Washington (CNN) – Has the Republican Medicare plan undermined the GOP's 2012 election hopes?
Republicans say no. They hope voters will reward them for taking on a tough issue. But Democrats say yes, and now they're pointing to the surprising results of a special election in western New York to back their claim.
Republicans are in for a rude awakening next election cycle cause they have shown their true colors. They have aligned themselves with the wealthy, and the far right with no room for inclusion for anyone else.
Grow up. No one wants to do nothing and we all knkow we can't continue spending beyond our limits. What the American people are sick and tired of is being lied to by the conservatives. The election was to be a referendum on the health care act and producing legislation that led to job growth. Instead, the Republicans have attacked the old, the poor, women, TAX-PAYING citizens who belong to unions and public broadcaasting. At the same time, they actually want to increase the tax deductions for the wealthy and big oil.
In other words, we know we need to get our financial house in order, but do we want to do it on the backs of the old and poor? NO! the wealthy and corporations need to do their fair share. Subsidising oil companies who are on trac to earn 140Billion in PROFITS is insane.
Anyone who thinks we can fix our budget problems without addressing SS and Medicare is not facing reality. I am not saying Ryan's plan was perfect, but he is the first to truly try to deal with one the problems. It was a good point to start a discussion.
Claiming the Ryan Plan is a good starting point is the spin cycle the Republican Party plans to put on this fiasco. The Ryan Plan was never intended to be a starting point, it was intended to be the end game. It was the answer to the Affordable Care Act. It was the realization of a long term goal among Republicans to first privatize entitlements, then later elimanate them by asking 'why is the goverment paying for this"?
Why do you think they have so rigorously defended it? They saw an opportunity, which was not really there, and tried to take advantage of it. They felt that they can tell the American public what to think (again) and that people would vote (again) as they are told.
Reince Priebus...damn the torpedos, full speed ahead; Pete Sessions of Texas...even GOD himself can't stop us now; Scott Brown...Icebergs, there's icebergs up ahead, ring out the alarm; Joe Walsh of Illinois...You should be ashamed of yourself mate,
those aren't icebergs...just the top of breaking waves.
Hey "day of wreckoning",
I think you're thinking of Republicans.... remember "death panels"? Remember the lies you continue to spew about, well, about everything?
LOL, how 'bout NY-26? guess the American people don't think much of your Republican plans to make this a fascist country controled by corporations.
'therefore the Democrats can continue scaring seniors with their lies and hiding the truth'
yeah next thing you know someone might start saying something really silly like 'death panels' to try to scare seniors.
When a government is in tough financial shape, cuts need to be made. Maybe voters would rather increase all their taxes by 10% instead? No? I didn't think so. It will always be more popular to "give" people things that others have to pay for. That is the Democrat way. But after decades of the Democrats doing this and their financial mismanagement, the golden goose has been strangled and is dead.
If this country and its states are going to survive, the entitlement mentality and the state and federal government that has grown to feed and grow it must be ended and dismantled. Asking our children, grandchildren and great grandclhilren to pay for todays expenditures is MORALLY BANKRUPT. It is GENERATIONAL THEFT. Our future generations of children have no vote in the matter yet will be saddled with these massive debts to repay so that somebody can get an entitlement today.
The bottom line is the Democrats and their give-me-everything-now entitlement base don't give a rats petooty about our childrens future. They want theirs now, even if it means we have to borrow money to give it to them and destroy our kids future, and the future of this country, in the process.
THIS is why the 2012 election will either be the beggining of the end of this country, or the beginning of the recovery of this country. Any young person would be insane to vote for a Democrat that wants to saddled them with tens of thousands of dollars of debt that they will have to work to repay.
Paul Ryan's plan saves Medicare from certain failure. The Democrats want to continue to deny, run it into the ground and let someone else deal with the obvious problems when they will be more difficult to deal with.
The Republicans will do just fine by staying with their current approach. People see what trouble government finances are in right now and it will get more difficult for the Democrats to continue spending and denying going forward. In spite of what DNC political consultants are saying, Americans are not stupid. They were smart enough to vote for getting government spending in control in November and they will finish the job in 2012 general elections.
