August 11, 2009
Posted: August 11th, 2009 01:35 PM ET
The House of Representatives is dropping a plan to make the Pentagon buy more civilian-style jets than it requested.
The House of Representatives is dropping a plan to make the Pentagon buy more civilian-style jets than it requested.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Under criticism for appearing extravagant, the House of Representatives is dropping a plan to make the Pentagon buy more civilian-style jets than it requested.

A statement released by Rep. John Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, appeared to end the controversy over the addition of four planes in the House military appropriations bill to the Pentagon's original request of four to upgrade its aging fleet of aircraft used to transport Washington officials, including members of Congress.

The Pentagon wanted a C-37 Gulfstream jet and three C-40 military versions of the Boeing 737. The House added two C-37s and two C-40s at a cost of more than $270 million.

Dropping the proposal doesn't save money, as the total funding provided by the bill remains unchanged. It means the money that would have been used to pay for the extra planes will go to other purposes.

But some members of Congress from both parties criticized the plan to buy the additional planes, saying it created the perception of spending extravagance by Congress. The Gulfstreams would be similar to private jets used by corporate executives, they noted.

Murtha's statement Monday night defended the plan, but said the additional aircraft will be dropped from the spending measure.

"These aircraft will not increase the overall passenger aircraft fleet, but instead will replace older aircraft that have both safety and maintenance issues," said Murtha, chairman of House defense appropriations subcommittee. "In addition, these newer model aircraft cost significantly less to operate than the current aircraft."

His statement concluded by yielding to the Pentagon's wishes, saying, "If the Department of Defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated from the bill."

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Willy Brown   August 11th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

Let them fly coach like the rest of the legal tax paying americians!

Doug, New Jersey   August 11th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

They won't get the jets, but the money is still being spent. It is obvious that the funds will now be allocated to further Pelosi lib botox injections

Peter   August 11th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

Does the general public realize that the aerospace industry in the USA is a major industry, employing thousands of people? Do your homework before criticizing something you don't understand. Let's not put the aerospace industry in the same condition as the auto industry.

Kate in SW Fla   August 11th, 2009 4:17 pm ET

They just need to start spending less. This congress, Republicans as well as Democrats, want to fund F-22s that the Pentagon said it DOES NOT WANT! I believe that the Pentagon should get to decide if they ened those planes or would rather use taxpaayer money for something thay can use in the 21st Century!!!!

All Good Things   August 11th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

Good. Money well (not) spent!

Juan   August 11th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

The reason they won't fly commercial is the same reason they don't want to be covered by the goverment health plan they are trying to run down our throats is they think their special. Start voting these a holes out in 2010.

Recall   August 11th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

We need to start recalling the represenatives that are making fools of themselves, and wasting the future of this country.

KLJ   August 11th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

How come the representative or representatives have not been indentified?

makesUwonder   August 11th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

Oh these poor poor people. To think they might just have to live and travel like the rest of us peasants!

Johnny C (Los Angeles)   August 11th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

Still preposterous ... isn't this the same gang that told the Auto BIG 3 to fly commercial or drive to the Senate hearings?

Not only should they scrub the 4 additional planes, they should scrub the original 4 and sell their existing fleet.

It's amazing how they can grill the auto execs for spending shareholder money for their planes, yet, congress can spend the tax payers dollars on new and existing infrastructure and feel that they are entitled ... great example Mr. Murtha.

Let them walk to work!

Carolyn   August 11th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

If these clowns are so worried about the safety of their current private jets, they can ride commercial coach like the rest of us are forced to do. A few hours with screaming babies, surly attendants, $6.00 drinks, and, oh my, Baggage Charges if you'd like clean clothes when you finally get there (late), might bring these elected-by-us elitists back to the real world most of us inhabit. GET REAL.

