Biden defends Obama's debate, casts Romney as flip-flopper
October 4th, 2012
04:18 PM ET
6 years ago

Biden defends Obama's debate, casts Romney as flip-flopper

Council Bluffs, Iowa (CNN) - In the face of bruising headlines and public opinion that President Obama did not bring his A-game for Wednesday's presidential debate, Vice President Joe Biden rallied to the president's side - disagreeing with dominant public opinion and essentially casting Romney as a flip-flopper.

"I thought the president did well. He was presidential," Biden said after reporters asked him about the president's widely panned debate performance.

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In the next breath, the vice president turned the tables – panning Romney's performance, instead.

"You just never know what … position that Governor Romney is going to come with," Biden said. "I mean, the centerpiece of their economic policy so far has been a tax cut. And last night I, we found out he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut."

"I guess he outsourced that to China or something," Biden added. "I don't know if that's off-shored. But it's hard to figure out what Gov. Romney's position is on a number of issues. But I think as time goes on, meaning days, it's going to become pretty clear that Gov. Romney has either changed a number of his positions or didn't remember some of his positions."

Biden's comments came during a stop at a Hy-Vee grocery store in Council Bluffs, ahead of a campaign in the city. They echoed a slam from the president himself. At a Denver campaign event, before Biden's, the president mocked that "the real Mitt Romney" could not have on stage with him.

Both men press that Romney has proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts that would help the wealthy and harm the middle class. Romney repeatedly denied that characterization and insisted his plan would not add to the deficit.

Independent fact checkers have sided against President Obama's claim.

Performing a fact check, CNN anchor John Berman ruled the claim as false because of Romney's intention to offset the tax cuts by eliminating as yet unspecified loopholes and lowering deductions.

Berman rated Romney's claim that his plan would not add to the deficit as incomplete.

Meanwhile, also ruled the president's claim as false.

Filed under: 2012 • Iowa • Joe Biden • Presidential Debates
soundoff (81 Responses)
  1. Gurgyl

    Joe, please raise your voice, eat good before you come, relax, hit the shot and look into people's eyes at homes, stores, hotels, etc. please be strong. WE ARE BEHIND YOU. Obama12.
    Tell clearly Paul Ryan budget plan to ban Medicare, vouchers., ban SS etc., god bless!!!

    October 4, 2012 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  2. jaimie

    Romney and Ryan ........ Laurel and Hardy of the 2012 Presidential Campaign

    October 4, 2012 07:06 pm at 7:06 pm |
  3. jaimie

    Romney ....... No honesty No integrity

    October 4, 2012 07:18 pm at 7:18 pm |
  4. jaimie

    Romneyhood ....... Give to the Rich take from the poor

    October 4, 2012 07:20 pm at 7:20 pm |
  5. Wake Up People

    Mitt answered every question posed to him. He also had substance and facts to back up his answers. Obama did not answer anything. He fumbled and mumbled his way around the point, never making sense or giving a clear answer. I love how people keep saying "It's simple mathematics. Mitt is going to cost the middle class. He isn't telling anyone what his plan is." If you still think that you are plain stupid. He said he is going to close loopholes of which there are many. He said he is going to cut back tax deductions and credits. He said in doing this, it will create jobs. MOREHe admitted that there are many ways to go about doing these things and that he would talk it over with congress to come up with a bipartisan plan.

    October 4, 2012 07:23 pm at 7:23 pm |
  6. Wake Up People

    More jobs means more taxes being paid. You don't have to raise taxes to take in more money. I admire Mitt for having a plan that includes getting ideas from BOTH parties.

    October 4, 2012 07:25 pm at 7:25 pm |
  7. Marie MD

    Exactly, now the Obama/Biden campaign have more ammunition (a fave word of the rethugs) to fight back.
    The twit lied about everything he has been saying for months.
    Speaking of sununu now is calling the President lazy and that he doesn't know how to be an American? Does sununu, who was born in Cuba, think he knows how to be an American?
    Anyone paying attention to the RNC and the voter fraud that they are doing themselves?

