November 4, 2009
Posted: November 4th, 2009 01:33 PM ET
Democrats and Republicans in the House are both crafting their versions of health care reform legislation.
Democrats and Republicans in the House are both crafting their versions of health care reform legislation.

Washington (CNN) - House Democratic leaders have put the finishing touches on their health care bill, setting the stage for bringing the measure to the full chamber as soon as Friday.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the chamber's second-ranking Democrat, said Wednesday the bill would probably come to a final vote on Saturday.

A 42-page manager's amendment posted Tuesday night made mostly technical changes in the nearly 2,000-page health care bill compiled from three Democratic proposals passed by three House committees.

By making the changes public on Tuesday, the House Democratic leaders could open debate on the bill on Friday or Saturday, while fulfilling their pledge to allow 72 hours of review before bringing the measure to the full chamber.

Meanwhile, House Republicans have offered their first version of a health care bill that compiles a series of individual proposals repeatedly pushed in recent months by the chamber's GOP leaders.

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– CNN's Dana Bash, Lisa Desjardins, Deirdre Walsh and Ted Barrett contributed to this story.

Filed under: Health care • House


Gary Jaussaud   November 4th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

Gary's comment is:

The voices of the far right are getting louder and come to us more
often. People like LImbaugh, Hannity, and Beck and many GOP
members are saying now is the time to kill healthcare, called the
"Obamacare", what these folks never tell us is what ideas do they have, or are they all in the pockets of Insurance and pharmaceutical
companies, and want this country to suffer, some of us without health
care and hard working people that need better treatment.

I guess the big and powerful will prevail, and the little guy gets the
dirty end of the stick again. Thanks guys!!!

Dar   November 4th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Give us our 72 hours as promised so we can call our state rep's and let them know how we feel about it. 2000 pages are alot to read and understand when it is coming from this crowd.
I still worry about the cost of this and how we are going to pay for it.
I do know that the owner of my company is used to making so much money and if he is taxed higher he will simply raise his salery to compensate for the loss. Good for him but bad for our profit share and 401 match. All said and done the middle class will pay for this some how some way. It may not be taxes but smaller raise's, profit share ect ect.
Why the Dems cant see this is beyond me.

Proud Member..Party of No   November 4th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

These democrats are a thick-headed bunch.....did they learn nothing from yesterday's elections?

R   November 4th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

As savvy as the health insurance companies are, why would anyone believe that they will be forced out of business because of a public option. You mean to tell me they are willing to compete to monoplize the industry but will fold under the pressure of sharing the stage with a public option. What a cop-out and weak position for the private insurance companies to take.

If private colleges decided to take that position, public colleges and universities would the the only institutions out there for students to choose from. Maybe the private colleges and universities should set down with the private insurance companies to show them how to compete in a competitive market.

S.B. Stein E.B. NJ   November 4th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Let's get it done. I don't mind there being a trigger or a public option. What I object to is that it took them this long in the first place. I hope that there are ways to cover every legal resident in the US. It could be through employment (yours or a spouce or parent) or through this program. People need to know that they can go to a doctor and afford it.

Ken Williams   November 4th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

O you mean the bill which was labeled the worst piece of legislation in history by the Wall St Journal?

jaye   November 4th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

Democrats that don't vote for a healthcare reform bill will not get re-elected. The republicans will regain the white house and finish blowing up the world.
So, which is more important to you....healthcare or blowing up the world through wars.
You decide.
I am for healthcare and NO MORE WARS!

Tim Pawlenty is a rump ranger   November 4th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

It would be nice to give Joe 'The Slime' Leiberman a taste of reality of the struggles of mainstream Americans.

Willy Brown   November 4th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

Th ehealth care bill is DOA.

Idiot_Pelosi   November 4th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

Let's see how many Democrats stand behind this piece of crap from Nancy Pelosi, vs offering something in the ballpark of being reasonable.

