Rick Perry doesn't support secession petition on White House website
November 13th, 2012
10:28 AM ET
6 years ago

Rick Perry doesn't support secession petition on White House website

(CNN) – An appeal calling on the federal government to allow Texas to "withdraw from the United States of America" following President Barack Obama's re-election doesn't have the support of the Lone Star State's governor, his office said in a statement Tuesday.

"Gov. [Rick] Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," his press secretary Catherine Frazier wrote in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."

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The petition, which had received nearly 65,000 signatures by mid-morning Tuesday, cites continuing "economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending" as the reason for the proposed secession.

"Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," asserts the petition, which appears on a section of the White House website called "We the People: Your Voice in our Government."

The section was designed to allow citizens to voice their concerns and desires for the federal government, and stipulates that if a petition gets enough support, "White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."

The threshold for eliciting a White House response is 25,000 signatures within 30 days, meaning the Texas secession appeal has surpassed the requirements for official administration comment. None has yet been forthcoming.

The fine print notes the White House "may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition."

A host of other states have similar petitions on the "We the People" section of the White House website, including South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Alaska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming, California, Ohio, New York, Delaware, Nevada and Arizona.

None of those petitions were close to the 25,000-signature requirement for a White House comment.

Other petitions on the website take the opposite tack: an appeal to "strip the citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them" had just over 1,000 signatures on Tuesday.

While Perry's statement Tuesday pushed back against a possible move to secede, the Lone Star governor has expressed support for such a shift in the past.

Speaking to an energetic and angry tea party crowd in Austin in 2009, Perry suggested secession may happen in the future should the federal government not change its fiscal polices.

"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."

During his run for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, Perry clarified that he never used the word "secession."

Texas, America's second biggest state in area and population, was its own nation for 10 years before joining the United States in 1845.

In the statement from Perry's office Tuesday, Texas is held an example for the rest of the nation for its fiscal responsibility.

"Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper," the statement read.

CNN's Alex Mooney contributed to this report.

Filed under: Rick Perry • Texas • White House
soundoff (127 Responses)
  1. Rudy NYC

    The White House set up the public petition mechanism to get serious and honest feedback from the People so that their concerns can be discussed before the Congress. I can tell you what is going to happen to ALL of these secession petitions. The White House is going to say that it is outside of their jurisdiction.

    If you want to secede from the US, then the action begins with your own state house not the White House. That should be the gist of any White House response. There's little or nothing the Whtie House or the Congress can do initiate secession of particular state, short of declaring war on that state.

    November 13, 2012 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm |
  2. lolo

    Let them go on and do it. The hatred is eating these people alive. They can keep the oil too, because once those good old boys finish with selling it to the highest bidder they will be begging to get back in. Such hypocits.

    November 13, 2012 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  3. Anonymous

    This isn't about some stupid election. It's a fundamental disagreement with the direction the country is headed. The United States no longer stands for the values it was founded on.

    November 13, 2012 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  4. Are you kidding me?

    Newsflash- every person who signed it is racist and need to get over the fact that our president has won a second term. If they so not like it – mode out o the country and give up everything the US government would give you ... No social security or Medicare.

    This faction of the US disgusts me.

    November 13, 2012 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  5. Mukudi

    And would they automatically lose United States Citizenship? And how about the other millions of Texans who may wish to retain membership in THIS THE UNITED STATES? Do they not have a right to have their own "we do not want to secede petition, as this is only one view of the people of the state of Texas- they should start their own petition too on the White House website so that their views are also represented in this Democracy.
    CBO should be working on the “debt obligation for Texas and Commerce” (including obligations arising from befits of membership in the GREATER NATION- The United States of America’s federally funded corporate welfarism and safety-nets for households over the years), immigration and the Supreme Court should get busy drafting modalities for those who may want to leave the "Free Texas" and come and live and work in the United States of America. Ditto for the corporations that would not want to live in "Free State of Texas" – just curious what would be the name of this hypothetical country?

