Editor's Note: CNN's Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger will have more with Congressman Paul Ryan Wednesday on "The Situation Room" with Wolf Blitzer.
Washington (CNN) – With the debt ceiling negotiations stuck in a circular loop, Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan remains steadfastly opposed to the so-called 'Gang of Six' budget plan-despite the fact that it partly resembles his own budget proposal.
"The virtue of their proposal is that they say you need to lower tax rates for economic growth," Ryan told CNN's Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger. "The Gang of 6 [plan] is five pages of talking points, it's not an actual plan, what we're looking at as we get into the numbers is – they're not adding up.
"It's a big plan, it's a big idea, we shouldn't cut deals like this in a back room," he said. "We should do it in public, with committee hearings, and amendments…instead of rushing something through in 48 hours which will completely remake all of these plans in government."
Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman whose proposal has become a target for Democrats, made it clear he does not object to closing tax loopholes.
The issue, he said, is you need to close those tax breaks at the same time congress reforms the tax code.
"We've always said let's close loopholes in order to get tax code more competitive. The problem is if you just take away the loopholes without doing tax reform, then you take away the fiscal space to do tax reform," Ryan said.
"You never do tax reform and then you don't get economic growth. See here's what we're trying to focus on – we want to get this economy growing and get people back to work, and we want to deal with the problem which is spending."
Ryan's view that spending is the culprit is shared by his Republican counterparts-and it's the essence of the debate that has kept the parties from any agreement on raising the debt ceiling.
The GOP view is simple: if you raise revues (that is, taxes) you reduce the need to cut spending. And according to Ryan, Congress needs that pressure.
"Spending has grown – we're seeing spending at rates which we haven't seen since WWII, and so we want to focus on that," Ryan said. "When we go down the tax increase route, you're taking the pressure off of the need to deal with spending," he said.
The House passed a bill on Tuesday that promised to cut and cap spending-with a promise to balance the budget without relying on tax increases.
"We had a 'Gang of 234' members of Congress put legislation on the floor," he said, acknowledging that the measure is not going anywhere in the Senate.
"If we gauge ourselves by, 'will it go anywhere or will it not go anywhere?,' then we'll never get anything done," he said. "I think it's important to put up ideas and put up plans."
And so far, that's all congress has done.