Biden defends Obama's debate, casts Romney as flip-flopper
October 4th, 2012
04:18 PM ET
6 years ago

Biden defends Obama's debate, casts Romney as flip-flopper

Council Bluffs, Iowa (CNN) - In the face of bruising headlines and public opinion that President Obama did not bring his A-game for Wednesday's presidential debate, Vice President Joe Biden rallied to the president's side - disagreeing with dominant public opinion and essentially casting Romney as a flip-flopper.

"I thought the president did well. He was presidential," Biden said after reporters asked him about the president's widely panned debate performance.

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In the next breath, the vice president turned the tables – panning Romney's performance, instead.

"You just never know what … position that Governor Romney is going to come with," Biden said. "I mean, the centerpiece of their economic policy so far has been a tax cut. And last night I, we found out he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut."

"I guess he outsourced that to China or something," Biden added. "I don't know if that's off-shored. But it's hard to figure out what Gov. Romney's position is on a number of issues. But I think as time goes on, meaning days, it's going to become pretty clear that Gov. Romney has either changed a number of his positions or didn't remember some of his positions."

Biden's comments came during a stop at a Hy-Vee grocery store in Council Bluffs, ahead of a campaign in the city. They echoed a slam from the president himself. At a Denver campaign event, before Biden's, the president mocked that "the real Mitt Romney" could not have on stage with him.

Both men press that Romney has proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts that would help the wealthy and harm the middle class. Romney repeatedly denied that characterization and insisted his plan would not add to the deficit.

Independent fact checkers have sided against President Obama's claim.

Performing a fact check, CNN anchor John Berman ruled the claim as false because of Romney's intention to offset the tax cuts by eliminating as yet unspecified loopholes and lowering deductions.

Berman rated Romney's claim that his plan would not add to the deficit as incomplete.

Meanwhile, also ruled the president's claim as false.

Filed under: 2012 • Iowa • Joe Biden • Presidential Debates
soundoff (81 Responses)
  1. DENNA

    I think that President Obama did well. He was probably tired as he has a whole country to run. MIttens doesn't have anything to do all day since he doesn't work. He lives on his investments. I also think that the president was trying to take the high road. That was a mistake as he was walking it alone. Mr. Oily Smile Romney was busy easing on down the low road. Good place for him.

    October 4, 2012 04:23 pm at 4:23 pm |
  2. GOP = Greed Over People!

    Huffpo already has 10 "baseless claims" that Robme made last night.

    They have proven all were baseless(I am not as nice, Robme lied).

    Yes, we already know that the Fox trolls will cite the FACTS as "liberal media bias".

    October 4, 2012 04:26 pm at 4:26 pm |
  3. Critical Thinking

    Joe, don't worry about Romney's debate, I would start preparing ASAP and for pete sake, knock off the botox injections into your forehead. Your eyebrows are just about to touch your hair plugs.

    October 4, 2012 04:30 pm at 4:30 pm |

    Joe must have did some kind of Jedi mind trick on me because that's exactly what I thought: The President was Presidential. You on the other hand Mr. Vice President, you can get down right dirty with R&R. As far as these fact checkers go, if they say the President's claim is false and Willard's claim is incomplete, that just leads me to believe that since Willard won't tell us the SPECIFIC deductions he's willing to cut, I'm even more inclined to believe that the President is right that Willard is going to make his cuts on the backs of the middle class. If not, he needs to tell us what he's going to cut. And leave Big Bird out of it!

    October 4, 2012 04:31 pm at 4:31 pm |
  5. Jim R

    Poor Biden got caught Looking in the Mirror again!

    October 4, 2012 04:35 pm at 4:35 pm |
  6. ernest

    i believe obama told the truth and mitt lies all the time

    October 4, 2012 04:38 pm at 4:38 pm |
  7. Sniffit

    "Both men press that Romney has proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts that would help the wealthy and harm the middle class. Romney repeatedly denied that characterization and insisted his plan would not add to the deficit."

    Mittens' cuts create a $5T revenue hole and he HAS NOT STATED ANY SPECIFICS OR DETAILS ON HOW HE WOULD FILL IT. How many dead grandmothers without Medicare does it take to fill that hole? How many middle-class families not making mortgage payments due to increased tax burdens does it take to fill that hole? The point here, and it was abundantly clear that this is the point Obama was making, is that Mittens has done nothing but make a bald promise to make his tax cuts revenue neutral...HOW? He wants to add to defense spending and he wants to add to Medicare spending by getting rid of all the savings in the ACA...YOU CANNOT DO THAT AND BALANCE THE BUDGET AND MAKE A $5T REVENUE HOLE WITH TAX CUTS AND NOT INCREASE THE TAX BURDEN ON MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES. The ONLY way to make what Mittens said true is to simply take his word for it, which is LITERALLY AND EXPLICITLY what CNN and have done. John Berman literally said he was ruling Obama "false" solely based on assuming Mittens was telling the truth. THAT IS NOT FACT CHECKING. THAT IS ARRANGING A CAREFULLY MANUFACTURED NARRATIVE.

    Apparently, according to CNN and, candidates should be able to propose a whole bunch of stuff that simply doesn't add up mathematically and then say "I promise I'll make it add up" and POOF! Magically, they've told the truth and you can no longer criticize the FACT that their promises don't add up because you have to take their word for it. That's total BS.

