BLITZER'S BLOG: When is a tax increase not a tax increase?
June 24th, 2011
04:19 PM ET
3 years ago

BLITZER'S BLOG: When is a tax increase not a tax increase?

Washington (CNN) – I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised that Vice President Joe Biden’s efforts to work out a deficit reduction deal with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl collapsed over the issue of raising taxes on the wealthy.

Republicans are firmly opposed to raising taxes on anyone. Democrats want to see those families making more than $250,000 a year pay more income tax.

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  1. Sniffit

    Desperate to make sure the narrative stays negative towards Obama for the weekend or what? How about informing everyone that Van Hollen explained today that the Dems were fighting to get rid of the preferential tax treatment for private corporate jets (they get a better deal than commercial airlines)? That they were fighting to end subsidies to Big Oil? That they were proposing a responsible phase out over time of the obscene tax breaks given and inequitable deductions available to millionaires? The GOP is demanding a one-sided "you give us everythign and we give you nothing" deal on raising the debt ceiling. Cantor walked out because he was going to walk out no matter what the Dems asked for...it's their favorite tactic to try to use brinksmanship and ramping up the crisis in an attempt to gain leverage. This article is stilted crap, even for CNN.

    June 24, 2011 04:27 pm at 4:27 pm |
  2. Sniffit

    Mad about the "threat" to your income, Wolf? Is that why you reduced it all to taxes being raised on families making fmore thatn $250K and skipped all the other tax reforms the Dems were putting on the table that were even less palatable to the GOP and their corporate and ultra-wealthy masters?

    June 24, 2011 04:29 pm at 4:29 pm |
  3. Democrat Class Warfare - Destroying the economy, destroying the country

    Democrats want to see those families making more than $250,000 a year pay more income tax.
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    The Democrats plan is to take (or borrow) more and more from fewer and fewer people (those that work, earn and produce) in order to give it to more and more people in our country who do not work, earn and produce.

    Sure like a great plan to end up like the old Soviet Union, bankrupt and extinct. The Democrats plan is to steal and redistribute.

    June 24, 2011 04:32 pm at 4:32 pm |
  4. Lost in Texas FOREVER

    the American public last I saw supports this very much, yet the GOP just ignores things in the polling that doesn't favor them. I hope the Dems and President Obama stick to their guns this time and stop giving in to the GOP. They always get the short end of the stick when they do.

    June 24, 2011 04:38 pm at 4:38 pm |
  5. Sniffit

    "The Democrats plan is to steal and redistribute."

    You mean like the GOP has been helping corporations and the ultra-wealthy do to the vast VAST majority of this country for the past 30+ years? THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE. The middle-class and poor have been robbed blind for the past few decades. We've frickin had it...so they can do it the easy way with equitable tax changes or the hard way with guillotines. Go read Anatomy of A Revolution and learn something about what happens when the descent into plutocracy finally p-sses off the masses.

    June 24, 2011 04:48 pm at 4:48 pm |
  6. Rick McDaniel

    Since the wealthy include almost all of Washington, it is no surprise they don't want to tax themselves.

    However, not only are the wealthy going to have to pay more, but with only 45% of all households paying ANY income taxes, it is obvious that the poor are not paying anything, either, and that is also unacceptable. So, my proposal is to require a minimum Federal income tax, that everyone MUST pay, so they at least are contributing something, and so that the wealthy cannot avoid all income taxes, as many do now!

    June 24, 2011 04:49 pm at 4:49 pm |
  7. Sniffit

    "it is obvious that the poor are not paying anything, either, and that is also unacceptable."

    No. It absolutely is not. The poor pay no taxes because they can barelyl feed themselves. You want the poor to pay taxes? MAKE THEM NOT POOR: GET CORPORATIONS TO PAY FAIR WAGES INSTEAD OF THE SAME WAGES THEY'VE BEEN PAYING FOR 4 DECADES. You want to get rid of welfare and Medicare and Medicaid and other societal safety nets and social "entitlements"? The answer is simple: GET RID OF THE NEED.

    June 24, 2011 04:51 pm at 4:51 pm |
  8. A Real American

    Rick McDaniel
    "Since the wealthy include almost all of Washington, it is no surprise they don't want to tax themselves.
    However, not only are the wealthy going to have to pay more, but with only 45% of all households paying ANY income taxes, it is obvious that the poor are not paying anything, either, and that is also unacceptable. So, my proposal is to require a minimum Federal income tax, that everyone MUST pay, so they at least are contributing something, and so that the wealthy cannot avoid all income taxes, as many do now!"

