This witch and her allies (to include this inept President) will figure out a way to backdoor this socialistic plan. They have proved their word doesn't mean squat!
December 11, 2009 03:35 pm at 3:35 pm |
mjm
1300 insurance companies, and somehow 1300 + 1 = competition.
Somehow a public option is going to keep cost down, yet Medicare premiums have gone from $58 in 2004 to $120 in 2009.
Now the Senate is considering adding millions to Medicare. It's as if they don't understand the concept of "broke". Private insurance companies aren't going broke, Medicare is. Maybe because one works and one doesn’t….Libs want the broke one….smart move.
Doing nothing would be a better option then anything the Libs have put on the table.
December 11, 2009 03:41 pm at 3:41 pm |
Henry Miller, Libertarian
Yeah, maybe common sense is finally breaking out and even the dimwit Democrats are finally catching on the the surest route from Congress to the unemployment line is to go on supporting yet more government interference in health care that a majority of Americans don't want.
The next Congressional IQ test will be when the CBO comes up with the price tag for the health care bill–will they be bright enough to realise that a majority of Americans think that controlling the deficit is a lot more important than wasting a ton of money turning health care into yet another insanely expensive entitlement program.
December 11, 2009 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
Marc
Henry Miller, go back to Economic 101. CBO had already atested that the bill works...
December 11, 2009 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
Right wingnuts do not make up the majority of Americans, and do not speak for the majority. Can any of you ever imagine a wingnut doing anything for the majority of Americans?
Hopefully the American public will throw thewingnut fear tactics and lying out with the trash.
December 11, 2009 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
Dominican mama 4 Obama
I believe what Nancy said was that if there was something better out there than what is currently on the table that would make the insurance companies competitive and keep them 'honest', she's willing to listen. I don't see anything wrong with that statement in principle. You should not close your ears to other's input, if it is stated intelligently. You're now hearing that they (the D's ) don't have the votes to pass a reform with a public option. Nancy is being a pragmatist. Keeping her ears and her options open. We'll see. My head is spinning.
December 11, 2009 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
Dave of Oregon
If it hasn't occurred to most Americans something seems amiss. If about 1/6 of Americans are not covered by insurance and the prospect for insurance companies to drop existing insurers due to existing preconditions and the like, that means that there are fewer and fewer healthy Americans which the insurance company can spread risk across the board. The eventuality is for increased rates being driven up by the fewer and fewer healthy insured as the sick or preexisting high risk people get thrown off lists of those being insured. That will explain one of two things, either you are tired of getting higher and higher rates of premium payments or you are getting tossed from the insured lists. Either way, a government introspection of this mess is paramount. There are simply not very many options available any longer whether you are the at risk higher billed insured or you are the uninsured at risk of disease person! Take your pick!
December 11, 2009 03:58 pm at 3:58 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
Other than supporting war efforts, do libertarians believe in any other responsibility of government?
December 11, 2009 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
Why do wingnuts only support the communist republican principles?
December 11, 2009 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
Michele
Well, here we go with the socialist crap again. You Palin lovers do realize that Alaska taxes big oil and then awards checks to every resident...no state tax, why tax when we can spread the wealth of the oil companies around. Meanwhile, people are dying due to lack of health care. Why is that OK? Why is that 'Christian?" It is neither...it is a sign that the greed of the Republican leaders overrides any attempt at providing for our citizens. More people in Medicare will make it work, because when the pool of people is bigger, everyone benefits. When there is COMPETITION, private insurers have to accept a bit less profit. But if you are currently in a dream plan that pays for everything, good luck sustaining that. That is exactly what brought the auto industry to its knees...cradle to grave health care for workers, with zero premiums or copays.
December 11, 2009 04:03 pm at 4:03 pm |
Idiot_Pelosi
Nancy "Botox" Pelosi is an abosolute joke. She has an ego bigger than Joe Biden's forehead. This absurd excuse of a politician needs to go.
December 11, 2009 04:03 pm at 4:03 pm |
Jim
I agree with Ms. Pelosi that we should see if there is another way to achieve the same goals. But I have to wonder why insurance companies were so dead set against a public option. I imagine its because it would have cut into their profits. In case no one has noticed, their profits come out of our pockets. There is nothing socialist about us banding together to save money.