"Ryan's brain fart of a Medicare Plan"
It's simple: the GOP wants to REPEAL & REPLACE MEDICARE....just like they said they wanted to do with the ACA. And no, the Dem alternative is not "bankruptcy" of the whole country.
The GOP gouged the federal government's income stream severely BEFORE cutting any spending...and in fact while increasing spending exorbitantly. Name me a single smart businessperson or "expert" economists who does that or would recommend it as "fiscally responsible" policy. Why did they do it backwards? Well, because they wanted the very problems we're dealing with now to occur all along. They were setting up their long-ball attempt at justifying "entitlement reform," which is the right-wing euphamism for getting rid of welfare, unemployment insurance, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security for the benefit of the ultra-wealthy and corporations, who really REALLY want a United States of Plutocracy. The simple solution is to put the taxes back where you found them...i.e., restore the revenue...UNTIL sensible, rational, reasonable solutions can be proposed for cutting spending WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE to cut spending. You right was was done wrong FIRST, THEN come up with solutions that make sense. What was done wrong FIRST? The Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, which were made BEFORE spending cuts. The solution is not simply accepting the eviscerated revenue stream as "all we're gonna get" and then applying rthe ideology of resentment and broken economic theories to arrive at the conclusion that it requires obliteration of all societal safety nets that created the middle-class and our standard of living in the first place. Personally, if I were in office, I wouldn't talk spending cuts until the first wrong was righted...then and only then does it make sense to start putting cuts on the table.
People of the United States of America,NYS GOP and the Liberal Media,
Here is a typical example of how the TEA PARTY screwed itself and allowed a Democrat to win.Vote Tally for the Election:
Republican;42%,TEA PARTY;8%...Democrat;48%.Hello,42%plus8%=50%.The Democrate had 48%.Last time I looked 50% beats 48%.The TEA PARTY SCREWED the Republicans out of winning the election.
So here is the deal all you Hatfields or McCoys err Republicans or Democratics, the public is fickle and has the collective analytical thought processes of a 5 year old. They know things arent going well but they still want "stuff". Washington has obliged them for years, trouble is the gig is about up, if nobody really want to talk economic reality then we will just keep marching as Lemmings to whatever tune the politicians of the moment feel will play best to get re-elected. The day the Republicans and Mr. Ryan tried to fly some of their economic reality at the public was the day that guaranteed the political pendulam was about to swing back. Perhaps the Dems can get control of the house and have monopoly once again and every one will get the stuff they crave but lets not forget they couldnt even agree on a budget amongst themselves until the election season was over and it was far overdue, what are the chances they can agree on anything in the next budget? Sure you can tax the wealthy some more and you can start to "bring the troops home" but unfortunately that just isnt enough anymore, serious austerity is the only way out of this and I really doubt if our government has the political fortitude to try to sell that prescription to the voters.
People are starting to connect more of the dots than Republicans give them credit for. You can't imply that nothing in going to get done in government unless the tax cuts for the rich are extended and then turn around and say if jobs are lost then so be. it.
Until I hear that military spending is going to be looked at seriously, then any reasonable hope of budget reduction is a farse.
"Blame it on the bossa nova" cause the republicans are still living that far in the past. They think the republican party stills stands for something over than, greed, dishonesty, tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor, more and more money in corporations pockets, the continued ruination of America. The egos that have exploded and added to global warming.
The republicans prove over and over and over they can't govern. Now if we could get rid of fox that can't tell the truth about news this country might still amount to something.
Democrats once again prove that are the dumbest creatures ever to roam the earth. The medicare bus is heading toward the cliff and democrats want to keep the foot on the accelerator.
As NY26 goes, so goes the nation.
Repubs may learned now that the average American will support their nonsense and twists and turns to benefit the rich and corporations.....until it starts hitting that average American's pocketbook.
