March 4th, 2010
09:00 AM ET
5 years ago

Bachmann, Grayson square off on health care

(CNN) - Reps. Michele Bachmann, R-Minnesota, and Alan Grayson, D-Florida, engaged in a spirited debate on health care reform Wednesday night on CNN's Larry King Live.

Specifically, the two squared off over whether the tactic of reconciliation - requiring only a simple majority to pass the measure - should be used.

"That's not how the Senate works," Bachmann said. "The Senate works with 60 votes, and now what the president is promoting is a nuclear option which is 50 votes."

Grayson replied: "There's nothing in the Senate rules that prevents reconciliation. It's been used 22 times overall and 14 times by Republicans. If it's good enough to provide tax cuts for the rich - twice under Bush - it's good enough to provide health care for all Americans."


Filed under: Alan Grayson • Michele Bachmann
soundoff (88 Responses)
  1. RTB

    Bachmann is another Air Head like the Alaskan Air Head. Change the subject, distort the truth, lie, leave out facts, whatever.

    We need more Real Democrats like Alan Grayson who can stay with the issues and not be dissuade by the childish nonsense that comes from the likes of the Republican from Minnesota.

    My hat off to Alan Grayson.

    March 4, 2010 09:37 am at 9:37 am |
  2. NVa Native

    It is great that there is a such a spokesperson like Bauchmann for the GOP. Someone who's not afraid to speak her mind – which is a window into the Repub way of looking at our world. She is such a shameless fool who rarely thinks about what she says before opening her mouth, and cares nothing about truth or reality.
    The "majority rules" is the law of the land. No matter what the "mob of morons" wants you to think this week.
    Majority rule is why we have such a great President, and why so many southern states have such backward clowns representing them.
    And Grayson is great at giving the Repubs the in your face that they honor so much. But it is interesting how Grayson goes a different way than the Repubs by using facts instead of lies and fantasy.

    March 4, 2010 09:38 am at 9:38 am |
  3. Jorgor Barrie

    Mrs. Alan Grayson, D-Florida is absolutely 100% RIGHT!

    Mr. Michele Bachmann, R-Minnesota is absolutely 100% WRONG!

    REPUBLICANS AND RIGHT-WING PARTIES ARE A BURDEN TO AMERICANS AND THE WORLD!

    March 4, 2010 09:39 am at 9:39 am |
  4. Read The Constitution

    If the "rich" pay 39% tax..........and 55% of america pay ZERO....how is that fair?
    Many "rich" go through 4 years of college, 4 years of graduate school and somtimes more. Why does Obama and the dems penalize the hard working??? I just don't get it. Why are the Lazy and Unwilling always rewarded?????

    Tell me how many people with graduate degrees are jobless? Sorry, the hard workers win...but then the left wing tackles them.

    March 4, 2010 09:40 am at 9:40 am |
  5. DC

    How much tax is OK? This year you and I will work 3.5 months to pay our taxes. That is more than we will spend on our food, clothing and housing combine (check the facts). Why can’t the government take our 3.5 months of taxes and spend it correctly. I like my public conveniences as much as any one- roads, parks, etc. But I don’t want to pay more than my 3.5 months. So I ask, how much do you democrats think is enough 4,5,6 or more months? Please take everyone else’s lead (successful companies, everyday citizens, etc.) and reduce your spending within a budget!!!

    March 4, 2010 09:42 am at 9:42 am |
  6. Steve in Denver

    No, Ms. Bachman. The Senate was not intended to work that way. The fillibuster was intended as a way for the minority party to stop a bill that is particularly oppressive, particularly harmful to the country. That is why, until the 2006 change of hands to Rs being in the minority, fillibusters were used sparingly.

    Of course, it was also intended that the members mounting a fillibuster would actually have to talk on something for days at a time. Now, the party of no just says "fillibuster," and the spineless weasels we have in the senate say OK.

    March 4, 2010 09:42 am at 9:42 am |
  7. Jeff Spangler, Arlington, VA

    Aside from the merits, putting this silly woman up against a Harvard and Harvard law guy is hardly fair and balanced, but revealing in a funny way.

    March 4, 2010 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  8. Sgt. USMC

    GRAYSON ROCKS!!!

    We need to hear more from him.

    It sucks that I missed it but I was at school getting some great American education.

    March 4, 2010 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  9. GOP = "I hoe he fails"

    Here are a couple who are good examples of what is WRONG with government today.

    Here are two lights that shed great heat though little illumination.

    March 4, 2010 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  10. Sam

    Americans are better served when Bachmann keeps her mouth shut

    March 4, 2010 09:46 am at 9:46 am |
  11. Doug,lib jersey

    A beautiful compassionate fair-minded woman who is a great role model for all little girls against a slimmy dishonest trial laywer type of socialist lib democrat who is a cancer on a caring, honest and decent society.

    I'd say they both represent their supporters perfectly, as does ultra blue America Vs red America.

    March 4, 2010 09:46 am at 9:46 am |
  12. Really

    I love how the dems arguement is always well you did it before. Oh I do not forget to add Bush in the arguement. He's bad. Lets compare apples to apples. It has not been used in the same magnitude that it will be here.

