(CNN) – The dinner discussion at the next Woodhouse family gathering should be spirited – if Tuesday's face off between brothers Dallas and Brad is any indication.
Dallas and Brad Woodhouse are on opposite sides of the heated debate over how to reform the nation's health care system with both brothers trying to shape public opinion on the issue.
Brad is the communications director for the Democratic National Committee, while Dallas works for Americans for Prosperity in North Carolina. The DNC, of course, is promoting President Obama's approach to health care reform, while Americans for Prosperity opposes it.
"It is simple that the president is loosing this debate," Dallas said during the debate with his brother on CNN's American Morning."You know that he is loosing this debate when people like my brother and the White House start attacking hard working tax paying citizens as mobsters, and when Nancy Pelosi calls them un-American."
"The same government that can't get water to thirsty people in a hurricane will destroy the best health care system in the world by complete government take over," Dallas added.
But Brad didn't hold back on his younger brother.
"You can't have an honest debate with folks like my brother on this issue," he said. "I mean no one has proposed, the president has been the last person to propose a government take over of health care. He said we need to build on the current system."
It's not what the President "says" anymore. The President has an agenda. If you examine what he "said" during his campaigns, both for the nomination and ultimately for the general election, he clearly "says" one thing and then progresses towards something entirely more intensive or different altogether.
People out there who defend the president by reiterating that the bill doesn't "say" private healthcare will be a thing of the past - you need to open your eyes and think along the obvious path to where healthcare will evolve once special treatment is given to the public option and business owners will be forced to turn to the less-costly option.
This legislation is the death of the perfectly successful solution we have today.
That Dallas was a snide, self-satisfied dittohead. I watched this spot this morning and felt not only dumber for having listened to that childish, misinformed loon berate his brother (despite Brad being soft-spoken and simply trying to state his position), but also nauseaus. Dallas exemplified what the rest of us are dealing with: confronted with facts, information, empirical evidence, logic and reason, he resorted to talking over his brother and spouting irrational mischaracterizations based on ideological assumptions. In short, he simply sat there and insisted that reality must obey his ideology instead of accepting that reality has brought his ideology into serious doubt.
Jealous of your brother's success and intelligence much Dallas?
A fundamental difference in the current administration vs. the former's is demonstrated here. In the former, there was no disturbance, because if you had a differing view, you wouldn't have been permitted into the "town hall" meeting to begin with. As those disturbing this event used to say "if you don't like it America, why don't you leave it!" For this group I would suggest a nice conservative country, say Iran?
"The same government that can't get water to thirsty people in a hurricane will destroy the best health care system in the world by complete government take over,"
Nope, not the same government. That government was the Bush administration that has been seriously repudiated by the voters for destroying our values.
This government has been fixing the mess that the last administration left behind. Thank you.
Once health care gets through in any form we will be unable to get rid of it. At that time it will be easier for the President and his admin to change the system to a government take over. They just need the first toe hold. The President may be saying that he doesn't want a take over but that is just lip service to begin the process.
Health Care reform opponents have just gone off the deep end and we have the media like CNN to thank... The Corporate media REFUSES to point out the LIES and mis-information being thrown around by the wing-nuts... It's all lies...
There is NO government take over – you want to keep getting screwed by the insurance comapanies – you can! It's your option...
The American people support this plan – almost every poll shows the American people support Obama over the GOP on this issue, but CNN and the others NEVER stand up to some GOP talking head who claims otherwise...
The fact of the matter is, the media isn't doing it's job and it is letting the nuts take over the asylum!
"American for Prosperity" . What a disingenuous name for a group that wants to finish off the middle class wealth by giving it to wall street and insurance executives. These guys really are like some kind of parasite. Every bit as bad if not worse than the image of lazy welfare recipients that they try to imply, to scare hard working citizens into allowing their officials to ride rough shod over any protection at all for the middle class. Some day it will only be desparately poor and failed execs (being rich yourself while your company fails at it's purpose does NOT mean you are a success) and of course a third rate government providing third rate services for a third world country. I don't know whether to weep or go a town hall and brawl.
If reform fails and their is a God... all these idiots on the right will be the first ones thrown off their insurance plans when they get sick... Watch what you ask for all you un-informed Tea Baggers! I hope you get it!!!
If the government isn't planning on taking over the system, what do they need 1,200 pages of legislation for? Here's the plan in a nutshell: The government dictates what coverage must be offered and at what price. If you can't afford it or don't want to pay for a private plan you can take the public option. Five years from now the public options become federal options. The public option will cost less (because it is subsidized by tax money) and doctors will be mandated to take it. Every consumer will be on the public plan eventually and every doctor will have to take it immediately.
