Washington (CNN) - Is it a slow leak that will grow into a cascade, or a minor drip easily plugged?
More and more, conservative Republicans in Congress are breaking from a pledge they signed years earlier against any kind of tax increase or additional tax revenue.
OK, Grover. Your 15 minutes are up. Time to go back to Sesame Street.
The fact that we have the GOP even considering it means a great deal, mostly that they don't care any more. Sticking w/ Norquist's pledge did nothing for them this last election, and to be honest they need to distance themselves from this man. He is within his right to have his organization work against GOP members up for re-election, but anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells will know it's all bogus.
In essence, Norquist has shot himself in the foot and is no longer relevant to the GOP. May the tide keep on rolling over this self-appointed guardian of peoples taxes. He does not represent me at all.
Most of the right wing resistance to the pledge is in the Senate. I can't think of one right wing member of the House who has disavowed the pledge so far. It's Boehner's job to persuade his caucus, not Pres. Obama.
And Grover Dorquist is going around claiming that nobody is caving and renouncing his pledge. I think he was present in Rome in Nero's time, and when the question was asked whether anyone could smell something burning, the smoke-enveloped Grover replied that he could smell nothing.
The smarter rats are jumping ship....soon the even more numerous dim-witted ones will be 'converting', and the water will be alive with [R] rats all swimming for cover.
Treason, and should be handled accordingly. Managing the taxes and tax rate is part of the responsibility of Congress to maintain a stable country. To make unelected parties pledges and hand cuff elected law makers is unlawful. those that push such agendas with promises and threat need to be attended to.
Don't be fooled. Republicans are just trying to sound reasonable so that they can later put forward unreasonable spending cuts. and lay claim to "we tried to compromise, even yielding on tax increases." Please note, they haven't raised taxes at all. It's all about posturing themselves for more false indignation.
McCain and the rest of Republican Congressmen are VERY eager to do what's best for the American people, and remain "wide open minded" to questioning all Obama nominees for various cabinet-level posts UNDER OATH - in fact, there are probably HUNDREDS of Team Obama members that the GOP would plan on questioning within the next coming weeks under oath "to do what's best for the American people." Obama has absolutely nothing to fear.
Somebody needs to start an anti-Norquist pledge.
These pledges are to Norquist and Norquist alone. He has failed to produce a shred of evidence or documentation that people in a state or district have asked him to get people to sign this kind of pledge.
They should have not signed the pledge in the first place. I don't have any sympathy for those that did. Come 2014, they're butts are getting tossed out of Congress.
ATTENTION GOP: YOU DON'T WORK FOR GROVER NORQUIST, YOU WORK FOR US!!!
I'm not convinced that you guys don't share Grover's sentiment. You have proven that you're the party of the 1%. What have you done for the middle class lately except hold us hostage just so you can keep your tax cuts.
@Rudy NYC – oh you know their game so well! LOL The biggest war mongers and tax cheats in the countrywho sold their souls to Grover are the first in line at the Hypocrite Lounge with the whining and indignation. They are quickly becoming a pathetic cocktail joke for all their fake patriotism. The flag they pledge allegience too has dollar signs not stars and stripes.
The pledge is 20 years old, my God, what was the tax rate when it was signed. Heck, maybe we have room to go back to the 20 year old tax rate and everyone gets what they want. I saw a diagram of the pain caused if the Bush Taxes go away and the bar of pain for upper earners was three times the lower levels. Has anyone posted just how much tax reduction was afforded the upper income bracket with the Bush Cuts? It appers to have been unfairly split when it was enacted.
Its' math, plain an simple: the math of the budget and the math of political reality. They want to solve the problem by any means possible, and they also want to keep their jobs. Some will lose their seats, but they will have lost them for the right reason.
does anybody know just how large the federal goverment wants to get? it is at $3.5 trillion now and we can only afford to pay for two thirds of it, borrowing the rest. what happens when it grows to $4 trillion or $5 trillion, because it will. where is all this money going to come from? there aren't enough rich people in the universe to pay for all this goverment. what is in place to keep the goverment from consuing the entire gdp of this country? liberals? leftists? you answer please.
The federal government is an inanimate object. It doesn't "want" anything. In case you haven't noticed, it has shrunk considerably since Mr. Obama came into office, and is smaller, and more cost effective than it was under Mr. Bush. The problem has been the "Cut taxes and Spend" Republicans, who dropped tax rates to the lowest in 60 years, then set up two simultaneous 10 year long wars. Mind you, at no time in history did anyone do that. The predicable result is what you see now- a fat (but slowly shrinking deficit and a big debt. It is now time to pay that debt, and returning to the Clinton era tax rates makes sense- next in line is cutting the most bloated part of the federal budget- Defense. Then perhaps it is time to examine the Bush-era nation-building projects for cancellation.
calamity jane wrote:
Somebody needs to start an anti-Norquist pledge.
Someone already has. The same web site used by some groups to file petitions for the state's secession, has petitions addressing pledges, and Norquist's pledge in particular.
This is the best thing the GOP can do. It shows they are capable of thinking about the better good of all and willing to work with Democrats to find a solution instead of stubbornly clinging to a promise that is practically impossible to keep. That pledge was just pre-election bs anyway, IMO. Maybe if they give a little the Dems will give a little and then we might find a workable solution to save our economy from going into a freefall. Maybe, just maybe they can pull our butts out of the fire. I can't believe I'm saying this but..Good Job Republicans.
the more people know about 'ol Grover, the more, and more people will know that he's not an elected leader, and the more this is played out in the News, more & more people will know he's nothing but a "Lobbyist"
Most of the Republicans angst was not that Christie helped Obama it was because Christie was not the Candidate. Christie would have been elected in a landslide if he were on the ticket. Both Democrats and Republicans know it. The Democrats are gushing over Christie mostly in relief!!
@ Just Sayin – how about asking an Indpendent ? If you go to www. us debt clock . org ( alltogether ) you will see that the us national debt is currently around 16 trillion, 290 hundred million – then take a look at the us gross domestic product – it is currently around 15 trillion, 485 hundred million – once the GDP number starts getting closer to the U S National Debt, (or rather starts going Faster than the us national debt) then this country is in trouble.
Color me unconvinced. They need a formalized repudiation of the pledge before I believe them....and the ONLY formalized repudiation of this disgusting pledge that I'll accept is for them to outright violate it by signing the legislation to expire the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. End of story. There's no discussion or debate or "interesting news" to be had here until that's done. Do it or don't do it at your own peril, GOPers/Teatrolls. You made your own beds and it's time to lie in them.
Poor Grover. It's been a bad couple of weeks for Sesame Street characters.
Is this the revealing of the GOP's "DEFACTO LEADER" Norquist who is now being ousted, who will replace him because certainly the GOP whimps in Congress aren't doing this on their own.
not buying it. until they come to the table with realistic dialog and not the usual GOP drivel, they're still out for themselves and their rich buddies
I wonder if the Democrats had signed a pledge to NEVER make any cuts in Medicare/Medicaide would have gone over with the GOP?