    October 4, 2012 07:39 pm at 7:39 pm |
  8. Gurgyl

    47%,47/50 job creation, Bain capital this tells all outsourcing... Be naive, strong, in politics it is so common... Good luck..

    October 4, 2012 08:57 pm at 8:57 pm |
  9. T'sah From Virginia

    MITTENS is a LIAR – No one wants a LIAR-IN-CHIEF!!! And, RobMe claimed that his son's lie too; i guess it takes one to know one. Hmm, and I wonder where they got it from!!!

    Obama 2012 – The Only Trusted Way Forward!!

    October 4, 2012 09:23 pm at 9:23 pm |
  10. Anybody else confused by Romney?

    How does Gov. Romney intend to pay for his $5 trillion tax cuts? Romney really may not know himself, which is a little scary.

    October 4, 2012 09:56 pm at 9:56 pm |
  11. Jay Dee

    Let me get this straight. Romney will kill Obamacare on day one. But later says he will keep some things in Obamacare like "Pre-existing conditions, kids until age 26, and a few others." But later says that he will turn healthcare over to individual states so they can regulate it to their own needs, like he did in Massachusetts. Do the citizens in Mass have a different need than the people of Pennsylvania or Nevada? Are the bodies in those states different? Maybe Nevada doesn't have cancers? Maybe PA bodies don't have heart attacks? Maybe neither state has autistic children? Of course, those kids are all located in Mississippi. The other thing is; If Romney turns the healthcare over to individual states, how can he regulate it when it becomes a state issue for pre-existing conditions and kids at age 26? Will big government intervene again?

    The jobs issue: They claim that Obama didn't create more than 125,000 jobs while he was in office for four years. Their reasoning; 4 1/2 million jobs were lost during the banking collapse, and after the collapse, approximately 4.4 million jobs were restored, which gives a balance of approximately 125,000 jobs. The repugs would be right IF all the jobs lost were the same jobs restored. Unfortunately, the lost jobs were jobs lost during out of business movements. They were not restored. The fair statement would be 4.5 million jobs were lost during the collapse, and 4.5 million different jobs were created. Give credit where credit is due.

    One last bone to pick; Romney stated he wants to bring the jobs and money that are overseas, back to America. I believe he should be the first one to act on this by closing his Swiss and Cayman Island accounts and putting his money in an American bank, as well as bring back the jobs he sent overseas. Of course, he can't and won't do that because the jobs would be credited to Obama's count and his money would be taxed.

    October 4, 2012 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm |
  12. Howard

    Biden is going to defend Obama ??? ... Who is going to defend Biden ??? Biden and Obama both lie through their teeth ... and, both will say, or do ANYTHING to hold onto power.
    TO ALL YOU OBAMA STOOGES ... Your blind devotion to 'Dear Leader' ... your Fuhrer, is touching ... but it's time for you to leave the Obama cult. Defending Obama, who lost, and who can't loose like a good sport, just makes you ALL look like sore loosers. Obama was given a chance ... and, in the past 4 years, he has nearly destroyed America. NOW, it's time for Barack and Michelle to abdicate their throne, so Mitt Romney can begin repairing the excessive damage caused by Obama's terrible policies. Good bye Barack, Michelle, Nancy, Harry, Jarret, and Axelrod, and all the unelected czars ... and, GOOD RIDDANCE TO YOU ALL ... I'm sure you all will find another way to pick the pockets of hard working Americans !!!

    October 4, 2012 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm |
  13. Howard

    Biden is going to defend Obama ??? ... Who is going to defend Biden ??? Biden and Obama both lie through their teeth ... and, both will say, or do ANYTHING to hold onto power.

    October 4, 2012 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm |
  14. Obama is Toast

    BLAH BLAH BLAH......after Nov 6 we won't have to deal with Biden or Obama anymore. America will get it's Mojo back. y'all enjoy Barry's last few weeks in office....

