheney is a sadist... pure and simple. That is why he went around with an evil sneer on his face for 8 years. I'll bet he got his rocks off feeling like a dictator for 8 years.... above and beyond the law.
He was contemptous of the American people. In fact, he thought that he and the republican party WERE law. If he wanted torture, he got torture whether it worked or not. And he wanted torture. The man is evil... and now he is not so sure that he is going to get off "scott free"... and I hope he is right! NO ONE is ABOVE the LAW! Not even Dick Cheney!

JonDie   April 26th, 2009 1:53 pm ET

Why don't Stalinists and religious fundamentalist extremists like Lindsay Graham move to Iran or Russia, where Stalinism is still the rule? I prefer to live in a country where the rule of law is enforced, not the rule of the torturers and terrorists whom Graham defends.

GOPer   April 26th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Obama is doing the right thing. Cheney started this entire discussion. Now its time for the truth to come out!

ttofast70@comcast.net   April 26th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Lindsey Graham sounds like Truman Capote. Is he a "Log Cabin" republican?????

Dave NYC   April 26th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

OK a couple of Rpeublican senators criticized Obama for releasing memos which THEY agreed with. These guys are only trying to save their own backsides for being complicit in torture. That's the reason they are going on the offense.

June in FL   April 26th, 2009 1:47 pm ET

Do you really think the terrerist or al Quada didn't already know what kind of interrogations were being done? They are far from stupid....just stupid in their extremism

Wily Brown   April 26th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

This will come back and bite the democrats hard starting 2010 and 2012. Continuing to bash that last administration is all they have accomplished.

Johnny5   April 26th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

It seems to me the Republican Party is more concerned with the release of the memos, than our Government (top officials) breaking the law.

If the use of torture saved lives, then Cheney feels breaking the law was justifiable. Isn't that the same attitude our enemies have? George Bush said his administration was against torture, now Cheney says we received valid information during the torture process.

What was the word people are using to describe Pres. Obama's stance on the issue of torture?

Doreen   April 26th, 2009 1:44 pm ET

All this from the country that likes to call itself the greatest country in the world – not anymore. Great countries don't torture – simple as that. This gets more revolting by the day.

Doreen J., Canada

Letcommonsenseprevail   April 26th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

Are all of you people that naive so as to think this hasn't been going on for decades? Every president knows it's going on and turns a blind eye. It's called protecting the country without a shooting war or cold war. Unfortunately, since we have all these bleeding hearts the cold, harsh realities of what war is really about is coming to light and they don't like it. Now that they have a puppet in the WH, they can force thier agenda and get revenge on the Bush administration for preventing any further attacks. HOW DARE HE DEFEND OUR COUNTRY?!!!

Morons, wake up. They attacked first, we attacked better.

I Am The Great And Powerful Rush Of Oz   April 26th, 2009 1:37 pm ET

Yeah lindsey, be afraid of openness in government.

p smith   April 26th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

This has nothing to do with national security because the memos had to be de-classified in order to be released in the first place. Apparently news about torture has been leaking for quite a while. This has to do w/ the fact that all this happened on a Republican watch and now there has to be "damage control" by them. The best way to do that in Graham's opinion and others is to throw negative statements out to the nation that what the Obama administration is doing is wrong.

Bill   April 26th, 2009 1:34 pm ET

Oh, the outrage! The fake outrage!

Somebody hose the senators down with cold water, please.

Bill   April 26th, 2009 1:34 pm ET

Please why are the news shows put these Republican on the Sunday talk shows anyway? We all know what they are going to trash the President regardless what the President does. President Obama can not even chew gum without these Republicans finding something to complain about please GOP give it a rest.

I seem to recall Senator Graham being in the House a few years back preaching the Rule of Law concerning President Clinton? I guess the GOP is only concern about the Rule of Law if the Dems break the law?

Again GOP you lost and the way you are going in 2010 you will lose more seats in Congress!

Truth 1st   April 26th, 2009 1:33 pm ET

Mr. Lieberman and Mr. Graham is waterboarding a crime or not?

I don't care about whether you think it was politically expedient to release these memos or not .... I care about the truth.

Dan, TX   April 26th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

Why should the government spend our tax dollars on this swine flu stuff. Let market forces take care of it. WE DON'T NEED Government.