Deep South Independent   August 11th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

Please note that the addition request for planes was spearheaded by the REPUBLICANS who represent GA, where the Gulfstream luxuary aricrafts are built by locals. It was a local pork barrel project, meant to stimulate the ecomony, by the government picking the winners in business, by choosing the company that contributed campaign $ to the REPUBLICANS!

For all of you who were bashing the democrats for this extra grab for taxpaper money, should open your eyes!

Christine   August 11th, 2009 4:05 pm ET

Four is still too many. Fly coach!

Steve   August 11th, 2009 4:05 pm ET

Sense GM/CHEVY will keep AMERICA rolling in our graves and our pockets...
Were do we the American stock holders of GM get to redeem my discount for my new VETTE? I have yet to see any new design concepts or talks of new designs for fuel efficient cars which scrape the surface of Toyota, Nissan or even some SUV Honda’s already have in production for about 12 years now. INDIA has a cost effective and fuel efficient truck which will be on the American market soon and will blow away any competition GM or Ford will be able to feebly create...
I want to sell my stocks!!!

MatthewDetroit   August 11th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

EVERYONE needs to get off the DEM VS. REP. Bandwagon.

This is the US Citizen and the Constitution vs. our FAT AND HAPPY leaders on the hill and in ANY whitehouse.

They all spend our money.
They are accountable to no one.
They tell us what and where they will spend.
They LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, and get endited.
It is time to stop these dirtbag politicians.
THEY NEED TO TAKE A 25% PAY CUT TODAY.
THEY NEED TO CUT SPENDING.
THEY NEED TO CUT THEIR STAFFS.
WE NEED TO SHRINK GOVERMENT.
WE NEED TO TAKE THE TAX DOLLARS AWAY FROM THEM.
WE NEED A FLAT TAX AND STOP ALL THIS SPENDING.

Butch   August 11th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

Sounds like Congressional members are no different that members of Wall Street. I'll vomit if I hear one more idealogue in D.C. preach about fiscal ethics.

Ren from Baltimore   August 11th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

Wow, the Pentagon has had its way first with the F-22 and now these executive jets-way to go, Generals! And Congress-thank you for "getting it" finally. These are dangerous times, and I'm glad you listened.

Patsy Hodges   August 11th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

So, they dumped the four planes, but will keep the money !
What does "other means" entail? First-class tickets? How
about putting the money back and using it in a way they can be
up front about. You know, its called DISCLOSURE!

Fort Lauderdale   August 11th, 2009 3:54 pm ET

All these "green" advocates of public transportation should take the railroad and the subway.

Jaybird   August 11th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

We need to match up who wanted these jets with the Congressional weasels who slammed corporate executives in those hearing in January or February for flying private. I bet there is some crossover.

Deep Throat   August 11th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

About time a Democrat came to his senses.

Mike in MN   August 11th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

They never should have had the gull to purchase them in the first place. The only way to stop this kind of thing is for Americans to pay attention and play the watch dog roll. Congress has gotten used to thinking no one is watching. They tell us what they think we want to hear and pretend that they are being responsible with tax payers money. If no one is watching they get away with it. The Devil is in the details whether it is the stimulus bill or the annual budget or CAP and trade or health care reform or anything else. The only protection we have it to dig into what the bills really say, no matter how many thousands of pages they are.

Captain   August 11th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Buy the airplane.. keep the pilots flying so that they can afford health care.

cp1   August 11th, 2009 3:46 pm ET

Buying planes will not make them cheaper to fly if uadd in the cost of the planes... Use the money for better housing/services for the soldiers... or hey pay off a bit of debt

Randy   August 11th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Is this the same congress that crucified corporate executives for using a private plane to fly to Washington? I guess they're just too important to fly the way they want CEOs of huge corporations to fly. Must be nice to be a member of the House responsible to mere thousands of consituents in just one district.

Pragmatic   August 11th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

Question: would buying the airplanes keep people working or is everyone in favor of a leaner budget? No easy answers. Keep buying American whenever you can.