December 11, 2009 04:05 pm at 4:05 pm |
yuri
Hurray for the GOP! These goons have successfully spearheaded the attack on public option, ably aided by the blue dog dems. We construe this as anti-destitute attitude, favoring the rich, and ditching the downtrodden. Alan Grayson is the right man for 2016.
December 11, 2009 04:05 pm at 4:05 pm |
Sea.gem
Funny...look how frequently you see leftist posts by "Dominican MAMA", "T'yisha" et al compared to those who actually demonstrate an education...this is who CNN caters to. The 'pullback' is a con job..there is a one year trigger to enact a public option....to believe "Nancy" is the height of irresponsibilty...the woman can't keep her own lies straight and has been exposed for her lies many times.
Actually, teh biggest myth is stating that the uninsured don't get treatment at all...my brother is an emergency room doctor and is constantly threatened by gang members (not insured) to save "their gun-shot brethren"...and these are the peopel Obama expects will 'buy' their mandated insurance...what a joke!
December 11, 2009 04:06 pm at 4:06 pm |
Jimmy James
They can't get thru real reform so they are going to ram thru garbage just to claim they got reform
"The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating - an estimated increase of $234 billion over 10 years. It also calls into question the Democrats' plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it "may be unrealistic."
In more bad news, the report released Friday warns that a new long-term care insurance plan included in the legislation could "face a significant risk of failure." The silver lining: The bill provides coverage to 93 percent of Americans."
Democrats just making what they claim is a failing system worse.
December 11, 2009 04:06 pm at 4:06 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
Talk about a right wing contradiction in government's responsibility. In Florida, a number of wingnuts are upset with the Governor for not declaring the Chinese Drywall a national disaster to get federal assistance.
All of this is in the name of less government intervention, unless it affects you directly, and then, where is the government?
When the 1300 insurance companies are all legally colluding with each other to fix prices, then yeah, adding a government run program will provide competition. Repugnants in congress all know that it is vital to eliminate the public option. That is the only worthwhile provision in the bill. If it passes, things will improve in regard to health insurance costs, and the Repugnants cannot allow that, because it will demonstrate that they were lying.
If Democrats pass a bill without a public option, they will suffer the consequences from the people who elected them expecting real reform. They will also suffer excoriation from the Repugs, who will say, "See, we knew your bill wouldn't make anything better," when in actuality, it will be the bill the Repugs wanted, i.e., the one without a public option. Democrats will lose twice, so they will probably choose that road rather than showing some backbone.
December 11, 2009 04:07 pm at 4:07 pm |
Sniffit
This is why the Dems will be in trouble in 2010. Not for passing health care reform, but for passing health care reform that is nothing more than a sloppy handjob for the insurance industry. Don't get any on your blue dress Nancy...
December 11, 2009 04:09 pm at 4:09 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
Boner, not Pelosi, is the joke in the House of Representatives. While he spends $83,000 on golfing and God knows how much on his orange spray tan, he has done nothing to help Americans. Face it wingnuts, he is on welfare.
December 11, 2009 04:09 pm at 4:09 pm |
Tony T
Take this bill, called the worst of all time and burn it!! Thank you to the Republicans and a few of the normal thinking Dems in the Senate for stopping this rush to socialism. Now that it has come out that this bill raises health insurance premiums for all who already have it, doesn't cover 23 million people still and raises taxes at the same time slashes Medicare..... how could anyone support it in good faith?? The loony left will still try to push something thru. What is the hurry libs, if the plan doesn't kick in for FOUR YEAS??? Could it be the loony left just wanted to jam it thru before anyone knew what hit them??? Thank God this POS got stopped. Real reform can either be worked on now or after we vote you libs out in November. Your choice....
December 11, 2009 04:14 pm at 4:14 pm |
charlie in Maine
Don't let the perfect bcome the enemy of the good. It is not the plan I would design. But it is better by far than any of the smoke and mirrors crap that the GOP is pedaling.
December 11, 2009 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
MVDCT
When will the Congressional Dumocrats wake up and realize that the public's support for their grand scheme takeover is sinking faster than the titanic. All the polls point to a very frosty reception from the American people, who are alot smarter than what the Dumocrats think they are.
December 11, 2009 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
Right wingnuts are as dumb as a woonsocket
It goes to show that when Fox's owner Dr. Evil, along with Mini Me Beck and Fat Bastard Hannity, team up with the health insurance industry and the republican party, nothing that helps Americans will get passed.
