Editor's note: Gloria Borger is a senior political analyst for CNN, appearing regularly on CNN's "The Situation Room," "AC360°," "John King, USA" and "State of the Union."
(CNN) - So I clearly remember one morning last summer when the issue of the Bush-era tax cuts came up during a breakfast with a top Democrat. I naturally asked what the party's game plan might be on extending those tax cuts. Would they make the issue of tax cuts for the middle class a centerpiece of the fall campaign? Or would they punt until after the election?
The Democrat's answer: We're not sure. (Shocking, I know.)
I hate the deal. I hate the fact that the repubs are holding our country and those most in need, the unemoloyed, hostage for 700billion... but sometimes you have to give the crying brat the pacifier just to get through the rest of the day... work still has to get done.
The real answer is they didn't have the votes. Scared moderate Democrats were balking at any votes to raise taxes. Oh, and one more thing: House Democrats didn't trust their Senate brethren to pass it.
Thanks, Gloria. This is common sense we can all agree on ... Obama never has had the 60 votes needed.
All the Obama apologists came out mid-afternoon yesterday. It was obvious on this blog alone. That must have been when they were emailed their talking points from Organizing for America.
I believe in what the President said yesterday: "We don't negottiate with hostage takers." I believe most democrats are on the right side of this issue. We should not be caving in to these terrorists demands from republicans. I believe we could have gotten unemployment benefits extended without extended the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. The democrats need to fight this all the way up to December 31st and then if the republican terrorist refuse to budge, then go along with the deal.
Boy is the "news" media trying to sell this "deal." Take a hike Borger....we know what tax bracket you and the rest of them fall into.
>The president hinted Tuesday that he's interested in reforming the code.
>And a senior White House adviser told me Tuesday that it's something they
>are looking at. It calls the Republicans' bluff: They've always hated the complex
>code. So ask them to fix it, and raise revenues at the same time.
Gloria Borger is a liberal fool. The objective of tax code reform is NOT to RAISE TAXES!! Just like all DemocRATS, everything they talk about leads down the same path to the same conclusion, government needs to grow and more needs to be confiscated from the American people in the form of taxes. CUT THE SPENDING IDIOTS!!! STOP STEALING OUR MONEY TO WASTE OR REDISTRIBUTE!!!
And you know what's most offensive? We just spent 2 years watching the "news" media not simply report on the epic, 2 year long, toddleresque foot-stomping, astroturf Frankenstein creating, infantile, incoherent, insane, misinformation spreading, fearmongering, bigot riling, religio-fascist conniption fit from the GOP...oh no...it wasn't good enough to simply report on it: THE "NEWS" MEDIA HAD TO ENCOURAGE IT AND LEND IT LEGITIMACY.
Yet, what happens the first time the Dems show any signs of life and spine, DESPITE the fact that the majority of Americans do NOT want tax cuts extended beyond the first $250K of income? That's right...because of the substance of the issue, the "news" media spent weeks ignoring relevant studies from DOL and CBO and is now doing its best, through shills like Borger, to generate a narrative that says the Dems shouldn't get upset about anything and should just roll over to give the extremely wealthy top 2% of this country more tax cuts paid for by the middle-class.
If you're not in that 2% and you buy the crap that they're selling, you're a sucker, plain and simple.
Excellent discussion of the issues. But here's another perspective of the," It's not paid for." argument. It's not new spending either and it's very specifically aimed at maintaining existing economic activity and promoting growth of the nation's economic activity. This means jobs and increased government revenues, something new spending by stimulus was not effective at. Broadbased economic growth will be powerful for addressing our nation's debt and budget deficits.
So is this as funny as when repubs disagree with each other? you betcha!
It would be intresting to do a comparision on what Canadians have to pay in Taxes, Fuel, and all the combined cost of living costs. If the Americian Tax payer had to pay exactly the same, how fast would the Americian depicit be paid off. In my Opinion the Americian public is to polorized to even think of what it would be like to have to step up and pay the same as Canadians.. Why Not is the question. How would the Politician handle implementing such a position, but it would truly be intresting to show in graph form the differences.
Democrats, if you don't like the agreement between Obama and Republicans, filibuster it in the Senate. Republicans stopped many of Democrats' bills with just 41 votes. They never stopped railing about the health care bill. Republicans were rewarded with a victory in the election by trying to block everything, even bills that Republicans used to support. Democrats have more votes in the Senate even after the midterm election. If Democrats are not happy about the agreement, they can re-introduce the bill that extends the tax cuts only for people who make less than $250,000. Let Republicans filibuster that bill, and Democrats can filibuster the bill resulting from Obama's agreement with Republicans. An impasse will not work for Republicans, because the tax cuts will expire without action. Let the Bush tax cuts expire, which will eliminate the biggest reason why we have this huge deficit in the first place.