Nancy's crap will never fly because the Tax Payers footing the bill will revolt.

We're not paying anymore taxes or fees. Deal with it.

Johnny DC   November 4th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

The Democrats are the new Party of NO.... as in say NO to the good Republican ideas without even considering them for a second.

JDHAM   November 4th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

With all the pages you'd think this would take a few decades to debate. But since they don't read it, it should take about 4 minutes of Dems going duh! duh! and then the debate will be over.

P.Y. Los Angeles   November 4th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

Why floor debate and not public debate?
After all it's our money and our health.
If senate and congress is out of the plan(They have their own,paid by us) Why they think,that they are capable to decide:
Who,when and how mach ?

aproudmemberoftheunpatrioticmob   November 4th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

Given their lack of inclusion of republicans, preferring to name call, demean and degrade anyone who disagrees with them, I wonder how the House libitards are going to have a debate. Are they just going to tell the dope smokers there was no opposition?

John Q.   November 4th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

Listen Democrats PASS Helth Care reform NOW or my next election VOTE will be for the Republicans.

let the sausage making begin   November 4th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

what we end up will not be what you started with, I only hope it is not too heavy with pork and it benefits the populace

carlos, THAT one   November 4th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

let's go ahead and pass it even without the repugnants, they are the insignificants

Voted4HealthCare   November 4th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

Pass health-care reform with a public option as supported by the majority of Americans.

scott from michigan   November 4th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

So far all I have heard about this health reform is the insurance companies making out real good. Just like the car insurance being mandatory, so will health insurance, but nothing about the premiums going down, all that was said was it will take about 18% of my income. The reform says that insurance companies can't turn you away for pre existing condition but nothing about denying your claim for treatments, which makes the insurance company the original "death panels", that's right fellow americans, the insurance companies will get to continue to be "death panels" and they get to deny your claims but you will still have to pay them their premiums or go to jail.

I see, there are genetic problems in Ohio   November 4th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Yes, steamroll the pathetic rightwingers with this. Don't forget these same neo-nitwits had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the prosperity of the 1990s....the same kind of fearmongering and hatemongering from the rightwing was evident then too. Yes [D]s, ignore these homegrown talibanis, and move America forward!

GI Joe   November 4th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

We need a whole new set of people in congress – both parties.

Those turkeys are more concerned about lining their pockets with corporate cash than they are concerned with what the people need.

VOTE THEM OUT – if the next bunch is just as bad, vote them out too.

We have to send the message that we will not take it any more. Shouting is not needed, mind games are not needed – our votes against every incumbent - that's all it takes.

Johnny K   November 4th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

The American people want a public Option. Democrats need to do the right thing and pass it any way they can. They are on the right side of history. Medicare was the right thing to do many years ago and the Public Option is now also the right way to go. If you need to go to Reconcilation to pass it do it. Call the Republicans bluff. They will pay a heavy price in 2010 since they are going against the will of the American people. Now,is the time to take a courageous stand,now is the time,history waits just like it did when Medicare past many Years ago without the Support of the PARTY OF NO......

ran   November 4th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

Now is the time for the real surprise: the bill will be single payer non-profit universal health care. Way to go congress doing right by the people.

Too bad for the republicans,Blue dogs,Lieberman and insurance companies. But great for the people.

Angie   November 4th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Wonderful!! So glad to see people finally waking up.....

Ryan   November 4th, 2009 2:52 pm ET

Republicans were against medicare and medicaid for the LONGEST time because it was going to take away our freedoms. And as usual, they were wrong and as usual, deny history that they were ever against it.

Now, Republican politicians who receive their current government-run and mighty-cushy TAX-FUNDED healthcare, don't want the people who voted for them to have ANY coverage?

If you support the GOP on this you are CLEARLY an imbecile.

If you believe that it's socialized medicine or that it's going to be given to illegal workers and that the government is going to kill Grandma and Grandpa in the middle of the night like the GOP has spent over 1 million dollars with negative ads saying as much... then you are beyond being just an imbecile.