What?   August 11th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

The HoR was going to MAKE the Pentagon buy more stuff? What in the world is going on in Congress these days?

DJ in the Silicon Forest   August 11th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

Hmmm...ya think? That's just the rub...they WEREN'T thinking. I believe the jackals in DC have egos the size of Jupiter!!!! Only when their survival is threatened do they shift into gear to save their skin. Otherwise it's the same ol' BS! This reminds me a quote many, many years ago by Claude Pepper...."The mistake a lot of politicians make is in forgetting they've been appointed and thinking they've been anointed"! That pretty much sums it up these days!

Erwin Gentry   August 11th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Our so called representative should have to fly on commercial aircraft just like anybody else in this country.
There is no reason in the world why they should garner any special consideration.
They should also pay for their own airfare and quit screwing the tax payers out of our hard earned money while thay go on frivolous junkets all over the world.
If they need to go some place then let them fly Southwest Airlines.

Tom Paine   August 11th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

"Appearing extravagant?" How about IT IS EXTRAVAGANT. Talk about NOT getting it.

Pelosi is a true Gump-style wonder.

Jon in CA   August 11th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Pelosi – Murtha – Hoyer – Reid – Specter – Dodd – Obama.....

Democrats SURE to lose their next re-election bids. Controlling the House, Senate, and White House, they lowered their masks and went hell-bent on a reckless spending spree.

Conservatives and Independents will throw you out!

Enough   August 11th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

Did the light bulb finally go off and they figured out this wasn't such a good idea in the middle of a recession?

rhoward   August 11th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

Considering the miserable job most of these clowns are doing, they ought to have to fly economy class like people in the real world do.

Ray   August 11th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

I WANT a jet. It's a matter of need. Now is not a good time to purchase items that are not needed. This isn't business as usual at my house or work and it shouldn't be for OUR government!!! To have a person like Murtha say "if the DOD doesn't want it" tells me some are not feeling the same cutbacks I feel daily!!! Very frustrating to hear. Unfortunately I'm sure it won't be the last excessive spending done by OUR government. They can't help themselves.

Troy   August 11th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

Words cannot describe the anger that I feel right now. I hope all Americans pursue this issue with their elected representatives, and if if they discover those elected representatives still defend this purchase, that they take action at the polls during elections. Do not forget what this Murtha guy says. No matter now you slice it, there is no defense of this additional cost when government criticizes private companies, who have no obligation answering to the thugs in Washington, over their use of private aircraft. I also have to wonder why Rep. Murtha thinks he knows better than the Pentagon to give them more than they asked for. Is he some kind of expert beyond the skills of those people at the Pentagon who are doing their job? Something is fishy here. His leather seat on one of the aircraft must be worn out from his fat.....

jon   August 11th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

Yes, thanks to cable news organizations, including CNN and FOX, people have been informed and reacted. Washington got the message from the people is serves, no additional jets.

Now, why is it that cable news organizations would be to blame if Health care doesn't pass?

Karen   August 11th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

I'd still like to see our elected officials using the same planes, buses and trains we're forced to use squished next to someone else. This all seems way too extravagant still.

katiec   August 11th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

I still would like to know what politicians and state they represent
inserted the request for additional planes.
Others are old and need maintainence? Well, welcome to what
middle class America has to contend with every day.

Bedtime for Obonzo   August 11th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

Good. These jokers were tone-deaf to the public until the Wall Street Journal exposed the farce.

PowerCorrupted   August 11th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

So let me get this straight.

The scumbags get caught sneaking in more bling toys to live the high life, so they shamefacedly say they are not gonna buy they planes.

"Dropping the proposal doesn't save money, as the total funding provided by the bill remains unchanged."

But the money doesnt change, freeing up another $270 million tax payer dollars to vanish into the black hole that has swallowed American prosperity. How many black projects will this fund?

When will we wake up and demand better?

Steve, Columbia SC   August 11th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Murtha doesn't get it..................STOP SPENDING OUR TAX MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE.