Where were these guys 9-12 months ago. They had their chance to make it happen and they chose to put it off. Start acting like professionals and planning or lose opportunities.
OMG is this the age of Robin Hood?!!!
Dems are getting on my last Independent nerve – – STOP ALL THE WHINING and PASS THE BILL!!!!!!! Congress just going in circles. You've had time to pass a bill but you didn't!! At least the Senate attempted a vote. So the President had to get involved and I'm happy with the "deal". HE CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE!!!!!
I could care less about the rich and how much they are or are not paying. I hope to Stop all the class war fare! If they earned it so be it! Estate taxes should be removed permanently! How dare someone's family be taxed because the person leaving the estate was able to do so.
["Scared moderate Democrats were balking at any votes to raise taxes. Oh, and one more thing: House Democrats didn't trust their Senate brethren to pass it."]
This is the PROBLEM with the DEMOCRATS – Scared and they DON'T STICK TOGETHER!!! If you have a "D" after your name, you should represent Democrats!!! This is why the RepubliCAN'Ts get OVER no matter if it means being SELFISH – down-outright MEAN – UNCARING – Criminally holding policies HOSTAGE and FEAR-mongering – they stick together even if they are HEAD STRONG and DEAD WRONG!!!
I guarantee you not ALL RepubliCAN'Ts were for EXTENDING the TAX CUTS for the RICH in the HOUSE!! But they kept their damn mouths shut while the SENATE created a WALL that could not be penetrated, on top of SCARING Americans to DEATH; thereby raising POLL NUMBERS in their favor!! The Democrats, on the other hand, began "shaking in their BOOTS”, running like SCAREY CATS; NOT capable of explaining and/or reassuring the American people that we’re on the right track and they lost their GUTS and was not able to stand up against the RepubliCAN’Ts for what they BELIEVE!!!
So I am saying this – the Democrats may have a RIGHT to FIGHT now – and I agree with MOST of them that the TAX CUT issue was NOT handled right – But it’s TOO LATE!! This should have been a CAMPAIGN ISSUE and most likely, a lot of them would NOT have lost their seats!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!
as they rail against Obama's compromise with Republicans (who, by the way, will have a lot more votes and control of the House next year), how about this thought: Where were you last fall?
Nowhere, as it turns out. And now, the president has cut a deal. And the Democrats who oppose it have little high ground. Obama called his opponents "sanctimonious." He's right.
The President, ONCE AGAIN, got it done, because the Pussiecraps couldn't bust a move to save their grannies when they had the time AND votes to do it
So essentially, time to shut the hell up, suck it up, and stop being mealy-mouth, two-faced whiners.
Back up the President and pass the necessary votes for this compromise. It is NOT the ideal situation but you pussy-footed, dragged your feet, and generally were too SCARED to do anything significant when you had the time. You should be grateful that a deal was reached because otherwise you would've been left holding the proverbial bag (of nuts).
The bottom line, is that this "deal" will add 900 billion to government spending, which is absolutely unacceptable, and the Congress MUST reject this "deal" for the good of the country, even if the tax cuts expire, across the board.
Kill the deal. Let the tax cuts expire and the estate tax to renew. Wait 3 months. Then call in the pubbers to talk it over. Obama could get his entire agenda passed, including single-payer health care, cap-and-trade, repeal DADT, and anything else he wanted if he would only allow a tax cut for the rich. Understand, folks, the only people the GOP cares about is the richest 2%, and the only issue they care about is tax cuts for that richest 2%. It's their only weakness, and Obama needs to exploit that weakness ruthlessly.
"This means jobs and increased government revenues, something new spending by stimulus was not effective at. Broadbased economic growth will be powerful for addressing our nation's debt and budget deficits."
I'll use your post, Four, to make my apologies to the unemployed for my rant yesterday. It is they who are most affected by this compromise, and had things not worked out well enough for my family, we might have also been as devastated financially as these folks have been.
Having said that, I look forward to all the jobs that will now be created by the upper 2% ... in fact, I will become as persistent a thorn of "where are the jobs, Boehner" as all you GOPers were with Obama. In truth, nothing has changed from the past 10 years of wealthy tax cuts, other than perhaps the wealthy holding JOBS as hostage to further their own agenda of ensuring their continual tax breaks.
... Understand, folks, the only people the GOP cares about is the richest 2%, and the only issue they care about is tax cuts for that richest 2%.
Nice try, Gonzo. But if you look at what Republicans really are fighting for it is lower taxes for everyone. A smaller more efficient Federal Government will allow our economy to recover much quicker and to a higher degree. This will reduce unemployment significantly. How many of the " richest 2%" do you think are standing in unemployment lines? I'll give you a hint. Not many.