December 11, 2009 04:18 pm at 4:18 pm |
Jane/Seattle
How is it that we must have Insurance on Cars, Houses, Lives, Property, but our personal care throughout our lives is held with such Little regard? This is the fundamental flaw of unregulated capitalism – predatorsm must always "create" new markets, even if these markets create death and destruction! Poet out.
Credit to Mike Malloy as I heard him say this last night on the Radio!
December 11, 2009 04:19 pm at 4:19 pm |
D. Tree
When you see how moderate the Democratic Party actually is, it becomes obvious that the Tea Party people calling them "socialist" and "nazi" are simply delusional.
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This witch and her allies (to include this inept President) will figure out a way to backdoor this socialistic plan. They have proved their word doesn't mean squat!
1300 insurance companies, and somehow 1300 + 1 = competition.
Somehow a public option is going to keep cost down, yet Medicare premiums have gone from $58 in 2004 to $120 in 2009.
Now the Senate is considering adding millions to Medicare. It's as if they don't understand the concept of "broke". Private insurance companies aren't going broke, Medicare is. Maybe because one works and one doesn’t….Libs want the broke one….smart move.
Doing nothing would be a better option then anything the Libs have put on the table.
Yeah, maybe common sense is finally breaking out and even the dimwit Democrats are finally catching on the the surest route from Congress to the unemployment line is to go on supporting yet more government interference in health care that a majority of Americans don't want.
The next Congressional IQ test will be when the CBO comes up with the price tag for the health care bill–will they be bright enough to realise that a majority of Americans think that controlling the deficit is a lot more important than wasting a ton of money turning health care into yet another insanely expensive entitlement program.
Henry Miller, go back to Economic 101. CBO had already atested that the bill works...
Right wingnuts do not make up the majority of Americans, and do not speak for the majority. Can any of you ever imagine a wingnut doing anything for the majority of Americans?
Hopefully the American public will throw thewingnut fear tactics and lying out with the trash.
I believe what Nancy said was that if there was something better out there than what is currently on the table that would make the insurance companies competitive and keep them 'honest', she's willing to listen. I don't see anything wrong with that statement in principle. You should not close your ears to other's input, if it is stated intelligently. You're now hearing that they (the D's ) don't have the votes to pass a reform with a public option. Nancy is being a pragmatist. Keeping her ears and her options open. We'll see. My head is spinning.
If it hasn't occurred to most Americans something seems amiss. If about 1/6 of Americans are not covered by insurance and the prospect for insurance companies to drop existing insurers due to existing preconditions and the like, that means that there are fewer and fewer healthy Americans which the insurance company can spread risk across the board. The eventuality is for increased rates being driven up by the fewer and fewer healthy insured as the sick or preexisting high risk people get thrown off lists of those being insured. That will explain one of two things, either you are tired of getting higher and higher rates of premium payments or you are getting tossed from the insured lists. Either way, a government introspection of this mess is paramount. There are simply not very many options available any longer whether you are the at risk higher billed insured or you are the uninsured at risk of disease person! Take your pick!
Other than supporting war efforts, do libertarians believe in any other responsibility of government?
Why do wingnuts only support the communist republican principles?
Well, here we go with the socialist crap again. You Palin lovers do realize that Alaska taxes big oil and then awards checks to every resident...no state tax, why tax when we can spread the wealth of the oil companies around. Meanwhile, people are dying due to lack of health care. Why is that OK? Why is that 'Christian?" It is neither...it is a sign that the greed of the Republican leaders overrides any attempt at providing for our citizens. More people in Medicare will make it work, because when the pool of people is bigger, everyone benefits. When there is COMPETITION, private insurers have to accept a bit less profit. But if you are currently in a dream plan that pays for everything, good luck sustaining that. That is exactly what brought the auto industry to its knees...cradle to grave health care for workers, with zero premiums or copays.
Nancy "Botox" Pelosi is an abosolute joke. She has an ego bigger than Joe Biden's forehead. This absurd excuse of a politician needs to go.
I agree with Ms. Pelosi that we should see if there is another way to achieve the same goals. But I have to wonder why insurance companies were so dead set against a public option. I imagine its because it would have cut into their profits. In case no one has noticed, their profits come out of our pockets. There is nothing socialist about us banding together to save money.
