May 29th, 2009
02:26 PM ET
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Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says former Vice President Dick Cheney's claims - that classified CIA memos show enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding worked - are wrong.

Levin, speaking at the Foreign Policy Association's annual dinner on Wednesday, said an investigation by his committee into detainee abuse charges over the use of the techniques - now deemed torture by the Obama administration - "gives the lie to Mr. Cheney's claims."

The Michigan Democrat told the crowd that the two CIA documents that Cheney wants released "say nothing about numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques."

"I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction," he added.

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  1. DAS

    To Robin,

    Obama's birth certificate copies are already out and included in the the Presidential Inaguration souvenir book sold in Wal-Mart. I saw it in someone's home last week.

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  2. SD,Michigan

    I have the utmost repect for our Sen Carl Levin from Michigan! My vote is for you , senator!
    Gary Peters is the second best! Dem-Michigan!

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  3. Ray

    The Attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 was no joke. The Attack on the World Trade Center on 911 was no joke. The people on here that are Attacking Cheney and the Bush Adminstratiion really need to take another look. Someone has to do the dirty work. Bill Clinton didn't do it. If he had we may have not suffered the attack on 911. It discusts me to no end that the Clinton Adminstration supposedly warned the Bush Adminstration. No kidding. Why didn't Clinton do something.

    Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  4. Billy Ray Valentine, Philadelphia, PA

    You can all forget about a war crimes trial. That will all be swept under the rug now that Pelosi has implicated herself in knowing about the waterboarding in 2003. If you indict the bush administration, you'll have to also indict Nancy for being complicit in not standing up and saying anything until 2009. How many other dems knew that it was going on? They need to be indicted as well.

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  5. Corey Gabriel

    Most of you people on here are mis-informed and ill educated, and you rely on falsities and unproven allegations to make your points, like the poster that stated that Obama spent 1 million dollars to keep his birth certificate sealed. Where does that non-sense come from? That's the problem with the internet and these posting places....anybody can post any falsehood non-sense and somebody will be gullible enough to believe it. Wise up everybody!

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  6. obama support team

    This is where Dick Cheney's daughter Liz needs to shut up. She is about to insert foot in her mouth

    May 29, 2009 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  7. SaintGenesius

    Cheney truly believes what he is saying, but as Wilder said about Christ on the cross, "just because you are willing to die for something does not make it right." Cheney is wrong based on an absolute overwhelming amount of evidence.

    Experts in these areas point out that torture does not work. People who were directly involved say the torture did not work. Generals have said it did not work. Not a shred of evidence that Cheney points to actually suggests any success from torture. Even the guys they were torturing were not high level al Queda members, as the administration had boasted.

    Let's also remember, this is the same guy who was convinced that the Iraqi people would throw flowers at the feet of our troops. This is the guy who was convinced beyond any doubt that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. Cheney has never been right on any major issue –ever.

    Aside from his sudden turn around where everything should be declassified after he made a career of saying just the opposite; it is clear they Cheney's primary objective is protecting his legacy, whatever that might wind up being.

    Dick Cheney would be a war criminal in any other nation, why not this one?

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  8. TG

    Does it make it legal to torture if what you are doing is to save lives regardless if they were terrorists? What lives did they save with this intelligence? I am quite curious since OUR men and women are still fighting in a war that was suppose to be about 9/11 and losing their lives while Bin Laden who is responsible for 9/11 is still out there enjoying his. Oh... sorry.... that had to do with weapons of mass destrution didnt it? PLEASE!

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  9. Dave

    TO "VON BISMARK,Vienna."

    The waterboarding at Gitmo was NOTHING like the waterboarding that other nations (Japan to name one) were condemned for. This was a few seconds of simulated drowning with a sanatized tube on the man who helped behead Daniel Pearl and plan 9/11. What you are comparing it to is Japan's waterboarding in WW2 which consisted of filing the persons intestines with water until they were bloated and it burst, which in turn killed them. It was done for the sake of it, not to save lives.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  10. Miss Lead

    This scumbag knows that President Obama will not release those documents for security reasons. That´s why he is making all kinds of false statements.
    This piece of s.hi.t should be in jail.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  11. Sandy Underpants

    Obama can't release the memos that show torture worked, because they don't exist. It's the same false argument Cheney used to argue FOR war with Iraq. It's the WMD that doesn't exist!

