May 29th, 2009
02:26 PM ET
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Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.
Democratic Sen. Carl Levin is challenging former Vice President Cheney's recent claims about the effectiveness of the Bush administration's use of harsh interrorgation techniques.

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says former Vice President Dick Cheney's claims - that classified CIA memos show enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding worked - are wrong.

Levin, speaking at the Foreign Policy Association's annual dinner on Wednesday, said an investigation by his committee into detainee abuse charges over the use of the techniques - now deemed torture by the Obama administration - "gives the lie to Mr. Cheney's claims."

The Michigan Democrat told the crowd that the two CIA documents that Cheney wants released "say nothing about numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques."

"I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction," he added.

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  1. Anonymous

    How funny. A Dem calling a Republican a liar. Look in the mirror. Both are a bunch of hacks.

    May 29, 2009 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  2. RAG

    Cheney lies. This is news?

    May 29, 2009 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  3. Tom Eyemdaman

    @Polar Bears Against Palen

    "I hope Cheney has a massive heart attack today:)"

    And you wonder why liberals are seen as haters by conservatives. If you really feel that way, you don't belong in this country.

    BTW, who is Palen?

    May 29, 2009 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  4. J

    This dispute should be settled with a FULL INVESTIGATION!!!!!

    May 29, 2009 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  5. Mike

    Declassify them then.. we will find out the truth!

    May 29, 2009 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  6. Dave

    What most people call lying, Cheney calls breathing.

    And speaking of lies, it amazes me the untruths people spew on these tickers when they try to justify Bush. Some guy on another story was claiming that job creation was up in 2006, and that the Dow was at an all-time high... and that is such a total and easily-checked lie that it's incredible. The Republicans are desperate to find a scapegoat for their failures, but the fact is, they ran roughshod over this country for 8 years, with almost no resistance; the reason Congress's approval rating was so low even after 2006 was the Dems who got elected didn't do their job and oppose Bush's policies - they just sent them right through. Conservativism got a really good testing during Bush's administration, and it failed on every level... and now Republicans are trying to find someone else to blame rather than admit that their entire ideology is wrong and gets terrible results.

    May 29, 2009 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  7. ray ray

    @ Polar Bears said,

    "I hope Cheney has a massive heart attack today:)"

    Newsflash: You ARE the hate you project.

    You don't know Cheney. You've not sat with him, talked to him, seen the intelligence reports, nor been involved in the decision making process the VP went through.

    Yet you project vile hate. THINK ABOUT IT.... you're nothing more than a vessel for ugliness.

    May 29, 2009 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  8. kevincollins

    The Dems just need to refrain from responding to Limbaugh's or Cheney's BS, for all that does is shine more attention on them.

    May 29, 2009 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  9. eyesWIDEopen

    Once and for all: It makes NO DIFFERENCE whether the "enhanced" techniques saved American lives! The Bush team wants to make this about whether or not torture works. Everyone ouside of the Bush Administration who engages in this argument is only aiding the Bush/Cheney agenda.The only rational answer to that question is...the ends can NEVER justify the means, PERIOD. No further discussion needed.

    May 29, 2009 01:12 pm at 1:12 pm |
  10. James Edwards

    Until the memo and others things come out, there is no way to know who's lying, who's telling the truth, who said what and who knew what. This way it would stop wasting people's time with assinine pointless arguments between the talking heads in the media and politicians.

    May 29, 2009 01:12 pm at 1:12 pm |
  11. Polar Bears Against Palen

    That includes you, ghost. So, shut the eff up.

    May 29, 2009 01:12 pm at 1:12 pm |
  12. Ryan

    Don’t forget how Attorney General Eric Holder thinks waterboarding is torture.
    CONGRESSMAN DAN LUNGREN, R-CALIF.: If we're causing them to undergo waterboarding, even under the guise of training them, aren't we subjecting them to torture if you have defined waterboarding as torture?
    CONGRESSMAN LOUIE GOHMERT, R-TEXAS: If our officers when waterboarding had no intent to do permanent harm and in fact knew absolutely they would do no permanent harm to the person being waterboarded, and their only intent was to get information to save people in this country, then they would not have tortured under your definition, isn't that correct?