    November 13, 2012 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  6. Dominican mama 4 Obama


    Most people there probably fear the Latinos taking over Texas and we have all seen how bad the Latino countries manage their affairs, how bad people live, how they have no regard for the laws
    Where exactly are you from? Poland, Turkey, somewhere in Africa, China, Korea North or South, one of the Russian states, or just a state of constant stupidity?
    You sound like one of those in-bred, uneducated, never-left-the-farm racists in the deep, deeo south, and definitely not like the newly-minted American citizen you claim to be.
    Once an immigrant ALWAYS an immigrant.

    November 13, 2012 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  7. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    Neither Texas nor any of the other Red states on that list (Ohio? I guess the prerequisite is to have a Republican Governor) is going ANYWHERE.
    They like to suckle from the teat they love to hate too much.

    November 13, 2012 01:08 pm at 1:08 pm |
  8. v_mag

    I'm pretty sure that Austin would vote to stay in the union. Maybe we'll do something like they did with Berlin after the Big War and separate it into East and West, with the western portion connected to West Germany via train line.

    So, Travis County will have a road that will connect it to New Mexico and remain part of the union. Then we'll build a nice high wall around the county, put razor wire on top, and never have to talk to those stinky people from Houston or Dallas again. That would be fine with most of us here.

    November 13, 2012 01:09 pm at 1:09 pm |
  9. Marie MD

    @donna, "we need to think about what these petitions say to all of us. This is not about any rethug issue. Look deeper, everyone". You silly fool LOL
    We don't have to look that deep to find hatred and racism abounds for a few Americans. Those who sign these stupid petitions need to be rounded up and moved to some uninhabitable island (with no game) to fend for themselves. There will be plenty of guns so as soon as you take care of those NOT like you can go hunting the rest of the fools who thought our country needed to be taken back. This is called cleansing of the stupid gens pool.

    November 13, 2012 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  10. nothing new here

    And it is projected, that in less than 10 years from now, Texas may be a "purple state".
    So yes, I can see why these people are in a hurry to secede!

    November 13, 2012 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  11. norma jean

    THE NEWS MEDIA NOTED THAT SEVERAL SOUTHERN STATES HAD MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF SECESSION.... I TRUST THEY REALIZE THIS MEANS they would have no help of any kind from our government and they would be strickly on their own.... this could prove disastrous if hit as the East coast was last month........i'm quite sure they will think about this for a long time and then it will not be heard of agaiin !!!!

    November 13, 2012 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  12. modesto jim

    Frustration with the federal government?? – give me a break – I suspect the vast majority of the petitioners are either closet or outright racists who can't stomach having a black man in the presidency. The rest may be tea baggers. You think Romney garnered the white male vote majority only because they thought he would improve the economy/job situation? Dream on! I suspect about 10% would never vote for a minority but no one in the press would dare touch this subject. Sounds like a good subject for an academic study.

    November 13, 2012 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  13. fekt

    Cave in to less than 0.02% of the population of the state. I'm guessing less than that actually as I imagine as the party of voter fraud they have no problem with petition fraud when it suits their needs, but I digress. The economy of Texas is in large part due to a direct contrast in reality from the GOP's assertion that government doesn't create jobs. I suggest you move all the Aerospace, Aviation, and Defense jobs we currently fund at the federal level to Ohio. We'll glady accept these jobs for our citizens and our country. You may feel free to shut down all military bases as well and move those men women and resources to some of the other states who still have some patriotism and wish to see this union succeed. Then tell us about your budget.

    November 13, 2012 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  14. DumbasRocks [R]s

    inmyview, myviews, yourviews LOST last Tues....lost miserably. While it is fun to watch someone like yourself flail around and ignorantly continue to show your delusion as if the election did not happen, it has become tiresome now for the rest of us.

    You say "how can we afford to lose Texas?" I say how can we afford NOT to?!!! Financially it would be an overall gain to the fed. gov't. And, whatever Texas produces can also be produced elsewhere in this country, except for Texas' special proclivity in producing absolute numbskulls....but as you yourself show, the rest of the country can attempt to make up even for that.