That, my friends, is how you take a socialist program and get average people to buy into it. The problem is, we can see through this carefully thought out approach and the result is more socialism. Americans don't like socialism.
Oh whatever . . .
I have seen enough nonsense on this issue to last a lifetime. I am quite sure that the health industry has spent the past two weeks in party mode filled with chuckles, giggles, and gleeful back patting.
How utterly ridiculous CNN reporting has become.
The same government that can't get water to thirsty people in a hurricane will destroy the best health care system in the world by complete government take over," Dallas added.
No, that was the old government. "Looser"
I watched this morning and my feeling was Dallas just wants to defeat President Obama and had no real solutions to the current health care system. I'm not sure what poll he is looking at but I believe something needs to be done. Now what has to be done that I'm not sure of and obviously neither is Dallas. Good luck with all this! I hate seeing our country so angry it looks so bad.
Can't wait until I'm Euthanasia Czar...Dallas is first on the list...well, after Cheney that is.
Obama and the democrats will push private insurance to the wayside. If the people let them. To think otherwise is naive.
And monetary savings? Show me first with medicare and medicaid.
As a Republican, I am tired of people saying the USA is number 1 in health care. We are ranked 37th in the world. We need to fix this system, we just have to find the best way. The insurance companys need a set of rules to follow just like the car insurance industry. I think a strong set of minimal coverages that are required is a good idea and no one can drop you when you are sick. The other option is to make health care non profit. No one should make money by saying no to sick people that pay their taxes. Also, you must pay US taxes to collect any benefits.
Realistically, how do liberals expect private insurance companies to compete with an entity that does not play by the same rules? The government runs trillions in deficit, prints money when it runs out, and has a captured income base (the taxpaying citizen). Anyone who refuses to admit that the government will put the private insurance companies out of business needs to take their head out of the sand. Don't believe they won't just because your idol says they won't – use some common sense!
Anyone with any form of Intelligence knows by now that This President is a Cronic LIAR! He cannot help it, it is the "Chicago Way" ! Sure all the "bleeding heart Liberals" would like for our tax dollars to go toward every wacky agenda they come up with......you can dress up all the homeless, give all the lazy non-working, welfare recipient, bums all the handouts you want and they will gladly take it and then go right back to the "pig-pen" life they enjoy!
The republicans won't be happy until somebody is injured. What a shameful day for America. Advocates of violence, Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Fox noise and all of their ignorant servants. A new religion is born, let's see who will be the republicans messiah, probably Limbaugh, consistent with the mentality of the far right.
The saddest thing about this whole debate, is that so many of the angry people have been misinformed by Representatives, Senators, and News media that they trust to give them correct information.
These goons telling flat-out lies about the proposals for health care reform, like this Dallas idiot, are miserable scum. May they lose (by the way, CNN, the word is "losing," not "loosing") their health insurance and/or suffer financial disaster.
It is pathetic, immoral and downright un-American that quality health care for a family depends on the current WHIM of the parent's employer. Loss of a job, or the occurence of a serious health problem (think it can't or won't happen to you or yours???? .... Think again) can lead to financial collapse, loss of access to quality care, illness and death.
SHAME ON ANYONE OPPOSED TO REAL REFORM OF OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, AND ON THE "PROTESTORS" IN PARTICULAR.
People want health care improvements, not turn the health care system upside down. It's obvious that most of the dissent of this plan is coming from older Americans, specifically those currently receiving medicare. Why? Could it be because medicare funds will be used to offset the 47 million who will now be getting health care? (500 million proposed in medicare cuts). Where else will the money come from? They don't want to tax the middle class or tax the benefits of people who currently have health care. So where will the money come from? I think these people are genuinely scared that they will be the ones who care will be denied to when push comes to shove. If it was me, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs as well. I'm a moderate democrat, but I think this issue transforms politics and is very personal to everyone.
The gov't that could'nt get water to hurricane victims was a REPUBLICAN gov't. Huge difference. Pres. Obama cares. Shrub and Cheney not at all!! The last thing Barack is proposing is a gov't takeover of healthcare. The system is on a serious decline, it needs to be REFORMED thus healthcare REFORM.
At least they did'nt come to blows, or find the need to SHIP "SUPPORTERS" IN!
That's the problem. The only plan the republicans can come up with is oppose whatever the democrats come up with.
It’s good to see that a family is able to have different views/outlooks on a situation. I don’t understand why those opposed to the bill have to take such drastic (sometimes violent or hostile measures) to have their voices heard? I remember the Civil Rights movement… it was a nonviolent approach to having your voice heard. No one takes radicals seriously.
What a stupid statement by Dallas which affirms some people are just plain brain dead. Hurricanes are periodic occurances and healthcare coverage is needed over a lifetime.