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yes yes oh this is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH YES YES YES . talking about stuff years ago, done to men who slaughtered 3000 americans. When are you people going to grow up. When are you Dems and Republicans going to shut up and HELP US OUT OF THIS ECONOMY???????????????? hello, this is stuff that is over and done with, lets deal with current problems, or are you all too lazy for that ? get with the program, help us with problems of now, not shadows of yester year. PLEASE, stop this now. stop this now. stop this now

@Robin: "Easy way to solve this…

Obama can use that time to show his birth certificate too. Not that I care, but the fact that the man is going to spend over a million dollars to keep his birth certificate sealed peaks my interest."

First of all, I can't believe extremists like you are still beating the birth certificate dead horse. Obama DID release his birth certificate, posted it on his web site, and it has been viewed and verified. STOP THE LIES.

Second, did you or anyone else read the entire story? The documents CANNOT BE DECLASSIFIED yet due to two ongoing lawsuits. It's the last paragraph of the story. Go look for it. You can't miss it.

Chaney should read the sign above the door to his left and (Exit) our lives forever.

Everyone needs to watch the movie Taxi to the Dark Side. You'll notice two things: one, how criminal Cheney and Rummy are; two, how honorable McCain is. It's also an interesting thing to hear from hte very soldiers who were given the job of "soliciting information" from prisoners. The soldiers were tried in court while the policy makers got off free.

People:

Please, we need the FACTS before we make a judgement!

Hmmm... this whole turtore thing is a waste of time! As a country we should be looking forward and not backwards, seeking revenge or to teach "someone" a lesson

Peace

Show me, show me, show me Senator Carl Levin. Show the American people to back up your words. Until then I refuse to believe anything that comes out of your mouth.

Sure is good to have a little more documentary evidence that shows what we've always known: the ex-VP is a fear-mongering liar.

Levin and the Democrats (both MI senators, MI governor, Detroit Mayor, etc.) should be proud that their state has the highest unemployment, the worst schools, the highest dropout and teen pregnancy rates, and the worst economy of any state. Oh yeah, and the former Mayor ( a Democrat) is in jail. Nice deflection.

Do we really need to see a document to know that Dick Cheney is a liar?

To those of you wondering why Obama is not releasing the memos, here's why. They would show clearly the lies and deceptions coming from Cheney and others. The population would force a complete investigation and those criminals would be charged. Obama is doing his best to avoid it. You might disagree with him, but he thinks that with all the problems right now, there is no looking back and no time to waste on criminals who are out of power anyway.

i love cheney.

I find it truly hypocritical that some are asking Levin to provide proof or he's the liar. How come Cheney isn't/wasn't held to the same standard – ever?

Makes one wonder what Cheney's motives are for addressing these issues of torture now! It would seem that Cheney would need both a strong stomach and a good heart to deal with the matters so raised by his talking of late! I would suspect that Levin is correct nad that Cheney has been doing a great deal of being a contrarian about his deeds or misdeeds in the Bush administration. Even Bush isn't saying very much about the exploits of his administration other than saying the safe things like we saved lives! Sounds an awful lot like watching too many Tom Cruise movies!

As he continues to maintain his ranking as the biggest Dick of our time. Much bigger than even Tricky Dick Nixon.
God Bless America!!!

Carl Levin- the only Democrat with any guts.

get ready for the slammer dick!

Did the people posting on here, those that are demanding the documents get released and burying Levin, read the article or just the headline? Levin was quoted as saying he hoped they get released so that people can judge for themselves. The CIA won't release them because they are part of a lawsuit. Seems like a reasonable explanation to me. After throughly reading this article, I suggest people read studies on torture techniques. They yield innacurate information and are widely considered inhumane. ManCow proved that yesterday. Now its Hannity's turn...Gov. Ventura, please get your waterboard ready!

He is still one of the mouthpieces of the Republican party and republicans don't see anything wrong with this? This is an ex-vice president. Give America a break. We all know the lies we were told all along. Some of us knew they were lies as we were hearing them. Why would he stop lying now when he and his administration are in trouble for torturing and decieving the world and the American public. Next up Liz Cheney and her my fathers no criminal campaign.

Everyone knows that Cheney is a liar, why is this news? Dick and G.W. were allowed to lie to the American people for years, systematically chipping away at the civil liberties that this nation was founded upon, and no one seemed to care. Why all the sudden interest??

Cheney needs to take a bottle and go to bed !

Bush should just do what he has been doing.......keeping quite on the side lines........it know longer is his term in office and he had done the right thing by keeping silent, but to start agreeing with Cheney will only take him back down the road to being as unpopular as ever.........Bush needs to distance himself as far as he can from Cheney

Hey Pierre Changstien, nice name frenchy!
The only traitors to their country here are the ones that went to war under false pretenses. You know, like that Iraq was linked to the folks who DID attack us. My guess is that includes you. Why don't you step up to the firing squad tough-guy. Otherwise, do us a favor and shut-up!

There is only one way to find out if Cheney is telling the truth....WATERBOARD HIM!!!

If you move the L to the end and drop the n Levin becomes evil.
See how I as a Republican proved it? Why doen's anyone else get it?

Levin mentions only two documents, why should we believe him at all, I am sure there are several other documents that may support Cheney's claim but those won't be released either.

As was revealed over this past weekend, Cheney was part of the team that developed a directive classifying these memos. He knew, firsthand, they couldn't be de-classified, because he had been part of the process to classify them. Then, he conveniently ignored what he knew, to publicly call for their de-classification, knowing full well it couldn't be done, thanks to his own actions, while in office.

Crafty? Cynical? Nope. Cheney.

I wish all liberals would be waterboarded....what a dream that would be!

And why would anyone belive someone from a party that has lied everyday. Ther liberals only know how to put blame on others with their lies. There is never any proof . . . maybe becuase they have no proof . . . so I guess the demos have proven it is OK to LIE.

To Pierre Changstien: So you don't believe in our laws, you don't believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Is that correct? Because if you do then you will know that inhumane treatment of any prisoner of war (or enemy combatant as the idiotic republicans want to call them) is against the Geneva Convention of which the United States is a signator. It doesn't matter that it was ONLY used on 3 El Qaeda members. The United States NOT using torture is what has in the past set us apart from other nations. No more though thanks to people who think just like you.

Make no mistake - waterboarding is torture. The United States deemed it so quite a long time ago. We don't just throw out our laws, morals and values because we were attacked. We did the same knee-jerk reactionary crap during WWII when we rounded up and interred every Japanese-American living here. That was wrong and we knew it then and we know it now. Waterboarding is torture, it is wrong, it is immoral and it goes against everything that every soldier who has ever fought for our country knows. You, Mr. Changstien, are a coward and a traitor.

Liars calling other liars . . . the GOP will not win on this one because the democrats have learned the best on how to lie.

Cheney will always be a liar...

CNN, can you explain how you can print racist comments like the one from Matt, calling Obama a boy. Don't you have any guideline?

"I believe, in fact, we'll be greeted as liberators."

–Shotgun Dick, Meet the Press, March 16, 2003
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Shotgun Dick's been lying for quite some time now.

Cheney lied? What's next? There were no weapons of mass destruction?

I wouldn't be surprised.

@ JOYCE -

You've got the wrong guy. Cheney doesn't think he's God, that's Obama's dig, remember?

Pierre Changstien says:

"nice the see the democrat terrorist defense squad out in full force. remember folks, we are talking about the waterboarding of ONLY 3 senior alQaeda members, each of whom had a role in the 9/11 attacks.. that is all… 3 al Q members who particiapted in the murder of 3000 americans and made it clear they want to kill many, many more.. you freaks make it sound like cheney was rounding up liberals and waterboarding them. maybe we should be waterboarding you al Qaeda sympathizing traitors…."

Right Pierre! Lets do away with "Due-Process" altogether. Heck, why don't we just behead them in public while we are at it! I bet you their beheading video will sell very well and can help with the budget deficit.

Bush was asked what he thought his legacy would be and he responded, " a man showed up and would not compromise his soul for popularity"

How about this, " a man and his croonies stole and election and compromised the soul of a nation through lies and greed"

Three? Not so, the CIA has admitted that over fifty prisoners died due to "enhanced interrogation"during the Bush Administration. And yeah, Dick Cheney is a proven liar and a war profiteer who holds no elective office. Who cares what he has to say?

The Democrats need to stop doing this piece meal. It is slow, awkward and solves nothing. We need an independent investigation, that is done as quickly as possible.

Water boarding is just the tip of the ice berg, far worse things were done and with the full knowledge of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld. Sodomizing, Rape and Electrocution are the reasons Obama won't release the photos and that is wrong, we need to condemn these actions and the leaders who justified them.

We need a real investigation, see what the results are then go from there.

This politician said that. That politician said this.
They're politicians! Do you really think either of them, any of them, are being truthful?

Facts – 3, count'em – 1,2,3 – 'detainees' were waterboarded.
The Pentagon said this week that they have conclusive proof that two dozen 'detainees' who were released went straight back to Al Qaeda and they have circumstantial evidence for 70 more. In simple term – these people are not our friends. They want to attack this country.
I doubt that those at Gitmo have any up-to-date knowledge of efforts to attack the United States and our allies, however, I think it would be the height of stupidity to simply release them. And to bring them onto American soil, no matter what type of prison, well, I think anyone who seriously thinks that's a good idea, go to the nearest insane asylum and turn yourself in.

