Even health reform critics say quit repeal talk
July 2nd, 2012
03:22 PM ET
2 years ago

Even health reform critics say quit repeal talk

New York (CNNMoney) - The Supreme Court's decision on health reform brought a sigh of relief from small businesses. Whether they love or hate the new rules, they like certainty.

They could draw up business plans for next year. They could choose to hire or not.

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  1. Sniffit

    Yeah, of course, repeal talk causes uncertainty and prevents businesses from planning, hiring, etc...THAT'S PRECISELY WHY THE GOP/TEATROLLS WILL KEEP BLABBERING IT.

    July 2, 2012 03:32 pm at 3:32 pm |
  2. demwit

    Nice angle..., lets stop talking about healthcare, the massive debt, slumping economy and sorry @ss job market too..., anything that might highlight Obama's broken promises..., right! Jose?

    July 2, 2012 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
  3. Sniffit

    GOPers/Teatrolls just can't help themselves...they open their mouths and lies just fall out. The individual mandate penalty is not even remotely close to the biggest tax hike "int he history of the world" (as Limbot just claimed today). In fact, it pales in comparison to some other recent ones:

    Reagan gave us the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 – It amounted to a 0.98% tax increase.

    GHWB, Ombnibus Budget Reconciliation ACt of 1990 – 0.50% increase.

    Clinton, Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 – 0.63%

    Obama, ACA's individual mandate provisions – 0.029% based on CBO predictions of how much revenue it will generate.

    So again, the numbers don't lie, GOPers/Teatrolls do.

    July 2, 2012 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  4. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    Now that small businesses feel a sigh of relief, it would also be a relief if the Repugs in Congress would just "do their job" instead of crying about "undoing Obama's job".

    July 2, 2012 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  5. cali girl

    Amen to that. This was bickered over time and time again, all the Tbaggers and GOP griping about it, then shoved it up to SCOTUS. Sorry it did not turn out how you would like GOP, but DEAL WITH IT! The Supreme Court spoke. All your crying and complaining will not change that fact.
    Millions who have pre-existing conditions are rejoicing. We will to be dropped from insurance and our policy can not be doubled because of it.
    I knew a girl at 6 who had leukemia. The medical insurance promptly dropped her policy. She died because the cancer came back and the family could not afford the 12K a month in treatment. With the Affordable Care Act no parent will have to face that choice.

    July 2, 2012 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  6. Rudy NYC

    Why should the right wing stop trying to scare the daylights out of people a few months before a general election? The main goal is to keep fear and uncertainty at maximum anxiety levels. They cannot stop talking about "repeal and replace" because they have nothing else to talk about that is even remotely positive. Not even the Romney/Ryan Plan, which could cost triple what the ACA costs. At least the ACA generates revenue.

    The Romney/Ryan plan "predicts" jobs growth which in theory increases revenue. Okay, for argument's sake I will buy into that theory just so I can shoot it down. Because just when the economy starts to show real growth and unemployment drops significantly, the fools will enact another dumb tax cut for the "job creators" putting us further into annual deficit and instead of positive surpluses.

    That is exactly what they will do. That is exactly what they have done. (Remember, Bush had a round 2, folks, just like Reagan.)

    July 2, 2012 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  7. Wire Palladin, S. F.

    The GOP want to repeal ACA, social security, VA benefits, medicare, wall street regulations, clean air requirements, fuel efficiency standards, minimum wage law, equal pay for women, Roe v. Wade, and women's reproductive rights. All this on day one of a Mittens regime.

    July 2, 2012 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  8. Thomas

    This healthcare Bill is a step in the right direction.

    The Republicans have always done everything in there power to do nothing !

    Unless it protects there corporat profets , people are not corporations. Unless your in South Korea !

    July 2, 2012 04:04 pm at 4:04 pm |
  9. Steve, New York City

    It never ceases to amaze me how the far right always seems to convince uneducated people, living in trailer parks, to vote against their own economic interests.
    The majority of personal bankruptcies in the US occur, because a hard-working person gets sick and cannot cover their medical expenses. De-regulation was permitted to an absurd level – and too many insurance company mergers have allowed insurance companies to hold both patients and doctors hostage.

    July 2, 2012 04:06 pm at 4:06 pm |
  10. Bill from GA

    mitch mcConnell said yesterday that his number one goal, if repugs take the Senate, would be to repeal 'ObamaCare'.

    I can't think of another American politician who disgusts me more. Doesn't care about jobs, the economy, or making his country a better place for future generations. Just, to repeal 'ObamaCare'.

    July 2, 2012 04:08 pm at 4:08 pm |
  11. Donna

    So 2/3 of the country is against this plan as it stand, and yet we are expected to be good little kiddies and just stay quiet?? The government works for the people, not the other way around, lets get real here!!

    July 2, 2012 04:09 pm at 4:09 pm |
  12. Joan

    Every time someone is interviewed and he or she says she doesn't want to be told to get health insurance, I hope that they are asked what they do if they get sick. If they or members of their family go to the hospital emergency room, how do they think that gets paid for?. Do they think they have a doctor fairy? Actually that is paid for by everyone who does pay for health insurance. Is that fair? No! People with low income will have subsidies to get the insurance and businesses under 50 employees are not affected. The cost effect that this is going to have on average people has been so exaggerated and overblown by Republicans and the media. Just like the Tea Party got all of the coverage at town hall meetings two years ago, the media seems to like to fan the fires and create lots of fear and controversy. Wouldn't it be nice to have truly fair and unbiased coverage?

