Washington (CNN) – Has the Republican Medicare plan undermined the GOP's 2012 election hopes?
Republicans say no. They hope voters will reward them for taking on a tough issue. But Democrats say yes, and now they're pointing to the surprising results of a special election in western New York to back their claim.
Republicans, keep your tea-stained hands off of our medicare!
And here we go as with all the posts and all things Republican/tea-bagger – "we are always right, and we are always the victim".
This story repeats the false claim that Rep. Ryan's plan would not affect people 55 and older. Actually, Rep. Ryan's plan includes many of the same cuts in Medicare services contained in health care reform, without any of the benefits. It would have a particularly onerous affect on people with Medicare Advantage plans and substantially raise their out-of-pocket costs. It would eliminate the federal government's effort to the close the "donut hole" in the Medicare Part D plan.
When introducing his plan, Rep. Ryan used some sleight of hand to lead people to believe it would only affect those 55 and younger. But if you read his plan, the truth is evident that it would affect all seniors, and not in a good way.
New York woke up- now on to America! We cannot cut Medicare- We cannot cut Social Security.
Taxes to help Americans are never wrong.
We Democrates will pull together in 2012 in force! Our American way of life is at stake! Every liberal and independent American over 18 years old "Should really be active against Gop because: Ryans Plan will involve you paying your parents and grandparents "Medical Bills". There will be no Nursing Home for them(not affordable), So you must think about "Housing your aging relatives also! GOP-NOT FOR ME!! Think Man-Think!!!!
The GOP-Tea Party are NOT trying to FIX medicare....but rather kill Grandma medicare as we know it!!!
GOP putting medicare in the hands of private health insurance providers to be traded in the stock market, 401K & IRA accounta...and giving grandma vouchers to pay for their healthcare bill @ skyrocketing cost while passing off huge tax deductions & tax breaks to their wealthy WALL ST fat cats buddies is straight up...death panel for our seniors!!!
GOP medicare plan....killing grandma!!!!
Repugs constantly beat the drum that we cannot afford medicare but no one questions that we can afford 11aircraft battle groups (while no other nation has more than one), a $2 trillion war of choice and trillions in tax cuts for the rich. It would be a step in the right direction if the U.S. realized that we cannot afford to provide military protection for Japan, Korea, and a military adventure every 10 years. Spending the money for what is necessary would go a long way to balancing the budget.
To highlight gross incompetence, look at history. Who ever heard of a country going to war with a very expensive volunteer army and simultaneously implement a massive tax cut so the public won't feel the burden. No draft and no cost, no wonder we don't have street demonstrations against the war of choice.
American voters, in this first case NY, realized that Ryan's plan was misnamed. Instead of "Path to Prosperity" it should be called the "Path to Ruin!"
Good to see thoughful Americans rejecting GOP/Tea Party radical social engineering that would benefit the rich at the expense of seniors and less fortunate.
The issue of out of control health care cost are not addressed by Ryan's plan. Although Ryan's plan provides for choice it does not ensure that it is affordable. The vouchers are useless as insurance companies will just keep raising the cost to reap more profit. Secondly with Ryan's plan I see no reason for people under the age of 55 to continue to pay into a system that they will not reap any real benefits from. People seem to forget that Social Security was self sustaining until our Congress people broke into that account and raided it. Yet they leave their own pension account untouched. Why not FORCE congress to repay the money back to the Social Security system from their own pension and salary account as they created this problem?
Notice All right-wing media outlets buried this story?
Fox on line didn't put the story up until late this morning?
And the papers put this story somewhere near the cut out coupon section?
I wonder why?
If Brown's special election was a "referendum" on socialism and Obamacare, then NY-26 is certainly a referendum on Medicare. You revisionists are amusing.
You GOP "christians" need to bone up on the scriptures, this heathen remembers something about "removing the log from your eye"?
These stupid, over-reaching GOP Neanderthals are going to get what they deserve on Election Day!!
Nice job Ryan and Boehner – BTW, where are the jobs and the job bills you campaigned on? What's that? The American people aren't the idiots you thought they were? WE WANT JOBS!!!!! Not abortion bills and laws that throw our elderly under the bus. What part of jobs don't you understand?