The republicans and their plan might be taken more seriously if they didn't keep insisting that taxes and defense spending are off the table. They are such hypocrits with their talk of "Free Marlets" while fighting to continue subsidizing the most profitable industry on earth (oil). I hope republicans stick to their guns and continue to stand on principle so that American voters can see just what further damage they can wreak on this country.
I have to add a PS. someone posted that Bush II stole social security funds. He along with all presidents since Reagan have. But Reagan the Saint is directly responsible for this. During the time he was in office he gave the rich and corporations such huge tax breaks he couldn't balance the budgets, not even close. So he decided to take social security out of it's special stand alone fund and put all those SAVED BILLIONS in the general funds and use it to balance HIS WAY OUT BUDGET. One of the first ones, like the one Paul made and the GOP is trying to pass. So when people quote St. Ronnie I think the first thing you all should do is say blame him for the social security mess....THAT IS IF THERE IS ONE. And most people don't believe it is as bad as the republicans want to make it.
As a WI resident that has watched Scott Walker totally destroy the well being of our state, the peace and harmony of our citizens through his draconian measures, the way he's solidifying his power by literally dismantling state agencies left and right and reserving all those powers for the Governors Office, the way he's axing clean water regulations here, getting rid of most of the DNR, getting rid of elected positions and replacing them with appointed ones...
Yeah, you guys DO NOT want this. I'm telling you, WI is gonna look like a frontier town in 10 years if we don't figure out some way to stop this guy and the dump trucks of money being used by the Koch Brothers to turn our state into a Corporate playground for the super wealthy.
Just yesterday Scott Walker eliminated scholarship programs for needy kids here in WI. His reasoning? It makes them dependent on the state. Give me a break...
It may be too late for WI, but it's not too late for the rest of you that live in states where the Tea Party hasn't taken over...SAVE YOURSELVES!!! DO NOT LET THESE FOOLS INTO YOUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!
This will put the fox/republican "machine of lies" in to high gear. This should be fun as the Repubs try to deny the fact that they all voted to end Medi-caid, while totally freaking out the simple-minded bafoons of tea-bagger klan.
Let the games begin!
It's about special interest and not caring about any one program. When one party chooses tax cuts for the rich over feeding the hungry children of this conutry ( proposed $800 million cut from WIc) one has to ask which party really has their moral in the right place. Hiding behing values and deminstrating the opposite is all the proof I need. This deficeit issue is a lie..If we can a trillon dollors to bail out the banks we can find a trillon dollors for what ever social cause arrises.
"Did you ask them if they instead preferred left wing USA bankruptcy and the end of Medicare all together?"
Apparently you haven't been paying attention to Ryan's Budget, which in effect, does end Medicare all together (unless you are of the mindset who thinks giving out vouchers actually will save Medicare) while giving the upper 2%ers ANOTHER tax cut above and beyond the extentions they received in Dec. 2010. Thankfully those living in the very, very RED NY District 26 HAVE been paying attention, and didn't like what the GOP is offering ... or not offering, as the case might be.
Thankfully, those in the very, very Red District of NY HAVE been paying attention.
Asshame – you've been fooled, but I'm sure it's not the first time. Ryan's plan of ending medicaid doesn't fix the budget. It just deverts about thirty percent of the money to corporations. It's not a good start, and it shouldn't be part of the discussion as the only ones who would even consider it are the people (27%) who watch the nonsense on fox.
Wait a minute.... is that you Sara??
Nothing can be fixed without an increase in taxes and slashing the defense budget. The maths just don't add up.
The funny thing about republicans is,they bank on the stupiditty(thanks cnn) of you!!
They run the same scam every cycle they just attach the same talking points to the next foolish plan that has been handed down by the great OZ of the right!
Bush wanted to privatize SS,and a year after the people said no,
The stock market crashed?now let's privatize ALL of health care while the economy is very fragile(sounds like a plan)except beginning in NY!!
Nobody ever said no to reform,we say no to reforming totally on the backs of the poor and those who need the help,while giving the wealthy an even bigger advantage over us and allowing them to enjoy ALL of their welfare subsidies!