Hurray for the GOP! These goons have successfully spearheaded the attack on public option, ably aided by the blue dog dems. We construe this as anti-destitute attitude, favoring the rich, and ditching the downtrodden. Alan Grayson is the right man for 2016.
Funny...look how frequently you see leftist posts by "Dominican MAMA", "T'yisha" et al compared to those who actually demonstrate an education...this is who CNN caters to. The 'pullback' is a con job..there is a one year trigger to enact a public option....to believe "Nancy" is the height of irresponsibilty...the woman can't keep her own lies straight and has been exposed for her lies many times.
Actually, teh biggest myth is stating that the uninsured don't get treatment at all...my brother is an emergency room doctor and is constantly threatened by gang members (not insured) to save "their gun-shot brethren"...and these are the peopel Obama expects will 'buy' their mandated insurance...what a joke!
They can't get thru real reform so they are going to ram thru garbage just to claim they got reform
"The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating - an estimated increase of $234 billion over 10 years. It also calls into question the Democrats' plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it "may be unrealistic."
In more bad news, the report released Friday warns that a new long-term care insurance plan included in the legislation could "face a significant risk of failure." The silver lining: The bill provides coverage to 93 percent of Americans."
Democrats just making what they claim is a failing system worse.
Talk about a right wing contradiction in government's responsibility. In Florida, a number of wingnuts are upset with the Governor for not declaring the Chinese Drywall a national disaster to get federal assistance.
All of this is in the name of less government intervention, unless it affects you directly, and then, where is the government?
mjm says, "1300 insurance companies, and somehow 1300 + 1 = competition."
When the 1300 insurance companies are all legally colluding with each other to fix prices, then yeah, adding a government run program will provide competition. Repugnants in congress all know that it is vital to eliminate the public option. That is the only worthwhile provision in the bill. If it passes, things will improve in regard to health insurance costs, and the Repugnants cannot allow that, because it will demonstrate that they were lying.
If Democrats pass a bill without a public option, they will suffer the consequences from the people who elected them expecting real reform. They will also suffer excoriation from the Repugs, who will say, "See, we knew your bill wouldn't make anything better," when in actuality, it will be the bill the Repugs wanted, i.e., the one without a public option. Democrats will lose twice, so they will probably choose that road rather than showing some backbone.
This is why the Dems will be in trouble in 2010. Not for passing health care reform, but for passing health care reform that is nothing more than a sloppy handjob for the insurance industry. Don't get any on your blue dress Nancy...
Boner, not Pelosi, is the joke in the House of Representatives. While he spends $83,000 on golfing and God knows how much on his orange spray tan, he has done nothing to help Americans. Face it wingnuts, he is on welfare.
Take this bill, called the worst of all time and burn it!! Thank you to the Republicans and a few of the normal thinking Dems in the Senate for stopping this rush to socialism. Now that it has come out that this bill raises health insurance premiums for all who already have it, doesn't cover 23 million people still and raises taxes at the same time slashes Medicare..... how could anyone support it in good faith?? The loony left will still try to push something thru. What is the hurry libs, if the plan doesn't kick in for FOUR YEAS??? Could it be the loony left just wanted to jam it thru before anyone knew what hit them??? Thank God this POS got stopped. Real reform can either be worked on now or after we vote you libs out in November. Your choice....
Don't let the perfect bcome the enemy of the good. It is not the plan I would design. But it is better by far than any of the smoke and mirrors crap that the GOP is pedaling.
When will the Congressional Dumocrats wake up and realize that the public's support for their grand scheme takeover is sinking faster than the titanic. All the polls point to a very frosty reception from the American people, who are alot smarter than what the Dumocrats think they are.
It goes to show that when Fox's owner Dr. Evil, along with Mini Me Beck and Fat Bastard Hannity, team up with the health insurance industry and the republican party, nothing that helps Americans will get passed.
How is it that we must have Insurance on Cars, Houses, Lives, Property, but our personal care throughout our lives is held with such Little regard? This is the fundamental flaw of unregulated capitalism – predatorsm must always "create" new markets, even if these markets create death and destruction! Poet out.
Credit to Mike Malloy as I heard him say this last night on the Radio!
When you see how moderate the Democratic Party actually is, it becomes obvious that the Tea Party people calling them "socialist" and "nazi" are simply delusional.