Next time, fly coach like the real world does.

Brian   August 11th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

not really concerned with the "safety" of the "older" congressional airplanes, just the price of the new ones.

Rob   August 11th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Awwww, poor wittle Nancy doesn't get her new pwane. Boo hooo!

They based the automaker CEO's for taking private planes, they shouldn't get them either. From their perks, to the planes, to healthcare, Pelosi and her goons are showing that what is apparently good for all other Americans is beneath them.

Way to lead by example!

Shadysider   August 11th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

The extra planes may have been a good thing. Then our elected representatives wouldn't feel beholden to special interests who make sure they fly first class.

Scott   August 11th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Fly coach, none of you are that important.

G200   August 11th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that the aircraft are built in Israel, flown 'green' to the U.S., and then completed. Not much of the money spent stays in the US.

Truth-Bomb Thrower   August 11th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

Oh, they'll pass on them alright........for now. They'll sneak them in some way, when no one is looking or everyone is distracted by something else.

Is there some reason why congressmen can't fly economy class like the rest of us? Is there some reason why they couldn't make intelligent decisions without going globetrotting around the world when they could just pick up a phone or type an email? Of course not. They're parasites and scoundrels living like royalty off the rest of us!

luis   August 11th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

John Murtha is one of the biggest thieves in the government.
I wouldn't trust this guy to buy 4 scooters.

Bob in Pa   August 11th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

Hey Murtha, then stand up and tell everyone exactly what the cost savings are and how long the payback period is in which these jets would pay for themselves.

My guess is no one ever did that analysis.

Johnny B   August 11th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

Not the right time to be wasting taxpayer dollars, so that members of congress can avoid flying coach. Why are congressional leaders so important again?

Proud Member..Party of No   August 11th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

Murtha said "If the Department of Defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated from the bill."
___________________________________________________

Why didn't you talk to them BEFORE you put it in the bill, you incompetent fool? And, of course, the answer is that the democrats tried to sneak it through buried in the bill. Wake up, America. Vote the lying, thieving democrats out of office.

Tony83702   August 11th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

It would be nice if these $$$ saved would help increase the paychecks for the enlisted men, but I fear they will be used to enhance the subsized menu at the Generals/Admirals private dining rooms in the Pentagon or some other extravagant perq for the top brass..

GI Joe   August 11th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

Good – those Republican Congressmen from Georgia that tried to push this thru for the State of Georgia Contracts have been put in their place.

Georgia – vote them out.

Ajay Jain, Garland, TX, USA   August 11th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Murtha should be ousted from the Congress for all his ambtious stands he has taken!

mobster   August 11th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

About time they practice what their shoving down our throats.Wonder if pelosi is going to take the bus now.

Phil, CA   August 11th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Nice attempt to apply a smoke-screen here. Sorry, no dice. How about coming clean with the rest of the nation by sharing the same financial woes as the public? Why do these self-indulgent swines think they deserve these private jets to begin with? Seeing how they breath the same air we do, and drink the same water we do (maybe not, they probably have a bottomless bottle of Perrier at their disposal as well), why can't they take commercial flights like the rest of mainstream America so they can see what it is like 'down here.' Since when does the United States of America have 'royalty' that looks down at the peasants? Why can't they be forced to fly coach, stand in line, take off their shoes, empty their pockets, and otherwise be humiliated like the rest of us when flying anywhere? This whole ordeal just isn't right. Wastefyl spending needs to stop starting at the top. Seems they forget who is serving who in this country. During my Naval career not once was a First Class ticket purhased for by the Gov't to travel on official orders. Wash DC is so full of contradictions it is so disheartening.

jason, montana   August 11th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

It wouldn't "create the perception of spending extravagance by Congress", it would just perpetuate it.

Paul from Phoenix   August 11th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

These guys think they are playing with monopoly money. Congress should be ashamed of itself.

