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Twenty years ago the people of Germany rose up against the tyranny of communism and tore a wall down..two days ago to clowns named obama and pelosi started america down the road to ruin by tring to jam down the peoples throats another bloated cow of the largest tax increase in the countrys history..if you think the economy is bad now,wait until this debacle takes effect..East Germany will look like Nirvana

Hey, Conserva-bots, still bragging about those Republican gains in NJ and VA? Ingnoring the fact we picked up two seats in the House, two "yes" votes on health care reform? Don't want to talk about that, do you? I mean, I don't live in NJ or VA so it had no effect on me. But, those two seats were huge! Again, you've been spun!

in the Senate.....there are not enough votes for socialized medicine in the Senate......never were.

Wait a minute! 94-96% covered? That leave about 12 million uninsured!

Don't Dems know that 45000 (give or take 4500) uninsured people die (not really die per say..) every year because they lack health insurance(according to a BS study dems like to reference even though it's BS)?

That leaves 12 million uninsured...which is the same number of uninsured the Republicans quoted in the first place.

Nothing like spending 1.2 trillion and achieving nothing…..while destroying health care coverage for everyone else…..Way to go DEMS!

Nasty Nancy isn't going to think much of Harry Reid if he can't pull off what she pulled off. Maybe he's not such a good socialist after all.

Dems have a majority in the Senate. We want:

- A robust public option
- No exclusions for pre-existing conditions
- No opt-out for the states (because you know that the unfortunate folks living in "Red" states will be used as patsies in the GOP's bid to regain power)

And, Sarah Palin's lies notwithstanding, there are NO DEATH PANELS

Go for the 51 vote option and stop all the republicans',Lieberman, blue dogs and for profit insurance temper tantrums already.

Get it done now. No matter how long Reid delays he will never get 60 votes. sad way to run a country when a minority can derail the will of the majority.

I say give us single payer non-profit universal health care now and let the obstructionist cry, cry, cry.

Unions are evil? I've never seen a Union get a bailout. But, the corporate pigs Unions fight on behalf of the worker sure suck the taxpayer dry with bailouts. It's a simple choice- Unions or Corporate suits. The former is a democratic group of citizens fighting for worker's rights, the latter is wealthy CEO's seeking golden parachutes and a feudal system. Conserva-bots, Instead of rehasing Right Wing talking points, try to come up with your own ideas.

This is only a test

Abortion funding wasn't my biggest concern with this mish mash of nonsense that passed the house Saturday night. I contacted my representative, whom I admire, and let him know how disappointed I am in him for swallowing this baloney hook, line and sinker. Since my Senators are useless parasites, I don't expect them to do anything except what they think will win them votes. I will be voting against both of them when they are up for re-election and I'll be looking long and hard at what my congressman does in the future. This bill is an abomination in its current state, and no one can predict how much worse it will be after they fiddle around with it before final passage. It will cost them.

A bill that can't even win all the votes of the left. When it doesn't get done this year, oh wait that doesn't matter it doesn't start til after the 2012 election. What a plan tax for 3 years and than look into providing coverage. I just hope businesses wait until a plan passes to start hirong again. Never mind real unemployment is 17% guess they already are waiting. I hope the plan taxes all these greedy companies right out of the US, America doesn't need these rich people anyway the middle class can support the poor on thier own. I'll pay 50+% in taxes my son doesn't need a college fund.

I can't believe that these folks still don't get it. After all the months of debate, they still don't have a clue. If the Senate waters down the healthcare bill just for passage, there will be hell to pay at the polls in 2008. I don't care if they are republican, democrat or other. All of them can take a walk off a short pier.

The unscientific CNN poll on whether or not people would vote for the latest health care bill is indicative of its liberal consumer base. Interesting that its only a 6 percentage point spread indicating that there are sensible liberals out there who realize that this thing comes with a hefty price tag and certain tax increase that will be felt for generations.

Liberty is a fading commodity in this country. I hope every congressman that votes for this knows we are coming after them on election day.

I need a list of the democrats who voted NO in the house, I want to send them a thank you note.

Thank goodness we have a few senators who understand what damage the public option will do to america. THANK YOU JOE keep up the good work. We will work hard for you in the next election.

