May 29th, 2009
02:26 PM ET
9 years ago

Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says former Vice President Dick Cheney's claims - that classified CIA memos show enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding worked - are wrong.

Levin, speaking at the Foreign Policy Association's annual dinner on Wednesday, said an investigation by his committee into detainee abuse charges over the use of the techniques - now deemed torture by the Obama administration - "gives the lie to Mr. Cheney's claims."

The Michigan Democrat told the crowd that the two CIA documents that Cheney wants released "say nothing about numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques."

"I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction," he added.

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  1. EDC

    To Pierre Changstien: So you don't believe in our laws, you don't believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Is that correct? Because if you do then you will know that inhumane treatment of any prisoner of war (or enemy combatant as the idiotic republicans want to call them) is against the Geneva Convention of which the United States is a signator. It doesn't matter that it was ONLY used on 3 El Qaeda members. The United States NOT using torture is what has in the past set us apart from other nations. No more though thanks to people who think just like you.

    Make no mistake - waterboarding is torture. The United States deemed it so quite a long time ago. We don't just throw out our laws, morals and values because we were attacked. We did the same knee-jerk reactionary crap during WWII when we rounded up and interred every Japanese-American living here. That was wrong and we knew it then and we know it now. Waterboarding is torture, it is wrong, it is immoral and it goes against everything that every soldier who has ever fought for our country knows. You, Mr. Changstien, are a coward and a traitor.

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  2. Larry S

    And why would anyone belive someone from a party that has lied everyday. Ther liberals only know how to put blame on others with their lies. There is never any proof . . . maybe becuase they have no proof . . . so I guess the demos have proven it is OK to LIE.

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  3. Romney2012

    I wish all liberals would be waterboarded....what a dream that would be!

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  4. John

    As was revealed over this past weekend, Cheney was part of the team that developed a directive classifying these memos. He knew, firsthand, they couldn't be de-classified, because he had been part of the process to classify them. Then, he conveniently ignored what he knew, to publicly call for their de-classification, knowing full well it couldn't be done, thanks to his own actions, while in office.

    Crafty? Cynical? Nope. Cheney.

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  5. Rose

    Levin mentions only two documents, why should we believe him at all, I am sure there are several other documents that may support Cheney's claim but those won't be released either.

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  6. Amanda B Reckonwith

    If you move the L to the end and drop the n Levin becomes evil.
    See how I as a Republican proved it? Why doen's anyone else get it?

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  7. Brad

    There is only one way to find out if Cheney is telling the truth....WATERBOARD HIM!!!

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  8. Grant from Denver, CO

    Hey Pierre Changstien, nice name frenchy!
    The only traitors to their country here are the ones that went to war under false pretenses. You know, like that Iraq was linked to the folks who DID attack us. My guess is that includes you. Why don't you step up to the firing squad tough-guy. Otherwise, do us a favor and shut-up!

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  9. Anonymous

    Bush should just do what he has been doing.......keeping quite on the side know longer is his term in office and he had done the right thing by keeping silent, but to start agreeing with Cheney will only take him back down the road to being as unpopular as ever.........Bush needs to distance himself as far as he can from Cheney

    May 29, 2009 01:46 pm at 1:46 pm |
  10. David Ottson

    Cheney needs to take a bottle and go to bed !

    May 29, 2009 01:47 pm at 1:47 pm |
  11. AJ

    Everyone knows that Cheney is a liar, why is this news? Dick and G.W. were allowed to lie to the American people for years, systematically chipping away at the civil liberties that this nation was founded upon, and no one seemed to care. Why all the sudden interest??

    May 29, 2009 01:48 pm at 1:48 pm |
  12. shucks

    He is still one of the mouthpieces of the Republican party and republicans don't see anything wrong with this? This is an ex-vice president. Give America a break. We all know the lies we were told all along. Some of us knew they were lies as we were hearing them. Why would he stop lying now when he and his administration are in trouble for torturing and decieving the world and the American public. Next up Liz Cheney and her my fathers no criminal campaign.

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  13. duh

    Did the people posting on here, those that are demanding the documents get released and burying Levin, read the article or just the headline? Levin was quoted as saying he hoped they get released so that people can judge for themselves. The CIA won't release them because they are part of a lawsuit. Seems like a reasonable explanation to me. After throughly reading this article, I suggest people read studies on torture techniques. They yield innacurate information and are widely considered inhumane. ManCow proved that yesterday. Now its Hannity's turn...Gov. Ventura, please get your waterboard ready!

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  14. ria, los angeles

    get ready for the slammer dick!

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  15. Duck Fallas

    Carl Levin- the only Democrat with any guts.

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  16. Tom

    As he continues to maintain his ranking as the biggest Dick of our time. Much bigger than even Tricky Dick Nixon.
    God Bless America!!!

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  17. Simpliticus

    Makes one wonder what Cheney's motives are for addressing these issues of torture now! It would seem that Cheney would need both a strong stomach and a good heart to deal with the matters so raised by his talking of late! I would suspect that Levin is correct nad that Cheney has been doing a great deal of being a contrarian about his deeds or misdeeds in the Bush administration. Even Bush isn't saying very much about the exploits of his administration other than saying the safe things like we saved lives! Sounds an awful lot like watching too many Tom Cruise movies!

    May 29, 2009 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  18. Jackie

    I find it truly hypocritical that some are asking Levin to provide proof or he's the liar. How come Cheney isn't/wasn't held to the same standard – ever?

    May 29, 2009 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  19. RWE

    i love cheney.

    May 29, 2009 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  20. Eric

    To those of you wondering why Obama is not releasing the memos, here's why. They would show clearly the lies and deceptions coming from Cheney and others. The population would force a complete investigation and those criminals would be charged. Obama is doing his best to avoid it. You might disagree with him, but he thinks that with all the problems right now, there is no looking back and no time to waste on criminals who are out of power anyway.

    May 29, 2009 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  21. Judy

    Do we really need to see a document to know that Dick Cheney is a liar?

    May 29, 2009 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  22. jim

    Levin and the Democrats (both MI senators, MI governor, Detroit Mayor, etc.) should be proud that their state has the highest unemployment, the worst schools, the highest dropout and teen pregnancy rates, and the worst economy of any state. Oh yeah, and the former Mayor ( a Democrat) is in jail. Nice deflection.

    May 29, 2009 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  23. Darth Liar

    Sure is good to have a little more documentary evidence that shows what we've always known: the ex-VP is a fear-mongering liar.

    May 29, 2009 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  24. Fitz in Texas

    Show me, show me, show me Senator Carl Levin. Show the American people to back up your words. Until then I refuse to believe anything that comes out of your mouth.

    May 29, 2009 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  25. M, from Caribbean


    Please, we need the FACTS before we make a judgement!

    Hmmm... this whole turtore thing is a waste of time! As a country we should be looking forward and not backwards, seeking revenge or to teach "someone" a lesson


    May 29, 2009 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
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