Rick Perry doesn't support secession petition on White House website
November 13th, 2012
10:28 AM ET
6 years ago

Rick Perry doesn't support secession petition on White House website

(CNN) – An appeal calling on the federal government to allow Texas to "withdraw from the United States of America" following President Barack Obama's re-election doesn't have the support of the Lone Star State's governor, his office said in a statement Tuesday.

"Gov. [Rick] Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," his press secretary Catherine Frazier wrote in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."

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The petition, which had received nearly 65,000 signatures by mid-morning Tuesday, cites continuing "economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending" as the reason for the proposed secession.

"Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," asserts the petition, which appears on a section of the White House website called "We the People: Your Voice in our Government."

The section was designed to allow citizens to voice their concerns and desires for the federal government, and stipulates that if a petition gets enough support, "White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."

The threshold for eliciting a White House response is 25,000 signatures within 30 days, meaning the Texas secession appeal has surpassed the requirements for official administration comment. None has yet been forthcoming.

The fine print notes the White House "may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition."

A host of other states have similar petitions on the "We the People" section of the White House website, including South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Alaska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming, California, Ohio, New York, Delaware, Nevada and Arizona.

None of those petitions were close to the 25,000-signature requirement for a White House comment.

Other petitions on the website take the opposite tack: an appeal to "strip the citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them" had just over 1,000 signatures on Tuesday.

While Perry's statement Tuesday pushed back against a possible move to secede, the Lone Star governor has expressed support for such a shift in the past.

Speaking to an energetic and angry tea party crowd in Austin in 2009, Perry suggested secession may happen in the future should the federal government not change its fiscal polices.

"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."

During his run for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, Perry clarified that he never used the word "secession."

Texas, America's second biggest state in area and population, was its own nation for 10 years before joining the United States in 1845.

In the statement from Perry's office Tuesday, Texas is held an example for the rest of the nation for its fiscal responsibility.

"Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper," the statement read.

CNN's Alex Mooney contributed to this report.

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soundoff (127 Responses)
  1. Ancient Texan

    Rudy NYC- Sorry, Perry NEVER said he was for secedeing from the Union, he said he could see why some were talking about it. Texas is spending billions patrolling the Border with local law enforcement, The Department of Public Safety, And the Texas Rangers doing what the Obama administration refuses to do.

    November 13, 2012 11:45 am at 11:45 am |
  2. The Real Tom Paine

    -Rudy NYC


    Most people there probably fear the Latinos taking over Texas and we have all seen how bad the Latino countries manage their affairs, how bad people live, how they have no regard for the laws and they fear Texas will become another Latino country atmosphere.
    Brilliant. Secede from the US, because you're afraid of Latinos, and leave yourself undefended along the Mexican border that Texas claims it cannot defend without help from DC. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

    The election proved that most voters are more afraid of the right wing than they are afraid of Pres. Obama.
    myviewis does not seem to understand that Romney and his ilk would have made us into a banana republic: remember the 9/9/9 plan and all its variants? Iit was based on the tax code of Chile. Case closed, the righties lose. Again.

    November 13, 2012 11:46 am at 11:46 am |
  3. Ancient Texan

    Big Tex- VERY well stated. We had to put up with 100 years of Democrat gerrymandering and ballot box stuffing prior to Ronald Reagan and the "awakening" that he brought to America.

    November 13, 2012 11:48 am at 11:48 am |
  4. Va Voter

    The last idiots to try this included Texas. They lost in 1865, and the federal government didn't have tanks, aircraft, or nuclear weapons then. A Texas rebellion would last about a week – that's about how long it would take for the rest of the country to bomb or overrun the hayseeds back into line.

    The petition should be ignored. If the organizers do anything more active, they should be charged with treason, and if convicted, hanged.

    November 13, 2012 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  5. Sniffit

    "Texas is spending billions patrolling the Border with local law enforcement, The Department of Public Safety, And the Texas Rangers doing what the Obama administration refuses to do."

    Obama has more troops and technology, including the drones, on the border than has ever been there. It costs money. If you claim that the billions TX itself is spending are still ineffective, despite all the help from the federal gov't, then I'd suggest you rethink what would happen if TX was to be responsible for it all by its lonesome. If TX secedes, you might as well pick up your copy of Rosetta Stone for Spanish now, before the rush causes the price to spike. "For English, press two."

    November 13, 2012 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  6. Chuck

    Let them GO PLEASE.

    November 13, 2012 11:53 am at 11:53 am |
  7. Sniffit

    Had never been there bfore, but that petition website actually has some reasonable and practical petitions on it, not just idiocy like this secession stuff (which, of course, is the only time the MSM has seen fit to pay any attention to it...after all, there's nothing the MSM lkes more than trivializing and poisoning civic participation). I'd encourage people to go check it out and participate.

    November 13, 2012 11:54 am at 11:54 am |
  8. ABarker

    I find it interesting that liberals and democrats feel they are entitled to their opinion and so is everyone – entitled to the lib/dem opinion that is. When others think for themselves, it causes you to have an apoplectic fit as evidenced by the inane chatter I see above.

    November 13, 2012 11:56 am at 11:56 am |
  9. GI Joe

    I'm gonna sign the petition for all the red states that want to leave. They suck the economy dry by taking more than they ever pay into anything - including infrastructure and schools. Let them go. They are all leeches.