Chris H   August 11th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

What's wrong with commercial airlines? Can't members of the House stand in line and go through security like the rest of the tax-paying public?

Michael Hsu   August 11th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

These congresscritters still don't get it – even 4 aircrafts is too much to spend for the current deficit government. Let them drive to Washington DC. That;'s what I'd do to save costs. It's too easy to spend other people's money – let them buy their own jets with their own pocket cash if they really want to fly.

Bubba   August 11th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

Remember, I got no dog in this fight. I already said I don't know if it's smart or not. But when you drop some senator in the ocean next year, don't blame me.

donttreadonme   August 11th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

You can’t bash the auto-executives for flying in private jets to discuss the bail outs. When our own members of Congress are proposing similar arrangements while our country is also Bankrupt!

Dumb libs/dems.

MT   August 11th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

Look at how much we saved in maintenance by not spending 500 million! Safety issues my ass, if it was safety the planes would/should be grounded regardless of the "expense". Just think about how much more you elected "Representatives" could save by teleconferencing, taking commercial flights, and using technologies already in place, rather than flying in/out on weekends.

We have allowed these representatives to get wealthy off of their constituents hard work.

This form of government was not created to line the pockets of delegates. If you "need" a couple hundred thousand a year salary, expense accounts, meals on the hill, private jets and a car service to "get by" in your service for the people then maybe your not tuned in to how your constituents are fairing in this economy.

Tighten it up! Republicans and Democrats, you have work to do, roll up your sleeves and get after it.

Roxie Southern Oregon   August 11th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Maybe they should call up AIG and borrow one of theirs, afterall the taxpayers own them.

Fed Up   August 11th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

Oh cry me a river Murtha!! These arrogant fools are constantly wasting OUR hard earned dollars. If they gave a hoot about global warming they would be flying commercial and not adding to the so called problem..........but that is for the little people, not them.

Kater   August 11th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

Why is it okay for the Pentagon to get four new executive aircraft to fly its generals and their wives around, but not okay for Congress to ask for planes not just for themselves but for the executive branch's use as well?

barrystash   August 11th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

Murtha is under investigation and probably will go to jail, so I believe him as much as I would any other Obamaton.

What has happened here is that the congressional Obamatons have proposed these six planes knowing the people would object. So when congress backs down the Obamatons think "gee....our royal rulers are sacrificing so much by giving up these planes we will agree to let congress rape our health care". That is all this is about.

Pat F   August 11th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

The Wall Street Journal made the Democratic Congress say "Uncle"! The WSJ ALONE broke this story. The WSJ is the ONE source of journalism in this country. Every other paper and outlet are just yes-men and propaganda tools.

If you want the truth, get the Journal.

We Have "Death Panels". They're Called Insurance Company Bureaucrats   August 11th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

Watching Sen. McCaskill's town hall meeting, it is clear that we need to euthanize stupid RebirtherTea party members

Mike T.   August 11th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

Maybe congress should quit flying on private jets and fly on our airlines, they need the revenue and keep our costs down.

If our politicians had to live a few years in our shoes, they would understand how tough it is (no pensions, healthcare that covers everything, expense accounts, etc...)

Think before you spend my money!

kishen c.rao   August 11th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

let these selfish guys take bus...greyhound...we have in greenville..nc..ok...let them ride train...and ask for a train-ride from wilson..i will give...ok...

RR   August 11th, 2009 2:54 pm ET

Murtha is the biggest waster of tax dollars in the country. he needs to go!

Hotdog   August 11th, 2009 2:54 pm ET

The idea of purchasing air planes for the members of Congress makes no sense. They should go through same security procedures, wait in line and on the tar mac just like the people they serve. It just goes to show the true character of some of the people that we have elected to serve the American people. It makes me angry to no end when I read things like this. More than half of the people in Congress do not have the best interest for the people that they represent.

illinoistom   August 11th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

I hope that CNN's expert on teabagging, Anderson Cooper, takes note that private citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights are beginning to get the attention of the political class. Keep the pressure on, we can save this country yet!