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  12. Rowan

    Never trust someone that talks through the side of the mouth...GW and the CEO (GW 's puppeteer) should use some of their riches (made during their reign/regime) and take a hunting trip...torture some animals, perhaps shoot each other!

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  13. Jim Fawcett

    Robin, don't you read the newspapers, or the Internet, or coloring books or whatever? Obama's birth certificate has been released so many times by: the hospital he was born in; the state of Hawaii, the doctor that delivered him; his now deceased grandmother; various Honolulu papers. It's been released so many times it should be on the NYT best seller list. Of course I realize, per Michael Savage, and other right wing morons, that the state of Hawaii, the Hospital, the Honolulu papers, are all in collusion to lie to the American people. Are you one of those right wing morons? Sounds like it to me.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  14. Ms Priss

    Well, Levin, if you have always thought that enhanced interrogation was wrong or ineffective, why the devil didn't you stop it while it was occurring? You had the power to stop it by doing just what you're doing now, going through the media. You are the biggest liar of all, now speaking without Cheney to rebut your claims.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  15. Adele

    When will that awful evil man Cheney be PROSECUTED. He is no better than the Nazi Eischman.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  16. Kevin B.

    Cheneys request to release the memo's was a bluff, now he is being called on his bluff. If these memos do not show "lives saved" then Mr Cheney and team should face charges for lying and torture. Plain and simple.

    Anyone foolish enough to defend torture deserves his fate.

    May 29, 2009 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  17. JerryAW

    @lynn in NM
    So let me get this straight. When Bush-Cheney decided to break the law, it was the fault of Pelosi, Levin, and others for not stopping them? Anything any Dem did at that time to try to stop them would have been (and maybe even was) overruled. Even if they did know anything they couldn't speak publicly because that information would have been highly classified at the time. Its a great ploy to transfer responsibility from the perpetrators to bystanders, but it won't work this time.
    Regarding the former President Clinton, who you so snidely refer to as "Billy Jeff", the people who were responsible for the first WTC bombing are now securely incarcerated in US prisons; too bad we can't say the same for the person responsible for the 2nd WTC attack (Osama bin Laden), who was allowed to escape from the Tora Bora area of Afghanistan by Bush (a longtime friend of the bin Laden family). Just in case you were referring to the bombing of the USS Cole, that happened as Clinton was about to leave office, and it wasn't until later that any fault was assigned for that – too late for Clinton to act on it.

    May 29, 2009 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  18. James Hart

    Cheney couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

    May 29, 2009 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  19. Brad

    The fact of the matter is, in war, torture is necessary. Regardless of who's side you're on. If you don't like it, don't go to war.

    May 29, 2009 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  20. Mark

    Well of course he lied! That's what Cheney & friends do best, lie and steal and kill. so again, yes of course he lied! Why would anybody be surprised by this? He is a bad person and bad people lie.

    May 29, 2009 01:40 pm at 1:40 pm |
  21. Jim

    "we are talking about the waterboarding of ONLY 3 senior alQaeda members, each of whom had a role in the 9/11 attacks.."

    What kind of completely stupid argument is that ? Thats something my kids would come up with. "Hey, but I only did it to 3 people". Can I go murder 3 of my neighbors now and say its OK because there are only 3 of them ?

    You are an idiot "Pierre"

    May 29, 2009 01:40 pm at 1:40 pm |
  22. calle

    Darth Vader is up to his old tricks. Don't be fooled people. Speaking of being fooled why is Darth Vader's daughter backing him up. Here is a man who supports a party that is determined to keep people like Vader's daughter (lesbian) from her civil rights and she's defending her father to the American public. How stupid is that? Darth Vader must of put some STUPID JUICE in her baby bottle!!!! Its so funny how the Repubs always turn out to have the gay kids and friends (Reagan, Cheny, Guliani, and on, and on, and on . . . ) You think God may be trying to tell them something? HMMM, MARINATE ON THAT FOR A WHILE.

    May 29, 2009 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
  23. democrat in Mich

    Levin needs to attend to the needs of his state, in case he has not been lately, people are suffering worse fate than a terrorist who got his due.

    May 29, 2009 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
  24. Greg

    I sure do love the continuance of the vocalizations holding higher ground than documents that are not shared; but this is fact to the majority of you...sad

    May 29, 2009 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
  25. Ramon

    Re Matt M's characterization of .".. his boy, Obama ... "says alot about lingering racism in this country.

    May 29, 2009 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
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