The CIA & courts – not Obama and not Levin – have the authority to release the documents.
Why assume that Levin is lying? I have never known him to have that reputation.
Why assume Chaney is lying? Well, okay, HE does have that reputation.

The burden of proof should rest on Cheney, since his was the first claim that torture was used to save lives.
Are we not a better nation than those nations that use torture? Have we decided to abandon our moral authority so fast and sink to the level of our enemies? For those conservative Christians who would claim this is okay – I just want to know: Who would Jesus torture? Why does anyone think this is acceptable?

One easy way to figure this all out. Let the memos be released. It is not Bush or Cheney not releasing them. It is cnn's most precious deity Obama who is not releasing them. If what Cheney is saying is not true just release the memos and shut him up forever.

Why wont they release them? What happened to transparency?

Stop drinking the Kool Aid folks! Start thinking. I know its hard but I think you guys can do it.

Well, tough choice. A respected Senator or a pathological liar who killed thousands of Americans in a wrong war.

Experts agree that torture is ineffective in part because the subject will say whatever the torturer wants to hear in order to stop the pain. All of the useful information to prevent terrorist attacks was obtained prior to torture being applied. But Cheney didn't apply the torture to obtain useful information. He did it to extract lies implying a connection between Al Quaeda and Iraq, and any other lie that could be used to justify the war. In that respect the torture did work.

What everyone in this country should be focused on is the abuse of power during the Bush/Cheney administration. No one in this country should be above the law, and if we allow those in power or those with wealth to be above the law, then we are no different than those in the very country which was invaded. I once had so much pride in this nation, but it saddens me to see to what level it has stooped. Cheney, Limbaugh, Gingrich, et. al. need a strong reality check.

wait now, a liberal-biased CNN is siding with a liberal democrat...who's taking a peek at some memo's...and calling Cheney a liar? SHOW THE MEMOS!

Especially after the ENTIRE nations witnessed Pelosi lying over and over, about whether or not she's lying? How come CNN's not calling Pelosi a liar? Afraid of Obama?

Get real CNN....you're quickly becoming an E-ragsheet. Your liberal spew is taken as gospel by many, so you have a duty to be honest in the stories you present. Getting these uneducated, obama-swilling, liberals spun up over heresy will come back to haunt you. Of course, you'll chose to post liberal's comments instead of mine...try being fair and balanced.....

I love it on here when people read these articles and then comment on how they knew Cheney was lying and in no way can believe obama, pelosi, or any other democrat is not.

They all lie, have their versions of the truth, etc. Democrats and republicans. Try having a mind of your own for once instead of strictly following party lines or does the DNC have to give you the OK to think for yourself first? Oh I forgot, that would make you a republican and defeat their purpose.

Amazing how many of you immediately believe the puppet of Obama. A liberal said it "it must be true!"

Even though just about every interrogator and all the CIA directors said it worked. They all must be lying, let's believe the liberals who weren't there and are trying to appease the enemy.
Brillaint strategy, it is working well with North Korea and Iran right now.

We impeached a president for lying about sex, but let these fools walk free for lying about torture and war. When did sex become a larger offence than murder?

This is the USA became under the guidance of the neo-cons.

I'm digusted.

Haven't seen statements like Pierre Changstien's since Germany, mid 1930's.

And, I suppose, next you are going to tell us that george (the moron) bush was lying, too!

Guess what wingnuttery?

Just saw the latest Gallup polls. Not only is Obama's approval at 65%, but he is at 70% and above around the world, so we know that only the wingnuttery division of the GOP frantically posts everywhere.

Cheney, a liar! Imagine our surprise! He would not recognize the truth if it waterboarded him. His only problem now is that he cannot figure how to entertain himself on those long afternoons.

Re Matt M's characterization of .".. his boy, Obama ... "says alot about lingering racism in this country.

I sure do love the continuance of the vocalizations holding higher ground than documents that are not shared; but this is fact to the majority of you...sad

Levin needs to attend to the needs of his state, in case he has not been lately, people are suffering worse fate than a terrorist who got his due.

Darth Vader is up to his old tricks. Don't be fooled people. Speaking of being fooled why is Darth Vader's daughter backing him up. Here is a man who supports a party that is determined to keep people like Vader's daughter (lesbian) from her civil rights and she's defending her father to the American public. How stupid is that? Darth Vader must of put some STUPID JUICE in her baby bottle!!!! Its so funny how the Repubs always turn out to have the gay kids and friends (Reagan, Cheny, Guliani, and on, and on, and on . . . ) You think God may be trying to tell them something? HMMM, MARINATE ON THAT FOR A WHILE.

"we are talking about the waterboarding of ONLY 3 senior alQaeda members, each of whom had a role in the 9/11 attacks.."

What kind of completely stupid argument is that ? Thats something my kids would come up with. "Hey, but I only did it to 3 people". Can I go murder 3 of my neighbors now and say its OK because there are only 3 of them ?

You are an idiot "Pierre"

Well of course he lied! That's what Cheney & friends do best, lie and steal and kill. so again, yes of course he lied! Why would anybody be surprised by this? He is a bad person and bad people lie.

The fact of the matter is, in war, torture is necessary. Regardless of who's side you're on. If you don't like it, don't go to war.

Cheney couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

@lynn in NM
So let me get this straight. When Bush-Cheney decided to break the law, it was the fault of Pelosi, Levin, and others for not stopping them? Anything any Dem did at that time to try to stop them would have been (and maybe even was) overruled. Even if they did know anything they couldn't speak publicly because that information would have been highly classified at the time. Its a great ploy to transfer responsibility from the perpetrators to bystanders, but it won't work this time.
Regarding the former President Clinton, who you so snidely refer to as "Billy Jeff", the people who were responsible for the first WTC bombing are now securely incarcerated in US prisons; too bad we can't say the same for the person responsible for the 2nd WTC attack (Osama bin Laden), who was allowed to escape from the Tora Bora area of Afghanistan by Bush (a longtime friend of the bin Laden family). Just in case you were referring to the bombing of the USS Cole, that happened as Clinton was about to leave office, and it wasn't until later that any fault was assigned for that – too late for Clinton to act on it.

Cheneys request to release the memo's was a bluff, now he is being called on his bluff. If these memos do not show "lives saved" then Mr Cheney and team should face charges for lying and torture. Plain and simple.

Anyone foolish enough to defend torture deserves his fate.

When will that awful evil man Cheney be PROSECUTED. He is no better than the Nazi Eischman.

Well, Levin, if you have always thought that enhanced interrogation was wrong or ineffective, why the devil didn't you stop it while it was occurring? You had the power to stop it by doing just what you're doing now, going through the media. You are the biggest liar of all, now speaking without Cheney to rebut your claims.

Robin, don't you read the newspapers, or the Internet, or coloring books or whatever? Obama's birth certificate has been released so many times by: the hospital he was born in; the state of Hawaii, the doctor that delivered him; his now deceased grandmother; various Honolulu papers. It's been released so many times it should be on the NYT best seller list. Of course I realize, per Michael Savage, and other right wing morons, that the state of Hawaii, the Hospital, the Honolulu papers, are all in collusion to lie to the American people. Are you one of those right wing morons? Sounds like it to me.

Never trust someone that talks through the side of the mouth...GW and the CEO (GW 's puppeteer) should use some of their riches (made during their reign/regime) and take a hunting trip...torture some animals, perhaps shoot each other!

Obama can't release the memos that show torture worked, because they don't exist. It's the same false argument Cheney used to argue FOR war with Iraq. It's the WMD that doesn't exist!

This scumbag knows that President Obama will not release those documents for security reasons. That´s why he is making all kinds of false statements.
This piece of s.hi.t should be in jail.

TO "VON BISMARK,Vienna."

The waterboarding at Gitmo was NOTHING like the waterboarding that other nations (Japan to name one) were condemned for. This was a few seconds of simulated drowning with a sanatized tube on the man who helped behead Daniel Pearl and plan 9/11. What you are comparing it to is Japan's waterboarding in WW2 which consisted of filing the persons intestines with water until they were bloated and it burst, which in turn killed them. It was done for the sake of it, not to save lives.

Does it make it legal to torture if what you are doing is to save lives regardless if they were terrorists? What lives did they save with this intelligence? I am quite curious since OUR men and women are still fighting in a war that was suppose to be about 9/11 and losing their lives while Bin Laden who is responsible for 9/11 is still out there enjoying his. Oh... sorry.... that had to do with weapons of mass destrution didnt it? PLEASE!

Cheney truly believes what he is saying, but as Wilder said about Christ on the cross, "just because you are willing to die for something does not make it right." Cheney is wrong based on an absolute overwhelming amount of evidence.

Experts in these areas point out that torture does not work. People who were directly involved say the torture did not work. Generals have said it did not work. Not a shred of evidence that Cheney points to actually suggests any success from torture. Even the guys they were torturing were not high level al Queda members, as the administration had boasted.

Let's also remember, this is the same guy who was convinced that the Iraqi people would throw flowers at the feet of our troops. This is the guy who was convinced beyond any doubt that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. Cheney has never been right on any major issue –ever.