    Actually, the "45% who pay no income tax" pay a much higher percentage of their income in taxes when you add in state, local, sales, sin taxes, property taxes, etc. A flat tax would be a great deal for the rich. The rest of us, not so much. The top tax bracket is the lowest it's been since 1951. Many corporations pay no tax at all. Sorry, richies, time to pay the piper.

    June 24, 2011 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  9. Marie MD

    When is a tax increase not a tax increase? That's easy.
    When the party of hell no, except for the rich and big corporations, doesn't make they pay more and continue to lie to the country about the rich creating jobs which they haven't done so in the last 10 years!
    @rickmcdaniel – you want the poor, who don't have any money to pay taxes for money they don't have or make while the rich and super rich and billionaires (the 2% of the population) continue to swim in money and don't pay taxes. Nice!! NOT

    June 24, 2011 05:02 pm at 5:02 pm |
  10. A Real American

    Democrat Class Warfare – Destroying the economy, destroying the country
    "The Democrats plan is to take (or borrow) more and more from fewer and fewer people (those that work, earn and produce) in order to give it to more and more people in our country who do not work, earn and produce."

    You're absolutely right. The working class does all the work and the freeloading banksters and Wall Stret gamblers get the lowest taxes since 195. It isn't fair

    June 24, 2011 05:02 pm at 5:02 pm |
  11. A Real American

    Ooops. 1951.

    June 24, 2011 05:02 pm at 5:02 pm |
  12. Democrat Class Warfare - Destroying the economy, destroying the country

    You mean like the GOP has been helping corporations and the ultra-wealthy do to the vast VAST majority of this country for the past 30+ years? THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE. The middle-class and poor have been robbed blind for the past few decades.
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    Interesting as I have been around all those years as well and have done alright. Of course, working hard, getting an education, saving, building for the future might have something to do with that. Self reliance and independence, not expecting anybody or any government to do a blasted thing for me. Unlike you, I don't look to blame others as *I* am in control of my life.

    We've frickin had it...so they can do it the easy way with equitable tax changes or the hard way with guillotines. Go read Anatomy of A Revolution and learn something about what happens when the descent into plutocracy finally p-sses off the masses.
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    Ah yes... the peaceful leftists... just gotta love them. But after you take everything and destroy it and kill off all the people that produce, WHAT THEN??? It will not last forever. I guess you'll turn on each other, just like cannibals. Why don't you just stop blaming OTHERS for all your problems and start building your own life? Wouldn't that make more sense? Or is it too much work for you?

    June 24, 2011 05:14 pm at 5:14 pm |
  13. kat

    Only our government wants to penalize hard working Americans who are successful. We should be rewarding people for success and get the lazy thugs off our backs. GET A JOB! They are out there, if not we wouldn't have such an immigration problem, it's just easier to sit on your duff in a project somewhere and let the gov. take care of you.

    June 24, 2011 05:15 pm at 5:15 pm |
  14. Annie, Atlanta

    There's been statemets (rumors) around the internet since Obama was sworn in that the Republican party was doing everything in their power to make this President fail, in order to regain control of all branches of government. It's starting to look like more than just rumors. The problem I see with this plan is all but the very rich go down with him. How long are we going to let the GOP destroy us before we say enough? And when do we call what they're doing treason? I hope we're a little more aware through the next elections because, good God, we're not going to survive their destruction.

    June 24, 2011 05:17 pm at 5:17 pm |
  15. A Real American

    Because all poor people are lazy and all rich people woork so hard...

    June 24, 2011 05:18 pm at 5:18 pm |
  16. A Real American

    "Interesting as I have been around all those years as well and have done alright. Of course, working hard, getting an education, saving, building for the future might have something to do with that. Self reliance and independence, not expecting anybody or any government to do a blasted thing for me. Unlike you, I don't look to blame others as *I* am in control of my life."

    The plural of anecdote is not dataset.

    June 24, 2011 05:20 pm at 5:20 pm |
  17. Annie, Atlanta

    kat – do you really believe that? I don't. It's just another way of calling it trickle down economics. How's that been working out for you? For any of us? We've tried it for 30 years, and we've nearly destroyed ourselves in the process. When you have billionaires appealing to congress to tax them more, maybe your way is wrong. Did you ever think of it that way? I'm not holding out for much hope.

    June 24, 2011 05:20 pm at 5:20 pm |
  18. Annie, Atlanta

    kat – by the way, we have the lowest tax base in 60 years. How can you even justify what you're saying, faced with that fact?