    November 13, 2012 11:57 am at 11:57 am |
  10. Facts don't Lie

    Want to know what some of the attitudes here in Texas are like? When they were trying to establish a voter ID law down here college student IDs would NOT be accepted but if you had a gun or hunting license that WAS accepted. Shows you how being formally educated is acknowledged by some down here.

    November 13, 2012 11:58 am at 11:58 am |
  11. Jim Bob

    I wish they would go and take most of the old Confederacy with them. The U.S. collective IQ would jump 100 points instantly.

    November 13, 2012 11:58 am at 11:58 am |
  12. ST

    Always pray NOT to become desperate. It is a very bad disease. Hello Texas, why didn't you collect signatures before the election to let people know that you are serious. Cool your heads down and you will heal election aftermath as the time goes on.

    November 13, 2012 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  13. faen

    I left the U.S. last summer, International transfer in Non U.S. currency. 401k is next to transfer. I support Texas in leaving. The only handout I took was a 500 dollar pell grant and an earned GI Bill from the military. Some people cannot get off the handouts. Many people never needed the government, but the government has always needed us that create jobs and pay the taxes. The U.S. is not the same country that so many of my family fought for in WW2.

    November 13, 2012 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  14. Rebecca

    Tom, if you had read it I would not need to point you in the right direction, so read it... which was my point, you have not. You voted on an issue you have no clue about....

    November 13, 2012 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  15. Rebecca

    Funny how freedom of speech is "treason" people better get used to it, as that is the direction of the Obama administation, and clearly its supporters.

    November 13, 2012 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm |
  16. California Gary

    Sure let them pull out. Then we can cut all those federal resources that go into Texas.....like all those border patrolmen.....and we won't have to send federal aid for their next hurricane and/or wildfire attack. That would really help us with the federal budget, as Texas is a big draw on it. Cut 'em loose!

    November 13, 2012 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm |
  17. DENTIST#1

    Let them leave if they want. Then they could create their own health care insurance to help the millions in Texas with missing teeth.

    November 13, 2012 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm |
  18. rick from Texas

    I live in Texas and this bizarre subject just came up in conversation. Amazing how uh lets say unintelligible people are down here(I'm originally from Pennsylvania) . So I ask this prson who thought secession was a great idea, "how do you plan on defending yourself because you know that would mean you lose the US military for protection. Their answer: (swear to god) "people never have tried to attack us before why would we need to worry about a military." ........and these people vote !!!!

    November 13, 2012 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm |
  19. Rudy NYC

    Ancient Texan

    Rudy NYC- Sorry, Perry NEVER said he was for secedeing from the Union, he said he could see why some were talking about it.
    Yes, he did. Perry stood on the steps of what I believe was the Texas state house and declared his support for secession. Too bad the moderators won't let us post links. I'm sure that it's on this web site, on the Political Ticker blog at that. If their calender tool were not so inefficient, I'd find the date for you.

    November 13, 2012 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm |
  20. offCenter

    I don't think this is treason just a really poor decision. If you want to leave ok, but don't expect to keep those nice federally built/maintained bridges and highways and ports. You may no longer be in love with the country but the divorce is going to be really expensive.

    November 13, 2012 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm |
  21. George

    Isn't amazing that the people calling for this secession come from states that recieve more federal dollars than they pay in taxes?
    They are the freeloading 47%ers!
    We should let them go!
    That's what comes when your states are at the very bottom of academic achievement,because they want to destroy the teachers' union. dumbies.

    November 13, 2012 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm |
  22. Duffy

    Ask Texas how that withdrawing from the union work for them 1861.

    November 13, 2012 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm |
  23. Rudy NYC

    @ Ancient Texan. An article is posted right here on the Political Ticker blog dated April 16, 2009 11:56 am, discussing Gov. Rick Perry's support for the idea for seceding from the US if the US did not change fiscal policies.

    November 13, 2012 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  24. Pete

    Perry being smart for once not wanting sucession.All these red states get more in assistence from the federal government than turn over in state revenues and they'd drown in debt within months if they did withdraw like they want..These ignorents want less taxes but advocate more assistence in federal programs,isn't that a form of redistribution of wealth or socialism being the blue states give more to federal than the red but the red absorbs more of federal assistence with paying less..Is my math wrong or are red states the ones that just lost the election,the states who praise Norquists tax cuts but cry for more in federal assistence killing this country and maybe if they do suceed we as a new nation would benefit from these ignorent rednecks as well leaving,more money in our pockets I would think because you're not taking care of these dead beat states right!!No more supposid socialism,no more redistribution of wealth right and you'd see within months states crying for help because as I said before they'd be drowning in debt or eliminating programs to keep afloat or God help us raising taxes to keep these programs,the choice is yours,stay with us and suceed or go it alone and drown in debt!!Your republicans math stinks because you can't do it alone,its like Romneys math because it doesn't add up!!

    November 13, 2012 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |

    reactions were much stronger than i thought -well, CNN Wolf Blitzer DID say on election night that we were witnessing historical times - did Wolf know or at least suspect just HOW historical when he said it? Good instinct at the very least, Wolfie! 😉

    November 13, 2012 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm |
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