Aside from his sudden turn around where everything should be declassified after he made a career of saying just the opposite; it is clear they Cheney's primary objective is protecting his legacy, whatever that might wind up being.

Dick Cheney would be a war criminal in any other nation, why not this one?

This is where Dick Cheney's daughter Liz needs to shut up. She is about to insert foot in her mouth

Most of you people on here are mis-informed and ill educated, and you rely on falsities and unproven allegations to make your points, like the poster that stated that Obama spent 1 million dollars to keep his birth certificate sealed. Where does that non-sense come from? That's the problem with the internet and these posting places....anybody can post any falsehood non-sense and somebody will be gullible enough to believe it. Wise up everybody!

You can all forget about a war crimes trial. That will all be swept under the rug now that Pelosi has implicated herself in knowing about the waterboarding in 2003. If you indict the bush administration, you'll have to also indict Nancy for being complicit in not standing up and saying anything until 2009. How many other dems knew that it was going on? They need to be indicted as well.

The Attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 was no joke. The Attack on the World Trade Center on 911 was no joke. The people on here that are Attacking Cheney and the Bush Adminstratiion really need to take another look. Someone has to do the dirty work. Bill Clinton didn't do it. If he had we may have not suffered the attack on 911. It discusts me to no end that the Clinton Adminstration supposedly warned the Bush Adminstration. No kidding. Why didn't Clinton do something.

Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

I have the utmost repect for our Sen Carl Levin from Michigan! My vote is for you , senator!
Gary Peters is the second best! Dem-Michigan!

To Robin,

Obama's birth certificate copies are already out and included in the the Presidential Inaguration souvenir book sold in Wal-Mart. I saw it in someone's home last week.

Why are we delaying war crime charges against Cheney, Bush Rumsfeld, and Rove?

To every one saying, "Declassify, declassify, declassify," from bwhat I understand, those two specific memos are tied up in some sort of lawsuit and until that's resolves, the documents can't be released. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.

I always thought Cheneys request to release the memo's was a bluff, now he is being called on his bluff. If these memos do not show "lives saved" then Mr Cheney and team should face charges for lying and torture. Plain and simple.

Anyone foolish enough to defend torture deserves his fate.

It's interesting that the righties on here keep talking about demanding proof, when there have been so many instances where proof that Bush and Cheney lied in the past has been shown. Apparently they're beyond reproach to these people. Why would you automatically assume that Levin is lying, other than the fact that he's a Democrat? And all this crap about Obama refusing to release the memos is ridiculous as well. It clearly states in the article that the documents cannot be declassified due to lawsuits. How does Obama figure into that exactly?
Well, it's not like the righties here are known for their fairness and truth, so I'm not sure why I'm even pointing these things out. *sigh*

Dick Cheney is telling the truth. The Democrats are kings of lying, they need the power no matter what it costs.

Carl Levin or Dick Cheney?
Belief in either would be unbelievably STUPID!

Cheney's 'claims' are SOLEY his opinions, and extremenly warped ones at that...I really think he lives without a heart

I see the DNC mindless little twerps who never had a set of gonads, have again crawled out of their little holes to yap about VP Cheney again. Free speech only pertains to them in their little perverted world. Why would ANY of you pissants think that putting the squeeze on terrorists who would slit your throat in a second is a problem? You are the ilk and bottom feeders of the country and should be spit on. If there is another terrorist attack in the US, may it be on your neighborhood.

Oh so now the unelected GOP representatives want the Dems to endanger lives by declassifying documents? If they do, the GOP will turn around and accuse them of putting lives at risk. We are to smart to fall for this again ppl!

It is very simple. Release the documents.

How did the comment of Polar Bears Against Palen at 12:59 PM ET get in here? Isn't this monitored by CNN?

Didn't the redacted memos that were released have that information? Why not just show what's under the redaction.

Either way, there's no way to quantify how many lives were saved. The only way to do something like that is after the fact, after lives are already lost.

Speaking of quantifying lives – Any statistics to prove how 150,000 jobs have been saved/added? When I see unemployment rates going up, who's winning?

In this post the writer Ed Hornick calls Carl Levin the "Michigan Democrat senator..." This is code used by right wingers, where the word "democrat" is constantly and derisively substituted for the correct word that should be used in such context, which would be "democratic". Is Hornick writing commentary here from a right wing perspective, or is he just ignorant?

Polar Bears for Palin,

You are the lowest of the low. Maybe you should wish for yourself what you wish for other people. .

Cheney, the five deferment Chicken Hawk during the Vietnam War, who wanted others to handle the dirty work for him in Iraq, Gitmo and the basement of CIA Torture Central – he just wanted to look at the pictures – he lied ? I'm shocked to discover this. Shocked.

What?! A government official is lying?! Unheard of

he needs to be charged with war crimes......

I can’t believe how the so-called “liberal” media is letting this guy get away with these distractions. Whether it works or not is irrelevant, it is torture, has been since the Spanish Inquisition, and is below the moral standard of America. To justify torture is to say America is filled with the same a-moral dogs as al Qaeda. If you want to make money, robbing a bank works. If you don’t like your neighbor, murder works. Effectiveness does not constitute morality.

It is an old Washington trick to say that a classified document says something, and to even call for its release (knowing it won't be released).

Cheney and Levin say different things about the same document. Both call for its release. Until it is, there is no rational basis to conclude which is lying. Unless, of course, your partisanship shapes your view.

Total War. Coming to an election near you.

Matt M, Cheney's a DEMOCRAT now? They're defecting so fast I can't keep 'em straight. Yeah, Obama releasing classified documents for such a dumb reason is pretty unlikely.

A lot of you people are just evil. So giving the go-ahead to the Navy to 'drop' three pirates to save ONE america is GOOD but using EIT NOT torture to garner information on more attacks against thousands and thousands of americans is BAD? Most of you have NO idea how to defend a nation.

I saw that same story on RUSH BOUNCY, MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT OBAMA IS PURPOSLY CLOSING DOWN CAR DEALERSHIP WHO ARE OWNED OR CONTRIBUTED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! Idiot, that is because the only dealership being closed by a Democrat is that isthe only one owned. He is such an idiot why we even bother to repeat anything that comes out of that idiots mouth.
Regarding releasing the photos, does it really matter, it happend and those responsible should be prosecuted. We already have seen photos don't need more gory details. Bush admitted to authorizing the use of torture or should I be PC and say "alternative methods" Yeah just ask McCain about torture.

O.K, Cheney lied when he spoke, he lied when he wrote. This is nothing we do not already know. What bothers me is that there is no consequence for his actions. We teach our children not to lie, cheat and steal, yet when it is done by Mr. Cheney and others in that Administration (Remember the party of Family Values?), we do not prosecute them.

Crime DOES pay, i guess. And we wonder why we have the social ills we have.

Cheney, a liar? Who would of guessed it? Thanks Senator. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to restate the obvious.

I am so surprised ... Dick Cheney lied! Who would have ever thought him capable of such? Pssst .... don't tell his "base".

Cheney is a liar. And in other news, water is wet.

The commenters here are pretty irrational and uneducated. Wonder if any of them has ever had to make a big decision in their life. Cheney, a war criminal? Bush a Traitorous destroyer of the Country? It is to laugh.

If they are criminals, then the evidence would have been found by now. 8 yrs of CNN trying to lie thru their teeth about what really went on, or they would have found some evidence of a real crime here. If those two guys are guilty of crimes, then the Messiah as President is already guilty of impeachable offenses in lying about his plans for the economy, and taking over American car companies without due process and without justification. He makes Bush look like a competent rocket scientist by comparison. And making politics part of the US Government is the worst crime there is.

You folks are largely idiots with no reason in your body.

Subsunk

Cheney has a truly mean spirit...it is obvious. Torture suits his personality even if it doesn't work, but he'll continue to claim it does until the end of time with all the evidence to the contrary piled in front of him.

So release them. Release them all, it isn't like the Dems care one bit about national Security when they are willing to publicly humiliate are troops with photos and acusations.
By the way, explain how every CIA director and several of the interrogators all say it worked (except of course the one interrogator CNN used as an "expert" even though he spent less than a month as one and was only involved in one session).

Instead of moving forward the pathetic liberals keep looking back to somehow shame the last Administration. Stateing that Bush policies damaged our reputation and national security, never considering the damage that they are doing to our Nation, reputation and national security with this side show political witch hunt.

lie?? say it isn't so

Yes Cheney Is a Liar........But more than that He needs to be prosecuted by someone with a backbone!!!!!!

I love the timing on these unfolding of events because this means that George Bush's recent statement backing Cheney up is a complete fabrication as well. Big surprise there – Bush and Cheney manufacturing information to serve their own agenda!!!!

I'm in Shock and Awe!

what are we waiting for ? Why isn't an investigation, and independent one where we can learn all the facts and the truth of who did what and when..this is far to important to ignore.. Some people should be held accountable and should face consequences..There was clearly a violation of our treaty and the will to cover it up..I might suggest since Cheney is so eager to talk openly on all the talk shows, then why not let him talk in front a investigative committee under oath..Then and only then will we finally get the truth !!

