(CNN) – Controversy is brewing in Arizona as the state Senate considers a bill that would give all businesses the option to exclude contraceptives from health insurance coverage.
Supporters say such a law would protect the religious beliefs of employers, while critics assert the tradeoff would be an affront to the liberties of employees.
I'm not sure why an employer or the government fund birth control? Why can't people pay for this themselves if they want it?
What has happened to the Republican party?
By your logic, then all medications and prescription drugs should be excluded from health care plans. Apparently, you are not informed enough to know that a large majority of women who take these are not doing so for birth control, but for other women's health issues.
Dave, people ARE playing for their own birth control, THROUGH THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. People pay premiums to the health insurance. The President is saying that contraception should be covered under the policy that people pay for. Get it?
By your logic, then all medications and prescription drugs should be excluded from health care plans. Apparently, you are not informed enough to know that a large majority of women who take these are not doing so for birth control, but for other women's health issues
Bill. But that's not what Rush, and the other talking heads/oracles of the right say. All they see is birth control and nothing else so in their warped minds, any funding is automatically 100% going to killing little clusters of cells
Women pay for waxing, make-up, pedicures, manicures, shoes, purses, highlights, hair extensions, breast implants, wine, spa, facials yet they can't pay for their own birth control or an abortion? It is time women take responsibility for their financial spending and put birth control and abortion expense ahead of a pedicure, manicure, etc... Women need to be financially independant and stop relying on government or their employer to pay for their birth control or abortion.Women are making higher pay these days than most men. Instead of buying a $65 bra trying buying an $18. bra and leave the extra money in the bank for birth control or abortion.
Told you this was coming, didn't I? This is just a end run around Affordable Care Act. It is also settled law. Conservatives are counting on the fact that most people do not know that the question of individuals and groups selectively disregarding whatever law they see fit has already been rejected by the courts. The same question comes up in a variety of cases and scenarios, but the issue is still the same. Does the 1st Amendment give one the right to disregard government laws? Nope.
....Women need to be financially independant and stop relying on government or their employer to pay for their birth control or abortion.............
I am surprised that you have not suggested that their husbands should pay for it.
Dave, you're right. The "government" shouldn't pay for it. Then I'm just going to stop taking it because I can't afford it on my own, have a slew of children, end up on Medicaid and you and the rest of the population can absorb the cost of me and all of my children's healthcare. Thanks for your insight.
Talkytalk: " Women are making higher pay these days than most men." Care to tell us where you found that bit of information?
The real story is that they are also trying to srtike a law that specifically prohibits these emlpoyers from terminating an employee for seeking those services (or, say, an abortion) outside of the employer's health plan. That's right. They want you unemployed if they have deemed you a "sl-t."
Next on the agenda: mandated tattooing of a scarlett letter "S."
Unbelievable that in 2012 with all the problems both domestic and international facing America that this is even an issue.
I live in AZ. Our Republican Legislature makes neanderthals look advanced. Our Governor and Legislature failed basic Civics classes, and so virtually every law created and signed of late (except the really bonehead ones like creating a state gun) wind up challenged and failing in court.
For the rest of the nation here is the warning- elect Republicans, and you get Arizona- a place that hates working class Americans, believes in Socialism for the rich and corporations, threw 300,000 poor people off of Medicaid, promotes misogyny, has ruined public education, made meals for poor students optional, has created a paid by the state militia (outside of the National Guard); hates Hispanics; wants to curtail voting and civil rights; hates gays; and just yesterday passed a law in the house declaring Arizona has soverignty over all of its lands- negating Clean Air and Water Acts, EPA regs, and more.
Republicans are the express elevator to the 1880s.
@Talkytalk – Are you for real? Telling people how to make their own choices in their lives? Perhaps if you need gall bladder surgery, you could have economized and paid for it yourself, rather than expecting your insurance company to pay for it. What about Viagra or a knee replacement so you can hit a golf ball farther? Do you drive the most economical car, live in a $350 apartment, never eat out, eat only the cheapest food from the store, never go on vacation, etc? It's funny how some conservatives who don't want anyone telling them how to live are pretty quick to tell others how to worship, who to marry, and how to conduct their private lives.