Let's not forget this little gem:

U.S. Representatives John Carter (R-TX) and Steve King (R-IA)
had announced they would discuss Democrat Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s (D-MD) statement that the upcoming health care reform effort would fail if Members were required to read the legislation. House Democrats accordingly silenced floor debate on the issue by voting to close early.

Doesn't the phrase "stifle the will of the Democratic majority" sound a little partisan.

I also noticed the fine print at the end which implies that any reconciled bill out of the Senate and House will have to include abortion coverage to satisfy the liberal left "Pro-Choice Causus". I guess if they form enough caucuses we can never pass any bill in the House.

People are twisting the issue about healthcare needing to be reformed due to "higher costs".
If i build cars, and say one year i build one, but next year i build 10, my costs to build those cars has roughly gone up 10times!!!! OMG we better reduce costs!!! Let's let the govermnemt step in and force us to sell the cars for less and to deny no one with bad credit or no money. You also can't force the new owner to return the car if they stop paying for it.
Now apply this analogy to healthcare. As a whole, we have more, and better services available. THis all costs more. But government is stepping in and forcing pricing practices...it's a recipe for disaster. We've already seen the houseing market collapse, then the car makers. Now it's only up to the Senate to crash the healthcare system....

The bill passed by the House is scary. First (i've only read the first 50 pages) it says that insurers cannot increase premiums, deny care, drop care or refuse due to pre-existing conditions....BUT then it goes on to say regarding what the government can do if it's own costs cant be covered..." the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or establishing waiting lists."
No matter what party you're in, you should be afraid that the Sec'y of HHS has this much control. What happens when party affiliations change?? They're already holding companies to a standard that the government is not obligated to.

I hope someone in the Senate will grow a pair and do what is right for this country.
Take out the crap and the gifts to special interest. Put in actual cost reductions. Do what is right and not what will make certain groups happy.
How about creating reform based on real values (ie: taking care of each other and not having people die or go bankrupt if struck with illness).

We should not be spending billions/trillions on killing people around the world and start spending that money on making people healthy and productive.

Throw the GOP some bones with no abortion $ and cap lawsuits...

Then stick to your guns, grow a spine and support a strong public option.

This is the shining moment for Senate Democrats to show what muscle they have and get this bill through. For too long (at least until Sunday night), the Democratic Party has acted like they're in the minority and the Republican Party has acted like they're in the majority. It's time the Democrats realize their numbers in the Senate and the fact that the American people voted them in for a reason. The bill is half of the way to becoming law – don't stop now!

just pass the reform without the repugnants, they are anti American.....we will take care of them at election time when latinos voices will be heard and very loud!

That's because the Senators are in longer, so K street has more invested in them. Crooks.. liars..... basic traitors to their constituency. With the exception of a very few, both sides of the aisles are a bunch of untrustworthy, lazy bums. I am not even talking about ideology, it is pure sellout on both sides.

The Senate sickens me. And every Senator who opposes this reform, starting with Joe Lieberman, needs to be kicked to the curb next election day.

I know the majority is happy that the House passed a bill this weekend, but I will wait to hear that the president has signed a STRONG bill with the public option before I celebrate.
It's still a long way to go.

Let's make this clear to the Senate that whatever is in their bill, there better be a public option in it. I'm not worried about House members losing seats in the democratic caucus because in each of their bills they proposed a public option. Whereas in the Senate, these guys don't have any backbone to stand strongly behind a public option.

WARNING BLUE DOGS WARNING BLUE DOGS WARNING BLUE DOGS

The democratic party should not succumb to your conservative ideals when you only represent a small minority of constituents. Take those conservative values and shove them where the sun don't shine.

The more conservative senators have already been bought by the Insurance Companies, of course they don't want change.

Unlike Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid isn't a politically suicidal fanatic. He knows perfectly well that whatever percentage of American voters say they want some kind of health care "reform," nowhere near a majority are willing to pay a trillion bucks to get it.

That's because representation is apportioned by population size in the house so their decisions reflect the "will of the people" more accurately than the senate where each state gets 2 votes regardless of population. So basically, progress is being held back once again by a few hick states. And a bunch of corporate tool democrats. Have a nice day!

While democrats continue to try to do things for Americans, the do nothings in the GOP continue to party at taxpayer's expense, completely unaware of reality.

Abortions? The male puts the load on the waggon, yet they want the Women to pay the Tax and insurance. Plus the cost of transit...