For a guy who wouldn't comment on his energy policy sources, who was one of the most secretive people in the executive branch, who even said that he was not in the executive or legislative branch but between the two, he certainly has a lot of bull to say today. I say, "Good riddance to the guy!" He is one of the worst of the worst... And, no, I am not going hunting with him, although he came to my county in NY many times to do that and clogged up the roads...

@Pierre Changstien-
It doesn't matter whether it was 1 or 100. Once the world found us out we were tainted and scores and scores of terrorists have been and will be recruited just by pointing to what we did to those 3 guys.

Our beloved Country went from leading the way morally to becoming Nazi Germany, or Saddam's Iraq... and all of it happened just after 9/11 when we had the sympathies of almost the entire World... on our side.

Hope you're proud of what your party and the Bush administration did to our Country. Defending them is unconscionable. It also completely discredits any arguement you'd make in their defense.

So Cheney only waterboarded 3 al Qaeda detainees. And got valuable intelligence from them. And that those actions proved beneficial to the U.S.
Hmmmmm. So, if I robbed just 3 banks and gave all the money to charity to help feed the hungry, would you still prosecute me for bank robbery?
Anyone who thinks Cheney hasn't committed a crime doesn't understand the laws under which we live.

Those screaming for Obama to release the docs, do you people not read the entire article?

"CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified."

Typical republicans, read only what suits you, huh?

Steve M Killeen, TX May 29th, 2009 12:50 pm ET

I would not believe DICK Cheney if he told me the sky was blue.
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Therein lies he problem with so many in this country. Ideology clouds (pardon the pun) the ability to effectively process information.

All this uproar about reportedly only 3 guys being waterboarded, yet no big outcry at the killing of 3 Somali teenagers on a boat.

The difference?

Doctor Death needs to go away...

He IS the weakest link!

Dick is a pathological liar. Remember the lies about "we will be greeted as liberators" in Iraq, the oil revenue will pay for the reconstruction of Iraq, proof of WMD is a slam dunk, there will be a "mushroom cloud" in Iraq if we don't invade, and "we are in the last throes" of the insurgency? All proven to be lies.

Cheney is writing his memoirs and wants to use a lot of classified docs in his tell-all book. He knows there's no 'smoking gun' because he would have blabbed the gist of it to an unknown source and leaked it to the media: "We waterboarded x and he told us y" would have been enough to make his point, IF IT WERE TRUE.
But by now we know the truth isn't in him, and Cornyn says that since he's not an elected Republican he should shut his blinkin' pie hole. Pains me to agree with Cornyn about something, but when he's right, he's right, and also correct.

We should prosecute this sleeze ball and take Junior Bush down with him. Throw in the three R's [Rumsfield, Rove and Rice] while we're at it. Collectively, their administration was easily the worst [and most corrupt] in my life time.

They entered a war for all the wrong, misguided reasons and put our economy in the toilet in the process. The past 8 years speak for themselves. There is no rebuttal. Prosecute them.

Let's just hope this pathetic ratbag, Deferment Dick, will finally go away. I just can't believe anyone, other than some Republican morons, would actually pay any attention to what this small man has to say! When does he stop feeling guilty about being a draft-dodger?

This is not the issue. Torture is indefensible. It is a morally reprehensible crime. And you people out there who try to defend torture are no better than the people who commit the transgression and it saddens and disgusts me to see you do it.

The entire Bush Administration should be brought to justice for their various crimes.
9/11 happened on Bush's watch and it was due to his incompetence.
The PATRIOT ACT was a mad grab at our constitutional rights.
Warrantless Wire tapping.
These guys outed an undercover CIA agent. THAT'S HIGH TREASON!
AND TORTURE!

AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE CAN'T GET JUSTICE FOR ANY OF THIS?!?!

How consistent of Cheney – to lie again.

I am not really sure who is lying here, but if I had to pick the liar I would go with Cheney. Perhaps he really is not lying but has deluded himself into thinking that he is telling the truth.

Why don't they just put Cheney on a constant diet of cheeseburgers and french fries. His heart will take care of the rest.

Why would any one be suprised at Cheney's lying?

Here is a scumbag who started out in Washington in the Nixon Whitehouse and came out of it like a greased pig with out one connection to watergate.

I'm always amused with the irrelevance of the arguments Republican delusionists keep throwing out on these threads.

"Release Obama's birth certificate," one cries, ignoring the fact that it has already been released.

"What about all those Republican Chrysler dealerships Obama is closing down," wails another, apparently ignorant of the fact that car dealership owners are overwhelmingly Republican, so any randomly selected group of them would include more GOP than Dem supporters.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but only if you bother to inform yourself of all the facts. Google is your friend, but only if you look at something other than the articles that reinforce your prejudices.

Steve M Killeen, TX says he wouldn't believe Cheney if he told him the sky is blue, and that sums up the liberal mind. They just refuse to believe the truth.

Cheny's Torture Tour talking points will be taken into evidence. Liz Cheney will be forced to testify against her father. I would love to see exactly what Bush would stay when pitted against Cheney.

Let's see. Cheney said the documents prove that the interrogation techniques worked. The Obama administration won't de-classify the documents. Why? Is it because the documents prove that what Cheney is saying is true? Levin says that Cheney is lying but only after it's decided that the documents will remain classified. Why? Is it because Levin knows he can accuse Cheney of lying and Levin himself won't be made to look like a fool since he knows the documents won't be released?

Matt M: You've got it wrong; Obama isn't Cheney's "boy", George W. Bush was, is, and always will be Cheney's boy.

Just who do you think was in charge the 8 years of the last Administration? It sure wasn't George; heck, it started before the election in 2000, when Cheney was tasked with picking a VP running mate for Bush and chose – himself!

Bush was a puppet, only picked and used because he could bring the religious right to the voting booth (that poor group of saps needs to wake up and smell the coffee, too – the GOP, under Rove's leadership, has been using them as a pawn in their political game for years).

President Obama is his own man, capable of independent thought, steadfast and real leadership, intelligence and integrity – no wonder the GOP is afraid of him!

You know, if America blew up every other country we would be safe. I mean, how far are republicans willing to go? Is there no moral basis for your actions?

If I told a lie that caused the death of thousands of people,what charges could I be brought up on? Why is Cheney,Bush,Rumsfeld,Rice,Powell,Rowe ,and the other numnuts who duped the nation into believing that bs that lead us to damm-near military disaster still walking the streets.Who in the hell is going to answer for the death and maiming of Americas best?.

Levin should focus some of his attention on our state of Michigan. I will not vote for him next time.

Quit blaming everything on the Bush Administration, and show us the memos!! Cheney is a strong man of integrity. Nothing anyone can say will change that fact.

The Obama administration needs to execute America's moral responsibility by prosecuting those engaged with violations of the Geneva Convention if we stand any chance of soliciting the international community's support for a resolution against North Korea's United Nation's nuclear agreement violations.

I thought that Bush should have been impeached when they lied to the country about Sadam's WMD as an excuse to send some 5,000 americans to die so that cheney's company could be enriched with exclusive defense contracts. This should have prompted the launch of a full investigation with prosecutions at the highest level of that corrupt administration. As for Cheney, he should and hopefully will be thrown in jail for war crimes.

This is a dangerous man. Lied about harsh interrogation. Lied about outing Valerie Plame. If it were anyone else, this would be a case of High Treason. Why should we wait for anyone else????

To Pierce Changstein: You don't even have the facts right about 9/11 so your comment has no credibility. It wasn't only Americans that died at the World Trade Center. The Bush/Cheney administration is over. Don't you all think it is time to move forward instead of spewing venom and hate and causing the divide to grow even larger?

Cheney is only trying to avoid being tried for War Crimes. Let the trail begin! His story is that it worked so it's ok to break the law, similar to saying, yes I robbed the bank but I used the money for a good purpose. Doesn't make sense does it, nor does Cheney. He's guilty and he's just trying to get out of going to prison.

I would like to see the same republicans that were / are asking to investigate Nance Pelosi for lying, to come forward and also ask to investigate Dick Chaney for being lying to the American people.

I think Cheney & Company should accept the fact that eventually the truth will come out. Every time I read about almost any of his comments, I'm reminded of Shakespeare's line "Methinks he doth protest too much"....

**Operation Crush Rush**
Not that it could be toxic, but you could probibly catch a BAD DOPE BUZZ off it.

Cowards torture. If you're so afraid and that you would abandon our beliefs to save your cowardly hide, then you are no patriot...you are an opportunist and a liar and a traitor to all we hold dear. That robot in the picture up there is a coward.

ANYONE who believes Cheney, is a fool themselves!
Never across history has one fool done so much harm to the reputation of a country, nor destroyed the foundation of our consitutional laws like this idiot !
Anything this moron says at this point should be taken with a bag of cow dung and put behind the barn to fester.
Someone take this man hunting !

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people will continue to defend the terrorist action of the Bush/Cheney regime in Iraq. It is proven that there were no WMDs, therefore no reason to invade. Why do people continue to defend this illegal and immoral war. Why do you not want to protect future generations of American soldiers from spilling their blood for what amounts to a minimum of a huge mistake (faulty intelligence), worst case – a war for vengeance (Bush senior) and profit (Halliburton)?

Why would you rather not admit being wrong than send your children off to their deaths? I understand why Bush and Cheney lie, they don’t to go to jail, but why do some American citizens that have nothing to lose other than a small amount of pride refuse admit the Iraq war was a mistake?