LIP   August 11th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Leave it to Murtha to defend this bit of hypocrisy.
Wasn't it Murtha's bunch that degraded Bush for so called torture and thougtht it was wrong to target leaders for assasination? Meanwhile, under the Democrats, it is appartenlty okay to do so now that they are in power. Last week, the wife of one of the Taliban leaders was killed in an assasination attempt on her husband and just a few days ago, the most prominent Taliban leader was assasinated.
So, does this mean that under the current circumstances, it is now justified, based on what this administration approves, based on what their lawyers say is okay, based on their interpretation of the Constitution?

Joe   August 11th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

The best things the DEMs' white house and congress can do for America are to spread the wealth around and put their hands in your pockets to spend taxpayers' future tax dollars down the road.

Matt   August 11th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

The fact that members of congress could even conceive of such an idea during the current economic condition speaks volumes about Washington's disconnection from every day Americans. It's no surprise that a guy like Murtha would defend the plan. He's as corrupt as they come.

Patrick Dool   August 11th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

Who was the idiot (or idots) in the House who even suggested such an outrageous purchase at this time? These are the types of individuals who we DO NOT need or want representing the will of the American people. If any of our elected representatives want to fly, there are a variety of airlines serving U.S. and International destinations that also have top notch security. There is no justifiable reason for Congress to have its own fleet of corporate jets. At last check, our elected officials are in Washington to serve the people not their own special interests.

Hannah Stevens   August 11th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

I should certainly think so.What were they thinking of?

don corpier   August 11th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

how dare these morons in congress try and slip through several hundred million dollars to buy comfort transportation for themselves. ride coach like the rest of the public does. these same people lower the hammer on car execs. for doing the same thing. at least they were not spending tax payer dollars. there is not one member of congress that can justify flying around in a luxury jet. this type of behavior is absolutely disgusting. congress wonders why the american people are fed up with them. i just lost my health benefits and about to lose half my pension. what is wrong with this picture. they go on there little boon dogles, stay at luxury hotels, eat and drink very expensively and fly on luxury jets at tax payer expense. the american people have about had it with these parasites.

Phat Elvis   August 11th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

And Congress wonders why they are so unpopular.

Dems and Repubs alike, they need to get their heads straight on how taxpayer money is spent.

Democrati Ignorati   August 11th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

"Dropping the proposal doesn't save money, as the total funding provided by the bill remains unchanged. It means the money that would have been used to pay for the extra planes will go to other purposes."

Well....what's the point of that? Spending extravagantly is still being extravagant. It doesn't matter if you are buying the planes or not. If Congress is not moving forward wit hthe purchase of the four additional planes, then strip the money out of the bill.

JAY   August 11th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

Murtha and Pelosi tried to go through the backdoor again and got
caught.

Kyle   August 11th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

Someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Respect   August 11th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

I did that to someone who was spouting off at the mouth and saying the talking points. When I treated them like the child he was, he made himself look stupid. As he was!

Respect   August 11th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

At these town halls meetings. They should start questioning the answers the people are giving so they can prove these people have no clue what they are asking. They are only taking talking points.

This is unconstitutional! How is this unconsitituional? Where is it stated in the constitution and what article of the constitution are you referring too? How is this socialism? What is the definition of socialism? Where is it stated in the proposed bill that we will do that?

RealityKing   August 11th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

They progressively belittle private corporation for using jets and yet can only see their own waste when confronted head on. Change you can believe in..

moo232   August 11th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Wow!! Private jets to ferry Members of Congress around. It's amazing how just a few short months ago Congress blasted the CEOs of Ford, GM and Chrysler for flying to Washington on corporate jets to ask for a bailout. Now, in their infinite wisdom, Congress has no qualms about spending taxpayer money for the very same perk. Do the members of Congress think the American people are stupid? Its high time we held our elected officials accountable for their actions. I am tired of these people lining their pockets with privlidge and perks on the back of the hard working public.