    October 4, 2012 04:45 pm at 4:45 pm |
  8. Leede

    Slow Joe and the facts just don't mix. Blunders and misrepresentation is his line of work and anything beyond that is too much heavy lifting.

    October 4, 2012 04:46 pm at 4:46 pm |
  9. Thomas

    i believe obama told the truth and mitt lies all the time.

    Your right , I want a President , not a used car salesman , no offense to used car salesman.

    Romney acts like he went to the Ronald Reagan acting school . It's funny to me that some Americans would rather go backwards .

    Romney + GW Bush 2012

    October 4, 2012 04:47 pm at 4:47 pm |
  10. Norm

    Thats not news.
    Romney has been a liar a flip flopper and a panderer since day one.
    But the FoxTools are eating it up.

    October 4, 2012 04:49 pm at 4:49 pm |
  11. rla

    Want to see spin watch Obama/Biden try to make a silk purse from a sows ear!!! What a pair to be running the country- Can't wait for election day

    October 4, 2012 04:49 pm at 4:49 pm |
  12. Romney Said Let Them Eat Cake

    @Greed Over People: Thanks for the info. Romney is such a mixed up person. He is starting to forget what lies he has told. What a rude arrogant control freak Romney is. Everyone knows you don't lead a country like you run a business.

    October 4, 2012 04:50 pm at 4:50 pm |
  13. Rich T

    It doesn't matter if Joe shouts from the mountain tops that Romney is a flip-flopper. Romney looked stronger and smoother last night, and that's all people see. The American people in certain regions of our country are by-and-large stupid. To them is not's appearance and "feeling". Obama needs to stand up and grow a pair. This election is absolutely his to lose.

    October 4, 2012 04:51 pm at 4:51 pm |
  14. Gurgyl

    This nation is clearly seeing. Obama needs to more aggressive in next exchange debates. He should be very nasty at 47%, Bain capital, taxes.

    October 4, 2012 04:53 pm at 4:53 pm |
  15. NVa Native

    So when his lies catch up to him, what will Mittens do after he loses the election? Retire from employment he doesn't have while still raking in $20 million a year and only paying 14% in taxes?
    Poor Mittens having to go back to his life of luxury and detachment from the little people who have to work to survive – which is another thing he knows nothing about.

    October 4, 2012 04:54 pm at 4:54 pm |
  16. rosco

    All i ever hear from this admin is excuses, well they are like armpitts everyone has them and they normally stink.
    Man up Obamamammy & Buckaroo Biden are the joke of the century, do the country a service go away

    October 4, 2012 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  17. BLKMANinAmerica

    "You just never know what … position that Governor Romney is going to come with," Biden said. "I mean, the centerpiece of their economic policy so far has been a tax cut. And last night I, we found out he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut."..........................just an I statement here but it appears to me Romney really and truly does NOT have any plan for America. The only thing he is intrested in is getting as much $$ out of America as possible and to 'heck' with everyone who might try and stop the REAL world it's called extream-GREED.

    October 4, 2012 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |
  18. CSM. J D

    Obama had a off night know doubt most due to the amount of lies Mitt told and him agreeing with the President so much. But he was most likely focused on doing his job and ordering the drone strike that just killed several top Alqueda leaders today 5 to be exact. Leadership without big talk something the republicans will never understand

    October 4, 2012 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |
  19. Anonymous

    Well i believe as far as im concern no matter wat happens at the end Obama will win the debate as far as i read & listen he'll win the race..... thanks

    October 4, 2012 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  20. Paul Ernest Show

    Romney has a personal character flaw that is not presidential. Is he going to take this dishonesty to the international community?

    October 4, 2012 05:08 pm at 5:08 pm |
  21. cali girl

    President Obama certainly was the bigger person, and came across as Presidential. Robmey being true to form, spouted lie after lie and quoted many things that were no where near the point. Robmey wants to cut education, when President Obama called him out on that because Robmey wants deep cuts to teachers, police and fire. Robmey could only say that he had one school in the state that was ranked number 1 in the country. Big whoop.

    October 4, 2012 05:13 pm at 5:13 pm |
  22. Jack

    Biden better come to the debate with his A game & by that i mean his immense talent in Shadow Puppetry - he's gonna have to use every distraction to try to throw Ryan off

    October 4, 2012 05:17 pm at 5:17 pm |
  23. Think American

    If not to make it easier for himself to further his wealth, and that of his cronies, why would Romney want to be President? If Obama fell short last night, it was only for failing to mention that Romney views 47% of all Americans as powerless "victims" who don't take responsibility for their own lives. Remember that Romney is a man whose American footprint is sending $ off shore, and closing plants to further his own interests. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, how could he e know what it's like to work for wages below poverty level.

    Patriotism is the act of all Americans standing together, not a few wealthy Americans using the rest of us to further their own interests. Get up America, act, and when you do cast your vote for our president, Barack Obama!

    October 4, 2012 05:17 pm at 5:17 pm |
  24. Borderless

    Regarding Holy Tighty Whitey Willard's comment: And what kind of people does that "Jedi mind trick" work on again. Oh. That makes sense.

    October 4, 2012 05:19 pm at 5:19 pm |
  25. n

    I saw a face now in the crowd saying nothing yet talking loud. Some people were blinded by the hype. I'm surprised that the media were fooled as well. A lot of "to do about nothing" was the epitome of Romney's buffoonery at the debates last night. Thus goes the dummying down of america if they think Romney to be a clear winner. Let the hunger games begin.

    October 4, 2012 05:21 pm at 5:21 pm |
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