Hey Rudy, go shopping with a woman, learn the cost of a pedicure, manicure, waxing, eyebrow design, hair coloring, added up all these expenses at the end of a month and you will be shocked at how much money women spend in a month and yet they say they have to rely on our government or their employer to pay for their birth control or abortion? I am surprised that you are willing to pay for women's birth control or abortion while women spend so much on their purses, high heels, jeans, make-up. Seems to me most women have a serious money managing problem.
Hey Mikey, get over it. You actually have the nerve to compare a gallbladder surgery, knee replacement to birth control expense or an abortion expense? Seriously, you are okay with a woman spending $180 on a purse, $125 on heels, $64 on a bra and a weekly pedicure, manicure, highlights, waxing and not have money left over for birth control or an abortion? Sell that story to someone else. I doubt you would pay for a woman after you would see her spend so much in a month on herself.
So, I say if a company doesn't want their health insurance plan to cover contraceptions then it shouldn't cover things like Viagra. If we have companies that want to restrict what their health insurance covers like contraception, then have the company directly cover all child care expenses of the woman who accidentially gets pregnant because she can't afford the contraception. It shouldn't matter if she is married or single.
I assume then, they will also eliminate coverage of vasectomies and tubal ligations (Roman Catholicism) and any blood transfusions (Jehovah Witness), but I don't know how they protect the religious beliefs of Christian Scientists. Perhaps to eliminate all treatment of any kind.
"Hey Rudy, go shopping with a woman..."
I'll do it...just as soon as you repeat everything you just said verbatim to a couple ladies while within arm's reach of them.
@Talkytalk, go golfing with a man and see how much he spends on: his outfit, shoes, balls, tees, clubs, greens fees, carts, drinks, smokes (maybe cigars), lunch at the turn, dinner and drinks after. Then watch as he needs insulin for his diabetes, pills for his high blood pressure and of course Viagra for his ED issue!! You have no argument!
I hope you have no relationship, as you sound like you would treat your significant other like someone who is not on equal footing as you. Women are still being underpaid in comparison to men on every level.
This is 2012, please join the rest of us!
Talkytalk, I have gone shopping with a woman, and I can tell you that no woman I know has requested a government subsidy for manicures, pedicures, etc because none of those things have to do with healthcare. If a woman choses to spend that kind of money, its her business, but I doubt the majority of women are doing what you suggest. In many households, it is the woman who keeps the family afloat with the budgeting, so to imply that most women have a " serious money managing problem" is misogynistic on a good day. However, you do seem to have a serious reality management problem: using "The Real Housewinves" series as a benchmark does not provide you with a window into reality.
repos won't stop untill they have full control of womens rights and set them back 100 years. Idaho is ready to pass law requiring a cat scan befor eany abortion. And the individual woman will have to pay fo. Dispite protest the legislature just pushed it through. Wake up. How can they mandate some things and then say we shouldn;t mandate health care. Hipocrates all of them.Every state that has a repo govoner is pushing this stuff. So it will be a gestapo government with the wealthy in charge run buy christian right who screw around but think as long as you go get saved or repent you can get away with anything. But at least you will be baptised.
Wow...just wow. What a pathetic country you are turning into. The world watches... stunned.
How is this even an issue? If you pay your own premiums why shouldn't birth control be a part of that? Are they going to stop covering Viagra and Cialis? These people are taking us back in time instead of moving forward. What's next, reversing the Emancipation Proclamation? Repealing voting rights for women and blacks? How far will this go? This is simply a smoke screen to keep people from focusing on the fact that the economy is coming back. The most insane part of all of this is that ANYONE would think this is a major problem.
Talkytalk – From the mouth of ignorance your comments stem from.....because you associate with some of these women, doesn't "all" women spend that kind of money on a monthly basis. Don't take a sampling to imply everyone....typical of a concervative idealogue. Mikey, well stated as a retort to Talkytalk's babbling!