I mean, if they killed Grandma & Grandpa... they'd lose their biggest voting demographic... so clearly that's off the table!

Then there's the simple fact – NO COUNTRY ON EARTH has a system like ours or WANTS a system like ours! Everyone looks at us like we're completely bonkers for having our milton-bradley approach to health care.

How much do fillings, crowns, MRIs, stitches, casts, eye exams etc. need to cost?? Last time I checked, porcelain was not a precious metal yet getting a crown made at the Dentist costs more than buying a diamond ring and that's AFTER insurance!

And who on EARTH thinks pre-existing conditions is nothing short of an insurance scam????

RealityKing   November 4th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

Floor debate!? Progressives are trying to ram this budget buster down America's throat regardless of cost. There is no debate..

gary davis Harbor Oregon   November 4th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

LETS see if enough democrates have the balls or that aren't bought off by lobbist or insurance companies ...and vote in a public health care coverage ,that will bring down the control from insurance companies .. what a sick sociaty that allows large profit over someones illness/ real sick .. but here we are in the UNITED STATES OF DICTATORSHIP ( LARGE COMPANIES OWN US ) not the government ,...we are the government or we elected people to represent us ,that have fallen short and are selling us out each year to big business. :(

tpbco   November 4th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

To anybody in favor of this....Got your H1N1 shot yet?

Best rethink.

sensible Cape Coral Fl   November 4th, 2009 2:46 pm ET

I just finished working as a volunteer at a local hospital Business Office. I am appalled at the amount of money the Insurance Companies are making each day. The more delay in passing a Health Care Bill means millions (billions) of dollars in profit each day that the bill awaits pasage.

Jane/Seattle   November 4th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

Let's get this DONE and RIGHT!

LacrosseDad   November 4th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

NO SOCIALISM

Fools and their freedoms are soon parted   November 4th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

I hope you are preparing for articles of impeachment if you pass this Constitutional (hence illegal) plan...or be preapred to lose your jobs

a health economist   November 4th, 2009 2:34 pm ET

The Democrat's plan is, by no means, perfect. There are plenty of holes in it and they are relying on the Public Option to be a magic pill to fix the system. While that won't happen, that doesn't mean the Public Option doesn't have benefits.

The Republican's plan does have some good qualities to it. Unfortunately, it fails miserably to try and fix the market failures that are abundant in the health care idustry. They rely on the free market system as a magic pill to fix everything. That will in fact make things worse.

Assymetric information, moral hazard, adverse selection, monopoly power, barriers to entry...these are all market failures in the health industry which result in the free market system to not reach "an economically efficient outcome". You need to get past the second week of introductory economics to learn that the free market that the Republicans hold so dear only works under certain assumptions, many of which are not true in the real world. Text book exaples of the free market system working flawlessly according to economic theroy in general only exist in text books.

David   November 4th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

People need to go to congress.gov and READ THE BILL rather than just listening to all the opinions offered by TV and radio personalities. Links to HR 3962 and the supplements are right up front. Come on folks, it's not light reading but it's good citizenship to be informed of the FACTS over spin.

Emma   November 4th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

If Harry Reid tucks his tail between his legs and do not bring the health care package to a vote in the Senate deserve to loose his re-election bid and every Democrat in office should be thrown out of office. I will not forget Harry Reid.

Public option, an affordable health care package and put it to the vote. Blue Dog Democrats I can't wait until you are up for re-election. Every Democrat in Congress (House and Senate) should loose their re-election bid if they fail to pass health care legislation.

Anonymous   November 4th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

The Health Care Bill should have a Public option to create competition.
Everyone has to join, that does not have health care coverage,
People that have Health Coverage now,can have the public option to change to a new Health Care program, if they want to.