    November 13, 2012 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  15. modesto jim

    Interesting tidbit about the south and where our tax dollars go – many of the southern states whose representatives and senators complain the most about government spending actually get dispropotionatly high amounts of US money – like Chris Christi said – New Jersey has been supporting a lot of other states for years.

    November 13, 2012 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  16. T_from_Bama

    Idk about right now being a good time to secede due to the turmoil in the Middle East and a possible war with Iran on its way, but eventually splitting up may be good for the country. The situation in the mid 1800's was very similar to today's situation; the north and south went different directions. Industrialism boomed in the North and Agrarianism stayed in the South. Today, Liberalism is booming in (especially) the N.E. states and the West coast, and the South and most of the mid-west remain conservative. Each are just holding each other back from accomplishing what they want to do.. it's obvious that the Blue states don't want the Red states and vice versa. Perhaps it may be best if one day we went our separate ways. It would make a good socio-political experiment, as a certain concentrated political ideology could be observed in an almost pure state in each Union, and may swade one or the other to accept a different way of life.. or perhaps they would find that they're happier without each other and leave it at that. I say split but remain allies. The South and any other "Confederate" states that joined would be okay, as the conditions are better today than they were 150 years ago. Modern technology has set foot down here and there's plenty of manufacturing in Texas and Georgia to become self sufficient. It would be tough for both Unions at first, but each would manage once they got things figured out and going.

    November 13, 2012 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  17. anagram_kid

    Donna wrote – Our country is supposed to be a democracy, and executive orders continually, and blatantly signed in opposition to the majority of Americans votes is not, in any form, a democracy.
    I just laugh at these posters that are so utterly clueless and don’t understand that we are a Republic, not a Democracy. And that Constitution she is so fond of denied her right to vote in its original form. Perhaps she should look a bit deeper herself…

    November 13, 2012 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  18. El Flaco

    It is not Constitutionally possible for a state to secede from the union. We settled that in 1865. I am an American citizen living in Texas. I have Constitutional rights. Forcing me to leave my home or live in The People's Republic of Texas violates my rights and the rights of every other patriot.

    November 13, 2012 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  19. scott

    This country is heading for a civil war, if things do not approves we will see it happen. A large amount of people are tired of the direction of this country. Unemployment will rise as more companies layoff or go to part time workers to avoid paying for Obama care. Compaines will go broke, people will be romaning the streets looking for food and items they cannot afford and will be willing to take it . America as we know it is gone, Obama and his cronies have done more to hurt this country in four years then all the war combined. Obama is an enemy of the State.

    November 13, 2012 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  20. Michael

    I would just like to say that I would like to have a chance to speek with Obama (Democratic Party) and Romney (Republican Party) and tell them to put the Parties aside and get together and get these problems solved as AMERICANS. I have ideas on how to solve alot of the issues our country is facing but I nobody to them all i need is a chance.

    November 13, 2012 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  21. B.

    Mr Perry, I don’t think that you have that exactly right about the Washington"Thumbing its’ nose at Americans", just take a look at the real Election results, if you can remember to do it...

    November 13, 2012 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  22. WhereIsPalin

    Secede, keep Perry and Paul, and enjoy trying to maintain your position as 15th largest economy in the world.

    November 13, 2012 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  23. Mell4all

    already Louisiana, Florida, Texas have surpassed the threshold for a response from the white house. Hundreds of thousands of petitions have been file for more than 30 states already. At this pace, it will reach more than a million in a few days.. and millions more. Its the overall direction of the country that is divisive. Let each state have their independent laws and borders. I have no objections. Let them be free.

    November 13, 2012 01:37 pm at 1:37 pm |
  24. Annoyed

    And there goes the race card! FYI its not about race, grow up please. Im sure this was coming no matter who got elected.

    November 13, 2012 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  25. IndepEnergy

    So....what Sheik or appointed front man will run your country?

    November 13, 2012 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
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