Proud American   April 26th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

Why would anyone quote or print anything that Lindsey Graham has to say? Who cares what any Moron who chose to stand on the wrong side of history has to say?

Lynda/Minnesota   April 26th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

I find it ironic that conservatives are so willing to toss their strong Christian values aside when those values get in the way of their personal safety, finances, or bigotry.

I have always thought that the Bush Administration was the most dangerous when trying to convince Americans that decisions being made were for our safety and our protection. Fear engulfed this country after 9/11, and sadly it still does. Because we are a nation built on strong principals and ethics, we should never let our personal protection or individual safety overlook our moral judgement. To do so makes us no better than those we oppose.

And, yes, I am a Christian.

usualone   April 26th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

Has Lindsey Graham ever said anything "positive" about President Obama and his team?

Ed, Santa Fe, NM   April 26th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

What moronic statements.... like "the enemy" couldn't figure out what torture techniques we used?

The real reason the GOP is upset is because we caught Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld is yet another LIE....

I wish these stupid GOP duds would just plain SHUT UP.... America is NOT a fascist nation, despite the 8 rotten years of Bushco.

29% of Americans are TRAITORS for wanting America to FAIL and 71% of Americans to SUFFER!   April 26th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

The way Graham, and Lieberman slobber and fawn all over McCain, I think they are into threewaysl

sandy   April 26th, 2009 1:24 pm ET

Why does his opposing the release of these memos not surprise me. I think the American people better get used to the fact that the Republicans are going to oppose this President no matter what he does or says. They are really showing their true colors. Instead of working with him to solve all of our problems, they are consistantly fighting him. So much for bipartisanship.

Marty   April 26th, 2009 1:20 pm ET

Graham and Liberman– -what a joke. Two (diot) some. Friends of McCain- losers
John King – what is up with you?

christine case   April 26th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

I would suggest that everyone watch the movie Rendition. If you don't think for a minute that torture like that didn't occur in the other countries where we set up secret prisons, I think you are in for a rude awakening. The last eight years of the Bush administration, anything was O.K. The memos that Obama released do not give the terrorists any great revelations as to what we will do. It will maybe bring us to our senses that we as the greatest nation in the world and that we will behave in a way that gives us back our moral authority and dignity. We can behave in a civilized manner as we did for decades. Let us rebuild the admiration that the world had for us before the Bush era.

Mike Morris   April 26th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

John King is turning out to be a huge disappointment as host of a Sunday morning show. His guests turn out to be primarily people like Dick Cheney, who is desperately trying to cover up misdeeds from his time in office and other losers like Lieberman.

At one time I thought John King should be given his own show, but now I tune him out very quickly and get mey fix elsewhere. Too bad. John has been a good reporter and perhaps that what he should be doing.

Joan , Ontario   April 26th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

These policies are not news. They have been public for some time but the Bush administration lied and kept saying "We don't torture". It was all going to come out in a court case soon anyway. Now the Republicans are "outraged" again because the truth came out. Every time Cheney opens his mouth or appears on TV it just reminds everyone all over again about many of the Bush/Cheney misadventures and the serious flaws in their policies. He would be wise to just go quietly away. He is the gift that just keeps on giving for the Democrats. He keeps saying the tortures kept America safe but one of their arguments was that information prevented a plot on a building in LA. However, that plot was known before that suspect was interrogated. Also, he brags that they kept the homeland safe but 911 happened nine months into their reign and they had been forewarned about it. Since then there have been no attacks on US soil but thousands of wonderful Americans have died or been wounded in Iraq. Don't they count? He almost sounds like he hopes or is expecting an attack on the homeland so he can say "I told you so". His bitter and negative comments do nothing to help your country.

The Veteran   April 26th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

Look: Anybody who knows anything about intelligence knows that the enemy will get their information from the former detainees. That's how we did it. Making a big deal over the memos is ludicrous. Much ado about nothing.

The Senators are wrong. Al Qaeda will look at the info, but they will go by what former detainees tell them regarding our tactics.

Any terrorist that uses our memos over their own intelligence is doomed. We all know this.

richard miller   April 26th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

But it is okay to burn CIA agents and not be prosecuted?????

M J   April 26th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

Shut up or leave Graham. You are on the wrong side of morality and history.