    June 24, 2011 05:21 pm at 5:21 pm |
  19. Republic reprentative Cantor and Sen. Kyle walked out on the Debt Negotiations, because they refused to raise taxes . . .

    on people earning more than $500,000 per year, oil company subsidies and airplane owners
    GOP ready to blow up the American economy to help their rich benefactors. Nothing new. Same old Republic warfare against the middle class and working poor.

    June 24, 2011 05:26 pm at 5:26 pm |
  20. Sniffit

    "the peaceful leftists"

    You can resort to your trite nonsense all you want. I never claimed to be peaceful and in case you hadn't noticed, the widespread agita is growing. The GOP and their plutocratic masters will find out the hard way if they keep the country's wealth distribution on the same trajectory it's been going.

    As for the rest of your nonsense, pretendnig that people who are poor are stuck where they are because they're lazy, good for nothing, uneducated, unambitious, etc., might help you sleep at night, but it shows a remarkable callousness to the truth of the situation and a remarkable ignorance of all the sociological and economic studies and data proving your age-old EXCUSE for not caring and being unwilling to do anything about it simply isn't true. You'll think differently once your high horse has been turned into glue.

    June 24, 2011 05:26 pm at 5:26 pm |
  21. Randy

    They way I figure it, I didn't pass the laws that got us into all this crap. Why is does my paycheck have to be smaller to help them get out of what they, the government, got themselves into. The way I see it the gov is just a middleman that needs his cut of everything. Make all goverment programs voluntary, if they are good ideas, people will support them.

    June 24, 2011 05:36 pm at 5:36 pm |
  22. Name king

    When will these repugs get off the policies that have tanked our economy for the last 10 years. The rich are richer than any time in American history. Obama has went to countries all around the world and got them to invest in this country. But the rich suck up all the money, and refuse to put America back to work. I stead they put their trillions of dollars inmother countries to abound paying taxes, which are the lowest in 50 years. Then send their repugs attack dogs to scream budget deficit crisis, while they pay taxes on their trillions to other countries. We need money to circulate in america not in other countries. And when are these repugs going to write job bill so that the president can sign. This is getting past ridiculous.

    June 24, 2011 05:38 pm at 5:38 pm |
  23. Republicans - The "Not Intended To Be Factually Accurate" Party

    Until such time as journalists prepare in advance for squirming, double-talking politicians and those journalist have the professionalism to force answers to the questions being asked instead of letting politicians regurjitate their "TALKING POINTS", then we won`t make progress.

    Too many American citezens hear"tax cut" and say, "Yeah, who doesn`t want that, of course I support the Republican position."

    What journalists should then be required to do is to point out that such actions have consequences. That is, if they want to claim to serve some noble purpose endorsed by the 1st Ammendment.

    Walter Cronkite wouldn`t let politicians slide the way Blitzer and some of these wimpy "hosts" of shows do.

    Cronkite would follow up and say, "Alright, now you know that no tax increase means ___, right? Are you willing to accept that?"

    That brings the talking point full circle and forces the pandering politician to own up to the consequence of his actions.

    Where are those types of journalists?

    June 24, 2011 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
  24. Democrat Class Warfare - Destroying the economy, destroying the country

    You can resort to your trite nonsense all you want. I never claimed to be peaceful and in case you hadn't noticed, the widespread agita is growing. The GOP and their plutocratic masters will find out the hard way if they keep the country's wealth distribution on the same trajectory it's been going.
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    Oh, I'm absolutely sure the left can be quite violent, as they have shown all over the world. I'm sure you would fit in quite nicely with the rioting leftists in Greece. But destruction of a system and a country is NOT A PLAN. What is your BUILD PLAN?? Destruction is easy, building is not.

    As for the rest of your nonsense, pretendnig that people who are poor are stuck where they are because they're lazy, good for nothing, uneducated, unambitious, etc., might help you sleep at night, but it shows a remarkable callousness to the truth of the situation and a remarkable ignorance of all the sociological and economic studies and data proving your age-old EXCUSE for not caring and being unwilling to do anything about it simply isn't true. You'll think differently once your high horse has been turned into glue.
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    The world is not a fair place, never has been, never will be. My experience has shown the bed you make, is the bed you deserve. If you allow others to make the bed, don't complain about it you ingrate. And should my high horse be turned into glue, it won't be that far behind you.

    June 24, 2011 05:43 pm at 5:43 pm |
  25. Limbaugh is a Liberal

    There IS a redistribution of wealth in this country. And the proof of that is that in the past 3 decades the top 5% have increased their ownership of wealth and of income by 25%, much of it through awarding themselves stock options without actually doing ANY extra work!

    June 24, 2011 05:44 pm at 5:44 pm |
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