What a shock that Dick Cheney would lie! Somebody who has devoted most of his life to government service. This is a case disproving the addage: that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's good to know that America was in the
best of hands for the last 30 years. Wars & depressions will always be with us, but people like Dick Cheney will only be with us for a short time.

Has there ever been a more despicable politician than Dick Cheney? Oh yeah, I almost forgot Richard Nixon, hmmmm, maybe it's Cheney!!

In 2002, Cheney insisted that Iraq has WMDs, and that anyone who said differently was lying. In 2003, Cheney insisted that Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaida were co-conspirators in 9-11, and that anyone who said differently was lying. In 2006, Cheney (and Bush) insisted that we don't torture, and that anyone who said differently was lying. Now, in 2009, Cheney (and Bush) are insisting that we DID torture, but that it was justified because it helped keep the US safe. How many lies does it take to get to the center of the Bush Administration?

And we are surprised that a liar is lying?

Cheney lied? I'm SHOCKED...... NOT!!!!!!!!

Obama could release all the documents and hasn't. Cheney and Obama are distant cousins and apparently best friends. Obama has followed all the Bush doctrines so far. If Cheney is lying why is Obama not releasing the memos unless Obama loves Cheney.

Cheney lied? Hmmm ... let's see, does a bear do it in the woods?

This is a non story , the real story is your tax dollars bailing out GM and Levin not doing his job. The torture claims are all BS and all of you know it. The proof is all of you would not care if the prisoners sqealed and then were dead in Iraq , stop the crying over spilled water and start watching BHO methodically ruining the USA.

To Polar Bears Against Palen: You are obviously not a nice person to wish something so tragic on anyone. I suppose you love the fabulous O in the White House now. That's good because you're gonna be paying for him long after he's gone....

I wish we could take all of the politicians and put them on an island far, far away.

"Now deemed torture." Who deemd it torture, CNN, the MSM. I wish you would start reporting instead of editorializing. This, and the idiot hosts you have on air, is the reason CNN keeps droping in the ratings and the New York Times continues to have 1250 subscriptions discontinued every month. We want the news not your opinion.

And we should believe Carl Levin? Not hardly.

Here's a question for you...who is dumber/more ignorant?

Dick Cheney for KNOWING that CIA documents don't vindicate his lies of saved lives from torture?

OR

Liz Cheney for knowing as much as we know about classified CIA papers and still going on national TV embarrassing herself by taking up her dad's talking points?

Get out?! No way?! Cheney lied about something? This is a newsflash. I guess General Petreus, General Powell and Senator McCain who is opposed to torture did not know what they were talking about.

People like cheney should be boiled in hot oil, His companys made billions of dollars with the Irak war and the weapons of mass destruction lies, The death of thousands young Americans in Irak should be more than enough to send Cheney to jail for the rest of his dirty life, him and George Bush lie to the American people when they claim Irak had weapons of mass destruction,Thats one of the reasons why Powell resign.

Ok everyone, I say bring it on...bring it ALL on. You may get what you wish for.

Carl Levin and Dick Cheney are real American hero's and would never lie.

There's an 800 lb. red herring in the room. It doesn't matter if the documents contain information or claims that torture "worked." NOTHING could be more unamerican than torture. It is a crime against humanity, a crime against our laws, a crime against international law and, for all you drooling fundies out there, a crime against God. It represents a complete abandonment of our national identity and all that defines us as a society. The ends don't justify the means here. Why? Because, whether it works or not, torturing people means we're not America any more and have lost all right to call ourselves such.

@Robin May 29th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

Easy way to solve this…

Show the documents. Release them all.

Robin,sweetie, I see you are off your meds again. Ever think that it may not be in the interest of, oh, I don't know, national security to release ALL documents?

And about that birth certificate: you think your party would've let that one go, and allow him to become president? Think.

I still cannot believe evil Dick Cheney isn't in a federal supermax prison by now. evil Dick Cheney is a war criminal who conspired to commit torture & rape of POW's. Lock him up now!

bring him to justice...

"CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified."

Read the story before you comment. The CIA said the documents cannot be declassified, not Levin or Obama or anyone else.

For those of you blaming Obama for not releasing the memos:

Did you not read the whole article?

"CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified."

Unless you want to change the way our legal system works, you'll have to wait for the memos.

It is quite obvious that CNN only will take comments from the far left.

Carl Levin ?????????????????????????????????????

I'd believe billy clinton before I'd listen to anything Levin had to say .

Release the memos and let's continue to expose Cheney for the liar, traitor and war criminal he is.

@Robin

Your comment about the documents and President Obama's birth certificate are hilarious. Maybey the goverment should check your documents to see if you should be here, idiot.

When will the American people learn that there was and there is no al-Qaeda. This was the nick name given by the CIA to the foreigners who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
We need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Cheney has already proved himself a liar. He lied to the 9/11 Commission regarding his whereabouts on the morning of 9/11, when he claimed that he did not arrive at the Presidential Emergency Operation Center (PEOC) until around 10 am, but reliable witnesses, under oath, saw him there directing proceedings shortly after 9 am. Its hardly surprising that Cheney refused to testify to the Commission under oath, because he knew that he could have perjured himself. The question is, why did he have to lie, and what material did he not want to have to tell?

First, I trust Cheney more than Levin.

Second, let's start with this root factor: I don't care if we totured these thugs. They are not eligible for any rights. They intentionally killed innoncent people (including children) and are proud of it, so I would have strung them up by their "you know what".

Third, if Obummer wants to change the policy (which he has done), then it is right, so move on. I think OBUMMER is being soft and weak, but I will say it is within his right to change the policy, but to sit there and criticize the former administration is childish. I can't wait for future administrations to publically go after OBUMMER and his HUGE SPENDING and DEFICIT plans.

You like OBUMMER, FINE. YOU PAY HIS TAXES because I'm not.

I have devoted myself to be like a democrat, cheat on my taxes.

Why isn't Levin calling for the release of the memos?

If you call someone a liar – wouldn't you want to have the proof to support your claim?

Why won't Obama release the memo? He has executive authority just like he did with other Bush memos.

Why won't Obama release the memos?????????

I hope Cheney, Bush, Rove, Limbaugh, Newt and all the other Republicans BURN IN HELL!!! or have someone to a massive beatdown on them - NOW I WOULD PAY MONEY TO SEE THAT!!!

Are we supposed to believe Carl Levin? Release the documents and we will decide for ourselves? The president can do that with the stroke of a pen.

Perhaps he was just 'misled'

It's always been easy to tell when Dick Cheney is lying, his lips are moving...

Yeah – Senator Levin – go get him!!!
It grieves me that I still have to see Cheney's putrid face in the news
so often. Thank goodness this loud-mouthed sadist is no longer in a position to dictate US policy.

Here we have a boob of a liberal hack carrying Obama water bucket
Senator have your hero the perz show us the documents

Let's waterboard Cheney to get the truth out of him. He shouldn't object, since he says the method isn't torture and is highly successful. Put this on pay-per-view and we could retire the national debt.

CHENEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL.

Weapons are Supplied to Terrorists by Countries like Russia and China. Most of the Guantanamo Detainees are citizens of Countries which are in poverty. These countries can’t even manufacture a paper clip, leave aside sophisticated weapons. Weapons are not only being supplied to Al Quida, weapons are also supplied to Somalia Pirates.

So my questions are:
1.....Is our national security more endangered by Russia and China who supply these weapons or from these Poverty driven Countries?
2.....What have we done or what are we doing in terms of stopping arms supply to terrorists?
3.....Information can be obtained from terrorists without torture and inflicting pain. Medical science has drugs that can be safely administered to elicit truth. Why is it necessary to Torture?
4.....Very few of the Guantanamo Detainees were arrested from inside the US. They were captured from Iraq, Afghanistan or other places. Terrorist attacks in US happen from inside the US. We need a better homeland security rather than going after terrorist all over the world. We need to prevent infiltration. What did the Bush Administration do to prevent infiltration?

Polar Bears Against Palen – he can't have a heart attack, he has an artificial heart. How fitting huh?

Keep on ramblin Cheney-- The more you talk, the better we Dems look!

Dick Cheney your methods are old school white man methods that worked to keep people of color down..... the problem for you now is that through it all, people of color can read and write now. The web you are trying to weave has entangled you. If you were warm and happy in your secret bunker, you should have kept your big mouth shut "like Bush" ha, ha

If these documents prove that Mr. Cheney lied, Obama would have declassified them in a New York minute!

The Aflac duck lied!

Political spin and talking points. Thats what you get from the libs.

@ Dont blame me @ TangledThorns @ Randall, Georgia & the rest of you right wing nut jobs

Since most of you don't even read these articles, let me paste what it said, short and brief for you idiots:

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified.

What part of that don't you understand?!?!

Why don't you all stop the back and forth bickering that has gotten this country into the mess into the mess it's in already? The Dems hate the Reps and vice versa! Who cares? This country is a mess because no one in government wants to look out for the people who elected them. What's done is done. Give it a rest already and move on. prosecuting this one or that one isn't change anything. We need to focus on getting this country back on it's feet and the only way to accomplish that is by putting aside the partisan nonsense and working together. You may not like the folks in office now but that's who we have to work with. Enough already.