Man the repubs are screwed. They have taken their far right lunacy to far and people from their own party are even starting to see it. Obama/Biden 2012
never beleive these nation's number one thugs...GOP idiots..
This is a good warning for people who believe in voting republican , if we the people allow republicans to control all branches of government , we well have mass chaos and a very poor poor country of trying to resolve our financial woes, all because republicans chose to throw everyone into the poor house and then in turn blame Obama , Their policies are geared to benefit the upper 1 % of this country . Just look at their policies . You cannot trim a deficit with cuts alone , new taxes will have to be raised and yet republicans keep telling themselves that we c an cut all social programs without raising taxes ..............................again they are lying to the masses . Wake up people these republicans do not have any interest in helping the average American .
When there is a big shift like this one. There must be something big which caused it to happen so. Even if there was no exit poll taken, obviously it is about fixing medicare. The other reasons are minor guessing!
"I am not saying Ryan's plan was perfect, but he is the first to truly try to deal with one the problems. "
Not really, but even taking it as true that he's at least the first to put forth a proposal, it's not exactly the right first step to put forward a purposefully extreme/radical and disingenuous proposal like scrapping Medicare and replacing it with a vouchers program that would limit seniors to something like $15K per year in vouchers for purchasing private insurance from private insurers who (a) would not in a million years want to insure them in the first place and (b) if forced to insure them, would cost well beyond the amount of the vouchers and (c) have been and are still jacking up premiums and will be well into the future because Ryan's fake plan does nothing to control costs other than rely on more of the GOP's megical thinking "free market" econmic pixie dust. Why would Ryan and the GOP propose something that's waaaaaay out in right field and basically kills Medicare in the long run? Well, either they really do want to kill Medicare or they thought an extremist opening bid would give them massive negotiating leverage to force a right of center bargain on Medicare...you know, assuming that all their angry Astroturf Frankenstein Teatroll compatriots just went along with it because of their heightened sense of resentment and misinformed undereducated understanding of the world around them. In other words, it's political games...not a realistic and honest attempt at a solution...and they're finding out that people not only don't like their proposal but that they don't like that it was political games either.
Ashame, you are absoutely right and in Ryans plan if you can afford it you can get whatever you want while the poor will be given more to cover their plans. The irony here is that Ryan's plan actually makes the "Rich pay their fair share"
The only plan the Dems have is President Obama's where they will CUT medicare by 500 BILLION to help pay for their extreme health care plan. CNN and the rest of the liberal media will not tell the whole truth, they will only parrot the LIES, SMEARS AND SCARE TACTICS PUT OUT BY THE DEMS.
In a word......yes!
America's self proclaimed "accountant" and resident social engineer, Paul Ryan seemed quite a bit less concerned with deficits
and operating budgets while voting for wars and Medicare Part D soirees back in the Bush era than he is today while
trying to appease the rabble rousing elements of his dysfunctional political party.
Yup, it will be interesting to see how long he keeps the train on this track.....
When Nancy Pelosi visited Winsconsin last week, she was asked so if you democrats don't like our plan (republican plan) what and where is your plan (democrat plan) Pelosi kindly said yeah we got a plan, it's called MEDICARE! I love it and I miss Nancy Pelosi cleverness.
people right here in Florida is waking up already. Maybe must of you don't know but last week Jacksonville elected a democrat candidate for mayor. Yes, Jacksonville a very, very conservative florida town. And this is only the beginning. Watch out Repubs. America is waking up. Thanks god
I don't have enough faith in the republicbagger voters to think they see what the gop is doing. The dem have a year and a half to screw this up. More to the point, the republicbaggers have a year and a half to spin and rewrite history and their position. Ryan is already blaming the dems for "scaring" elderly. What a baffoon. He has scared his own party. He is the bin laden of American politics. He fooled his followers once, he can easily cow them again into voting for him. Gotta be some sort of IQ test for voters. Also, republicbaggers at some point need to take responsiblity for their own uneducated choices. Wisconsin, this means you! Minnesota, you are not too far behind! God bless the stupidity of paul ryan and the boener congress.