Doug, New Jersey   November 4th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

The head of planned parenthood was caught watching ultrasound videos of abortions, yup they actually love abortion and have such a fixation, fantasy, and fetish for it that they watch the fetus being destroyed on video as we would watch a movie.

Is she really alone on this? What percentage of Democrats are just like her? How many libs in congress have this demo-fetish?

I'm pro choice but I realize with Democrats like this, that the Democrat Party is not a home for me even on this issue, Democrats, well most anyway, are just sick, beyond sick. You can say what you want about even the fringe conservatives, they don't come close to your average Democrat.

cph9680   November 4th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

I guess the Dems didn't learn anything last night?

Let the bloodshed begin.

T'SAH from Virginia   November 4th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

The DEMOCRATS are "cramping out" on us and they ran out of PADS to soak it up.... Get the bill passed – with the PUBLIC OPTION and MOVE ON.... Dang!!!

AND WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN BILL???? I thought they were supposed to come out with their OWN BILL??? I guess it's the BILL TO NOWHERE!!

LacrosseMom   November 4th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

All I have to say is that.......

45,000 Americans die every year because they do not have healthcare.

IF 45,000 Americans were dying every year because of terrorist attacks, you can bet, that the Republicans would have done something to stop the deaths!

However, 45,000 Americans die every year from lack of healthcare and the GOP ... does...... not........ care.

GOP the Party of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Oil.

Sea.gem   November 4th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Now that they are done with their fantasy bill they can start writing their concession speeches for the 2010 elections...

Pee Wee   November 4th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

2,000 pages! What a joke. Who wrote this thing?

If a copy is printed for each congressman to read, think of the impact on the environment. And I thought Pelosi was a greeny.

Monster Zero   November 4th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

Maybe they should just lay it out on the floor like you do when house training a dog. That is all it's good for, how much more of our tax dollars are they gonna waste chasing this pipe dream? Their mission is futile, they will be assimilated, the Cons-BORG-ervative movement is becoming too powerful, do not resist! You have awakened the middle class American TAX PAYER!

Bob in Pa   November 4th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

Just prepare that monster for burial.

Phat Elvis   November 4th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Yes we can!!!
I would rather have "government" healthcare than insurance company-rationed sick care.

Nea   November 4th, 2009 1:40 pm ET

This Health Care bill is something that the Republicans is using against the Democrats to try to scare people away in supporting this bill in using excuses after excuses to not support it. Now its about whats good for me and my party instead of whats good for the country.

Pragmatic   November 4th, 2009 1:34 pm ET

Debate and discussion are the hallmarks of democracy: unlike the republicans that walked out on the meeting on climate change: when you are not part of the solution – you are part of the problem!

katiec   November 4th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

Go Health Care Reform!!
Go Public Option!!
No to republicans irresponsible, unworkable plan, once again
favoring big business.

Tony   November 4th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

Hopefully this mess does get pushed to next year. Then the cowards pushing this liberal nightmare will back down. After seeing what happened in the governor's races and how the independent voters went to the Repubs, it will be a bloodbath of Dems in 2010. Probably with or without passing this bill or the Cap and Tax bill. They have done enough damage already. Hopefully smug Pelosi can cry some more crocodilt tears this time next year. Vote em out in 2010 and 2012.

Mark,B'ham,Al.   November 4th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

The public option is getting a foot in the door for an eventual single payer system and only one entitlement has not had its orgional cost underestimated and that was the drug bill passed by the republicans under Bush. Few civilian doctors want to take Tri-Care Prime for the military so it is only good where you can use military facilities. You have long waiting periods and limited selection on drugs (generic only) and they do have different standards of access and care for officers, enlisted, active duty, and retirees. If that is what you want in a single payer system then join the military and enjoy the Clinton HMO system the democrats created for our Armed Forces and Retiree's.