We already know cheyney and the CIA are liars cause they lied to us about Iraq having WMD's. And now they are trying to accuse Nancy of lying too, I guess it takes one to know one huh?? BTW 911 happened on bush and cheyney's watch, how did they keep America safe?

VON BISMARK, Vienna you are a complete nimrod. The kind of torture that we try to prosecute other countries for are ones that can cause death (cutting limbs, rape, electrocution to point they stop breathing. Water boarding is no more than a trick to make you feel uncomfortable.

Also how would there be an exact number that you could put on how many lives were saved. He is talking about lives being saved and the kind of targets that they would have hit. How about this you leftist punks that are so much against for not getting good info out of terrorists. Why don't you all go to the same place and let them fly a plan into you all. I would rather see people live and a Talibanian suffer to water boarding. I guess you boneheads like being unsafe.

In this thread, someone suggested since we only waterboarded three alledged terrorists, it's okay. Putting aside whether or not that number is correct (I'm guessing it's far more), it seems it's not important if the act is illegal or immoral, it's how many times it's done. That's not just wrong, it's sad.

Since the day Lynn Cheney's father forced Dick back to college, with the long term goal of a monster to do the bidding of Skull and Bones within the framework of our compromised government, Dick Cheney lost whatever replica of a Soul he may have earned, given time and a forgiving Universe.

Too late now to undo his life.

It's not too late to prosecute.

Well that should be a no-brainer. Cheney is a pathological liar whose logic is second only to that of Goering at Nuremberg. This man needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and locked away forever – or at least until his batteries run out.

Using Dick Cheney as a source of truth,justice, ethics and role-modeling makes as much sense as using the CEOs of AIG or Fannie Mae as a source of good business practices.

I laugh everytime I see someone post concerning Obama's Birth Certificate when it was released early in the campaign and is online for anyone's perusal. Let's just continue to make up our own truth like Dick!

is this really an issue rather a document does or dosen`t show some thing about a matter that has little effect on the rising gas prices or food prices or home foreclosure, this is why its hard to keep any faith in the media/political parties. Its never a solution to a real problem having the media`s attention.

He will look great in a tent sized orange jump suit and shackles.

@Jim in San Jose

Actually, Levin is a lawyer, Cheney is not. How ironic that you state a joke which contradicts what you believe.

Cheney is a proven liar as well as a coward. It is time for Cheney to put up or shut up!

I hope some day you people pull your head out of you rears long enough to really know what is going on in this world. Cheney does not have ot lie, he knows the truth and he speaks the truth.

Okay we know Cheney lied. So what now? Will he be prosecuted? This man should be punished and put in prison. He cause alot of lives during 9/11. He is as guilty as Bush. These people must be punished for their crimes. He will reap what he has sowed. If he thinks he has gotten away with this; just wait and see. Time will tell because he will suffer the consequences one way or another (personal and/or imprisonment). That you can take to the bank. Just look at him; he is so dissappointed because Bush isn't degrading the Commander-In-Chief and he has no support from his fellow Republican to back him. He missed used his power and leadership and now it's come back to haunt him. What has he got to say about that? ah ah ah

Obama 2012

If the enhanced interrogation techniques were as successful as Cheney asserts, I assume the information gleaned allowed us to capture and prosecute Osama bin Laden. I must have missed that particular news cycle, though.

Oh, and BTW, we somehow managed to defeat the Japanese empire, Communism, and the Nazis without resorting to torture. Explain to me, using small words and visual aids, why we need to justify using it now.

Put Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld on trial for war crimes, abide by the outcome and put an end to this already.

I hope they don't show any of these reports, or pictures and the way i see it the people who wants these memos released is just asking fir trouble. They want to see my Pesident fail but he's on his p's

But..but..but...if the Vice President says it, it's NOT a lie.

ghost, you're correct. Carl Levin is just saying this even thought he knew that the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified.

Matt M,
Cheney is not a Democrat....
?
You mean typical lying Republican??

Levin,. like ALL Demonrats , have to lie to ignorant vomit eaters just like they did with the community organizer from Chicago.

So they have this ROTTEN RAT in a trap.... Now is the time to charge him with war crimes and hang him just like Saddam...

I would pay $10,000 just to see him swinging from a city lamp post in Washington..His neck bound with piano wire.

He is a piece of rotten filithy bottom scum...Just like BUSH, RICE, RUMSFELD.

We should NOT be surprised that dark cheney is not telling the truth AGAIN! The real surprise would be IF he was capable of telling anything but lies! He's evil personified!

PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE IF 'advanced interrogation techniques' worked or didn't work and why it was used. I also don't care if terrorists are detained until they can no longer hold up a rocket launcher without a crutch. You sickening pacifists are the FIRST to cry tears for the enemy and to extol FREEDOM but the LAST to fight for it. When YOU aren't a participant, your opinion means absolutely nothing.
A PROUD VETERAN

Liar + War Profiteer + Coward = Dick Cheney, disgraceful and unAmerican.

It's interesting that Cheney wants these memos released now to prove his longtime assertion of the effectiveness of waterboarding. Yet, while he was still in office, the outcry against waterboarding and other interrogation techniques at that time did not cause him to ask his boss, George W., to release those very same memos.

If George wasn't willing to release them to save both their butts, then maybe there's not much about those memos to prove Cheney's point after all. It seems that Cheney is counting heavily on the memos remaining classified.

Mike Hawthorne, Utah

Don’t forget how Attorney General Eric Holder thinks waterboarding is torture.
CONGRESSMAN DAN LUNGREN, R-CALIF.: If we're causing them to undergo waterboarding, even under the guise of training them, aren't we subjecting them to torture if you have defined waterboarding as torture?
CONGRESSMAN LOUIE GOHMERT, R-TEXAS: If our officers when waterboarding had no intent to do permanent harm and in fact knew absolutely they would do no permanent harm to the person being waterboarded, and their only intent was to get information to save people in this country, then they would not have tortured under your definition, isn't that correct?

U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER: Not in the legal sense. I think that's a fundamentally different thing. It's not torture in the legal sense because we're not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally.

That includes you, ghost. So, shut the eff up.

Until the memo and others things come out, there is no way to know who's lying, who's telling the truth, who said what and who knew what. This way it would stop wasting people's time with assinine pointless arguments between the talking heads in the media and politicians.

Once and for all: It makes NO DIFFERENCE whether the "enhanced" techniques saved American lives! The Bush team wants to make this about whether or not torture works. Everyone ouside of the Bush Administration who engages in this argument is only aiding the Bush/Cheney agenda.The only rational answer to that question is...the ends can NEVER justify the means, PERIOD. No further discussion needed.

The Dems just need to refrain from responding to Limbaugh's or Cheney's BS, for all that does is shine more attention on them.

@ Polar Bears said,

"I hope Cheney has a massive heart attack today:)"

Newsflash: You ARE the hate you project.

You don't know Cheney. You've not sat with him, talked to him, seen the intelligence reports, nor been involved in the decision making process the VP went through.

Yet you project vile hate. THINK ABOUT IT.... you're nothing more than a vessel for ugliness.

What most people call lying, Cheney calls breathing.

And speaking of lies, it amazes me the untruths people spew on these tickers when they try to justify Bush. Some guy on another story was claiming that job creation was up in 2006, and that the Dow was at an all-time high... and that is such a total and easily-checked lie that it's incredible. The Republicans are desperate to find a scapegoat for their failures, but the fact is, they ran roughshod over this country for 8 years, with almost no resistance; the reason Congress's approval rating was so low even after 2006 was the Dems who got elected didn't do their job and oppose Bush's policies - they just sent them right through. Conservativism got a really good testing during Bush's administration, and it failed on every level... and now Republicans are trying to find someone else to blame rather than admit that their entire ideology is wrong and gets terrible results.

Declassify them then.. we will find out the truth!

This dispute should be settled with a FULL INVESTIGATION!!!!!

@Polar Bears Against Palen

"I hope Cheney has a massive heart attack today:)"

And you wonder why liberals are seen as haters by conservatives. If you really feel that way, you don't belong in this country.

BTW, who is Palen?

Cheney lies. This is news?

How funny. A Dem calling a Republican a liar. Look in the mirror. Both are a bunch of hacks.

Sen. Levin, You, Sir, would be the first to trample your fellow man, while fleeing a sinking ship!

No surprise that Cheney lied to back up his bluff. Now his lying buddy Bush rears his ugly head to keep the lie going because they now know the tapes won't be released. They bluffed their way through with hopes that the military generals would go along with them by saying it would put our troops at risk.

Cheney's a liar, He said there were WMD, none, He said waterboarding helped get vital information. Release the documents. Prove him wrong. He's a fear mongor and a racist. Release the documents then give him his hat and send him on his evil way. Doesn't he have a prison to run?

like most americans....we don't believe anything Chaney says anyway...and like most republicans....he's just talking to himself because nobody is really listening to what he says !!!!!!!!!!!!

Levin didn't have to tell us that, we already knew it. Just like the so called memos that say Pelosi was told about waterboarding. There are no memos about the meetings of the committees. The only memos and this has been told over and over by the five federal officials who investigated and read the available memos, were written by the CIA long after the meeting was supposed to have taken place. The federal authorities who read them said, and this has also been reported in the press, but no one seems to have read it, that the memos are only the so called memories of the CIA. AND REALLY NOW, AFTER LYING ABOUT THE TORTURE, WIRETAPPING AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, only those who want to believe that nonsense do.