    I hope the dems actually use it. Many feel that they will never lose power. But just wait. Payback is a ........

    March 4, 2010 09:49 am at 9:49 am |
  13. Randolph Carter, I'm no expert but....

    Here's an idea. Let's say you retire at 65 and start collecting social security. When you use up the money you put in over the years, you get cut off. No more social security. You get the money you "worked hard for" and no lazy Oprah watching welfare queens (because that's what all unemployed people are, right?) get a cent of your money. Anything more would be socialism. This way is much more fair. And it saves money. Have a nice day!

    March 4, 2010 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  14. GI Joe

    Since asylums for the nuts closed down years ago, send Backmann and Virginia Foxxxxxx both in front of one of their imaginary death panels. Anyone that spreads falsehoods like those two needs to be voted out of public view.

    March 4, 2010 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  15. Kevin in Ohio

    No, Mr Grayson, it is NOT Good enough....and Barack Obama has even said so, along with other democrats.

    WE DO NOT WANT GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How many times do WE THE PEOPLE have to say it to make you
    hear us??????????????????????????????????

    March 4, 2010 09:52 am at 9:52 am |
  16. Mr. President ... Hire Rachel Maddow

    Republicans like to portray Democrats as weak, spineless, cowardly when it comes to using the military as an instrument of US power projection.

    I think President Obama's has again demonstrated that although he is a patient gentleman, he is no punk and that the GOP should not talk SMACK to him. Trying to tie the fundamental American principle of MAJORITY RULES to "the Nuclear Option" is more Republican Bumpersticker-ism. When push came to shove, Our President demonstrated that he has the right temperment to make the tough decsions.

    He had those pirates popped and he's going to whack the Party of No over the obstruction to Health Care Insurance reform.

    March 4, 2010 09:52 am at 9:52 am |
  17. Marc

    Once again, Michelle Bachmann's arguments shows problems of compatibility with facts.
    No new here.

    March 4, 2010 09:52 am at 9:52 am |
  18. Nosey Canadians should mind their own business

    Bachman is nothing more than the spokeswoman for United Health Group.Women across this country better wake up,the image this woman gives to all women will set them back to the cave dwelling days.

    March 4, 2010 09:56 am at 9:56 am |
  19. David in San Diego

    I love Bachmann. If she didn't exist, the Dems would need to invent her. Almost every time she speaks in public, she reveals that she is a true know-nothing. In the quantum physics world of the Republican'ts, her positive spin counteracyts Eric Cantor's positive rotation to create a black hole of policy. I love Bachmann. Bunning and Bachmann in 2012 is my rallying cry!!

    March 4, 2010 10:00 am at 10:00 am |
  20. once upon a horse

    this was an unfair debate at the start because Grayson has one thing that Backmann doesn't have.......A BRAIN!!

    Palin/Backmann 2012

    March 4, 2010 10:00 am at 10:00 am |
  21. Michael I Minnesota

    Didn't bachman say we should slit our wrists ?

    Thanks Sixth district MN for showing the world how dunb you really are

    March 4, 2010 10:00 am at 10:00 am |
  22. Old White Virginia Female

    Hey, Bachmann, have you ever heard of politics? This is the way Washington works and it is the only way Washington works, and I am glad to see that someone in the administration knows how to make Washington work - finally. You can take your investigation and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Go home if you don't know how to play ball in this town. This is a change that was never promised by anybody!! I do appreciate Obama's interest in Lincoln, but I wish he would also spend time studying Lyndon Johnson.

    March 4, 2010 10:04 am at 10:04 am |
  23. Miss Independence

    They are both right...reconcilliation has been used 22 times: 14 by Repubs and 8 by Dems....

    ...and using reconcilliation is old school DC which we DESPISE both parties for....

    keep on riling the independents.....see what happens next election...both parties are being IDIOTS...

    it is simple:
    1. federal health care is against our Constitution
    2. Past experiences show that Feds cannot run health care (medicare/medicaid)
    3. We don't have the $$$ right now
    4.We should be cutting big government not increasing it

    I find it sad and ironic that our first president of color is both enslaving our children financially and is being used as a token....

    March 4, 2010 10:04 am at 10:04 am |
  24. Chris

    I love Alan Grayson. "Liberals" or "Democrats" or "the Left" or whatever they are called need more people like him to generate some buzz. The conservative Republicans have a never-ending list of crazies who are given cart blanche to root for the death and destruction of anything that doesn't involve war or tax cuts (not to mention the death-whether political or otherwise-of basically every Democrat). At least Grayson gets some press for his statements.

    March 4, 2010 10:04 am at 10:04 am |
  25. Fair is Fair

    Wow. Giving a congressman's brother a judgeship in an effort to get him to switch his vote. Unbelievable.

    So now the Obama administration is involved in nepotism in addition to the blatent cronyism already displayed.

    Unethical at best... and possibly criminal.

    March 4, 2010 10:05 am at 10:05 am |
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