GP   August 11th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Let the corporations pay for these jets. After all, our elected officials spend more time protecting corporate interests than us regular citizens.

Jim   August 11th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Why is it that these idiotic Democrats idiots in the Congress even THINK of wasting our money this way. It's just another example of the total lack of good judgment. And its another reason why we need to get rid of this lack of integrity and lack of just good, common sense. Our opportunity is coming up, America. Let's make 2010 the year of SENSIBLE CHANGE – NOT the kind of change we've seen with Obama!!

Chris in MI   August 11th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

Why do these representatives think they are not expendable? Fly commercial and take your chances like the people who elected you!! $270 million could help alot of people in this country! You really have nerve!

Louis   August 11th, 2009 2:35 pm ET

WAKE UP AMERICANS–The people who are proposing to fix the economy are the same people who created this disaster. Both Democrats and Republicans are owned by special interest groups–just look at the current state of our nation and realize that both parties are equally wasteful and incompetent.

Shari, NY   August 11th, 2009 2:34 pm ET

I am not for extravagance especially at this time but I cannot help but wonder how much it will cost to maintain the flying “clunkers” that will continue to serve. Sometimes maintenance and repair end of costing more than buying new machinery. In adition, I for one would not fly on an old silver bird. No way!

Operation Crush Rush   August 11th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

We need these planes to save fuel and keep people working.Keep up the great work crushers,Rush wants to test his healthcare and report back to us.Hes about to blow a fuse.hahaha

Vicky from Milwaukee   August 11th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Could it be that they're finally getting it?

jrzshor   August 11th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

i guess that the old private jets will just have to do!

Aaron   August 11th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

What? Politicians are hypocrites? Color me shocked.

Lauren   August 11th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

I think the money should be spent on health care reform.

Karen   August 11th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

Maybe for once they listened to the outrage of the people! What a novel idea!!!
We're in a recession Congress, live like we have to.

Jason   August 11th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

Good. The Pentagon can spend that money on prosthetics and PTSD research.

Mike TX   August 11th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

Wow, way to tighten your belt buckles lads.

conservative   August 11th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

But,But, Pelosi desparately wants one!

Randolph Carter   August 11th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

Wasteful spending faced the death panel! You betcha! Have a nice day!

Darth Vadik, CA   August 11th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

BY all means buy them, just give me a job flying them, he he he.

Ken   August 11th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

It is about time that those in Congress wake up and listen to the American people.

I only see that the Democrats just want to spend money that we don't have! It is time for our federal government to operate with a balanced budget. The American people have to live within their means, so whay can't our government do the same?

Naomi   August 11th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

good! Now we can reform healthcare!

mjm   August 11th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

If they made the right decisions in the first place they wouldn't have to back off all the time.

Independent Again   August 11th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

So they thought they could slip it in there and no one would noticed! Wow!! Just goes to show how much the Dems care that the American people are hurting.

Thanks America for the new culture of corruption!

d1120   August 11th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

"If the Department of Defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated from the bill."

It must have killed him to say that.

Steve (the real one)   August 11th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

Serious question
Why can't Congress do what is right without being forced to by bad publicity? Just do what's right and you will get re-elected! It's just that simple! If you stay on your current path, then start looking for a new line of work!

Bette Childress   August 11th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

Yesss!!!

Buffalo   August 11th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

But congressmen and women still get to fly first class on commercial aircraft, still get tremendous pay, still get an abundance of vacation time, still get obsurd retirement packages and still get the best health care in the world, all for free, right? Whew, for a second, I was afraid our elected officials might have to step down to our level for a change.

mike   August 11th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

Yet another reason why Congress approval rating is at 30%.

The Voice   August 11th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

These old people have been brain washed by the conservative special interest that want to the status quo to continue. America voted voted for change..now lets move and push healthcare reform!!