Kevin in Ohio: Carl Levin is one of the most honorable men in congress...Dick Cheney...like his daughter ...is a bold faced liar..... Which has already been proven...Yes I live in Mi and we love Carl here. We don't tolerate Liars and Thieves!!!

I'm glad that he used the word lie. Call it like it is!

Then release the memos. Simple as that. Anyone, especially politicians, can call anyone else a liar without proof.

I cannot believe the audacity of Levin!! Cheney never said a particular number of people's lives were saved – suffice it to say – lives were saved!!! Levin is an a$$ and know his cowardly liar-campaigner-fundraiser, and everything in between EXCEPT commander and chief is to chicken to show the memos!

What happens if 4 planes crash into buildings tomorrow – does BHO still have "green" cars and free healthcare done in the next 3-8 years? You people have short memories – take a ride to NY and look at that big hole in the ground again.

Regarding Condi Rice: Do you all remember her speaking and subseequent Q&A in the hallway with students? It was soooo obvious that she was scared sh–tless during that exchange. Like Dick and W she is guilty as hell of lying, spinning, c-y-a, for the war crimes committed. Note: haven't seen her out speaking or answering questions since have we? Hmmmmm.

Hey Matt M: It's not up to "his boy" on whether or not the memo's are released. Documents that are classified because of National Security are only released upon approval of the NSA or if a court of law calls for its release.

If you're going to blog in the big leagues... please go back to whatever high school you went to and demand an education, because yours isn't worth a sniff!!!

It's people like you that dumbs down the level of these blogs...

Cheney tell a lie??? Say it isn't so!

We as Americans know that Chaney lied. By his actions, he was all over the map ....that is what LIARS do.

Why is anybody surprised to find that Cheney lies and has so for years. t

Cheney is a criminal and should be thrown in jail.

For all of you who insist that the Dems or Obama are holding back the documents you think will prove Cheney right, can't you even read the article you commented on? The CIA cannot release docs that are part of a freedom of information act lawsuit until that prior request for release is dealt with – that's the law, not Obama's secret agenda – idiots!

Why does it matter who lied? The FBI agent who testified before congress deemed those techniques to be ineffective in retaining valuable information. l have to believe someone in that line of work instead a politician like Cheney.

Dick Cheney has absolutely no credibility. He and his Daughter made a big mistake trying to repair his image. Now when I see Dick Cheney, all I am reminded of his his torture policies. He should have faded in the backround (like Bush),

Okay, Levin, you ethical genius, let's release the memos...ALL the memos, what are you afraid of, that's all Cheney has been asking for, so why don't you do it, you arrogant, know-it-all, piece of excrement.

This is news, that Cheney is lying? What else is new.

Cheney has been lying his pants off from DAY 1 to save his dying torture & draconian legacy!!!

Ms. Dick Cheney lied to get the US to fight an illegal war in Irak and he is now spewing a bold-face lie to justify his criminal conduct – the best treatment for this gorrila war-criminal is for Ms. Dick Cheney to be waterboarded everyday and locked up with his terrorist ilks in GITMO!!!

Someone is not telling the truth? Imagine that? My dollars on are Cheney who hasn't exactly had a proven track record of truthfulness yet. Release the documents and be done with it.

you're kidding me CNN.... Cheney lied??? nooo...

Pierre Changstien, So you are saying that if I only murdered 3 people, that would be OK? But don't go over 3? Is that how the rule of law works?

Why is anyone listening to Cheney for anyway??? He was a coward that had 5 deferments to not serve in the military! If he had served in the military – he would not have allowed torture (Waterboarding) because he would have known that it could have been used on him.

I think the lack of a terrorist attack on US soil the past eight proves whatever Bush & Cheney did was effective... given that reportedly every bone in McCain's body was broken, I think the terrorists' fears of being drowned are nowhere near the torture US soldiers have faced, and the namby-pamby doves in Washington need to realize the same as our government did after Pearl Harbor, the gloves are off and we shouldn't be held back by the UN or NATO or any other restrictions concerning enemies of the state... when the equivalent of 9/11 happens in the rest of the world, a new attitude will emerge towards these thugs. Maybe we should 'bounce the rubble' with a few nukes on the border mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and at the same time remind North Korea what it means to be a superpower. God bless the USA!!!

Find a synonym for Liar....Cheney....The world knows that !

If that is true what levin says why is he so concerned. i guess the democrats werent that concerned prior to 9/11 and saving countless lives. now that it is in vogue they are highly concerned. great photo op for levin and the dems.

If Cheney really wanted those documents declassified and released, he had the power to do so as recently as five months ago .... and didn't.

....and Carl-the-Combover Levin has done such and outstanding job for the State of Michigan, and the taxpayers of The United States all these years. What an idiot.

I'm pleased to see that the pro-Cheney crowd is also asking for the documents to be released. There should therefore be no objection if Obama allows this.

Interesting then, that the Democrats should say that Cheney is lying and the the documents prove this, and then refuse to release the documents. Unless, of course, it is the Democrats that are lying.

Two things are made clear by the comments here: First, most of you are going to believe what your party is telling you to believe, so it doesn't matter what the documents actually reveal. Second, a lot of you should find something more productive to do with your time than spend all day bickering on these sites.

The assumption that Cheney, Bush and the rest are trying to fool you with is the notion that torture was the best, fastest, most reliable way of interrogation. The truth is that the "enhanced interrogation" was not the best technique, nor the fastest, nor even particularly reliable, according to the interrogation professionals in our government.

The Bush administration chose a mediocre approach over much better ones, an approach that shamed us on the world stage.

I wish some Republican had the courage to stand up and say that Americans do not do that, that we stand for higher and better things.

So release the documents...

Curious how long Levin knew this? When was he briefed? Was he with Pelosi...

Release them all... and burn all who knew about it... good for the goose... good for the (well you know)

Carl,
Please allow ME, an American, to READ for MYSELF what the documents say or do not say. DO NOT tell us what YOU think the documents say or what you personally read in them. Let us think for ourselves. Thats whats wrong with you politicians, you dont trust the people to decide for themselves. I hate that all of you think we are stupid, and maybe we were to elect your butt to congress/senate.

@ Steve M Killeen, TX says,

"I would not believe DICK Cheney if he told me the sky was blue."

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Thank you for PROVING that liberals are blind to the truth because of their partisan hatred!

Because you hate Cheney – you refuse to believe the sky is blue.

Because you hate Cheney – you refuse to believe there are terrorists trying to hurt us.

Because you hate Cheney – you think BUSH & Cheney were the ones who concocted this intelligence reports about Saddam having WMDs – irregardless of intelligence reports from France, Germany, Russia, England, and other countries saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Because you hate Cheney – you've become a blathering idiot.

Hint to all RATIONAL people reading these posts - any time you see someone refer to Obama's economic policies as "socialism" or "socialistic" or ask - again - about Obama's birth certificate - those are imbecils who only listen to Rush and ditto his own complete lack of knowledge.

Obama's made his birtch certificate available since back when he was running and the idiocy first came up. The state of Hawaii certifies it.

9 out of 10 economist predict we should see an END to the recession and possibly an UPturn by the end of THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. Yet - Obama's plans aren't working.

See what I mean?

These are ALL people you can just skip. Their comments are the rattling of empty heads.

Why can't we just leave this behind us?

Is waterboarding torture?

It's an interrogation technique that involves making an individual feel there is a possibility he will drown. Is that torture? I don't know. If I am able to convince a person he is going to lose something valuable if he doesn't talk, is that always torture?

Did waterboarding work?

Well, we came up with intelligence, somehow, that prevented another attack on this country since 9/11/2001. Was it attained through interrogation of our detainees or in some other way?

Should we prosecute the Bush Administration for war crimes?

Of course not!!! Leave this alone and get on with life.

My biggest worry is what are we going to do if there is another 9/11? We can't afford it. The Obama Administration is too busy becoming owners of all of our banks, mortgage/insurance companies and auto makers.

This worry about the past is a smoke screen to make people miss what's going on today.

Cheney lied???

Next thing they'll be saying is that the sun is big, round and hot.

Why am I not suprised?? When has Cheney ever told the truth

I believe Cheney. I don't believe Levin.....Levin is a democrat, therefore Levin lies.

Someone should humor Jesse Ventura's request for , 1 hour, a waterboard setup and Dick Cheney's presence. I'm sure we'll be able to detain someone who confesses to the Tate murders almost indefinately. We could even throw in a military trial and some hersey, since it's allowed there. California IS the frontlines of the 'war on terror and drugs', it is, after all, a battlefield according to them. No Geneva Convention violations there. Given his distain for the American people he should even be declared an enemy of the state. Good luck with that 2012 bid from the 'new Gitmo' wherever that ends up crashing down!

I quite agree with you, Brain in AZ. Levin is the biggest liar of all time.

He must took some pointers from Obama!

bush lied so your child died, chaney was too busy to go to viet nam, just schmucks like me, so he has no standing other than he is a war criminal that the gutless world courts won't arrest. Why don't you racist right wingers go off and die.