    U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER: Not in the legal sense. I think that's a fundamentally different thing. It's not torture in the legal sense because we're not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally.

    May 29, 2009 01:12 pm at 1:12 pm |
  13. Mike Hawthorne

    It's interesting that Cheney wants these memos released now to prove his longtime assertion of the effectiveness of waterboarding. Yet, while he was still in office, the outcry against waterboarding and other interrogation techniques at that time did not cause him to ask his boss, George W., to release those very same memos.

    If George wasn't willing to release them to save both their butts, then maybe there's not much about those memos to prove Cheney's point after all. It seems that Cheney is counting heavily on the memos remaining classified.

    Mike Hawthorne, Utah

    May 29, 2009 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  14. Tim in Atlanta

    Liar + War Profiteer + Coward = Dick Cheney, disgraceful and unAmerican.

    May 29, 2009 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  15. Bill in California

    PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE IF 'advanced interrogation techniques' worked or didn't work and why it was used. I also don't care if terrorists are detained until they can no longer hold up a rocket launcher without a crutch. You sickening pacifists are the FIRST to cry tears for the enemy and to extol FREEDOM but the LAST to fight for it. When YOU aren't a participant, your opinion means absolutely nothing.
    A PROUD VETERAN

    May 29, 2009 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  16. suzyku

    We should NOT be surprised that dark cheney is not telling the truth AGAIN! The real surprise would be IF he was capable of telling anything but lies! He's evil personified!

    May 29, 2009 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  17. NEVADA JOE

    So they have this ROTTEN RAT in a trap.... Now is the time to charge him with war crimes and hang him just like Saddam...

    I would pay $10,000 just to see him swinging from a city lamp post in Washington..His neck bound with piano wire.

    He is a piece of rotten filithy bottom scum...Just like BUSH, RICE, RUMSFELD.

    May 29, 2009 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  18. Ty Coon

    Levin,. like ALL Demonrats , have to lie to ignorant vomit eaters just like they did with the community organizer from Chicago.

    May 29, 2009 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  19. Richard

    Matt M,
    Cheney is not a Democrat....
    ?
    You mean typical lying Republican??

    May 29, 2009 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  20. Ryan

    ghost, you're correct. Carl Levin is just saying this even thought he knew that the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified.

    May 29, 2009 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  21. Joe

    But..but..but...if the Vice President says it, it's NOT a lie.

    May 29, 2009 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  22. felicia

    I hope they don't show any of these reports, or pictures and the way i see it the people who wants these memos released is just asking fir trouble. They want to see my Pesident fail but he's on his p's

    May 29, 2009 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  23. john

    Put Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld on trial for war crimes, abide by the outcome and put an end to this already.

    May 29, 2009 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  24. jay in denver

    If the enhanced interrogation techniques were as successful as Cheney asserts, I assume the information gleaned allowed us to capture and prosecute Osama bin Laden. I must have missed that particular news cycle, though.

    Oh, and BTW, we somehow managed to defeat the Japanese empire, Communism, and the Nazis without resorting to torture. Explain to me, using small words and visual aids, why we need to justify using it now.

    May 29, 2009 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  25. jacksonville

    Okay we know Cheney lied. So what now? Will he be prosecuted? This man should be punished and put in prison. He cause alot of lives during 9/11. He is as guilty as Bush. These people must be punished for their crimes. He will reap what he has sowed. If he thinks he has gotten away with this; just wait and see. Time will tell because he will suffer the consequences one way or another (personal and/or imprisonment). That you can take to the bank. Just look at him; he is so dissappointed because Bush isn't degrading the Commander-In-Chief and he has no support from his fellow Republican to back him. He missed used his power and leadership and now it's come back to haunt him. What has he got to say about that? ah ah ah

    Obama 2012

    May 29, 2009 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
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