Henry Miller, Libertarian   November 4th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

This turkey is going to hammer the deficit and national debt by at least a trillion bucks, making it completely unacceptable to the 53% of us who actually pay taxes–fortunately that 53% is still a majority.

franco   November 4th, 2009 1:23 pm ET

Please, can an ordinary, prudent American explain to me how some 344 House members can debate a bill that contains 2000 pages of legalese and embedded material that points to to other documents. Why do we Americans put up with such insanity. Liberal or conservative, our congressmen believe we are SOS (Stuck on Stupid), What is happening to this country when are leaders no longer respect the voters?

obummer, 1 and done   November 4th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

Prime example of not caring what is needed but winning at all costs.

Not only does this health care bill need to retire, so does pelosi. What a disaster she is.

Chris D.   November 4th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

Pass this bill already!!!!!!!!!

CENSORED.CNN   November 4th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

In order to win in 2010, the Dems must pass a major health care legislation and singed into law by the president. You must work for the public and not for the special interests. Believe me, if you fail to pass health care legislation, you will loose both houses of Congress come 2010 elections.

phoenix86   November 4th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

They can change the name of the bill to: The Democrats Political Swan Song.

marion/alabama   November 4th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

What kind of a bill is this? You can not make sense of it,why would anyone vote on a bill you can not read and make sense of? 1990 pages of garbage,it looks like it was written just to confuse and mis represent any thing to do with health care. It has a Tax increase in it,the Democrats are trying to hide,other than that I can not understand it,so I would be afraid to vote for it,it may contain more Bonuses and Pork ,to come out later after it is passed.

Sniffit   November 4th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

Awesome. Should be extremely amusing to watch the GOPers during this...they're gong to treat it as a contest of who can say the single most insipid thing ever said on the House floor. I heard Boehner may even show up wearing clown shoes and plans to do a rendition of "I'm a Little Teapot" accompanied by Cantor on slide whistle as a nod to his teabagging brethren. At least, whatever arguments spew forth from his mouth are likely to be just that cogent.

Glenn Campbel   November 4th, 2009 1:09 pm ET

Looking at the voting last night and how American's feel about Obama's policies, the better hurry or they wont have enought votes.

Obama is a very likable person but his policies are out of touch.

"It's the economy stupid!" Isn't that what Bill Clinton won his first election on?

Greg, MN   November 4th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

Lets see 2,000 pages... they should have it passed by 5:00 pm today like the spedulous bill.

People THINK. the bill itself is 2,000 PAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The biggest extra cost in health care today is administrative!!!!!!!!!!!!! What will government run health care be like???? The only thing for sure is wasteful, slow, expensive (sooner or later), and a huge beauracracy.

Why do they want government run health care? Follow the money. Drug companies, insurers, doctors, etc are big donors. Control their income control their donations.

Amazing   November 4th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

Think twice about what you are trying to shove through, your career is on the line.

Steph   November 4th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Keep up the great work! We need health care reform in this country.

I just donated money to a high school friend's charity fund because he became ill, lost his job, so he lost his health insurance. Now he cannot get any health insurance because of his preexisting condition. The guy is in his mid-40's, has a wife and 2 children, and needs to have a charity benefit to pay his medical bills. This is not OK in the United States of America. I thought we were a Christian nation?!?!

single mom   November 4th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Sigh... will they never learn? Will they never listen? Why won't they realize that most of us want a different reform? - Tort reform. Let insurance companies offer the same plan/same price across state lines. Insist on covering children. No illegal immigrants. (And no back-door amnesty nonsense either!)

Mark   November 4th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

No public option, America spoke yesterday!

PREDICTA   November 4th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

After last night's election results, it should be interesting to see who still supports HCR with a public option.

db   November 4th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

The real problem the Dems face now is believing their own own spin about the elections in Virginia and Jersey being "local." If they proceed accordingly vis-a-vis health care reform, they will self-destruct.

Fed Up   November 4th, 2009 1:02 pm ET

Blue Dogs...............last night was loud and clear...........we don't want this socialist plan shoved down our throats. Go along with the Obama agenda and you're out!

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