...and this surprises who? The reason Bush told an audience that torture worked was because Cheney told him it did. Again, does this surprise you? Keep on digging that hole Dick....

Can't have it both ways, people. Someone's lying and we don't know who. Neither has proof. So till we release the docs, everyone needs to shut the eff up about it.

I wish it were surprising that the former Vice president would lie to the American people. Alas, it is not.

Let Cheney be judged in the International court for Human rights abuse. I hope he realize that he is not God.

How is Dick Cheney lying event remotely considered news...
It's like reporting that the sun rose this morning.

I see that Bush is now repeating Cheneys lies

Cheney always was and still is a dirtbag who committed crimes against humanity.

I hope Cheney has a massive heart attack today:)

He can safely lie and say that, because he knows his boy, Obama won't release them.

Typical lying democrat.

The right question is: is waterboarding torture and thus a war crime? If waterboarding were so "effective" why did the Americans prosecute other people for applying it to American soldiers? Is international law only enforceable on weak countries?

Disclassify the documents and let the truth come out if the democrates were not also envolved. Hypocrites!

I do believe Sen. Carl Levin, over Dick Chenet any day of the week. However, if there are any Republican Senators on the Armed Services Committe, this information coming from one of them would make a stronger statement . Why can´t one of them speak up? Are they waiting for Rush´s approval?

Lets see all the memo.

We know how his game is played.

nice the see the democrat terrorist defense squad out in full force. remember folks, we are talking about the waterboarding of ONLY 3 senior alQaeda members, each of whom had a role in the 9/11 attacks.. that is all... 3 al Q members who particiapted in the murder of 3000 americans and made it clear they want to kill many, many more.. you freaks make it sound like cheney was rounding up liberals and waterboarding them. maybe we should be waterboarding you al Qaeda sympathizing traitors....

Michael wrote: Lies from Dick Cheney…why are we not surprised?
Nothing new here.
Revelation 21:8
"But … all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
For the Bible-thumpers out there

Yeah, but it's a dry heat. Have a nice day!

Hey, Levin can't campaign in Detroit about the economic successes of Obamanomic socialism, so why wouldn't he take the easy way out and pump himself up against a person with a reputation like Cheney's?

In fact, I'd be surprised if Levin WEREN'T trying to distract us from bad policies with bed personalities...

What did Condoleezza Rice know...what did the CIA tell her? Why aren't the Republicans demanding an investigation about what she knows, and who told her? Until she can prove that she knew nothing, she is just as guilty....sound familiar?

Is anyone surprised?Even the paid street teamers on here are cracking up,wondering how to spin some new lies.Keep up the great work crushers,Rush is about to explode today.Just be sure to have an umbrella or rain coat handy,the flying fat could be toxic.hahahaha

Easy way to solve this...

Show the documents. Release them all.

Obama can use that time to show his birth certificate too. Not that I care, but the fact that the man is going to spend over a million dollars to keep his birth certificate sealed peaks my interest.

Everyone wants the documents declassified. So do it! Someonw will be proven correct – someone will be proven incorrect. I mean really... this isn't very difficult, is it?

DICK Cheney lied? Insert shock here................

Thanks Captian Obvious, no way! Dick lied? Wow how suprised I am.

Come on Obama!! RELEASE THE DOCUMENTS!!!

Where is the "Transparency" you promised??

Why did you redact the released memo – removing the affirmation noted by your Secretary of Defense??

All we hear are baseless allegations from Pelosi and now Levin – yet the PRESIDENT refuses to allow us all to see the TRUTH.

Why????

Well, then PROVE IT Levin. Lets see the documents. Oh, that's right.... you and Obama only want half the story told. YOUR half. Liar.

We are NOT surprised. We all know he is a BIG liar.

Isn't Cheney in jail yet?

The fact that somepeople still have W or Bush Cheney stickers on their cars not only amazes me, but proves what an effective liar Cheney has been and continues to be. At one point, polls showed that 60% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9-11 – mostly due to the lies Cheney told in their run up to a war of choice that had nothing to do with 9-11. His lies and continuous politics of fear got Bush re-elected in 2004. It's about time that our elected offficials stood up to him in large numbers, call him out on his lies and deceptions, then appoint a special prosecuter to investigate his actions over the past 9 years! If the republicants can spend the time, effort and waste the money they did on the Clinton / Lewinsky affair, why can't democrats get the nerve to investigate something worthwhile to hold people acountable and prevent those abuses of power from ever happening again?

A Democrat claims Cheney lied. Rush claims Pelosi lied. Liberal moonbats hate George Bush. CNN is the master of the obvious.

Where are the articles about Repub car dealers being term'd by BHO's car czar. Or the dismissal of the case v. New Black Panther party?

Most of us did not need Sam Levin to say Cheney is lying.. but it good he is speaking out. I wish more would speak out and the Press and Cable and Broad casting companies would STOP GIVING HIM AIR TIME!!!

Sounds like Levin is the liar. RELEASE the documents! If you're telling the truth Levin, what's the problem?

Cheney really thought the info on these memos would not get out. That's why he lied about what's on them. Way to go Senator. Let the truth ring loud and clear.

Cheney needs to be telling his story to the jury judging him for war crimes.

The exit sign in the picture of Cheney with the story is funny. He should us it.

Lies from Dick Cheney...why are we not surprised?
Nothing new here.
Revelation 21:8
"But ... all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
For the Bible-thumpers out there

Oh Levin... where is your proof? Don't have any? No surprise.

The Hounorble Former VP Dick Cheney Lied!!! How could anyone say such a thing? For Gods Sakes he helped put this Country in Great Econmic Surplus and Defeated all our enemies ,, everyone on earth luvs us,, and not to mention his Charitable Former Haliburtun that got all the Contract Bids in Iraq to only do good for this country!!!

He might not be VP anymore but he makes a great Candidate for Pope

These are not the documents you seek... *waves hand*

Fooled again by the Jedi mind tricks? How can we take seriously a man who hid for 8 years from public view while he crafted much of what left the country in ruins today? And NOW he wants to come out and tell his story?

Atta Boy Carl...

...you tell 'em...

im tired of this subject. why dont we punish terrorist with the same methods we would an underage shoplifter? our government is overstepping its bounds and wasting a lot of time money and energy in so many areas right now. ok don't waterboard anymore, but leave the idiot alone its done, nothing is going to correct it. nothings gonna make it right. im afraid of where this is all going. I never thought the american people would stand by and watch its constitution be ignored and it foundation be dug up by its governing forces. but really what do you mean waterboarding doesnt work? you should try it sometime

Reminds me of the old Joke: How can you tell if a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.

Cheney has bamboozled himself, and his supporters, to believe that lies are the truth and that the truth is a lie.

Our only hope is that he and Bush (the boob) will be brought up on war crimes charges.

Unless Cheney somehow has mistakenly requested the wrong documents (sarcasm), that means that he is the lier and the coward that he has always been. All we have to do is be patient, the truth will come out soon, then maybe he will go away and take lipbaugh with him forever. The truth really won't do anything for his daughter's political ambitions either, will it?

Of course, he says Cheney lied. Where was he when this was going on? Was he in the same briefing that Nancy was? Everything is the Bush administration's fault. No one says a word about the fact that if Billy Jeff had done what he was supposed to when we were attacked, none of this would have happened in the first place. However, "talking" fixed everything. Yeap, until we were bombed again.

Cheney needs to be investigated and punished. San Quinton sounds good to me.

In other news, water is wet. Stay tuned for details. Have a nice day!

What the heavens is wrong with reporters these days?

It should be "Michigan Democratic Senator," not Michigan "Democrat" Senator.

There you go... You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

The FBI interrogator used sugarless cookies and got very useful information. Waterboarding is torture, no ifs ands or buts...

When out soldiers had this done, there were doctors there, and it can cause death. Cheney is evil, he and Bush lied to us. WMD's in Iraq where our focus should have been in Afghanistan to catch and kill Osama Bin Laden and to get rid of the Taliban, now they are in Pakistan and trying to take over that Country."

Only 1 way to solve this.

SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTS!!!!!!!

Otherwise I will assume that Levin is the liar.

Why are we even shocked that Bush and Cheney lie now after their failed administration?

Liars during office and liars after office. . . .

Carl levin is a dirt bag, just look at Michigan Welfare as we know it

This is why the Bush administration should be prosecuted and sent to prison for life, they took the law into there own hands, always went over the House & Senate's heads and thats wrong. I knew they were lying, thats all they've ever done, but then we should get rid of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? Yeah right, these Republicans are just so outrages, Im proud and happy to be a Liberal Democrat

Scott Stodden (Freeport, IL)

i dont beleive either one of those hacks

I would not believe DICK Cheney if he told me the sky was blue.

OK Senator,

Prove it, show us the documents! If you can prove that waterboarding doesn't work, why not encourage Obama to declassify the documents.

Lies! So what the hell was Bush talking about last night that the intelligence they gathered from torturing these detainees saved lives? They are living in a fantasy world and not the real one. They can't rewrite history. Their is no great legacy to be told about the Bush Regime 20-30 years from now.

So, Cheney lied?

WOW, I am really so very, very shocked!

Does anyone really expect anything other than falsehoods from Cheney?

Cheney lied. What, is that supposed to come as some big surprise?