(CNN) - He may not agree with the vote in New York to legalize gay marriage, but former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said the Republican Party should butt out of the bedroom and stick to fiscal policy.
"I think the Republican Party would be well advised to get the heck out of people's bedrooms and let these things get decided by states," Giuliani said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "We'd be a much more successful political party if we stuck to our economic, conservative roots."
Giuliani, who is considering a run for president in 2012, has long supported civil unions. Although he said he believes marriage is between a man and a woman, he can "live with" the legalization in New York.
"I think it's wrong, but there are other things that I think are wrong that get decided by democratic vote," Giuliani told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley. "I see more harm, however, by dwelling so much on this subject of gays and lesbians and whether it's right or wrong in politics."
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", , , , ,and let these things get decided by states." Here's the problem I have with that: the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and all people, no matter what state they live in, have the right to equal protection, equal rights. A state does not have the right to decide that one class of citizen has fewer rights than another. Consenting adults should be able to marry the person they love and commit to a life-long relationship with each other with all the same rights any other couple. They should not have to move from state to state just because a bunch of hate-filled people decide to impose their beliefs on others. If anyone wants to protect the sanctity of marriage, the biggest threat is infidelity! Do you see any of the self-righteous anti-gay folk trying to outlaw infidelity? Hmmmmm.....?
The biggest problem the GOP has – and has had for some time now – is that its agenda is dominated by the religious theology of the evangelical movement, aka the religious right. Or in this case, the "religious wrong." They are on the wrong side of a civil rights issue (again), and the result is an exclusionist, sanctimonious tone in the party that, frankly, has no place in politics. I have been a member of the party for decades, now, but these issues are driving me to consider leaving the party altogether. I did not vote for your preachers; I don't want them dictating MY government's policies.
The best thing the conservative movement in the US could do is to flat out just drop the social conservative religious base. The party may have short-term losses but would make great strides in the long-term. Myself and many, many others who avoid the Republican brand would become converts if the party were based on small government and fiscally conservative principles while leaving the so-called moral high ground completely out of the picture. The socially conservative and fundamentally religious in the US are about as far as you can get from the real American ideals of "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" – quite a pathetic lot really. The very principles they champion extend only so far as everyone is in agreement with their life philosophies and beliefs when the real truth is that they actually champion bigger government and more interference for anyone not aligned with their religious beliefs or perceptions of truth.
hmmmm Giuliani would be their first real candidate.
Let them stay out of same sex marriage and abortion and a bunch of other things as well. There are social issues they seem to believe they should have control over which they shouldn't.
Has anyone noticed, the more single-minded the focus, the bigger the zealot? Zealots don't care about the larger issues, i.e., the country's economy, they're interested in their little, meaningless obsession, in this case, who gets married to whom and why.
So if the GOP stays out of it, and the Dems are for it, who's going to tell bi-sexuals or polygamists they can't marry two or more people? It's very disengenuous to say that gays aren't treated fairly but deny people the right to marry multiple partners. It's not a far fetched argument, because the polygamist in the show Sister Wives has already filed a lawsuit to decriminalize polygamy in Utah. I would say the state is getting in his bedroom, wouldn't you? I am against polygamy, but the concept stands: you can't give homosexuals the right to marry, but deny polygamists or bisexuals and call it fair, end of story.
The "new" GOP, owned and run by some very far right fringe types, really have nothing to run on. They always destroy the economy when in office, but like to talk about conservative fiscal values. They run up the biggest deficits ever. So when they cannot run on anything substantial, because their record is so bad, they run on gays, god, abortion, and fear mongering.
That is one of the few things Guliani has said that I agree with.
If Republicans stand for individual freedom and getting the government out of our personal lives, the most obvious place to start is the bedroom. It is none of our business, even if we find some mutually consnting behavior revolting.
Stick to running the country like we would run our businesses to last a long time and provide for our kids and grandkids. That's what Republicans are supposed to be good at, so stick to the knitting.
Rudy, they won't. The GOP is too convinced of its moral superiority to allow this.
It's pretty disturbing that one of our two major political parties is unable to think in terms of specifics. Really? You want people making important decisions who only base it on principles and never think about specifics? Is that a wise choice for a political leader? Do you even care about wisdom at all?
Agree with Guilaini for once.
Giuliani was an impressive Mayor. Best wishes for him to be confident of becoming a popular politician.
It is quite ironic how the Republican party boasts itself as the party of less government oversight and control, yet they care so dearly about what people do in their own bedrooms. Hyprocrites through and through.
If only the rest of the GOP candidates had the same mindset as Giuliani.
Actually it took GOP votes to pass gay marriage through the NY Republican controlled Senate, showing that Republicans are beginning to come around. What I would like to know is that with Republicans voting in favor of gay marriage or actively butting out as Mayor Giuliani advises why is Obama still officially opposed to gay marriage? Why does Obama continue to perpetuate the descrimination against gay men and women. His "I'm evovolving on the issue" idiocy is just a failure of Presidential leadership and makes him look two faced and weak!!!!
Why don't they feel the same about Abortion? its none of my business what a Woman, I don't know, does with her Body/Life, nor should it be the party of NO's...
Ladies and Gentlemen: The Republican candidate is now on deck. Someone the not-crazy Republicans can vote for. I don't agree with him, but at least Rudy doesn't sound like a nut. States rights never guaranteed civil rights in the past and I don't believe it would happen now. But this Democrat would like to have a Republican run that would try to muzzle the clowns.
We need an amendment to the Constitution allowing people to do what they wish with their bodies, without interference from the government as long as they are not infringing on that right in another person(s).
Nothing divide the country than bringing religion into politics, and the republican do just that. Nothing more hypocritical than voicing against big government yet peeping tom on the people bedroom, what is it? another form of socialism? The state dictates whom you should marry? Republican party is the root of serious problems in this country. When was the last time we have a republican president that really care for the well being of the people? I have not seen after 40 yrs. They all send people to wars. They all cut taxes for the richest of the rich. Where is the good republicans? Dick Cheney? John Boehner? Wow, they do look alike, don't they? I meant look at their eyes, they don't have any affection for anyone but their own family crowd. They are blood thirst aliens.
Libertarian: Because Conservatives want control of your bedroom....Progressives, while granting you the former, want control of EVERY, THING, ELSE....
I am frightened by the idea that a Republican has suddenly become a voice of reason. Next thing you know you will see one become civil and respectful toward his/her opponent and even attempt to reason with dialogue and discourse.
Weird comments out here. Morality shouldn't be an issue of the Federal government. We do have bigger problems than these agendas right now that affect everyone.
I am a Republican and I absolutely agree. When did this even become a right/left issue?? I believe in individual freedom. I believe a stable committed citizen whose rights are respected is a productive happy citizen. This is a no-brainer! It is very much in the conservative interest to encourage family stability and this helps. Thank God there was no real republican candidate in new York. Cuomo has begun the exact same program I would have if I were governor!
Might be the first time I actually agree with Giuliani about anything!