    October 4, 2012 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm |
  15. jfrawley

    All I can say is that I am a middle class person and "$4 gas is killing the middle class" why doesn't obama get it. I am a Bill Clinton fan and will always be but Obama is doing nothing to get the cost of gas down. He just doesn't get it I hope Mitt does so Mr president I don't want to hear about your grand mother anymore we all have our stories and people who affected us in our life believe me I am one of 13 kids who's alcoholic dad left when I was 8 years old and I didn't grow up on food stamps I grew up on hard work and pride, my mother died a poor lady but always told us her wealth was in her kids.

    October 4, 2012 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm |
  16. ClearThinker

    Romney is an expert negotiator.
    He is a saavy and smart businessman.
    He has a proven track record.
    Biden is still looking for his last three brain cells.

    October 4, 2012 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm |
  17. Rick

    If you believe in what Romney says, I have a bridge to sell you.

    October 5, 2012 12:08 am at 12:08 am |
  18. Robert

    Are some Americans shortsighted? Romney is tricky, his character may get something done, but his character is not good as leader for the world, his leadership style will create a moral decline for America and the world in the long term. He is worse than Bush!!!!

    October 5, 2012 12:20 am at 12:20 am |
  19. bertha

    Romney is one of the biggest lair and a flip flop he will do and say any thing to get what he want. Now he care for the 47 precent. everything he wa s aganist now he is for. If people can not see through this man my opinion something is wrong. I cannot vote for anyone who cannot say how he will fix these problems.

    October 5, 2012 12:32 am at 12:32 am |
  20. GI Joe

    If President Obama had come back on Romney's lies, he would be labeled an angy black man - and you ALL know that. That was the point of Willard's little game.

    October 5, 2012 12:40 am at 12:40 am |
  21. GI Joe

    Romney even agitated Jim Lehrer. What a JERK. Do you REALLY want him on the world stage? I don't.

    October 5, 2012 12:41 am at 12:41 am |
  22. JS

    Biden is the BEST weapon on the team– the Romney Ryan team. There is NO person on earth dumber than Joe Biden

    October 5, 2012 12:53 am at 12:53 am |
  23. Reynaldo

    Did any one pay attention to romney as he spoke, about those over 60 refering to ss retirement.

    it was only about 5 second remark, he claim they have nothing to worry.

    What about those under 60, (59-58-57-56-55), near retirement ?

    What are his plans for all of us, he did not say.

    Should we worry? I think so.


    October 5, 2012 01:00 am at 1:00 am |
  24. ram

    John Berman's "independent fact-checking" is extremely questionable at best. In the debate (the real substance of which has been completely deluged in nonsensical discussions of debating style, as if we were talking about some high school debating contest), the President made it very clear that he understood Romney's claim to be able to offset the 5 trillion dollars by closing loopholes, but he questioned the supposition that there could be enough loopholes to prevent drastic cuts to budgets such as that of education. Sorry, CNN, but the fact is that Mr. Berman's statement is no less biased and obviously false than Romney's own claims. If this is fact-checking, who needs lies?

    October 5, 2012 01:07 am at 1:07 am |
  25. Madeleine

    I am flabbergasted when reading most of these silly comments and observing circus like events leading up to your election.
    Does the average American really realize the dire straits your country is in , the high and increasing unemployment , deficits everywhere and an ever increasing national debt , which China holds a big chunk of it.
    These are serious and troublesome situations.
    Yet here you are , instead of having a responsible and fact finding discussion , you resort to disrespectful and childish name calling and spew forth utter drivel.
    I watched last night's debate and was impressed by Mitt Romney , at least he is looking at a new way to get the country back on track .
    Obama has Socialist/Marxist ideas and show me one country that has ever done well under a socialist regime.
    Having the right and freedom to vote is precious and should be viewed as such.

    October 5, 2012 02:33 am at 2:33 am |
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