Bea   August 11th, 2009 2:08 pm ET

We do not need new airplanes – everybody should take the commercial flights – that will put money into the economy and maybe they will stop charging us all the extra fees for luggage. I am glad to live out of the US – at least I can take a little present to my grandchildren without having to pay more than it would cost to use the US postal service. And come to think ofit – nothing is that far – get a new fuel efficient car and drive your VIP's to where you want to go. They may enjoy our countryside.
Only 3 people in our government should have the privilege – that is our President, the Vice President and the Secretary of State.
With other words – stop spending money we do not have.

Pepou   August 11th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

Washington officials ? they can walk can they?

Mississippi Mike   August 11th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

Forgive me for not feeling sorry for Mr. Murtha. Getting only 4 new jets instead of 8 must make him feel really sad but the rest of us can't even afford to fly on one of the discount airlines right now. Maybe our legislators should be forced to fly coach during the off-hours like the rest of us.

Sam Sixpack   August 11th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

What the heck? We can pay for it with Obama's “Independent Medicare Advisory Council."

It will save us lots of money by systematically denying coverage to leaches like the sick, the elderly and the disabled.

Check out "Independent Medicare Advisory Council” for yourself!

T'SAH from Virginia   August 11th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

There is NO CASH for airplane CLUNKERS!!! LOL

Dave   August 11th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

The arrogance and hypocisy of some Congressman let by Murtha is just amazing. The incredible thing is that dropping the proposal won't save money since it has already been appropriated. I guess Mr. Murtha and colleagues will find something else to waste the money on. And these are the people that will be in charge of finding fraud and waste in the current Medicare system and to oversee how well a Nancy Pelosi type health care system will spend taxpayers money efficiently. I wish they had a clue as to why people are so upset at the town hall meetings.

single mom   August 11th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Okay, it's a bit of progress. They realized that the American people are tired of all the spending without thinking or even reading a bill.

ASTROTURF THIS   August 11th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

GOOD! Poor Nancy won't have her fancy jet to fly around on....she probably will anyway though, bumping the air force to get it.

Now if Obama would just hold an HONEST debate with Americans on healthcare insteac of FAKE TOWN HALL meetings with hand-picked audience of supporters...What an INSULT to our intelligence this town hall was.

Washington has gotten so greedy .....they are SO outta there next election.

T'SAH from Virginia   August 11th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

They better SCRAP that CRAP!!! It's about HEALTH CARE and the ECONOMY stupid!!!

gt   August 11th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

ya think...... these spend-a hollics need to be stop !!! give one check mark to the people...

Keith in Austin   August 11th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

Obviously, these Congressional thieves got caught with their hands in the cookie jar again! (Our tax dollars) Vote them out starting in 210

Jill   August 11th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Murtha is the best example out there of what is wrong with this country. He uses taxpayer money like his own treasure chest with no regard to anyone or future generations. He has plenty of company in the Democratic & Republian Party – vote them out.

RDS   August 11th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Thank You b/c that was a dumb idea no matter what party you are with.

MatthewDetroit   August 11th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

OH NO KIDDING.

So when Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama ripped the automotive companies for flying to DC on private jets that was bad.
BUT, when congress wants private jets it is okay.

Sorry FOLKS. YOUR TIME IS UP.
THIS IS MORE PROOF THAT ALL OF CONGRESS IS TOO FAT AND TOO HAPPY and it starts with PELOSI.

Double standard. AMERICA has to make cuts. Oh it will be tough for Americans. As dummy Barack says, we all have to cut.
BUT NO CONGRESS IS HAVING TOO MUCH FUN.

CUT SPENDING YOU BUMS AND CUT IT NOW.

Kick the bums out   August 11th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

Sounds like America is getting through to these elitist.

Melissa   August 11th, 2009 1:39 pm ET

Good. They shouldn't have started it in the first place.

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