Tony T is playing bait and switch, the wingnuts' favorite game. He quotes a stat saying that 51% oppose "the plan" and uses that to "prove" that 51% oppose a public alternative to private cutthroat insurance companies.
People always believe the stats that they think support their views and find flaws in stats that don't. Personally, I don't care what stats you come up with. The RIGHT thing to do is for congress to pass single payer health care like our military and the rest of the civilized world have had for ages.
Keep the insurance companies honest? Who is going to keep crooks like pukelosi honest?
Now there's an ironic mispell if I ever saw one.
Ben in Texas............Here is the only stat you need...
MEDICARE IS BROKE.
The only working public option and it is a failed system.
Here is another stat; Medicare premiums in 2004 were $58/month. 2009 they are $120. Cost of insurance went up more than the private sector, only Medicare pays on 30-40% of the bill and the program is going broke. Put's a little dent in you "competition to bring costs down" argument, huh?
But hey...don't let any of that stop you.
START...... OVER....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pelosi and Reid have made a mess out of this. We need to start with tort reform, allow competition across state lines, and, yes, remove exclusions for pre-existing conditions. Lets put that in place, and see how it works first. Then maybe the government takeover of Health Care won't have to be so massive, and we might have a chance to avoid bankruptcy in this country.
"The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 51% oppose the plan"
I've got news for you genius. Some of those 51% include people like myself, who believe the plan represents a giant, limp-wristed copout...and who, after years of study of the health care industry and the laws surrounding it, know for a fact that single-payer is the only TRUE solution. We would, however, accept the public option consolation prize for now. Moreover, opposition to this particular plan does not necessarily translate to opposition to a public option...just like being satisfied with your current health insurance (as I am) does not translate into opposition to a public option for those less fortunate.
Garfield from Canada........When Canada pays for health coverage for more than 20 million, we'll listen to you. Until then, shut it.
We have more people on Medicare then the population of Canada and the system is broken.
"They don't have to: the antitrust laws like the Clayton Act are inapplicable to them. Sorry for pointing out that your ideological rant was baseless, but that's the rub"
Says the guy who isn't in health care. Companies still decide who they buy their plans from. Just like auto insurance, they can pick their coverage and their cost.
You saying something is baseless is simply means you have no clue. You could do an internet such and come up with 20 plans that compete price wise and coverage wise. That’s competition.
mjm, Private insurance doesn't work because they help people. They make money by collecting premiums and then NOT helping the very ill. And premiums will not stop rising...they will soon price many more out of the system, so that ER care, more expensive, will become the norm. And guess who pays for that? We all do. So keep smoking your "keep government out of health care" cigars, and keep paying those premiums. Just don't get sick.
Ben in Texas December 11th, 2009 4:46 pm ET
mjm – If you'll check, you'll find that health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust laws...Most of us know that they are the major reason for high costs in the American health care system.
Have you taken a minute to check out a hospital bill lately?
That is the quickest way to get a little understanding of what health care costs are all about and it's not the insurance companies.
And yes, this means the Federal Government is trying to fix the wrong problem. Oops! ( But it's quicker and easier for Obama this way )
Pelosi and the Ultra-Liberals will bend over and take whatever the so-called moderates give to them because they know they have to pass SOMETHING. They talk about not voting for this and that but in the end, they will vote for almost anything, just to be able to say they passed Health Care Reform. Amazingly, 3 or 4 moderate Democrats has got the whole Senate in the palm of their hand.
WAKE UP AMERICA! They aren't giving up on ANYTHING! They are renaming the pig and dressing it up with lipstick and a wig. But rest assured, they WILL have the federal government takeover the healthcare of Americans.
So if they open Medicare up to 55-65 years olds, what keeps them from expanding that to down to newborns? NOTHING! Of course, the fact that Medicare is nearly broke and wrought with HUGE waste and fraud will play no part in their insane plans.
These corrupt clowns have NOTHING over Bernie Madoff! THEY are the original masters of the ponzi scheme! (aka social security).
Tony T December 11th, 2009 4:57 pm ET
Marie MD: "Most Americans want public option."
Would love to see a link to that poll you are looking at. Since you couldn't be more WRONG, I am guessing you are just repeating the lies from the loony left. But I am here to help you.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 51% oppose the plan. And as has been the case for months, the emotion’s on the sign of the naysayers: 40% Strongly Oppose the plan, while just 23% Strongly favor it.
I love these radical right wing retards that quote Rasmussen polls. OMFG, you idiots DO know that Rasmussen is slanted to the right don't you. I mean, COME ON, they're always on Faux Noise and Sean Hannity with their little poll results, give me a fckn break!
And the following are the brilliant minds of the fiscal responsibility that have created the language for the "healthcare reform bill" – Lord Help Us All
DENVER - Two Colorado congressmen spent more than $100,000 each of taxpayer money last year to mail constituents fliers to bolster their campaigns.
U.S. Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Colo., spent $103,377 on taxpayer-funded mailing and another $168,223 on reproduction costs in 2008, and U.S. Rep. Ed Perlmutter, D-Colo., spent $100,557 last year sending mail to constituents and another $118,831 on copying costs, congressional records show.
If she is listening maybe she will hear for her call to resign. Because most of his constituants want her out. I know most of the people on Medicare want her gone. And it won't be soon enough. Can't wait for the next election.
We are screwed and we lost
So we give them insurance. Well instead of dieing we will now take their house and put them on the street because they can not afford the out of pocket.. Mabe they might just survive on the street. If you do your homework most people with pre-existing conditions never paid forinsurance, so now they have the option of not paying into the system and middle America must pay for them.
"Doing nothing means that about 45,000 more people will die next year because they aren't working so they can't afford health insurance or they get kicked out of their health insurance because of pre-existing conditions or because they work for a small employer who doesn't provide a health insurance plan with their job. So it's ok with you that Americans die for these reasons? The "libs" as you call us are really just Americans who CARE about other Americans dying! Obviously you can't relate."