Washington (CNN) - Democrats on the so-called "super committee" proposed during a closed meeting Tuesday a $3 trillion plan designed to slash the federal deficit but Republicans swiftly and decisively rejected it because it relied heavily on tax increases, according to several congressional sources from both parties.
One top Republican aide described the Democratic offer as "outrageously absurd" and a "non-starter," and a sign the super committee may ultimately fail. But this is the first time in the months since the committee began its negotiations that any group in the committee has offered a specific plan.
Democratic sources told CNN that at the meeting Tuesday the ten-year plan was presented to the 12 member committee by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Montana, the Finance Committee chairman. A majority of the 6 Democrats on the super committee supported the proposal but sources declined to say which member or members disagreed.
It would include cuts to entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid, which the Democratic sources described as a major concession from their party. In return Republicans were asked to go along with between $1.2 and $1.3 trillion in new tax revenue.
Congressional Republicans have been nearly uniform in their opposition to new taxes, particularly during the economic downturn, and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, made that point during Baucus's presentation.
The GOP aide accused Democrats of leaking details of their offer to the press and said it is a clear sign Democrats believe the super committee will fail.
"It's because they know, or they think, or they believe this committee is going to fail," said the GOP aide who insisted on anonymity in order to discuss the highly sensitive negotiations. "So they need a marker saying this is where we are."
The GOP aide went on to say the development is a sign that the talks are "deadlocked" over the issue of whether or not tax increases should be part of a deficit reduction plan.
A Democratic aide close to the committee rejected the accusation that Democrats are the source of the leak.
“This is a serious proposal that includes real concessions by Democrats and the kind of balance that Americans support in a deal. It’s time for Republicans to face the fact that getting this done is going to mean setting their pledges to Grover Norquist aside, dropping the gimmicks, and making concessions on real revenues,” a Democratic aide said.
Democratic sources made a point to say that Tuesday's offer in the "super committee" was an attempt by Democratic members to reach for a 'big deal' and go beyond the $1.2 trillion in deficit savings required by the August debt ceiling agreement.
Multiple Democratic sources characterized the Democratic pitch as picking up where negotiations for a "grand bargain" between President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner left off when talks fell apart in late July. During those negotiations the two leaders were discussing a deal that included more than $400 billion in Medicare and Medicaid cuts over 10 years and increased tax revenue of between $800 billion and $1.2 trillion.
The committee faces a fast-approaching deadline of November 23rd to reach agreement and vote on a deficit reduction deal of $1.2 trillion or more to avoid across-the-board "trigger" cuts that would go into effect in 2013.
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The new revenue proposal must have been a doozy.......the amount specified, would be double the "Buffet tax" proposal made earlier. That sounds like a tax increase on everyone, to me.........except of course, the 50% of people paying ZERO taxes, already.
The details are essential, in that proposal, in my view.
"What part of this do Democrats not understand?! The folks on Medicare/Medicaid have nothing left to give!"
Realize a couple things, please:
First, the cuts in the trigger are to provider payout amounts, not benefits.
Second, most doctors in fields most likely to be treating large numbers of Medicare patients, like say geriatrics, oncology, etc., are far too dependent upon the Medicare dollars to simply throw up their hands and say "I'm not taking Medicare money anymore!"
The GOP/TP sold out America when the signed the no tax pledge to Grover Norquist. They are all traitors to the USA.
No matter what the poll says, the moronically greedy GOP bunch will continue its punch on the middle class. Their fostering the rich will, in all likelihood, fester and falter into their demise in 2012 elections. We would like to see the countenances of the imbeciles like Boehner, McConnel and Kantor when they are jettisoned out of their offices, sooner or later. We simply CAN NOT WAIT to see them go!
"Why does the GOP hate America?"
We took away slavery and segregation and gave minorities the right to vote. We took away government based on religious tenets. We took away male dominance and control over women and gave women the right to vote. We took away child labor, $0.25 per day subsistence wages, and 7 day work weeks. The list goes on and on. Honestly, there's not much left for the GOP/Teatroll types, so it's not so much that they hate America, it's just that it's not the America they wanted it to be and so they see destroying the federal gov't in order to give all power to the states as their only means of getting those things back.
I, for one, am shocked and awed. Really.
They will fail. Everyone knows that, and everyone knew that before they even started. The "trigger" cuts don't go into effect until after the 2012 elections, so they all figure they can fix whatever gets broken later. It isn't going to change. No matter who wins the white house, it isn't going to change. What you see is what you get for the next 5, 6 years at least. We are so screwed.
If you want to know whats hurting the middle class its Oblamo. During the first two years of his term, under a democrat run congress, unemployment has gone from 7.3 to 9.1 and the Dems blame the rich. Right. Good one. Its all the stupid regulations bottling up economy. Remove half the regulations and companies will be able to start growing. This is not the fault of the wealthy. Its the fault of the man who feels government should control every aspect of everyone's lives.
The committee members were suppose to go into the meeting with open minds.
Well shut my mouth wide open – what I surprise! I am surprised that it took this long for those conservative Republicans to torpedo this thing.
I am so sick and tired of two parties fighting for their political lives while the AMERICAN PEOPLE's Lives are at stake and being affected by all this childish dribble. Let me make it perfectly clear, Read my lips... you folks need to get your stuff together, and start thinking about me, or I and millions of my fellow AMERICANS will sit you little kids in a corner and put a DUNCE cap on you. YOUR carreers will be over, and not even the corporations that have been glad handing you for so long will touch you. Why even your DOG will not lick you any more.
This congress is starting to make the Italians and Greeks look well managed!
GOP, they just don't get (it)
Call me "Shocked".
One of these posts noted that GOP means "Greed Over People! which is absoutely correct. The Repubs are almost laughably idiodic in demanding stupendous cuts including to social programs a vast majority of Americans absaolutely depend upo, but they would rather F–k the contry rather than agree to a nickel of new revenue comin g from those who who can afford it and are clearly and totally underpaying. Namely, the "Filthy Wealthy 1% who continue to suck the rest of us 99% dry. I am going to laugh my ass off on election day 2012 and open a a bottle of cheap chanpagne when
the bought and paid for Republican muscle and henchmen of the big corporatioins and the "Filthy Wealthy" are totally destroyed at the ballot box by average Americans who can clearly see how pig headed, selfishm greedy, and immoral the vast majority of Republicans have become and how arrogantly they boast of their servitude to the rich.....
Why is it when the democrats come up with a bad proposal and the repubs vote against it, the media says the repubs are hurting the economy? Why not report about the 15 bills in the Senate the Dems have blocked. Oh, wait, I forgot this is CNN.