    July 2, 2012 04:14 pm at 4:14 pm |
  13. Rudy NYC

    from the article:

    That rule has long worried Gary Kneller, who opposes the added cost. The president of CareMinders Home Care in Atlanta doesn't offer health insurance to all of his 130 employees, most of whom are per diem and work on a short-term basis. Benefits would be too expensive, he said.
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    That is one of best examples of misleading, or misinformed, statements from a non-politician that I have seen on this subject. He claims that most employees are per diem, which means that those employees are responsible for their own everything when it comes to taxes and benefits. He doesn't have to deduct any taxes from their checks, and does not have to offer them health care. If you do not know what per diem means, look it up. They are contracted workers.

    I don't see how the owner can even call them "employees". Imagine outsourcing jobs to an individual who shows up to your job site., instead of working at another location.

    July 2, 2012 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
  14. GuyinVA

    I'm not an attorney, so I have what I guess is a legal question. If SCOTUS says the individual mandate is valid only as a tax, and the administration says it is NOT a tax, do they have the legal authority to collect it? It is legislation passed by congress and signed by the President. My understanding is that it isn't called a tax, and the administration insists it is not a tax, it's a penalty. SCOTUS says the ACA is not valid as a penalty. So, if anyone from the executive branch tries to collect a penalty, assessment or whatever from someone, is that someone legally obligated to pay?

    July 2, 2012 05:13 pm at 5:13 pm |
  15. chilly g

    i have had enough talk and screaming about health care law. that is the republicans can never kill health law
    completely now that the supreme court has spoke. so they can scream all they want but law is final.

    July 2, 2012 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  16. ThinkAgain

    The largest tax hike in 100 years was brought to you by .................Ronald Reagan. Check out the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982.

    More interesting facts to all you folks who think Repubs are better at managing money than Dems:

    - Spending during Reagan's two terms (FY 1981-88) averaged 22.4% GDP, which was well above the 20.6% GDP average from 1971 to 2009.

    - Public debt rose from 26% GDP in 1980 to 41% GDP by 1988 (a roughly three-fold increase).

    - The unemployment rate rose from 7% in 1980 to 10.8% in 1982, then declined to 5.4% in 1988 (note, this was after 11 tax increases by Reagan).

    July 2, 2012 05:36 pm at 5:36 pm |
  17. Rudy NYC

    GuyinVA asked

    I'm not an attorney, so I have what I guess is a legal question. If SCOTUS says the individual mandate is valid only as a tax, and the administration says it is NOT a tax, do they have the legal authority to collect it?
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    It is a semantics issue: glass half full or glass half empty. But, it goes further than that. By declaring it a tax, it is now arguably a spending measure. Spending measures are immune from a filibuster in the Senate, through a process known as Reconscilliation. That means a simple 51 vote majority can pass a spending measure in the Senate. That is why conservatives want to call it a tax, and the administration wants to call it a fine or a penalty.

    By any definition, taxes are levied against *all* people and not just some. The IRS charges people "penalties" when they break the law and do not file income taxes. The liberal argument is that this is no different, because people would be breaking the law by not having health insurance and therefore subject to a penalty.

    July 2, 2012 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
  18. gr8usa

    Yes, please stop trying to allow insurance companies to discriminate against me again.

    July 2, 2012 06:03 pm at 6:03 pm |
  19. J.V.Hodgson

    Do we all remember how republican kept complaining about uncertaint of taxes effects and other uncertainties on small businesses. Now they are creating the uncertainty by these repeal threats.
    after the whole process cuulminating in the SCOTUS vote" Republicans in Congress" have there nose rubbed in it. = you got this wrong but still they do not even liste to small business owners who are 3% of all business anyway the rest over 50 employees know exactly what to do and have a potential to negotiate lower rates via the exchanges
    Pleae republicans stop wasting time on repeal and try to pass improvements like no penalty damages except in the case or gross ow wilful negligence by docs that will help reduce premiums.
    Regards,
    hodgson.

    July 2, 2012 07:15 pm at 7:15 pm |
  20. Sue

    Of course Obama/Democrats and the MSM supporting Obama do not want any more talk about Obamacare--and the fact that it is the largest tax ever forced on citizens of our country!! They interview 4-5 people and say......"Well then, that settles it--people do not want to talk about Obamacare any more". WRONG!! Citizens/voters throughout the country will be made aware of Obamacare--and the fact that it is the largest tax forced on citizenzs--in the history of our country!! And, Obamacare and the tax increases that go with it--will be exposed until election day!!

    July 2, 2012 08:40 pm at 8:40 pm |
  21. S.B. Stein E.B. NJ

    The repeal is so unlikely because it would require both the House and the Senate to work together on this and have Republican majorities. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

    July 2, 2012 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm |
  22. Squigman

    No, please keep talking about how your party is going to go against the will of the people. The more you say it, the more determined I am, to vote for and campaign for any and all democratic issues and causes. Please, go ahead.

    July 2, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm |
  23. NATHAN WIMBERLY

    The unhinged GOBP couldn't care less about small business. Millionaires and billionaires are their puppetmasters. Obama/Biden 2012!

    July 3, 2012 05:30 am at 5:30 am |
  24. Republicans - "The Not Intended to Be Factually Accurate" Party

    Time for a pro-Dem PAC to start running ads . . . "little jessica has Hodgekins diesease. Under the Affordable care Act, which Republican politicians call Obamacare, Jessica is guranteed to recieve her LIFE-SAVING medical treatments. If those people opposing the President have there way and Obamacare is repealed, poor little Jessie dies". Don`t let Jessie die, Vote a straight Democratic ticket in November.

    July 3, 2012 06:27 am at 6:27 am |
  25. Stella

    What this article fails to mention–but we ALL KNOW, is that CAMPAIGNING and FUNDRAISING is all Mr. Obama does. He lacks basic leadership skills necessary to move this country FORWARD. Instead, he looks cute–and can read a teleprompter. But inside–he's a brick.

    July 3, 2012 08:07 am at 8:07 am |