Will SouthDakota   April 26th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

Americans deserve to know how our government operates with in times of war and with detainees. Openess is RULE for America, if Senators don't like they don;t have to represent us anymore and can quit the Senate or the House. Americans deserve representatives who speak with our voice and not thier SPECIAL INTERESTS and their LOBBYISTS voices and money.

Jean in Virginia   April 26th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

I don't want torture used in my name by my government. It has been shown definitively in the past that torture does not work. It makes our country into something that the first settlers were trying to escape from and it belittles the name and honor of the United States of America. Those who think otherwise should try living under the Taliban or in Saudi Arabia. We do not torture. Period.

S Callahan   April 26th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

My question is...has anyone asked former President Bush what he thinks of the release..perhaps he has changed thinking on this.

flybyshoeing   April 26th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

So basically what they are saying is that they wanted President Obama and the DOJ to break the law? Since the release of the memos was by court order the Administration should have showed the court their middle finger? Didn't the previous Administration try that and they lost on appeal? I don't get these guys. I wish the torture hadn't happened, but it did. We are all going to have to deal with it. President Obama needs to reverse reverse the punishment of all those convicted of the abuses at Abu Ghaib and immediately released the soldier that is currently in prison. Put Rumfeld in the cell in his place.

Ron   April 26th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

All these Republican Senators calling the release of the memos a mistake or a stab in the back is kind of funny... given the fact that the WH was following the law. Not that the current version of the Republican Party cares about that at all though. Oh and Graham says out one side of his mouth that we alerting our enemies as to what they might be in for and out the other says we can good intel without using coercive (torture) techniques... snake. Slimy little hypocrite.

gary davis   April 26th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

Joe Lieberman( mr. magoo.) still can't figure out what side of the fence to purch himself. or as he does goes were the wind blows.

and what is comming out of Lindsey Grahams mouth wow

we need to hold those responsible for bad interigations accountable . or we are no better than the small groups of radicals that need to have control of humanity ( mainly their women )
all this country needs to do is get the word out all over the world that women can have rights and should have freedom. every time we get involved in some political war anywere in the world it all goes right back to women being able to have freedoms . with out men being in control.

these small groups are at war with the world moving forward .they don't like to loose control of human rights . it would make them feel little .like they really are literally little . with out power they have nothing

lucy   April 26th, 2009 1:02 pm ET

John King is becoming another shill for the GOP right wing – maybe he should go back to sports until his understanding of politics, economics, and international relations achieves a little more depth. .

skeeve   April 26th, 2009 1:01 pm ET

And another republican clearly demonstrated that all these people can do it to follow party line. Not a single independent thought.

Dennis   April 26th, 2009 1:01 pm ET

I would find it more constructive if individuals would spend the same amount of energy striving to tear others down, by finding ways to work together to solve some of our nations biggest problems. How many billions of dollars have we spent to reap revenge on a handful of terrorists who killed over 3,000 Americans by spending $3.98 for a box cutter? In a mad rush to reap destruction we have nearly bankrupt this country. Have we not learned from the old Soviet Union? So let's continue to get down in the gutter an snipe at everything that the people who were put into power by the American people want to do or do. The intelligent Amerians want to move on, those who continue to want to live in the past, will continue to threw grenades. The more they do, the more Americans will leave the dark side.

katiec   April 26th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

The republicans are against releasing the memos as it further proves what kind of president and administration they totally supported.
And, it informs the enemy what may come their way?? Graham says he is against torture then states we are giving out future secrets?
Our country will not tolerate future illegal actions by our government.

Wonder what their comments would have been if the Democrats had been in power when this happened. No, really don't, it would have
been hypocritical indignation and calls for justice.

Jason-port orange   April 26th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

Umm...the world knew Bush did this type of stuff...he just covered it up...at least Obama is not covering our faults. The information from waterboarding is crappy info. Just like the salem witch hunting...torture someone enough and they are bound to tell you what you want to hear.

Had It   April 26th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

BTW – Gerald Ford and Nixon did NOT send over 4,000 of our military to their death for "daddy's war".

Had It   April 26th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

Graham? Lieberman?

Gee – who would expect these comments from those two?

phoenix85   April 26th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

Lindsey Graham needs to work for the American people, our boys in Iraq were endangered by the disregard of the rules of war by Bush/Cheney

very irresponsible

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